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Title: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National New
Post by: mountaineer on July 11, 2020, 10:52:47 pm
Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National News
Cassandra Fairbanks
Published July 11, 2020 at 5:26pm
Gateway Pundit
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A fire destroyed Faith Tabernacle Pentecostal Church in Elkmont, Alabama Friday night.

On Saturday a man drove into a church in Ocala, Florida, before lighting it on fire.

Next, a fire destroyed the roof of 249-Year-Old San Gabriel Mission Church in California.

Despite three churches burning across the country in just over 24 hours, you’re unlikely to have heard about it if you are only following mainstream media. It is highly unlikely that there would have been this kind of silence if the arsonists were right-wing or if they the places of worship been any other religion. ...
More at Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/three-churches-burned-just-24-hours-wouldnt-know-watch-national-news/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons)

Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: libertybele on July 11, 2020, 10:58:01 pm
Our Republic is still under attack and nothing is being done.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: mountaineer on July 11, 2020, 11:09:03 pm
Here's the story out of Florida:
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Florida Man Sets Fire Inside Catholic Church In Ocala After Plowing Van Inside
July 11, 2020 at 3:41 pm

MIAMI (CBSMiami/AP) – A driver plowed into a church in Ocala and then set it on fire as parishioners prepared for Mass Saturday, but no one was hurt, authorities said. A potential suspect is in custody.

The Marion County Sheriff’s Office told reporters that a man crashed a minivan through the front doors of Queen of Peace Catholic Church at about 7:30 a.m. as those inside prepared for morning services.

The man got out and threw some kind of incendiary device, causing a fire that resulted in extensive damage to the building. ...
CBS Miami (https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/07/11/florida-man-sets-fire-inside-catholic-church-in-ocala-after-plowing-van-inside/)
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: mountaineer on July 11, 2020, 11:12:27 pm
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‘It's Heartbreaking': Historic 249-Year-Old San Gabriel Mission Damaged in Fire
Extensive damage was reported to the roof and inside the building, a significant part of Southern California's history
By Jonathan Lloyd   â€¢ Published 6 hours ago   â€¢ Updated 19 mins ago   


An early morning fire caused extensive damage Saturday to the nearly 250-year-old San Gabriel Mission, a landmark in the history of Southern California that contains artifacts dating to the late 1700s.

Details about the cause of the fire at the historic mission at 428 South Mission Drive in San Gabriel were not immediately available.  ...
NBC Los Angeles (https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/san-gabriel-mission-fire-damage-historic-church-los-angeles/2394627/)

(https://media.nbclosangeles.com/2020/07/GettyImages-1255629269.jpg?fit=5568%2C3498)

At this point, they're saying it doesn't appear to be arson.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: mountaineer on July 11, 2020, 11:14:49 pm
The California fire did get some national coverage, but not the others. The Alabama fire received local news coverage (https://whnt.com/news/limestone-county-church-on-fire/).
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Applewood on July 11, 2020, 11:47:24 pm
My tired old eyes don't see a confirmation of arson as the cause of some of these fires.  Could it be that some of these fires were accidents or maybe weather related?  I mention the latter because about 75 miles north of my neck of the woods, a church sustained some minor fire damage from a lightning strike (had some nasty storms in this area at the time the fire broke out). 

Gonna wait for an official cause before I jump off the deep end as Gateway Pundit has done.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: libertybele on July 12, 2020, 12:07:05 am
My tired old eyes don't see a confirmation of arson as the cause of some of these fires.  Could it be that some of these fires were accidents or maybe weather related?  I mention the latter because about 75 miles north of my neck of the woods, a church sustained some minor fire damage from a lightning strike (had some nasty storms in this area at the time the fire broke out). 

Gonna wait for an official cause before I jump off the deep end as Gateway Pundit has done.

One of the previous posts indicates that a FL man set fire to a church --- that doesn't seem to me to be accidental or weather related.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: 240B on July 12, 2020, 12:17:13 am
If they were what the media calls, 'a Black Church', it would be all over the news 24/7.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Applewood on July 12, 2020, 12:19:37 am
One of the previous posts indicates that a FL man set fire to a church --- that doesn't seem to me to be accidental or weather related.

Yes, I did see that.  Obviously, that fire was arson.  But in a few cases it is specifically stated that the cause of the fires is under investigation.  Gateway Pundit seems to have ignored that part of the story and is screaming these fires are all the work of anarchists.  My point is, we don't know that yet.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 12, 2020, 12:23:49 am
Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National News
Cassandra Fairbanks
Published July 11, 2020 at 5:26pm
Gateway PunditMore at Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/three-churches-burned-just-24-hours-wouldnt-know-watch-national-news/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons)

YUP. Islamization of America.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
***Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.***

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.**** The religious component is a beard for all the other components.***
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called**** ‘religious rights.’***
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
***From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ). (Already done in USA at Walmart)

At this point,10%,  they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Obamcare does not have penalties for muslims ,only infidels in this country. ........truncated. ( I have more if anyone needs it. )

1- Jihad, defined as****** "to war against non-Muslims *****to establish the religion," *****is the**** duty of every Muslim***** and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

34-It is ***obligatory for a Muslim to lie *****if the purpose is obligatory. That means that for the ****sake of abiding with Islam's commandments, such as jihad,**** a Muslim is obliged to lie**** and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying."
http://www.lady-patriots.com/... (http://www.lady-patriots.com/...)

The leader and founder of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) Omar M. Ahmad said:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant,” he said. “The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,” 2014
 
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 12, 2020, 12:30:50 am
If they were what the media calls, 'a Black Church', it would be all over the news 24/7.

Correct.  I never understand why people start making EXCUSES, when something bad happens?  Denial issues?
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 12, 2020, 12:37:10 am
Steven Anthony Shields ,   ANTIFA IDIOT?   LOOKS LIKE IT.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 12, 2020, 12:57:13 am
YUP. Islamization of America.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
***Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.***

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.**** The religious component is a beard for all the other components.***
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called**** ‘religious rights.’***
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
***From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ). (Already done in USA at Walmart)

At this point,10%,  they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Obamcare does not have penalties for muslims ,only infidels in this country. ........truncated. ( I have more if anyone needs it. )

1- Jihad, defined as****** "to war against non-Muslims *****to establish the religion," *****is the**** duty of every Muslim***** and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

34-It is ***obligatory for a Muslim to lie *****if the purpose is obligatory. That means that for the ****sake of abiding with Islam's commandments, such as jihad,**** a Muslim is obliged to lie**** and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying."
http://www.lady-patriots.com/... (http://www.lady-patriots.com/...)

The leader and founder of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) Omar M. Ahmad said:
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant,” he said. “The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth,” 2014
 



Look, this muslim painted the BLM sign in front of Trump Tower.  Takeover. 
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb95hcWKe_E#)

Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2020, 08:13:35 am
For Muslims there is nothing to discuss. It is written,  referring to the Koran, is the end of the discussion. FOr them, there is one worldview, one goal, the dar al Islam.

It's up to us infidels to stop that.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: catfish1957 on July 12, 2020, 08:42:53 am
Yep, MSM has taken the heat slightly off the BLM is God burner, and is now on full blown "COVID-19's Trumps fault" mode.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2020, 08:58:59 am
Yep, MSM has taken the heat slightly of the BLM is God burner, and is now on full blown "COVID-19's Trumps fault" mode.
While the riots persist, it's back to pushing for the "second Wave" of economic destruction and voting by mail.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: mountaineer on July 12, 2020, 12:46:03 pm
California mission fire being investigated:
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...  The blaze came amid a backlash against California missions and other colonial monuments that for many serve as painful reminders of the nation’s racist history. For that reason, investigators, including a representative from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, were looking into whether it was intentionally set, officials said. ...

In addition to destroying the lives of Native Californians, the mission system has deeply tarnished the image of Serra, its architect, who has long been considered one of California’s founding fathers. Serra was made a saint by the Catholic Church in 2015, fueling outrage from many indigenous activists and others.

Statues of Serra have been targets of vandalism in recent years by activists who point to how the mission system enslaved and killed off Native Californians. Those protests grew in the wake of the police killing of George Floyd, which ignited a nationwide reckoning over racial justice. A Serra statue at Olvera Street was toppled, and officials in Ventura pledged to move a statue of Serra that stands outside City Hall.

The San Gabriel Mission also features a statue of Serra, and officials stepped up security around its grounds about two weeks ago, Huerta said. ...
L.A. Times (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-11/san-gabriel-mission-fire)

The article recounts the history of Junipero Serra, the mission and the relationship with the indigenous peoples he allegedly abused.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2020, 12:58:06 pm
Interesting that the activist groups became more active with the George Floyd (BLM) protests.
Are the activist groups (not named0 in question also Marxist in nature?
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 12, 2020, 04:14:27 pm
Let's see ... the fire at Faith Temple in Alabama happened two days ago, cause unknown. It got coverage from at least three local TV stations and at least one local newspaper (try Google or Duck Duck Go before claiming a MSM cover-up, mmmmkay?). Why would it get national coverage?

The Ocala, FL fire got lots of local, national, and even international coverage. Again, your search engine is your friend. Looks like the guy, Steven Anthony Shields, is an off-his-meds mental case.

And as should be no surprise, the San Gabriel Mission fire also got lots of local and national coverage (the mission is in the LA area, and the NY Time, NY Post, and a Boston TV station covered it ... is that national enough?!). While it may be arson, the cause is still under investigation and nothing is known yet about who and why.

Any time you see a claim that the MSM have covered up or not at all covered a story, take a minute or two with your search-engine-of-choice. I've done that a lot and have found all but one such claim to have been false. Gateway Pundit is not very good at fact-checking in my experience with their more lurid claims.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 12, 2020, 04:39:50 pm

Look, this muslim painted the BLM sign in front of Trump Tower.  Takeover. 


Mayor deBlasio had that done. I've seen no indication he is a Muslim.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Applewood on July 12, 2020, 04:51:09 pm
@PeteS in CA

Gateway Pundit used to be fairly reliable for a secondary source of news.  But lately, it's been sounding more and more like the National Enquirer.  You are correct to advise people to look for other sources before assuming what Gateway Pundit posts is accurate.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 12, 2020, 04:58:46 pm
Mayor deBlasio had that done. I've seen no indication he is a Muslim.
He left North Africa 10 years ago, by his admission, most countries there are heavily Muslim.
(Not De Blasio, but the guy who was jabbering at the guy who wanted to talk.)
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: verga on July 12, 2020, 05:01:06 pm
Mayor deBlasio had that done. I've seen no indication he is a Muslim.
No, but it is a clear indication he is a complete and utter F%^K!NG moron.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 12, 2020, 05:12:59 pm
No, but it is a clear indication he is a complete and utter F%^K!NG moron.

Unquestionably, IMO. Though it isn't the greatest proof of that.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: mountaineer on July 12, 2020, 05:19:10 pm
Let's see ... the fire at Faith Temple in Alabama happened two days ago, cause unknown. It got coverage from at least three local TV stations and at least one local newspaper (try Google or Duck Duck Go before claiming a MSM cover-up, mmmmkay?). Why would it get national coverage?
I searched Google news and found ONE local story about the Alabama story. I also pointed out above  that the article was wrong in saying there was no national coverage of the California fire. My posting of  an article does not imply complete agreement with it, especially when I point out inaccuracies in it. Believe it or not, I do know how to use search engines, and do so whenever I post an article whose claims seem sketchy. But thanks ever so much for the counsel.

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 12, 2020, 05:43:11 pm
I searched Google news and found ONE local story about the Alabama story. ...

Duck Duck Go search phrase, "Faith Tabernacle Pentecostal Church Elkmont, Alabama fire", "News" tab:

https://www.waff.com/2020/07/10/elkmont-church-destroyed-fire/ (https://www.waff.com/2020/07/10/elkmont-church-destroyed-fire/)

https://whnt.com/news/limestone-county-church-on-fire/ (https://whnt.com/news/limestone-county-church-on-fire/)

https://www.waaytv.com/content/news/Church-fire-reported-in-Elkmont-571713151.html (https://www.waaytv.com/content/news/Church-fire-reported-in-Elkmont-571713151.html)

https://www.enewscourier.com/news/local_news/first-responders-on-scene-of-elkmont-church-fire/article_2104c4a4-c30d-11ea-80ff-47cdea55c194.html (https://www.enewscourier.com/news/local_news/first-responders-on-scene-of-elkmont-church-fire/article_2104c4a4-c30d-11ea-80ff-47cdea55c194.html)
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: mountaineer on July 12, 2020, 08:23:03 pm
Yeah, that's pretty much what I sought. Why the condescension?
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 12, 2020, 08:42:17 pm
He left North Africa 10 years ago, by his admission, most countries there are heavily Muslim.
(Not De Blasio, but the guy who was jabbering at the guy who wanted to talk.)

CORRECT.  The guy who was painting the BLM sign is a muslim. Not de Blasio.  How did he think it was Bill?  Does NOT matter if a muslim lives in America or EVEN takes an oath for America. Like the BOSTON BOMBERS..said, they lied

 (A muslim is someone who follows Koran teachings.  Not all ARABS or people from M.E. are muslims, but MOST ARE. For a certain poster on here, who I think, is here to undermine our country. Not you.)


1- Jihad, defined as** "to war against non-Muslims **to establish the religion," *is the* duty of every Muslim**and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.

34-It is *obligatory for a Muslim to lie **if the purpose is obligatory. That means that for the ****sake of abiding with Islam's commandments, such as jihad,** a Muslim is obliged to lie** and should not have any feelings of guilt or shame associated with this kind of lying."
http://www.lady-patriots.com/... (http://www.lady-patriots.com/...)
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 12, 2020, 08:46:41 pm
The California fire did get some national coverage, but not the others. The Alabama fire received local news coverage (https://whnt.com/news/limestone-county-church-on-fire/).

I understood your title.  Not much NATIONAL NEWS.....ROUND THE CLOCK....
I agree & understood your point. Seems others don't. 
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: Applewood on July 14, 2020, 02:33:39 am
Now this is arson:

Virgin Mary statue set on fire at Boston church, officials say

https://www.bing.com/search?q=WCVB+Boston+Virgin+Mary+Statue+Set+on+Fire&form=ANNTH1&refig=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce&sp=-1&pq=wcvb+boston+virgin+mary+statue+set+on+fire&sc=0-42&qs=n&sk=&cvid=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce (https://www.bing.com/search?q=WCVB+Boston+Virgin+Mary+Statue+Set+on+Fire&form=ANNTH1&refig=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce&sp=-1&pq=wcvb+boston+virgin+mary+statue+set+on+fire&sc=0-42&qs=n&sk=&cvid=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce)

Title: Catholic Churches Across The Country Burned, Vandalized Over The Weekend
Post by: rangerrebew on July 14, 2020, 01:53:57 pm
 
Catholic Churches Across The Country Burned, Vandalized Over The Weekend
By  Emily Zanotti
 
Jul 13th, 2020   DailyWire.com
 

At least four Catholic churches in four states were vandalized over the weekend in a string of attacks that have authorities wondering whether religious icons and statues are next to be targeted by anti-racism and “anti-fascist” protesters.

Fox News reports that churches in California, New York, Massachusetts, and Florida were all targeted by vandals, and several historic churches suffered major damage in arson attacks.

“A man in Florida plowed his vehicle into the Queen of Peace Catholic Church as it was preparing for morning Mass on Saturday, poured gasoline in the foyer, and then set the building on fire before driving off, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office reports,” according to Fox.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/catholic-churches-across-the-country-burned-vandalized-over-the-weekend?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=071320-news&utm_campaign=position3 (https://www.dailywire.com/news/catholic-churches-across-the-country-burned-vandalized-over-the-weekend?itm_source=parsely-api&utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=071320-news&utm_campaign=position3)
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: sneakypete on July 14, 2020, 02:38:09 pm
One was a fundie "speaks in tongues" church,one was a Catholic Church,and chances are the third one was also Catholic.

In other words,the focus was on Christianity,not religion itself.

If *I* were leading up that investigation,I would be thinking "Islam".
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: sneakypete on July 14, 2020, 02:40:49 pm
If they were what the media calls, 'a Black Church', it would be all over the news 24/7.

@240B

That's how we all know they were Cracka Churches.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: sneakypete on July 14, 2020, 02:43:15 pm

Look, this muslim painted the BLM sign in front of Trump Tower.  Takeover. 
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb95hcWKe_E#)

@LegalAmerican

And he defaced public property while the media looked on and the police did nothing.

Tells you a little about the rule of law in NYC,doesn't it?
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 14, 2020, 04:06:22 pm
@LegalAmerican

And he defaced public property while the media looked on and the police did nothing.

Tells you a little about the rule of law in NYC,doesn't it?

@sneakypete I've posted it in this thread twice already: This is Mayor deBlah-Blah's doing, not some random Muslim with stencils and paint. deBlah-Blah authorized it and ordered that it be done.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/24/de-blasio-plans-to-install-blm-mural-in-front-of-trump-tower/

https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/de-blasio-blames-trump-for-blm-mural-by-trump-tower-controversy/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-de-blasio-plaints-black-lives-matter-street/story?id=71690137
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: PeteS in CA on July 14, 2020, 04:11:40 pm
Any chance this thread could get back in the same county as its rails? You know, go back to its original topic? *****rollingeyes*****

DDGing around a bit, the Alabama fire is still under investigation. The building had not been used for services or gatherings since March. The fire started in the sanctuary. One not quite wild speculation I would suggest is homeless squatters who started a fire for cooking or ?? ... or maybe Magenta-Spotted Chartreuse Neptunians.

As for the Mission fire, https://www.dailynews.com/2020/07/13/san-gabriel-mission-church-fire-began-in-choir-loft-official-says/ (https://www.dailynews.com/2020/07/13/san-gabriel-mission-church-fire-began-in-choir-loft-official-says/) , it also is under investigation still. Apparently the fire started in the choir loft, rather an odd place I would think for arson (the risk of being trapped in the fire would seem rather high). But given recent @#$%ing on historical figures and structures, arson does seem very plausible, with BLM//Antifoid types being likely culprits. The Mission is about a mile and a quarter from the I-10 freeway, just east of Los Angeles (in Alhambra, I think), so easy access and egress for arsonists.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on July 14, 2020, 04:45:52 pm
I hear we're up to 7 churches now?
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Post by: GrouchoTex on July 14, 2020, 07:19:50 pm
I hear we're up to 7 churches now?

Wow
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Post by: catfish1957 on July 14, 2020, 07:26:43 pm
Wow

MSM silence abounds....
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Post by: GrouchoTex on July 14, 2020, 07:28:28 pm
MSM silence abounds....

I hadn't heard anything about it, but here....
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Post by: catfish1957 on July 14, 2020, 07:30:59 pm
I hadn't heard anything about it, but here....

But but but.....  The MSN news feed headlines someone vandalizing the BLM street sign across from Trump Tower.   That's big news.  (/s)
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Post by: GrouchoTex on July 14, 2020, 07:32:03 pm
But but but.....  The MSN news feed headlines someone vandalizing the BLM street sign across from Trump Tower.   That's big news.  (/s)

The headline on that story said "Vandal"

Looks like they misspelled "Hero"
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Post by: sneakypete on July 14, 2020, 09:11:11 pm
@sneakypete

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I've posted it in this thread twice already: This is Mayor deBlah-Blah's doing, not some random Muslim with stencils and paint. deBlah-Blah authorized it and ordered that it be done.

And WHO in NYC gives the cops orders on what crimes to focus on,and what crimes to ignore?
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Post by: LegalAmerican on July 19, 2020, 01:53:52 pm
@LegalAmerican

And he defaced public property while the media looked on and the police did nothing.

Tells you a little about the rule of law in NYC,doesn't it?

 :thumbsup:
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Post by: LegalAmerican on July 19, 2020, 02:00:14 pm
One was a fundie "speaks in tongues" church,one was a Catholic Church,and chances are the third one was also Catholic.

In other words,the focus was on Christianity,not religion itself.

If *I* were leading up that investigation,I would be thinking "Islam".

THANK YOU!   Most everyone has to pretend, it isn't jihad & takeover.   At 20% of their strength, this is what they do.  WE HAVE THE RODE MAP! 
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**Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.**
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.**** The religious component is a beard for all the other components.****

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called**** ‘religious rights.’****

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

***From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ). (Already done in USA at Walmart)

At this point,10%,  they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:


At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Obamcare does not have penalties for muslims ,only infidels in this country.

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
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Post by: LegalAmerican on July 19, 2020, 02:06:04 pm
I hear we're up to 7 churches now?

And authority has no clue?  RIGHT?     :shrug:
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***Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.***

s, legal, political, economic and military components.**** The religious component is a beard for all the other components.****

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called**** ‘religious rights.’****
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

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Post by: catfish1957 on July 19, 2020, 02:11:00 pm
THANK YOU!   Most everyone has to pretend, it isn't jihad & takeover.   At 20% of their strength, this is what they do.  WE HAVE THE RODE MAP! 
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**Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.**
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.**** The religious component is a beard for all the other components.****

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called**** ‘religious rights.’****

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

***From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ). (Already done in USA at Walmart)

At this point,10%,  they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:


At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Obamcare does not have penalties for muslims ,only infidels in this country.

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Here is the full text that I periodically share the forum.  Dates back almost  10 years, but still is 100% spot on....

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2013/06/03/muslim-behaviorterrorism-correlated-with-population-size/#.dpuf (http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2013/06/03/muslim-behaviorterrorism-correlated-with-population-size/#.dpuf)
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Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2020, 02:44:21 pm
This is from a week ago, but it's about the most current and pertinent info I've found so far, https://www.ocregister.com/2020/07/12/investigators-mission-san-gabriel-fire-probe-yields-no-aha-moment/ (https://www.ocregister.com/2020/07/12/investigators-mission-san-gabriel-fire-probe-yields-no-aha-moment/)

Investigators: Mission San Gabriel fire probe yields no ‘aha moment’

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Investigators were at the scene until late Saturday, and likely will not return to the site Sunday, (San Gabriel Fire Department Capt.) Negrete said.

“They collected what they thought might be pertinent,” he said. “They felt pretty comfortable leaving the scene yesterday.” Investigators can return to the sealed burn area to collect additional evidence if needed, he said.
...
“It’s going to take about another week, once they continuously meet and discuss all their findings,” Negrete said of the investigators. “They really don’t have anything new —  there wasn’t an ‘aha moment’ that they came across.”

He said the investigation includes proving and disproving — in the latter, reviewing contrary evidence that may dispel a theory.

The City of San Gabriel issued a statement on Saturday saying, “Though a formal cause has not yet been determined, a preliminary investigation shows no immediate sign of arson.”
...
The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was assisting in the probe of the fire “due to the nature of the fire,” Negrete said, referring to the blaze at a church as well as the recent vandalism to Serra statues elsewhere.

A dog from the Los Angeles Fire Department was also on the scene Saturday, sniffing to see if any accelerants were used to start the fire, Negrete said.

My almost baseless WAGs would be electrical fire (Mission San Gabriel was not among the best maintained of the still-standing missions) or some intersection of anti-mission "Native Americans" and Antifoids (because current events). At this point I think electrical fire a bit more likely, because older buildings tend to incorporate old wiring done to old codes plus additions and repairs that might not have complied with code.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 02:50:36 pm
Don't tell me,let me guess.

NONE of them had the words "AME Zion" or "Baptist" in them,did they?
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Post by: LegalAmerican on July 19, 2020, 02:53:26 pm
Here is the full text that I periodically share the forum.  Dates back almost  10 years, but still is 100% spot on....

http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2013/06/03/muslim-behaviorterrorism-correlated-with-population-size/#.dpuf (http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2013/06/03/muslim-behaviorterrorism-correlated-with-population-size/#.dpuf)


THANK YOU...TOO.   888high58888
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 02:56:11 pm
Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National 

@mountaineer

I had not heard even a whisper about any of them on local or national teebee news.

It's only news if it is a Mosque or a "black" church.Then it's racism.
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Post by: XenaLee on July 19, 2020, 02:57:22 pm
Speaking of churches (and pardon the derail)....

tune in to 1st Baptist Church of Dallas.... Jeffress sermon starting in a few minutes....

http://icampus.firstdallas.org/ (http://icampus.firstdallas.org/)
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 02:59:01 pm
Our Republic is still under attack and nothing is being done.

@libertybele

That's because it is a nation created by white people,who are evil racists for succeeding more than any other group of people and deserve to be attacked because of it.
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Post by: catfish1957 on July 19, 2020, 02:59:16 pm
I am not saying it isn't some kind of Antifa based terror effort, but buidlings do burn.  In fact about 10 years ago one about 15 miles from here burned was attributed to ummm...  a little insurance fraud.

Would like to really see a statistical analysis, to see if this is really terror driven.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:04:14 pm
While the riots persist, it's back to pushing for the "second Wave" of economic destruction and voting by mail.

@Smokin Joe

"Meet the Depressed" is airing in the background as I type this,and they have already been pushing for mail-in voting. It is literally the only hope they have for stealing the election.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:08:58 pm
Mayor deBlasio had that done. I've seen no indication he is a Muslim.

@PeteS in CA

Let's see,here. Radical leftist that married a black woman so he could appear to be "more woke" than the rest of us. If he ISN'T claiming to be a Muslim it's only because it never occurred to him to make that claim.

Plus,he is a NYC Mayor. Which means he is anti-American.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:11:52 pm
Now this is arson:

Virgin Mary statue set on fire at Boston church, officials say

https://www.bing.com/search?q=WCVB+Boston+Virgin+Mary+Statue+Set+on+Fire&form=ANNTH1&refig=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce&sp=-1&pq=wcvb+boston+virgin+mary+statue+set+on+fire&sc=0-42&qs=n&sk=&cvid=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce (https://www.bing.com/search?q=WCVB+Boston+Virgin+Mary+Statue+Set+on+Fire&form=ANNTH1&refig=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce&sp=-1&pq=wcvb+boston+virgin+mary+statue+set+on+fire&sc=0-42&qs=n&sk=&cvid=bed5598e7e674bb2ab6583265f68c3ce)

@Applewood

How do you set a statue on fire?
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 19, 2020, 03:13:48 pm
@Applewood

How do you set a statue on fire?
If it isn't wood, you use copious accelerants and surround it with fuel.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:15:10 pm
@sneakypete I've posted it in this thread twice already: This is Mayor deBlah-Blah's doing, not some random Muslim with stencils and paint. deBlah-Blah authorized it and ordered that it be done.


@PeteS in CA

AND???????

That should have been obvious to anyone. Nobody can do that without the Mayor telling the PD to protect the activity instead of arresting the vandals.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:18:52 pm
Any chance this thread could get back in the same county as its rails? You know, go back to its original topic? *****rollingeyes*****

DDGing around a bit, the Alabama fire is still under investigation. The building had not been used for services or gatherings since March. The fire started in the sanctuary. One not quite wild speculation I would suggest is homeless squatters who started a fire for cooking or ?? ...

@PeteS in CA

It wasn't homeless or squatters unless it was in a city. You just don't see homeless or squatters in rural areas. No money there or free services for them.

Quote
or maybe Magenta-Spotted Chartreuse Neptunians.

You seem to have something lodged in your throat. Spit it out and take  a deep breath.

 
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Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2020, 03:20:36 pm
@PeteS in CA

Let's see,here. Radical leftist that married a black woman so he could appear to be "more woke" than the rest of us. If he ISN'T claiming to be a Muslim it's only because it never occurred to him to make that claim.

Plus,he is a NYC Mayor. Which means he is anti-American.

@sneakypete, marrying a black means deBlah-Blah is a Muslim? *****rollingeyes***** By that "reasoning", is my kid that married a person of Chinese ancestry therefore a Taoist, an adherent of Confucianism, or Buddhist? *****rollingeyes*****
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:20:36 pm
I hadn't heard anything about it, but here....

@GrouchoTex

You won't unless it is either an "AME Zion Church" or a Mosque.

White lives and churches don't matter to the media or their globalist masters.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:22:07 pm
The headline on that story said "Vandal"

Looks like they misspelled "Hero"

@GrouchoTex

I am sure the reporter and the editor have already been punished for that sin.
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Post by: PeteS in CA on July 19, 2020, 03:24:06 pm
You seem to have something lodged in your throat. Spit it out and take  a deep breath.

Nothing is "lodged in my throat". I just care about learning what actually happened instead of wild baseless speculations that are likely to make TBR look like a nest of loony conspiracy-theorists.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:25:55 pm


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Investigators: Mission San Gabriel fire probe yields no ‘aha moment’

My almost baseless WAGs would be electrical fire (Mission San Gabriel was not among the best maintained of the still-standing missions) or some intersection of anti-mission "Native Americans" and Antifoids (because current events). At this point I think electrical fire a bit more likely, because older buildings tend to incorporate old wiring done to old codes plus additions and repairs that might not have complied with code.

@PeteS in CA

That may be true,but it's more than a little surprising to me. Putting religion aside for a moment,it has it's own VERY real value as an historic building.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 03:28:30 pm
If it isn't wood, you use copious accelerants and surround it with fuel.

@Smokin Joe

I understand the theory,but it still doesn't work because the only thing that burns is the accellerants.
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Post by: catfish1957 on July 19, 2020, 03:29:42 pm
@PeteS in CA

That may be true,but it's more than a little surprising to me. Putting religion aside for a moment,it has it's own VERY real value as an historic building.

Seems the Antifa pukes are after high profile targets that they can score points, and do their "dirty" in the most stealth and cowardly manner possible. Attacking a building that might be empty 6 days a week meets that criteria to a "T"
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Post by: Applewood on July 19, 2020, 03:34:39 pm
@Applewood

How do you set a statue on fire?

@sneakypete

Ok, I'm no scientist, but if you look at the photos of the statue, it would appear the terrorists figured it out.  Definitely smoke damage, if not actually burning.
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Post by: Applewood on July 19, 2020, 03:39:17 pm
And now it looks like the terrorists have moved on from arson to decapitating statues:

Jesus statue is BEHEADED outside Catholic church in South Florida as archbishop demands stunt is investigated as a hate crime

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A statue of Jesus Christ in the courtyard of a South Florida church was beheaded in an act of vandalism now being investigated by the Miami-Dade police and the Department of Homeland Security.

The statue was destroyed between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning in the courtyard of the Good Shepherd Catholic Church in West Kendall, Florida.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534943/Jesus-statue-beheaded-Catholic-church-South-Florida.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8534943/Jesus-statue-beheaded-Catholic-church-South-Florida.html)
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 04:06:08 pm
And now it looks like the terrorists have moved on from arson to decapitating statues:

Jesus statue is BEHEADED outside Catholic church in South Florida as archbishop demands stunt is investigated as a hate crime



@Applewood

Ok,that one pretty much HAS to be the work of a Muslim. No Christian would ever think about doing it,and people who aren't religious just don't care about a religious figure.
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Post by: Applewood on July 19, 2020, 04:31:48 pm
@Applewood

Ok,that one pretty much HAS to be the work of a Muslim. No Christian would ever think about doing it,and people who aren't religious just don't care about a religious figure.

@sneakypete

Maybe -- but I'm thinking that if the terrorists doing all the burning and looting lately are financed by communist organizations, they might have been incited to target religious institutions.  What I remember from communist takeovers in Russia and in China -- there was a concerted effort to stamp out churches or anything even remotely related to religion.  Communism is supposed to be the only religion allowed. 

But I am supposing communists are running the show.   I don't really know.   I thought Bill Barr was going to look into that, but so far, crickets.    And I doubt we will ever know.
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Post by: sneakypete on July 19, 2020, 05:00:08 pm
@sneakypete

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Maybe -- but I'm thinking that if the terrorists doing all the burning and looting lately are financed by communist organizations, they might have been incited to target religious institutions.  What I remember from communist takeovers in Russia and in China -- there was a concerted effort to stamp out churches or anything even remotely related to religion.


@Applewood

You clearly believe the lies reported during the Cold War. There were Russian Orthodox Churches open all over Russia the entire time the Communists ruled there. In FACT,"Russian Orthodox Priest" was a KGB career field.

Think about it for a minute,who BETTER to spy on the citizens and report their "sins" than their priests?

Yes,Stalin DID have most of the Churches in Russia shut down. It made it easier for them to funnel the "true believers" into churches controlled by the KGB.

https://en.wikipedia.org (https://en.wikipedia.org)
/wiki/History_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church#Abolition_of_patriarchy_and_the_Holy_Synod

An excerpt from the above link: "The mass closure of churches continued until 1939, by which time there was only a few hundred left. "

When you consider that by 1939 the Soviets had moved almost all the rural people to the new industrialized cities they had built,a couple hundred RO Churches is a significant number.

And,of course,nobody ever counted the RO believers left living in the wilderness areas to trap and mine who ran their own services. Nobody even cared about them. They were too few,too scattered,and too far from Moscow to be a danger.

BTW,I visited more than a few of the RO Churches on my two trips to Moscow,including one in Moscow that was still boarded up from when it had been used to store grain.

I also attended a wedding at St.Basil's Cathedral in Red Square in Moscow (so beautiful in person it will take your breath away),the Peter and Paul Cathedral in Moscow where Catherine the Great is buried (truly a "holey" figure according to the history books) ,and went to a repair shop in the Mari Republic where they restored the golden "onion domes" for the RO churches.

This was right after communism collapsed in Russia,and there was a tremendous amount of history still to be seen.
 
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 19, 2020, 07:22:10 pm
@Smokin Joe

I understand the theory,but it still doesn't work because the only thing that burns is the accellerants.
THe heat does nasty things to paint, concrete, stone, and even metal if its hot enough.
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Post by: Fishrrman on July 19, 2020, 07:22:49 pm
Pete wrote:
"No Christian would ever think about {decapitating a Jesus statue], and people who aren't religious just don't care about a religious figure."

I disagree.

A statue of Jesus is an icon of "the white, Christian West", and as such, is subject to the same "political/cultural attacks" by the rampaging black/red guards as would be statues of Jefferson or R.L. Lee.

More attacks on religious statues and buildings to come, as they are many and are less "protected" as the public statues in town squares or in front of government buildings...
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Post by: Chosen Daughter on July 19, 2020, 07:26:54 pm
Our Republic is still under attack and nothing is being done.

Maybe there is a minivan somewhere.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on July 19, 2020, 09:29:33 pm
It's fine I know who you are talking about.  As Trump is buddies with Jihadi Erdogan who is persecuting the "not most" Christians in the ME and Africa.
One of the problems with being in the Oval Office is that there are these treaty thingies (Like NATO), and every now and then you have to meet with (and get along with) other people who represent other countries which are signatories.

You don't have to love them, but getting along really helps pull off the international relations thing and puts you in a position to talk about the things you don't like. Sometimes it's sad, but those are their countries and they get to run them as they see fit, and yes, we sometimes dance with those devils to get at others.

It's either that, or the last guy out of Incirlik sets the timer on the way out.
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Post by: Sighlass on July 19, 2020, 09:31:34 pm
Still no word on the cause of the Church fire in Alabama... not sure it was arson/anarchy.
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Post by: MOD3 on July 19, 2020, 11:43:24 pm
@Chosen Daughter neither Erdogan nor Trump are the topic of this thread. Don't try to hijack this thread.
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Post by: verga on July 20, 2020, 05:40:33 pm
Here is the full text that I periodically share the forum.  Dates back almost  10 years, but still is 100% spot on....

Dr. Hammond is a genius and a prophet.
Title: Re: Three Churches Have Burned in Just Over 24 Hours, But You Wouldn’t Know It If You Watch National
Post by: verga on July 20, 2020, 05:57:50 pm
Pete wrote:
"No Christian would ever think about {decapitating a Jesus statue], and people who aren't religious just don't care about a religious figure."

I disagree.

A statue of Jesus is an icon of "the white, Christian West", and as such, is subject to the same "political/cultural attacks" by the rampaging black/red guards as would be statues of Jefferson or R.L. Lee.

More attacks on religious statues and buildings to come, as they are many and are less "protected" as the public statues in town squares or in front of government buildings...
Yeah here is the problem with that line of thinking Judaism and Christianity  both had their origin in the middle east/ Arab world. Both groups were enslaved and suffered years of persecution. Under emperors such as Diocletian and Nero Christians were rounded up and used for sport. The Jews were slaves under Pharaoh and the Roman emperors for generations. The Edict of Toleration by Constantine in 326 was a temporary "local" fix, but even that led to resentment by certain groups.