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May 29, 2023
Answering the Big Question: Ron or Don?
By Alicia Colon
A very dear friend and a former Heritage Foundation associate responded to my last column on American Thinker with the following:
Happy to tell you in a private email why the GOP needs to dump Trump (for whom I voted twice), but it requires too many bad words that would cause my dear late mother to go for the soap for use in a public forum. For starters, let's just say he's a thin-skinned, immature, undisciplined **shole who is ignorant by choice, erratic in his behavior, and disloyal. And those are some of his better points. Do I hate him? No. But I hate his type.
I dearly hope he’s still my dear friend after he reads my response:
I see your point, XXXX, but I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification.
This goes on
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/05/answering_the_big_question_ron_or_don.html
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@mystery-ak
I don't have a clue who Alicia Colon is,but I am beginning to like her.
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The friend is right.
'He's a megalomaniac, but he's OUR megalomaniac' is damn thin sauce.
Howabout NO megalomaniacs? That's more in line with what our country has always fought and died for.
And the martyr bit has always been thin to me - Most of it he brings on himself.
And what he did for this country... Pretty close to nothing lasting for the ages. We stand today with an empty hand.
The choice today is crystal clear.
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And the martyr bit has always been thin to me - Most of it he brings on himself.
We have witnessed seven years of proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against one man ---- and his supporters.
What, exactly, did Trump "bring on himself?
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We have witnessed seven years of proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against one man ---- and his supporters.
What, exactly, did Trump "bring on himself?
It's his shtick. He pisses everybody off. It's what he does. He's a chaos con.
It's no surprise he receives retaliation. And since he even has pissed off his own, no one is there to stand with him... Except for his adoring horde... Which is worthless in his defense, politically or legally.
Has he been treated badly? Sure. So has literally every other Republican president and governor and congressman and senator... Even those named McCain.
Has he been treated worse than most? Sure. But that is in large part due to his own confrontational style.
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It's his shtick. He pisses everybody off. It's what he does. He's a chaos con.
It's no surprise he receives retaliation.
Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like ---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.
You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.
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Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like [...]
Not at all - And I am on the record DEFENDING him in many cases.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with him, or, God forbid, vote for him.
Or be blind to his own culpability in his various and sundry dilemmas.
---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.
You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.
A GLARING false dichotomy wrapped in a juvenile insult... How predictable.
The logical course of which is:
If you ain't for Tumpy you are for, or with, 'Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.'
A ridiculous assertion that holds no weight.
A thousand times I have cried, "A pox on BOTH their houses." And it applies here.
I am with neither. BOTH sides are a stench in the nostrils.
And that is a perfectly valid position, and why you find me defending Conservatism rather than Republicans, and certainly in the main, rather than big.gov populist drama queen Tumpy.
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You already lost that argument @Right_in_Virginia (and other Trumpers here) when you state that Conservatives that can't find peace with Trump hump the legs of liberals. Shame on You.
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You already lost that argument @Right_in_Virginia (and other Trumpers here) when you state that Conservatives that can't find peace with Trump hump the legs of liberals. Shame on You.
It's all they've got.
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Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like ---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.
You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.
What in the heck does this even mean? Who is this person snuggling in bet with Obama, Clinton, et al? And how can someone be fascist and Conservative at the same time? The two philosophies are diametrically opposed. Geez.
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"I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification."
Works for me.
When one is drawing the most flak, it can reasonably be assumed that one is "over the target".
And never... NEVER... in my time of political awareness have I seen "a target" draw as much flak as does Mr. Trump.
That tells me sumthin'.
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What in the heck does this even mean? Who is this person snuggling in bet with Obama, Clinton, et al? And how can someone be fascist and Conservative at the same time? The two philosophies are diametrically opposed. Geez.
C'mon Man! Don't you know if you string a bunch of words, ridiculous accusations, insults and slurs together you have a whining :silly: argument.
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You already lost that argument @Right_in_Virginia (and other Trumpers here) when you state that Conservatives that can't find peace with Trump hump the legs of liberals. Shame on You.
@corbe @Right_in_Virginia
Corbe is right. Those who can't find peace with the left,get THEIR legs,and everywhere else,"humped by the left".
BTW,there is nothing not ever the SLIGHTEST bit "liberal" about Fascists,so quit calling them "liberals".
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FWIW, which isn't much, If Trump would shut up with the insulting names and run on his own victories he could have a winning platform.
All the man has to do is list his successful EOs that were shut down or copycatted by Biden.
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@corbe @Right_in_Virginia
Corbe is right. Those who can't find peace with the left,get THEIR legs,and everywhere else,"humped by the left".
@sneakypete
That ain't what @corbe said.
BTW,there is nothing not ever the SLIGHTEST bit "liberal" about Fascists,so quit calling them "liberals".
To the contrary, most of the tyranny in our lifetime has come from fascism, and very definitely from socialists or communists (read 'liberals' here today)
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FWIW, which isn't much, If Trump would shut up with the insulting names and run on his own victories he could have a winning platform.
All the man has to do is list his successful EOs that were shut down or copycatted by Biden.
@berdie
Yeah,but if he did that,he wouldn't be Trump. We NEED a "verbal bomb thrower" in the WH to wake everybody up to what has been going on.
ESPECIALLY one that can only serve one term and has nothing to lose.
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"I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification."
Works for me.
When one is drawing the most flak, it can reasonably be assumed that one is "over the target".
And never... NEVER... in my time of political awareness have I seen "a target" draw as much flak as does Mr. Trump.
@Fishrrman
Me,either. ESPECIALLY not from his own party,that has history of either loser,or running a "Dim Lite Candidate". How the HELL are you supposed to get any of that "change" you keep claiming you want if you keep voting for the "the usual suspect"?
That tells me sumthin'.
Yup!
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I personally am not deciding until the AZ Presidential Preference poll in February or March.
This is my way, I am not a bandwagon chaser. I don't see how I can check the box for Trump this time.
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I personally am not deciding until the AZ Presidential Preference poll in February or March.
This is my way, I am not a bandwagon chaser. I don't see how I can check the box for Trump this time.
Right. I am trying like crazy to avoid this crap for at least a YEAR... Sometimes the bullsh*t is so deep I have to say something. :shrug: :whistle:
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Right. I am trying like crazy to avoid this crap for at least a YEAR... Sometimes the bullsh*t is so deep I have to say something. :shrug: :whistle:
The Trump zealots are making it easy for me. Every time they come in here and begin spreading lies, it pushes me even further away from Trump.
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The Trump zealots are making it easy for me. Every time they come in here and begin spreading lies, it pushes me even further away from Trump.
Maybe a 'for Dummies Trumpsters' edition of this:
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:shrug: :cool:
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Maybe a 'for Dummies Trumpsters' edition of this:
(https://kbimages1-a.akamaihd.net/fd0e5df3-b3b1-4ed7-abda-1518bc2bc464/1200/1200/False/how-to-win-friend-and-influence-people.jpg)
:shrug: :cool:
Well here's the problem with that, and it starts with Trump.
Dale Carnegie's 30 Principles To Win Friends & Influence People
1. Don't Criticize, Condemn or Complain
2. Give Honest, Sincere, Appreciation
3. Arouse In The Other Person An Eager Want
4. Become Genuinely Interested In Other People
5. Smile
6. Remember That A Person's Name Is To That Person The Sweetest And Most Important Sound In Any Language
7. Be A Good Listener. Encourage Others To Talk About Themselves
8. Talk In Terms Of The Other Person's Interests
9. Make The Other Person Feel Important - And Do It Sincerely
10. The Only Way To Get The Best Of An Argument Is To Avoid It
11. Show Respect For The Other Person's Opinion. Never Say, "You're Wrong."
12. If You Are Wrong Admit It Quickly And Emphatically
13. Begin In A Friendly Manner
14. Get The Other Person Saying "Yes, Yes"
15. Let The Other Person Do A Great Deal Of The Talking
16. Let The Other Person Feel That The Idea Is His Or Hers
17. Try Honestly To See Things From The Other Person's Point Of View
18. Be Sympathetic With The Other Person's Ideas And Desires
19. Appeal To The Nobler Motives
20. Dramatize Your Ideas
21. Throw Down A Challenge
22. Begin With Praise And Honest Appreciation
23. Call Attention To People's Mistakes Indirectly
24. Talk About Your Own Mistakes Before Criticizing The Other Person
25. Ask Questions Instead Of Giving Direct Orders
26. Let The Other Person Save Face
27. Praise The Slightest Improvement And Praise Every Improvement. Be "Hearty In Your Approbation And Lavish In Your Praise".
28. Give The Other Person A Fine Reputation To Live Up To
29. Use Encouragement. Make The Fault Seem Easy To Correct
30. Make The Other Person Happy About Doing The Thing You Suggest
I'm not sure how many of these Trump ever follows, but it sure is easy to pick the ones he fails at. :silly: :silly: File it under when your ego is so big that you keep tripping over it.
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The Trump zealots are making it easy for me. Every time they come in here and begin spreading lies, it pushes me even further away from Trump.
@Hoodat
You must be a VERY sensitive fellow,because I THINK there might be MAYBE 4 or 5 hardcore Trump supporters posting here,and a whole damn PACK of DeSantis lunatics.
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Well here's the problem with that, and it starts with Trump.
Dale Carnegie's 30 Principles To Win Friends & Influence People
1. Don't Criticize, Condemn or Complain
2. Give Honest, Sincere, Appreciation
3. Arouse In The Other Person An Eager Want
4. Become Genuinely Interested In Other People
5. Smile
6. Remember That A Person's Name Is To That Person The Sweetest And Most Important Sound In Any Language
7. Be A Good Listener. Encourage Others To Talk About Themselves
8. Talk In Terms Of The Other Person's Interests
9. Make The Other Person Feel Important - And Do It Sincerely
10. The Only Way To Get The Best Of An Argument Is To Avoid It
11. Show Respect For The Other Person's Opinion. Never Say, "You're Wrong."
12. If You Are Wrong Admit It Quickly And Emphatically
13. Begin In A Friendly Manner
14. Get The Other Person Saying "Yes, Yes"
15. Let The Other Person Do A Great Deal Of The Talking
16. Let The Other Person Feel That The Idea Is His Or Hers
17. Try Honestly To See Things From The Other Person's Point Of View
18. Be Sympathetic With The Other Person's Ideas And Desires
19. Appeal To The Nobler Motives
20. Dramatize Your Ideas
21. Throw Down A Challenge
22. Begin With Praise And Honest Appreciation
23. Call Attention To People's Mistakes Indirectly
24. Talk About Your Own Mistakes Before Criticizing The Other Person
25. Ask Questions Instead Of Giving Direct Orders
26. Let The Other Person Save Face
27. Praise The Slightest Improvement And Praise Every Improvement. Be "Hearty In Your Approbation And Lavish In Your Praise".
28. Give The Other Person A Fine Reputation To Live Up To
29. Use Encouragement. Make The Fault Seem Easy To Correct
30. Make The Other Person Happy About Doing The Thing You Suggest
I'm not sure how many of these Trump ever follows, but it sure is easy to pick the ones he fails at. :silly: :silly: File it under when your ego is so big that you keep tripping over it.
@GtHawk
Well,if you want to win friends,the way to do that is to be a polite politician that is just like every other politician and not make any waves.
The way to effect change is CLEARLY to keep doing what you have been doing most of your life,and continue to vote for the guy just like the last guy that lost.
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What, exactly, did Trump "bring on himself?
Himself. A walking talking lying POS. But then that is why you like him.
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Well here's the problem with that, and it starts with Trump.
Dale Carnegie's 30 Principles To Win Friends & Influence People
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I'm not sure how many of these Trump ever follows, but it sure is easy to pick the ones he fails at. :silly: :silly: File it under when your ego is so big that you keep tripping over it.
Heh... Yeah... Might take a little fine tunin'. :silly:
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@GtHawk
Well,if you want to win friends,the way to do that is to be a polite politician that is just like every other politician and not make any waves.
The way to effect change is CLEARLY to keep doing what you have been doing most of your life,and continue to vote for the guy just like the last guy that lost.
@sneakypete
Your arguments might matter if Tumpy effected any change... OTHER THAN growing government and removing liberty....
Other than that... nothing. You come before us with an empty hand. :shrug:
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@Hoodat
You must be a VERY sensitive fellow,because I THINK there might be MAYBE 4 or 5 hardcore Trump supporters posting here,and a whole damn PACK of DeSantis lunatics.
(https://i.imgflip.com/19kz7e.jpg)
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Himself. A walking talking lying POS.
Unlike DeSantified,and every other professional pol that has ever lived,right?
But then that is why you like him.
With ALL due respect,ESAD.
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@GtHawk
Well,if you want to win friends,the way to do that is to be a polite politician that is just like every other politician and not make any waves.
The way to effect change is CLEARLY to keep doing what you have been doing most of your life,and continue to vote for the guy just like the last guy that lost.
Explain to me what exactly that Trump accomplished during his term remains? Almost everything he accomplished was by EO, and yes I agree he accomplished good things...where are they now? erased day one by Biden because the great deal maker with his New York confrontational style could not get anything worked out with congress during the two years the republicans held everything.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein. Think about that because re-electing Trump with his leadership style of name calling insults and denigration and expecting to get anything accomplished by passing laws(if we keep congress and take the senate) is the very definition of insanity.
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The stench coming from a rotting Trump corpse will continue to drive voters to other options.
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(https://i.imgflip.com/19kz7e.jpg)
Well about everything but the LUNATIC part 000hehehehe
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FWIW, which isn't much, If Trump would shut up with the insulting names and run on his own victories he could have a winning platform.
All the man has to do is list his successful EOs that were shut down or copycatted by Biden.
What victories?? He gave us judges that the Federalist Society picked for him, and a tax bill written by Paul Ryan and rammed through Congress by Ryan and McConnell.
The rest of it was all fleeting EO's easily reversed by the biggest legacy Trump left, which was Biden/Harris and a Democrat Congress.
Trump lacked the brains to understand how the Administrative state works, and so was beaten easily by it. He also lacked the interpersonal skills necessary to build coalitions to pass meaningful reform, and finally, he lacked the judgement to appoint and empower competent subordinates.
I read a lot of MAGA types defend Trump by saying "he obviously speaks in hyperbole, so you shouldn't judge him by his literal words."
The problem is his promises are all empty hyperbole as well. He didn't drain the Swamp, he didn't appoint "only the best people", and he didn't "Make America Great Again.". His incompetence and massive personal flaws handed us over to the worst Administration in history, and if his alleged greatness can be undone that easily, it must not have been great at all.
The aftermath of a second Trump term would make Biden/Harris look like Reagan.
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Explain to me what exactly that Trump accomplished during his term remains? Almost everything he accomplished was by EO, and yes I agree he accomplished good things...where are they now? erased day one by Biden because the great deal maker with his New York confrontational style could not get anything worked out with congress during the two years the republicans held everything.
@GtHawk
Let's see,you are blaming Trump for Congress overturning his accomplishments?????
GOOD thinking!
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein.
Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"
Think about that because re-electing Trump with his leadership style of name calling insults and denigration and expecting to get anything accomplished by passing laws(if we keep congress and take the senate) is the very definition of insanity.
You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?
Doing the same thing over and over that has always failed is a sign of insanity.
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Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"
You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?
Doing the same thing over and over that has always failed is a sign of insanity.
Alright @sneakypete ... Understand this:
The ONLY ones who have ever moved the needle to the Right have been Conservative movements and Conservative people.
Name the populist who has ever got anything done. Go ahead. I'll wait. Make a list.
Doing the same thing over and over is putting populists, or NEOCons, or liberals in there, expecting them to move us to the right.
The rare exception and the actual working end of the spear is Conservatives.
Right now we have the chance to put an actual TEA Party Conservative in there. A guy who has proven himself as both a Congressman and a governor. A guy who is not afraid to go against powerful corporations and liberal influences - Again, proven, and largely successfully.
That is not 'an establishment candidate like always'.
That is a Conservative.
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Let's see,you are blaming Trump for Congress overturning his accomplishments?????
GOOD thinking!
I think I was more than clear on my part, Trump was unable to work with a republican congress(remember that first two years?) to achieve anything by getting laws enacted, the operative word is laws. Everything Trump got done was by EO which BIDEN overturned/erased in the first minutes of his residency.
Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"
Silly Rabbit, Trump is the establishment candidate that you are pushing
You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?
I never once said we need a gentlemen, but Trump's style of insult, antagonism and childishness is a big reason he didn't get anything done with his congressional majority...It's just not the same as being the top dog of your own company where you fire people if they don't do as you say(which oddly enough Mr. your fired just couldn't pull the trigger as President) In government you have to work with people and Trump didn't. Aren't you ever going to get past your orange man bad, rich person envy, Bush baloney and make substantive arguments?
Every day Trump with his childish vindictiveness, outright lies and stupid statements as he made today about Veterans drives more conservatives away from him, but I guess it's OK since more than once we have been told that Trump doesn't need us...more like Trump doesn't want us, I guess that's why he does what he does.
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I see your point, XXXX, but I don't give a rat's ass about his personality. The world is loaded with megalomaniacs in charge . All I care about is what he does and did as president. Considering the fact that he has been seriously attacked and maligned since announcing his candidacy, he is not the same as he was before and much of what he has become has been a reaction to the barrage of the vilification.
That might be a legitimate argument if Trump had, in fact, gotten anything done. But he didn't. He got a few little tokens accomplished here and there, but for the most part, he revelled in making enemies and pissing people off - including the people whose support he needed to get anything done.
And, for the record, the three Supreme Court justices were not his accomplishment - that was McConnell and the Federalist Society, with Trump playing the Bidenesque role of shutting up and doing what he's told, no doubt because he was promised all of the credit - and neither were the 2017 tax reforms - those were the brainchild of Paul Ryan and Co.
The wall would have been an authentic Trump accomplishment, but because he couldn't stop himself from making enemies and alienating the people whose support he needed, whatever he did was through executive order, which was promptly undone by Biden.
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Let's see,you are blaming Trump for Congress overturning his accomplishments?????
GOOD thinking!
I think I was more than clear on my part, Trump was unable to work with a republican congress(remember that first two years?) to achieve anything by getting laws enacted, the operative word is laws.
"ALLEGED Republican congress"
Everything Trump got done was by EO which BIDEN overturned/erased in the first minutes of his residency.
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So,it would have been better to not do that at all?
Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"
Silly Rabbit, Trump is the establishment candidate that you are pushing
One of us is silly,and it's not me.
You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?
I never once said we need a gentlemen, but Trump's style of insult, antagonism and childishness is a big reason he didn't get anything done with his congressional majority...It's just not the same as being the top dog of your own company where you fire people if they don't do as you say(which oddly enough Mr. your fired just couldn't pull the trigger as President) In government you have to work with people and Trump didn't. Aren't you ever going to get past your orange man bad, rich person envy, Bush baloney and make substantive arguments?
"Rude Orange Man,blah,blah,blah."
What we need is a Presidential candidate with manners,huh?
Maybe Jeb Bush will run?
Every day Trump with his childish vindictiveness, outright lies and stupid statements as he made today about Veterans drives more conservatives away from him, but I guess it's OK since more than once we have been told that Trump doesn't need us...more like Trump doesn't want us, I guess that's why he does what he does.
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Are you "Miss Manners" in "real life?
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DeSantis has an actual chance to be elected President, if even ever so slight. Trump has ZERO chance.
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DeSantis has an actual chance to be elected President, if even ever so slight. Trump has ZERO chance.
Agreed. The man is toxic waste. The EPA should declare him a waste dump and clean his slime up.
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Agreed. The man is toxic waste. The EPA should declare him a waste dump and clean his slime up.
@Wingnut
I hope you enjoy Biden's second term,as he give it to you "good and hard"!"
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Silly Rabbit, Trump is the establishment candidate that you are pushing
This cannot be emphasized enough. It was that way in 2016. It was that way in 2020. And it will be that way in 2024. Whatever it takes to hold in check the real threat - Conservatism. Now, let's make sure we keep backing the McCarthys, the McConnells, and the McDaniels of the GOP.
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So,it would have been better to not do that at all?
Like voting for the "establishment candidate like always" Once again,"Good thinking!"
One of us is silly,and it's not me.
You are right,of course. What we need is a gentleman in the WH. Somebody like one of the Bush clan?
"Rude Orange Man,blah,blah,blah."
What we need is a Presidential candidate with manners,huh?
Maybe Jeb Bush will run?
Are you "Miss Manners" in "real life?
Are never not going to excuse every failure by Trump by throwing insults at the person that points them out?
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Are never not going to excuse every failure by Trump by throwing insults at the person that points them out?
@GtHawk
You are confusing insults with reality.
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@GtHawk
You are confusing insults with reality.
Take another toke. You are over the line
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What victories??
The aftermath of a second Trump term would make Biden/Harris look like Reagan.
Video 1:
https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1662104111343366145
Video 2:
https://twitter.com/miguelifornia/status/1660742523281874944
Video 3:
https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/1663001579014836224
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"THERE IS ONLY ONE!!!" (Video)
https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1661500826643226626
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Sounds like you're perfectly fine with using proven and rampant government fraud, corruption, sedition, tyrannical lawfare and denial of Constitutionally guaranteed rights against someone you don't happen to like ---- and enjoy snuggling in bed with Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Liz Cheney, Kinzinger, Wray, Comey, McCabe and Garland, et al.
You may yet be named a founding father of the Fascist wing of the "principled conservative" movement.
You have ignored an incredible body of posts to draw a conclusion not supported by evidence. **nononono*
Please cease soiling the forum with tired false dichotomies.
If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic Sport, some people would be a shoo-in for Gold.
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“A 27-point swing…”
I want you to remember this tweet when DeSantis repeats that against Trump.
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I want you to remember this tweet when DeSantis repeats that against Trump.
@Hoodat
You are starting to sound like the ultimate "fan boi".
Then again,desperation is rarely pretty.
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@Hoodat
You are starting to sound like the ultimate "fan boi".
Then again,desperation is rarely pretty.
You've been sniffing Trump's jock for years, yet I'm the "fan boi"? Yeah, right.
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You've been sniffing Trump's jock for years, yet I'm the "fan boi"? Yeah, right.
@Hoodat
Not only desperate,but a liar to boot.
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You have ignored an incredible body of posts to draw a conclusion not supported by evidence. **nononono*
I assure you I have not; quite the opposite, in fact. The body of evidence has become too large to ignore. Far too many self-proclaimed "principled conservatives" are just fine with, damn near grateful for, the Obama led seditious lawfare against Donald Trump (and his supporters) and are rooting for it to finally remove Trump from the election roster ----- something their preferred candidate, Ron DeSantis, cannot do without the help of relentless, illegal lawfare.
If this upsets you, it should. But, point your anger at them, not at me.
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@Hoodat
Not only desperate,but a liar to boot.
Ok, then set me straight. How many years have you been sniffing his jock?
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I assure you I have not; quite the opposite, in fact. The body of evidence has become too large to ignore. Far too many self-proclaimed "principled conservatives" are just fine with, damn near grateful for, the Obama led seditious lawfare against Donald Trump (and his supporters) and are rooting for it to finally remove him from the election roster -----
Speaking of lies.
Did you ever consider that Trump himself was extremely ineffective at dealing with this seditious lawfare while in office?
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This has been stated countless times already, but this is why Conservatives here don't support Trump:
1) Because Trump isn't a Conservative
2) Because he ran up more debt in four years than any other President in US history
3) Because he is in bed with the GOP Establishment
4) Because he saved the political career of Mitch McConnell, sticking a knife in the back of the TEA Party
5) Because he is naive and inept when it comes to politics. He allowed the James Comeys, Christopher Wrays, and Anthony Faucis of the world run roughshod over himself and the American people.
6) And most importantly of all, because of all the false character assassinations, attacks, and other lies his sycophants throw at us on a constant basis.
Every single time I hear another one of these ridiculously false accusations thrown my way by some Trump zealot, it makes me want to vote against him even more. If Trump wants Conservative support, then he should start adopting Conservative positions. But the truth of the matter is that his sycophants don't want Conservative support. From the first day I joined this forum, I have been told as a Conservative that my vote wasn't wanted or needed, at the same time being blamed for every shortcoming that Trump has. So keep it up, @Right_in_Virginia , @DCPatriot , et al. You are poison to the Trump brand.
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Ok, then set me straight. How many years have you been sniffing his jock?
@Hoodat
ESAD,MF.
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This has been stated countless times already, but this is why Conservatives here don't support Trump:
1) Because Trump isn't a Conservative
2) Because he ran up more debt in four years than any other President in US history
3) Because he is in bed with the GOP Establishment
4) Because he saved the political career of Mitch McConnell, sticking a knife in the back of the TEA Party
5) Because he is naive and inept when it comes to politics. He allowed the James Comeys, Christopher Wrays, and Anthony Faucis of the world run roughshod over himself and the American people.
6) And most importantly of all, because of all the false character assassinations, attacks, and other lies his sycophants throw at us on a constant basis. my bold
Every single time I hear another one of these ridiculously false accusations thrown my way by some Trump zealot, it makes me want to vote against him even more. If Trump wants Conservative support, then he should start adopting Conservative positions. But the truth of the matter is that his sycophants don't want Conservative support. From the first day I joined this forum, I have been told as a Conservative that my vote wasn't wanted or needed, at the same time being blamed for every shortcoming that Trump has. So keep it up, @Right_in_Virginia , @DCPatriot , et al. You are poison to the Trump brand.
@Hoodat
IOW...you're admitting that you're all just a bunch of whiny bass turds! Grow TFU!
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@Hoodat
IOW...you're admitting that you're all just a bunch of whiny bass turds! Grow TFU!
QED.
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QED.
Precisely.
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@Hoodat
IOW...you're admitting that you're all just a bunch of whiny bass turds! Grow TFU!
That approach cannot build an effective political coalition, and if that approach becomes the dominant one in the GOP, it is doomed to defeat by left.
Never forget that the biggest, most important legacy of Trump's first term was handing us over to Biden/Harris and a Democratic Congress. A major part of the reason why is Trump's deliberately dumbed-down and deliberately offensive style.
Which means that Trump and Trumpism has to be consigned to the ashheap of history before we have a shot at stopping them with actions rather than just infantile words and tantrums.
Name calling people as snowflakes or whatever doesn't change the inarguable reality of how people react to the guy. He wears on people. As @Hoodat pointed out, it actually makes the turn-off even stronger. Saying "quit being so easily offended" isn't going to change the reality that tens of millions are offended, and that it will impact their vote.
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It's his shtick. He pisses everybody off. It's what he does. He's a chaos con.
It's no surprise he receives retaliation. And since he even has pissed off his own, no one is there to stand with him... Except for his adoring horde... Which is worthless in his defense, politically or legally.
Has he been treated badly? Sure. So has literally every other Republican president and governor and congressman and senator... Even those named McCain.
Has he been treated worse than most? Sure. But that is in large part due to his own confrontational style.
:thumbsup:
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We tried Trump. It left a bad aftertaste.
We're willing to try Ron "Diet Trump" DeSantis to see if it has a better taste.
There's always the possibility of an RC Cola or Dr Pepper candidate entering the GOP Primary.
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What victories?? He gave us judges that the Federalist Society picked for him, and a tax bill written by Paul Ryan and rammed through Congress by Ryan and McConnell.
The rest of it was all fleeting EO's easily reversed by the biggest legacy Trump left, which was Biden/Harris and a Democrat Congress.
Trump lacked the brains to understand how the Administrative state works, and so was beaten easily by it. He also lacked the interpersonal skills necessary to build coalitions to pass meaningful reform, and finally, he lacked the judgement to appoint and empower competent subordinates.
I read a lot of MAGA types defend Trump by saying "he obviously speaks in hyperbole, so you shouldn't judge him by his literal words."
The problem is his promises are all empty hyperbole as well. He didn't drain the Swamp, he didn't appoint "only the best people", and he didn't "Make America Great Again.". His incompetence and massive personal flaws handed us over to the worst Administration in history, and if his alleged greatness can be undone that easily, it must not have been great at all.
The aftermath of a second Trump term would make Biden/Harris look like Reagan.
:amen:
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DeSantis has an actual chance to be elected President, if even ever so slight. Trump has ZERO chance.
Yes. Big time. Even Bigly.
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Please excuse the interruption, you'll be returned to your regularly scheduled fantasies shortly ----
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Morning Consult: Who do you think would do a better job handling...?
The Economy
Trump — 71% (+52)
DeSantis — 19%
Immigration
Trump — 70% (+50)
DeSantis — 20%
Foreign Policy
Trump — 69% (+49)
DeSantis — 20%
Protecting Medicare and Social Security
Trump — 60 (+35)
DeSantis — 25%
https://t.co/ufk1F9fLsu
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxdZmkZWIAEcw4g?format=jpg&name=small)
9:19 AM · May 31, 2023
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InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Republicans - Who has the best chance of winning 2024 Presidential Election?
NBC/YouGov
Trump — 59% (+32)
DeSantis — 27%
Monmouth
Donald Trump — 63% (+31)
Someone else — 32%
YouGov/Economist
Trump — 58% (+31)
DeSantis — 27%
7:40 PM · May 30, 2023
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Please excuse the interruption, you'll be returned to your regularly scheduled fantasies shortly ----
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Morning Consult: Who do you think would do a better job handling...?
The Economy
Trump — 71% (+52)
DeSantis — 19%
Immigration
Trump — 70% (+50)
DeSantis — 20%
Foreign Policy
Trump — 69% (+49)
DeSantis — 20%
Protecting Medicare and Social Security
Trump — 60 (+35)
DeSantis — 25%
https://t.co/ufk1F9fLsu
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxdZmkZWIAEcw4g?format=jpg&name=small)
9:19 AM · May 31, 2023
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InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Republicans - Who has the best chance of winning 2024 Presidential Election?
NBC/YouGov
Trump — 59% (+32)
DeSantis — 27%
Monmouth
Donald Trump — 63% (+31)
Someone else — 32%
YouGov/Economist
Trump — 58% (+31)
DeSantis — 27%
7:40 PM · May 30, 2023
:mauslaff:
What happened to that Big Red Wave the polls were all predicting for the 2022 elections?
Polls are about as useful as Trump's promises right about now.
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Like most everything, with polls you get what you pay for.
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Please excuse the interruption, you'll be returned to your regularly scheduled fantasies shortly ----
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
What did the poll numbers look like for the Jesus - Barabbas contest in Jerusalem?
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We tried Trump. It left a bad aftertaste.
We're willing to try Ron "Diet Trump" DeSantis to see if it has a better taste.
There's always the possibility of an RC Cola or Dr Pepper candidate entering the GOP Primary.
:thumbsup:
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:thumbsup:
Et tu, Brutus!
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Et tu, Brutus!
Bluto...not Brutus. (https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.5ZLxYf9kYDYiEbdP0lYdoAHaIV&pid=Api&P=0&h=180)
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Et tu, Brutus!
You Betcha!
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:mauslaff:
Polls are about as useful as Trump's promises right about now.
Protip: Keep this handy ----
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxdmRkTXgAAvkr6?format=jpg&name=small)
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Protip: Keep this handy ----
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxdmRkTXgAAvkr6?format=jpg&name=small)
:mauslaff:
If DeSantis is such a nothingburger for the Orange Turd, why are you letting him live rent-free in your head?
To be perfectly honest, I still expect the Orange Turd to get the nomination, and to then go on to lose the general election, so your fear and panic means little to me.
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You Betcha!
Will you be continuing TBR after DeSantis "suspends" his campaign @mystery-ak ?
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Will you be continuing TBR after DeSantis "suspends" his campaign @mystery-ak ?
No...I will probably sell it................../s
Tell me...are you working for the Trump campaign..members here have a right to know.
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If DeSantis is such a nothingburger for the Orange Turd, why are you letting him live rent-free in your head?
Logic is not her strong suit.
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No...I will probably sell it................../s
Tell me...are you working for the Trump campaign..members here have a right to know.
If she is, then that is twice as bad. Trump employing someone who has probably driven more people away from voting for Trump than anyone else around.
I've always wondered what it would be like engaging some liberal on DU. Now I know.
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Will you be continuing TBR after DeSantis "suspends" his campaign @mystery-ak ?
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:mauslaff:
If DeSantis is such a nothingburger for the Orange Turd, why are you letting him live rent-free in your head?
To be perfectly honest, I still expect the Orange Turd to get the nomination, and to then go on to lose the general election, so your fear and panic means little to me.
For the record, I don't think it matters now who gets the Republican nomination as several states have now seized the opportunity to rig their elections so as to prevent ANY Republican from winning.
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For the record, I don't think it matters now who gets the Republican nomination as several states have now seized the opportunity to rig their elections so as to prevent ANY Republican from winning.
The elephant in the room.
:thumbsup:
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No...I will probably sell it................../s
I'm relieved to see the "/s". :beer:
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For the record...here in Il by the time the Primary election reaches Il the candidate is already chosen...I will vote the nominee as I had to vote for McCain, Romney and Trump...none my first choice.
Unless the nomination is still up in the air, and as of now , I will vote for DeSantis.
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No...I will probably sell it................../s
Tell me...are you working for the Trump campaign..members here have a right to know.
Why?
@Right_in_Virginia has been with us before TBR was a gleam in your eye.
Talk about a "slippery slope". :laugh:
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Why?
@Right_in_Virginia has been with us before TBR was a gleam in your eye.
Talk about a "slippery slope". :laugh:
You are not going to tag team me as you did yesterday to @roamer_1
@Right_in_Virginia has not answered my question re working for the Trump campaign..
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You are not going to tag team me as you did yesterday to @roamer_1
@Right_in_Virginia has not answered my question re working for the Trump campaign..
The "Other Admin" also wants to know. The Members of TBR have a right to know if they are conversing with a paid campaign worker.
@Right_in_Virginia
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People have their reasons why they support Trump. Probably the same reasons that people have why they support, DeSantis, or Haley, or Scott….
I’ve just never seen such an infantile reaction to even the prospect of somebody announcing they’re going to run for an open Republican primary as Trump and his supporters did even back in 2022 when it came to Ron DeSantis. And I think the problem is is they don’t want the fight to be between conservatism versus big government populism in a GOP primary. Why do you think Trump and his supporters are attacking Ron DeSantis from the left?
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:mauslaff:
If DeSantis is such a nothingburger for the Orange Turd, why are you letting him live rent-free in your head?
To be perfectly honest, I still expect the Orange Turd to get the nomination, and to then go on to lose the general election, so your fear and panic means little to me.
BINGO!
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You're not real bright are you?
LOL! You're a funny guy @Jack Russell :yowsa:
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I noticed you never answered the @mystery-ak question @Right_in_Virginia "Are you a paid Trump Campaign worker?" Only if you answered in the affirmative would I believe you, anyway.
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@Right_in_Virginia has not answered my question re working for the Trump campaign..
The "Other Admin" also wants to know. The Members of TBR have a right to know if they are conversing with a paid campaign worker.
@Right_in_Virginia
Respectfully, no one on this forum has a "right" to know anything about my personal life. What I choose to share is up to me, and me alone. Demanding otherwise from me is a breach of the most sacred contract between management and member: Anonymity.
This demand also breaches the historic first rule at TBR: Shoot the message, not the messenger. I post opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters and the forum's management and "advisory" committee --- and present ample support for them with links and video, commonly referred to as "receipts".
Whatever I do for a living, or if I am fantastically independently wealthy and don't work at all, should have no bearing on a substantive discussion of the information I present. I am stunned and offended that you would demand this type of information from me.
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
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I think you just answered it. A paid Trump supporter, never would have guessed. /S
It makes no difference to me whether she is a Paid Trump psychopath or not but I do believe she should put it in her signature line "This post is brought to you by the 'Let's FAIL Again' Campaign Committee'.
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I think you just answered it. A paid Trump supporter, never would have guessed. /S
This goes back to her demanding to know from other members if, after a picture with no context of a young RDS surrounded by, what was assumed, under age girls, with alcohol in their hands, they felt that grooming and buying alcohol for underage girls was a “conservative value.” Well, not only is buying underage girls alcohol not a conservative are you, it’s also against the law, but there was nothing in that picture that was suggest anything that a law was broke or anything.
And it goes back to posting a so-called endorsement by George Soros of Ron DeSantis. But if you read the “receipts,” George Soros gave no such endorsement.
When one get caught in those acts enough times, it’s only natural that people doubt everything that individual claims henceforth. Those talking points don’t get challenged on TruthSocial. Here, they do. That explains the resistance to answering any questions
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Whatever I do for a living, or if am fantastically independently wealthy and don't work at all, should have no bearing on a substantive discussion of the information I present. I am stunned and offended that you would demand this type of information from me.
What you say is true and I am sorry you are offended but I disagree about why it is important to know if you are employed by the Trump Campaign.
I pretty much assumed it since no matter what Trump does you defend..especially attacking and trying to ruin another Repub candidate....and today attacking one of his most loyal supporters Kayleigh..
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When one get caught in those acts enough times, it’s only natural that people doubt everything that individual claims henceforth. Those talking points don’t get challenged on TruthSocial. Here, they do. That explains the resistance to answering any questions
More to the point, what we do here is only worthwhile if the information gathering aspect is well vetted.
I don't mess with news or politics much, and rely on this board almost exclusively to deliver that function.
Every news source is already unreliable. If users here purposefully post lies, then how are we any different than those media outlets?
Our FIRST cause has to be toward truth, or this entire enterprise is of no use.
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What you say is true and I am sorry you are offended but I disagree about why it is important to know if you are employed by the Trump Campaign.
I pretty much assumed it since no matter what Trump does you defend..especially attacking and trying to ruin another Repub candidate....and today attacking one of his most loyal supporters Kayleigh..
It is not a slight against personal information to require agents to declare themselves - And yes, the forum users do have a right to know that,..
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Respectfully, no one on this forum has a "right" to know anything about my personal life. What I choose to share is up to me, and me alone. Demanding otherwise from me is a breach of the most sacred contract between management and member: Anonymity.
This demand also breaches the historic first rule at TBR: Shoot the message, not the messenger. I post opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters and the forum's management and "advisory" committee --- and present ample support for them with links and video, commonly referred to as "receipts".
Whatever I do for a living, or if I am fantastically independently wealthy and don't work at all, should have no bearing on a substantive discussion of the information I present. I am stunned and offended that you would demand this type of information from me.
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
Another refusal to answer. Briefers are making their own conclusions.
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Need a tag for campaign operatives that they can't turn off.
Truth matters.
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What you say is true and I am sorry you are offended but I disagree about why it is important to know if you are employed by the Trump Campaign.
I pretty much assumed it since no matter what Trump does you defend..especially attacking and trying to ruin another Repub candidate....and today attacking one of his most loyal supporters Kayleigh..
Is a simple apology without the "but" reasonable @mystery-ak ?
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Is a simple apology without the "but" reasonable @mystery-ak ?
Wow!
It's turning out to be one helluva day, isn't it @Right_in_Virginia :yowsa:
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You are not going to tag team me as you did yesterday to @roamer_1
@Right_in_Virginia has not answered my question re working for the Trump campaign..
Went back and looked...didn't see where I tag-teamed anyone.
Only time I ping you is when I'm about to knock somebody out.
You know...for added context! :laugh:
And regarding your demanding to know what a virtual Founding Member of this forum does is beyond the pale.
I'm sitting here thinking what Howlin would say to you. happy77
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Went back and looked...didn't see where I tag-teamed anyone.
Only time I ping you is when I'm about to knock somebody out.
You know...for added context! :laugh:
And regarding your demanding to know what a virtual Founding Member of this forum does is beyond the pale.
I'm sitting here thinking what Howlin would say to you. happy77
Didn't Howlin pass away a few years ago? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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Didn't Howlin pass away a few years ago? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Maybe it was her mom.
But since 1998, on TOS...in all the main forum battles, we found ourselves arms entwined.
She was a legend. Always pictured her as a no-nonsense drill sarge with short hair...a Full Metal Jacket stand-in.
Ah....the memories @Cyber Liberty :beer:
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Maybe it was her mom.
But since 1998, on TOS...in all the main forum battles, we found ourselves arms entwined.
She was a legend. Always pictured her as a no-nonsense drill sarge with short hair...a Full Metal Jacket stand-in.
Ah....the memories @Cyber Liberty :beer:
Agreed, @DCPatriot! Howlin and I were good friends. One year I handed out Carbon Monoxide detectors to people at Christmas in memory of her son who died from CO poisoning, through no fault of his own.
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Sadly, we lost Howlin in 2018....
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3747919/posts
8888crybaby @DCPatriot
We also lost the fellow who posted that thread, @Machiavelli
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I met him on a Monday, and my heart went ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Somebody told me that his name was ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, my heart went ron
Yes, his name was ron
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
He knew what he was doin' when he caught my eye
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
He looked so quiet, but my, oh, my
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, he caught my eye
Yes, oh my, oh my
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
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Da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Picked me up at seven, and he looked so fine
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Someday soon I'm gonna make him mine
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, he looked so fine
Yes, I'll make him mine
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
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Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron...
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Sadly, we lost Howlin in 2018....
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3747919/posts
8888crybaby @DCPatriot
We also lost the fellow who posted that thread, @Machiavelli
Sincere thanks, @Cyber Liberty
Take a moment and reconsider.
..A Bridge Too Far.
And for what? It's not even ****ing primary season happy77
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I met him on a Monday, and my heart went ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Somebody told me that his name was ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, my heart went ron
Yes, his name was ron
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
He knew what he was doin' when he caught my eye
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
He looked so quiet, but my, oh, my
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, he caught my eye
Yes, oh my, oh my
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Picked me up at seven, and he looked so fine
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Someday soon I'm gonna make him mine
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, he looked so fine
Yes, I'll make him mine
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
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Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron
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Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron...
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15 second laugh break.....
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I met him on a Monday, and my heart went ron
Da doo ron ron ron
:hijack: :jail:
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Sincere thanks, @Cyber Liberty
Take a moment and reconsider.
..A Bridge Too Far.
And for what? It's not even ****ing primary season happy77
Things like that have a way of focusing our attention on what's really important.
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Since we're taking a break from all the bi1chin that prevails in this Thread.
Van Zant - Sweet Florida (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuWx8hCMw-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuWx8hCMw-o)
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Since we're taking a break from all the bi1chin that prevails in this Thread.
Van Zant - Sweet Florida (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuWx8hCMw-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuWx8hCMw-o)
Now let's get the Political Graphics thread back on track...
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Respectfully, no one on this forum has a "right" to know anything about my personal life. What I choose to share is up to me, and me alone. Demanding otherwise from me is a breach of the most sacred contract between management and member: Anonymity.
This demand also breaches the historic first rule at TBR: Shoot the message, not the messenger. I post opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters and the forum's management and "advisory" committee --- and present ample support for them with links and video, commonly referred to as "receipts".
Whatever I do for a living, or if I am fantastically independently wealthy and don't work at all, should have no bearing on a substantive discussion of the information I present. I am stunned and offended that you would demand this type of information from me.
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
FWIW to you @Right_in_Virginia I'm in total agreement with that.
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I met him on a Monday, and my heart went ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Somebody told me that his name was ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, my heart went ron
Yes, his name was ron
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
He knew what he was doin' when he caught my eye
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
He looked so quiet, but my, oh, my
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, he caught my eye
Yes, oh my, oh my
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Picked me up at seven, and he looked so fine
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Someday soon I'm gonna make him mine
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Yes, he looked so fine
Yes, I'll make him mine
And when he walked me home
Da doo ron ron ron
Da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron
Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron
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Da doo ron ron ron, da doo ron ron...
Pretty good!
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FWIW to you @Right_in_Virginia I'm in total agreement with that.
It's worth a lot to me...to all of us, @Bigun :beer:
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It's worth a lot to me...to all of us, @Bigun :beer:
Hypocritical bullshit.
BOTH @DCPatriot and @Right_in_Virginia tried to out me on this forum and demanded I confess as an agent provocateur because I was so vociferously against Tumpy...
When the only political participation I had at the time was already confessed = I was in the game for Zinke, and I was on a think tank for the TEA Party... My previous link to business fund raising aside...
Y'all sure had no problem calling ME out, claiming exactly that forum members had a right to know if I was an agent.
Shoe is on the other foot now, eh?
Suddenly it's unconscionable...
Yeah, right... *****rollingeyes*****
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Hypocritical bullshit.
BOTH @DCPatriot and @Right_in_Virginia tried to out me on this forum and demanded I confess as an agent provocateur because I was so vociferously against Tumpy...
When the only political participation I had at the time was already confessed = I was in the game for Zinke, and I was on a think tank for the TEA Party... My previous link to business fund raising aside...
Y'all sure had no problem calling ME out, claiming exactly that forum members had a right to know if I was an agent.
Shoe is on the other foot now, eh?
Suddenly it's unconscionable...
Yeah, right... *****rollingeyes*****
@roamer_1
LOL!
Compared to RIV, you're a pimple on the forum's ass.
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Hypocritical bullshit.
BOTH @DCPatriot and @Right_in_Virginia tried to out me on this forum and demanded I confess as an agent provocateur because I was so vociferously against Tumpy...
When the only political participation I had at the time was already confessed = I was in the game for Zinke, and I was on a think tank for the TEA Party... My previous link to business fund raising aside...
Y'all sure had no problem calling ME out, claiming exactly that forum members had a right to know if I was an agent.
Shoe is on the other foot now, eh?
Suddenly it's unconscionable...
Yeah, right... *****rollingeyes*****
@roamer_1
Please provide a link or links to posts/threads where I accuse you of being such.
Thank you. :patriot:
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Hypocritical bullshit.
BOTH @DCPatriot and @Right_in_Virginia tried to out me on this forum and demanded I confess as an agent provocateur because I was so vociferously against Tumpy...
When the only political participation I had at the time was already confessed = I was in the game for Zinke, and I was on a think tank for the TEA Party... My previous link to business fund raising aside...
Y'all sure had no problem calling ME out, claiming exactly that forum members had a right to know if I was an agent.
Shoe is on the other foot now, eh?
Suddenly it's unconscionable...
Yeah, right... *****rollingeyes*****
Listen my friend @roamer_1 what I said to @Right_in_Virginia applies equally to you.
What is none of our business is none of our business! Period!
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@roamer_1
Please provide a link or links to posts/threads where I accuse you of being such.
Thank you. :patriot:
Go find em yourself. I ain't gonna dig through the entire 2016 debacle (primary and aftermath) just to satisfy your urges.
It ain't the sort of thing I'd forget.
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Listen my friend @roamer_1 what I said to @Right_in_Virginia applies equally to you.
What is none of our business is none of our business! Period!
I disagree @Bigun . If someone is an agent, that should be declared.
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I respectfully disagree @Bigun
If someone is a PAID operative of a Campaign and in here promoting said Candidate, it should be noted.
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I disagree @Bigun . If someone is an agent, that should be declared.
You and I generally agree @roamer_1 on this we don't.
And BTW: I have bumped heads with just about everyone here at times.
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You and I generally agree @roamer_1 on this we don't.
And BTW: I have bumped heads with just about everyone here at times.
Including me... And that's alright. happy77 :beer:
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You and I generally agree @roamer_1 on this we don't.
And BTW: I have bumped heads with just about everyone here at times.
I've always respected you for that @Bigun and will continue to do so.
Rock Solid :beer:
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Go find em yourself. I ain't gonna dig through the entire 2016 debacle (primary and aftermath) just to satisfy your urges.
It ain't the sort of thing I'd forget.
Then I say you're spouting untruths.
Hallucinations from when you first were found battered on the rocks on our beach? Perhaps.
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I respectfully disagree @Bigun
If someone is a PAID operative of a Campaign and in here promoting said Candidate, it should be noted.
Generally speaking, such information can be found by any poster who wants to know @corbe.
I personally don't care who pays them. I care what they SAY and do.
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Then I say you're spouting untruths.
Hallucinations from when you first were found battered on the rocks on our beach? Perhaps.
Whatever. It happened.
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I've always respected you for that @Bigun and will continue to do so.
Rock Solid :beer:
Thank you @corbe It's mutual I'll assure you.
:beer:
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Including me... And that's alright. happy77 :beer:
:yowsa:
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Whatever. It happened.
Naw!
"You say it did. I say it didn't. What follows?" (The Drop-2014)
FYI...we bump into each other tomorrow morning, today is over! :beer:
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:grouphug:
Now that we got that out of the way can we get back to 'Slice and Dice'?
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@Bigun
We clash opinions from time to time, but I value your advice.
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@Bigun
We clash opinions from time to time, but I value your advice.
That's how things work with us human beings @Cyber Liberty I have always considered you a friend and that goes back a LONG time. Before either of us were around these parts. :beer:
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That approach cannot build an effective political coalition, and if that approach becomes the dominant one in the GOP, it is doomed to defeat by left.
Never forget that the biggest, most important legacy of Trump's first term was handing us over to Biden/Harris and a Democratic Congress. A major part of the reason why is Trump's deliberately dumbed-down and deliberately offensive style.
Which means that Trump and Trumpism has to be consigned to the ashheap of history before we have a shot at stopping them with actions rather than just infantile words and tantrums.
Name calling people as snowflakes or whatever doesn't change the inarguable reality of how people react to the guy. He wears on people. As @Hoodat pointed out, it actually makes the turn-off even stronger. Saying "quit being so easily offended" isn't going to change the reality that tens of millions are offended, and that it will impact their vote.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Are you actually trying to claim that Trump handed control of America off to the DNC?
I am tempted to respond to a brain fart like that in kind,but I really want to know how you came to that conclusion.
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Please excuse the interruption, you'll be returned to your regularly scheduled fantasies shortly ----
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
Morning Consult: Who do you think would do a better job handling...?
@Right_in_Virginia
Do NOT try to confuse these fools with facts. It will just make your head hurt because they want someone with manners,not
"RUDE ORANGE RICH MAN.
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For the record, I don't think it matters now who gets the Republican nomination as several states have now seized the opportunity to rig their elections so as to prevent ANY Republican from winning.
@Bigun
To tell the truth,I think we all know this,and the anger about not being able to do anything about is what has us turning on each other.
Once again,FOR THE RECORD,I support Trump BECAUSE he is a rude,orange,bomb thrower.
Haven't we all seen and experienced enough of what happens when an alleged Republican President tries to "play nice" with the DNC?
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The "Other Admin" also wants to know. The Members of TBR have a right to know if they are conversing with a paid campaign worker.
@Right_in_Virginia
@Cyber Liberty
WHAT ACTUAL FREAKING DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE?????
Would that give someone the power to maybe hypnotize us to vote for the candidate they support?
SOME of you people need to lighten the hell UP! NOBODY here is "The Master of the Universe"
This crap is already getting insane,and the campaigning hasn't even really started yet.
As a wise man who is unknown to me once noted,"Lighten up,Lucille!"
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People have their reasons why they support Trump. Probably the same reasons that people have why they support, DeSantis, or Haley, or Scott….
I’ve just never seen such an infantile reaction to even the prospect of somebody announcing they’re going to run for an open Republican primary as Trump and his supporters did even back in 2022 when it came to Ron DeSantis. And I think the problem is is they don’t want the fight to be between conservatism versus big government populism in a GOP primary. Why do you think Trump and his supporters are attacking Ron DeSantis from the left?
@LMAO
Ok,so you weren't paying any attention to the primaries. DeSantis was bombing in Fla,and then TRUMP showed up to campaign for him,and damned if he didn't win.
SO,what does he does to celebrate his victory? He turns on the man that is more responsible for him getting re-elected and stabs him in the back.
DeSantis is a loser that turned into a user. He is a whore who will say and do anything he has to say or do to get elected.
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Demanding otherwise from me is a breach of the most sacred contract between management and member: Anonymity.
You misspelled 'non-accountability'.
This demand also breaches the historic first rule at TBR: Shoot the message, not the messenger.
A historic rule which you historically violated on an hourly basis.
I post opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters and the forum's management and "advisory" committee --- and present ample support for them with links and video, commonly referred to as "receipts".
You regularly pass off things you know not to be true as 'facts' and present zero support for them even when repeatedly prompted.
Whatever I do for a living, or if I am fantastically independently wealthy and don't work at all, should have no bearing on a substantive discussion of the information I present.
Nobody gives a shit what you do for a living. All anyone here wants is for posters to be honest. And in that regard, you regularly disappoint.
I am stunned and offended that you would demand this type of information from me.
Stunned? Offended? Hardly. More like fake outrage at being outed. Personally, I don't care. To me it doesn't matter. It is the fallacious contents of your posts that get my attention. The fact that they perfectly mimic the false narrative of a liberal politician's campaign volunteer is merely a side show.
Hope that helps.
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Since we're taking a break from all the bi1chin that prevails in this Thread.
Van Zant - Sweet Florida (Official Music Video)
As long as we're singing about Florida . . .
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1OsQBbbqgM)
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Respectfully, no one on this forum has a "right" to know anything about my personal life. What I choose to share is up to me, and me alone. Demanding otherwise from me is a breach of the most sacred contract between management and member: Anonymity.
@Right_in_Virginia
On the up side,it does give us all an insight into their lack of character. They can't fight your posts or reasoning,so they want to start the equivalent of a Klan gathering and burn you at the stake.
BTW,what POSSIBLE freaking difference could it make to anyone if you were a Trump campaign insider? Would the sun come up later tomorrow,or even refuse to come up at all?
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I think you just answered it. A paid Trump supporter, never would have guessed. /S
@Jack Russell
Ohhh,the fiend! Let's get a big black cast iron pot and boil her to death!
Some of you people make the typical Dim voter look smart by comparison.
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@LMAO
Ok,so you weren't paying any attention to the primaries. DeSantis was bombing in Fla,and then TRUMP showed up to campaign for him,and damned if he didn't win.
SO,what does he does to celebrate his victory? He turns on the man that is more responsible for him getting re-elected and stabs him in the back.
DeSantis is a loser that turned into a user. He is a whore who will say and do anything he has to say or do to get elected.
He has every right to run in the GOP primary like any other Republican regardless if it upsets you or Trump. The nomination does not belong to Trump
If DeSantis running upsets you, then you have the right to not vote for him
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It makes no difference to me whether she is a Paid Trump psychopath or not but I do believe she should put it in her signature line "This post is brought to you by the 'Let's FAIL Again' Campaign Committee'.
@corbe
Why,because the typical DeSantis voter isn't smart enough to think for themselves?
WATCH IT! RUDE ORANGE MAN MIGHT BE SNEAKING UP ON YOU!
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@Right_in_Virginia
On the up side,it does give us all an insight into their lack of character. They can't fight your posts or reasoning,so they want to start the equivalent of a Klan gathering and burn you at the stake.
BTW,what POSSIBLE freaking difference could it make to anyone if you were a Trump campaign insider? Would the sun come up later tomorrow,or even refuse to come up at all?
RIV started this by taking a picture of a young RDS surrounded by other young women with alcohol in their hands while demanding of other posters here if supplying alcohol to underage girls was the new "conservative value." This was a picture that had no context, had no indication if these girls were underage, nor any indication he bought the booze for them with the intent of grooming them.
She deserves every derision that comes her way
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What you say is true and I am sorry you are offended but I disagree about why it is important to know if you are employed by the Trump Campaign.
I pretty much assumed it since no matter what Trump does you defend..especially attacking and trying to ruin another Repub candidate....and today attacking one of his most loyal supporters Kayleigh..
@mystery-ak
Well,if THAT is true,don't we also know who is being pimped out by the DeSantis campaign? Seems to ME there are more of them here throwing around accussations than there are Trump supporters,so I want to know "Are they DeSantis Tools?"
OR......,maybe we could just let people be themselves and make up our own minds if THEY are right or wrong about any particular issue?
MUST we go full-on "Huffington Post"?
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Another refusal to answer. Briefers are making their own conclusions.
@Cyber Liberty
Is that right,Comrade?
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Wow!
It's turning out to be one helluva day, isn't it @Right_in_Virginia :yowsa:
@mystery-ak
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia
No kidding. I am honesty shocked at some people going "full Comrade" on what is considered to be a conservative DISCUSSION board.
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RIV started this by taking a picture of a young RDS surrounded by other young women with alcohol in their hands while demanding of other posters here if supplying alcohol to underage girls was the new "conservative value." This was a picture that had no context, had no indication if these girls were underage, nor any indication he bought the booze for them with the intent of grooming them.
She deserves every derision that comes her way
And that was just the first drop in a very deep bucket of outright lies.
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Sincere thanks, @Cyber Liberty
Take a moment and reconsider.
..A Bridge Too Far.
And for what? It's not even ****ing primary season happy77
@DCPatriot
I am having a hard time even thinking about how personal and brutal it is going to get when the primaries actually get started.
We ALL need to chill-down a little.
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No kidding. I am honesty shocked at some people going "full Comrade" on what is considered to be a conservative DISCUSSION board.
It is because we're a Conservative discussion board that we oppose Trump. We generally oppose enemies of Conservatism. Were you not aware?
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FWIW to you @Right_in_Virginia I'm in total agreement with that.
@Right_in_Virginia
@Bigun
I am in total agreement,also.
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Listen my friend @roamer_1 what I said to @Right_in_Virginia applies equally to you.
What is none of our business is none of our business! Period!
@Bigun
Seems like such a simple concept that anyone would be able to understand it,doesn't it?
Let me add this,"We are either ALL free,or none of us are free". This includes the freedom to maintain privacy,unless,of course,you start a political career.
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I disagree @Bigun . If someone is an agent, that should be declared.
@roamer_1
Why?
What possible difference could it make?
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Respectfully, no one on this forum has a "right" to know anything about my personal life. What I choose to share is up to me, and me alone. Demanding otherwise from me is a breach of the most sacred contract between management and member: Anonymity.
This demand also breaches the historic first rule at TBR: Shoot the message, not the messenger. I post opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters and the forum's management and "advisory" committee --- and present ample support for them with links and video, commonly referred to as "receipts".
Whatever I do for a living, or if I am fantastically independently wealthy and don't work at all, should have no bearing on a substantive discussion of the information I present. I am stunned and offended that you would demand this type of information from me.
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty
If this forum granted total anonymity to everybody who posted here, it'd be overloaded with trolls and spam.
The fact is, you have a username. You have an identity. You also have an IP address that, if the administrators wanted to, they could trace.
I get the desire for privacy in certain aspects of one's life. I don't use my first name on this forum—at least the public side of it—for that reason.
But any message board out there operates on the premise of good faith: that generally, people who post on there are who they say they are, and any ulterior motives for posting are publicly known. If someone is getting paid to post propaganda, and denying/obfuscating that fact, that's bad faith. I can assure you that I'm in no way important enough to have any political candidates or organizations paying me to carry their water, not that I could do that with a clear conscience.
If you're a paid operative or a Russian-backed agent of chaos, please say so. Your statement of "opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters" is remarkably similar to the approach taken by RT, Russia's former propaganda arm here in America, so that would be consistent. Yet I can only speculate.
If you don't want to reveal your funding/sources, that's your decision—but don't complain when we assume the worst.
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He has every right to run in the GOP primary like any other Republican regardless if it upsets you or Trump. The nomination does not belong to Trump
If DeSantis running upsets you, then you have the right to not vote for him
@LMAO
I agree,but IIRC,I was being asked why so many of us are against DeSantis,and in MY opinion stabbing the man in the back that got you elected shows a lack of character.
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Well stated, @jmyrlefuller .
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in MY opinion stabbing the man in the back that got you elected shows a lack of character.
For the umpteenth time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
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And that was just the first drop in a very deep bucket of outright lies.
@Hoodat
How do YOU know they were lies?
Did you check their ID's to see if they were old enough to legally drink alcohol?
BTW,I have no idea if they were too young or not. Don't even remember seeing the photo,and frankly,I have more serious things to think and worry about,like the survival of America as a free and independent nation under the US Constitution.
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It is because we're a Conservative discussion board that we oppose Trump. We generally oppose enemies of Conservatism. Were you not aware?
@Hoodat
Once again,a shithead accussation in defense of a shithead charge.
WHY is it I think the tables would be turned if it were DeSantas being discussed here instead of Trump?
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For the umpteenth time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
And how did Trump "get DeSantis elected?" Can we say, without a doubt, that DeSantis would have lost the election without Trump's supposed help? Given the state's electoral record the past few years... of course not. Trump is taking credit for something he had no hand in, as usual.
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@Hoodat
Once again,a shithead accussation in defense of a shithead charge.
WHY is it I think the tables would be turned if it were DeSantas being discussed here instead of Trump?
Because DeSantis actually has a record that fits what we're looking for... and Trump, not so much.
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If this forum granted total anonymity to everybody who posted here, it'd be overloaded with trolls and spam.
The fact is, you have a username. You have an identity. You also have an IP address that, if the administrators wanted to, they could trace.
I get the desire for privacy in certain aspects of one's life. I don't use my first name on this forum—at least the public side of it—for that reason.
But any message board out there operates on the premise of good faith: that generally, people who post on there are who they say they are, and any ulterior motives for posting are publicly known. If someone is getting paid to post propaganda, and denying/obfuscating that fact, that's bad faith. I can assure you that I'm in no way important enough to have any political candidates or organizations paying me to carry their water, not that I could do that with a clear conscience.
If you're a paid operative or a Russian-backed agent of chaos, please say so. Your statement of "opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters" is remarkably similar to the approach taken by RT, Russia's former propaganda arm here in America, so that would be consistent. Yet I can only speculate.
If you don't want to reveal your funding/sources, that's your decision—but don't complain when we assume the worst.
@jmyrlefuller
In most places and circumstances,I would generally be in agreement with almost everything you wrote,but this is a political DISCUSSION board,not a board about scientific discoveries. People have opinions,and their opinions being "right" or being "wrong" are ENTIRELY in the POV of those who are reading them.
Yeah,we all have a right to disagree with anything or even everything another poster posts,but THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO POST IT JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT THEY POST.
Or it SHOULD be that way,anyhow.
I have a feeling I am going to be off this board by the time the actual political season starts unless things change. There are better things to do with my time than try to discuss things with people who only want to argue and call names.
And "Yes,I DO respond in kind." I AM sometimes (?)low on patience,and that is MY fault,but I don't enjoy beating my head against a wall and I don't enjoy getting mad every day.
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@Hoodat
How do YOU know they were lies?
How do you know they were true?
Did you check their ID's to see if they were old enough to legally drink alcohol?
Maybe you should ask the person who offered the claim in the first place. Let's say someone comes in here and posts about how @sneakypete likes having sex with aardvarks. Now I happen to know a bit about Sneakypete's character, and I am extremely skeptical of this claim. Even more so, I know a bit about the character of the person making the claim as well, a person with a very long history of offering dubious claims that turned out not to be true. So to clear the air, I ask said poster if he/she has any evidence supporting the claim. No response. I ask again for evidence. Again, no response. I ask again. And again. And again. I keep asking until finally I get a response like this - "I posted it already". Now there's no point in coming to you since you can't prove that you didn't have sex with an aardvark. The burden always falls on the person making the claim.
So considering that ZERO evidence was offered backing up the claim, and considering that the poster has a long-standing motive to slander you, I would conclude that said poster was lying. Would you agree?
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@roamer_1
Why?
What possible difference could it make?
@sneakypete
Because pimping your guy is one thing... But acting as a provocateur against your competition is another.
People who are paid to throw shade on someone goes to motive - If the subject is a declared agent, then that shade is more easily discounted.
And in the way of full disclosure, I am a free agent, in no one's employ, nearly completely divorced from politics, with the exception of TEA Party steerage meetings (roughly quarterly, which I will be unable to attend for the near future) - A position that is unpaid and entirely voluntary. That's it.
I serve God and Conservatism and country living.
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WHY is it I think the tables would be turned if it were DeSantas being discussed here instead of Trump?
If DeSantis was spreading lies about Trump and falsely attacking his record, I would be calling him out on it. I have a lengthy history of defending Trump when he has been falsely accused.
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@sneakypete
Because pimping your guy is one thing... But acting as a provocateur against your competition is another.
People who are paid to throw shade on someone goes to motive - If the subject is a declared agent, then that shade is more easily discounted.
@roamer_1
What POSSIBLE ACTUAL difference could it make?
It's not like going on a date with a hot babe and then discovering she is a tranny,IT'S OPINIONS,and they are worth every dollar you pay for them.
Even mine.
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@Hoodat
Once again,a shithead accussation in defense of a shithead charge.
WHY is it I think the tables would be turned if it were DeSantas being discussed here instead of Trump?
@sneakypete
Believe me, if DeSantis starts preaching big government, I'll drop him like a hot rock - Just like I did Tumpy.
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@jmyrlefuller
In most places and circumstances,I would generally be in agreement with almost everything you wrote,but this is a political DISCUSSION board,not a board about scientific discoveries. People have opinions,and their opinions being "right" or being "wrong" are ENTIRELY in the POV of those who are reading them.
Yeah,we all have a right to disagree with anything or even everything another poster posts,but THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO POST IT JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT THEY POST.
Or it SHOULD be that way,anyhow.
I have a feeling I am going to be off this board by the time the actual political season starts unless things change. There are better things to do with my time than try to discuss things with people who only want to argue and call names.
And "Yes,I DO respond in kind." I AM sometimes (?)low on patience,and that is MY fault,but I don't enjoy beating my head against a wall and I don't enjoy getting mad every day.
@sneakypete you are absolutely correct; this is a political discussion board and you are entitled to your opinion and your point of view and are allowed to express it. There are those in this forum right now who may not agree with you, and you have the right not to agree with them, but that's as far as it should go. No name calling or derogatory remarks targeted towards another Briefer allowed.
I for one would miss you and hope that you will continue to post.
The campaign season is just barely starting and much can happen between now and '24.
Peace.
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If DeSantis was spreading lies about Trump and falsely attacking his record, I would be calling him out on it. I have a lengthy history of defending Trump when he has been falsely accused.
YUP. Me too. Truth is more important that any candidate, especially in this age of perpetual spin.
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@sneakypete
Believe me, if DeSantis starts preaching big government, I'll drop him like a hot rock - Just like I did Tumpy.
I like DeSantis and he's been a good governor for the most part and certainly is moving in the direction of a conservative.
However, I will never give him a free pass. Never. He has to earn my vote and if it turns out he's not who he says he is -- he will lose my vote.
It is very early in this campaign season -- we've got a long way to go till '24.
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@roamer_1
What POSSIBLE ACTUAL difference could it make?
@sneakypete
Yeah... TikTok uses the same argument. As did Twitter.
Good, bad, or indifferent, actual players should be declared.
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I like DeSantis and he's been a good governor for the most part and certainly is moving in the direction of a conservative.
However, I will never give him a free pass. Never. He has to earn my vote and if it turns out he's not who he says he is -- he will lose my vote.
It is very early in this campaign season -- we've got a long way to go till '24.
That's right... And BTW, I was super critical of certain aspects of Reagan's administration in real time too... He ain't a god, he's a man, warts and all.
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@sneakypete
Yeah... TikTok uses the same argument. As did Twitter.
Good, bad, or indifferent, actual players should be declared.
We make that same complaint about the main stream media. Shouldn't they have to declare themselves as an adjunct of the Democrat Party? No different here.
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We make that same complaint about the main stream media. Shouldn't they have to declare themselves as an adjunct of the Democrat Party? No different here.
That's right. And it ain't a matter of privacy either... No one is outing anyone, beyond that declaration.
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That's right. And it ain't a matter of privacy either... No one is outing anyone, beyond that declaration.
That's exactly right.
I asked a simple question, one that I have been thinking about since 2016...a simple yes or no would have sufficed... I have been curious how someone can support and defend the indefensible...and come prepared with data and talking points every day....and sometimes attacking other posters who don't agree with them....that MUST STOP!
I have NEVER asked a member for any personal info and I never will. If you want to share that info with fellow members we have The Lounge where no politics is allowed..where we share our daily life experiences...and I hope have a little fun.
This whole topic has been blown out of proportion..there is nothing sinister going on.
@jmyrlefuller what an excellent post you made..you should all read it if you haven't already.
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,501110.msg2841004.html#msg2841004
This is all I have to say on the matter.
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@mystery-ak
Well,if THAT is true,don't we also know who is being pimped out by the DeSantis campaign? Seems to ME there are more of them here throwing around accussations than there are Trump supporters,so I want to know "Are they DeSantis Tools?"
OR......,maybe we could just let people be themselves and make up our own minds if THEY are right or wrong about any particular issue?
MUST we go full-on "Huffington Post"?
PAID was the operative word that you omitted @sneakypete
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PAID was the operative word that you omitted @sneakypete
@corbe
What difference does it make if they were paid,or doing it on their own,when the end result is the same?
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Well stated, @jmyrlefuller .
Ditto -- I am just now catching up and reading all the 'ruckus' that has been created.
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Next we'll have Phizer azzholes paid to be in here pedaling their drugs, where do you draw the line? @sneakypete
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If this forum granted total anonymity to everybody who posted here, it'd be overloaded with trolls and spam.
The fact is, you have a username. You have an identity. You also have an IP address that, if the administrators wanted to, they could trace.
I get the desire for privacy in certain aspects of one's life. I don't use my first name on this forum—at least the public side of it—for that reason.
But any message board out there operates on the premise of good faith: that generally, people who post on there are who they say they are, and any ulterior motives for posting are publicly known. If someone is getting paid to post propaganda, and denying/obfuscating that fact, that's bad faith. I can assure you that I'm in no way important enough to have any political candidates or organizations paying me to carry their water, not that I could do that with a clear conscience.
If you're a paid operative or a Russian-backed agent of chaos, please say so. Your statement of "opinions that are an alternative to the majority of posters" is remarkably similar to the approach taken by RT, Russia's former propaganda arm here in America, so that would be consistent. Yet I can only speculate.
If you don't want to reveal your funding/sources, that's your decision—but don't complain when we assume the worst.
:hands: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
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At this point what difference does it make?
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@corbe
What difference does it make if they were paid,or doing it on their own,when the end result is the same?
It should make a difference @sneakypete - and I believe to most, it does. If someone is a paid shill for a campaign, they are just using you as a foil to influence the many guests and visitors to the site. They really do not care about your position or opinion on a matter - just that it gives them a platform to espouse the company line to influence or sway others.
That is not the premise of this forum.
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It should make a difference @sneakypete - and I believe to most, it does. If someone is a paid shill for a campaign, they are just using you as a foil to influence the many guests and visitors to the site. They really do not care about your position or opinion on a matter - just that it gives them a platform to espouse the company line to influence or sway others.
That is not the premise of this forum.
What total PREDICTIBLE wishy-washy bullshit, @Lando Lincoln
Shame on you!
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Well...
If she's a paid operative then we all know if she made any criticism of Trump she'd be out on her ass - because no criticism is tolerated. And I don't believe I've ever seen an actual criticism of him from her in the 7 ish years I've been here. Not one.
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What total PREDICTIBLE wishy-washy bullshit, @Lando Lincoln
Shame on you!
Indeed.
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What total PREDICTIBLE wishy-washy bullshit, @Lando Lincoln
Shame on you!
That's rich coming from you...
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That's rich coming from you...
There's nothing wishy-washy about me and you know it.
Sick and damned tired of all this virtue-signaling nonsense.
I understand that "The Internet is Forever", but if you can't post your honest opinion, you can stick it up your ass!
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What total PREDICTIBLE wishy-washy bullshit, @Lando Lincoln
Shame on you!
Seriously? It might have been predictable, in the sense that if someone is acting like a paid operative, knowing it would be nice, but I fail to see where it is wishy-washy bullshit.
It's a simple enough question; yes or no?
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It should make a difference @sneakypete - and I believe to most, it does. If someone is a paid shill for a campaign, they are just using you as a foil to influence the many guests and visitors to the site. They really do not care about your position or opinion on a matter - just that it gives them a platform to espouse the company line to influence or sway others.
That is not the premise of this forum.
@Lando Lincoln
I wasn't aware we were discussing the premise of this forum. I thought we were discussing the "Pro-DeSantis" versus the "Pro-Trump campaigns.
The purpose of this,and most other forums is to discuss the issues,even though lately the issues seem to take a back seat to the Popularity Contest that is going on.
The truth of the matter is that if you really look at the threads,the most popular ones are about pets,children,and similar subjects.
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Seriously? It might have been predictable, in the sense that if someone is acting like a paid operative, knowing it would be nice, but I fail to see where it is wishy-washy bullshit.
It's a simple enough question; yes or no?
Goddamnit! This is Amanda, we're talking about.
When she speaks, she is RIV...the same one has had her own opinion here for a decade, plus!
If she were a minister in her personal life, would that make her opinions on faith or politics any less legitimate?
When we talk about rocks and geology, we don't question you or @Lando Lincoln do we?
So suggest you all STFU and use your scroll bar.
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@Lando Lincoln
I wasn't aware we were discussing the premise of this forum. I thought we were discussing the "Pro-DeSantis" versus the "Pro-Trump campaigns.
The purpose of this,and most other forums is to discuss the issues,even though lately the issues seem to take a back seat to the Popularity Contest that is going on.
The truth of the matter is that if you really look at the threads,the most popular ones are about pets,children,and similar subjects.
I appreciate that, @sneakypete! I love the Pet Thread and the Memes.
But I have a special view, a unique one. I am one of the two Admins here, and my primary responsibility is to TBR, as a whole Forum. I have to pay attention to these squabbles and how they affect the Forum Members.
I must be careful to not take sides, and my adherence to this principle can be bloody difficult at times. I slip my lane sometimes.
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I appreciate that, @sneakypete! I love the Pet Thread and the Memes.
But I have a special view, a unique one. I am one of the two Admins here, and my primary responsibility is to TBR, as a whole Forum. I have to pay attention to these squabbles and how they affect the Forum Members.
I must be careful to not take sides, and my adherence to this principle can be bloody difficult at times. I slip my lane sometimes.
I don't give a single shit, @Cyber Liberty Shame on you and shame on your entire phony "mod" force.
You can't demand anybody to dox themselves just because they have a consistent POV/stance on a subject/candidate.
Can't believe you're even at this point.
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I don't give a single shit, @Cyber Liberty Shame on you and shame on your entire phony "mod" force.
You can't demand anybody to dox themselves just because they have a consistent POV/stance on a subject/candidate.
Can't believe you're even at this point.
I yam what I yam. Sorry to disappoint.
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Goddamnit! This is Amanda, we're talking about.
When she speaks, she is RIV...the same one has had her own opinion here for a decade, plus!
If she were a minister in her personal life, would that make her opinions on faith or politics any less legitimate?
When we talk about rocks and geology, we don't question you or @Lando Lincoln do we?
So suggest you all STFU and use your scroll bar.
Honestly @DCPatriot… there was nothing personal to my post. In any way. Period. But, feel free to accuse me personally.
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Honestly @DCPatriot… there was nothing personal to my post. In any way. Period. But, feel free to accuse me personally.
Don't play that game...am sick and tired of it.
Your total schtick on forums is one of the gentle wise sage, taking great pains not to throw jabs.
Doxxing is wrong. And demanding they dox themselves supports any accusation and/or charge.
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@corbe
What difference does it make if they were paid,or doing it on their own,when the end result is the same?
Because on a discussion board, it's not really the "end result" that matters -- it's the process of getting there. Having decent discussions with others is the actual goal. If someone is being paid to push particular opinions, that means they are not open to good arguments, or to admitting when they are wrong, etc.. It's basically a guarantee that they are arguing in bad fait that will say things they know to be false simply because they are getting paid.
All that being said, I would be surprised if @Right_in_Virginia is actually getting paid. Because if she was the type of person to be pushing a candidate while being paid and not disclosing that fact, why wouldn't she just lie and say "I am not being paid"? None of us could disprove that, and it would end that topic. I take her refusal to say as one based on principal rather than a desire to conceal that fact.
I could be wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
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I don't give a single shit, @Cyber Liberty Shame on you and shame on your entire phony "mod" force.
You can't demand anybody to dox themselves just because they have a consistent POV/stance on a subject/candidate.
Easy there, Francis. No one is demanding anybody to dox themselves. You made it up.
And no one is complaining about anyone having a consistent POV/stance on a subject/candidate. The primary complaint for quite some time has been the lies, false characterizations, and personal attacks. But then you knew that already.
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I don't give a single shit, @Cyber Liberty Shame on you and shame on your entire phony "mod" force.
You can't demand anybody to dox themselves just because they have a consistent POV/stance on a subject/candidate.
Disclosing whether or not you are being paid doesn't mean any definition of doxxing with which I am familiar. Doxxing is the disclosure of personally identifying information. Disclosing whether or not you are being paid doesn't tell people your RL identity.
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Doxxing if wrong.
Yep. Which is why no one here would ever demand that anyone do it. Ever.
And demanding they dox themselves supports any accusation and/or charge.
No one demanding that. No one. You simply made it up. Essentially, you are bearing false witness against the MODs here. And deep down, you know you're doing it.
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RON because Character Matters... No Victim Card falsely played in this reply.
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@Hoodat
Deep down I know that you're an irritating pr*ck!
"False witness" against the MODS? Eff you and eff your mods.
You falsely accused them of demanding a member be doxed. That is what is known as "bearing false witness". Of course you could always put me in my place by showing me a post where a MOD did exactly that. But you didn't. Instead, you resorted to personal insults and attacks.
You bleeping simpleton. You put @Right_in_Virginia in personal danger.
Really? How so? Explain exactly how I put her in personal danger. Please be specific.
If she were my wife, you'd be seeing me real soon!
Let's assume she is. Where would you like to meet?
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This is my way, I am not a bandwagon chaser. I don't see how I can check the box for Trump this time.
My exact thoughts and sentiments too. I am guessing there is somewhere between 1-3 million hard core conservatives like us that just might not vote for DJT in the general. Does he really think he can win without conservatives?
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Seems I have missed most of the fireworks, and I don't see anywhere earlier how any doxxing issues were evident.
OTOH, I will go strongly on record that if someone is on a general political forum, and is espousing onw particular candidate's cred 24/7/365. and is getting paid, said person with any shred of honesty and decency should disclose that fact.
That's the reason why on alll of my financial shows, op-eds by guests show discloure of that person's level of investment with the equity being discussed. That is in case the listener (reader) knows of any conflicting priorities.
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@Hoodat
Deep down I know that you're an irritating pr*ck!
"False witness" against the MODS? Eff you and eff your mods.
You bleeping simpleton. You put @Right_in_Virginia in personal danger.
If she were my wife, you'd be seeing me real soon!
Oh, the fricken pearl-clutching drama!
How is declaring oneself an agent 'doxxing'? It ain't.
And without doxxing, how was @Right_in_Virginia put in personal danger?
In fact, YOU told me her first name... Something I didn't know before.
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@Hoodat
Deep down I know that you're an irritating pr*ck!
"False witness" against the MODS? Eff you and eff your mods.
You bleeping simpleton. You put @Right_in_Virginia in personal danger.
If she were my wife, you'd be seeing me real soon!
Are you drinking? You aren't being rational.
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Are you drinking? You aren't being rational.
Unlike your apparent choice of 'poison', @DB, I virtually never touch alcohol.
Still have 2 Stella from a six-pack brought home over a year ago.
All I'm going to say is all of you had better back the bleep off on @Right_in_Virginia
The sooner one unconditionally apologizes, the better. No "buts"!
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Unlike your apparent choice of 'poison', @DB, I virtually never touch alcohol.
Still have 2 Stella from a six-pack brought home over a year ago.
All I'm going to say is all of you had better back the bleep off on @Right_in_Virginia
The sooner one unconditionally apologizes, the better. No "buts"!
Apologize for what? Bringing up the fact many of us wonder if she is a paid Trump operative?
I think in the theme of sincerity and accuracy, that one would disclose that bit of information. Motives often change or get intensfied when monetary gain is involved. I know I would.
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All I'm going to say is all of you had better back the bleep off on @Right_in_Virginia
The sooner one unconditionally apologizes, the better. No "buts"!
Go sit and spin. I have NOTHING to apologize for.
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Apologize for what? Bringing up the fact many of us wonder if she is a paid Trump operative?
I think in the theme of sincerity and accuracy, that one would disclose that bit of information. Motives often change or get intensfied when monetary gain is involved. I know I would.
@catfish1957 @Right_in_Virginia (out of respect)
First of all... I thought about your absence all day. Glad you're back. :beer:
Secondly, there's no issue with all of you "wondering". Knock yourselves out!
It's the brazen demand headed by our own 'Seventh Floor' that she declare any professional relationship.
F**K that!
Why? Because the Usual Wankers in the forum can't hold a candle to her in a debate of the facts.
She's relentless...and it 'kills' the NT's here....the same NTs who pretended to be supportive of POTUS Trump during his term...the ones who fell silent and went into hibernation.
They're all back and the brass here are getting aroused.
The Briefing Room must have called ServePro. It's like 2015 to 2020 never happened. /s
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Y'all started it.... Blowing the forum full of Stone/Pecker Truth Social grade A bullshit
You really think no one should challenge it after what y'all did to Cruz?
I have said over and over that we shouldn't start this crap up for at least a year... But here y'all come.
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Y'all started it.... Blowing the forum full of Stone/Pecker Truth Social grade A bullshit
You really think no one should challenge it after what y'all did to Cruz?
I have said over and over that we shouldn't start this crap up for at least a year... But here y'all come.
@roamer_1
Nope! YOU started it!
Your posting history the past year regarding POTUS Trump shows what a poser you were.
You didn't fool me for a New York Minute.
Your fiscal Conservative values...you use them like a Kevlar vest,...like you have some sort of Papal dispensation from any accountability for the present landscape we find ourselves. (not my circus...not my monkeys...remember?? I do)
Now all of a sudden you go from Cruz to DeSantis.
Like Donald Trump's 3 selections to the SCOTUS weren't a big deal...you declared you would NEVER vote for him.
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Your posting history the past year regarding POTUS Trump shows what a poser you were.
You didn't fool me for a New York Minute.
Your fiscal Conservative values...you use them like a Kevlar vest,...like you have some sort of Papal dispensation from any accountability for the present landscape we find ourselves. (not my circus...not my monkeys...remember?? I do)
Wasn't posing at all. I meant every single word of it. And I am right.
Now all of a sudden you go from Cruz to DeSantis.
Well that should be no surprise. Both Conservatives... Go figger. :shrug:
Like Donald Trump's 3 selections to the SCOTUS weren't a big deal...you declared you would NEVER vote for him.
I will never vote for him. Scotus doesn't make up for growing the debt by a full third, growing government by leaps and bounds, and doing real and lasting damage to liberty.
OF COURSE I won't vote for that.
Absolutely indefensible.
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@roamer_1
Nope! YOU started it!
Your posting history the past year regarding POTUS Trump shows what a poser you were.
You didn't fool me for a New York Minute.
Your fiscal Conservative values...you use them like a Kevlar vest,...like you have some sort of Papal dispensation from any accountability for the present landscape we find ourselves. (not my circus...not my monkeys...remember?? I do)
Now all of a sudden you go from Cruz to DeSantis.
Like Donald Trump's 3 selections to the SCOTUS weren't a big deal...you declared you would NEVER vote for him.
Trump didn’t select anyone to the Supreme Court. McConnell, with the assistance of the Federalist Society did. Trump simply STFU and did what he was told to do, and allowed to take all the credit. Which is about the only way to get an actual achievement out of Trump. Every time he tries to DIY, he ducks it up.
Getting undeserved credit is to Trump what ice cream is to Biden.
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Either one. The most important issue in the world today is to get the imbecilic Communist puppet fool and the people controlling him out of office.
Look, I never liked any Clinton, never voted for a single one. But Bubba would be light years ahead of the bumbling fool in the White House now. Clinton was a completely corrupt sex addict/abuser, but at least he was sentient, and cognizant of the world around him.
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Goddamnit! This is Amanda, we're talking about.
When she speaks, she is RIV...the same one has had her own opinion here for a decade, plus!
If she were a minister in her personal life, would that make her opinions on faith or politics any less legitimate?
When we talk about rocks and geology, we don't question you or @Lando Lincoln do we?
So suggest you all STFU and use your scroll bar.
When we talk about climate change, I make no secret of the fact that I have spent almost all of my geological career working for oil companies. (The Horror!).
As for STFU and scroll on, well, that just isn't why I am here. It isn't in my nature.
I'm not from the 'just sit there and take it/thank you sir may I have another' set (unlike the majority of the GOP in Congress--which is a big part of what got this country where it is) and for you to even suggest it is ridiculous.
It is admirable that you defend (whatever needs defending about) your friend, and as for doxxing, I never knew her name until now.
I make no secret about the source of my revenue, despite the industry which has brought America forward, and keeps it going that way (or in reverse, if you prefer) being under constant assault since I banned Captain Planet from my house for the raving about "evil Big Oil". I have often said that if I ever started an oil company, I'd name it "Big Oil" just so I could send lawyers after all the media for attacking it.
Lots of people make their money in politics. No one asked what, specifically, her job was, just if the Trump folks were cutting her a check. Maybe if they aren't they should be, she sure hauls their water. Pull the knot out of your panties.
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Trump didn’t select anyone to the Supreme Court. McConnell, with the assistance of the Federalist Society did. Trump simply STFU and did what he was told to do, and allowed to take all the credit. Which is about the only way to get an actual achievement out of Trump. Every time he tries to DIY, he ducks it up.
Getting undeserved credit is to Trump what ice cream is to Biden.
If Donald Trump hadn't won...the 2nd Amendment would already be repealed by Hillary Clinton's nominees added to the Court.
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If Donald Trump hadn't won...the 2nd Amendment would already be repealed by Hillary Clinton's nominees added to the Court.
Sure, which only means that the only purpose Trump served was as a figurehead so that people like McConnell and Ryan could get some things done.
Face facts: anything that Trump tried to do on his own initiative failed. Where is that wall? Trump couldn't get a measly coalition together - not even when the GOP controlled Congress - to enact laws to build the wall because he was getting too much adulation for calling the people whose help he needed petty childish names.
Trump was certainly working against headwinds - but then again, every good leader does - but he was his own worst enemy when it came to getting things done.
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All I'm going to say is all of you had better back the bleep off on @Right_in_Virginia
Or what? What are you threatening to do?
The sooner one unconditionally apologizes, the better. No "buts"!
Shouldn't you be the one apologizing here? Specifically for impugning the character of others here? Your false comment about me putting RiV's life in danger was especially egregious. And your comments about doxxing had zero truthful basis. Bearing false witness, and all.