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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: ABX on April 24, 2017, 06:53:55 pm
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Former Fox News host Alisyn Camerota is the latest woman to reveal that the network’s previous CEO Roger Ailes sexually harassed her.
In a sit-down Sunday on CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” Camerota detailed a toxic work environment in which Ailes allegedly made inappropriate sexual comments, solicited her for sex in exchange for more career opportunities and singled her out for not promoting conservative values......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alisyn-camerota-roger-ailes_us_58fcca0fe4b00fa7de1516c1
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Also this, from my friend who worked at Fox who shared this:
...there are virtually no younger female on-air talent at Fox that escaped sexual harassment from Ailes, O'Reilly and or top/mid-level execs. In 14 years at Fox almost every female friend of mine shared their harassment story with me and in essence said "there is nothing I can do except quit....If I go to HR I'm dead girl walking."
But the institutional sexual harassment of female employees is just the opener...What we disclose in the book about the real secrets buried at FNC will blow Fox News fans minds..."trust me.".....
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Pardon me if I do not give a shit. If things were this bad, why did they stay silent and not leave? These victims make it sound like they worked for God and that they would be struck down by lightning if they did anything to correct the problem.
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Pardon me if I do not give a shit. If things were this bad, why did they stay silent and not leave? These victims make it sound like they worked for God and that they would be struck down by lightning if they did anything to correct the problem.
Many did leave and apparently, they aren't remaining silent. Many are coming forward now, plus, who knows how many went to lawyers and settled (such as the $13 million in settlements O'Reilly alone had to pay).
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Many did leave and apparently, they aren't remaining silent. Many are coming forward now, plus, who knows how many went to lawyers and settled (such as the $13 million in settlements O'Reilly alone had to pay).
This has been going on for what appears to be 15 years and NOW they are just opening their mouths? Also if you take the hush money then run around claiming this or that, give the money back and take it to court, otherwise sit down and shut up.
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We saw a retraction earlier TODAY from one woman that had claimed Sean Hannity "harassed" her.
One person's "harassment," can apparently be another's mere passing remark, joke, comment, look, gesture, etc.
In our entitled, empowered, hyper-sensitive society, we SHOULD quickly get desensitized to this bullshit.
Previously "you look nice today" would be taken as a complement, but now it is "sexual harassment."
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I like the way they use "reveals" in the headline to substantiate the claim, and only later (once the reader's opinion has been formed) use "allegedly".
And I note there's a show on CNN called "Reliable Sources"? ???
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Apparently everything was just great as long as these 'victims' were drawing a paycheck.
In order to avoid this bullsh*t in the future any news outlet purporting to serve the conservative market will have to screen its employees for their ideological bent before hiring them.
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Hollyweird has a casting couch, I guess Fox News does too
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in which Ailes allegedly made inappropriate sexual comments, solicited her for sex in exchange for more career opportunities and singled her out for not promoting conservative values......
lol, he wasn't promoting conservative values either from the sound of it
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In the end it really doesn't matter what we think, just what the jury thinks.
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How much of this is a few gals claimed harassment and the rest are jumping on hoping to get a nice settlement? They know they cannot get by on their looks forever.
I can see one of two but now every Fox babe is claiming she was harrassed.
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Apparently everything was just great as long as these 'victims' were drawing a paycheck.
In order to avoid this bullsh*t in the future any news outlet purporting to serve the conservative market will have to screen its employees for their ideological bent before hiring them.
@skeeter
Or, as Gretchen Carlson explained, it's really easy to say, "why didn't you quit?" But if you've snared a good job at Fox and you have a family and bills to pay, it's not that easy to walk away.
She also said she gets the question "Why didn't you speak up before now?" and her simple answer was, well, look what happens when we do.
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Also this, from my friend who worked at Fox who shared this:
So its to sell books.
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@skeeter
Or, as Gretchen Carlson explained, it's really easy to say, "why didn't you quit?" But if you've snared a good job at Fox and you have a family and bills to pay, it's not that easy to walk away.
She also said she gets the question "Why didn't you speak up before now?" and her simple answer was, well, look what happens when we do.
Perfect point. Things are never black and white in an effort to not become homeless.
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Perfect point. Things are never black and white in an effort to not become homeless.
Thanks, @Wingnut.
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She also said she gets the question "Why didn't you speak up before now?" and her simple answer was, well, look what happens when we do.
Yeah. Mountains of cash are dolled out to victims and sleazy people get fired. Really terrible outcome.
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@skeeter
Or, as Gretchen Carlson explained, it's really easy to say, "why didn't you quit?" But if you've snared a good job at Fox and you have a family and bills to pay, it's not that easy to walk away.
She also said she gets the question "Why didn't you speak up before now?" and her simple answer was, well, look what happens when we do.
Yeah, I've been accused of this before. I worked for a manager who hired women based on looks. So we had two groups, one small group of engineers and a group of 15 women who were very attractive for the most part. Only about 1/3 could do their job.
Then the manager quit and they made me acting manager. The executives asked me to conduct daily training for the team that couldn't do their job. I would walk into the 8am training sessions and they'd be talking about their double Ds and other graphic things.
I got flashed more than once by women who were trying to get something. They ended up trying to get me fired so they started making false charges.
Does harrassmen happen? yes it does but its never as simple as they want you to believe. I'd wager it was a highly charged environment and everyone was ok with it as long as the money was rolling. Once the money stops then suddenly they were harrassed.
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@skeeter
Or, as Gretchen Carlson explained, it's really easy to say, "why didn't you quit?" But if you've snared a good job at Fox and you have a family and bills to pay, it's not that easy to walk away.
She also said she gets the question "Why didn't you speak up before now?" and her simple answer was, well, look what happens when we do.
I hear you, @CatherineofAragon, but she had a choice and she took the shut-up-and-take-the-money choice. IMHO doesn't give her a lot of room to complain, and brings into question the veracity of her claim.
Doing the right thing frequently is difficult and may cause pain. She chose to not do the right thing. I don't have much respect for that.
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Perfect point. Things are never black and white in an effort to not become homeless.
Yes, her children were going to starve if she did the right thing and spoke up. Or, go homeless or something.
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Yeah. Mountains of cash are dolled out to victims and sleazy people get fired. Really terrible outcome.
And conservative men ripping them up one side and down another, automatically dismissing their claims.
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Perfect point. Things are never black and white in an effort to not become homeless.
LOL. Her husband is the top grossing sports agent in the business. I guess she really had to keep working in that disgusting office to keep food on the table.
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And conservative men ripping them up one side and down another, automatically dismissing their claims.
You take a payoff you deserve no sympathy. All of this mess at FOX could have been cleared up decades ago if these women went public with their charges and took people to court. Instead they took bribes to shut up and go away allowing others to be abused as well. It stinks.
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Perfect point. Things are never black and white in an effort to not become homeless.
@Wingnut
Oh, I missed your sarcasm. Forget the thanks.
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I hear you, @CatherineofAragon, but she had a choice and she took the shut-up-and-take-the-money choice. IMHO doesn't give her a lot of room to complain, and brings into question the veracity of her claim.
Doing the right thing frequently is difficult and may cause pain. She chose to not do the right thing. I don't have much respect for that.
@Sanguine
Nope. I've been there. When I finally told my boss what happened, he couldn't believe it. "Why didn't you tell me?" me asked over and over. I was lucky to have a boss like that.
It's not all that easy to walk away from any job, much less a plum one at Fox News. I know that, too.
Ailes and O'Reilly were the ones who didn't do the right thing. But here we are, blaming the women for it, saying they have no right to complain. It's unbelievable, really. And it's BS.
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You take a payoff you deserve no sympathy. All of this mess at FOX could have been cleared up decades ago if these women went public with their charges and took people to court. Instead they took bribes to shut up and go away allowing others to be abused as well. It stinks.
@Frank Cannon
And if they'd gone public earlier, the reaction would have been no different.
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@Sanguine
Nope. I've been there. When I finally told my boss what happened, he couldn't believe it. "Why didn't you tell me?" me asked over and over. I was lucky to have a boss like that.
It's not all that easy to walk away from any job, much less a plum one at Fox News. I know that, too.
Ailes and O'Reilly were the ones who didn't do the right thing. But here we are, blaming the women for it, saying they have no right to complain. It's unbelievable, really. And it's BS.
I've been there too. Spoke up and paid for it.
And, no, I'm not blaming women. However, whenever you fight evil, you have to expect some blow-back.
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@Wingnut
Oh, I missed your sarcasm. Forget the thanks.
Nope. I was serious. No sarcasm.
@CatherineofAragon
These other clowns on thier high horses think it's easy to make the decision.
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@Frank Cannon
And if they'd gone public earlier, the reaction would have been no different.
If they came forward earlier and took the cases to court, like they are supposed to, it would have ended the cycle of abuse they claim. Instead this thing was allowed to fester for decades.
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I've been there too. Spoke up and paid for it.
And, no, I'm not blaming women. However, whenever you fight evil, you have to expect some blow-back.
@Sanguine
No, that's exactly what's happening. The women are being raked across the coals.
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He said, She said, Should have said something earlier, right for her to kept her mouth shut...both sides actually give good points, @CatherineofAragon @Frank Cannon
All of this is bickering today between the sexes is getting worse very day and is exactly why sex dolls when the get perfected and humanlike and the stigma is no longer men are going to go MGTOW big time on real women.
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Nope. I was serious. No sarcasm.
@CatherineofAragon
These other clowns on thier high horses think it's easy to make the decision.
@Wingnut
My apologies to you.
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If they came forward earlier and took the cases to court, like they are supposed to, it would have ended the cycle of abuse they claim. Instead this thing was allowed to fester for decades.
If those bag-faced old perverts hadn't created an environment where women could do their jobs without fear of losing them, like they were supposed to, there wouldn't be an issue. Blame the perverts. There isn't a single one of us who can say when they should have come forward.
The fact that the abuse continued wasn't the women's fault. Jesus.
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@Wingnut
My apologies to you.
:)
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He said, She said, Should have said something earlier, right for her to kept her mouth shut...both sides actually give good points, @CatherineofAragon @Frank Cannon
All of this is bickering today between the sexes is getting worse very day and is exactly why sex dolls when the get perfected and humanlike and the stigma is no longer men are going to go MGTOW big time on real women.
@mirraflake
Are you kidding---you think men are the only ones who will?
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@mirraflake
Are you kidding---you think men are the only ones who will?
You are right. Real Dolls also make a male version. Read the 400+ comment thread on marriage yesterday on FR. Yowza. Thought there was going to be CWII among the male and female posters.
@CatherineofAragon
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You are right. Real Dolls also make a male version. Read the 400+ comment thread on marriage yesterday on FR. Yowza. Thought there was going to be CWII among the male and female posters.
@CatherineofAragon
@mirraflake
Thanks, I needed something funny to read.
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@mirraflake
Thanks, I needed something funny to read.
Ever notice on those marriage-divorce threads on FR, male and female posters alike, there are 3 basic themes.
1. It's always the ex who was the sh*t in the marriage. You never read..."You know I really screwed up my marriage, was an idiot, demanded too much and should have been a better spouse".
2. American women suck. Asian women are traditional wives.
3. Freepers are all super intelligent, Look like a model, 10,000 dollar a day ceo at age 25 but yet can't find a spouse because there are no good ones left.
@CatherineofAragon
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Ever notice on those marriage-divorce threads on FR, male and female posters alike, there are 3 basic themes.
1. It's always the ex who was the sh*t in the marriage. You never read..."You know I really screwed up my marriage, was an idiot, demanded too much and should have been a better spouse".
2. American women suck. Asian women are traditional wives.
3. Freepers are all super intelligent, Look like a model, 10,000 dollar a day ceo at age 25 but yet can't find a spouse because there are no good ones left.
@CatherineofAragon
I notice on the internet, that people like me with 49 years of (one) marriage, give out LESS marriage advice than people who have never married, or have a couple of failed marriages.
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She also said she gets the question "Why didn't you speak up before now?" and her simple answer was, well, look what happens when we do.
@CatherineofAragon
Plenty of evidence for which can be found on a few too many threads here.
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I think they are all liars and are being paid to smear the men they are picking on. One thing I learned out in the working world the women who claimed this many times put themselves out there way to much and basically caused it to happen. I was a beautiful women in the work world and never did i ever give out vibrations or go around touching men and I never received any harassment. It is all in the way you handle yourself. Some women when around men can't seem to help themselves they flirt then complain about it when someone flirts back.
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I think they are all liars and are being paid to smear the men they are picking on. One thing I learned out in the working world the women who claimed this many times put themselves out there way to much and basically caused it to happen. I was a beautiful women in the work world and never did i ever give out vibrations or go around touching men and I never received any harassment. It is all in the way you handle yourself. Some women when around men can't seem to help themselves they flirt then complain about it when someone flirts back.
@raml
Of course. Every single woman who accused O'Reilly and Ailes has been lying. Even going back over a decade.
Stop being a doormat. No one is awarding you points or pats on the head.
And as someone who has dealt with sexual harassment, you need to check yourself, sister, before you try to tell me I went around touching men, or that I caused it. You read me?
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@CatherineofAragon
Plenty of evidence for which can be found on a few too many threads here.
@EasyAce
I know, right?
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If those bag-faced old perverts hadn't created an environment where women could do their jobs without fear of losing them, like they were supposed to, there wouldn't be an issue. Blame the perverts. There isn't a single one of us who can say when they should have come forward.
The fact that the abuse continued wasn't the women's fault. Jesus.
It sure as shit was. It takes two to tango here and there are so many GD laws on the books about this shit that there is no excuse to let this stuff happen. You make it sound as though this is the 1960's Mad Men era. It ain't. Beyond that we have ultra Lib Camerota showing up way late to the dance to accuse people of stuff that happened years ago. She continued to work there without any problems after these alleged abuses and went on to work at another channel not saying a word about the "disgusting" things going on at FOX. Wonder why?
These accusers who went about their business without trying to stop it are just as guilty for future abuses as the azzholes who were grabbing asses at the channel. There was a willing a ready MSM just dying to expose this stuff and destroy FOX.
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It sure as shit was. It takes two to tango here and there are so many GD laws on the books about this shit that there is no excuse to let this stuff happen. You make it sound as though this is the 1960's Mad Men era. It ain't. Beyond that we have ultra Lib Camerota showing up way late to the dance to accuse people of stuff that happened years ago. She continued to work there without any problems after these alleged abuses and went on to work at another channel not saying a word about the "disgusting" things going on at FOX. Wonder why?
These accusers who went about their business without trying to stop it are just as guilty for future abuses as the azzholes who were grabbing asses at the channel. There was a willing a ready MSM just dying to expose this stuff and destroy FOX.
@Frank Cannon
That's exactly what it was at Fox News with Ailes and O'Reilly. I described it as being a Vegas rat pack, but you nailed it better than I did. What else would you call a workplace where the hotshot men feel free to try and force the women to sleep with them if they want to keep their jobs and make it clear that anyone who complains gets the boot?
Yep, Camerota is a liberal, and she's just one more in a loooooong line of women. Are they all lying? You really think so? If so, why? Why struggle so hard to protect a couple of sleazes and instead shift the blame off on the women who had to put up with them? What about the friend who described the situation at Fox to @AbaraXas----is that just another lie in the grand conspiracy?
You're right, Camerota said Ailes abused her after being at CNN for, I don't know, a while? A few years? Not sure exactly. But I saw her interview with Margaret Hoover---Hoover was talking about her experiences with O'Reilly, and Camerota chimed in with her own. Pretty natural since she used to work there, too. Why keep shut about it?
No, you're wrong. The women are not to blame. It's not easy to leave any job, and it would be even harder to leave a really good one when you don't know if you'll be blacklisted when you do. Personally I don't give a crap what happens to Fox. It's a pit. They're not even good at giving the news. They're no more fair and balanced than MSNBC.
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@Frank Cannon
That's exactly what it was at Fox News with Ailes and O'Reilly. I described it as being a Vegas rat pack, but you nailed it better than I did. What else would you call a workplace where the hotshot men feel free to try and force the women to sleep with them if they want to keep their jobs and make it clear that anyone who complains gets the boot?
Yep, Camerota is a liberal, and she's just one more in a loooooong line of women. Are they all lying? You really think so? If so, why? Why struggle so hard to protect a couple of sleazes and instead shift the blame off on the women who had to put up with them? What about the friend who described the situation at Fox to @AbaraXas----is that just another lie in the grand conspiracy?
You're right, Camerota said Ailes abused her after being at CNN for, I don't know, a while? A few years? Not sure exactly. But I saw her interview with Margaret Hoover---Hoover was talking about her experiences with O'Reilly, and Camerota chimed in with her own. Pretty natural since she used to work there, too. Why keep shut about it?
No, you're wrong. The women are not to blame. It's not easy to leave any job, and it would be even harder to leave a really good one when you don't know if you'll be blacklisted when you do. Personally I don't give a crap what happens to Fox. It's a pit. They're not even good at giving the news. They're no more fair and balanced than MSNBC.
I refuse to let you have the last word on this so I will summarize by telling you that you are wrong.
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I refuse to let you have the last word on this so I will summarize by telling you that you are wrong.
@Frank Cannon
I would never try to have the last word.
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@Frank Cannon
I would never try to have the last word.
I do like to have the last word.
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@Frank Cannon
I would never try to have the last word.
Good, because here are some more last words.
If someone is coming into a neighborhood and stealing cars and robbing houses and everyone just lets it happen because they don't want any retaliation or to make waves, then those people deserve to be beat down by criminals. Same thing with what was going on at FOX (if the allegations are true). People kept letting these illegal activities continue. Some were bribed to keep their mouths shut which is also unconscionable. No one stood up for themselves or others. You reap what you sow.
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I do like to have the last word.
That's good to know.
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That's good to know.
Word.
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If those bag-faced old perverts hadn't created an environment where women could do their jobs without fear of losing them, like they were supposed to, there wouldn't be an issue. Blame the perverts. There isn't a single one of us who can say when they should have come forward.
The fact that the abuse continued wasn't the women's fault. Jesus.
So who got all that payoff money?
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Word.
Out.
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Good, because here are some more last words.
If someone is coming into a neighborhood and stealing cars and robbing houses and everyone just lets it happen because they don't want any retaliation or to make waves, then those people deserve to be beat down by criminals. Same thing with what was going on at FOX (if the allegations are true). People kept letting these illegal activities continue. Some were bribed to keep their mouths shut which is also unconscionable. No one stood up for themselves or others. You reap what you sow.
@Frank Cannon
Not the same.
And that, my friend, is the last word and the gospel truth.
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I do like to have the last word.
@Sanguine
I lied.
:silly:
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So who got all that payoff money?
@Bigun
I don't know nor care. Fox deserved to pay somehow, don't you think?
But here again, rake the victims over the coals. It won't wash with me.
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[quote author=CatherineofAragon
I don't know nor care. Fox deserved to pay somehow, don't you think?
But here again, rake the victims over the coals. It won't wash with me.
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@CatherineofAragon
My point is that someone, or several, did not remain silent else there would have been no payments. I think there is enough blame here for all involved.
If Ailes and O'Reilly are innocent they should not have tried to appease their accusers. And if the women truly suffered abuse they should not have been so willing to take the money and run.
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@Frank Cannon
Not the same.
And that, my friend, is the last word and the gospel truth.
So sayeth you, not me.