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Title: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 08:58:05 am


The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda


http://locklip.com/nwo-agenda-alien-agenda/ (http://locklip.com/nwo-agenda-alien-agenda/)



Qx: I have been convinced of this for at least a couple of decades.


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However, the truth is the truth, and the evidence, as we shall see, is overwhelming. If you’re wondering how ETs (extra-terrestrials) or aliens fit into the whole picture of the NWO (New World Order), its simple:



They’re intimately involved at the top of the pyramid. The NWO agenda is the alien agenda; they are one and the same.


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But Aren’t There Many {PURPORTED}Alien Agendas?


Yes. There is not just one alien agenda.


 There are many alien agendas that crop up and emerge as common themes throughout the testimonies of alien contactees and alien abductees.



Here is a brief and incomplete list of some of them, which run the gamut from positive and helpful, to negative and hostile:


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There is so much proof it is far, far beyond the scope of this article to include it all, however I will give an outline and numerous examples. There are many sources with a broad spectrum of provability.


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The ones listed first here are more “provable” to the rational, logical mind, for those interested in hard evidence:


 
Photographic and video evidence of ETs and UFOs



Eyewitness accounts of alien contactees and alien abductees of their encounters and interactions with ETs



Alien, abduction and UFO researchers (ufologists) who have listened to and collected hundreds of case files of contactees and abductees



Testimony of former governmental and military insiders who saw case files and worked in “alien departments” of their organizations



Declassified governmental and military documents and case files



Past and present stories, myths and legends from all over the world



We will go through each of these below, but first, let’s consider the story of Phil Schneider.



Phil Schneider was the first to state:



“The New World Order agenda is the alien agenda.”


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Cynthia Drayer, Phil’s ex-wife, has highlighted the many suspicious details surrounding Schneider’s death.



Schneider was close friends with Al Bielek, the man involved in the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project.



In this video Bielek reveals special information that Schneider had confided in him, including tales of 7 foot Grey aliens dictating policy at a secret UN underground base, and how Schneider secretly flew to Japan in a private jet to reveal how the Kobe “earthquake” was a nuclear attack by the US.



Schneider’s account is also corroborated by the Dulce Papers (or Dulce Book) which talk of a fight between humans and aliens in 1979 at the underground base at Dulce, New Mexico.

{Qx: I realize that a lot of such testimony is readily derided, dismissed lacking courtroom, lab level "hard 1,000% proof." I have moved Schneider's stuff into the highly probably true category because of sufficient-to-me other sources and puzzle pieces affirming similar or the same things. I'm impressed by the scope of this argicle, whether I agree with precisely every detail, or not.






And I want to insist that the critters are evidently not from distant galaxies but, instead, are evil entities/fallen angels from an 'evil spiritual dimension.' Dr Jacques Vallee and Dr J Allen Hynek asserted similar convictions.


The script they are following is entirely consistent with the Biblical Scriptures in Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation.}
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So Aliens Are Among Us – But Are They Malevolent?


Given the compelling amount of evidence above in this article (a tiny fraction of all the evidence in existence on the topic) – which not only indicates the existence of ETs, but also shows many are interfering in Earth affairs with a hostile agenda – it’s surprising that there is still the belief out there among some circles that,



“All ETs are benevolent and have humanity’s best interest at heart”.



This is foolish nonsense – and dangerous nonsense too, because it gives people a false idea about our galactic neighbors, and thus lowering their defenses and making them more susceptible to some kind of invasion or manipulation.


 For some reason, this notion has been pushed by none other than Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project.


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Greer is dead wrong on this point, as Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan of Project Camelot pointed out in this heated discussion, as well as other leading experts on exopolitics such as Dr. Michael Salla who wrote the rebuttal Exopolitics vs Exospin.



Some have theorized this is due to Greer’s connection with Lawrence Rockefeller of the infamous Rockefeller family (one of the 2 main NWO families along with the Rothschild’s).



 Aliens atop the NWO Pyramid


Many have exposed the alien connection to world events, but David Icke has been the most comprehensive in the many books he has written on the Reptilian theme which has inextricably intertwined with the NWO.



The Biggest Secret (1999), Children of The Matrix (2001) and The Perception Deception (2013) in particular contain a monumental amount of dot-connecting and information showing that at the apex of the NWO pyramid are non-human entities.


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Qx: I realize that a lot of stuff in the article will be very questionable to many addicted to bending over backwards to the point of back flips to avoid a false positive error--automatically causing them to be victimized by a false negative error.


I don't care to haggle over such details any more. I've moved on from that point. That point is ancient history, to me. This or that detail may or may not be false, wrong, greatly distorted. It doesn't matter to me. The over all picture and substantial details are PLENTY CLEAR ENOUGH.


There is one report


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOHUO-1Bdgs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOHUO-1Bdgs)


that the Tom DeLonge project is but one of 6 similar disclosure efforts from or with officialdom.


Times ARE a changin,' folks. Times ARE a changing big time. How fast remains to be seen but my impression is that the speed is increasing rapidly.


Some might think I'd be gleeful to anticipate that my convictions and assertions for 50+ years will soon be confirmed. I'm NOT. I'd rather this not happen in my lifetime. Tough tacos. It will.


Officialdom drags things out often enough--certainly with this topic/sphere.


However, at some point sufficient critical mass will pile up that it will likely run away at incredible speed with marginal possibly control of the officials.


Check out about minute 07:15 on the video I liked last above.


The most important prepping is spiritual prepping. If you are not walking as close to Jesus as you know how to, by the power of His Blood and Spirit--you'd best get on the stick. The longer you delay, the more likely it is that you may end up deceived by the GREAT DECEPTION of the end times that Christ spoke of.


The world is on the brink of reality changing in almost unimaginable ways. This is not an era for the faint of heart.


Crawling in a cave and trying to hide will not work. It simply will not work. It may be a worthy delay to have a well prepared bunker if one is wealthy. But at some point, God alone is going to be our only defense, high tower, provision, protection, peace, etc.


By the same token, this is a time when those who walk with God SHALL DO GREAT EXPLOITS in behalf of God and His Kingdom. Nothing else is worth the bother or effort.


Cowardice is one of the sins that the NT notes can land folks in hell. Now is not the time for cowardice. We are called, commanded, required to stand tall as Believers and warriors in league with Christ and His angelic host.


Ridicule probably ought to be considered the assault worth the least concern or bother.


Satan and his crew are intent on destroying as many humans from this life as possible--BEFORE Christ wraps things up at Armageddon--and with as much suffering and bloodshed as possible. If you don't realize that, you are likely some level of clueless or uninformed.


He's determined to mete out great vengeance on God's favorite creation because he was kicked out of Heaven. As the NT notes, he is increasingly wrathful because he knows his time is short.


God will keep satan within some boundaries. Nevertheless, Scripture is clear that it will be an era than has ever befallen the earth and worse than will ever befall the earth in the future. Wake up, folks. It's not going to be Hollyweed with everyone continuing life as usual after the credits roll.


The video above credits Donald Trump with insuring the release of the military aircraft video . . . just noting that one report claimed that. No corroboration, yet.


There's a LOT more to say . . . but this is enough, for now.


Blessed be the name of The Lord. Let God arise and His enemies be scattered and exterminated.

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on December 20, 2017, 02:07:20 pm
The world is on the brink of reality changing in almost unimaginable ways. This is not an era for the faint of heart.

@Quix Thank you for this post. 

I wholeheartedly agree.

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 03:32:55 pm
@Quix Thank you for this post. 

I wholeheartedly agree.

Do you sometimes walk down the street . . . or sit pensively in your easy chair . . . wishing you could come up with a sure-fire way to wake up all the clueless, lobotomized, tuned-out, super ignorant, stubborn, blind . . . folks you still love so much? And then, kind of grieve and sigh, realizing there evidently is not such a way available.

Thanks for your kind affirmation.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2017, 04:20:31 pm
Do you sometimes walk down the street . . . or sit pensively in your easy chair . . . wishing you could come up with a sure-fire way to wake up all the clueless, lobotomized, tuned-out, super ignorant, stubborn, blind . . . folks you still love so much? And then, kind of grieve and sigh, realizing there evidently is not such a way available.

Thanks for your kind affirmation.

I'm not so sure I want these fools awakened.  Like the Tommy Lee Jones character "K" said in MIB:  "Individuals are smart, but people are stupid.  The only reason they can go around their lives is because.  They.  Do.  Not.  Know."

How many people would say, "Aw screw it, the Compass of Morality I've been using for all these years is no longer valid, so I'm going to go in a crime rampage."  Or simply riot as a means of stealing everybody's stuff?  Too many.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 06:51:52 pm
I'm not so sure I want these fools awakened.  Like the Tommy Lee Jones character "K" said in MIB:  "Individuals are smart, but people are stupid.  The only reason they can go around their lives is because.  They.  Do.  Not.  Know."

How many people would say, "Aw screw it, the Compass of Morality I've been using for all these years is no longer valid, so I'm going to go in a crime rampage."  Or simply riot as a means of stealing everybody's stuff?  Too many.

I think that's an excellent point.

Certainly the oligarchy through their MSM have been literally brainwashing them to do exactly that. Witness the snowflakes rioting almost on an imaginary WHIM.

When  they see that they really have no hope--particularly after taking the mark of the beast . . . full court press rampage in the worst way will likely be their dying hallmark; their reflex; their 'statement.'

Pathetic will be far too mild a word.

Somehow, God's mercy will extend to very young children. Heavenly visits report even brutally murdered toddlers have no grief or sadness at all over how they were sent to Heaven. That gives me hope for the children. Some reported being out of their bodies so quickly they didn't feel any pain. Praise God for that.

I've grieved overmuch ahead of time . . . for the children.

But average selfish, stubborn, arrogant, clueless citizen . . . I have some compassion for them . . . but Now is the Day of Salvation. The window on that will not be eternally open.

Sigh.

Thanks for your kind reply.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on December 20, 2017, 06:58:47 pm
Do you sometimes walk down the street . . . or sit pensively in your easy chair . . . wishing you could come up with a sure-fire way to wake up all the clueless, lobotomized, tuned-out, super ignorant, stubborn, blind . . . folks you still love so much? And then, kind of grieve and sigh, realizing there evidently is not such a way available.

Thanks for your kind affirmation.

Yes I do.  But... not everyone will have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 07:24:08 pm

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article190228164.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article190228164.html)

Head of the Pentagon’s secret ‘UFO’ office wanted to release 3 unexplained videos By Joby Warrick
 The Washington Post

December 17, 2017 10:00 AM

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WASHINGTON



    Just before leaving his Defense Department job two months ago, intelligence officer Luis Elizondo quietly arranged to secure the release of three of the most unusual videos in the Pentagon’s secret vaults: raw footage from encounters between fighter jets and “anomalous aerial vehicles” - military jargon for UFOs.



 The videos, all taken from cockpit cameras, show pilots struggling to lock their radars on oval-shaped vessels that, on screen, look vaguely like giant flying Tic Tacs. The strange aircraft - no claims are made about their possible origins or makeup - appear to hover briefly before sprinting away at speeds that elicit gasps and shouts from the pilots.




Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article190228164.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article190228164.html#storylink=cpy)
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Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-Head (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-Head) of the Pentagon’s secret ‘UFO’ office wanted to release 3 unexplained videos By Joby Warrick
 The Washington Post

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article190228164.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article190228164.html#storylink=cpy)
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Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 07:24:58 pm
Yes I do.  But... not everyone will have eyes to see and ears to hear.

For sure. That's for . . . sure.

I am trying to make very sure, too, that no one on Judgment Day can point their finger at me and whine that I knew but didn't try and warn them.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on December 20, 2017, 07:37:06 pm
For sure. That's for . . . sure.

I am trying to make very sure, too, that no one on Judgment Day can point their finger at me and whine that I knew but didn't try and warn them.

@Quix
I need improvement in that department and will work on it.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 07:55:54 pm

https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2528&category=Science (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2528&category=Science)

Bigelow Aerospace Founder Tells CBS's 60 Minutes On May 28th
 â€œThere Is An Existing Presence, An E.T. Presence” On Earth Now


© 2017 by Linda Moulton Howe



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May 30, 2017 Las Vegas, Nevada - During the recent Memorial Day holiday on Sunday, May 28, 2017, the CBS network's highly credible news program 60 Minutes had a segment reported by correspondent Lara Logan with Robert Bigelow, 73. Mr. Bigelow is the founder of Bigelow Aerospace and longtime owner of Budget Suites of America, a chain of nineteen low budget, long-stay rental apartments in three states.



In conjunction with the May 28th 60 Minutes CBS broadcast, the network also produced on its news website a May 28, 2017, report of the Lara Logan interview entitled “Bigelow Aerospace Founder Says Commercial World Will Lead In Space.” Logan says in the report, “With no formal training in science or engineering, Robert Bigelow created an aerospace company with scientists and engineers that's achieved what no one else in the industry has done. His expandable spacecraft are the first and only alternative to the metal structures that have housed every astronaut in space for over half a century.”


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This article documents that Bigelow asserts emphatically that the critters are here now etc. etc. etc.
I think this article is behind her paywall.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 07:57:41 pm
@Quix
I need improvement in that department and will work on it.

Part of the lesson of The Cross is that we cannot perfect ourselves; do anything perfectly--particularly in our own strength.

By HIS GRACE ALONE do we breathe and have our being . . . and do anything of any lasting good for Him and His Kingdom.

Am also learning to avoid being unfittingly and unduely hard on myself--that only bears bad fruit.

God's best to you and those you Love this CHRISTmas.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 20, 2017, 08:14:29 pm
I forgot to mention, @QuixA VERY MERRY Christmas to you, up in the Mountains, and to all on your AR Ping List!

 :tree3: 888deco 8888mistltoe :tree3:
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 20, 2017, 08:32:30 pm
I forgot to mention, @QuixA VERY MERRY Christmas to you, up in the Mountains, and to all on your AR Ping List!

 :tree3: 888deco 8888mistltoe :tree3:

LIKEWISE TO YOU AND THOSE YOU LOVE.

THANKS THANKS.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 21, 2017, 12:26:34 am
I am trying to make very sure, too, that no one on Judgment Day can point their finger at me and whine that I knew but didn't try and warn them.
@Quix

I teach a Bible class and I use Jesus' own words about the end days.  He tells us what to look for, how it will be, and what to do about it.  That is what I would tell anyone about the end days, using Jesus' words.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 21, 2017, 12:57:29 am
@Quix

I teach a Bible class and I use Jesus' own words about the end days.  He tells us what to look for, how it will be, and what to do about it.  That is what I would tell anyone about the end days, using Jesus' words.


That's a great habit and  policy. Congrats.

I hope your health is better.

I got lazy on some of my supplements and am fighting off chest congestion myself.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 21, 2017, 01:02:46 am
@Quix

I teach a Bible class and I use Jesus' own words about the end days.  He tells us what to look for, how it will be, and what to do about it.  That is what I would tell anyone about the end days, using Jesus' words.


On the other hand, this is the Scripture that has guided me a lot for most of my 70+ years.

Ezekiel 33:6
But if the watchman sees the enemy coming and doesn’t sound the alarm to warn the people, he is responsible for their captivity. They will die in their sins, but I will hold the watchman responsible for their deaths.’
NLT
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 21, 2017, 01:58:36 am
That's a great habit and  policy. Congrats.
I hope your health is better.
I got lazy on some of my supplements and am fighting off chest congestion myself.
@Quix

Check your regular email.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 21, 2017, 02:46:46 am
@Quix

I read the whole seven pages at http://locklip.com/nwo-agenda-alien-agenda/. (http://locklip.com/nwo-agenda-alien-agenda/.)

He said to look at the films but there were no films:
"It may take you awhile to discern which is which, but if you familiarize yourself with watching them, it will become apparent. As a starting list, the following ones appear genuine: the Phoenix lights incident, ET craft/orbs appearing (and rapidly speeding off) in London, Jerusalem (Dome of the Rock), Australia, Hawaii and (one of my personal favorites) over a little river in Italy. Check out this footage also of UFOs descending into a cigar-shaped mothership in the skies of South Africa."  There was no film.

"In this video Bielek reveals special information that Schneider had confided in him, including tales of 7 foot Grey aliens dictating policy at a secret UN underground base, and how Schneider secretly flew to Japan in a private jet to reveal how the Kobe “earthquake” was a nuclear attack by the US."  There was no video.

He spoke of people taken by aliens but no quotes from them.  The whole seven pages is just him writing with no evidence, no films, no quotes from abductees provided.
 
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 21, 2017, 03:43:44 am
@Quix

I clicked on another YouTube on that page and it is this:

"David Icke (Dec 17, 2017) - Reptilians Are About To Attack New Update"

According to this guy, every country ruler is Reptilian and so are heads of banks controlling the finances of the world, the New World Order people are all Reptilian.  There are Reptiles that operate just outside visible light so we don't see them as they really are.  The Bush family and Royal family are Reptiles.  All these people are hybrid Reptiles.  We are not solid, we are only holograms and can shift from human to Reptilian and back again.  They have no empathy as they are not human which is why they start wars.  Sometimes their eyes shift to reptile eyes, that is the first thing that changes when they turn into Reptiles.

After that one finished, this one started: "David Wilcock (Dec 19, 2017) - It's a Really Bad News! Break Down Illuminati New Update".  Now, the Illuminati is going to destroy the world.

I am sitting in my house and I see myself and this room.  I am going to a casino tomorrow and win money I can see.  A pox on the Reptiles, the Illuminati, the Aliens from outer space.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 21, 2017, 04:37:30 am
@Quix

I clicked on another YouTube on that page and it is this:

"David Icke (Dec 17, 2017) - Reptilians Are About To Attack New Update"

According to this guy, every country ruler is Reptilian and so are heads of banks controlling the finances of the world, the New World Order people are all Reptilian.  There are Reptiles that operate just outside visible light so we don't see them as they really are.  The Bush family and Royal family are Reptiles.  All these people are hybrid Reptiles.  We are not solid, we are only holograms and can shift from human to Reptilian and back again.  They have no empathy as they are not human which is why they start wars.  Sometimes their eyes shift to reptile eyes, that is the first thing that changes when they turn into Reptiles.

After that one finished, this one started: "David Wilcock (Dec 19, 2017) - It's a Really Bad News! Break Down Illuminati New Update".  Now, the Illuminati is going to destroy the world.

I am sitting in my house and I see myself and this room.  I am going to a casino tomorrow and win money I can see.  A pox on the Reptiles, the Illuminati, the Aliens from outer space.


Yeah, I think Icke sees a reptilian under every bed and in every shadow. I don't know if there's any truth nuggets in his stuff or not.

I do believe there are reptilians among the critters in cahoots with the oligarchy, however. I think there's a lot more solid sources than Icke asserting such.

Oh, you have noted something to the effect that the oligarchy hasn't seemed to achieve much in XX decades etc.

I fiercely disagree. They have long implemented their frog-in-the-bucket very effectively. They know that too rapid a pace to their tyrannical one world government goal would sabotage their efforts wholesale.

They MUST make it a very gradual thing.

They do seem to be acting a big barn-sour now. Still, I doubt they'll rush things so much they blow themselves out of the water.

In the 55 years I've studied them, they have mad A HUGE DEGREE OF PROGRESS and huge changes in our culture, our values etc.

1. They bought out the major media organs in 1915 & 1917. Since then, they have expanded those holdings massively and now have a more or less lock step iron grip on the media. This is common knowledge and is even bragged about in some quarters. IIRC, ~30 families control 90+% of the main stream media--particularly all the bigger orgs and markets.

2. They have gained virtually a similar iron grip on education--particularly public and ivy league universities. All the Ivy league universities began as Bible colleges, Now, they are spewing the dogma, propaganda of the oligarchy brainwashing future leaders and the population with the nihlistic, anti-God, particularly anti-Christian values and decisions.

3. They have changed the cultural values almost wholesale from chiefly Judeo-Christian to:
--there is no objective right or wrong
--free sex with anyone and anything is cool
--marriage with anyone, including animals is cool
--violence, mayhem, chaos is cool
--corruption in high places is cool and unassailable
--Marxism is cool, even essential
--Socialism is cool, even essential
--globalism is cool, essential
--drug abuse is cool--witness Billdo Dilldo's cocaine habit in the Whitehouse
--America is bad, evil, destructive, needs torn down and rebuilt in Marx's image
--Science is the only intellectually worthy god
etc. etc. etc.

4. They have shredded to a significant degree our freedom of movement and travel

5. They have shredded to a significant degree our Constitutional rights to avoid search, seizure and incarceration and atny representation. Now anyone can be declared an enemy or terrorist and incarcerated indefinitely without trial, without an atny etc.

6. They have intensified their mass brainwashing via media, movies, TV, education etc. toward globalist goals.

7. They have extended their genocidal sacrificial killing of infants into the 10's of millions of innocents in keeping with their depopulation goals.

8. They have shredded fathers, men, fathering and the families.

etc. etc. etc.

Back in my  PhD program, one of my professors had been a White House Fellow under President Carter. I was talking to her about what she'd seen at such levels toward establishment of a global government etc. etc.

She mostly said that such change would take 100 years. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 21, 2017, 05:42:12 am
prophetic Mark Taylor Interview Dec 2017  "Trump Won't Be Impeached--Mark Taylor Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krN1IZPBFCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krN1IZPBFCc)
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 21, 2017, 05:47:46 pm
@Quix
You said: I do believe there are reptilians among the critters in cahoots with the oligarchy...
You said they:
"3. They have changed the cultural values almost wholesale from chiefly Judeo-Christian to:
--there is no objective right or wrong
--free sex with anyone and anything is cool
--marriage with anyone, including animals is cool
--violence, mayhem, chaos is cool
--corruption in high places is cool and unassailable
--Marxism is cool, even essential
--Socialism is cool, even essential
--globalism is cool, essential
--drug abuse is cool--witness Billdo Dilldo's cocaine habit in the Whitehouse"
--America is bad, evil, destructive, needs torn down and rebuilt in Marx's image
--Science is the only intellectually worthy god etc. etc. etc.

You aren't giving human nature credit for choosing bad behavior on their own.
The first deception/murder started with the first four people on earth.
Eve and Adam rejected God, ate the apple, then hid themselves (deception) from God.
Cain murdered Abel.  That was the first murder and humans have been doing that since then, all on their own.
Humans, without belief in God/Christ/Holy Spirit guiding them, tend to choose corruptive behavior on their own.  They don't need outer space aliens or Reptiles corrupting them because they are already corrupt. 

The world’s early philosophers, which means they searched for wisdom to understand the world, how it worked and how/why people acted as they did in the world, were Heraclitus, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.  I have their works, their own words, except Heraclitus, plus I have the works of St. Thomas Aquinas, born 1225 AD.

These ancients were not from outer space nor were they reptiles.  When one reads their works, one recognizes their brain power sorting out the world and people’s place in it.  They explained human nature as they saw it in those days, how people reacted to events and how they lived their lives – basically either harming others or helping others.
 
The history of the world is made by human beings placed on this earth by God.  It is not a history of aliens from outer space and reptiles.

"Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophers
The “love for wisdom” (English translation of the Greek word philosophia) dates back to the ancient times in both the East and West. Although the fundamental questions of philosophy have been dealt with very early, the history of the Western philosophy begins with the ancient Greek philosophers in Asia Minor in the 6th century BC. Thales of Miletus who is regarded as the first ancient Greek philosopher had profoundly influenced other Greek thinkers, encouraging them to search for the answers in nature. The next centuries saw the rise of philosophical schools throughout Greece and emergence of some of the greatest thinkers of Western philosophy including Heraclitus 540 BC, Socrates (470 BC), Plato (428 BC) and Aristotle. (384 BC)." 


Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 21, 2017, 07:28:02 pm
@Victoria33 ,

I tried to indicate that the critters--all kinds--with the globalist oligarchy were the ones who changed our culture.

Certainly human nature has been complicit. However, the list I gave has advanced very significantly to wholesale  in the last 50 years. That was no accident.

It is a result of the globalists saying before 50 years ago what they would do--and then their doing it at increasing intensities and broader coverage. That's a historical record. One can ignore it but the record is there.

I too read some of those Greeks--particularly Aristotle and Plato. Smatterings of some others.

This end times era will have some themes and memes consistent with parts of history in this or that time and this or that place. This will be the first time in all of recorded history when all the pieces are in place exactly as Biblically described.

The fairly abundant evidence is that the critters have interacted with less than nice/evil human leaders throughout recorded history and before.

You may have failed to recall that satan has been working on the END TIMES DECEPTION--WITH his fallen 1/3 of the angels SINCE tempting Even in the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve being kicked out of the Garden. This is not only a recent history project. It is millennia long.

The level of evil by individuals to individuals; by individuals to groups; by groups to individuals; by groups to groups will be at very unprecedented levels in this era. THE BIBLE ITSELF declares emphatically that this era will be worse than ever before in earth's history and worse than ever will be again in the future. GOD said that.

I understand that you have a fairly strong motivation to discount, avoid, dismiss a lot of the assertions about this sort of thing that I make. That's certainly your right.

My expectation and hope for you in such regards is that WHEN events in daily life, in the nightly news etc. begin to demonstrate the literal playing out of what I have asserted--that you, with your high genius IQ will be well able to wake-up and note the realities accordingly.

I do not know what percentage of my assertions will turn out to have been less than 15% as I have asserted them. I'm fairly certain that a huge chunk of my assertions (maybe 40-85%--I actually think more likely 60-85%)

I have absolutely no doubt that such will be the case--i.e. that my perspective will prove true at 60-85% if not 80-95%. I'm as confident about the basic structure of my current understanding as I have about much of anything routinely rock solid in daily life.

I'm that degree of confident about my assertions due to my 55 years of extensive, wide, deep study of the topics. I have a lot of experience with my hypotheses, expectations, assumptions, conjectures.

i.e. I have a lot of experience forming tentative hypotheses; putting a lot of info on the upper shelves waiting for additional puzzle pieces to confirm etc. etc. etc.

A LOT of those hypotheses came true--most of them more or less precisely as I hypothesized they would.

For example, after studying the topic of UFO's for merely 3-5 years,  I became convinced that they would have a very significant role in the Biblical END TIMES events. Of course, that has proven true. Maybe about 5-8 years into the study, I hypothesized that the UFO stuff and the globalist stuff would end up more or less on the same side of reality, in cahoots etc. Certainly that bore out true.

I'm no longer interested in proving that to much of anyone. Sorry, sort of. I  spent 45-50 years doing that. I'm pretty well done with that--certainly routinely. It is a boring, tedious and often wasted effort because no amount of proof will convince some folks.

I don't think you are like that. However, your standard of proof and the type of proof you expect is more than I care to bother that much with. Again, it gets tedious and boring. And it takes a lot more time than it's worth. It's just not practical, to me, with a topic so rife with extensive black ops stuff and hyper-secrecy. It is not as though the proof is lying out in plain sight in abundance.

I don't expect you to take my assertions on faith, swallowed whole etc. No. I don't expect that, at all. I do hope you will consider them as fair-mindedly as you can.

I do hope you can put my assertions on a high shelf and watch for any confirmation that may come along.

I just don't have endless time and energy any longer to wrestle well with the intellectual push back from closer loved ones when said push back is fairly relentless and so tough to respond meaningfully to. I've done too many decades of that. It is no longer meaningful or worthwhile for me to go through endless mental hard drives and extensive corners of the net to reconstruct how I arrived at my conclusions. I am willing to give off the top of my head summaries of a fair amount of that--but not extensive proofs.

I'm far more interested at this point in time with seeing how many very bright folks are willing to dialogue with me about the "therefore what's" and "what if's" that I'm still pondering hypotheses about.

I decided 10-15 years ago that I'd pretty well done far more than enough of tediously jousting about proofs that were just not practical at this point in history.

Anyway--that's just where I am at this age. LOL.

I do greatly appreciate the bother and thoughtfulness of your responses. They are a good check on my perspective and reality.

It is a little bit interesting to me that: Even though I was well trained in testing; And, I did a fair amount of psych testing. There are aspects of your professional life that I'd virtually never doubt or question because you have far more extensive experience in those realms--even though I had significant experience in much the same realms. Even if  I learned something about your habits or perspective in those realms that was contrary to my own--my respect for you, your IQ and your experience is soooo high, I'd just not doubt or question you on such matters. The most I might do is put some aspect on a shelf and wait for resolution of the seeming difference between the differing perspectives of the 2 of us.


BTW, This video lays out a very standard strategy and part of the picture. It also illustrates why hard proof is difficult to provide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9686CJRpUIM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9686CJRpUIM)


LUB

= = = =

Here's an interesting link re Tom DeLong etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWe1m2XsyuU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWe1m2XsyuU)
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 23, 2017, 03:35:46 am
@Quix
My dear friend, with whom I have shared a meal and conversation for several hours -  you and I can converse, having different opinions, without lowering our regard for each other.

I am not a novice in regard to UFOs and have kept an open mind.  Numerous years ago, I bought every writing about the Roswell incident.  Then, I went there and bought everything they had that I didn’t have at that time, down to a copy of the local newspaper that came out at that time about the incident.  I read every single bit of every book.  As other writings came out about UFOs, I read them, including the first report of a physical encounter.  This was Barney and Betty Hill.

Moving on to yesterday and today.  I spent most of these two days watching/reading the resources you put on this thread, plus I watched YouTube films of several other men involved in this.
Here is a list of men I now know what they think and have done in this category of UFOs, aliens from outer space (the names are not in order in time – I made four pages of notes and these names are on there):

QUIX - YOUR REAL NAME IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST

Tom DeLonge – connected to the hot topic of the Air Force planes following the UFO that is all over TV right now.

Charles Hall and the Tall Whites - Millennial Hospitality
Charles Hall enlisted in the U.S. Air Force in 1964. In the 1970's he began writing stories about his experiences that would be published as fiction. He would later claim that these stories of mysterious encounters in the Mojave desert in Nevada were based on his real personal experience. His Millennial Hospitality series of books, he claims, are published as fiction to protect the identity of the characters.

Paul Hellyer, former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister of Defense:
He was on YouTube for almost an hour, with the title, “The Extraterrestrial Takeover Will Begin in 2018”.  He did not say anything about them beginning to take over in 2018.

Grant Cameron

Steve Justice retired, Lockheed

Paul Rapp – brain function and consciousness -  CIA

Jim Semivan – CIA – Intelligence Strategist

Police officer Ron Perdue – Winter Haven, Florida
Reported seeing a bright, round object nearly the size of a house that hovered about 2000 feet above the ground for 2~ to 3 minutes. The object was about 150 feet in diameter and had a steady glow except for a bright red stripe through the center. The object was bright enough to faintly illuminate the ground directly beneath it.

John Podesta

General McCasland

General Mackay

Robert Rice

Robert McNamara – Secretary of Defense

Now I can talk to you about any of these people and what they are doing, discuss their writings and their radio/film appearances on YouTube.

I still have to read “AZTEC” and watch the films you sent.  After I read/see those I will be an expert on them.   :seeya:  Then, we can talk about these.

Now, as to reptile DNA infused people (which I will never believe), supposed to be all the Bushes, the English Royal Family, every Royal Family everywhere, all higher bankers, other high-ranking people (now I can believe there is a lizard in Trump  :seeya:), I take you to Genesis 6 when there were giants who came from angels coming to earth and mating with earth women. They were destroyed along with every human being except Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives.  Note in the scripture that Noah was “perfect in his generations”; this means there was no DNA from giants or reptiles or any other contamination in him.  “9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)

“1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”

In closing, if people have my book, “Emergencies Happen – Be Prepared”, there is no reason to have stress over the coming end times no matter if there are UFOs or not.  The book stresses to prepare your house/backyard (if you have a backyard), as that is “YOUR country”, and you are the King or Queen of your country.  You can’t control the universe, the world, this country, your state, your county, but you can control “YOUR country” and make it a safe place for you to live in peace and substance.



Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 23, 2017, 03:51:26 am
@Quix
You said, "THE BIBLE ITSELF declares emphatically that this era will be worse than ever before in earth's history and worse than ever will be again in the future. GOD said that."

Yes it does, there will be earthquakes as never before and stars will fall from the sky, and man will kill each other as never before, and it says Christ will return so the whole world will not perish.  And, it says nothing about reptiles.

I have considered this year, 2017.  We had hurricanes more violent than ever before in Texas and Florida and the Florida Keys and Puerto Rico.  A violent earthquake in Mexico in that same time period. Raging fires not known before in California.  It seems to me every natural disaster that happens now is worse than ever before.  I do think we are in the end days.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Cyber Liberty on December 23, 2017, 03:54:42 am
Can't wait for that book, @Victoria33!  I have to work on my "Country" a little, though.  Mrs. Liberty has a bone to pick about my selection of "Benevolent Dictatorship" as the form of our "Government."  Says it resembles an Autocracy.   :shrug:
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 23, 2017, 04:06:56 am
Can't wait for that book, @Victoria33!  I have to work on my "Country" a little, though.  Mrs. Liberty has a bone to pick about my selection of "Benevolent Dictatorship" as the form of our "Government."  Says it resembles an Autocracy.   :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty

I think King and Queen with equal power would be your best bet to stay alive.  If you go with Benevolent Dictatorship, let your dog taste your drink and food first.

The book is on the reading list of a New York book agent.  At least it has a chance.  If she doesn't take it, I'll keep at it until one takes it.  A man book agent contacted me the week before Thanksgiving and said he would get back to me after Thanksgiving.  No word from him yet.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 23, 2017, 08:37:03 am

THANKS TONS DEAR HEART for your excellent points, as usual. It IS a treasure to be able to discuss difficult, complex things with mutual respect. I hope you continue to realize that any differences between our views do NOT mean any microgram of less respect for you, your brilliance, your experience, your extensive & long practiced study of the related topics.

I was merely, mostly trying to articulate a difficult thing to put into words--particularly with  someone I treasure and respect as highly as I do you. Let me try again.

I have spent probably 30-40 years of the 55 years I've studied such topics trying to offer the best reasons and arguments for my perspectives as I could.

In recent years, I've come to the conviction  that I not only need to move on, I have moved on from needing to do that for much of any reason. It's become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time compared to other priorities.

At this point in time  and in my life, it's MUCH MORE fruitful to me and of interest to me to talk about the THEREFORE WHAT'S that are still puzzlements to me. And, to talk about the implications of what I have concluded are true facts or mostly true facts.

I particularly enjoy and want to do that with such a brilliant caring, extremely well-studied person as you. It's OK that you either are not ready to do that or are not interested in doing that. I don't know if you are, or aren't--just saying that may be the case. So far, we seem to have spent a fair amount of time with me trying somewhat to document why I believe as I do. I can understand that. It would be easier if we could pretend that a given set of assumptions were true and go from there.

The book I'm now reading: THE TRUMP PROPHECIES by Mark Taylor is functioning as a kind of jolt, to me. He's asserting a number of surprising things. One of them is that God's timeline for the END TIMES very dramatic period is not the enemy's. That the enemy is trying to trigger things far too prematurely but God is not going to let him get away with that.

I have wondered HOW different God's timeline on the beginning of the horrific period was compared to satan's. I have always assumed satan wanted to rush such things but that God would hold him back to whatever unknown degree.

I've thought off and on that such was likely the case but usually ended up thinking we were a lot closer to the dramatic times than Mark Taylor believes we are.

I have thought that God might delay the horrific times very significantly depending on prayers and clean living on the part of Christian Believers.

Mark Taylor agrees that our prayers make lots of differences in events and in enlisting God's aid etc. He also asserts that while WW3 may well be likely--he doesn't think it will be any time soon. That surprised me.

However,  his personality, his nonverbal cues, various facts of his personal narrative are rather convincing. I'm convinced  that he really has a prophetic gifting from Almighty God Yehovah.

So, I'm in the process of trying to integrate, accommodate the information  he offers with my prior perspectives, conclusions, assumptions, conjectures and expectations re the end times. That's necessitating some significant changes. I think  they will be good changes--though surprising-to-me changes.

Anyway--you are THE favorite beloved person I like to discuss a list of things with--particularly these sorts of things.

I've also thought off and on that God may well give us a very dramatic period of great funding and success at spreading The Gospel far and wide. I just assumed that would be closer to the more dramatic horrific ending parts of the end times. And I assumed it might be short--in so many months vs 5-25 or whatever years.

Thanks for your kind words and for your extensive patience with me.

LUB





@Quix
My dear friend, with whom I have shared a meal and conversation for several hours -  you and I can converse, having different opinions, without lowering our regard for each other.

I am not a novice in regard to UFOs and have kept an open mind.  Numerous years ago, I bought every writing about the Roswell incident.  Then, I went there and bought everything they had that I didn’t have at that time, down to a copy of the local newspaper that came out at that time about the incident.  I read every single bit of every book.  As other writings came out about UFOs, I read them, including the first report of a physical encounter.  This was Barney and Betty Hill.

Moving on to yesterday and today.  I spent most of these two days watching/reading the resources you put on this thread, plus I watched YouTube films of several other men involved in this.
Here is a list of men I now know what they think and have done in this category of UFOs, aliens from outer space (the names are not in order in time – I made four pages of notes and these names are on there):

QUIX - YOUR REAL NAME IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST

Tom DeLonge – connected to the hot topic of the Air Force planes following the UFO that is all over TV right now.

Charles Hall and the Tall Whites - Millennial Hospitality
Charles Hall enlisted in the U.S. Air Force in 1964. In the 1970's he began writing stories about his experiences that would be published as fiction. He would later claim that these stories of mysterious encounters in the Mojave desert in Nevada were based on his real personal experience. His Millennial Hospitality series of books, he claims, are published as fiction to protect the identity of the characters.

Paul Hellyer, former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister of Defense:
He was on YouTube for almost an hour, with the title, “The Extraterrestrial Takeover Will Begin in 2018”.  He did not say anything about them beginning to take over in 2018.

Grant Cameron

Steve Justice retired, Lockheed

Paul Rapp – brain function and consciousness -  CIA

Jim Semivan – CIA – Intelligence Strategist

Police officer Ron Perdue – Winter Haven, Florida
Reported seeing a bright, round object nearly the size of a house that hovered about 2000 feet above the ground for 2~ to 3 minutes. The object was about 150 feet in diameter and had a steady glow except for a bright red stripe through the center. The object was bright enough to faintly illuminate the ground directly beneath it.

John Podesta

General McCasland

General Mackay

Robert Rice

Robert McNamara – Secretary of Defense

Now I can talk to you about any of these people and what they are doing, discuss their writings and their radio/film appearances on YouTube.

I still have to read “AZTEC” and watch the films you sent.  After I read/see those I will be an expert on them.   :seeya:  Then, we can talk about these.

Now, as to reptile DNA infused people (which I will never believe), supposed to be all the Bushes, the English Royal Family, every Royal Family everywhere, all higher bankers, other high-ranking people (now I can believe there is a lizard in Trump  :seeya:), I take you to Genesis 6 when there were giants who came from angels coming to earth and mating with earth women. They were destroyed along with every human being except Noah, his wife, his sons and their wives.  Note in the scripture that Noah was “perfect in his generations”; this means there was no DNA from giants or reptiles or any other contamination in him.  “9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)

“1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”

In closing, if people have my book, “Emergencies Happen – Be Prepared”, there is no reason to have stress over the coming end times no matter if there are UFOs or not.  The book stresses to prepare your house/backyard (if you have a backyard), as that is “YOUR country”, and you are the King or Queen of your country.  You can’t control the universe, the world, this country, your state, your county, but you can control “YOUR country” and make it a safe place for you to live in peace and substance.




Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 23, 2017, 08:55:40 am
@Cyber Liberty

I think King and Queen with equal power would be your best bet to stay alive.  If you go with Benevolent Dictatorship, let your dog taste your drink and food first.

The book is on the reading list of a New York book agent.  At least it has a chance.  If she doesn't take it, I'll keep at it until one takes it.  A man book agent contacted me the week before Thanksgiving and said he would get back to me after Thanksgiving.  No word from him yet.

I still think that one of the big problems in any kind of government is PRIDE. Another is size--the bigger the government, the worse it will be.

I've often pondered having well chosen leaders based on some personality habits and traits as well as specific governmental skills.

To top the list--I think I'd put

--HUMILITY
--LOVE/KINDNESS
--HONESTY/INTEGRITY
--REASONABLY HARD/DILIGENT WORK HABITS
--MATURITY, PSYCH/EMOTIONAL HEALTH VS RAD INSECURITY

And I'd set up a secret panel to research and select leaders--either directly for the positions or to run as candidates before the  people--based primarily on the above factors plus skills needed for their particular slated leadership roles.

The political leaders would hold office for 6-12 years. NO ONE would hold office longer. Perhaps the statute length of service time would be 8-10 years. And if and when some leader clearly rose head and shoulders above average--the populace could vote for them to serve an additional 2 years or so.

But there would be NO 20-40 years of career politicos. And there would be no revolving door/lobbying/corporate etc. influence peddling circular cycle in and out of government getting personally richer all the time.

Any politico accused and found to be violating the priorities listed with  HUMILITY above would be immediately (upon QUICK research and due process) terminated from their leadership and their income therefrom. They would be quickly escorted from the buildings and prevented from ever holding any political leadership role ever again--even that of 'dog catcher,' so to speak.

Further, that key parts of the federal laws would change every 15-20 years. Otherwise--particularly  with regard to taxes etc., people learn to manipulate, rig, abuse the system. Change major chunks enough and often enough that abusing the law for personal gain would be very difficult.

etc. etc. etc.


Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 23, 2017, 09:12:01 am
@Quix
You said, "THE BIBLE ITSELF declares emphatically that this era will be worse than ever before in earth's history and worse than ever will be again in the future. GOD said that."

Yes it does, there will be earthquakes as never before and stars will fall from the sky, and man will kill each other as never before, and it says Christ will return so the whole world will not perish.  And, it says nothing about reptiles.

I have considered this year, 2017.  We had hurricanes more violent than ever before in Texas and Florida and the Florida Keys and Puerto Rico.  A violent earthquake in Mexico in that same time period. Raging fires not known before in California.  It seems to me every natural disaster that happens now is worse than ever before.  I do think we are in the end days.


Yeah. I'm very glad we share that much in our perspectives on such things.

Of course, the unknowns are . . . how fast will the script play out; how fast will the speed of play out accelerate over what time frame. LOL.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 23, 2017, 06:25:54 pm

Comments below in bold teal.

@Quix
Quix, when you post a thread, you are inviting people to respond and they, including me, may not agree with some of your positions.  If you don’t want to support your conclusions, as you say, “I have spent probably 30-40 years of the 55 years I've studied such topics trying to offer the best reasons and arguments for my perspectives as I could.  In recent years, I've come to the conviction that I not only need to move on, I have moved on from needing to do that for much of any reason. It's become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time compared to other priorities”, then don’t post a thread.

THANKS for your kind reply. I understand your reasoning. It's just not my  perspective.

I'm mostly done with, weary of, tired of tediously trying to support a lot of historical stuff--particularly when it has little chance of influencing the questioner anyway. It makes more sense to me to put my energy toward the parts that I don't yet know enough about. It makes more sense to me to try and sort out with bright, thoughtful, articulate folks the things  I still have curiosities, questions about. I want a co-speculator sounding board, I guess.




 Since you are the master of your posting, I suppose you could remove any disagreement someone posted, thus leaving your original post as the only writing on the thread unless a person agreed with all you post.

I think you know me well enough to know that's not my style or preference. Besides, that wouldn't be very meaningful; wouldn't achieve a lot very useful; wouldn't be iron-sharpening-iron etc.

You want responses, but only responses that agree with you so you “move on...” as “it has become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time…”?

I think you know me better than that. I learn most from folks who disagree with me.

It is no longer useful or interesting to me to rehash for the 3,000th time historic stuff that I'm confident of my conclusions on to such a degree--that I'm very skeptical that almost anyone I'm discussing those things with would be likely to add anything new and meaningful.

I want to move on and discuss things that I'm still quite tentative and speculative about.


  You said, “So far, we seem to have spent a fair amount of time with me trying somewhat to document why I believe as I do. I can understand that. It would be easier if we could pretend that a given set of assumptions were true and go from there.”  If I cannot agree to your set of assumptions, and tell you why, if would be folly for me to falsely agree with you so we can “go from there”.

I understand your stance, I think. That's disappointing but understandable.

My stance is somewhat like . . .

Dear Precious Colleague, here we have this extremely complex machine that was found deep in a salt mine in the midwest. We know a fair amount about what the machine can do. We know it can do these 12 things. But what I want to spend our time about is not where the machine comes from; not who made the machine; and not a great deal even about proving its capabilities.

I'd rather start with this list of proven capabilities--which I'd ask you to temporarily accept on faith for now--and let's move on and talk about the IMPLICATIONS of this machine's THEREFORE THEN, LIKELY impacts on our society.

We both agree the end times are coming, as said in the Bible.  That is the bed rock of what I believe.  I think it is near, as upon us at this time.  I used natural occurrences being worse than ever before, to reach this conclusion, plus human wickedness worse than ever before.  It does not take aliens from outer space, reptile people, and an alien city or alien air base under the south pole to bring this about.  Human nature without God is bringing this about.

That's probably a reasonable assertion. Though I think we can say that God set the whole object lesson of earth, Adam and Eve, etc. etc. demonstrating to all Creation that even the best culture and form of government in all of history--apart from God--would still descend into evil, manipulated by the Dark Lord. That the only LIFE and source of life MUST occur in an eternal dance with God our Father, Yehovah.

Isee this as simple as the Bible/Jesus says, you seem to need outer space aliens and reptile people, New World Order people, cities under the ice, to bring this about.  I will stay with simple rather than concoct illusions.

I'm surprised you seem to misunderstand me on that score.

I don't NEED any such set of things. I 'need' to discuss the plausible possibilities, the probabilities and the  highly likely truth.

The critters etc. all AROSE, FOR ME, STRICTLY OUT OF THE DATA. So, I feel compelled to deal with the data--the facts as they appear at this point in time--FROM THE DATA.

I understand that your inclinations, preferences, stance is MUCH MORE grounded strictly in tangible super proven 'realities.'


With this said, I don’t doubt there are unidentified flying objects (UFOs).  My position is they are real, but they don’t direct the end days – it is human behavior against God that brings this about.
Yes, the government allowed this latest UFO film to be released and there may be more coming as some believe. 

I can go much of that distance with you--to the point that I agree that sinful deeds and nature of mankind results in consequences from God.

Nevertheless, the script of the end times was written by God millennia ago.

UFO little people are not going to take over the world.  It is imagination that is running wild about who is in these UFOs and imagination that says their plan is to destroy the world. 

I think that's a bit of a big set of assumptions.

1. God declares in Scripture that the oligarchy including with satan incarnate with his fallen angels WILL BE in overt control of all nations for 3.5-7 years. That's a Biblical fact.

2. No, it is NOT sourced merely in such folks' imaginations. It is sourced in EXTENSIVE reviews of a huge amount of data, puzzle pieces, written and other records from many centuries ago to and through the present.

3. The globalists stated at least 100-200 years ago exactly what their goals were and what they would do to get there. I've often posted links to such quotes in their own words. Their plans are exactly consistent with what the Bible says will be true of the evil global government of the end times.

4. THOSE GOALS AND STRATEGIES are emphatically consistent with tons of puzzle pieces from and about the critters--their doings (such that Dr Jacques Vallee asserts they are serving as a CONTROL FUNCTION over our culture and planet. His PhD and related experiences entitle him to speak of that as one of the world's top experts on CONTROL functions.) Actually a significant amount of evidence suggests that the critters have BEEN in control of the oligarchy for quite some time, already.

5. Their goals regarding trashing humanity are also consistent with the Biblical record AS WELL AS extensive puzzle pieces derived from the data from a large number of diverse sources. This aspect is a heavily conflicted topic whereon UFO experts differ widely. I'm comfortable with my conclusions, however--very confident about them.

6. I do not know anyone asserting that they are going to 'destroy the world.' The Biblical record is clear that's not going to be allowed. They may well try--that would be consistent with their boss's values and vengeance--but God won't let them succeed.

When I have a bit of time, I will post Jesus’ words explaining/describing the coming of the end.  He is not on YouTube.

THAT, essentially, has to come from Matthew 24.


  Matthew 24New Living Translation (NLT) Jesus Speaks about the Future24 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. 2 But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
3 Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world {as we have known it}?a]">[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23934a)]”
4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8 But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.
9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.b]">[b (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23940b)] 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nationsc]">[c (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23945c)] {some experts say language groups; tribal groups; people groups} will hear it; and then the end will come.
15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecrationd]">[d (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23946d)] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) 16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. 18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. 20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! 27 For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Mane]">[e (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23958e)] comes. 28 Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.f]">[f (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23959f)]
29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,the sun will be darkened,
    the moon will give no light,
the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.g]">[g (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23960g)] 30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.h]">[h (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23961h)] 31 {Most of the scholars I respect consider that to be the 2nd coming of Christ coming to rule from Jerusalem after Armageddon--NOT the coming as a thief in the night coming at The Rapture.And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the worldi]">[i (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23962i)]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.
32 “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you {who see these events begin will as a group, cohort, will still be alive--at least some representives of the group--when the final events occur} see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generationj]">[j (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23965j)] {which sees such things begin} will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.k]">[k (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23967k)] Only the Father knows. {That does NOT say we won't know the season or year or even month or week.}

37 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. 38 In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. 39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.
42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. 43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. 44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. 46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, 51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  Footnotes:  New Living Translation (https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-Living-Translation-NLT-Bible/) (NLT) Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright © 1996, 2004, 2007, 2013, 2015 by Tyndale House Foundation. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers  Inc. (http://www.tyndale.com), Carol Stream, Illinois 60188. All rights reserved.
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You said, “I have wondered HOW different God's timeline on the beginning of the horrific period was compared to satan's. I have always assumed satan wanted to rush such things but that God would hold him back to whatever unknown degree.”  The Bible says the end times will come ONLY after the Word is known to all.  I can look up that scripture.  With missionaries and travel possible to all parts of the world, plus TV, the internet allowing information across the world, we are likely at this point.  The Word is available to all now.

Uhhhh. Evidently not. Else the Rapture would likely have already taken place. ALL language groups do not quite yet have the Scripture in their language. There is a group in Albuquerque who is working to complete that task ASAP. They are translating the Bible into each remaining people group's language and putting the oral Scriptures on an MP3 player that is both solar and wind-up and designed to last many years.

They seek out "THE MAN OF PEACE" in the tribe and make an agreement with  him to play 30 minutes of the Scriptures and then have 30 minutes of discussion per week. That's all. That's it. Many Acts 2 type churches have spontaneously sprung up from their efforts. I think the keywords to search is PROCLAIMER and Albuquerque translation outreach.

“Mark Taylor agrees that our prayers make lots of differences in events and in enlisting God's aid etc. He also asserts that while WW3 may well be likely--he doesn't think it will be any time soon.”  I believe, with Trump in office, WWIII will happen and not in the distant future.

I still think you are wrong about Trump. Shrillery in office would likely have already had us in war as she openly asserted she WOULD ATTACK IRAN. Her rage-aholic nature is far scarier than any of Trump's flaws by several orders of magnitude, imho.

In any case, we will find out in due course how soon WW3 begins. North Korea is not a comforting anything.

“So, I'm in the process of trying to integrate, accommodate the information he offers with my prior perspectives, conclusions, assumptions, conjectures and expectations re the end times. That's necessitating some significant changes. I think they will be good changes--though surprising-to-me changes.”  See, you cannot be concrete in your thinking – you have to adjust; therefore, your writing will adjust.

I disagree. I can be quite concrete in my thinking. Perhaps not to your criteria in all respects. However, most folks who know me think I'm a very concrete thinker.

Adjusting gets back to George Kelly's role construct theory:

ONE PROGRAM on the net where one can fill out one's own grid and get the resulting cluster chart/map

https://www.psyctc.org/grids/ingrid1.html (https://www.psyctc.org/grids/ingrid1.html)

http://www.lis.ntu.edu.tw/cisap2010/Abstracts_files/ds08.pdf (http://www.lis.ntu.edu.tw/cisap2010/Abstracts_files/ds08.pdf)

https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/12/the-repertory-grid-eliciting-user-experience-comparisons-in-the-customers-voice.php (https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/12/the-repertory-grid-eliciting-user-experience-comparisons-in-the-customers-voice.php)

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/showciting?cid=575866 (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/showciting?cid=575866)

I can't find the best such online program but the top link is likely close to it.

You asserted that I have to adjust . . .

Actually, we all do. If we don't our construct system is tooooo rigid, narrow, brittle to have optimum predicitve usefulness. Our construct grids do best at the mind-point between adjusting too often, too easily on the basis of too little information vs rarely to never regardless of any evidence.

The grid is the MOST valid and the MOST reliable instrument available per a massive research study of my Dissertation chairman's. It out performed all others including the MMPI and all other well known instruments.

It is very sensitive to SIGNIFICANT events in the person's life--which might be 'merely' mental events. Yet, it is reliable, consistent over time with the individual's true construct system with which they perceive, interpret and predict events in their daily life.



 You are adjusting according to what a human says. 

Yes & no--TO THE DEGREE that The Lord, events, puzzle pieces more or less clearly affirm sufficient reason to make such an adjustment, yes. Then adjust. But not for shallow reasons or  based on poor evidence.

Any human writing must be compared to the Bible in these matters.  Jesus says others will come pretending to be Him and not to believe these people.  There will be false information people will believe.  If it is not Biblical, I’m not believing it.

CERTAINLY THE BIBLE IS THE STANDARD OF TRUTH AND IF THINGS DON'T LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE, SOMETHING IS DREADFULLY WRONG.

Nevertheless, there's tons of stuff the Bible does not clearly speak to much at all,  if at all.

= = = = different topic = = = thought experiment about forming a different social, governmental structure.

“And I'd set up a secret panel to research and select leaders--either directly for the positions or to run as candidates before the people--based primarily on the above factors plus skills needed for their particular slated leadership roles.”

Here is a truism – two people can agree; three people will divide into two against the other one – the more people the more disagreement Your secret panel will choose people according to their wants for themselves – that is human nature.  Your secret panel will be corrupt.
Your friend to the end.

I think the design of my suggestions took human flaws greatly into account and sought to minimize their impacts. I'm surprised you didn't note that.

Thanks for your meaty and kind responses.

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 23, 2017, 06:52:07 pm
@Quix

I am right now reading The AZTEC, UFO Incident.  Am on page 23.  Wish I could just sit here and read the whole thing before stopping, but have to go to church about 4 pm.  Will get back home around 7:30 pm as we eat somewhere after church.  Will start again then.  Maybe will send you emails as I read it.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 23, 2017, 07:31:06 pm
@Quix

I am right now reading The AZTEC, UFO Incident.  Am on page 23.  Wish I could just sit here and read the whole thing before stopping, but have to go to church about 4 pm.  Will get back home around 7:30 pm as we eat somewhere after church.  Will start again then.  Maybe will send you emails as I read it.

Yea.

imho, the book is tediously slow the first 2/3 or so. They are  so exhaustively thorough in their research over such a long time, they really take their time and tons of detail in  ferreting out every little puzzle piece that even MIGHT bear on the conclusions. I think you'll respect their attention to detail as well as their conclusions.

Happy church and day.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 23, 2017, 09:00:53 pm
@Victoria33

Sorry. I clicked on quote . . . IIRC. but somehow seem to have gotten into the mod's screen to modify. Don't have the energy to redo it.

Comments below in bold teal.

@Quix
Quix, when you post a thread, you are inviting people to respond and they, including me, may not agree with some of your positions.  If you don’t want to support your conclusions, as you say, “I have spent probably 30-40 years of the 55 years I've studied such topics trying to offer the best reasons and arguments for my perspectives as I could.  In recent years, I've come to the conviction that I not only need to move on, I have moved on from needing to do that for much of any reason. It's become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time compared to other priorities”, then don’t post a thread.

THANKS for your kind reply. I understand your reasoning. It's just not my  perspective.

I'm mostly done with, weary of, tired of tediously trying to support a lot of historical stuff--particularly when it has little chance of influencing the questioner anyway. It makes more sense to me to put my energy toward the parts that I don't yet know enough about. It makes more sense to me to try and sort out with bright, thoughtful, articulate folks the things  I still have curiosities, questions about. I want a co-speculator sounding board, I guess.




 Since you are the master of your posting, I suppose you could remove any disagreement someone posted, thus leaving your original post as the only writing on the thread unless a person agreed with all you post.

I think you know me well enough to know that's not my style or preference. Besides, that wouldn't be very meaningful; wouldn't achieve a lot very useful; wouldn't be iron-sharpening-iron etc.

You want responses, but only responses that agree with you so you “move on...” as “it has become too tedious and too boring and too much a waste of time…”?

I think you know me better than that. I learn most from folks who disagree with me.

It is no longer useful or interesting to me to rehash for the 3,000th time historic stuff that I'm confident of my conclusions on to such a degree--that I'm very skeptical that almost anyone I'm discussing those things with would be likely to add anything new and meaningful.

I want to move on and discuss things that I'm still quite tentative and speculative about.


  You said, “So far, we seem to have spent a fair amount of time with me trying somewhat to document why I believe as I do. I can understand that. It would be easier if we could pretend that a given set of assumptions were true and go from there.”  If I cannot agree to your set of assumptions, and tell you why, if would be folly for me to falsely agree with you so we can “go from there”.

I understand your stance, I think. That's disappointing but understandable.

My stance is somewhat like . . .

Dear Precious Colleague, here we have this extremely complex machine that was found deep in a salt mine in the midwest. We know a fair amount about what the machine can do. We know it can do these 12 things. But what I want to spend our time about is not where the machine comes from; not who made the machine; and not a great deal even about proving its capabilities.

I'd rather start with this list of proven capabilities--which I'd ask you to temporarily accept on faith for now--and let's move on and talk about the IMPLICATIONS of this machine's THEREFORE THEN, LIKELY impacts on our society.

We both agree the end times are coming, as said in the Bible.  That is the bed rock of what I believe.  I think it is near, as upon us at this time.  I used natural occurrences being worse than ever before, to reach this conclusion, plus human wickedness worse than ever before.  It does not take aliens from outer space, reptile people, and an alien city or alien air base under the south pole to bring this about.  Human nature without God is bringing this about.

That's probably a reasonable assertion. Though I think we can say that God set the whole object lesson of earth, Adam and Eve, etc. etc. demonstrating to all Creation that even the best culture and form of government in all of history--apart from God--would still descend into evil, manipulated by the Dark Lord. That the only LIFE and source of life MUST occur in an eternal dance with God our Father, Yehovah.

Isee this as simple as the Bible/Jesus says, you seem to need outer space aliens and reptile people, New World Order people, cities under the ice, to bring this about.  I will stay with simple rather than concoct illusions.

I'm surprised you seem to misunderstand me on that score.

I don't NEED any such set of things. I 'need' to discuss the plausible possibilities, the probabilities and the  highly likely truth.

The critters etc. all AROSE, FOR ME, STRICTLY OUT OF THE DATA. So, I feel compelled to deal with the data--the facts as they appear at this point in time--FROM THE DATA.

I understand that your inclinations, preferences, stance is MUCH MORE grounded strictly in tangible super proven 'realities.'


With this said, I don’t doubt there are unidentified flying objects (UFOs).  My position is they are real, but they don’t direct the end days – it is human behavior against God that brings this about.
Yes, the government allowed this latest UFO film to be released and there may be more coming as some believe. 

I can go much of that distance with you--to the point that I agree that sinful deeds and nature of mankind results in consequences from God.

Nevertheless, the script of the end times was written by God millennia ago.

UFO little people are not going to take over the world.  It is imagination that is running wild about who is in these UFOs and imagination that says their plan is to destroy the world. 

I think that's a bit of a big set of assumptions.

1. God declares in Scripture that the oligarchy including with satan incarnate with his fallen angels WILL BE in overt control of all nations for 3.5-7 years. That's a Biblical fact.

2. No, it is NOT sourced merely in such folks' imaginations. It is sourced in EXTENSIVE reviews of a huge amount of data, puzzle pieces, written and other records from many centuries ago to and through the present.

3. The globalists stated at least 100-200 years ago exactly what their goals were and what they would do to get there. I've often posted links to such quotes in their own words. Their plans are exactly consistent with what the Bible says will be true of the evil global government of the end times.

4. THOSE GOALS AND STRATEGIES are emphatically consistent with tons of puzzle pieces from and about the critters--their doings (such that Dr Jacques Vallee asserts they are serving as a CONTROL FUNCTION over our culture and planet. His PhD and related experiences entitle him to speak of that as one of the world's top experts on CONTROL functions.) Actually a significant amount of evidence suggests that the critters have BEEN in control of the oligarchy for quite some time, already.

5. Their goals regarding trashing humanity are also consistent with the Biblical record AS WELL AS extensive puzzle pieces derived from the data from a large number of diverse sources. This aspect is a heavily conflicted topic whereon UFO experts differ widely. I'm comfortable with my conclusions, however--very confident about them.

6. I do not know anyone asserting that they are going to 'destroy the world.' The Biblical record is clear that's not going to be allowed. They may well try--that would be consistent with their boss's values and vengeance--but God won't let them succeed.

When I have a bit of time, I will post Jesus’ words explaining/describing the coming of the end.  He is not on YouTube.

THAT, essentially, has to come from Matthew 24.


  Matthew 24New Living Translation (NLT) Jesus Speaks about the Future24 As Jesus was leaving the Temple grounds, his disciples pointed out to him the various Temple buildings. 2 But he responded, “Do you see all these buildings? I tell you the truth, they will be completely demolished. Not one stone will be left on top of another!”
3 Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will all this happen? What sign will signal your return and the end of the world {as we have known it}?a]">[a (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23934a)]”
4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. 7 Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. 8 But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.
9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers.b]">[b (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23940b)] 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nationsc]">[c (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23945c)] {some experts say language groups; tribal groups; people groups} will hear it; and then the end will come.
15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecrationd]">[d (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23946d)] standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) 16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. 18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. 20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.
23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.
26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! 27 For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Mane]">[e (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23958e)] comes. 28 Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.f]">[f (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23959f)]
29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days,the sun will be darkened,
    the moon will give no light,
the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.g]">[g (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23960g)] 30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.h]">[h (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23961h)] 31 {Most of the scholars I respect consider that to be the 2nd coming of Christ coming to rule from Jerusalem after Armageddon--NOT the coming as a thief in the night coming at The Rapture.And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the worldi]">[i (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23962i)]—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.
32 “Now learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branches bud and its leaves begin to sprout, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you {who see these events begin will as a group, cohort, will still be alive--at least some representives of the group--when the final events occur} see all these things, you can know his return is very near, right at the door. 34 I tell you the truth, this generationj]">[j (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23965j)] {which sees such things begin} will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will never disappear.
36 “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself.k]">[k (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#fen-NLT-23967k)] Only the Father knows. {That does NOT say we won't know the season or year or even month or week.}

37 “When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. 38 In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. 39 People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.
42 “So you, too, must keep watch! For you don’t know what day your Lord is coming. 43 Understand this: If a homeowner knew exactly when a burglar was coming, he would keep watch and not permit his house to be broken into. 44 You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
45 “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. 46 If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job, there will be a reward. 47 I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. 48 But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ 49 and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? 50 The master will return unannounced and unexpected, 51 and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  Footnotes:
  • 24:3 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23934) Or the age?
  • 24:9 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23940) Greek on account of my name.
  • 24:14 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23945) Or all peoples.
  • 24:15 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23946) Greek the abomination of desolation. See Dan 9:27 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan.9.27&version=NLT); 11:31 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan.11.31&version=NLT); 12:11 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan.12.11&version=NLT).
  • 24:27 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23958) “Son of Man” is a title Jesus used for himself.
  • 24:28 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23959) Greek Wherever the carcass is, the vultures gather.
  • 24:29 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23960) See Isa 13:10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.13.10&version=NLT); 34:4 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.34.4&version=NLT); Joel 2:10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel.2.10&version=NLT).
  • 24:30 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23961) See Dan 7:13 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan.7.13&version=NLT).
  • 24:31 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23962) Greek from the four winds.
  • 24:34 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23965) Or this age, or this nation.
  • 24:36 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=MATTHEW+24&version=NLT#en-NLT-23967) Some manuscripts do not include or the Son himself.
  New Living Translation (https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-Living-Translation-NLT-Bible/) (NLT) Holy Bible, New Living Translation, copyright © 1996, 2004, 2007, 2013, 2015 by Tyndale House Foundation. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers  Inc. (http://www.tyndale.com), Carol Stream, Illinois 60188. All rights reserved.
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You said, “I have wondered HOW different God's timeline on the beginning of the horrific period was compared to satan's. I have always assumed satan wanted to rush such things but that God would hold him back to whatever unknown degree.”  The Bible says the end times will come ONLY after the Word is known to all.  I can look up that scripture.  With missionaries and travel possible to all parts of the world, plus TV, the internet allowing information across the world, we are likely at this point.  The Word is available to all now.

Uhhhh. Evidently not. Else the Rapture would likely have already taken place. ALL language groups do not quite yet have the Scripture in their language. There is a group in Albuquerque who is working to complete that task ASAP. They are translating the Bible into each remaining people group's language and putting the oral Scriptures on an MP3 player that is both solar and wind-up and designed to last many years.

They seek out "THE MAN OF PEACE" in the tribe and make an agreement with  him to play 30 minutes of the Scriptures and then have 30 minutes of discussion per week. That's all. That's it. Many Acts 2 type churches have spontaneously sprung up from their efforts. I think the keywords to search is PROCLAIMER and Albuquerque translation outreach.

“Mark Taylor agrees that our prayers make lots of differences in events and in enlisting God's aid etc. He also asserts that while WW3 may well be likely--he doesn't think it will be any time soon.”  I believe, with Trump in office, WWIII will happen and not in the distant future.

I still think you are wrong about Trump. Shrillery in office would likely have already had us in war as she openly asserted she WOULD ATTACK IRAN. Her rage-aholic nature is far scarier than any of Trump's flaws by several orders of magnitude, imho.

In any case, we will find out in due course how soon WW3 begins. North Korea is not a comforting anything.

“So, I'm in the process of trying to integrate, accommodate the information he offers with my prior perspectives, conclusions, assumptions, conjectures and expectations re the end times. That's necessitating some significant changes. I think they will be good changes--though surprising-to-me changes.”  See, you cannot be concrete in your thinking – you have to adjust; therefore, your writing will adjust.

I disagree. I can be quite concrete in my thinking. Perhaps not to your criteria in all respects. However, most folks who know me think I'm a very concrete thinker.

Adjusting gets back to George Kelly's role construct theory:

ONE PROGRAM on the net where one can fill out one's own grid and get the resulting cluster chart/map

https://www.psyctc.org/grids/ingrid1.html (https://www.psyctc.org/grids/ingrid1.html)

http://www.lis.ntu.edu.tw/cisap2010/Abstracts_files/ds08.pdf (http://www.lis.ntu.edu.tw/cisap2010/Abstracts_files/ds08.pdf)

https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/12/the-repertory-grid-eliciting-user-experience-comparisons-in-the-customers-voice.php (https://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/12/the-repertory-grid-eliciting-user-experience-comparisons-in-the-customers-voice.php)

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/showciting?cid=575866 (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/showciting?cid=575866)

I can't find the best such online program but the top link is likely close to it.

You asserted that I have to adjust . . .

Actually, we all do. If we don't our construct system is tooooo rigid, narrow, brittle to have optimum predicitve usefulness. Our construct grids do best at the mind-point between adjusting too often, too easily on the basis of too little information vs rarely to never regardless of any evidence.

The grid is the MOST valid and the MOST reliable instrument available per a massive research study of my Dissertation chairman's. It out performed all others including the MMPI and all other well known instruments.

It is very sensitive to SIGNIFICANT events in the person's life--which might be 'merely' mental events. Yet, it is reliable, consistent over time with the individual's true construct system with which they perceive, interpret and predict events in their daily life.



 You are adjusting according to what a human says. 

Yes & no--TO THE DEGREE that The Lord, events, puzzle pieces more or less clearly affirm sufficient reason to make such an adjustment, yes. Then adjust. But not for shallow reasons or  based on poor evidence.

Any human writing must be compared to the Bible in these matters.  Jesus says others will come pretending to be Him and not to believe these people.  There will be false information people will believe.  If it is not Biblical, I’m not believing it.

CERTAINLY THE BIBLE IS THE STANDARD OF TRUTH AND IF THINGS DON'T LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE, SOMETHING IS DREADFULLY WRONG.

Nevertheless, there's tons of stuff the Bible does not clearly speak to much at all,  if at all.

= = = = different topic = = = thought experiment about forming a different social, governmental structure.

“And I'd set up a secret panel to research and select leaders--either directly for the positions or to run as candidates before the people--based primarily on the above factors plus skills needed for their particular slated leadership roles.”

Here is a truism – two people can agree; three people will divide into two against the other one – the more people the more disagreement Your secret panel will choose people according to their wants for themselves – that is human nature.  Your secret panel will be corrupt.
Your friend to the end.

I think the design of my suggestions took human flaws greatly into account and sought to minimize their impacts. I'm surprised you didn't note that.

Thanks for your meaty and kind responses.


Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: RoosGirl on December 23, 2017, 11:34:05 pm
@Quix
You said, "THE BIBLE ITSELF declares emphatically that this era will be worse than ever before in earth's history and worse than ever will be again in the future. GOD said that."

Yes it does, there will be earthquakes as never before and stars will fall from the sky, and man will kill each other as never before, and it says Christ will return so the whole world will not perish.  And, it says nothing about reptiles.

I have considered this year, 2017.  We had hurricanes more violent than ever before in Texas and Florida and the Florida Keys and Puerto Rico.  A violent earthquake in Mexico in that same time period. Raging fires not known before in California.  It seems to me every natural disaster that happens now is worse than ever before.  I do think we are in the end days.

I've been following the conversation some.  I'm not going to comment on anything else, but hurricanes more violent than ever before?  Not at all.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 24, 2017, 02:58:16 am
@Quix

"3. The globalists stated at least 100-200 years ago exactly what their goals were and what they would do to get there. I've often posted links to such quotes in their own words. Their plans are exactly consistent with what the Bible says will be true of the evil global government of the end times."

"4. THOSE GOALS AND STRATEGIES are emphatically consistent with tons of puzzle pieces from and about the critters--their doings (such that Dr Jacques Vallee asserts they are serving as a CONTROL FUNCTION over our culture and planet. His PhD and related experiences entitle him to speak of that as one of the world's top experts on CONTROL functions.) Actually a significant amount of evidence suggests that the critters have BEEN in control of the oligarchy for quite some time, already."

Names of globalists:

Names of critters:

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 24, 2017, 03:13:50 am
I've been following the conversation some.  I'm not going to comment on anything else, but hurricanes more violent than ever before?  Not at all.
@RoosGirl

There has never been a Texas hurricane as bad as Harvey cover half of Texas from central to the coast and east and west - many hundreds of miles, never in its recorded history.  It will take many years to recover from that and it will never be the same as it was due to the massive destruction. I have 84 yrs. of experience in this state and it hasn't happened like this in my lifetime, nor before my lifetime - not like this.

"In total, between 24 trillion and 34 trillion gallons of water fell on the Gulf Coast during Harvey, equivalent to the amount of water melted off the West Antarctic Ice Shelf in a single year. According to Adrian Borsa, a geophysicist with The Scripps Research Institute, that's enough to push down the crust of the earth itself by over half an inch in some areas."

Puerto Rico is smashed to bits.  Two hurricanes, one following the other and smashing Puerto Rico has destroyed it.  It has never been destroyed like this in my lifetime.  It may never recover at all.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: RoosGirl on December 24, 2017, 03:23:18 am
@RoosGirl

There has never been a Texas hurricane as bad as Harvey cover half of Texas from central to the coast and east and west - many hundreds of miles, never in its recorded history.  It will take many years to recover from that and it will never be the same as it was due to the massive destruction. I have 84 yrs. of experience in this state and it hasn't happened like this in my lifetime, nor before my lifetime - not like this.

"In total, between 24 trillion and 34 trillion gallons of water fell on the Gulf Coast during Harvey, equivalent to the amount of water melted off the West Antarctic Ice Shelf in a single year. According to Adrian Borsa, a geophysicist with The Scripps Research Institute, that's enough to push down the crust of the earth itself by over half an inch in some areas."

Puerto Rico is smashed to bits.  Two hurricanes, one following the other and smashing Puerto Rico has destroyed it.  It has never been destroyed like this in my lifetime.  It may never recover at all.

Yes, but even at 84 years old, you are but a blip in time.  Certainly Florida has been hit harder than we were this year, even within my lifetime.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 24, 2017, 04:29:16 pm
Yes, but even at 84 years old, you are but a blip in time.  Certainly Florida has been hit harder than we were this year, even within my lifetime.
@RoosGirl

Harvey has been designated, not by me but specialists in hurricanes, the worst in the history of Texas as long as records have been kept, and that is true also in Puerto Rico.

I agree with you that Florida hurricane was not the worst in Florida.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 25, 2017, 05:35:44 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE)

Tom Delonge and Pentagon Secret UFO Program- Disclosure Day 3, cover up Unravels?

It's a good video with some additional details.
Ron Pandolfi notes that Trump is very pro disclosure and anti-disinformation.

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 25, 2017, 06:17:15 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOjOsVGPjE)
Tom Delonge and Pentagon Secret UFO Program- Disclosure Day 3, cover up Unravels?
It's a good video with some additional details. Ron Pandolfi notes that Trump is very pro disclosure and anti-disinformation.

@Quix

I'll be back on this thread tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 25, 2017, 07:39:32 pm
@Quix

I'll be back on this thread tomorrow.

Was going to call and see how y'all were doing.

Was going to Furr's but think I'll just stay home. Don't care to stand in the long line.

May even eat some frozen Marie Calendar's turkey and dressing dinner with my teeth. Wheee.

Anyway--God's best to you two this CHRISTmas day and New Year.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 26, 2017, 03:46:39 am
@Quix

I'm finally over the bad cold/flu that is going around.  I think you said you were having chest congestion problems.  A number of our friends now have this bad illness.  It is all over the country.  One friend's doctor said the flu shot didn't stop this disease and after you think you are over it, it mutates and hits you again which is why it takes five or six weeks to get over it.  It seems every person who gets it has complete laryngitis just as I had.  My voice is back so I can yell at Bob now.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 26, 2017, 05:33:29 am
@Quix

I'm finally over the bad cold/flu that is going around.  I think you said you were having chest congestion problems.  A number of our friends now have this bad illness.  It is all over the country.  One friend's doctor said the flu shot didn't stop this disease and after you think you are over it, it mutates and hits you again which is why it takes five or six weeks to get over it.  It seems every person who gets it has complete laryngitis just as I had.  My voice is back so I can yell at Bob now.

BBBBBBBUUUUTTTT BOB is toooo sweet to yell at! LOL.

I may be back to normal by Wed or Thurs. Will see. I do better to resist it completely when I can and am not sloppy in staying up on all the needful supplements. Sigh.

At least I'm coughing stuff up, now.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: roamer_1 on December 26, 2017, 06:15:50 am
And, it [The Bible] says nothing about reptiles.

@Victoria33
While I do not rise to defend the aspect of 'reptilians' per se, what you have said above is definitively untrue.
The 'nacash' in the garden was not a snake, as so figuratively imagined in modern Christianity, but rather a serpent - more a dragon or saurian creature than a reptile, but one we know little about, beyond that description. Seraphs (Seraphim angels) again, are described as dragons or dragon like. Old Nick himself (apropos for the season) is said to be a dragon. As a matter of fact, all things profane fit within the jurisdiction of the serpent.

Hence, within the aspect of Genesis 6 hybridism, A seraphic nephilim hybrid being 'reptilian', or rather, dragon-like is hardly a concept beyond the pale. And the extension of that into Rephaim (the dead, demons), those that the profane are trying to resurrect, is hardly a stretch.

And lastly, the Bible itself declares a nephilim presence after the flood in the land of Canaan, in the bloodline of Anak and the Amorites, and among others - Those defeated by Joshua in the conquest of Canaan - Those demanded to be utterly annihilated by the Father. So your statement up thread that all such perished in the flood and belong only to the antediluvian age is provably false in Biblical terms. And the prophets declare them in the end as well, if one can get beyond the misnomer of 'giants' and 'nephilim' as is so often specifically compared. That which is released back into this world in the end are not only giants.


Again, I raise the issue as a point of order rather than as any general support of the specific 'reptilian' subject... I do not wish to be that specific.
@Quix
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: roamer_1 on December 26, 2017, 06:22:39 am
The world’s early philosophers, which means they searched for wisdom to understand the world, how it worked and how/why people acted as they did in the world, were Heraclitus, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.  I have their works, their own words, except Heraclitus, plus I have the works of St. Thomas Aquinas, born 1225 AD.

"Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophers
The “love for wisdom” (English translation of the Greek word philosophia) dates back to the ancient times in both the East and West. Although the fundamental questions of philosophy have been dealt with very early, the history of the Western philosophy begins with the ancient Greek philosophers in Asia Minor in the 6th century BC. Thales of Miletus who is regarded as the first ancient Greek philosopher had profoundly influenced other Greek thinkers, encouraging them to search for the answers in nature. The next centuries saw the rise of philosophical schools throughout Greece and emergence of some of the greatest thinkers of Western philosophy including Heraclitus 540 BC, Socrates (470 BC), Plato (428 BC) and Aristotle. (384 BC)."

Many of those early philosophers spoke to demons, by their own words. As does modern science.

Be careful who you listen to.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 26, 2017, 12:08:48 pm
@Victoria33
While I do not rise to defend the aspect of 'reptilians' per se, what you have said above is definitively untrue.
The 'nacash' in the garden was not a snake, as so figuratively imagined in modern Christianity, but rather a serpent - more a dragon or saurian creature than a reptile, but one we know little about, beyond that description. Seraphs (Seraphim angels) again, are described as dragons or dragon like. Old Nick himself (apropos for the season) is said to be a dragon. As a matter of fact, all things profane fit within the jurisdiction of the serpent.

Hence, within the aspect of Genesis 6 hybridism, A seraphic nephilim hybrid being 'reptilian', or rather, dragon-like is hardly a concept beyond the pale. And the extension of that into Rephaim (the dead, demons), those that the profane are trying to resurrect, is hardly a stretch.

And lastly, the Bible itself declares a nephilim presence after the flood in the land of Canaan, in the bloodline of Anak and the Amorites, and among others - Those defeated by Joshua in the conquest of Canaan - Those demanded to be utterly annihilated by the Father. So your statement up thread that all such perished in the flood and belong only to the antediluvian age is provably false in Biblical terms. And the prophets declare them in the end as well, if one can get beyond the misnomer of 'giants' and 'nephilim' as is so often specifically compared. That which is released back into this world in the end are not only giants.
Thanks.

Quite so.

I didn't want to get into that at that level. It's more tedious than I enjoy very often these days.

And, @Victoria33 has a copy of EXO-VATICANA--which, IIRC, gets into that plenty thoroughly.

IIRC, Some scholars have asserted that some of those Genesis verses describe sentient reptilian fallen angels and/or hybrids that walk on two feet.

Certainly there are narratives among some people groups of such creatures terrifying and decimating various tribes.

The Biblical picture of Armageddon is also similarly populated with horrific creatures of similar description according to some scholars who have investigated root word meanings, IIRC.

It's just not a subject I find that attractive. I'm much more into warm fuzzy puppies, kittens, lamas,  alpacas, etc.

Nevertheless, we are wise to prepare our hearts and minds to deal with what IS vs what we'd like to be.

Though I'm hoping and praying that the Rapture takes authentic believers out of the scene well before the worst of such times.


Quote
Again, I raise the issue as a point of order rather than as any general support of the specific 'reptilian' subject... I do not wish to be that specific.
@Quix
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 26, 2017, 03:17:17 pm
@roamer_1

"And, it [The Bible] says nothing about reptiles."  You took this sentence out of context.  I was speaking of regular people being reptiles, not that reptiles were not mentioned in the Bible.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Victoria33 on December 26, 2017, 03:28:15 pm
Many of those early philosophers spoke to demons, by their own words. As does modern science.
Be careful who you listen to.
@roamer_1

It's not "be careful who you listen to"; it is one must always use his/her intelligence when reading anything; not be gullible to accept an opinion without research as to the truth of it.  I do that and hopefully you do that.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: roamer_1 on December 26, 2017, 03:31:38 pm
It's just not a subject I find that attractive. I'm much more into warm fuzzy puppies, kittens, lamas,  alpacas, etc.
Nevertheless, we are wise to prepare our hearts and minds to deal with what IS vs what we'd like to be.


It amazes me brother @Quix , that while you come more from tech, ufo, new age research, and I come more from occult research, and ancient history, that the two perspectives are so often overlapping, and obviously coming to a nexus point not too distant from today.

Peace, and thanks for the OP.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 26, 2017, 07:29:56 pm
It amazes me brother @Quix , that while you come more from tech, ufo, new age research, and I come more from occult research, and ancient history, that the two perspectives are so often overlapping, and obviously coming to a nexus point not too distant from today.

Peace, and thanks for the OP.


Agreed. Amen. Thanks.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: roamer_1 on December 27, 2017, 01:45:28 am
@roamer_1

It's not "be careful who you listen to"; it is one must always use his/her intelligence when reading anything; not be gullible to accept an opinion without research as to the truth of it.  I do that and hopefully you do that.

LOL! hoomin intellect, including my own, is vastly overrated.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 27, 2017, 02:21:22 am
LOL! hoomin intellect, including my own, is vastly overrated.

That's  for certain.

Alas, some folks never seem to come to the end of themselves re their intellect.

When a brilliant genius ends up creating a devastating horrific mess for himself, his marriage and others because he thought he was so clever--it tends to wholesale diminish the high value and status he once placed on his brilliant intellect.

When I told God at the end of that long  dark night of the soul that IF He wanted to wipe my brain down to a bumbling mass of protoplasm to serve as a door stop in a country church, I was OK with that--if it would somehow serve His Kingdom. I meant it.

Thankfully, He didn't take me up on it. But it was a good place of humility and submission for me to be stripped down to.

It is  ONLY by GOD'S GRACE that we breathe, have our being, walk up right, stand, sit, lie down, swalow, see, hear, touch, etc. . . . ONLY HIS GRACE.

We like to think it is due to our unique brilliance, or
our unique cleverness, or
our unique diligence and hard work, or

our inherited traits or wealth, or
our cleverness at connections and work politics, or
our 'chance' 'good fortune,' or

our excellent education, training, mentoring, or
our place of birth, or
our healthy bodies, or

our time & era of birth . . . etc.

NOPE. It's ALL GOD'S GRACE!

Those things can all be taken away or neutralized in a flash.

We are but gnats in the hurricane of life in terms of how much influence we have on many or most of the forces around us.

Yes, we have enough free will to succeed or become a homeless alcoholic. But ALL good things come from God--FROM HIS GRACE ALONE!

Every time we survive an intersection where the others obey their red light, it's God's Grace!

Every time we are around other people with a list of diseases without contracting them,  it's God's Grace!

Every time the other person  truly hears what we are saying  in their hearts and their minds, it's God's Grace!

Every time we are hugged from the heart and shoulder to shoulder, it's God's Grace!

Every time our dog treats us like the king of the universe, it's God's Grace!

Every time we happen upon a startlingly wonderous sunset, it's God's Grace!

Every time we hear a baby laugh or a child giggle, it's God's Grace!

Every time we receive an 'atta-boy,' it's God's Grace!

Every time we receive just a scratch or a bruise instead of a broken bone, it's God's Grace!

Every time we do something thoughtless and stupid ourselves driving on the street--with no bad consequences, it's God's Grace!

Every time we grow up a little more and leave petty childish things behind a bit more, it's God's Grace!

Every time we muster the will to avoid that piece of cake, or extra ice cream scoop, it's God's Grace!

Every time some smiles from the heart on seeing us walk up, it's God's Grace!

Every time we make a memorable heart to heart CONNECTION, it's God's Grace!

Every time we have the patience to respond to a child, or an ill, or a troubled, or a crazy person with caring and compassion, it's God's Grace!

Every time we have a chance to wipe someone's nose or butt because they've made a mess of things, it's God's Grace!

Every time we swim 20 laps instead of 15,  it's God's Grace!

Every time we avoid burning the toast or  spilling the milk, it's God's Grace!

Every time we hear the alarm and make it  to  work on time, it's God's Grace!

Every time  our family accepts us warmly back home for the day, it's God's Grace!

Every time Attila The Hun at work keeps  her mouth shut, it's God's Grace!

Every time we avoid acting out our work-a-holic compulsions, it's God's Grace!

Every time a sweet young daughter rubs noses with us, it's God's Grace!

Every time a son looks at us like we are the best dad in the whole world, it's God's Grace!

Every time we gain an insight or see how to solve a problem, it's God's Grace!

Every time we forgive or are forgiven, it's God's Grace!

All. IS GOD'S GRACE!
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: bigheadfred on December 29, 2017, 08:48:22 pm
Hey people.

The release of UFO footage by the Pentagon IS DISCLOSURE. I personally believe the "ETs" are both Demonic and true Servants of God.

Imo, Jesus never left. People left. And they are leaving at an ever-increasing rate. The only thing that I really have interest in now is when that tipping point arrives and the key holder is allowed to use it.

The most important part of God's plan is you. Each of you. How you deal with that is like I said before. You can't save the world. But you can save yourselves.

Peace out.



Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 29, 2017, 10:48:34 pm
Hey people.

The release of UFO footage by the Pentagon IS DISCLOSURE. I personally believe the "ETs" are both Demonic and true Servants of God.

Imo, Jesus never left. People left. And they are leaving at an ever-increasing rate. The only thing that I really have interest in now is when that tipping point arrives and the key holder is allowed to use it.

The most important part of God's plan is you. Each of you. How you deal with that is like I said before. You can't save the world. But you can save yourselves.

Peace out.

Interesting ideas. Thanks for your contributions.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Slip18 on December 29, 2017, 11:51:36 pm
@Quix

Sorry, this is off topic, but I just want to ask you a question about something interesting I came across last night.

Have you heard of "Q?"  Not the Q from Star Trek, obviously, but the person who texts at 4Chan.  Somehow I managed to start reading a lot of coded texts that were mostly sent from Q, but Q did answer a few questions.

I was so fascinated by the encoding and brilliance of the person texting that I read until four in the morning!  Just crazy!

I don't text a whole lot, but I figured perhaps you might know something.  Perhaps there isn't anything, and I wasted my time, eh?
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 30, 2017, 12:24:51 am
@Quix

Sorry, this is off topic, but I just want to ask you a question about something interesting I came across last night.

Have you heard of "Q?"  Not the Q from Star Trek, obviously, but the person who texts at 4Chan.  Somehow I managed to start reading a lot of coded texts that were mostly sent from Q, but Q did answer a few questions.

I was so fascinated by the encoding and brilliance of the person texting that I read until four in the morning!  Just crazy!

I don't text a whole lot, but I figured perhaps you might know something.  Perhaps there isn't anything, and I wasted my time, eh?

Am starting a new thread with your post.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on December 30, 2017, 12:40:38 am

here's the new thread:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,297134.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,297134.new.html#new)


@Quix

Sorry, this is off topic, but I just want to ask you a question about something interesting I came across last night.

Have you heard of "Q?"  Not the Q from Star Trek, obviously, but the person who texts at 4Chan.  Somehow I managed to start reading a lot of coded texts that were mostly sent from Q, but Q did answer a few questions.

I was so fascinated by the encoding and brilliance of the person texting that I read until four in the morning!  Just crazy!

I don't text a whole lot, but I figured perhaps you might know something.  Perhaps there isn't anything, and I wasted my time, eh?
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Slip18 on December 30, 2017, 12:52:54 am
Thank you, Quix!  I still have a difficult time finding things!
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on January 13, 2018, 10:38:20 pm
STEVE  QUAYLE & GUEST ROSS POWELL ON HAGMANN AND HAGMANN

Start about hour:minute 1:30:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KKThEpuIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KKThEpuIk)


Re giants,  nephilium in Antarctica ... Argentina, Bolivia, Northwest Territories of Canada ... giants in  stasis--2 dozen of them out of stasis  . . . etc.

15-20 feet tall  giants

tunnel a couple of miles wide is what he's been told

Solid copper weapons are the only kind effective against them.

An underwater craft that's super huge--so huge it's hard to see at one time/view--may be on our side. Also with the latest laser & sonic weapons ... would take 30 seconds at 600 mph to fly from one end of the craft to the other.

Elevators half the size of a football field.

His sources are several very high level military officials. 4 star special  ops generals. God  told Quayle that God would bring the sources  to  Quayle. And He has. Multiple witnesses and sources saying the same things.

One of Steve Quayle's sources was Joint Chief's head Adm Thomas Moore's chief researcher. She thought Quayle was a bit far out maybe for the Adm. However, the Adm told her that Steve Quayle was the only one who was telling the public the truth of the battle that was truly looming ahead.


Ross Powell is much easier to listen to than hyper rev'd Steve Quayle.

Cannibalism comes from Canaan and demon god Bal

In a vision, I saw a huge monster walking on 4 legs ... size of a dinosaur  ... a machine monster ... that then became clothed in skin etc. They are working to recreate the world as it was before the flood.

Greg Evanson Wouldn't it be easier to just leave this to someone else!

Steve is also friends with Henry Gruver sp?

Lots of things you've been told about Mars are wrong. Mars  is going to come more and more into the news and public consciousness.

Knowledge doesn't save--Jesus only does.



Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on February 08, 2018, 01:53:19 pm
An interesting caution from a UFO researcher:

http://exonews.org/veteran-ufo-researcher-urges-vigilance-following-pentagon-disclosures/ (http://exonews.org/veteran-ufo-researcher-urges-vigilance-following-pentagon-disclosures/)
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2018, 07:04:29 am
An interesting caution from a UFO researcher:

http://exonews.org/veteran-ufo-researcher-urges-vigilance-following-pentagon-disclosures/ (http://exonews.org/veteran-ufo-researcher-urges-vigilance-following-pentagon-disclosures/)

This link looks like a Cameron agenda. I see the sceptrecism.

May I please ask?

Your take on the Paracas DNA?
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on February 09, 2018, 07:44:59 am
This link looks like a Cameron agenda. I see the sceptrecism.

May I please ask?

Your take on the Paracas DNA?

Thanks for the honor of your query.

I think that L.A. Marzulli's commentary and interpretations are most likely the truest.

I believe they are a result of fallen angels humping human women. And, when Israel began wiping them out in the middle east, they migrated. That's the simplest explanation, imho. The timelines seem to fit.

It is interesting that the region in the Balkins  with such genetic haplo-groups is roughly the same region where some of my genetics have been found--though I belongs to a different haplo-group.

I do believe that the elongated heads are part of some sort of  'high strangeness.' That fallen angels are the source of that 'high strangeness' seems to be quite likely.

The elongated heads are found all around the earth. However, IIRC, the Balkins cluster happens to be part of a region involved in darker spiritual things in ancient times.

Time will tell.

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: bigheadfred on February 09, 2018, 05:51:26 pm
@Quix, my friend. I have been working so many hours in the last couple of months I haven't had the time or the interest to stay abreast. But I found that I don't really have to. I found that my level of discernment has risen. And that stepping back to see the forest is worth more than the trees.

As much as I have been stressed at work, a friend told me what to do. He is completely correct. I can't allow work to devour my life.
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on February 09, 2018, 06:29:10 pm
@Quix, my friend. I have been working so many hours in the last couple of months I haven't had the time or the interest to stay abreast. But I found that I don't really have to. I found that my level of discernment has risen. And that stepping back to see the forest is worth more than the trees.

As much as I have been stressed at work, a friend told me what to do. He is completely correct. I can't allow work to devour my life.

THANKS. Congrats. More power to you!
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on February 10, 2018, 12:47:13 am
Some good summary Q-Anon info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwD0OUN9ILg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwD0OUN9ILg)
Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on February 12, 2018, 05:43:09 am
An example of a contact group ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2LBId8Bxo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq2LBId8Bxo)

"UFO Contactee Sixto Paz Wells--Alien Experiences in Peru OVNIS Alienigenas"

NOTES:

{NOTE: I ASSUME THIS IS LARGELY, MOSTLY DISINFORMATION TO SOME DEGREE OR ANOTHER}

Father was an astronomer consultant to their Air Force ... and studied UFOs on the side on his own time.

His father taught his children TO THINK ... not per se to believe but to think.

Age 17 was asking

WHO ARE WE? WHY ARE WE HERE? WHERE ARE WE GOING?

I became a yoga meditator

I did not find the answers I was seeking


. . .

Then my mother and sister told me they had felt the same {about ET contact looming} ... and I told them it could not be. My younger sister started calling all her friends and telling them our sister had had a contact with an ET.

So I  meditated with the visitors ... and I felt a need to write. And this being made an appointment with us in the desert ... that at 21:00 we would be able to see his spaceship before us. All 20 of us went.

We camped from the night before so as to get used to the area before. We had 2 astronomers with us. When the time of the appointment arrived ... the social environment was very relaxed ... the night became as bright as the day. And from behind the hills, a luminous object came and hovered above the hills.

At that moment--we began to ask each other if the other was seeing the light.

Then it began to move--to come and descend toward us. So the group began backing up and getting closer and closer together. The object positioned itself at about 250 feet or less. It had the shape of a disc and rotated on its own axis with multicolored lights.

We felt panic, terror, terror-fear.

Some of my companions asked me to tell them to go. But I didn't know how that could work.

At that moment all of us heard in our minds--they told us that they were not coming down at that moment because we werenot prepared for it--that there would be a time and place and a preparation for it. 6 months later, the space ship landed and we saw the occupants physically.

And not just that. We were able to bring along with us reporters to verify the reality of this contact. A month after the contact was initiated ... and not just male ET's but female ET's too.

Each time we went out into the desert we had sightings of 2 or 3 objects. Sometimes a single object would release spheres that moved around us--like drones.

Since my father was the scientist, we invited him to tell us what was going on. My father didn't want anything to do with it because he thought we were joking.

Since we insisted so much, he came along with us ... along with people from the Peruvian Air Force went with us to the desert. They came with telescopes and high powered binoculars ready to make observations of the sky. They thought they would make it an astronomy observation to not waste their time.

But from behind the hills, something very similar to that image appeared.

A cylindrical object calculated to be about 400 feet in length slightly inclined--then it straightened up and began to pass overhead from where my parents and the military personnel were. The military personnel hid inside their carrs. The only one who stayed watching it pass by was my father.

He later said it was impossible. So many years investigating the topic ... and these beings had contact with my son and not with me. It's not fair.

The group began to grow very much ... 60 or 70 persons

Each time we went out to the field, we had sightings.

Then we were told that for our next field trip, the group should not be larger than 7 persons. Only small groups went out one by one.

We went to the place where we have continuously had these observations ...stepped out of the car and began walking together.

I spoke to my companion next to me and he didn't reply. Suddenly I realized I was about 2 kilometers ahead of everyone else.

Walking 2 kilometers is not that easy in that irregular area. So I thought I would turn around and run back to where I'd come from and to ask them how come I was ahead of them.

I saw behind a hill was a shining and I thought it was my companions with a flashlight.

There was like a half-dome that was pulsating like a heart ... I thought "Oh, My God, the ET's came down and I'm by myself here." All I wanted was to find the rest of the group. I began running even faster. But I felt I didn't make progress.

I felt like someone looking at me but their look was attached to my back. I turned around and looked at the luminous dome--an anthropomorphic being came out with his hand raised.

He said in my mind: Please come.

I said NO.

A 2nd time I heard in my mind--it was more like an order COME!

I said NO!

At that moment images from different movies came to mind and I said I wasn't ready to see something strange at that time.

. . .
Another time, it felt like a friendly imitation. but I said NO. So this being turned around and went back into the light.

Something made me look up into the sky at about 2000 feet was a big object with lights on the underside.

I thought it must be 2 spaceships--one before me and one above. So I went into the light and I felt nauseous--and a weight loss, dizzy and a sensation of burning.

The light was very intense and forced me to close my eyes. ... I saw a person in front of me. He was about 6' tall and well built and oriental features like a Mongol with oriental features ... just like the images I had when I wrote the messages that came to my mind. He had a bright brilliant suit. He gestured with his hands.

The communication was mental--heard in my mind as though he was speaking to me. I am the same being that has communicated with you from the beginning. .. you have gone through a dimensional portal.

They through their psychic abilities and technology are capable of opening portals between dimensions. And to dematerialize someone and project them to another place. ...that we would go to one of Jupiters moons. And the time there would not correspond to the time here on earth.

I calculated that I was there about 4-5 days with them ... but when I returned through the light--only 15 minutes had passed.

The rest of the group was there and saw me come out of the light (portal) .... appearing out of 'no where.'

He asked me where were you? I preferred not to tell him because I didn't even believe what I had gone through.

The next week--all of us went into this portal and lived similar experiences.

A few steps into the light--and we then appeared in a totally different place than the deserts south of Lima ... we could see very tall mountains and domes between the mountains ... and above was the huge planet Jupiter. ... that most of the cities are located under the surface of the moons .... and that there are big oceans under the surface of those moons. That they had big algae plantations on the surface ... Sometimes they come and take some of our algae because they taste better.

We dirty our oceans faster than they can clean them.

They take advantage of the geothermal energy of the moons of Jupiter.

There were no angles. Everything was rounded. I could see women, men and children. They do have sexual relations but only for procreation. They have to be very careful about a demographic explosion. Because they live for 2-3,000 of our years.

They are capable of regenerating their bodies with an adequate diet and also their mental abilities.

Hydroponic plants in their green houses. That our galaxy is a government made up of 24 beings ... all the worlds are capable of helping other worlds evolve--they have representatives on that counsel of 24 elders--underneath there is a hierarchy--genetic engineers--or seeders of life.

Sort of cosmic gardeners.

There are about 60 different races coming to earth and not all with good intentions.

It is not easy for those without good intentions to operate freely on earth because there is a kind of quarantine involved with the earth.

Was told that the prophecies were given so that they would NOT happen--advice to correct the path. Human beings have unlimited potential. If many persons come together with the same intention, we can create a critical mass that can change the future of humanity for the better.

IN recent years, we have seen how NASA has discovered the oceans on some of the moons.

They can also create dimensional portals across time.

When they want to leave our galaxy, they go to our galaxie's center and go into the center and exit into the center of another galaxy.

A super massive star that works to fold space/time.

Recently our scientists have discovered what these beings told us 40 years ago.

A dramatic climate change--all kinds of planetary catastrophes.

Have been saying these things for 44 years. It is published in the 20 books I've written in these 44 years.

The climate change is not the product of pollution created by human beings. It is accelerating the process but not causing it. It was going to happen regardless.

Every 26,000 years, from the center of the galaxy, a pulse is emitted. This violet radiation initiates all kinds of changes in the galaxy.

The mammoths died...This radiation is affecting the magnetic field of the earth, reducing it to a minimum .... melting glaciers ....with the risk that after heating up, the planet could cool down as well, with a new glaciation taking place. Also the nucleus is changing. This is causing the techtonic plates hitting each other more violently.

Every 26,000 years, there is a birth of something new--a new mutation.

This pulse from the center of the galaxy--seemed impossible because we though only a black hole was there and could not emit a pulse.

But NASA saw from Markarian 335 a pulse was also emitted.

Now we see the effects of global climate change.

Rare hurricanes are now more common than seemed possible 3 level 5's coming toward the Central American coast at one time.

Jupiter is losing its polar bands, storms. On the Northern hemisphere of Saturn are also changes.

Big mutations are taking place all over our solar system.

A corporal from the Chilean Army was near Peru ... there were a lot of goods illegally taken over the border in that area.

They saw a light coming over the hill. Corp Valdez told his companions to watch him that he was going to see what the light was--he went into the light in inverse phenomena to what I had experienced--they didn't see him come out of the light--he merely appeared in front of them. His beard was 5 days worth and his watch was ahead 5 days.

The Pinochet Presidency was at that time. He was in jail for going to another planet without asking permission.

The space ship landed on the desert with landing legs.

From inside the spaceship--a being 7-8' tall came out ... looked Nordic ... short hair and almost white hair--silvery suit and a chest piece.

He said he came from a planet near Alpha Centauri

Those who seek a more direct contact are those who look like us or who can assume an appearance like us.

They know that we consider appearances very important. That if we see someone very different, we will think of it as bad.

Some look birds. Some like fish. Some like felines. And reptilians and others like insects.

Others are like energy--don't have a physical corporeality.

They know each other and have authorization to manifest here with us.

Now our scientists know there is an earth like planet in the Goldilocks zone with rocky earth and oceans.

We were told to go to another place high in the mountains.

According to pre Hispanic cultures, we were told the deities had a conflict in that area about 12-13,000' altitude.

It is like a mesa about 3 miles long and about a mile wide.

It has rocky formations that have been crafted by human hands. The face of humanity on one side and the Inca on the other side.

Spectacular places. There we saw their space ships appear and we saw them there. This is a real picture of one of them. This being's name is Mardox.

They told us they would open up so the media could participate in the contact.

We spent several days in the mountains.

While we were up there in the mountains, my father met with this reporter from Spain. They asked my dad if he had any news about the UFO topic. He told them about the experiences we had. A cable went all the way to Europe.

All of that was happening while we were up in the mountains.

When we arrived with our backpacks back home, my father came out of the house with this reporter. How good you have come back so he can interview you.

We candidly told the reporter that he had been sent by the ET's. No, he said the agency has sent me.

Reporters witnessing a pre-arranged sighting would be more convincing.

So he went to the desert and saw two objects in the sky. and he published his first book: UFOs SOS to Humanity.

The Queen of Spain called him to hear his story.

In that spaceship, I found myself in a hexagonal room with many screens ... two pedestals with metal tubes inside.
All of a sudden, the wall opened up and I saw 4 beings--one like the one I'd seen on Ganimede ... and 3 about 4' tall (typical grey looking) Their arms were very long and their fingers reached almost to the knees.

One of them walked near me and I felt that they didn't have life like us--I felt that they were androids or robots.

One brought a rectangular box. Then I realized it was a book with a binder made out of metalic plates.
Upon touching them, they emitted music.

Then the tall being came walking toward me and spoke to me in perfect Spanish. Previously, all other contacts had been mental.

That humans on earth are the result of more than one experiment but that we are not lab rats but more like test tube babies.

And that our world is not a farm but like a little school for young children.

They are also trying to remember from us what they have forgotten. We are an anthropological, sociological, spiritual, etc. experiment from them.

...technological progress but at the expense of sacrificing emotions--so they feel stagnant. So they developed the cosmic plan--according to them, time in the universe is like an ascending spiral .... in one of these turns of the spiral the earth died 1.200 million years ago.

Am not referring to the Yucatan meteor--wy before that--the earth disappeared, nothing remained of the earth. According to them, 7 planets without a future were given an additional future. These civilizations traveled across space and time before the earth would die.

And they avoided earth from dying. Creating an alternative paradoxical time line.That has been gradually intertwining with the original timeline.

The crop circles began to appear ... Now they are appearing in more than 35 countries.

A diet based on cereals can reverse our getting sick or avoid us getting sick.

A 2 headed snake spiral

Time in the universe is like a 2 headed snake wherein eventually one snake will eat the other one.

If they wished, at some point, they could make one of the timelines disappear.

Now, given emotions, the interactions between us have become greater than what used to be allowed.

Some took entire civilizations as their total property.

Some hybridized--combined with us which should never have happened.

Others were deported to earth due to their bad behavior.

All these happenings have caused these two timelines come too close to each other with the danger of them becoming one.

In this crop circle, no earth, in that orbit because in the real time, associated with the earth--there is no earth.

in 2009, the gravitational wave detector ... allowed computers to reach the conclusion that we live in a virtual reality.

Michio Kaku ... in 2014 ... quantum would be confirming that we live in a hologram ... in a virtual reality--in a large scale simulation.

On the 5th time we invited the press (to the mountains to meet the ETs) They witnessed the craft--14 reporters.

In the end, the reporters ended up interviewing each other. When they arrived here, the government took their videos away. They were returned but edited. They were only allowed to show it for 3 minutes on a local chanel.

They called me and told me that they were victims of censorship.

French agency ...

7th time ... reporters remained with us camping out in the desert for 6 days ... and the spaceship arrived and appeared before us and projected the luminous dome ... the reporters saw the being come out of the dome ...invited the reporters to come into the dome. ... She published a whole page of what the ET told her.

2006 we were invited by the ET's on Easter Island And a psychiatrist asked me if he could come.

I told him, many persons told me we needed such so it would be great if he could come.

Here we see two objects above the volcano--there is the object ...[pic] The objects shifted shapes. The main shape was appearing thousands of miles away in crop circles.

Invited the press about 10 times

etc.

The end.






Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on February 13, 2018, 10:11:40 pm
File this under:

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http://exopolitics.org/global-elite-taken-to-gitmo-by-us-special-forces/ (http://exopolitics.org/global-elite-taken-to-gitmo-by-us-special-forces/)

  Global Elite taken to GITMO by US Special Forces – Full Disclosure Implications  Written by Dr Michael Salla (http://exopolitics.org/author/dr-michael-salla/) on January 3, 2018. Posted in Featured (http://exopolitics.org/category/featured/), world politics (http://exopolitics.org/category/geopolitics/)                   
 
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The internet has been buzzing with rumors that high level VIP members of the Deep State (aka Cabal/Illuminati/Global Elite) are being detained for human rights abuses and corruption, and are being taken by U.S. Special Forces to military prison at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base (Gitmo) as a result of thousands of sealed indictments. Multiple sources have been reporting on some of the key VIP figures taken there.

While these are still only rumors, recent events point to their plausibility.  If accurate, these secret investigations, arrests and extractions to Gitmo where they face extended detention and military justice has enormous political implications, and makes possible the release of suppressed information previously withheld by the Deep State.

One source of such rumors comes from David Todeschini, a former USAF veteran who wrote an expose about covert operations during the Vietnam War. He describes what he learned from a reliable FBI source about recent events at Guantanamo in a December 24, 2017 Youtube video, which he summarized (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=_RVWoNX4PY0&app=desktop) as follows:
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High-level confidential sources tell this reporter that the U.S. Military prison at Guantanamo Bay has been alerted to expect high-profile prisoners shortly – possibly as a result of over 10,000 Sealed FEDERAL indictments. 1,000 Marines accompanied General Mattis to Gitmo to provide security for “special prisoners”.…


Another source for secret extractions to GITMO via sealed indictments is veteran journalist Dr. Jerome Corsi who tweeted (https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi/status/946777668212740096):

A third source is Brenden Dilley, a radio host running for the US Congres (https://twitter.com/hublife?lang=en)s, who received information from another anonymous whistleblower who has a track record for reliability. The whistleblower’s information appeared in a December 27 post (https://www.facebook.com/groups/crowdsourcethetruth/permalink/543397476017001/) that was mistakenly attributed to QAnon (http://operationdisclosure.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/qanon-intel-gitmo-7-new-residents.html) [see update below (http://exopolitics.org/global-elite-taken-to-gitmo-by-us-special-forces/#update) for discussion of misattribution to QAnon] The post refers to recent VIP arrivals at Gitmo discussion:

. . . .

What can be distilled from these independent sources is that high level Deep State members, many of whom are part of a Pedophile Satanic global network, are being detained by U.S. Special Forces and taken to Gitmo where they are to be held indefinitely, while military justice is applied to their cases. In the process, Gitmo’s holding facilities are being significantly upgraded with expansions and more guards to accommodate an infusion of VIP prisoners.

. . .



Among the first to refer to U.S. Special Forces being used to investigate and detain Deep State figures under the authority of sealed indictments was Secret Space Program whistleblower Corey Goode. He referred to such military investigations back on August 9 (http://exonews.org/corey-goode-update-us-special-forces-take-on-satanic-pedophile-group/), 2017 after being briefed by a source he described as retired FBI and career military:

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[T]here were teams of US Special Forces that were conducting “domestic surveillance and investigations of a Satanic group that had infiltrated all aspects of government agencies and the military. These Special Forces teams have been in place since the middle of the election cycle…. I was informed that a secret report on how pervasive these infiltrations are is more shocking than what was expected. Strangely, this report also had notes from several secret grand juries that are active right now in D.C.


The report states that the conspiracy involves the majority of powerful people in within the UN, EU, US, State and local (City) power structures. These government organization are completely complicit in what is going on. All the way down to local Post Offices and Police Offices.



More recently, Goode says that his sources have told him that Gitmo is being upgraded to host VIP detainees, and includes wheelchair access for some of them, who are being detained by Special Forces working around the globe He explained in a November 5 communication (https://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1223-targeted-arrests?showall=&start=1) with best selling author David Wilcock:

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Secret Grand Juries were almost totally complete with their investigations when everything changed. They had sealed indictments being prepared when they received a cache of new info that gave them a wider net to cast.

Their investigation has since expanded dramatically. So much about the plans of a coup is known about by the Cabal that I don’t know how much longer the Alliance can wait to act and prevent the Cabal from sneaking out of the country.

Some of the really bad ones have already left. Our SF [Special Forces] teams are planning on going in to some of these countries that are hiding these Cabal members and taking them by force.



Are such claims true? In scrutinizing public records what is known fact is that James Mattis, Secretary of Defense, did visit Gitmo on December 21 (https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/mattis-makes-unusual-visit-to-gitmo/) becoming the first Secretary of Defense to do so since 2002.  It was the same day that Trump issued his “Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption”, where he declared (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/):

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Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: bigheadfred on March 20, 2018, 11:12:48 pm
They cannot touch you if you don't let them in.

I said I wasn't going to let work consume but right now, it is. I accrued some debt from the Hep C treatment--yada yada. I have the opportunity now to work enough hours to pay down a major portion of that debt. So I am doing that.

Here is the thing. I see things about ETs Fighting ETs. A third of the host followed Satan. But the rest are still fighting FOR GOD.

Think about it. When the call comes to you to fight. I mean REALLY fight, don't be blinded by by the things you cannot control

They cannot touch you if you don't let them in.

Peace and love to you all.

Title: Re: The NWO Agenda is The Alien Agenda {perhaps my most important post on topic ever Qx}
Post by: Quix on March 21, 2018, 04:47:05 am
They cannot touch you if you don't let them in.

I said I wasn't going to let work consume but right now, it is. I accrued some debt from the Hep C treatment--yada yada. I have the opportunity now to work enough hours to pay down a major portion of that debt. So I am doing that.

Here is the thing. I see things about ETs Fighting ETs. A third of the host followed Satan. But the rest are still fighting FOR GOD.

Think about it. When the call comes to you to fight. I mean REALLY fight, don't be blinded by by the things you cannot control

They cannot touch you if you don't let them in.

Peace and love to you all.


Good insights, imho.

Thanks.