I still wouldn't give the seat to a baby murdering Democrat.
Two accusers claiming sexual misconduct become harder to refute. This is not good, but we shall have to keep an eye out for anything else that may fall out of the blue.
I still wouldn't give the seat to a baby murdering Democrat.
Then you should join the many Republicans and conservatives who are urging Moore to step down now while there is still time to call for postponement of the special election.
Postponement based on what? Rumors and innuendo? There is no postponing this election. Roy Moore and the Rat are going to be on the ballot in Dec and that's that. There is no putting Jeff Sessions back in, there is no replacing Moore with Luther Strange. There is no kicking Moore out of the Senate should he win. This is what it is. There are no legitimate legal work arounds from Moore and the Rat being elected in the state.
This is a special election; why couldn't it be postponed if the majority party suddenly lacks a candidate?
If Moore's on the ballot then Doug Jones wins.
This is a special election; why couldn't it be postponed if the majority party suddenly lacks a candidate?
If Moore's on the ballot then Doug Jones wins.
Two accusers claiming sexual misconduct become harder to refute. This is not good, but we shall have to keep an eye out for anything else that may fall out of the blue.
I still wouldn't give the seat to a baby murdering Democrat.
Then you should join the many Republicans and conservatives who are urging Moore to step down now while there is still time to call for postponement of the special election.
Regardless of guilt or innocence the GOPe has already determined that he is guilty and his career is over...unless there becomes overwhelming evidence that these women lied.
@DiogenesLamp
Well, I agree with that. But I wouldn't want either one of them in there---a baby murderer or someone who gropes children. And if I were an Alabaman, I wouldn't put my soul on the line and cast a vote for either of them. This is when people of faith stand back and realize God has it all in His control.
If we are leaving it to God, I believe he has this thing called "redemption." Can a man be redeemed for something he did 40 years ago by living an exemplary life ever since?
Once again, we are down to a binary choice. There is no "none of the above" option on the ballot. It will be Moore, or it will be Jones.
Moore may or may not have touched some girls inappropriately 40 years ago. Jones advocates partial birth abortion right now. (And transgenders using girls bathrooms, and all the usual Democrat insanity.)
People would have us be "penny wise and pound foolish."
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"Someone tried to play with my kitty."
@DiogenesLamp
Nah, no binary choice. There are some things we just know we shouldn't be a part of. Like I said, He has it.
If Moore's on the ballot then Doug Jones wins.
There is a good chance a write-in candidate will come up... and someone then, won't have to make the choice of the current two.
Luther Strange has not done well on DACA; but that is about the only thing. He is definitely pro-life...
The Democrats will vote Jones, and if Republicans split the ticket, it's going to be Jones.
What's all the fuss about didn't they put 'Groping' in the Party Platform last year.
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But as has been pointed out, Murkowski won as a write-in in Alaska.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/us/politics/18alaska.html
So, I'm not a fan of hers but this has already been discussed.
Can you prove it? Your photo is to the Nation, left wing source.
She was a sitting Senator with name recognition. I also think it was a corrupt deal.
She was a sitting Senator with name recognition. I also think it was a corrupt deal.
Can you prove it? Your photo is to the Nation, left wing source.
@TomSea @DiogenesLamp
It's finally out, my appreciation for certain Trump MUG SHOTS on the net make me a dem/russian troll here, thanks for 'outing me'.
@DiogenesLamp
Good catch. Why would someone on our side be reading "the nation" and linking to images from there?
But as has been pointed out, Murkowski won as a write-in in Alaska.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/us/politics/18alaska.html
So, I'm not a fan of hers but this has already been discussed.
I was way out of line there fellas, here's the official twitter photo
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@TomSea @DiogenesLamp
It's finally out, my appreciation for certain Trump MUG SHOTS on the net make me a dem/russian troll here, thanks for 'outing me'.
@DiogenesLamp
I wonder what "your side" means. Are you saying "The Side of Willful Ignorance"...the side that puts its head in the sand rather than read various sources to get a broad, informed view?
That stands in sharp contrast to the conservative side, which is built on information, not ad hominem.
@DiogenesLamp
I wonder what "your side" means. Are you saying "The Side of Willful Ignorance"...the side that puts its head in the sand rather than read various sources to get a broad, informed view?
That stands in sharp contrast to the conservative side, which is built on information, not ad hominem.
I was way out of line there fellas, here's the official twitter photo
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If we are leaving it to God, I believe he has this thing called "redemption." Can a man be redeemed for something he did 40 years ago by living an exemplary life ever since?
If Moore did touch those girls/women, they should have put it behind them already.
Once again, we are down to a binary choice. There is no "none of the above" option on the ballot. It will be Moore, or it will be Jones.
Moore may or may not have touched some girls inappropriately 40 years ago. Jones advocates partial birth abortion right now. (And transgenders using girls bathrooms, and all the usual Democrat insanity.)
People would have us be "penny wise and pound foolish."
Regardless of guilt or innocence the GOPe has already determined that he is guilty and his career is over...unless there becomes overwhelming evidence that these women lied.
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@corbe
Don't worry about it, a curious mind and reading varied sources doesn't make you a liberal. I would really like to see our side get over the notion that anything besides "approved" reading, etc makes you suspect. It's very TOSlike.
Yes, the swamp is going all out to get him. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are trying everything of which they can think to stop him from getting into the Senate.
Redemption can only come when one admits the transgression and asks for forgiveness. And if you know you did the deed and are publicly calling those who are calling you on it "liars" - you deserve total scorn. You are willfully worsening the injury to others due to your previous abusive actions all to avoid the consequences.
I don't know what happened here. With more than one accuser combined with known questionable behavior the benefit of the doubt has to go to the accusers it seems to me.
If this was a strategy from the GOPe swamp, they would have used it during the primaries to help Strange.
There is one potential way out: Alabama requires absolute majority of votes. If none poll a majority, it goes to runoff.
The Democrats will vote Jones, and if Republicans split the ticket, it's going to be Jones.
What's the count up to now? One woman making an allegation is one thing, but 5 or 6 certainly starts to sound more serious...especially if they are independent stories.
Vote how you want, but a write in campaign is still an option.
There is one potential way out: Alabama requires absolute majority of votes. If none poll a majority, it goes to runoff.
The write-in would have to finish first, or second but deny Jones a majority, for that to be plausible.
Are we then to gain useful knowledge from perusing Liberal sites and magazines? If any such exists there, you would be searching for a needle in a haystack to find it.
Yes, this has moved the preponderance of the evidence against Moore, but it doesn't change the larger moral question involved.
Those three were of age, legally, and said it was consensual.
There are two who accused him of sexual impropriety. The other three women said he hugged and kissed them, but nothing more than that. Ironically that serves as a character witness for his behavior.
If you want Jones elected.
@CatherineofAragon
I have read the Communist Manifesto, I'll admit but don't recall reading the Nation, though possible.
I thought the 'smirking' Trump was the perfect symbolism for the abstract thought I was trying to convey but if Truth be told I was probably trolling and only Frank cares.
@corbe
Which is always important, of course.
There are two who accused him of sexual impropriety. The other three women said he hugged and kissed them, but nothing more than that. Ironically that serves as a character witness for his behavior.
If you want Jones elected.
WHAT EVIDENCE????A "preponderance" of evidence is the standard for civil cases, not a criminal charge, which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's all hearsay, incidental, or circumstantial.
A "preponderance" of evidence is the standard for civil cases, not a criminal charge, which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
WHAT EVIDENCE????
It's all hearsay, incidental, or circumstantial.
A "preponderance" of evidence is the standard for civil cases, not a criminal charge, which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Those three were of age, legally, and said it was consensual.
Not molestation, no matter how you define that.
That leaves one with a questionable allegation, and an add-on (double down), both of whom remember pretty doggone vivid details--which reeks of possible coaching.
The devil's in the details. What 'old' cars had power locks in 1977?
I have no dog in this fight. But people I care about do.
I don't think it matters. If the car had power locks, he would not have allegedly needed to reach across to lock her door.
Also, didn't all power door lock systems have lock and unlock controls on both doors? I've never heard of a power door lock system with only one lock/unlock switch.
A "preponderance" of evidence is the standard for civil cases, not a criminal charge, which must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
And which way are they leaning?
The feature you are talking about is the master lockout switch - not available till far into computerization. The master switch, controlled by the driver, or sometimes either front seat, prevents the electric locks and electric windows from operating. But it didn't then, nor does it yet (to my knowledge) prevent the mechanical lock form operation on the door itself.
The wrong way, imho. I'd much rather see them write in Strange or Sessions than vote for Moore.
Ted Cruz has withdrawn his support. He's right to do so.
Yesterday I read about an attorney who used to work with Moore in Alabama. She said people wondered why he hung out at shopping malls trying to meet young girls. Guys, that's not normal. Sometimes people you like just turn out to be bad...it's as simple as that.
And sometimes people you don't like, are really bad. Bad on the level of supporting partial birth abortion, and men pretending to be female going into women's bathrooms.
Sometimes you have to hold your nose and vote for the lesser bad to prevent a far worse bad.
Ted Cruz has withdrawn his support. He's right to do so.
Yesterday I read about an attorney who used to work with Moore in Alabama. She said people wondered why he hung out at shopping malls trying to meet young girls. Guys, that's not normal. Sometimes people you like just turn out to be bad...it's as simple as that.
@DiogenesLamp
No. You don't vote for child molesters. You never do that.
The fact that I just wrote that sentence made me realize with a shock how far down the slope we've slipped.
I can't remember a single soul I could accuse of that from thirty years ago - Though I am sure they were there at the time. The clarity of these recollections is an amazement to me.
To paraphrase Judge Wapner, the preponderance of evidence is what a reasonable man would believe to be true.Let me remind you Wapner was in civil court, not criminal court, so a preponderance of evidence is appropriate for his venue.
There are two who accused him of sexual impropriety. The other three women said he hugged and kissed them, but nothing more than that. Ironically that serves as a character witness for his behavior.
I can't remember a single soul I could accuse of that from thirty years ago - Though I am sure they were there at the time. The clarity of these recollections is an amazement to me.We didn't have many shopping malls in the late '70s, and they were a big deal. Those were big town things.
@DiogenesLampSlipped far enough to call fellows interested in young ladies past the age of consent child molesters?
No. You don't vote for child molesters. You never do that.
The fact that I just wrote that sentence made me realize with a shock how far down the slope we've slipped.
I can't remember a single soul I could accuse of that from thirty years ago - Though I am sure they were there at the time. The clarity of these recollections is an amazement to me.
Accusations from 40 years ago?According to Lou Dobbs on FBN just now, Moore is still polling ahead by 4 points. McConnell and others trying to tell Alabamans what to do likely will not go over well.
(Well, ok, just THIRTY SEVEN OR THIRTY EIGHT years ago)
Now?
Sorry ladies.
That's too many years gone by, too much water under the bridge.
You should have come forward sooner, because your claims carry no weight now.
At least not with me.
I'd still vote for Moore if I could.
And I believe he's still in a position to win.
Saw a poll out a day or two ago (reported today) that shows the race with Moore ahead 55-45.
What this tells me is that Alabamans ain't buyin' what the northeastern elites are trying to sell them. And I think today's "accusations" may just make them double-down all the more.
I could be wrong.
We'll see.
But if Moore gets elected, that's only the beginning of the fireworks.
Saw another report today where Moore said (in a tweet) that McConnell is the one who should resign.
Judge Moore is literally throwin' down the gauntlet before the Senate.
But hey, guess what?
The Senate CANNOT REFUSE TO SEAT HIM, having been duly elected by his state.
That was settled by the U.S. Supreme Court in a case brought by Adam Clayton Powell in 1969.
If they try to expel him after he's sworn in, there's gonna be hell to pay.
They better think long and hard before they act.
But most of those Senators, well, I just don't seem them as being much smarter than I am.
And I never thought I was that smart a guy (sigh).
Yet dumb as I am, I know one thing:
When this is over, even if Moore is removed, the damage the Republicans do TO THEMSELVES by so doing is going to ruin their chances for 2018.
Judge Roy Moore for U.S. Senate!
Don't have a dog in this fight...
But actually the clarity of someones recollection does not amaze me. I have often ran into folks I may not have seen for 40-50 years and they will bring up something about someone we both knew and suddenly those long forgotten memories are crystal clear. :shrug:
Sure, me too - but not with the granularity of something like this...
My only dog in this hunt is the offense against a man's honor, simply on the say-so of tongue wagglers. 'Where there's smoke there's fire' - as has been recently quoted to me... Alright fine. fire is easy enough to find. So show me the fire.
Roy Moore's penchant for flirting with teen girls was "common knowledge" and "not a big secret" around Gadsden, according to some area residents.[/quote)
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home
Five women, 30 sources, Moore's admission he dated teenagers with their mother's permission.
Five women, 30 sources, Moore's admission he dated teenagers with their mother's permission.
Then, there's this:
Oh effing great. Who let you out of your padded cell?
You don't vote for child murders, and you don't vote for pervert enablers.
Sometimes you get dealt a bad hand.
You play it, and hope for a better hand in the future.
Well hiya Sink! Haven't seen you in a month of sundays!
And 40 years of exemplary service, Several times in the national spotlight several times to election, and one time for sure in the full glare of every hate-filled thing the left can spew (10 Commandments) and not a peep. Not a peep at all.
Now, suddenly and very conveeeeeeniently....
Bullshit.
And I don't care a whit that he was courtin gals with the consent of their mother. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Oh effing great. Who let you out of your padded cell?
Slipped far enough to call fellows interested in young ladies past the age of consent child molesters?
Believe the women or not. In the era of Weinstein and Spacey, lots of people have been empowered to come forward, people who had kept hidden their dark secrets for years. The shoe's on the other foot now. Women are to be believed, no matter when they come forward.
I lived with this in the Catholic Church, where kids were ridiculed because they didn't tell their parents about their parish priests. Yashir Ali of Huffington Post hosted a thread on Friday night of women and men, anonymously, sharing their tales of abuse. By night's end, there were over a hundred of these, most of whom had never shared their stories with anybody.
These power plays are now going to be exposed, no matter who the perps are. And we can all be thankful for it.
Yah right whatever... I can see why you have a sensitivity.
But this is rural Alabama.
That kind of dog don't hunt around there, and it don't matter a bit how powerful the dignitary may be. Sexual assault is a blood libel against a whole family. At the very least he'd have been run out of town. At the most he'd have been disappeared 3s style.
No record of any such going on. Not a single time where somebody's daddy or big brother taught him from the good book... no charges proffered, no hospital bills. Everyone just shut up and let him have his way, including the (even then) democrat press, who would have hated him with a passion for changing to GOP. They've had the long knives out for Roy Moore from a long, long time ago.
Yet not a PEEP of it in the press. Not a peep from the families. Not a peep from the community.
Common secret my ass.
It's bullshit.
It's a witch hunt.
Yah right whatever... I can see why you have a sensitivity.
But this is rural Alabama.
That kind of dog don't hunt around there, and it don't matter a bit how powerful the dignitary may be. Sexual assault is a blood libel against a whole family. At the very least he'd have been run out of town. At the most he'd have been disappeared 3s style.
No record of any such going on. Not a single time where somebody's daddy or big brother taught him from the good book... no charges proffered, no hospital bills. Everyone just shut up and let him have his way, including the (even then) democrat press, who would have hated him with a passion for changing to GOP. They've had the long knives out for Roy Moore from a long, long time ago.
Yet not a PEEP of it in the press. Not a peep from the families. Not a peep from the community.
Common secret my ass.
It's bullshit.
It's a witch hunt.
I wonder if this Roy's favorite song:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h2zp96Hzhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkR7u_sOtHI
Moore’s campaign says the yearbook signature is forged.
It's not.Which means the forger used a current signature as the sample. Note that the handwriting of the note is in a somewhat different style.
Compare the signatures down in this article. They're identical:
http://www.businessinsider.com/roy-moore-yearbook-sexual-assault-beverly-young-nelson-2017-11
Which means the forger used a current signature as the sample. Note that the handwriting of the note is in a somewhat different style.
@Smokin Joe
He molested a 14 year old, did you forget? That was no slip.
Moore’s campaign says the yearbook signature is forged.
Did anyone ever bother to verify she was 14 in 1979, was it? I've seen a comment from someone that claims to have dated her in 1977, and according to them, she was older than 16 in 1977.
So again, has anyone verified her age?
Moore’s campaign says the yearbook signature is forged.
Moore’s campaign says the yearbook signature is forged.
There is a good chance at the least, these stories are going to be embellished, I have also seen a person who purports to know about handwriting (not an expert per se) see the yearbook part is a forgery.
That depends on whether or not you find that account credible. oh and the truth, however you find her story.
@Smokin Joe
He molested a 14 year old, did you forget? That was no slip.
Well...according to "Wikipedia" approximately 30 women have come forward against him. That is pretty overwhelming. Though noted, "Wikipedia" is stating that a better source is needed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
You believe his lame-assed response over these five women?
Yes, and remember that Wiki is open source to Anyone.
Even I have corrected their copy in the past.
Are we then to gain useful knowledge from perusing Liberal sites and magazines? If any such exists there, you would be searching for a needle in a haystack to find it.
Did anyone ever bother to verify she was 14 in 1979, was it? I've seen a comment from someone that claims to have dated her in 1977, and according to them, she was older than 16 in 1977.
So again, has anyone verified her age?
Damned straight.
I'll believe Moore before I believe the incredible Christmas Miracle claims by women suddenly popping out of the woodwork to claim molestation after 40 years of silence and both Democrat and GOP leadership racing to microphones to demand he step aside.
I'm not into believing convenience in favor of the Oligarchy.
@INVAR, I’m curious...is that what you said about the claims made by Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, etc.?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h2zp96Hzhg
This is a special election; why couldn't it be postponed if the majority party suddenly lacks a candidate?
If Moore's on the ballot then Doug Jones wins.
Well...according to "Wikipedia" approximately 30 women have come forward against him. That is pretty overwhelming. Though noted, "Wikipedia" is stating that a better source is needed.Anyone can change what is in Wikipedia so I wouldn’t put it up as a legit reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
You're kidding. It's identical.
You're not defending Roy Moore, are you? You believe his lame-assed response over these five women?
They're just now saying that?
@Hoodat
Late last night. But now....I’ve been checking various conservative Twitter sources on my phone, and I’m going to have to backtrack through them. The campaign says Moore was not a DA and never signed anything personal as the DA, but a check revealed those claims aren’t true.
I’ll grab a screenshot of that post on my laptop and post it.
Remind me again of how many women falsely accused Herman Cain? And how
many falsely accused Donald Trump? This is SOP for the uniparty.
These don't appear to be false accusations.
Once again, the voters have selected a Social Conservative to hand over a Senate seat to the Dems.Spoken like a true RINO!
Moore is arrogant, and should never have been slinging stones in his glass house -- there's a reason Jesus talked about casting the first stone.
He might have done nothing illegal. Heck, the 14-year-old might have lied about her age, and stretched the situation. But his admission of dating proclivities is just enough to sow doubt without answering questions.
Just thing of qhat a few more GOP seats coukd hsve accomplished, even if not strongly conservative. Could we have a moratorium on SoCon nutbags, please?
These don't appear to be false accusations. The time is short to save this seat. Establishment Republicans aren't the only voice in this chorus - the most respected names in conservatism agree - Moore must step down.
Once again, the voters have selected a Social Conservative to hand over a Senate seat to the Dems.
That depends on whether or not you find that account credible. oh and the truth, however you find her story.
You have convicted him. Judge, jury, and executioner. We have no need of judge, jury, or Constitution.
Trial by combat! Tabloids at twenty paces!
If he did, it is unconscionable, despite that she might have told him she was older--and looked it.
If not, her tongue should be cut out.
Spoken like a true RINO!:thumbsup:
Has anyone else checked out this Old Hickory House place? If it h been around some 40 years, you’d think there would be a lot of reviews. But try to find any.
Right. We need more of your style people running like Jeff Flake, John McCain, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Charlie Dent, Eric Cantor who don't bother with social issues and stick to the serious matter of reaching across the aisle and getting important business done.
Excellent point.
Once again, the voters have selected a Social Conservative to hand over a Senate seat to the Dems.
Moore is arrogant, and should never have been slinging stones in his glass house -- there's a reason Jesus talked about casting the first stone.
He might have done nothing illegal. Heck, the 14-year-old might have lied about her age, and stretched the situation. But his admission of dating proclivities is just enough to sow doubt without answering questions.
Just thing of qhat a few more GOP seats coukd hsve accomplished, even if not strongly conservative. Could we have a moratorium on SoCon nutbags, please?
Spoken like a true RINO!
Then let me add -- "In their place, let's put forth constitutional conservatives!"
Like Mo Brooks.
You're not defending Roy Moore, are you? You believe his lame-assed response over these five women?
Clinton had a reputation and a lot of rumors and whispers of his sordid behavior that was serial in nature.
And, their stories had weight, merit and legit corroboration far beyond what I'm reading with Moore.
Gloria Allred was not exactly representing either Jones or Broderick either and the medi a nearly destroyed them both. In this case - the media is lofting the accusers up as hapless victims of a serial rapist.
I don't buy it. Not for a second. This is a political witch hunt, designed to make sure no one takes that seat that might not do what the Oligarchy wants.
@INVAR
Moore had a reputation, too.
To believe that all of these people are lying strains credulity.
No. Like Foster Brooks.
Moore had a reputation, too.
To believe that all of these people are lying strains credulity.
I’m sorry you allow partisanship to color your objectivity.
Remind me again of how many women falsely accused Herman Cain? And how
many falsely accused Donald Trump? This is SOP for the uniparty.
How do you know they were false?
They were all believable. And Trump said he was going to sue them. How many has he sued?
@INVAR
Moore had a reputation, too.
To believe that all of these people are lying strains credulity.
I’m sorry you allow partisanship to color your objectivity.
For INVAR, it's not partisanship, it's that Moore is his kind of bigoted assclown.
@Smokin JoeThe hell he isn't on trial, it's trial by Media.
Well, as I noted over and over on the Fight Club thread, and which I’m sure you saw, I wasn’t sure at the time. It looked that way to me. But now, after all of this from people n Alabama? A cop saying he was banned from the mall for harassing teenaged girls? Heck yeah, I think he’s guilty.
And it’s fine for me to think so. I’m not “convicting” him and there IS no need for a judge or jury—-he isn’t on trial. Politicians are tried in the court of public opinion.
This guy’s life isn’t going to be ruined by denying him higher office.
So if he’s guilty, she might have been partially to blame, because men in their thirties cruise malls for kids all the time. But if not, cut out her tongue. I’m thinking another body part would be more suitable for removal, and it isn’t hers.
No. Like Foster Brooks.
The hell he isn't on trial, it's trial by Media.Agree. That’s why these sleezeballs do it. It’s so easy to make allegations in the court of public opinion because they don’t have to prove their facts beyond a reasonable doubt. Just put it out there in the media, even paid for by the media, and wammo they’re guilty. Pathetic state of affairs in this country.
It is as common as cat crap in a litter box nowadays, and even here, half a dozen of you are calling for him to surrender a hard fought candidacy over allegations.
That, considering the effort, etc. put forth to get that far would represent being deprived of something he has worked for without due process of law. It's the same sort of character assassination carried out against another candidate, and as I said, if the charges have merit--IF, then he should step down--and IF he knowingly groped some girl younger than the age of consent or against her will, then produce the evidence and at least give the man a chance to be exonerated.
This sort of smear reeks of seven mistresses and daddy killing JFK. It has that same stink to it.
If this Old Hickory House has been around for 40 some odd years, then why isn’t there any reviews of it anywhere? Even Facebook has a made up page with no details. Nothing on Yelp either. Saw one page where it had only 4 employees and made only 100 grand a year.
Maybe people in Gadsden don't leave reviews.So Gadsden never gets tourists, the very people likely to leave reviews? Tell that to the Chamber of Commerce.
The hell he isn't on trial, it's trial by Media.
It is as common as cat crap in a litter box nowadays, and even here, half a dozen of you are calling for him to surrender a hard fought candidacy over allegations.
That, considering the effort, etc. put forth to get that far would represent being deprived of something he has worked for without due process of law. It's the same sort of character assassination carried out against another candidate, and as I said, if the charges have merit--IF, then he should step down--and IF he knowingly groped some girl younger than the age of consent or against her will, then produce the evidence and at least give the man a chance to be exonerated.
This sort of smear reeks of seven mistresses and daddy killing JFK. It has that same stink to it.
Because nothing ever came of them.
If this Old Hickory House has been around for 40 some odd years, then why isn’t there any reviews of it anywhere? Even Facebook has a made up page with no details. Nothing on Yelp either. Saw one page where it had only 4 employees and made only 100 grand a year.
Is losing Congress worth defending this unfit candidate?
If this Old Hickory House has been around for 40 some odd years, then why isn’t there any reviews of it anywhere? Even Facebook has a made up page with no details. Nothing on Yelp either. Saw one page where it had only 4 employees and made only 100 grand a year.
Really? Ole Mitch McConnell realizes we're at a turning point. Weinstein, Spacey, Louis CK have demonstrated that women don't lie about these kinds of things, that they don't tell because of fear they won't be believed, and, as the reaction has demonstrated, they don't tell because of how they'll be treated by defenders.
If the Grand Old Pederast party wants to go into next year's elections defending Roy Moore, good luck with that. Is losing Congress worth defending this unfit candidate?
Really? Ole Mitch McConnell realizes we're at a turning point. Weinstein, Spacey, Louis CK have demonstrated that women don't lie about these kinds of things, that they don't tell because of fear they won't be believed, and, as the reaction has demonstrated, they don't tell because of how they'll be treated by defenders.So is McConnell more principled than Moore? Forget their background
If the Grand Old Pederast party wants to go into next year's elections defending Roy Moore, good luck with that. Is losing Congress worth defending this unfit candidate?
LOL!! Those women are still around and they haven't backed off their accusations. Trump told you the way he acted toward women in the Access Hollywood tape, and you still won't believe him.
So why haven't they pursued those accusations in courts of law? Inquiring minds want to know!
Not that difficult to find, and most of these are old listings and reviews, from 2013 and before. (yes, some jokers added a review in the past week but there are also reviews from 2011 and 2013)The sign on the front says celebrating 40 years. So it could be that old when the women say her was a regular for years.
https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604
https://www.yelp.com/biz/old-hickory-house-gadsden?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing
(http://atlanta-food-critic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/header-old-hickory-house-northlake-tucker-dekalb.jpg)
So why haven't they pursued those accusations in courts of law? Inquiring minds want to know!
You're kidding. It's identical.As a teenager, I was falsely accused of some serious threats (non-sexual) by five teenage girls. They all took back their accusations against me, and most apologized. Maybe that's why I have more of a tendency to give the accused the benefit of the doubt.
You're not defending Roy Moore, are you? You believe his lame-assed response over these five women?
Depending on the source the best estimates are that only 34% to 50% of rapes/sexual assaults are reported to police. Of those that are reported a very small percentage result in jail time. Again depending on the source.So you go out of your way 40 years later to tarnish a person, because you don’t want to appear foolish?
(https://www.rainn.org/sites/default/files/Out_Of_1000_Rapes%20122016.png)
Depending on the source the best estimates are that only 34% to 50% of rapes/sexual assaults are reported to police. Of those that are reported a very small percentage result in jail time. Again depending on the source.
As a teenager, I was falsely accused of some serious threats (non-sexual) by five teenage girls. They all took back their accusations against me, and most apologized. Maybe that's why I have more of a tendency to give the accused the benefit of the doubt.
@INVARA reputation that somehow only came out when it could do the most collateral damage to anyone who isn't a Democrat.
Moore had a reputation, too.
To believe that all of these people are lying strains credulity.
I’m sorry you allow partisanship to color your objectivity.
As a teenager, I was falsely accused of some serious threats (non-sexual) by five teenage girls. They all took back their accusations against me, and most apologized. Maybe that's why I have more of a tendency to give the accused the benefit of the doubt.
If they lose Congress it will be due to their doing jack shit that they promised their constituents for 7 years leading up to the last election and acting like Democrats and supporting the Democrat agenda. It's NOT going to be due the fact that the voters in Alabama elect Moore to represent them.
Put the accusations of these women aside. He admits that as a 30+ year old man who held a position of power in the community he was chasing high school girls of 16 & 17 years old. He admits that. When asked if he 'dated' a 14 year old he deflected. He didn't say "heck no".
He's a scum bag.
A reputation that somehow only came out when it could do the most collateral damage to anyone who isn't a Democrat.
Moore was out of power in 2005. When he ran for his old seat again, they could have stopped him with this.
Moore was contending in a primary earlier this year. They could have stopped him with this and not handed the seat to a Democrat. The retaliation threat argument is bunk.
Do you mean to tell me that the Republican Party research team, containing some of the most notorious dirt-diggers in politics, is so inept that nobody on our side could see this?
Based on nothing more than what you've read and seen on TEEVEE you Tired and convicted him! Good Man! /S
Put the accusations of these women aside. He admits that as a 30+ year old man who held a position of power in the community he was chasing high school girls of 16 & 17 years old. He admits that. When asked if he 'dated' a 14 year old he deflected. He didn't say "heck no".I'm pretty sure he did say he never even met the 14-year-old.
So you're saying your opinions on this Roy Moore matter are biased.Aren't we all?
I believe the women. You don't. That's what this boils down to, Bigun.
Do you believe the hundred women who accused Harvey Weinstein? What about the dozen or so men who have accused Kevin Spacey?
Why is this different?
I'm pretty sure he did say he never even met the 14-year-old.
Furthermore, as I said before, the behavior in question abruptly stopped when he got married. That is not the sign of a sexual predator. That's the sign of a lack of dateable women his own age in Alabama. It's not like online dating existed at the time.
Pure and simple Judge Moore is getting "Cained" as in Herman Cain. Remember the alleged sexual misconduct he was accused of?I'll add that the Democrats have been more than willing to pile onto this. Note how we're fighting amongst ourselves, and a few people are throwing a guy under the bus that we can't afford to throw under the bus. What, give Murkowski and Collins even more power?
Remember how like this case Gloria Allred was involved as the attorney for one of the accusers?
If Judge More is forced out then you'll see this story and the accusers disappear just as fast as they did when Cain dropped out of the 2012 Presidential race...it will be "Mission Accomplished."
IMHO this is a dirty trick green lighted by McConnell because he's mad puppet Luther Strange didn't win the primary.
I do not believe or disbelieve allegations! I believe in PROOF!
So dating a teenager is acceptable if one decides there are no dateable women of one's own age?
How do you know the behavior stopped when he got married?
You're not going to get any more proof. There are men serving time in prison today based on the word alone of women.
I'll add that the Democrats have been more than willing to pile onto this. Note how we're fighting amongst ourselves, and a few people are throwing a guy under the bus that we can't afford to throw under the bus. What, give Murkowski and Collins even more power?
Saw this a little while ago and found it interesting:
(https://image.ibb.co/nxtoSb/moore2.jpg)
If you’re unfamiliar with Thomas Wictor, you’re missing a treat. He’s a Venezuelan-born recluse with a rich and varied past who, besides being the world’s greatest (and only) expert on World War I flamethrowers, also happens to produce some of the most fascinating Twitter threads and social media video commentary you will ever see on subjects ranging from Antifa to Pallywood to what’s really going on in Syria and Iraq.
Some of his output is so kooky and recondite that, quite possibly, it strays into the realm of conspiracy theory.
So dating a teenager is acceptable if one decides there are no dateable women of one's own age?The age of consent is 16 in Alabama, so yes. It's unseemly, but perfectly legal. Heck, how many songs are out there about hitting on 16, 17 year old girls? Neil Sedaka got rich on that kind of music; are we going to arrest him?
How do you know the behavior stopped when he got married?
I'll add that the Democrats have been more than willing to pile onto this. Note how we're fighting amongst ourselves, and a few people are throwing a guy under the bus that we can't afford to throw under the bus. What, give Murkowski and Collins even more power?
Agreed. We're eating our own and the Dems and establishment types are more than happy to sit back and :2popcorn: while Conservatives tear each other apart.
The age of consent is 16 in Alabama, so yes. It's unseemly, but perfectly legal. Heck, how many songs are out there about hitting on 16, 17 year old girls? Neil Sedaka got rich on that kind of music; are we going to arrest him?
As for your second question, all of the accusations are from a very narrow time frame in the late 1970s. Not one of the many accusers has accused him of any impropriety after that time frame.
The age of consent is 16 in Alabama, so yes. It's unseemly, but perfectly legal. Heck, how many songs are out there about hitting on 16, 17 year old girls? Neil Sedaka got rich on that kind of music; are we going to arrest him?
Conservatives are "tearing each other apart" because some conservatives are willing to defend the indefensible rather than demand this hypocrite step down, while there's still time.
Really? Ole Mitch McConnell realizes we're at a turning point. Weinstein, Spacey, Louis CK have demonstrated that women don't lie about these kinds of things, that they don't tell because of fear they won't be believed, and, as the reaction has demonstrated, they don't tell because of how they'll be treated by defenders.I found it interesting that a bunch of Hollywood types were getting stuck to the wall over sexual coercion, but they had something to offer, and used the casting couch in a quid pro quo arrangement. THe very nature of that quid pro quo arrangement makes the accounts of those involved (and they are legion) credible. It is long established behaviour, a definite pattern, and was apparently well known in Hollywood. BTW, I thought Spacey was into boys?
If the Grand Old Pederast party wants to go into next year's elections defending Roy Moore, good luck with that. Is losing Congress worth defending this unfit candidate?
Conservatives are "tearing each other apart" because some conservatives are willing to defend the indefensible rather than demand this hypocrite step down, while there's still time.There is no time. The ballots are already printed. That's why the WaPo waited until now to drop the story.
So you're saying your opinions on this Roy Moore matter are biased.If believing in "innocent until proven guilty" is a bias, then it is the right one to have.
I found it interesting that a bunch of Hollywood types were getting stuck to the wall over sexual coercion, but they had something to offer, and used the casting couch in a quid pro quo arrangement. THe very nature of that quid pro quo arrangement makes the accounts of those involved (and they are legion) credible. It is long established behaviour, a definite pattern, and was apparently well known in Hollywood. BTW, I thought Spacey was into boys?
While I consider all that improper (to put it mildly), Moore had just exactly what to hold out as incentive? He wasn't offering careers, he wasn't going to make anyone a 'star'. Attempts to create a 'longstanding pattern of behaviour' and a herd of 'victims' aren't working, at least with folks who aren't gullible, because those pushing the narrative have something to gain by doing so--the defeat of the Republican in the race. The Democrat (Liberal) paper who broke the story, who went looking for a story (not was contacted), at least one woman who is a democrat operative, the usual democrat-style hyperbole and distortion of fact that, when stripped away leaves a single accuser, oh wait, that didn't work, TWO! (classic double down).
Sorry, but the timing stinks on ice. NONE came forward in any of the other elections? Not even the primary? Talk about 11th hour!
It is a style of allegation which worked during the GOP primaries last year, though, accusations made (targeted for a regional audience) just before the election, dropped just after, with gobs of unnamed sources, or even National Enquirer articles, and now, we have a candidate who stood up to the GLBTQxyz lobby and upheld Alabama law. He even got in trouble for that. No wonder the heavily alphabetized crowd doesn't want him in DC! Who knows how many more Sex stories are there ready to burst in the place where real power is?
That's why I don't see the parallel, considering that Hollywood (a notoriously liberal Democrat cesspit of debauchery) has nothing at all to do with Moore, a Republican DA in Alabama. Worlds apart.
Mitch does realize we are at a turning point. He sees the GOPe losing power. Not to the Democrats, but the People. First, the GOPe candidates were swept from the primaries for POTUS, now this! The Horror.
Damnit, someone is trying to chase the critters out of the swamp! His swamp! He wanted Strange, and the stupid people of Alabama just wouldn't hand that to him, despite ten million dollars invested. They voted for that guy he didn't want. Now they are acting like Democrats trying to find a way around election results, and if they can't 'hang chad', then they'll hang Moore!
It's sad, but what the GOP does, it has already done it to itself. It's egregious failures to make credible efforts to fulfill the promises made when those dirtbags were elected makes them no better than the other party--and McConnell is at the head of that column.
I guess you always have the GLBTQxyz, 57 gender, if-it-feels-good-do-it Democrats you can run to if the GOPe country club doesn't have enough low-lifes to suit you.
If believing in "innocent until proven guilty" is a bias, then it is the right one to have.
Perhaps Luther Strange didn't pay for oppo research on Moore. It took a national media publication, with three reporters working for weeks on another story, to unearth these accusations. The women did not come forward on their own. And, you can see, from reactions like yours, why they didn't.The GOPe pumped 10 million into Strange's campaign. You can't tell me none of that went into opposition research and looking for dirt.
Like I said, you either believe the women, or you don't. You don't. Good luck with that.Women are just as capable of lying as men are.
I believe the women. You don't. That's what this boils down to, Bigun.Harvey could make them a star (or stop them from being one). Quid pro quo.
Do you believe the hundred women who accused Harvey Weinstein? What about the dozen or so men who have accused Kevin Spacey?
Why is this different?
The GOPe pumped 10 million into Strange's campaign. You can't tell me none of that went into opposition research and looking for dirt.
Maybe they did but Strange and/or the GOP decided they didn't want this to come out just in case he won. But that's why so many, including the likes of Cruz, are abandoning him so quickly versus assuming this is drummed up. They already knew this was out and probably have seen even more. They were hoping only they knew in the primary and it wouldn't be an issue..Nice speculation, but I doubt it. They would have used it, because Strange wasn't polling with a clear margin. That was the time to drop that bomb if they had it.
Nice speculation, but I doubt it. They would have used it, because Strange wasn't polling with a clear margin. That was the time to drop that bomb if they had it.
You either believe the women, or you don't. I guess you don't.
Republicans don't play those games in primaries against their own.
Even Jeff Sessions, who probably would know more than most being from that district, just came out in support of the accusers against Moore. That says a lot.
Republicans don't play those games in primaries against their own.Seven mistresses.
Even Jeff Sessions, who probably would know more than most being from that district, just came out in support of the accusers against Moore. That says a lot.
Republicans don't play those games in primaries against their own.
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The GOPe pumped 10 million into Strange's campaign. You can't tell me none of that went into opposition research and looking for dirt.
Women are just as capable of lying as men are.
Harvey could make them a star (or stop them from being one). Quid pro quo.
Spacey, ditto.
Moore had no such leverage nor enticement.
If he was a serial creeper, I would think there would be more recent examples of this behavior. This behavior usually doesn't abruptly end 40 years ago unless he had some kind of religious experience.
The "dirt" on Moore that they found was that TWICE he refused to follow a ruling from an Appeals Court or the Supreme Court. In other words, he disobeyed the law. And for that he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court.
That alone should have been enough to vote against Moore. But, Alabama...........
Yes.Like I said, it happened to me, it could happen to him.
Five women, none of whom know each other, all with stories about Moore slagging on them as teenagers. They're all lying.
The "dirt" on Moore that they found was that TWICE he refused to follow a ruling from an Appeals Court or the Supreme Court. In other words, he disobeyed the law. And for that he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court.
That alone should have been enough to vote against Moore. But, Alabama...........
Not exactly. It would be illogical to believe all of them unless you had some kind of proof that something happened. You may believe there is a possibility that their accounts are credible. The question is "Have you seen enough evidence to eliminate a candidate based on something that happened 40 years ago?".
The rape story sounds a little far-fetched considering it was wrapped in a partisan political wrapper. And these are convenient story-lines considering the current narrative today. We certainly elected Bill Clinton twice with a lot more evidence and the accounts were more recent. We could eliminate every Republican using these accounts. All the Dems have to do is generate them and we fling people under the bus.
There are plenty of reasons to not support Roy Moore.
Moore's leverage was he was a DA and an adult who told one of the women "Nobody will believe you."
I know, those stupid rednecks are too stupid to be trusted to vote.
The Oligarchy should choose their rulers for them shouldn't they?
Yes.
Five women, none of whom know each other, all with stories about Moore slagging on them as teenagers. They're all lying.
Deputy DA, Deputy DA and if his coworkers knew of this behavior as stated, maybe they would have prosecuted.
I've got to hear what these people from the mall actually said.
There is no time. The ballots are already printed. That's why the WaPo waited until now to drop the story.
Your solution is a non-solution. We're stuck with Moore at this point.
@DiogenesLamp
You’re ignorant of the issues women deal with after being victimized as Moore victimized those girls, especially at such a young age, so I’ll let you blame the kids for being leched after.
There’s a moral issue with Moore’s behavior now, though. If this is all true, he is still denying everything, in effect saying all of these people are liars, while he’s the one doing the lying. That’s a man with no character.
I really wonder what would have happened if he had come clean to his voters and thrown himself on their mercy. Things might look very different right now.
And five women who waited 40 years to say this.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/
IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED
by Joshua Caplan
Known for his insightful take on politics, journalist and author Thomas Wictor believes Judge Roy Moore’s signature in Gloria Allred accuser Beverly Young Nelson’s yearbook is a forgery.
The sevens in 1977 to the right of “Christmas,” are very different from the sevens in the date (12-22-77) above “Old Hickory House.”
“Look at the two versions of the number “7,” tweeted Wictor.
“”12-22-77” and “Olde Hickory House” were written by a different person,” he added.
Next, Wictor points out “the “R” and “y” in “Roy,”” are not written the same way.
The inflection of the “Y” is more pronounced in Moore’ signature as Chief Justice. The “R” is noticeably longer in the signature of Chief Justice, as well.
Poster's note:
I could not get the image displayed at the original article above to display here.
Go to the source URL above, and inspect it yourself...
So dating a teenager is acceptable if one decides there are no dateable women of one's own age?Parsing words and making assumptions. Just like the Clintoons.
How do you know the behavior stopped when he got married?
Not true. This is a special election. The governor can move to postpone it, on the basis of there being no GOP nominee.
Now I understand that Alabama's governor has said she will not act. But that makes sense while Moore is still in the race. She can't fail to back the nominee. But if Moore steps down, the way will be clear to prevent an election where the majority party has no nominee.
That's why so many are demanding that Moore step down now, while there's still time. The charges were meticulously researched and corroborated, and Moore himself has been dissembling in denying/not denying him. This isn't the crap they flung at Cruz in the National Enquirer. This is credible and creepy stuff.
Moore wants to play the martyr, and there are some who'll stick by him on the basis of he may be a perv, but he's our perv. But real social conservatives and men of Christ - like our own driftdiver - know the man's a scumbag and needs to go. Real social conservatives and men of Christ won't defend the indefensible. Why? Because ultimately their own credibility and sincerity is at stake.
Me? Sure, I'm biased - everyone knows I'm no social conservative and can't stand the man. But this is one of those situations where rejecting this hypocrite is simply the right thing to do - for Republicans and Christians of ALL stripes.
Look at how they're being trashed now! Their treatment would have been ten times worse 40 years ago.
A reputation that somehow only came out when it could do the most collateral damage to anyone who isn't a Democrat.
Moore was out of power in 2005. When he ran for his old seat again, they could have stopped him with this.
Moore was contending in a primary earlier this year. They could have stopped him with this and not handed the seat to a Democrat. The retaliation threat argument is bunk.
Do you mean to tell me that the Republican Party research team, containing some of the most notorious dirt-diggers in politics, is so inept that nobody on our side could see this?
The Moore accuser Leigh Corfman who says she was 14 when Moore assaulted her, is also known as a serial accuser and financial grifter. Not particularly credible.
Deb Wesson Gibson is a Dem party hacktivist who supports Moore's opponent and has spewed hate against Moore on her FB. Not particularly credible.Signing for the deaf at a Democrat event because she owned a signing company is not being an "activist." Not seen her FB page.
Wendy Miller claims that Moore asked her mother if he could date her while she was underage. Nothing more beyond the accusation. Not particularly credible.
Gloria Deason was 18 when they went out, but claims he bought her alcohol when she was 18 and the drinking age was 19. How convenient. Not particularly credible.
The latest accuser Beverly Young Nelson says she is a Trump supporter, but her voter registration is inactive. That already draws her testimony under suspecion. Other parts of her story are in question.
The 'hanging around the mall' story is all second hand rumor. No one involved directly seems to cooberate.
They're being trashed because their stories don't hold up, and their motivations are suspect.They're being trashed by Alabamans and GOP partisans who value a Senate seat above the character of the person who holds it.
Do you feel that anyone should be able to make accusations and that's the final word?
Because I'm feeling you might be a murderer and a rapist...
Saw this on TOS.
I -DID NOT- write it.
Take it for what it's worth:
================
It gets even weirder.
The picture that was put on the media was a grayscale photocopy.
It was gray scale for very good reason.
A color picture of the handwriting shows e writing was in two different color inks.
in black ink we have
“To a sweeter, more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas.
“Merry Christmas”
Christmas 1977
Love,
Ray”
Written in blue ink is
“Moore D.A.
12-22-77
Olde Hickory Restaurant”
So the yearbook message was written by a guy named “Ray” and somebody added Roy Moore's last name, D.A. a date and Old Hickory Restaurant - in different hand writhing, neither of which matches Judge Moore's
By the way, the woman accusing Moore called him a “Ray” Moore , the first mane of the guy who actually wrote the phrase, not Roy Moore and Allred had to correct her in the press conference.
24 posted on 11/14/2017, 10:04:08 AM by rdcbn
The "dirt" on Moore that they found was that TWICE he refused to follow a ruling from an Appeals Court or the Supreme Court. In other words, he disobeyed the law. And for that he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court.
That alone should have been enough to vote against Moore. But, Alabama...........
Name one other person she's accused. Not a grifter, but did have financial difficulties, probably due to to her treatment. She was also married three times and had three bankruptcies, just like Donald J. Trump.
Signing for the deaf at a Democrat event because she owned a signing company is not being an "activist." Not seen her FB page.
Other than a 32 year old man dating her. Nothing creepy there.
Given that other women accused him of plying them with alcohol, this is very credible.
This is risible. She said she voted for Trump. There are no other parts of her story that are in question.
He was banned from the Gadsden mall. That is corroborated by several people in this story:
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home
Five women, 30 sources, Moore's admission he dated teenagers with their mother's permission.
Then, there's this:Quote
Roy Moore's penchant for flirting with teen girls was "common knowledge" and "not a big secret" around Gadsden, according to some area residents.[/quote)
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home
Hey there, sinky. Nice to see you posting. Hope you’re doing well.
Okay, now that the pleasantries are out of the way, draw your sword and prepare yourself to be skewered :sword:
I haven’t forgotten your support of Dewhurst over Cruz, or your attacks on candidate Trump!
Don’t worry, I’ll go easy on you. Just a nick here and there...
Kidding aside, looking forward to hearing your point of view on these pressing political matters.
@sinkspur
It has zero to do with being Southern. If we’re going to get into regional issues, I could go on all day about the influx of sophisticated Northeastern liberals infecting my state. But that’s a thread hinack, so.
They're being trashed by Alabamans and GOP partisans who value a Senate seat above the character of the person who holds it.
Almost no one outside of Alabama and these partisans doubts their stories. He has no endorsements remaining in the Senate and those in the House are falling like flies.
You either believe the women or you don't. This is a political,not a legal matter. Moore will never go to jail, but he should never go the Senate either.
Not true. This is a special election. The governor can move to postpone it, on the basis of there being no GOP nominee.Actually, the Governor can't, because primary and runoff have already been held. The ballots are already printed and I suspect the absentee ballots have already been sent out. You can't change an election timetable in the middle of the election, and besides, Alabama law expressly states that there is no way for a candidate to be taken off the ballot, even if he or she is dead. If "Vacant Seat" wins, "Vacant Seat" takes the Senate, and we have to go through this process all over again.
Now I understand that Alabama's governor has said she will not act. That makes sense, and is to be expected, while Moore is still in the race. She can't fail to back the nominee. But if Moore steps down, the way will be clear to postpone a special election where the majority party has no nominee.I get it. In an ideal world, this wouldn't have happened—but for the time being, as I've stated, all other options are off the table.
That's why so many are demanding that Moore step down now, while there's still time. The charges were meticulously researched and corroborated, and Moore himself has been dissembling in denying/not denying him. This isn't the crap they flung at Cruz in the National Enquirer. This is credible and creepy stuff.
Moore wants to play the martyr, and there are some who'll stick by him on the basis of he may be a perv, but he's our perv. But real social conservatives and men of Christ - like our own @driftdiver - know the man's a scumbag and needs to go. Real social conservatives and men of Christ won't defend the indefensible. Why? Because ultimately their own credibility and sincerity is at stake.
Me? Sure, I'm biased - everyone knows I'm no social conservative and can't stand the man. But this is one of those situations where rejecting this hypocrite is simply the right thing to do - for Republicans and Christians of ALL stripes.
Several pastors. She has a reputation. No more or less credible than the 'Roy Moore hanging around the mall' set of rumors.
Posts on Moore's FB page indicate that Corfman, has claimed several pastors at various churches made sexual advances at her.
So you're falling back on the bandwagon fallacy, and transitioning to false dichotomy and the red herring double bonus score as your source of logic?
You realize you just admitted that these are nothing but rumors and salacious accustions, but we should just run with it because it's political and not legal?
Got it. Getting kind of smoky and mirrory in here.
I believe the women. You don't. Go with that.Why do you believe them? There are plenty of reasons not to believe them. What reasons are there to assume good faith in this kind of circumstance?
I believe the women. You don't. Go with that.
Based on what? Especially since we know at least one does business for the DNC.And how is it that in that kind of community that these four women didn't at least know of each other?
Judge Moore has run for office plenty of times in the past...why is this just now coming out?
How is it that the WaPo just happened upon four women that didn't know each other before this story broke?
LOL! From your source:
So ROY MOORE, on HIS OWN FB PAGE, claims several pastors (whom he does not name) made these claims. Talk about ridiculous!
You're really stretching here, friend.
@INVAR
Moore had a reputation, too.
To believe that all of these people are lying strains credulity.
I’m sorry you allow partisanship to color your objectivity.
Why do you believe them? There are plenty of reasons not to believe them. What reasons are there to assume good faith in this kind of circumstance?
If believing in "innocent until proven guilty" is a bias, then it is the right one to have.
That's right. And especially so when looking at someone with an exemplary and honorable record forty years long.
If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary.
The GOPe pumped 10 million into Strange's campaign. You can't tell me none of that went into opposition research and looking for dirt.
Where is there allegation and proof that is not 40 years old?
He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s. He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control. Did he rape any? Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point.
He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.
Quibbling.
But his coworkers didn't know of this behavior, did they?
He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s.
He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control. Did he rape any? Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point.
He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.
So, in Alabama, adultery is worthy of depriving a governor of his office, but sexual abuse of a child is worth elevating a candidate to the US Senate.
@roamer_1
If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary.
Fine. PROVE IT.
Gimme a blue dress. Gimme a bastard kid. Gimme a lurid vid or audio recording.
The "dirt" on Moore that they found was that TWICE he refused to follow a ruling from an Appeals Court or the Supreme Court. In other words, he disobeyed the law. And for that he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court.Those rulings were contrary to the Alabama Constitution. Tenth Amendment applies.
That alone should have been enough to vote against Moore. But, Alabama...........
Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore has released a letter to Gov. Robert Bentley saying that he intends to continue to recognize the state's constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and urging the governor to do so.
Thomas, who was joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, pointed out that the justices essentially were admitting what they would decide, even before arguments, expected in April, are heard in a pending dispute over same-sex marriage.
In that case, the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed measures in four states defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Other appeals courts had struck down traditional-marriage measures, setting up a conflict.
Thomas said the Monday decision “may well be seen as a signal of the court’s intended resolution.”
Moore sent a memoradum to the state’s 68 probate judges and others in the state judiciary that said they are not bound, according to federal court precedent, to follow the federal judge’s order. Moore argued the state constitution excludes same-sex duos from marriage, and Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley would be the executive who would decide if penalties should be applied to anyone who violates the state constitution.
He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s. He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control. Did he rape any? Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point."Innocent young girls?" Juniors or Seniors in High School? Apparently you never overheard any conversations. (And my 40 year HS 'reunion' is history.)
He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.
Link to a quote of him saying that?If you read what the guy said, it doesn't matter if he did something criminal. No evidence needed. Red Queen jurisprudence demands, "Off with his head!" So much for the political rabbit hole.
@roamer_1Then there should be an avalanche of information that he was letching on young kids.
If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary.
Where is there allegation and proof that is not 40 years old?
Princess Diana married Charles when she was just 20 and he was close to 34.
Question: Did they date before that? If so, why was there no outcry about a 30 something adult dating a teenager?
Fine. PROVE IT.
Gimme a blue dress. Gimme a bastard kid. Gimme a lurid vid or audio recording.
@roamer_1What mystifies me is why so many are calling for a head on a pike with no more than newspaper hype.
Not gonna happen. Either Moore is lying, or all of these other people are. What mystifies me is why some of us think Moore's character is so unquestionably pure that it can't be him.
@roamer_1
Not gonna happen. Either Moore is lying, or all of these other people are. What mystifies me is why some of us think Moore's character is so unquestionably pure that it can't be him.
The hell he isn't on trial, it's trial by Media.
It is as common as cat crap in a litter box nowadays, and even here, half a dozen of you are calling for him to surrender a hard fought candidacy over allegations.
That, considering the effort, etc. put forth to get that far would represent being deprived of something he has worked for without due process of law. It's the same sort of character assassination carried out against another candidate, and as I said, if the charges have merit--IF, then he should step down--and IF he knowingly groped some girl younger than the age of consent or against her will, then produce the evidence and at least give the man a chance to be exonerated.
This sort of smear reeks of seven mistresses and daddy killing JFK. It has that same stink to it.
I'm not sure how fast malls went up in Alabama, but I grew up 50 miles from Washington DC and knew of one by 1974. I really doubt there were multiple malls in a town in Alabama in 1977, or that Moore--or anyone else-- had a reputation built for 'cruising for young girls' in malls there in 1977. There might have been one in town.
What has me floored, though, aside from a couple of usual suspects, is the absolute determination some on this board have to hang this guy.
Not to go too off topic, but many of the Trump accusers did pursue the accusations in court. Trump went after them with high priced lawyers and settled many, many cases to make them go away.
Just one example: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/exclusive-inside-the-donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuit/
@CatherineofAragon
Where I come from a man's honor means something.
A man without honor is destroyed.
Thus it takes real proof to tear it down, and especially so, when so longstanding, and in a man willing to go to the wall (more than once) for what he believes in... Integrity of that kind is not manufactured.
I'll throw him out, sure enough, and in a minute flat... But that minute will never come without real and incontrovertible proof. I would expect as much from men if I was falsely accused.
What matters is the veracity of the evidence and not the seriousness of the crime.
As used to ALWAYS be the test, and still the same for me.
Why do y'all keep demanding proof when a) you know it won't be coming and b) we aren't in court, so we don't need proof? I sound like a parrot with that line, but it's conveniently ignored every time.
Were you waiting for proof before you believed Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick (sp)?
@roamer_1, then that man better keep his hands off underaged girls, or he has no honor. Men and women both have honor, and I'm not going to give either special consideration because of his or her sex.
I'll keep saying it---this isn't a court and you won't get proof, and you know it. And I doubt you were demanding proof from Clinton's female accusers.
In this kind of situation, you have to make a decision--who is lying? It's either Moore or everybody else. Waiting for proof that you know will never come is just punting.
We have got to stop putting politicians on pedestals like this.
In this kind of situation, you have to make a decision--who is lying? It's either Moore or everybody else.
What mystifies me is why so many are calling for a head on a pike with no more than newspaper hype.
Shopping at the one Mall in town would be like being accused of 'creeping' the local Walmart here. Where are you going to go? In a dry county, you can't even go check out the barflies.
Anyone can be accused of anything. When I have a female client that I've met the for the first time come to my office, I always have the door open. And I understand the "innocent till proven guilty" Moore doesn't have just one accuser. I believe he has five. So then you have to ask that you're asking here. Are
the women who are accusing him liars? Five women who probably never knew of each other till today?
@CatherineofAragon
It isn't special consideration for one and not the other - I would be equally considerate of a good woman's honor called on the table.
Then you'd be wrong - I believed Juanita Broderick, and do to this day - But it was the blue dress that made up my mind. Though, by the way, Slick Willie had no particular reputation toward honor in the first place - and there were accusations all the way along with him. Bill Clinton is not a good man, as his record attests. No such record exists in Moore.
So the two do not equate.
He is not a politician on a pedestal - He is a man with a record of integrity, and honorable as they come. And I will disagree - If he is the cad he is accused of being, there will be evidence. There always is, sooner or later.
So show me the blue dress.
Yes, I think it's five women. You also have to believe their friends and families are lying, along with the people who worked with Moore, the cop who confirmed he was banned from the mall, and then you have to dismiss every bit of information.
Moore doesn't have just one accuser. I believe he has five.
Well, they kind of do equate, if you read the accounts of what Moore's coworkers thought of him. And the article from the 2002 newspaper.
Fair enough on you believing Juanita Broaddrick. You're not going to get a blue dress. Either one man is lying, or everyone else is, and the information is all fake.
Like Ben Shapiro said:
"The first argument: Moore hasn’t been convicted of anything, and due process requires us to consider him innocent until proven guilty. This argument is empty, because our decision to vote for or against a particular candidate doesn’t require due process — Hillary Clinton wasn’t convicted of anything, either, except in the minds of the public. Due process determines whether you go to jail. The public determines whether it thinks politicians ought to be handed power."
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453706/alabama-senate-race-reject-roy-moore-character-matters-write-in-jeff-sessions
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Is this spam really necessary @mystery-ak
Some dopes may even believe this is legitimate.
Geez @Right_in_Virginia not all of us are complete Idiots and most saw and appreciated the humour in it.
I'm not sure about anything @Right_in_Virginia except my Rockets just lost for the third time this year, to Ted Cruz's team~Toronto.
@Smokin JoeThe something he has worked for is a career in public service and a good reputation as an honorable man. And I can apply a higher standard than shesaidhesaid whipped up at a politically opportune moment (to attack him) with two-toned alleged signatures with numbers made differently.
Well, that last is more overwrought than accurate, but I believe he's a creep and a predator and shouldn't be rewarded with a senate seat. It's up to the people in Alabama, naturally, but that's my opinion. Determined? I can't vote there so that descriptor doesn't apply.
Moore is on trial in the public sphere, no different from any other politician, but you can't apply legal rules and you know that. You also know you aren't going to get any more evidence that you have now, and I think it's safe to say you weren't calling for it when Clinton's women accused him.
"Something he has worked for?" Seriously? He isn't entitled to a Senate seat. Listen, Joe, the guy is assassinating his own character. His defense has been pretty lousy, and he's doing the same thing Trump did---making empty pronouncements about suing when he knows he's going to do no such thing. He could have filed a suit by now--why hasn't he?
By the way, I haven't called for him to step down...not that I remember, anyway. I'm watching it all play out.
Anyone can be accused of anything. When I have a female client that I've met the for the first time come to my office, I always have the door open. And I understand the "innocent till proven guilty" Moore doesn't have just one accuser. I believe he has five. So then you have to ask what you're asking here. Are
the women who are accusing him all liars and Moore is the honest one here? Five women who probably never knew of each other till today?
Incorrect, 2 woman say Moore acted inappropriately 40 years ago.
I see people supposedly on our side, keep spreading the lie that Moore has more than two accusers. He has *TWO* accusers, and there are problems with both of their stories.
The other three women did not accuse him of any improprieties, only two did, and for some reason they didn't muster enough outrage to bring this up in the last four decades, but we are supposed to believe it is a really big deal now?
I have reached the point where I don't even care if their allegations are true. I put baby murdering and letting perverts into women's bathrooms as a higher moral priority than worry about whether someone improperly touched some girls 40 years ago.
I am sending Moore money tomorrow.
The Perverted Democrats can go to H3ll, and so too can those who lend them support by parroting their propaganda for them.
@Smokin JoeMy point is that the local Walmart is the big store around here. There is no Mall. If they had a Mall, that was not only the place to shop, but where there were people, where people met and talked. It's a dry county, or was then, no sports bar to go to (there were only a few in that era), the women his age were home with their husbands or working on their cat collection. Aside from church socials, not many places to meet people, and very few left in his age group--pardon the expression, but rejects, retreads, and the town pump, and maybe a rare few worthwhile candidates, but meeting them becomes the challenge.
Well, if you get banned from the local Walmart for creeping after young girls, that kind of tells you something.
Honestly, it's blowing me away that people think all of these people are lying and Moore is telling the truth. Dismissing everything that's come out and calling it nothing...it's inexplicable to me.
My point is that the local Walmart is the big store around here. There is no Mall. If they had a Mall, that was not only the place to shop, but where there were people, where people met and talked. It's a dry county, or was then, no sports bar to go to (there were only a few in that era), the women his age were home with their husbands or working on their cat collection. Aside from church socials, not many places to meet people, and very few left in his age group--pardon the expression, but rejects, retreads, and the town pump, and maybe a rare few worthwhile candidates, but meeting them becomes the challenge.
According to whom was he banned from the shopping mall in town? How has that assertion been confirmed?
Maybe he was checking out the grannies? Maybe he was shopping. What mall was he supposedly banned from and by whom?
Everything bad said about the guy has you up at arms as if it had been delivered on gold sheets by Angels from Heaven. What I don't get is that you are so pathologically willing to throw him to the wolves when there is obvious motive for the Democrats to pump a bunch of spurious allegations up for political purposes, and the damned GOP would play right along. Yet we have a potus who married a woman 24 years his junior, and this man's wife is 14 years his junior, and that just wasn't that uncommon there and then, especially for guys who had been in the Service and/or attended college to marry a younger woman.
You also keep slinging around "under-aged" as if that applies to under 21. NO. In Alabama the age of consent is 16, was 16, and only two are alleging any sexual contact (beyond a kiss, which can be anything from steamy to sterile--grandmas give them), one of which was 16, the other claimed to be younger.
The more I see this story repeated, the more there are supposed to be 'speaking out', but it's still the two at this point and one of them presented "evidence" which has a couple of problems with it. Two colors of ink. Two different styles of sevens. Signed a yearbook in December? "Ray" mentioned in the presser--until Gloria corrected her. Vivid, detailed, recollections but she got his name wrong? Meh. full of holes and unnamed sources.
The other coming up with a graphic description of some hanky-panky which reads like the warmup paragraphs in a letter to Penthouse Forum, in an undisclosed remote location that hasn't been tied to Moore at all?
And the timing...
This just does not have the honest and solid ring of truth to it.
I'm not sure about anything @Right_in_Virginia except my Rockets just lost for the third time this year, to Ted Cruz's team~Toronto.
The something he has worked for is a career in public service and a good reputation as an honorable man. And I can apply a higher standard than shesaidhesaid whipped up at a politically opportune moment (to attack him) with two-toned alleged signatures with numbers made differently.
Proof, my ass.
This isn't some Hollywood sleazebag y'all are discussing, here. If you believe he is a "predator" and a "creep", you have convicted him in your own mind.
I believe CatherineofAragon has been trying pretty hard to get the number up to 30.
My point is that the local Walmart is the big store around here. There is no Mall. If they had a Mall, that was not only the place to shop, but where there were people, where people met and talked. It's a dry county, or was then, no sports bar to go to (there were only a few in that era), the women his age were home with their husbands or working on their cat collection. Aside from church socials, not many places to meet people, and very few left in his age group--pardon the expression, but rejects, retreads, and the town pump, and maybe a rare few worthwhile candidates, but meeting them becomes the challenge.
According to whom was he banned from the shopping mall in town? How has that assertion been confirmed?
Maybe he was checking out the grannies? Maybe he was shopping. What mall was he supposedly banned from and by whom?
Everything bad said about the guy has you up at arms as if it had been delivered on gold sheets by Angels from Heaven. What I don't get is that you are so pathologically willing to throw him to the wolves when there is obvious motive for the Democrats to pump a bunch of spurious allegations up for political purposes, and the damned GOP would play right along. Yet we have a potus who married a woman 24 years his junior, and this man's wife is 14 years his junior, and that just wasn't that uncommon there and then, especially for guys who had been in the Service and/or attended college to marry a younger woman.
You also keep slinging around "under-aged" as if that applies to under 21. NO. In Alabama the age of consent is 16, was 16, and only two are alleging any sexual contact (beyond a kiss, which can be anything from steamy to sterile--grandmas give them), one of which was 16, the other claimed to be younger.
The more I see this story repeated, the more there are supposed to be 'speaking out', but it's still the two at this point and one of them presented "evidence" which has a couple of problems with it. Two colors of ink. Two different styles of sevens. Signed a yearbook in December? "Ray" mentioned in the presser--until Gloria corrected her. Vivid, detailed, recollections but she got his name wrong? Meh. full of holes and unnamed sources.
The other coming up with a graphic description of some hanky-panky which reads like the warmup paragraphs in a letter to Penthouse Forum, in an undisclosed remote location that hasn't been tied to Moore at all?
And the timing...
This just does not have the honest and solid ring of truth to it.
@ Smokin JoeI don't care what Hannity thinks.
“Proof my ass” —-one of my points.
Looks like even Hannity is ready to “convict” him now.
@DiogenesLampWho are the other three who allege he did anything to them below the age of 16 or without their consent? Sixteen is the age of consent in Alabama, older is NOT "underage", legally. The other three said there was nothing sexual.
Well, no, but I totally get that you’re reduced to lying at this point. What else have you got.
It’s not two women. It’s five. We don’t do alternate facts.
When you take into account all of the people who have come forth to corroborate the claims or to state what they know about Moore, it’s probably more than thirty.
Minds are made up Joe.
Who are the other three who allege he did anything to them below the age of 16 or without their consent? Sixteen is the age of consent in Alabama, older is NOT "underage", legally. The other three said there was nothing sexual.
So if you are going to keep repeating the "five" thingy, kindly humor me and list them.
Who are the other three who allege he did anything to them below the age of 16 or without their consent? Sixteen is the age of consent in Alabama, older is NOT "underage", legally. The other three said there was nothing sexual.
So if you are going to keep repeating the "five" thingy, kindly humor me and list them.
Not mine. It remains open, waiting formoreany evidence to be introduced.
The other three corroborate Moore's pattern of hitting on young girls. Remember this isn't about a criminal charge, but the pattern of creepy behavior.
Not mine. It remains open, waiting for more evidence to be introduced.
@DiogenesLamp
Well, no, but I totally get that you’re reduced to lying at this point. What else have you got.
It’s not two women. It’s five. We don’t do alternate facts.
When you take into account all of the people who have come forth to corroborate the claims
or to state what they know about Moore, it’s probably more than thirty.
It is no lie that you gleefully prance in here with any derogatory claims you can find against Moore, Constantly try to inflate the number to five when you aren't trying to inflate it to 30, and at every turn deny him the benefit of the doubt.
And this is another example of deception. Only two have accused him of sexual impropriety, but you keep claiming Five, because in your opinion a 32 year old should not date a teenager, and so you put the act of "dating" (and being a gentleman about it) into the category of "sexual perv." Well I, and I think others do not agree with you about this, but you of course will state your opinion as an absolute fundamental truth and ignore what anyone else thinks on the subject.
Corroborate them? Were they there? Or are they just repeating what they were told, otherwise known as "hearsay"? So far as I can tell, no one has "corroborated" anything, they have simply repeated accusations that they have heard. In fact, if the women are to be believed, it is not possible for anyone to "corroborate" their story, because they claim to have been alone with Moore at the time.
I knew you would get there in the end. It's good to see you "corroborate" my claim about this.
The other three corroborate Moore's pattern of hitting on young girls. Remember this isn't about a criminal charge, but the pattern of creepy behavior.
Not mine. It remains open, waiting for more evidence to be introduced.
The other three corroborate Moore's pattern of hitting on young girls.
Remember this isn't about a criminal charge, but the pattern of creepy behavior.
I'll bet if it was known in the primary race with Strange, Moore and Brooks, that Moore while 30 and over, doesn't deny that he may have dated teenage girls, he would not have won.
People are getting too charged up saying "well, there isn't viable proof" that he sexually assaulted these girls but this other alone would be a big negative in other people's minds. He probably would not have won.
I'll bet if it was known in the primary race with Strange, Moore and Brooks, that Moore while 30 and over, doesn't deny that he may have dated teenage girls, he would not have won.
Well he did win so now the choice is Moore or a baby killing radical progressive.
Well he did win so now the choice is Moore or a baby killing radical progressive.
It is a damn shame that Moore has forced Alabama voters into having to make such a choice. If Moore cares at all about the values he espouses, he'll step down before the weekend.Maybe if he did the things being alleged. But not if he is being falsely accused.
Didn't bother the Never Trumpers who are about half the people defending Moore.
The other three corroborate Moore's pattern of hitting on young girls. Remember this isn't about a criminal charge, but the pattern of creepy behavior.So dating young women beyond the age of consent with their parent's consent is 'creepy behaviour'? (Just trying to get the lexicon straight.)
Maybe if he did the things being alleged. But not if he is being falsely accused.
Never give in if you are innocent.
If they lose Congress it will be due to their doing jack shit that they promised their constituents for 7 years leading up to the last election and acting like Democrats and supporting the Democrat agenda. It's NOT going to be due the fact that the voters in Alabama elect Moore to represent them.Wow. That is some messed up logic. Moore is disgusting and unfit for office. He will taint the GOP for years to come, but he will be defended by the braindead who think it is draining the swamp.
Wow. That is some messed up logic. Moore is disgusting and unfit for office. He will taint the GOP for years to come, but he will be defended by the braindead who think it is draining the swamp.
If Trump/Moore is the face of the new GOP...bring back the swamp.
@Once-Ler
After watching the video of his lawyer's interview, and reading the letter that guy came up with, I'm beginning to question whether Moore has the judgment for higher office.
I've read all your posts on this thread. Thank you for expressing what I also think, and expressing it so well. :patriot:
@Once-Ler
Wow, I really do appreciate that. Thank you.
Wow. That is some messed up logic. Moore is disgusting and unfit for office. He will taint the GOP for years to come, but he will be defended by the braindead who think it is draining the swamp.
If Trump/Moore is the face of the new GOP...bring back the swamp.
You may not want my kudos, but I, too, think you've been doing a heck of a job on this issue. Right on, CofA!
Unlike Hannity, Limbaugh and half the GOP our @CatherineofAragon plays catch-up to no one.
Wow. That is some messed up logic. Moore is disgusting and unfit for office. He will taint the GOP for years to come, but he will be defended by the braindead who think it is draining the swamp.
If Trump/Moore is the face of the new GOP...bring back the swamp.
Yearbook was signed "Roy Moore DA".... In 1977 Roy was not the DA....hmmm.... take a look at all the "y"'s in the text and then in the signature -- it appears that they are all the same. I'm no t a handwriting expert of course, but it seems that it was all written by the same person ... whether or not Moore wrote it is yet to be determined.
(https://s7.postimg.org/vnl2r6am3/Roy_Moore_Year_Book.jpg)
@CatherineofAragon
Also claimed she didn't know Roy after that point... Except in 1999 Roy was judge over her divorce case.
DA was initials of Roy's assistant that also signed his documents. Did she copy the signature of Roy (who did not use DA with his signature) from her divorce papers years later which was initialed with his assistant Deborah Adams?
Also notice the differences between the two "77".. Obvious differences.
https://thepolitistick.com/roy-moore-attorney-demands-gloria-allred-release-original-yearbook-contends-fraud/
Deborah Wesson Gibson, one of Roy Moore’s accusers, is a member of Progressive Politics Alabama and is someone who worked on the political campaigns of both 2016 Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and former Obama regime Vice President Joe Biden, providing sign language services.
Moreover, as the leading newspaper in Alabama reports, Gibson also provides services to leading Democrats like Sen. Patrick Murphy and Bill Nelson and shared campaign fliers of Roy Moore’s Democrat opponent, Doug Jones, for the Alabama election slated for December 12.
Gibson did not respond to texts or email messages seeking a comment from AL.com about her politically-charged accusations. Other reports indicate that the accusers, Leigh Corfman and Gibson, have a history of making false allegations. Further social media posts show that Deborah Gibson was a member of the pro-Communism “Resistance” movement and was vehemently opposed to the Trump agenda, which Judge Roy Moore has vowed to support. So much so that Moore’s win, in the face of fervent establishment opposition, was called a win for the Trump agenda.
Did this get lost in the shuffle, or just buried by the stampede to burn Moore at the stake?
https://thepolitistick.com/bombshell-roy-moore-accuser-worked-hillary-clinton-joe-biden-campaigns/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation (https://thepolitistick.com/bombshell-roy-moore-accuser-worked-hillary-clinton-joe-biden-campaigns/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation)
...hmmm.... take a look at all the "y"'s in the text and then in the signature -- it appears that they are all the same. I'm no t a handwriting expert of course, but it seems that it was all written by the same person ... whether or not Moore wrote it is yet to be determined.
Yearbook was signed "Roy Moore DA".... In 1977 Roy was not the DA.p
(https://s7.postimg.org/vnl2r6am3/Roy_Moore_Year_Book.jpg)
@CatherineofAragon
Also claimed she didn't know Roy after that point... Except in 1999 Roy was judge over her divorce case.
DA was initials of Roy's assistant that also signed his documents. Did she copy the signature of Roy (who did not use DA with his signature) from her divorce papers years later which was initialed with his assistant Deborah Adams?
Also notice the differences between the two "77".. Obvious differences.
https://thepolitistick.com/roy-moore-attorney-demands-gloria-allred-release-original-yearbook-contends-fraud/
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@Sighlass
He was assistant DA at that time.
@CatherineofAragon , read this thread, and watch the vid on it.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,291215.msg1516058.html#msg1516058
Leftists in America and leftists globally are bent upon tearing down Western culture, the culture that arose out of Athens. In its place they wish to erect a third world culture and civilization. Agree?
Yes.
Thank you. For the same reason the U.S. allied itself with the odious Stalin to defeat the Nazis, we should ally ourselves with Moore to defeat the left. It’s as simple as that for me.:amen: to the points highlighted above.
If we assume Moore did everything his accusers say he did, we should still not hesitate to support him, as his career in law has demonstrated a fidelity to the constitution, the protection of which is the cornerstone of our God given liberties.
And anyway, evidence is mounting that Moore is the subject of a politically motivated witch hunt, so fortunately for those of who feel personal morality trumps all, you may still take comfort in supporting him; Judge Roy Moore is no Anthony Weiner or Ted Kennedy.
Thank you. For the same reason the U.S. allied itself with the odious Stalin to defeat the Nazis, we should ally ourselves with Moore to defeat the left. It’s as simple as that for me.
If we assume Moore did everything his accusers say he did, we should still not hesitate to support him, as his career in law has demonstrated a fidelity to the constitution, the protection of which is the cornerstone of our God given liberties.
And anyway, evidence is mounting that Moore is the subject of a politically motivated witch hunt, so fortunately for those of who feel personal morality trumps all, you may still take comfort in supporting him; Judge Roy Moore is no Anthony Weiner or Ted Kennedy.
Neither of the people you mentioned above is in the same universe as Roy Moore when it comes to HONOR and INTEGRITY!
Moore's deliberate defiance of the law as a sworn officer of the court, leading to his removal from office - twice - by the State of Alabama, is hardly an example of honor and integrity.
The man's a religious zealot who can't divorce his religion from his sworn duty to faithfully execute the law. He's a rabble-rouser unfit for the Senate.
YOU wouldn't know a LAW if it hit you in the ASS! You have been repeatedly asked, by several different people including myself, to post the law that Judge Moore violated and we've seen zilch thus far!
Check the record of proceedings that resulted in Moore being removed from his position TWICE by the State of Alabama for defiance of the law. Stop being lazy and inform yourself.
This is a Constitutional Republic grounded on respect for the rule of law. Judge Moore is a nihilist and an outlaw.
Thank you. For the same reason the U.S. allied itself with the odious Stalin to defeat the Nazis, we should ally ourselves with Moore to defeat the left. It’s as simple as that for me.
Moore's deliberate defiance of the law as a sworn officer of the court, leading to his removal from office - twice - by the State of Alabama, is hardly an example of honor and integrity.
The man's a religious zealot who can't divorce his religion from his sworn duty to faithfully execute the law. He's a rabble-rouser unfit for the Senate.
Those of us that believe in the supremacy of G*d's law disagree. It is immoral to follow
an immoral law. In the military we are taught NOT to follow an unlawful order. Same sex
marriage is immoral and unlawful no matter what the corrupt courts say. I know you are
not going to agree with me, but that's just the way it is to a sizeable portion of the USA.
Moore's deliberate defiance of the law as a sworn officer of the court
The man's a religious zealot who can't divorce his religion from his sworn duty to faithfully execute the law. He's a rabble-rouser unfit for the Senate.
Roy Moore has not defied ANY law moral or otherwise! If you think he has please show me that law!
YOU wouldn't know a LAW if it hit you in the ASS! You have been repeatedly asked, by several different people including myself, to post the law that Judge Moore violated and we've seen zilch thus far!
I submit that you are sending this fellow on a wild goose chase!
No such "law" exists. (The ruminations of Supreme Court members, in particular when they distort the US Constitution in pursuit of establishing public policy, do not create "law.")
In my opinion, Judge Moore was protecting the amended State of Alabama Constitution, as was his sworn duty.
And this specifically is what you HATE more than anything in life - people who actually LIVE by their biblical faith
Moore's deliberate defiance of the law as a sworn officer of the court, leading to his removal from office - twice - by the State of Alabama, is hardly an example of honor and integrity.For the umpteenth time by the umpteenth person, WHAT LAW? Courts don't make law, although some think they do. So again, WHAT LAW?
The man's a religious zealot who can't divorce his religion from his sworn duty to faithfully execute the law. He's a rabble-rouser unfit for the Senate.
I have no quarrel with folks who "live by their biblical faith" - just when they seek to impose their myths and zealotry on the rest of us. Don't like homosexuality? Don't practice it.
I have no quarrel with folks who "live by their biblical faith" - just when they seek to impose their myths and zealotry on the rest of us.
Don't like homosexuality? Don't practice it.
Same sex CIVIL marriage is no threat to you, your marriage, or your religion.
It's a contract, and gays have the right to marry under the civil law by reason of the 14th amendment. THAT's the law that Moore defied.
Don't want your business to service gay weddings because it is against your faith? Can I decline without government stepping in and suing me to bankruptcy?
If not, who is imposing whose values on others?
Thank you. For the same reason the U.S. allied itself with the odious Stalin to defeat the Nazis, we should ally ourselves with Moore to defeat the left. It’s as simple as that for me.
If we assume Moore did everything his accusers say he did, we should still not hesitate to support him, as his career in law has demonstrated a fidelity to the constitution, the protection of which is the cornerstone of our God given liberties.
And anyway, evidence is mounting that Moore is the subject of a politically motivated witch hunt, so fortunately for those of who feel personal morality trumps all, you may still take comfort in supporting him; Judge Roy Moore is no Anthony Weiner or Ted Kennedy.
The ban on same sex marriage is in the Alabama Constitution. As such, only the Supreme Court of the US has original jurisdiction to declare it unconstitutional, in accordance with Article III, Section 2. Otherwise no two bit Federal District Judge has jurisdiction.
The State of Alabama disagrees with you. It booted Moore from office for his insubordination.You are wrong again. He was IMPROPERLY removed by a Judicial Ethics board for failing to obey a federal court order. Insubordination implies he worked for the federal judge as his boss. The removal was improper because the Federal Judge had no authority or jurisdiction.
You are wrong again. He was IMPROPERLY removed by a Judicial Ethics board for failing to obey a federal court order. Insubordination implies he worked for the federal judge as his boss. The removal was improper because the Federal Judge had no authority or jurisdiction.
Moore's deliberate defiance of the law as a sworn officer of the court,
I have no quarrel with folks who "live by their biblical faith" - just when they seek to impose their myths and zealotry on the rest of us.
I believe the people should have the freedom and the right to shape their society as they see fit. And you do not.
Prior to devoted his life to Christ it is possible that 40 years ago Roy Moore fooled
around with teenage girls. (I flat out do not believe the accuser that claimed Roy
molested her at age 14.) However Judge Moore since being born again has been a
perfect gentleman around women of all ages. Isn't not forgiveness for those that
repent and change an admirale (to admire) trait?
Judge Moore deserves our support even if the accusers are not lying because that
Moore of 40 years ago is not the Moore standing for US Senator from the great state
of Alabama.
What law did Judge Moore defy?
We're in the middle of a culture-wide witchhunt for perpetrators of "sexual harassment", and Moore's been caught up in it. It's besmirched or taken down men on both the left and the right. It is now de riguere for jock culture to be held up, as if in the old Soviet days, for denouncement and criticism/self-criticism. Most of the liberals caught up in it are playing the game, admitting and apologizing for incorrect behavior.
Moore, of course, has chosen to fight back.
Moore is, simply, a raised middle finger, to the prevailing culture and to the rule of law he once swore to uphold. He will become, for better or for worse, the symbol that will define conservatism, the easy bigoted, nihilist caricature the Dems will raise millions off of and provide the theme for their takeover of Congress in 2018.
Know well that by backing this guy's fight, that conservatives will reap the whirlwind. Shall we abandon all pretense of responsible governance in favor of rabble rousing for a culture war? I resist that paradigm, think it's sick and un-American, and wonder if conservatism has indeed split irrevocably between the Bannonites and those of us old-school types who want to get back to the ideals of Goldwater, Kemp and Reagan.
The "Law" that judges make up out of thin air.
"Laws" they decide by decree and establish by precedent and without accountability. Laws set in concrete unless as he stated, Congress overturns them by legislation.
In other words, Judge Moore stood up against tyranny. That explains why Jazzhead, one of tyranny's biggest supporters, doesn't like him. Not sure why he feels compelled to lie about Moore, though.
In other words, Judge Moore stood up against tyranny. That explains why Jazzhead, one of tyranny's biggest supporters, doesn't like him. Not sure why he feels compelled to lie about Moore, though.
Once again, what law did he defy? Your intentional avoidance of the question indicates that you know full well your claim is a lie.
The Constitution, which by its terms is the supreme law of the land.He did NOT violate the Constitution, either the US or Alabama's. He defended both the constitutions and was improperly remove for that reason because some wacko Federal District judge thought he had jurisdiction in contravention to the US Constitution (Art III, Sec 2).
The man's made a fool of himself, and so have his supporters trying to defend him. He was removed from office twice for breaking his oath of office. By the State of Alabama.
What "tyranny"? That's such bullshit.
The law changed to allow gay folks to marry.
Nothing to take away anyone's rights or property. No harm to anyone else's marriage, or family, or faith, or wealth or privilege.
Gay folks were allowed to marry under the CIVIL law. And Judge Moore refused to enforce it, acting as if the State of Alabama was a theocracy and to hell with the rule of law.
To hell with rogue Judge Moore and his self-styled crusade to impose his stinking morals on the rest of us.
Quote from: HoodatOnce again, what law did he defy? Your intentional avoidance of the question indicates that you know full well your claim is a lie.
The Constitution, which by its terms is the supreme law of the land.
The Constitution, which by its terms is the supreme law of the land.
I wouldn't gloat at Jazzhead too much, in the end, people have stood on the same side as he has because they have been against the Republican nominee. Time to adjust your halos.
The Constitution, which by its terms is the supreme law of the land.
@Oceander
Which part exactly? Please be specific. I am definitely interested to see where the Constitution allows Vermont law to be imposed upon the rest of the States at the point of a gun.
Judge Moore was removed 2 times as well, once for that 10 commandments incident. Again, I just read the news, I don't know the mechanics of the whole story. It was the Supreme Court of Alabama that removed him.Not! It was the state Judicial Ethics Commission. And they misrepresented his constitutional duties.
You’re such a liberal. You don’t like the way the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution . . .
. . . and you immediately run off and cry tyranny.
You’re such a liberal. You don’t like the way the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution and you immediately run off and cry tyranny. You call it tyranny, liberals call it a “living Constitution” but it all amounts to the same thing.what constitutional clause allows courts to strike down and rewrite law on false premise?
Not! It was the state Judicial Ethics Commission. And they misrepresented his constitutional duties.
You’re such a liberal. You don’t like the way the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution and you immediately run off and cry tyranny. You call it tyranny, liberals call it a “living Constitution” but it all amounts to the same thing.Moore's act of defiance was toward the decree of a District Judge, essentially ordering probate judges in Alabama to violate the State Constitution. The SCOTUS ruling was two years later.
You have openly advocated again and again and again that the rule of law should be discarded for the tyranny imposed by unelected judges wearing black robes. Your record speaks for itself.
Instead, you demand that Vermont law be imposed upon California by black-robed tyrants - at least as long as you support what they are doing. Yet that same rule doesn't apply when it comes to California law being imposed upon Vermont.
In other words, Judge Moore stood up against tyranny. That explains why Jazzhead, one of tyranny's biggest supporters, doesn't like him. Not sure why he feels compelled to lie about Moore, though.
To wit: if anyone recalls and remembers, Jazzy specifically stated his opposition to "Texas gun culture" being imposed on his state via rulings and efforts approving national carry-conceal. He was quite out of his mind in rage that the exercise of the Second Amendment without infringement would be upheld nationally. Amusing to say the least considering he has repeatedly stated that all our enumerated rights are subject to 'reasonable regulation' (as determined by liberals like himself) - while at the same time, insisting the "rights' created by SCOTUS are beyond review and, unless the Congress overturns a ruling via legislation that the court does not rule unConstitutional; 'the law of the land'.
And that's why marriage equality is the law of the land. The Constitutional right at stake is the equal protection of the law. And a state that chooses to ban the right of gays to marry under the civil law, while preserving that status for opposite sex couples, has denied homosexuals the law's equal protection. That violation of the federal Constitution is why Roy Moore was removed from office for refusing to permit gays to marry in Alabama. Alabama's constitution may define marriage as between a man and a woman, but that constitution violates the Federal Constitution's guarantee of equal protection.
So there's no contradiction in my positions - Pennsylvania's gun laws are consistent with the Federal Constitution, but Alabama's prohibition on same sex civil marriage is not.
Equal protection is the excuse activist judges used to push through the radical agenda. In reality we had equal protection, any man could marry any woman and any woman could marry any man. When you start throwing in personal preference then the law gets tossed out. Polygamy is already moving forward. Incestuous will be coming. Dogs cats, trees and anything else someone says they "love".
No, you are full of contradictions and one of many that are paving the road to destruction of this country.
Denying gays the right to the benefits, protections and status of civil marriage is a violation of equal protection. Yes, the culture has changed, and some religions continue to condemn homosexuality, but come on now - my neighbors are no threat to anyone else and deserve the same opportunity as you and me to be happy in a covenant relationship with the person they love.
"Road to destruction"? Don't be ridiculous - my neighbors tend their yard and walk my dog when I'm away. I reject slippery slope arguments as false and oppressive. If the issue is personal morality, then address divorce and promiscuity, and display some respect for those of us who've done the hard work to make a marriage work -whether gay or straight.
Nonsense, they could have all that just like every one else. More lies from the radicals.
"Denying gays the right to the benefits, protections and status of civil marriage is a violation of equal protection. "
No one denied gays of anything. I know lots of gay people who got married 30-40 years ago. Most had children in those marriages. One of my pastors was married to a gay man and had two children with him.
So quit pushing that weak and inane optic.
It's the law of the land. Why should you have the benefits and protections of marriage but not my neighbors? How is fundamental fairness a "radical" notion?
It's the law of the land. Why should you and me have the benefits and protections of marriage but not my neighbors? How is fundamental fairness - the equal protection of the law - a "radical" notion?
There is nothing that pleases me more than to see young people reject the idea that religion should serve to oppress people. No, that doesn't mean they've rejected Christianity, only that they view Christ's message in terms of acceptance and respect, not knee-jerk condemnation of two people living responsibly because of some stray passage in an ancient book.
No, that doesn't mean they've rejected Christianity, only that they view Christ's message in terms of acceptance and respect, not knee-jerk condemnation of two people living responsibly because of some stray passage in an ancient book.
Thank God that doesn't need to happen anymore.
You have openly advocated again and again and again that the rule of law should be discarded for the tyranny imposed by unelected judges wearing black robes. Your record speaks for itself.
Instead, you demand that Vermont law be imposed upon California by black-robed tyrants - at least as long as you support what they are doing. Yet that same rule doesn't apply when it comes to California law being imposed upon Vermont. (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,290914.msg1518726.html#msg1518726)
Denying gays the right to the benefits, protections and status of civil marriage is a violation of equal protection. Yes, the culture has changed, and some religions continue to condemn homosexuality, but come on now - my neighbors are no threat to anyone else and deserve the same opportunity as you and me to be happy in a covenant relationship with the person they love.
"Road to destruction"? Don't be ridiculous - my neighbors tend their yard and walk my dog when I'm away. I reject slippery slope arguments as false and oppressive. If the issue is personal morality, then address divorce and promiscuity, and display some respect for those of us who've done the hard work to make a marriage work -whether gay or straight.
It was again hilarious to read Jazzy fall right into the trap of justifying his hypocrisy on this issue.
Hoodat NAILED him point-blank and he picked it ups and ran with his inane justifications of unmitigated bullshit to justify the tyranny he pushes.
And here this morning, he goes to great lengths to justify that hypocrisy.
It's what tyrants and their mobs of sycophants do.
And it is precisely why we have a Second Amendment, to defend ourselves against such tyrants.
The states are sovereign entities that have chosen to confederate under the umbrella of the Constitution. To that end, each state can reasonably regulate firearms as they see fit, and there is no requirement of uniformity since firearms possession is intrinsically a local concern. So, yes, Philadelphia ought to have the right to reject the trappings of Texas gun culture if it determines that open carry in the public square is inappropriate. And a Texan traveling to Philly with a firearm (or vice versa) should be subject to local laws, just as he is when purchasing/consuming alcohol.
Denying gays the right to the benefits, protections and status of civil marriage is a violation of equal protection.
No hypocrisy, sir. Alabama's constitution doesn't Trump the federal Constitution and its guarantee of equal protection.
This is highly amusing. For someone with whom i've gone round and round about the inappropriateness of using the 14th amendment to apply Federal restrictions to the states regarding religion, you are seemingly all in favor of taking the "state's rights" position regarding the second amendment.
How is it appropriate to require the states to ban religion under the pretension that Federal requirements apply to the states, but to reject this same claim when discussing the second amendment?
You can't have it both ways.
We did not consent.
There's no contradiction.
The Second Amendment trumps state laws that would infringe the rights of gun owners.
You have no right to consent.
This isn't a democracy ruled by religious mobs, it's a Constitutional republic. The power of government is constrained - it cannot deny the law's equal protection.
The entire premise of this government is built on legitimacy through the consent of the governed.
You are still favoring democracy when you know darn well this isn't a democracy but a Constitutional republic. Some things aren't to be taken away by a majoritarian mob - religion-fueled or otherwise. One of those things is the law's equal protection.
You are still favoring democracy when you know darn well this isn't a democracy but a Constitutional republic. Some things aren't to be taken away by a majoritarian mob - religion-fueled or otherwise. One of those things is the law's equal protection.If we really want to go there, if equal protection can be extended to marriage law, then technically wouldn't they ALL be unconstitutional? After all, there are people such as myself who cannot find a willing partner to marry and are thus denied its privileges.
If you had your way, DL, would you still lock them up?
If we really want to go there, if equal protection can be extended to marriage law, then technically wouldn't they ALL be unconstitutional? After all, there are people such as myself who cannot find a willing partner to marry and are thus denied its privileges.
Your interpretation is capricious and selective, benefiting one vindictive and vocal mob of subversives over others.
No hypocrisy, sir. Alabama's constitution doesn't Trump the federal Constitution and its guarantee of equal protection. Gays can marry, thank God, and you can't do a damn thing about it except to mouth empty threats of violence.I'm not sure what "god" you are thanking, but The One I worship has spoken quite clearly on abomination. You and your 'neighbors' are free to ignore that at your eternal peril.
*****rollingeyes*****
If they broke the law, I sure would.
But would you "lock them up in houses of bedlam for being crazy"? That's the practice you appeared to have endorsed as consistent with "200+ years of this nation's existence".Hmmm. "Boy, you want to put your what, where? You are >bleeping< crazy!"
Now the Second Amendment applies to the states and places an absolute restriction on the ability to regulate. As explained in Heller, the state can regulate, but cannot deny the right of self-defense which is the purpose of the RKBA. Hence, a ban on handguns is unconstitutional - but not a regime of registration and insurance, except to the extent such regime is so onerous as to effectively deny the fundamental right.
And that's why marriage equality is the law of the land. The Constitutional right at stake is the equal protection of the law. And a state that chooses to ban the right of gays to marry under the civil law, while preserving that status for opposite sex couples, has denied homosexuals the law's equal protection.
That violation of the federal Constitution is why Roy Moore was removed from office for refusing to permit gays to marry in Alabama.
Alabama's constitution may define marriage as between a man and a woman, but that constitution violates the Federal Constitution's guarantee of equal protection.
So there's no contradiction in my positions - Pennsylvania's gun laws are consistent with the Federal Constitution, but Alabama's prohibition on same sex civil marriage is not.
It's the law of the land.
Why should you and me have the benefits and protections of marriage but not my neighbors?
How is fundamental fairness - the equal protection of the law - a "radical" notion?
There is nothing that pleases me more than to see young people reject the idea that religion should serve to oppress people. No, that doesn't mean they've rejected Christianity, only that they view Christ's message in terms of acceptance and respect, not knee-jerk condemnation of two people living responsibly because of some stray passage in an ancient book.
This is highly amusing. For someone with whom i've gone round and round about the inappropriateness of using the 14th amendment to apply Federal restrictions to the states regarding religion, you are seemingly all in favor of taking the "state's rights" position regarding the second amendment.
How is it appropriate to require the states to ban religion under the pretension that Federal requirements apply to the states, but to reject this same claim when discussing the second amendment?
You can't have it both ways.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ex-ala-prevent-roy-moore-harassing-cheerleaders-article-1.3648980
Another story. Who knows? This could be something dreamed up, I'll bet the former police officer saying this is a Democrat.
Thank You for the updates @Sighlass
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ex-ala-prevent-roy-moore-harassing-cheerleaders-article-1.3648980From the link...
Another story. Who knows? This could be something dreamed up, I'll bet the former police officer saying this is a Democrat.
“We were also told to watch him at the ball games and make sure that he didn’t hang around the cheerleaders,” Gray said.
“The rumor was that Roy Moore likes young girls,” she added. “It was not only in our department but at the courthouse, too.”
Gray, a 37-year police veteran who was a detective for the juvenile division at the time, said the department took no action against Moore because it never received complaints on the allegations.
BS! Frank She lives in Alabama and is providing an unfiltered account of what is actually happening on the ground there you need to loosen up that tin foil a bit there's not a Moore Lover behind every tree.
BS! Frank She lives in Alabama and is providing an unfiltered account of what is actually happening on the ground there you need to loosen up that tin foil a bit there's not a Moore Lover behind every tree.
From the link...Her timelines just don’t add up, not to mention what you stated above. It’s the leftist media trying to find some shred of fact to pile on. And they can’t.
Rumor was.... But no complaints, no interdiction, just rumors. Lat's not forget that Moore has had political enemies in the past, too.
Again with the "Several women" thing But I'm still at three alleging any legal wrongdoing.
Her timelines just don’t add up, not to mention what you stated above. It’s the leftist media trying to find some shred of fact to pile on. And they can’t.
Roy Moore graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York in 1969! You know!!! The place where "We do not Lie, Cheat, or Steal and do not tolerate those who do!" was drummed into his head EVERY DAY for the entire 4 years he was there!Agree, yet there are those on the left including a few unmentionables that post their leftist crap views on this site, that will try to slam West Point ethics.
There is NO way in hell that guy did ANY of the crap they are trying to hang on him and most everyone in Alabama knows it!
Agree, yet there are those on the left including a few unmentionables that post their leftist crap views on this site, that will try to slam West Point ethics.
Hitting on teenagers by a thirty-something assistant DA is not "West Point ethics".I knew Jazzy would be the first to jump on my comment. However, its not a matter of "want to believe" or not. The accuser has the burden of proof in our society, not the accused. So in the absence of any evidence from the accusers, there is nothing to believe from them. So, in that case the Judge, and soon to be Senator, get the benefit of the doubt.
What this boils down to is whether you want to believe the accusations or not. On the one hand, the accusations are from multiple sources, on the record, and corroborated by the reporting of an ostensibly responsible news organization. On the other hand, the accusations pertain to a evangelical social conservative, and we cannot abide another pro-abortion Democrat in the Senate!
Note I said "want to believe". That's the crux of it. We all believed Juanita Broderick, because we wanted to - and the Democrats of course, chose not to believe. Now some of us, without the slightest trace of irony, are embracing the Clinton playbook - Moore may be a perv, but he's our perv, and the political stakes are so high that we willingly suspend our morality and common decency to back the man who's the enemy of our enemy.
Whatever may happen in the election, evangelicals will lose the most, because they have willingly conceded the moral high ground.
Hitting on teenagers by a thirty-something assistant DA is not "West Point ethics".
What this boils down to is whether you want to believe the accusations or not. On the one hand, the accusations are from multiple sources, on the record, and corroborated by the reporting of an ostensibly responsible news organization. On the other hand, the accusations pertain to a evangelical social conservative, and we cannot abide another pro-abortion Democrat in the Senate!
Note I said "want to believe". That's the crux of it. We all believed Juanita Broderick, because we wanted to - and the Democrats of course, chose not to believe. Now some of us, without the slightest trace of irony, are embracing the Clinton playbook - Moore may be a perv, but he's our perv, and the political stakes are so high that we willingly suspend our morality and common decency to back the man who's the enemy of our enemy.
Whatever may happen in the election, evangelicals will lose the most, because they have willingly conceded the moral high ground.
Court Documents Raise Significant Questions About Leigh Corfman’s Accusations Against Roy Moore
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/court-documents-raise-significant-questions-leigh-corfmans-accusations-roy-moore/
BOOM! Witness Drops Bomb! PROVES Gloria Allred and Accuser Nelson Were Lying – SAYS MEDIA WOULD NOT TALK With HER
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/boom-witness-drops-bomb-proves-gloria-allred-accuser-nelson-lying-says-media-not-talk/
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Boyfriend of Roy Moore Accuser: I Don’t Believe Her
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/20/exclusive-ex-boyfriend-of-roy-moore-accuser-i-dont-believe-her/
Breitbart and Gateway Pundit, bringing the truth as always!
Yes, let's not believe the lies of fellow employees, former boyfriends, and most of all those dirty lying court documents. But let's believe shaky stories from shady criminal WaPo hit reporters and their shaky 'witness' accounts.
Yes, let's not believe the lies of fellow employees, former boyfriends, and most of all those dirty lying court documents. But let's believe shaky stories from shady criminal WaPo hit reporters and their shaky 'witness' accounts.:amen: :thumbsup:
Hitting on teenagers by a thirty-something assistant DA is not "West Point ethics".I have said it before so I'm going to try this. Jazzy is marooned on an island with two women. One is a psychobitch from Hell, twice divorced, with all sorts of emotional baggage and full to the brim with resentments against any male, just fill in the blank. The other is 17, pleasant, no baggage, and a fresh outlook on life.
What this boils down to is whether you want to believe the accusations or not. On the one hand, the accusations are from multiple sources, on the record, and corroborated by the reporting of an ostensibly responsible news organization. On the other hand, the accusations pertain to a evangelical social conservative, and we cannot abide another pro-abortion Democrat in the Senate!
Note I said "want to believe". That's the crux of it. We all believed Juanita Broderick, because we wanted to - and the Democrats of course, chose not to believe. Now some of us, without the slightest trace of irony, are embracing the Clinton playbook - Moore may be a perv, but he's our perv, and the political stakes are so high that we willingly suspend our morality and common decency to back the man who's the enemy of our enemy.
Whatever may happen in the election, evangelicals will lose the most, because they have willingly conceded the moral high ground.
Yes, let's not believe the lies of fellow employees, former boyfriends, and most of all those dirty lying court documents. But let's believe shaky stories from shady criminal WaPo hit reporters and their shaky 'witness' accounts.
You sit there sanctimoniously braying about how evil the man supposedly was for looking where he was most likely to find a suitable mate. I don't think you have a clue.
You sit there sanctimoniously braying about how evil the man supposedly was for looking where he was most likely to find a suitable mate. I don't think you have a clue.
Oh $hit, sorry @Sighlass I am guilty of avatar misappropriation.
Most the time it is me (a guy) posting but occasionally my wife will use my account and post something (on very rare occasions).
@Free Vulcan
What made you decide that this group of employees, witnesses, or whatever is more reliable than the ones who came out against Moore?
@Free Vulcan
What made you decide that this group of employees, witnesses, or whatever is more reliable than the ones who came out against Moore?