The Briefing Room
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bigheadfred on November 27, 2016, 03:15:12 pm
-
There has been some talk over in the members' lounge concerning evil.
I propose this thread to continue that discussion.
This is not a religion thread. Although I wish for people to freely express their thoughts I would like to contain that a bit. No in-depth discussion of any particular sect. But "I was raised Catholic, Mormon, Islamic, Buddhist, Hindi" is fine.
Please add esoteric, apocrypha, science, science fiction, the Bible, I Ching, the Indian texts, etc.
Pizzagate, child abuse, HAARP, CERN, UFO's, Nazi's, AI, Black magic, Freemasonry. Please add anything in.
Tell us what makes you a conservative.
And again, this is intended to be an open discussion of widely varied topics and viewpoints. So try to contain yourselves. Forum rules please. Plus your own good sense. Make it FREE to all and not a free-for-all.
Thanks.
@Quix @Smokin Joe @Weird Tolkienish Figure @Freya @roamer_1 @240B @Neverdul @Cyber Liberty @EC @CatherineofAragon @WorkingClassFilth @jedidah
-
(http://image.slidesharecdn.com/michaelgonzalez-dothesumofthepartsequalthewhole-140827121725-phpapp01/95/michael-gonzalez-do-the-sum-of-the-parts-equal-the-whole-11-638.jpg?cb=1409141938)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShERshxD_b6N-VA5XT4EKqLwSz_vvhctJKK7jdLcP3U-OWPDRy)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTb5XwDBtrjtj-J2xPz_ic1-MnCWORCKrFLIQLmokEcOUcJSLF0EQ)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1NYP5gtR63ZOJHo4zrwkQxEKlKXyuJjrVeOoqVT-NP2Pt3EXJ)
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xg7lYuYus&t=462s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xg7lYuYus&t=462s
-
Bizarre ‘Dance Of Destruction’ Performed At CERN Ahead Of Launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29t-p0YIhCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29t-p0YIhCc
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WyoenjZAZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WyoenjZAZw
It’s unlikely that Dynamo will reveal how he performed the trick at any point. Perhaps he’s just Jesus after all?
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lhOX1aY5DE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lhOX1aY5DE
"Take responsibility for what you think and what you do."
-
(http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-those-magicians-who-object-to-the-use-of-blood-have-endeavored-to-replace-it-with-incense-aleister-crowley-72-95-46.jpg)
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WLg5RJzBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WLg5RJzBM
-
(https://i2.wp.com/www.howardnema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/DAVID-BOWIE.jpg)
-
The Rise of Nuclear Fear-How We Learned to Fear the Radiation
I remember going to bed one night when I was 11, seriously afraid I would not be alive in the morning. It was October, 1962, and the frightening cold war between the U.S. and Soviet Union, constantly in the news but mostly abstract to me as a kid, had becoming terrifyingly real. I had watched a stern President Kennedy on TV revealing that Soviet missiles were being installed in Cuba and ordering a blockade of Soviet ships. There were pictures of the missile sites, and video of confrontations at sea. The world really was on the brink of nuclear war. I was viscerally afraid, and I wasn’t alone.
Such tangible at-any-moment existential fear can burn deeply into anyone’s mind, especially the mind of impressionable adolescents, as many baby boomers were back then. So it’s not surprising how far reaching and long lasting the effects of those Cold War fears have been. Fear of atomic weapons and nuclear fallout helped carve the dread of cancer deep into our hearts, and they put a man on the moon. They helped launch environmentalism, and laid the foundations for the anti-Vietnam war movement. They framed the phobia about nuclear power, leading to a coal-based energy policy which has killed hundreds of thousands of people from air pollution and threatens the very climate on which life on earth depends. Nuclear fears even gave birth to the modern skepticism of technology and industry, and of science itself.
Radiation was even seen as the Philosopher’s Stone, the legendary material the alchemists had sought that would give man control over matter. Ernest Rutherford (“The father of nuclear physics”) titled his book about nuclear physics for the general public The Newer Alchemy. A friend of Rutherford promised that radiation could “…make the whole world one smiling Garden of Eden”. A newspaper headline about radiation declared “Science on the road to revolutionize all existence. No limit to man’s power over nature.”
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-rise-of-nuclear-fear-how-we-learned-to-fear-the-bomb/
-
One of the highlights of our modern culture is the destruction of the family.
Colossians 3:1-25 ESV / 6 helpful votes
If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. ...
Ephesians 6:10-18 ESV / 58 helpful votes
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, ...
-
The violence in the media. Video games, television, cinema, stage.
The softening.
These types of things help people to accept evil in their lives. They become immune to the travesties of reality.
Isis burning people, hacking off heads.
Pedophilia is a yawner.
Abortion is the right to commit murder.
People watching the horrific episode of The Walking Dead. And saying oh I know about the obscenity of the violence and the gore but I like it because it talks about surviving in a post-apocalyptic world.
Oh really now?
Did it have an episode that gave detailed instructions on how to build your own tandoor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q
To me, that type of show accelerates the agenda of evil and adds rot to your brain and soul.
-
One of the highlights of our modern culture is the destruction of the family.
Colossians 3:1-25 ESV / 6 helpful votes
If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. ...
Ephesians 6:10-18 ESV / 58 helpful votes
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, ...
ABSOLUTELY INDEED!
Praise God for His faithfulness!
Praise God for His Sacrifice and a way out of evil within and without.
Am not likely to get very much into discussing the videos etc. you've posted. I increasingly try and keep a good distance from such stuff.
Many of the movies of our era are major routes to demonic oppression and even possession--with millions sitting their watching--transfixed and open doors to such horrors.
-
The violence in the media. Video games, television, cinema, stage.
The softening.
These types of things help people to accept evil in their lives. They become immune to the travesties of reality.
Isis burning people, hacking off heads.
Pedophilia is a yawner.
Abortion is the right to commit murder.
People watching the horrific episode of The Walking Dead. And saying oh I know about the obscenity of the violence and the gore but I like it because it talks about surviving in a post-apocalyptic world.
Oh really now?
Did it have an episode that gave detailed instructions on how to build your own tandoor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q
To me, that type of show accelerates the agenda of evil and adds rot to your brain and soul.
Quite so. Quite so.
Thanks for the vid on the oven.
-
@bigheadfred,
IIRC, The Bible notes that PRIDE is the chief sin in that it's the root of all the others.
It's what got satan kicked out of Heaven.
-
@bigheadfred
Thanks Fred - some thought provoking stuff.
One of my rules of thumb for evil is look for a combination of banality and mockery. The father of evil can't create, he can only pervert what is already there.
-
The core of evil is lies that lead people astray. It is deception masquerading as truth. It is framed to look like truth and wisdom but its purpose is the opposite. It leads people to believe they are doing the right thing as they begin to do truly horrific things all justified by a frame work of carefully constructed partial truths.
Just me 2 cents...
-
goopo @DB
-
The core of evil is lies that lead people astray. It is deception masquerading as truth. It is framed to look like truth and wisdom but its purpose is the opposite. It leads people to believe they are doing the right thing as they begin to do truly horrific things all justified by a frame work of carefully constructed partial truths.
Just me 2 cents...
@EC
So what would you call "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution"? Was the deception a furtherance of evil? Or a ploy by the military/inductrial complex for enrichment? Is their a difference?
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (August 7, 1964) gave broad congressional approval for expansion of the Vietnam War. During the spring of 1964, military planners had developed a detailed design for major attacks on the North, but at that time President Lyndon B. Johnson and his advisers feared that the public would not support an expansion of the war. By summer, however, rebel forces had established control over nearly half of South Vietnam, and Senator Barry Goldwater, the Republican nominee for president, was criticizing the Johnson administration for not pursuing the war more aggressively.
The resolution was quickly approved by Congress; only Senators Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska voted against it. Later, when more information about the Tonkin incident became available, many concluded that Johnson and his advisers had misled Congress into supporting the expansion of the war.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi0_LbW-8nQAhUJy2MKHUQEBCIQFggwMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Ftopics%2Fvietnam-war%2Fgulf-of-tonkin-resolution&usg=AFQjCNFMg9h3mlFVq_w8urdFMozelmXeTw&sig2=kQdoEatIvF3tusww_WW99Q
Throw in 9-11. The Iraq war. IMO, major deceptions there. Not as conspiracy theories. Lies told to enrage the populace.
It leads people to believe they are doing the right thing as they begin to do truly horrific things all justified by a frame work of carefully constructed partial truths.
Incidents that resulted in the loss of many lives and freedoms.
-
There is an aspect to some of this I now apply.
Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons
In Sex and Rockets, Carter brings a measure of much needed clarity to the life and times of the enigmatic Parsons; an enigma that has been compounded over the years by varying degrees of misinformation and exaggeration as to just who Parsons was, and exactly what he was trying to accomplish with the Babalon Working rituals, performed in part with L. Ron Hubbard, the future founder of Scientology. The end result of the Babalon Working was to birth an elemental being; a 'Moonchild' that--as Crowley stated in his Book of the Law--would be "mightier than all the kings of the Earth."
According to Thelemic legend, in 1918 Aleister Crowley came into contact with a interdimensional entity named Lam, who by the way is a dead ringer for the popular conception of the 'alien grey ' depicted on the cover of Whitley Strieber's Communion. From this purported encounter, some have inferred that the industrious Mr. Crowley intentionally opened a portal of entry--through the practice of a magick ritual, The Amalantrah Working--which allowed the likes of Lam and other 'alien greys' a passageway onto the Earth plane. Furthermore, this portal may have been further enlarged by Parsons and Hubbard in 1946 with the commencement of the Babalon Working, thus facilitating a monumental paradigm shift in human consciousness.
In Sex and Rockets, Carter quotes Crowley successor Kenneth Grant, who wrote, "The [Babalon] Working began...just prior to the wave of unexplained aerial phenomena now recalled as the 'Great Flying Saucer Flap'. Parsons opened a door and something flew in." Carter also suggests it mighthave been the atomic bomb that opened this door between dimensions. He then further illustrates the importance of the year 1947, which ended the first stage of the Babalon Working, as Parsons and Hubbard parted ways amid a cloud of turmoil. 1947 was the year that the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. In that very same year, Israel became a nation state, the transistor was invented and the sound barrier broken. Last, but certainly not least, the Modern Age of UFO's flew into view with the Kenneth Arnold sightings, followed not long after by the alleged saucer crash in Roswell, New Mexico. 1947 was also the year the Great Beast, Aleister Crowley died.
There has been talk that Parsons, using electromagnectics, formed, or opened a portal and made a deal with demons. One of the supposed goals of secret societies is to feed demonic entities with blood. As an energy source. So the promulgation of wars.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51XGnuQi%2B9L._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjo7aavhMrQAhUN-GMKHcqvBkMQFggmMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theforbiddenknowledge.com%2Fhardtruth%2Fsex_and_rockets.htm&usg=AFQjCNFyULLY0ajYBmfiaA_VVtxfhGtM1w&sig2=InL5fqREpNd6cLyfcLhixg
I am not saying all of this is true true. My interest lies in how many people believe it.
The global elite using false flag operations to bring about a NWO from people's fears of a destructive end of world civilization.
-
Zero Point : Volume IV - Beyond - Right Hemisphere Edition (Psychedelic Version)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2ps225e.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNL7RibvuDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNL7RibvuDM
-
Here is an interesting show. Delves into a number of things. Especially the supposed divinity of man. The New Age Deception.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6sSdlCbWe0&t=4905s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6sSdlCbWe0&t=4905s
-
"For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Certain groups take this a step further and promote the divinity of man.
Jim Jones proclaimed he was God.
And over 900 people committed mass suicide in Jonestown
-
Thanks for the posts and links.
May take some time for me to get to those videos.
Cheers.
-
There has been some talk over in the members' lounge concerning evil.
I propose this thread to continue that discussion.
This is not a religion thread. Although I wish for people to freely express their thoughts I would like to contain that a bit. No in-depth discussion of any particular sect.
So, This is a No.
The lie of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
The LDS Church believes much of the same.
The lie told by Satan to Eve.
"For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
We do not permit religion threads for a very good reason. It would be this one, right here.
-
So, This is a No.
We do not permit religion threads for a very good reason. It would be this one, right here.
imho . . . it is not a given topic that is a problem, per se.
It is some individuals unwillingness and/or incapacity to be civil when discussing various topics.
We survived the SElection tolerably.
It's conceivable we could survive even discussing some religious stuff.
One of the problems with censoring it out of the body politic here or anywhere else is that it pervades everything we are and do whether acknowledged, or not.
And with the globalist oligarchy shoving literal satanism down all our throats rushing toward a one world government and one world religion worshiping the literal satan as God . . .
HOW can we discuss world events leading up to that end game and not discuss "religion?"
Being inoffensive . . . or at least not deliberately offensive
vs
being offended are two very different things, imho.
-
The violence in the media. Video games, television, cinema, stage.
The softening.
These types of things help people to accept evil in their lives. They become immune to the travesties of reality.
Isis burning people, hacking off heads.
Pedophilia is a yawner.
Abortion is the right to commit murder.
People watching the horrific episode of The Walking Dead. And saying oh I know about the obscenity of the violence and the gore but I like it because it talks about surviving in a post-apocalyptic world.
Oh really now?
Did it have an episode that gave detailed instructions on how to build your own tandoor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q
To me, that type of show accelerates the agenda of evil and adds rot to your brain and soul.
I don't know about the walking dead as I haven't watched any of it. I have however noticed a lot of movies of the years that seems to have a theme that the world is ending and only one person or special group of people can save it. I think training people into that mindset is a serious problem.
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. -Patrick Henry
-
HOW can we discuss world events leading up to that end game and not discuss "religion?"
I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.
-
I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.
@Quix
The famous or infamous 'avowed' athiest Jean Paul Sartre is reported to have stated on or close to his death this:
“I do not feel that I am the product of chance, a speck of dust in the universe, but someone who was expected, prepared, prefigured. In short, a being whom only a Creator could put here; and this idea of a creating hand refers to God.”
My point in bringing up the Catechism is for what it expressly states. And is against Scripture.
So the pervasiveness of darkness. Embedded in every major religion in the world. Idolatry, paganism, spiritualism, mysticism, and flat out deception.
If people feel the need to be a part of ANY organization that wants you to be a FOLLOWER of their creed it is a damn sight better than average chance they are leading you away from the light.
Political, religious, financial, governmental, scientific, or pseudoscientific.
People have very little in the way of any power of discernment. They, as purposed in the other thread I posted, view their morality through rose-colored glasses. So the same with their conservatism. So the same with their salvation.
They want their salvation for free. They don't want or see the need to work for it. REALLY WORK FOR IT. Buying the stairway to heaven. Venal, vicious, callous, capricious, seamy, tawdry, sleazy, bawdy. But every Sunday morning with their neon signs, "Jesus Is Coming".
BAH GAK WAH FAK
So at the end the famous Sartre chokes on his life's work.
So at the end will billions more of the facile automatons.
-
@Mod2
And thanks for joining in on the conversation. At least a few people are listening.
-
I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.
No threads on religion? Guess I'll have the spread the good word the old fashion way. Everyone give me your address and a time that you will be home....
(http://j-walk.com/images/TheKeyToFastGrowingReligions_73A0/jw.jpg)
-
@Mod2
And thanks for joining in on the conversation. At least a few people are listening.
I dunno. Who?
-
I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.
Thanks! 888high58888
IMO nothing brings up more personal animosity and ill-will on a forum than to get into religious arguments.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too!
Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too!
What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too!
Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too!
Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too!
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
-Emo Philips
-
If people feel the need to be a part of ANY organization that wants you to be a FOLLOWER of their creed it is a damn sight better than average chance they are leading you away from the light.
Political, religious, financial, governmental, scientific, or pseudoscientific.
This is eminently TRUE. And as things boil down to the final end, it will become more and more apparent. The time for choosing has come. It is upon us already.
-
Thanks! 888high58888
IMO nothing brings up more personal animosity and ill-will on a forum than to get into religious arguments.
It is only an argument if that is the wish of the people who want to involve themselves in an argument.
Giddy up some free will and decide for yourself. It doesn't have to involve anyone at a personal level.
-
Forerunners to Modern Spiritualism:
Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772)
by Rev. Simeon Stefanidakis
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi7l5Ls6czQAhUY8GMKHWVxDKEQFggxMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fst.org%2Fspirit2.htm&usg=AFQjCNGnJvEpGRhY1TI9YrvvDLe6Anyjdw&sig2=8HgAat_ICJOaOweUXUqGjQ
In the preface to his Arcana Celestia, Swedenborg writes:
"Of the Lord's Divine mercy it has been granted me now for several years, to be constantly and uninterruptedly in company with spirits and angels, hearing them converse with each other, and conversing with them. Hence, it has been permitted me to hear and see stupendous things in the other life which has never before come to the knowledge of any man, nor entered into his imagination. I have been instructed concerning different kinds of spirits and the state of souls after death; concerning Hell, or the lamentable state of the unfaithful; concerning Heaven, or the most happy state of the faithful, and particularly concerning the doctrines or faith which is throughout Heaven."
However, in his Miscellaneous Works, he writes:
"Spirits narrate things wholly false, and lie. When spirits begin to speak to man, care should be taken not to believe them, for most everything they say is made up by them, and they lie; so if we permitted them to relate what Heaven is, and how things are in Heaven, they would tell so many falsehoods, and with such strong assertion that man would be astonished; wherefore it was not permitted me when spirits were speaking to have any belief in what they stated. They love to feign. Whatever may be the topic spoken of, they think they know it, and if man listens and believes, they insist, and in various ways deceive and seduce."
This massive contradiction clearly indicates that as marvelous a medium as Swedenborg was, his visions and revelations were still subject to earlier philosophical and theological influences. His whole concept of Heaven and Hell was strongly influenced by his Lutheran background. The fact that he, himself, was in constant communication with the Spirit world and promulgated said spirit teachings, while at the same time warning of the deception and falsehood of spirit communicators, is clearly reflective of his general approach to spiritual and theological matters: that he, alone, was the spokesman for those in Spirit.
uh huh
-
Thanks! 888high58888
IMO nothing . . . {below}
That joke is one of my all time favorites--partly because it is so hideously true.
IMO nothing brings up more personal animosity and ill-will on a forum than to get into religious arguments.
Certainly we human critters seem to be quite CAPABLE of making that far too abundantly true.
However, we just survived a horrific SElection with emotions about as high as on religious topics.
I think we demean, castrate, neuter, ourselves when we roll over and play dead to such dynamics by running away from them like fearful kindergartners.
The vast bulk of us here have demonstrated incredible restraint and civility. Why would "religion" automatically nuke our civility capacities?
I guess I have a very strong bias.
1. As this last SElection demonstrated, RAW UNMITIGATED EVIL has been, is being increasingly loosed in the Nation and on the planet. That's just a fact. People can deny, pretend, rationalize it away; dance all around it until the cows come home but that's just a fact. Those who are inclined to be derisive and dismissive of that assertion may well need to wade into the horrific pizza gate evidence a bit deeper.
2. So . . . as Raw unmitigated Evil increasingly floods the land . . . are we to be limited hereon to discussing it in code?
Dottering Old Tea Matron 1: Why yes, Mildred. I agree, there was insufficient sugar in that situation.
DOTM 2: I should say. And her Chief of Staff could have demonstrated a tanker load more honey, too.
DOTM 3: Not to mention, the Main Stream Media spewed nothing but honey when the uhhhh . . . opposite . . . was neck deep. Is "opposite" an acceptably PC term at this tea?
= = = =
For those who may still be stuck in liberally oligarchy propagandized delusions of recent decades . . . not only is the US of A desperately struggling to continue existing as a viable Nation . . . "under God" or otherwise . . . Each and every individual is also--knowingly or not--fighting for their own existential life and continued existence in any state remotely pleasant and constructive.
Whitewashing those facts won't change them.
Talking about Evil in whatever white-gloved fashion will not accomplish much.
Talking about Evil in whatever manner without talking about the only antidote--lest we jangle civility sensibilities overmuch--won't accomplish much.
The era is approaching at the speed of light when
'He who is not with us is against us.'
'The lukewarm will be spewed into the spittoon.'
'The cowards will find their place in hell alongside the satan worshipers etc.'
'Heart values will be emblazoned across foreheads and daily words and actions for all to see--virtually regardless.'
I honestly don't know how much longer it will even be possible to stand up and be counted (survivably) remotely openly in behalf of GOOD and Rightness.
I do KNOW that if and when we have the opportunity and fail to do so--it will NOT be counted as a strength, a credit, a brownie point, a feather in our cap or a deposit in our Heavenly account. More the opposite, by far.
Therefore what? Hard to say.
I just know that choices and actions and inactions have consequences. Some of the consequences are of eternal and existential import.
We can still sit in fairly comfortable homes with our keyboards in our laps and pontificate rather safely with the oligarchy merely recording our actions in their vast database.
Once those opportunities are obliterated . . . "If only I'd . . . when I had the chance" will not cut much applause from Heaven.
Germany had thousands of good Christians that looked the other way in the early days of Hitler. It was safer. It was more comfortable. It produced less anxiety or distress. It left everyone better able to pretend all was well and life would go on as before endlessly. Besides, he was very skillful at playing the public (& lots of private) sensibilities like a piano.
Life is messy. People are complex and messy.
OCD folks like myself or worse . . . don't like that. We'd like to play things safe and tidy in tidy little boxes with clear, clean and safe--minimally risky boundaries.
That's a delusion, a trap.
1. Life's just not like that regardless of how much we tell ourselves it is.
2. People are just not like that--regardless of how much we desperately need them to be so.
3. We can't go home again. The 1950's are never coming back and had more rot even then than we wanted to admit. We can only go forward into the destiny allotted to us with the thrownness each of us as individuals has been cast into. Shrinking back from that will only bear extremely costly consequences.
4.
= = = =
.
This is an oft quoted but still extremely timely truth:
.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
.
--Martin Niemöller
.
The first 5 or so paragraphs at that link are also very worthwhile reading.
.
= = = =
.
I'm not at all suggesting a mud-slinging free-for-all is remotely desired or worthy. I like to think the individuals and group here are above that. Certainly we can choose and behave above that.
.
I am trying to suggest that wimping out and not rising to the occasion will result in unbearable consequences for every individual guilty of such. That such consequences appear currently unlikely and may well be delayed months or even years--will, THEN, be inconsequential. There will be NO "do-overs."
.
The destruction of any Nation or culture has never been tidy and calm.
.
The destruction of every semblance of civility, good, decency, God-liness, Righteousness, kindness, patience, stability, peaceableness, . . . across the planet . . . is certainly NOT going to be calm or tidy. Pretending otherwise is utterly and thoroughly delusional.
.
And folks who think such a description is hyperbole have not been paying sufficient attention or are not sufficiently informed or thought-ful.
.
'Satan comes down in great fury because he knows his time is short.'
.
Our own Federal Homeland Security Dept has published regulations and instructions labeling Christians and Veterans as terrorists . . . with a not so published plan to eventually exterminate them. Pretending otherwise is, imho, terminally ignorant.
.
Again . . . therefore what, I don't know.
.
I do know that each of us is responsible for our choices and actions, words.
.
And I know that calm civility is not God's highest priority.
.
And I know that we all, ultimately, WILL answer to HIM and HIM alone.
.
Alternate Realities ping list ping.
.
This is not in our forum but I think it is well within the topics central to our concerns in that forum.
.
@bigheadfred
@Cyber Liberty
@DCPatriot
@Freya
@Ghost Bear
@GrannyMinimum
@Idaho_Cowboy
@jedidah
@Liberty Tree Dr
@Mom MD
@mrpotatohead
@Smokin Joe
@the_doc
@Victoria33
@WorkingClassFilth
-
This is eminently TRUE. And as things boil down to the final end, it will become more and more apparent. The time for choosing has come. It is upon us already.
YUP.
A Relationship with the One who paid the ultimate price so that we could have such a Relationship--is THE priority.
-
No threads on religion? Guess I'll have the spread the good word the old fashion way. Everyone give me your address and a time that you will be home....
(http://j-walk.com/images/TheKeyToFastGrowingReligions_73A0/jw.jpg)
Just be aware that my attack ferrets are trained to smell {some specific religionists} a mile away.
{joke}
-
That joke is one of my all time favorites--partly because it is so hideously true.
Certainly we human critters seem to be quite CAPABLE of making that far too abundantly true.
However, we just survived a horrific SElection with emotions about as high as on religious topics.
I think we demean, castrate, neuter, ourselves when we roll over and play dead to such dynamics by running away from them like fearful kindergartners.
The vast bulk of us here have demonstrated incredible restraint and civility. Why would "religion" automatically nuke our civility capacities?
I guess I have a very strong bias.
1. As this last SElection demonstrated, RAW UNMITIGATED EVIL has been, is being increasingly loosed in the Nation and on the planet. That's just a fact. People can deny, pretend, rationalize it away; dance all around it until the cows come home but that's just a fact. Those who are inclined to be derisive and dismissive of that assertion may well need to wade into the horrific pizza gate evidence a bit deeper.
2. So . . . as Raw unmitigated Evil increasingly floods the land . . . are we to be limited hereon to discussing it in code?
Dottering Old Tea Matron 1: Why yes, Mildred. I agree, there was insufficient sugar in that situation.
DOTM 2: I should say. And her Chief of Staff could have demonstrated a tanker load more honey, too.
DOTM 3: Not to mention, the Main Stream Media spewed nothing but honey when the uhhhh . . . opposite . . . was neck deep. Is "opposite" an acceptably PC term at this tea?
= = = =
For those who may still be stuck in liberally oligarchy propagandized delusions of recent decades . . . not only is the US of A desperately struggling to continue existing as a viable Nation . . . "under God" or otherwise . . . Each and every individual is also--knowingly or not--fighting for their own existential life and continued existence in any state remotely pleasant and constructive.
Whitewashing those facts won't change them.
Talking about Evil in whatever white-gloved fashion will not accomplish much.
Talking about Evil in whatever manner without talking about the only antidote--lest we jangle civility sensibilities overmuch--won't accomplish much.
The era is approaching at the speed of light when
'He who is not with us is against us.'
'The lukewarm will be spewed into the spittoon.'
'The cowards will find their place in hell alongside the satan worshipers etc.'
'Heart values will be emblazoned across foreheads and daily words and actions for all to see--virtually regardless.'
I honestly don't know how much longer it will even be possible to stand up and be counted (survivably) remotely openly in behalf of GOOD and Rightness.
I do KNOW that if and when we have the opportunity and fail to do so--it will NOT be counted as a strength, a credit, a brownie point, a feather in our cap or a deposit in our Heavenly account. More the opposite, by far.
Therefore what? Hard to say.
I just know that choices and actions and inactions have consequences. Some of the consequences are of eternal and existential import.
We can still sit in fairly comfortable homes with our keyboards in our laps and pontificate rather safely with the oligarchy merely recording our actions in their vast database.
Once those opportunities are obliterated . . . "If only I'd . . . when I had the chance" will not cut much applause from Heaven.
Germany had thousands of good Christians that looked the other way in the early days of Hitler. It was safer. It was more comfortable. It produced less anxiety or distress. It left everyone better able to pretend all was well and life would go on as before endlessly. Besides, he was very skillful at playing the public (& lots of private) sensibilities like a piano.
Life is messy. People are complex and messy.
OCD folks like myself or worse . . . don't like that. We'd like to play things safe and tidy in tidy little boxes with clear, clean and safe--minimally risky boundaries.
That's a delusion, a trap.
1. Life's just not like that regardless of how much we tell ourselves it is.
2. People are just not like that--regardless of how much we desperately need them to be so.
3. We can't go home again. The 1950's are never coming back and had more rot even then than we wanted to admit. We can only go forward into the destiny allotted to us with the thrownness each of us as individuals has been cast into. Shrinking back from that will only bear extremely costly consequences.
4.
= = = =
.
This is an oft quoted but still extremely timely truth:
.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
..
The first 5 or so paragraphs at that link are also very worthwhile reading.
.
= = = =
.
I'm not at all suggesting a mud-slinging free-for-all is remotely desired or worthy. I like to think the individuals and group here are above that. Certainly we can choose and behave above that.
.
I am trying to suggest that wimping out and not rising to the occasion will result in unbearable consequences for every individual guilty of such. That such consequences appear currently unlikely and may well be delayed months or even years--will, THEN, be inconsequential. There will be NO "do-overs."
.
The destruction of any Nation or culture has never been tidy and calm.
.
The destruction of every semblance of civility, good, decency, God-liness, Righteousness, kindness, patience, stability, peaceableness, . . . across the planet . . . is certainly NOT going to be calm or tidy. Pretending otherwise is utterly and thoroughly delusional.
.
And folks who think such a description is hyperbole have not been paying sufficient attention or are not sufficiently informed or thought-ful.
.
'Satan comes down in great fury because he knows his time is short.'
.
Our own Federal Homeland Security Dept has published regulations and instructions labeling Christians and Veterans as terrorists . . . with a not so published plan to eventually exterminate them. Pretending otherwise is, imho, terminally ignorant.
.
Again . . . therefore what, I don't know.
.
I do know that each of us is responsible for our choices and actions, words.
.
And I know that calm civility is not God's highest priority.
.
And I know that we all, ultimately, WILL answer to HIM and HIM alone.
.
Alternate Realities ping list ping.
.
This is not in our forum but I think it is well within the topics central to our concerns in that forum.
A couple of thoughts. A large part of the delusion at work is the denial that evil even exists. Our post modern age has brought us to the point where right and wrong are only constructs from Children's stories and those who still believe in them are Quixotic figures to be mocked. Look at the situation in Europe or Obama's attitude towards Muslim terrorist. Few are willing to stand up and name evil as evil.
Thought number two. We aren't supposed to feel at home on this earth and the older I get the more I feel it. I love that old hymn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiQ5kIgatQ
-
A couple of thoughts. A large part of the delusion at work is the denial that evil even exists. Our post modern age has brought us to the point where right and wrong are only constructs from Children's stories and those who still believe in them are Quixotic figures to be mocked. Look at the situation in Europe or Obama's attitude towards Muslim terrorist. Few are willing to stand up and name evil as evil.
Thought number two. We aren't supposed to feel at home on this earth and the older I get the more I feel it. I love that old hymn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiQ5kIgatQ
Absolutely Indeed--on all counts.
Thanks big. Much appreciate your kind response.
-
A couple of thoughts. A large part of the delusion at work is the denial that evil even exists. Our post modern age has brought us to the point where right and wrong are only constructs from Children's stories and those who still believe in them are Quixotic figures to be mocked. Look at the situation in Europe or Obama's attitude towards Muslim terrorist. Few are willing to stand up and name evil as evil.
RATHER, we have come to a point that sin is glorified and good works, right living, have become vilified - Evil is actively called good, and good is actively called evil. Pop culture absolutely embraces and glorifies evil.
Thought number two. We aren't supposed to feel at home on this earth and the older I get the more I feel it. I love that old hymn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiQ5kIgatQ
My brother's group has a similar message in 'Just Passin Through'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQayHaFC-M
-
RATHER, we have come to a point that sin is glorified and good works, right living, have become vilified - Evil is actively called good, and good is actively called evil. Pop culture absolutely embraces and glorifies evil.
My brother's group has a similar message in 'Just Passin Through'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQayHaFC-M
QUITE SO. QUITE SO!
Thanks.
-
The new age spiritualism vs. The Bible
Deuteronomy 9-22
9 When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
King James Version (KJV)
The Witch of Endor
1 Samuel 28King James Version (KJV)
28 And it came to pass in those days, that the Philistines gathered their armies together for warfare, to fight with Israel. And Achish said unto David, Know thou assuredly, that thou shalt go out with me to battle, thou and thy men.
2 And David said to Achish, Surely thou shalt know what thy servant can do. And Achish said to David, Therefore will I make thee keeper of mine head for ever.
3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.
4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa.
5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.
6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
10 And Saul sware to her by the Lord, saying, As the Lord liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
17 And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:
18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.
19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.
21 And the woman came unto Saul, and saw that he was sore troubled, and said unto him, Behold, thine handmaid hath obeyed thy voice, and I have put my life in my hand, and have hearkened unto thy words which thou spakest unto me.
22 Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee; and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way.
23 But he refused, and said, I will not eat. But his servants, together with the woman, compelled him; and he hearkened unto their voice. So he arose from the earth, and sat upon the bed.
24 And the woman had a fat calf in the house; and she hasted, and killed it, and took flour, and kneaded it, and did bake unleavened bread thereof:
25 And she brought it before Saul, and before his servants; and they did eat. Then they rose up, and went away that night.
When Samuel dies, he is buried in Ramah. Saul, the current King of Israel, seeks wisdom from God in choosing a course of action against the assembled forces of the Philistines. He receives no answer from dreams, prophets, or the Urim and Thummim. Having driven out all necromancers and magicians from Israel, Saul searches for a medium anonymously and in disguise. His search leads him to a woman of Endor, who claims that she can see the ghost of Samuel rising from the abode of the dead.[1] The voice of the prophet's ghost, after complaining of being disturbed, berates Saul for disobeying God, and predicts Saul's downfall. The spirit reiterates a pre-mortem prophecy by Samuel, adding that Saul will perish with his whole army in battle the next day. Saul is terrified. The next day, his army is defeated as prophesied, and Saul commits suicide.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw-sHyl8_QAhVJ4mMKHZS_CmsQFgguMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWitch_of_Endor&usg=AFQjCNEywsY98haR_jJtvupFVJ3N3J6-Bg&sig2=qPDY6Rf174jzPcEyWxiTww (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw-sHyl8_QAhVJ4mMKHZS_CmsQFgguMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWitch_of_Endor&usg=AFQjCNEywsY98haR_jJtvupFVJ3N3J6-Bg&sig2=qPDY6Rf174jzPcEyWxiTww)
Leviticus 19:31King James Version (KJV)
31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
2 Corinthians 11:14-15New International Version (NIV)
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
-
There is a popularity for TV shows about mediums, whether fictional or "reality".
Long Island Medium
Synopsis
Each episode focuses on Theresa Caputo as she conducts private and group readings with both believers and skeptics. Her husband Larry and two children, Victoria and Larry Jr., have learned to live with her claims of mediumship, but it strains their relationship. In a 2011 interview, Caputo claimed she had the ability to communicate with dead people: "Things are just there. When I was younger I used to actually see images and hear things. As I got older and shut down, it had changed. Because it was frightening to see people standing there who actually weren’t there.
The show has been a commercial success, running into 8 seasons, and the popularity has led to the star producing several books and a jewelry line. Fans describe it as entertaining and fun or amazing.[8] The overall series is described in media review as pretty mild, but it may be disturbing to viewers who are uncomfortable with the topics of death and psychic ability
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjd1KL9nc_QAhUCKWMKHe3wANEQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLong_Island_Medium&usg=AFQjCNEjsawJnn7pMu5DZyM0Rr1pREzAZg&sig2=jL88mZywYroB5z6dDo_DqA (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjd1KL9nc_QAhUCKWMKHe3wANEQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLong_Island_Medium&usg=AFQjCNEjsawJnn7pMu5DZyM0Rr1pREzAZg&sig2=jL88mZywYroB5z6dDo_DqA)
And a rebuttal.
The ‘Medium’ Is Not the Messenger
Hardly does one talking-to-the-dead practitioner fade from view than another pops up, to the delight of the naifs who desperately need assurance that no one ever really dies but somehow instead just floats off to heaven, Valhalla, paradise or whatever Cloud Nine they fancy — to, um, “live” forever.
John Edward is now holding court in Las Vegas, and James Van Praagh still coos to his eagerly paying public in hotel auditoriums, but the newest (and far more attractive) dead-talker is the Long Island Medium, featured on The Learning Channel. She’s Theresa Caputo, a chatty blonde with impressive layers of eyeliner and lip gloss who does the old dependable “cold reading” act, and has rung their bell …
The Learning Channel has, sadly, recognized — along with so many other such outlets — that pseudo-science attracts viewers. They’ve reached their own private nirvana with Ms. Caputo.
Caputo does what’s known in my trade as “cold reading.” The very best practitioners can pick up enough information in what seems like innocent, idle conversation to convince you that they know very specific things about you. The scientific phenomenon is called the Forer effect — giving credence to vague observations that seem personal.
It’s called the Barnum effect, after that famous showman credited with coining the phrase, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiCzJTPoM_QAhUQ12MKHcxsCWQQFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fopinion_randilimedium0409%2F&usg=AFQjCNG_-_PW47AgxtP7y-hPMTmmK6Y0qQ&sig2=HAtWe1WOrJ-frBB61LjK-Q (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiCzJTPoM_QAhUQ12MKHcxsCWQQFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fopinion_randilimedium0409%2F&usg=AFQjCNG_-_PW47AgxtP7y-hPMTmmK6Y0qQ&sig2=HAtWe1WOrJ-frBB61LjK-Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAYG_cgqjWA
https://youtu.be/KAYG_cgqjWA
-
Want to run some laps around your brain?
Sexual Pathology: Demonic Possession or Parasitic Infection TPP04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4FNRX4JtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4FNRX4JtQ
-
How do you inspire the younguns??? I'm inspired. Really.
Five Finger Death Punch of course.
Language Warning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-2yuGgp_U8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-2yuGgp_U8
Ivan Moody developed a serious drinking problem while Five Finger Death Punch was touring in support of their American Capitalist album. The situation apparently got to the point where the band was threatening to replace Moody with a different frontman. The singer finally decided to get sober after a heart-to-heart conversation with Korn frontman Jonathan Davis, who struggled with drugs and alcohol early in his career. Moody told The Pulse of Radio that his personal experiences found their way into the lyrics for this song: "'Lift Me Up' was about overcoming, because it seems like sometimes there are these chains — and I know everybody can relate to this — and it's almost like you're just questioning, you're looking out to the universe to say, 'Hey, there's got to be more than this, you know, help me get out of this rut,'" he said. "And so 'Lift Me Up' was just more of a positive feed on how to get by and how to overcome."
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjh8YDLrM_QAhVK92MKHbdUDbEQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.songfacts.com%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D29378&usg=AFQjCNHbcU4O6-dVbZtfrZDpNQ-fu9MetA&sig2=84qy72V6MuElaTij1PIodA (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjh8YDLrM_QAhVK92MKHbdUDbEQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.songfacts.com%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D29378&usg=AFQjCNHbcU4O6-dVbZtfrZDpNQ-fu9MetA&sig2=84qy72V6MuElaTij1PIodA)
-
Survey Finds Most American Christians Are Actually Heretics
Evangelical writer Eric Metaxas remarked on BreakPoint last week that if Americans took a theology exam, their only hope of passing would be if God graded on a curve. He’s right. In knowing both the content of the Bible and the doctrinal foundations of Christianity, we Americans aren’t just at the bottom of our class. We are, as Ross Douthat argues in his book, “Bad Religion,” a nation of heretics.
A survey of 3,000 people conducted by LifeWay Research and commissioned by Ligonier Ministries found that although Americans still overwhelmingly identify as “Christian,” startling percentages of the nation embrace ancient errors condemned by all major Christian traditions. These are not minor points of doctrine, but core ideas that define Christianity itself. The really sad part? Even when we’re denying the divinity of Christ, we can’t keep our story straight. Americans talking about theology sound about as competent as country singers rapping.
We’re an Embarrassment to Heretics Everywhere
Seven out of ten respondents in LifeWay’s survey affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity—that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons but one God, and six in ten agreed that Jesus is both human and divine. Their orthodoxy—and consistency—ended there. More than half went on to indicate that Jesus is “the first and greatest being created by God,” a heresy known as Arianism, which the Council of Nicaea condemned in 325 A.D.
Of course, most of these accidental blasphemers aren’t preparing to revise the resulting Nicene Creed and preach a creaturely Christ. Rather, bizarre contradictions like this illustrate how many Americans don’t understand or even care what the Trinity means (although they say they believe in it, likely out of habits learned growing up in church).
The responses to other questions were no less heterodox or headache-inducing. Seventy percent of participants—who ranged across socioeconomic and racial backgrounds—agreed there’s only one true God. Yet sixty-four percent also thought this God accepts the worship of all religions, including those that believe in many gods.
Two-thirds admitted that everyone sins a little bit, but still insisted that most people are good by nature, which directly contradicts scripture (See “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God,” and “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”). Over half said it’s fair for God to exercise his wrath against sin, but seemed to waffle about which sins deserved wrath (not theirs!). Seventy-four percent said the “smallest sins” don’t warrant eternal damnation, in contrast to Jesus’ brother, who when writing at the Holy Spirit’s inspiration taught that even one infraction of God’s law is enough to sink someone. But really, what did he know?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI7uPtrM_QAhVW62MKHUS_CFIQFggvMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2016%2F10%2F10%2Fsurvey-finds-american-christians-actually-heretics%2F&usg=AFQjCNFb2yJk3LwgrKgRFcKBPwqt1fvLDA&sig2=m2r5ZDmYfFLdI6p0w_GCpw (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI7uPtrM_QAhVW62MKHUS_CFIQFggvMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2016%2F10%2F10%2Fsurvey-finds-american-christians-actually-heretics%2F&usg=AFQjCNFb2yJk3LwgrKgRFcKBPwqt1fvLDA&sig2=m2r5ZDmYfFLdI6p0w_GCpw)
-
Mankind is a parasite. Ancient knowledge held by secret societies concerning the cataclysm that destroyed the advanced civilization of the megalithic builders--aka Atlantis. Causing a tilt of the earth. The repositioning of Antarctica to a southern pole. Religion is a deception to bring control to a devastated world. To rebuild civilization back to a golden age. The 2012 shift to a new cycle. We are currently just beginning to rise from the depths of the Dark Age to a more enlightened one. Information held in the Vatican library. Not for general dissemination.
-
I wholly agree that extolling select groups as the saviors of mankind is dangerous. We've seen some proclamations from people in the selection of the last two Presidents that boggles the mind. People elevating them to diefication type status.
I'm trying to think of an example where that worked out really well in the past and I can't think of one.
I suppose it can be said that the advent of Christianity would be the one. But only if you are a Christian.
Then again most of the world would agree that it is only through western thought that civilization is what it is today. And that only came about because of Christianity.
-
Atheism and the Problem of Evil
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8nKXZ-NHQAhUFMGMKHdb0DBQQFgg_MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservapedia.com%2FAtheism_and_the_Problem_of_Evil&usg=AFQjCNG8JOLXNykOZF1BBDE-QyuNKQ6rmw&sig2=1NS4qxFykhd-iRcxL8kcJA
-
Atheism and gratitude
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_gratitude
-
If any of you haven't read Joseph Campbell's series The Masks of God you probably should.
He lays it all out there.
From ancient Mother Goddess worship to the Patriarchal Age.
It is interesting how many cultures borrowed the stories, legends, and myths from others and called it their own.
-
I'm not going to get into Islam since anyone who actually knows about it knows that it is perhaps the biggest blight to hit the planet in the history of history.
Historical references are of no use as it the here and now of it that is the concern.
-
There is no Good and Evil except in Perception
Good and evil does not exist. At a fundamental level, there is really no good and evil in the universe. Everything just is. It is perception that frames reality. Good and evil is based on perception. Therefore the perception of good and evil depends on the one perceiving it. If you perceive something as good, then to you it is good. If you perceive something as evil, then to you it is evil. We can choose our own frame of reality or we can choose to follow the frame set by another in his perception of good and evil.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiRn6u0w9TQAhUL9mMKHXwQDxoQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mindreality.com%2Fthere-is-no-good-and-evil-except-in-perception&usg=AFQjCNGToDRQgZGZ4Ky72PLTkpczBkRVew&sig2=krXYQQ-1o71zPVln7zUhQA
(http://i67.tinypic.com/90w13d.jpg)
-
Perceptions of Evil - What is Evil? - DeliriumsRealm.com
One of humanity’s most common theological questions is how to answer the fundamental question, “What is evil?” How can you create a working definition of evil that accounts for (1) mass genocides, atrocities like the Holocaust, or a gunman walking into an elementary school and opening fire, and (2) natural occurrences that cause mass destruction like floods, tidal waves, hurricanes and the like? What about diseases, AIDS epidemics, and cancer? Are natural occurrences truly “evil” or should evil be limited to deliberate wrongdoing or acts of rebellion that intentionally cause harm to others?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiRn6u0w9TQAhUL9mMKHXwQDxoQFggiMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deliriumsrealm.com%2Fwhat-is-evil%2F&usg=AFQjCNHuZiL7-Fnr_t3XhjHAKWLEKbtPwA&sig2=XH09_1LlaebC5v8m_i2s9g
(http://i63.tinypic.com/xde4xh.jpg)
-
(http://i63.tinypic.com/xde4xh.jpg)
.
I love that quote.
.
Otherwise . . . no offense . . . but your last few posts are rather askew from my perceptions, convictions and constructions of reality from my frame of reference.
.
I do NOT buy into the notion that the Biblical record is 'merely' a borrowing from a lot of 'more ancient' stuff.
.
And, for me, by definition,
.
Almighty God--Yehovah--the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob has proven abundantly in His written Word, that HE IS altogether Good--even though we don't have the original autographs--what we do have conclusively proves it was sourced beyond our time/space dimension by beyond 'natural' means. And, that apart from Him, mankind collectively and individually with pride, rebellion and idolatry of all manner of junk will turn more and more toward destruction, pain, suffering, selfishness, evil.
.
.
Chuck Missler's
.
Hidden Treasures of the Bible
.
is a good place to start on such issues:
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUkak5vWYbU
.
His
.
What About Hidden Messages? and the Bible Proved
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5K-e4NaxeE
.
Is also worth the time, imho.
.
And, in terms of evil . . . his
.
The Origin of Evil (Session 1)
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGVYIoO_Qf0
.
Is well worth the time.
.
-
@Quix
My posts don't necessarily reflect what I believe. I'm throwing out some information in the hope someone finds something there to help them with any questions they may have.
What I believe is something I have known all my life. That I have a wealth of information to back that up, from other sources, only serves to strengthen that.
-
Hinduism
Hinduism has over 1.08 billion adherents worldwide (15% of world's population) with about 95% living in India . Along with Christianity (31.5%), Islam (23.2%) and Buddhism (7.1%), Hinduism is one of the four major religions of the world by percentage of population. Most Hindus are found in Asian countries.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjUyrKstt7QAhUFS2MKHU_uCYEQFggkMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHinduism_by_country&usg=AFQjCNGtogJi0nkWE86NN-VC35vLM_SgTw&sig2=6eusyYXiH1Rz6rMi1Keo-g
15% of the world population surrounded by darkness in one major religion.
Hindus believe in Karma and reincarnation. A near-endless cycle. Born into a caste system that is unbreakable.
So you have over a billion people sitting on their ass in lifelong lethargy. After millions of years of this cycling you would think, that by now, they would have a clue.
Naught.
I'll leave them alone now. That is what they want anyhooskies.
-
Arthur C. Clarke - The Nine Billion Names of God
Nice little short story. Really short. To the point. Fun reading for all.
Many consider novelist Arthur C. Clarke's 1953 story The Nine Billion Names for God to be one of the finest stories in the history of science ...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiL8f_YuN7QAhUP4mMKHSBJDA4QFggrMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdownlode.org%2FEtext%2Fnine_billion_names_of_god.html&usg=AFQjCNF450bDWdtedELPfwBhVANU0V7Weg&sig2=7s-yt8knyZl-IWd8nGI8mQ
-
Show of hands. Everyone who knows DMT should be a mandatory experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtT6Xkk-kzk
https://youtu.be/8WpWJVVAIxY
Since DMT is in everything how bad can it be?
-
Adherents, Persons, and Human Beings
World Religions statistics & pie charts
world religions pie chart
This pie chart is based on statistics listing peoples self-admitted adherence to one of the major world religions, or to other faiths, or to people stating that they are of no religion.
As you will see the pie chart only mentions percentages of the world's population whose religiously related self-admission places them in each category.
(http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/mysticism/world_religions_pie_chart.gif)
To get a better idea of the numerical population size statistics please consult the following list of the major world religions.
Christians:
2,100,000,000 adherents - tending to decline in terms of global percentage
Muslims:
1,500,000,000 persons - tending to increase in terms of global percentage
Of no religion:
1,100,000,000 Human Beings - tending to decline in terms of global percentage
Hindus:
900,000,000 adherents - stable in terms of global percentage
Chinese folk religionists:
400,000,000 persons
Primal religionists:
400,000,000 Human Beings
Buddhists:
375,000,000 adherents - stable in terms of global percentage
Sikhs:
24,000,000 persons
Jews:
14,500,000 Human Beings
Baha'is:
7,400,000 adherents
Jains:
4,300,000 persons
Shintoists:
4,000,000Human Beings
Taoism:
2,700,000 adherents
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUgMqwheHQAhVSz2MKHXtkCCQQFgg7MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.age-of-the-sage.org%2Fmysticism%2Fworld_religions_populations.html&usg=AFQjCNGGGO7uxJF4SSDf1Mp_zHuuxtdCXw&sig2=gEZpWGtz2rDwa_A5QU5HtA
I don't know why moslems are counted as a world religion. IBMers.
-
I hear too many people complaining about how their church is being run. They need to realize that by doing so they have started their own church already and should go with that. If you don't like something let it go.
Remember the story about the guy trying to get his life together. Making some changes. Cleaning up his act. He has some dogs and they have made a mess in his yard. He hasn't been keeping up. So he gets a big trash bag and starts filling it with dog poop. Drags it over to the sidewalk and then starts mowing. Thinking big thoughts he runs the mower into the bag of dog doo. Dog crap is flying everywhere and he is trying to get the mower free when he lets go of the mower handle and the mower stops.
-
Let's see now.
A couple of billion uncaring bastards.
A billion sitting on their ass doing nothing.
A half billion sitting on their ass trying to do nothing.
A couple of billion supposedly getting off their ass and onto their knees.
Over a billion and rapidly expanding trying to force the rest of the world onto their knees.
That's not even counting the Animists, Pagans, Indigenous Primalists, etc.
That is a whole bunch of darkness.
Sum it all up and this world isn't going to Hell. This is Hell.
Thanks, people.
Thanks a whole bunch.
-
Arthur C. Clarke - The Nine Billion Names of God
Nice little short story. Really short. To the point. Fun reading for all.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiL8f_YuN7QAhUP4mMKHSBJDA4QFggrMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdownlode.org%2FEtext%2Fnine_billion_names_of_god.html&usg=AFQjCNF450bDWdtedELPfwBhVANU0V7Weg&sig2=7s-yt8knyZl-IWd8nGI8mQ
That and his short story "The Star". It won a Hugo, and it's only four pages.
I'm jonsing for your snow cone tonight. It looks so yummy.
-
That and his short story "The Star". It won a Hugo, and it's only four pages.
I'm jonsing for your snow cone tonight. It looks so yummy.
I don't know about a sno=cone. But I could go for a banana split.
-
I don't know about a sno=cone. But I could go for a banana split.
So can I. Minus banana.
How can evil exist in the world when banana splits exist?
-
So can I. Minus banana.
How can evil exist in the world when banana splits exist?
Blame Madison Avenue.
-
Blame Madison Avenue.
I'm in a silly, lonely mood. I didn't mean to thread jack your thread. I just love ice cream. I could eat it all day.
-
If anyone needs proof of the existence of an Intelligent Designer, A Creator, The One, The Source, God I point to you the miracle of chocolate.
Chocolate melts in your mouth and not your hand. A happy coincidence? A mere whim of nature?
I think not. No chance.
And considering where we are at.
There is no chance in Hell.
heh heh heh
-
I'm in a silly, lonely mood. I didn't mean to thread jack your thread. I just love ice cream. I could eat it all day.
I don't know how it could be a thread hijack.
The whole point of this thread is to point out the lack of ice cream in the world.
-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWOpQXTltA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWOpQXTltA
-
Violence, The Media And Your Brain | Psychology Today
Suspension of disbelief is entertaining. Sitting passively and watching “The Dark Knight Rises” or playing Grand Theft Auto is a fun way to relax and forget about real life for a bit. Where’s the harm in that?
The evidence continues to mount that it’s not all good. A study by the Indiana University School of Medicine examined young men and violent media exposure. There were visible alterations in MRI brain scans after only one week of playing a violent video game. In particular, there was a significant decrease in the activation of prefrontal portions of the brain and a greater activation of the amygdala.
The Macquarie University Children and Families Research Centre found that children who watch violent movies are more likely to view the world as an unsympathetic, malicious and scary place and that this stimulates aggression. It also suggests children are more likely to exhibit combative behavior while becoming desensitized to violence. Reportedly, the MRI brain scans of children who have viewed film or television violence had a similar look when compared to those who have violently acted out.
I want someone to tell me why actual war, murders, or other real acts of violence that are recorded, aren't shown on all the TV stations? They should, in fact, be daily fare in prime time every evening and on Saturday morning so the kiddies don't miss a out.
-
I posted this at the beginning of the thread:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/258xhn9.jpg)
uh huh
-
So this is what he is saying. We have pushed the darkness past our planetary boundary a bit, but the circumference of the circle od darkness, what we don't know, has grown. Right? Right.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2a6a2jm.jpg)
-
Hey, Einstein. This is what I think.
We only have a thin veil of darkness that envelops us.
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/wjv49.jpg)
Religion was only ever meant to facilitate your communication with something better than yourself. Even if that is a better you. If it is a means to control YOUR life you should think about that.
Science follows God. The more we know the thinner the veil.
We are surrounded by light. YOU are light. With a little work the darkness disappears. And then where you go you find this sign.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2a4zm90.jpg)
-
Science follows God. The more we know the thinner the veil.
Quite the other way around...
That whose foundation is rooted in pharmakopia and alchemy are hardly the basis for finding God.
Think of this:
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil... Prior to Man's fall, when he walked with God in the cool of the evening... THEN he only had knowledge of the good.
-
Quite the other way around...
That whose foundation is rooted in pharmakopia and alchemy are hardly the basis for finding God.
Think of this:
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil... Prior to Man's fall, when he walked with God in the cool of the evening... THEN he only had knowledge of the good.
The commandmant was a moral choice: Obey or disobey. Use knowledge to obey or disobey. The seeking of knowledge to obey or disobey. The use of newfound knowledge to obey or disobey. To everything there is a season.
Everything was created and is waiting to be found. People don't "create" anything. They use knowledge or seek knowledge to arrange information. Take it apart to see how it works.
It is the introduction of free agency. The right to choose. Obey and all things are given in its time. Ask the question right and it will be answered. The gaining of knowledge with experience and wisdom.
Disobey and your knowledge is gained without that wisdom and experience. Use of that knowledge without that wisdom and experience can lead to bad things. Evil exists. Good exists.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/6fbn10.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/1444hno.jpg)
Using a match to light a fire in your fireplace is a good thing. Putting a can of gas in your car to drive to the store to buy more matches because you discovered you don't really know how to build a fire in your fireplace is a good thing. A match and can of gas in the hands of a kid to start a nine alarm fire? Then thou shalt surely die.
-
It is the introduction of free agency. The right to choose.
It is also the introduction of entropy - the right to choose is true, but the wrong choice brings death.
So in the end, there really isn't a choice - the knowledge of good is what you need... The knowledge of evil is complication, destruction, and death.
Wisdom chooses good.
-
It is also the introduction of entropy - the right to choose is true, but the wrong choice brings death.
So in the end, there really isn't a choice - the knowledge of good is what you need... The knowledge of evil is complication, destruction, and death.
Wisdom chooses good.
Right. The Fall. The loss of innocence. Knowledge without wisdom.
Your nature is good. The first reaction. The first instinct. Your second nature 'will' choose the bad. So important in court cases. Self defense. First nature: I shot the SOB in self defense. Second nature: I shot the SOB in self defense until I ran out of bullets, then I reloaded and shot him some more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_sAHh9s08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_sAHh9s08
Knowledge is power. Use your power, your wisdom. There really is a Santa Clause.
Return to innocence.
-
All right people.
I am only going to say this repeatedly.
Merry Christmas!
-
Hi @Atenez
-
"The roof is on fire"
-
"Burning Down The House"
-
Hey! @Mod2
Over 2,000 views. Zero deaths. Yay!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4Yfdg4Nfw