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The word "unrealized" appears 18 times in this thread.  How is it that you have yet to see it?
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@banddag

Here is what YOU posted:

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To capture the financial reality of the richest Americans, ProPublica undertook an analysis that has never been done before. We compared how much in taxes the 25 richest Americans paid each year to how much Forbes estimated their wealth grew in that same time period.

We’re going to call this their true tax rate.


https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax

An analysis that has never been done before?  Their true [sic] tax rate?  Again, let's stick with reality, shall we?
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Exactly.  So why are you pretending otherwise by buying into that ProPublica bullshit?


Link please to what Pro Publica said regarding this-capital gains on a house that increases 10% in value.
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Show me in the tax code where you have to pay capital gains on a house that goes up in value that you are living  in and  not selling.  I own apartments and office buildings.   Never had to pay capital gains of course never sold them either..yet. .

Exactly.  So why are you pretending otherwise by buying into that ProPublica bullshit?
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  Are you capable of thinking for yourself?

  For example, let's say you pay $100k for a house.  Next year, the government appraises the value of your house at $110k.  So according to ProPublica, you should have to pay taxes on that $10k increase even though you did not see a dime of it. 

Show me in the tax code where you have to pay capital gains on a house that goes up in value that you are living  in and  not selling.  I own apartments and office buildings.   Never had to pay capital gains of course never sold them either..yet. .

Yeah, I have  a great tax accountant  and might not know everything but I know Billionaires are not paying 40%. I showed how Musk and Bezos are doing it through borrowing from stock as one example.


You only pay the capital gains tax after you sell an asset. Let's say you bought your home 2 years ago and it's increased in value by $10,000. You don't need to pay the tax until you sell the home.

Capital Gains Tax On Real Estate And Home Sales: A Guide



Yes, I think for  myself. I figured out .long ago listening  from  the doom and gloom from the rw fear porn mongers most of it is 99% utter bullshit. Forbes today said the 44% biden tax proposal is a nothing burger.

BTW met with my CFP today.  Our investments are at record levels. But wait I thought the RW fear porn dipshits said Biden was going to cause a depression and the stock market would be another 1929. Guess not
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The same libs who blast Noem for killing a dog have no qualms with killing a human in the womb.
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I say that having just lost my companion of seventeen years last spring - A small Aussie Shepherd that worked most of his life with livestock and was a grand help. And he never bothered the chickens, and made a fair peace with the barn cats. He wasn't much for guardian - too small of frame... But he'd work with the guard dogs, playing heeler as they came head on.

That was a hella good dog, ol Chewy was. But had he been otherwise he would be no more.

Is that the one who would drop the frisbee through the fence?
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I posted multiple links what he is paying. The top 400 richest families in the US pay on average just over 8%.   

Business Insider on Bezos


If you account for the $127 billion increase to his net worth that came from stocks appreciating in value over time, that $1.4 billion Bezos paid in federal income taxes accounts for just over 1%.


Again, unrealized gains are not taxable.  Why do you continue pretending they are?  Do you really not understand how taxes work?  Because each time you cling to this false premise, you end up looking like an even bigger fool.  Let's limit this discussion to reality, ok?
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Here is what Musk is doing.:[/b]
However, ProPublica pointed out that his “true tax rate” for the five-year period .  .  .

Yeah, we covered this already.  Did you not read my posts?  ProPublica has invented its own tax rate on imaginary income that is not founded in reality.  This was pointed out to you by several posters here.  Are you capable of thinking for yourself?

Let's review again.  ProPublica is saying that people should pay tax on any rise in the value of capital investment from year to year.  For example, let's say you pay $100k for a house.  Next year, the government appraises the value of your house at $110k.  So according to ProPublica, you should have to pay taxes on that $10k increase even though you did not see a dime of it.  The same goes for stock (except of course stocks owned by big liberal universities with massive endowments).  So if you have $100k tucked away in your 401(k) and the value of that stock goes up 10% in a given year, then you would be expected to stroke a check to the federal government for that increase that you never saw.  Think about that.  Isn't that the dumbest idea you've ever heard?

And of course what happens if that value goes down instead?  Wouldn't the government then be on the hook for paying out tax refunds on those losses?  Are you down with that, too?
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