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General Category => National/Breaking News => Second Amendment => Topic started by: txradioguy on April 18, 2017, 07:04:20 pm

Title: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: txradioguy on April 18, 2017, 07:04:20 pm
It’s time to break out the champagne if you’re a gun owner in Iowa: Gov. Terry Branstad (R) has signed a sweeping measure into law which greatly expands the Second Amendment rights of citizens in the Hawkeye State.

According to the NRA-ILA, House File 517 includes a Stand Your Ground provision, which basically ensures that a law-abiding citizen doesn’t have a “duty to retreat from any place where the person is lawfully present” before defending themselves with force.

Under HF 17, it’s also now legal for Iowans with permits to carry a handgun in the state capitol building; children below the age of 14 can handle pistols or revolvers under direct parental supervision; ownership and use of short barreled rifles is legalized and the records containing the names and addresses of concealed carry permit holders are to be kept confidential.

In addition, HF 17 protects the rights of gun owners in Iowa by stripping away the power of any government official to “prohibit, regulate or curtail the otherwise lawful possession, carrying, transportation, transfer or defensive use of firearms or ammunition, or to seize or confiscate legally possessed firearms and ammunition” during a state of emergency, the NRA-ILA says.

The Hill says HF 17 also lets concealed carriers show proof of a permit at a later date, a reversal of a state law that made leaving a concealed carry permit at home a misdemeanor.

Most provisions of the bill take effect on July 1, but a couple — permit privacy and children under 14 handling firearms — go into effect immediately.

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/terry-branstad-pro-gun-bill/

Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: geronl on April 18, 2017, 07:06:53 pm
What... no rider expanding state subsidies for his ethanol business?
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: thackney on April 18, 2017, 07:24:49 pm
What... no rider expanding state subsidies for his ethanol business?

Nope.  But it does legislate riding a snowmobile while armed.

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/legislation/BillBook?ba=HF517&ga=87
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: geronl on April 18, 2017, 07:41:08 pm
Nope.  But it does legislate riding a snowmobile while armed.

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/legislation/BillBook?ba=HF517&ga=87

That's germane to the topic of the bill, at least. lol.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Wingnut on April 18, 2017, 07:55:14 pm
That's germane to the topic of the bill, at least. lol.

The Germans got nothin' to do with it.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: geronl on April 18, 2017, 08:00:23 pm
German Snowmobile Gangs Rampage Iowa!

film at 11!
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 18, 2017, 09:00:43 pm
Woot! Finally, after all these years we Iowans can finally defend ourselves.

And after getting the Senate back from many years under the control of the other party, we've passed voter ID, collective bargaining reform and now the stand your ground, among others. Iowa finally starting to be the red state it really is.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: thackney on April 18, 2017, 09:02:43 pm
Woot! Finally, after all these years we Iowans can finally defend ourselves.

and defend others, and defend your property.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Wingnut on April 18, 2017, 09:04:54 pm
and defend others, and defend your property.

The snowflakes in that one city in Johnson Co will co crazy over this news!
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 18, 2017, 09:06:36 pm
The snowflakes in that one city in Johnson Co will co crazy over this news!

Iowa City. Have the popcorn ready.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: geronl on April 18, 2017, 09:13:26 pm
Woot! Finally, after all these years we Iowans can finally defend ourselves.

And after getting the Senate back from many years under the control of the other party, we've passed voter ID, collective bargaining reform and now the stand your ground, among others. Iowa finally starting to be the red state it really is.

Now if we can wean them from the ethanol subsidies...
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Wingnut on April 18, 2017, 09:17:05 pm
Iowa City. Have the popcorn ready.

That be the one!     
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 19, 2017, 12:09:32 pm
Now if we can wean them from the ethanol subsidies...

What subsidies would those be?
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: thackney on April 19, 2017, 12:20:40 pm
What subsidies would those be?

Time to Repeal Ethanol Subsidies
https://www.cato.org/blog/time-repeal-ethanol-subsidies
FEBRUARY 9, 2017

...The subsidies include tax breaks, grants, loans, and loan guarantees. The government also imposes a mandate to blend biofuels into gasoline and diesel fuels....
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 19, 2017, 12:46:36 pm
Time to Repeal Ethanol Subsidies
https://www.cato.org/blog/time-repeal-ethanol-subsidies
FEBRUARY 9, 2017

...The subsidies include tax breaks, grants, loans, and loan guarantees. The government also imposes a mandate to blend biofuels into gasoline and diesel fuels....

The VEETC is gone, all that is left is the RFS, which is a federal, not Iowa program. Other breaks are pretty minor. Iowa itself I think only offers a small producers credit. If the RFS was intended as a price support, it's not doing much of a job.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: geronl on April 19, 2017, 12:52:30 pm
The VEETC is gone, all that is left is the RFS, which is a federal, not Iowa program. Other breaks are pretty minor. Iowa itself I think only offers a small producers credit. If the RFS was intended as a price support, it's not doing much of a job.

I was referring to the federal ethanol subsidies and the fuel mandate which forces gasoline-buyers to pay for it. The Brandstad family themselves personally benefit from it. They also slimed and attacked Ted Cruz for opposing ethanol subsidies in the primaries, which makes them slimeballs forever.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 19, 2017, 12:56:23 pm
I was referring to the federal ethanol subsidies and the fuel mandate which forces gasoline-buyers to pay for it. The Brandstad family themselves personally benefit from it.

How exactly do they benefit from it? The RFS may force consumers to buy it, but as a subsidy it hasn't exactly held up the price of ethanol. It's not really helping farmers that much.

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They also slimed and attacked Ted Cruz for opposing ethanol subsidies in the primaries, which makes them slimeballs forever.

As much as I'm a Cruz fan, that hyperbole is your religious belief, not mine, and you are free to preach that sermon at the worship center of your choice.
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: thackney on April 19, 2017, 01:22:57 pm
The VEETC is gone, all that is left is the RFS, which is a federal, not Iowa program.

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subsidies include tax breaks, grants, loans, and loan guarantees.

The mandate is not all that is left.  The direct subsidy per gallon is gone but others remain.

(http://www.heritage.org/sites/default/files/~/media/infographics/2016/07/bg3145/ud-ag-2016-biofuels-table-1-subsidies-in-2014-farm-bill-825.jpg)

http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/eliminate-favorable-treatment-biofuels
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: geronl on April 19, 2017, 01:48:29 pm
"such sums as necessary" = blank check
Title: Re: Iowa Governor Terry Branstad Signs Sweeping Pro-Gun Bill Into Law
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 19, 2017, 02:04:45 pm
@thackney

Considering the number of plants out there at about 200, and given the cost of a 100Mgal plant is about $200M, plus some of that going to biodiesel and other biomass operations, the impact of those programs economically is pretty minor per ethanol plant. Doubtful enough to change the spreadsheet numbers significantly.

RFS pretty much dominates the picture, and it hasn't held up prices much.