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Watch: Democrats Launch Personal Attacks Against Wayne County Republican Canvassers
Kyle Olson 18 Nov 2020
Democrats unhappy with the two Republican members on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers launched withering personal attacks during Tuesday night’s meeting after the pair initially declined to certify the November 3 election results.
The board had just deadlocked 2-2 before opening the meeting to public comment. Several of the attendees accused members William Hartmann and Monica Palmer of racism for questioning the disputed tabulation process that took place in Detroit.
Others invoked the canvassers’ children and descendants in a bevy of personal attacks on the two individuals.
Pastor Edward Pruett claimed Hartmann’s “racist ignorance was showing†because he allegedly picked speakers based on his ability to pronounce their names.
“Your children will be disgusted and I am sad that you have influence over them,†the reverend said.
Meanwhile, a woman named Trische Duckworth struck a similar tone, singling out Monica Palmer.
more w/videos
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/18/watch-democrats-launch-personal-attacks-against-wayne-county-republican-canvassers/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/18/watch-democrats-launch-personal-attacks-against-wayne-county-republican-canvassers/)
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind?fbclid=IwAR1bMQnxL544F58TtmmXXYbp3-KAp3aPQLAT1t9symnw6BXhWZfSMkpXaiE (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind?fbclid=IwAR1bMQnxL544F58TtmmXXYbp3-KAp3aPQLAT1t9symnw6BXhWZfSMkpXaiE)
Updated: November 18, 2020 - 11:38pm
In an extraordinary turnabout that foreshadows possible legal action, the two GOP members of Wayne County's election board signed affidavits Wednesday night alleging they were bullied and misled into approving election results in Michigan's largest metropolis and do not believe the votes should be certified until serious irregularities in Detroit votes are resolved.
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Both GOP board members said their concerns included discrepancies in nearly three quarters of Detroit's precinct poll books where ballots are supposed to be matched to qualified voters.
"The Wayne County election had serious process flaws which deserve investigation. I continue to ask for information..."
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Palmer and Hartmann have each submitted affidavits. Palmer, the board’s chair, said in her affidavit that “more than 70% of Detroit’s 134 Absent Voter Counting Boards (AVCB) did not balance.†She then voted not to certify the results.
She added: “After the vote, public comment period began and dozens of people made personal remarks against me and Mr. Hartmann. The comments made accusations of racism and threatened me and my family.†She said that she was advised that she could not oppose the certification and that voting to certify “would result in a full, independent audit of Detroit’s unbalanced precincts.†She later learned that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson did not view the agreement as binding on her. Consequently, Palmer said, she was rescinding her vote.
Hartmann said that he agreed to certify the results after being “berated†and after being told by Wayne County counsel that the discrepancies in the vote were insufficient reason not to certify the result. He added that he was promised that the state would audit the results, but later learned that Benson had no intention of doing so.
It is not clear whether the decision to rescind votes after the fact has any legal value; litigation is likely to follow.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/18/republican-canvassers-rescind-their-votes-to-certify-wayne-county-michigan-results/ (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/18/republican-canvassers-rescind-their-votes-to-certify-wayne-county-michigan-results/)
Brave, very brave. :patriot:
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Voter Fraud in Detroit is rampant, and has been for many years!
7:46 AM · Nov 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1329405682706247683
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Michigan mother describes ‘heartbreaking’ attacks after questioning irregularities in Detroit-area presidential vote
by Emily Larsen, Political Reporter & Zachary Halaschak, Breaking News Reporter |
| November 18, 2020 03:45 PM
A Michigan mother who was one of two Republicans on a panel appointed to certify the Detroit-area election results said she faced “heartbreaking†attacks, including being called a racist, when she raised objections over potential irregularities.
She and the other Republican member of the board changed their votes against certifying election results Tuesday with little explanation after enduring nearly three hours of insults and intimidation, including mentions of their children.
In a statement late Wednesday, Wayne County canvassing board chairwoman Monica Palmer called it "heartbreaking" to sit and listen to people attack her.
"The Democrats went off the hinges trying to suggest we wanted to suppress the black vote, and that was not the case. Our concern was in Detroit, Livonia, and other communities that had unexplained imbalances," Palmer said. "There was not mob rule, but there was a lot of pressure to certify. It was not easy to sit there and listen to all of the threats on the Zoom call and on social media."
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/detroit-area-republicans-changed-votes-against-election-certification-after-called-racists-and-threatened-chilling-talk-of-their-children (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/detroit-area-republicans-changed-votes-against-election-certification-after-called-racists-and-threatened-chilling-talk-of-their-children)
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Aiyash, on Wednesday morning, claimed that he did not mean to expose private information about Palmer’s family maliciously.
“Yesterday, after a failed attempt to disenfranchise Detroit voters, folks spread a fake story that I threatened and ‘doxxed’ Monica Palmer,†Aiyash said in a twee t. “Y’all, I didn’t even know what doxxing was."
He is a lying sack of crap. The police should be paying him a visit and be arrested for intimidation of an election official.
This shit is out of hand.
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Scott Adams Retweeted
Miss Michigan
@correctthemedia
BREAKING VIDEO:
The exact moment Democrat Abraham Aiyash threatened Monica Palmer's children on zoom. This extortion attempt directly influenced the decision to agree to certify the election fraud in #WayneCounty.
Video: https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744
2:54 AM · Nov 18, 2020·Twitter for Android
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Scott Adams Retweeted
Miss Michigan
@correctthemedia
BREAKING VIDEO:
The exact moment Democrat Abraham Aiyash threatened Monica Palmer's children on zoom. This extortion attempt directly influenced the decision to agree to certify the election fraud in #WayneCounty.
Video: https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744
2:54 AM · Nov 18, 2020·Twitter for Android
When you watch him say it, it is even more insidious than the written account on Mist's thread.
The man needs to be arrested.
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When you watch him say it, it is even more insidious than the written account on Mist's thread.
The man needs to be arrested.
If Sydney Powell ever gets around to releasing that Kraken, maybe it can swing by this fellow's place.
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Scott Adams Retweeted
Miss Michigan
@correctthemedia
BREAKING VIDEO:
The exact moment Democrat Abraham Aiyash threatened Monica Palmer's children on zoom. This extortion attempt directly influenced the decision to agree to certify the election fraud in #WayneCounty.
Video: https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744
2:54 AM · Nov 18, 2020·Twitter for Android
Slouching towards the third world. This left wing thug stuff needs to stop now.
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Abraham Aiyash is low born Yemeni Muslim savage from Hamtramck, the first Muslim majority city in USA.
It is SOP to resort to attacks like this when they become a majority.
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Abraham Aiyash is low born Yemeni Muslim savage from Hamtramck, the first Muslim majority city in USA.
It is SOP to resort to attacks like this when they become a majority.
I heard his diatribe in John Brennan's voice. It's eerie. yymouse
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(https://i.postimg.cc/xCn4WTZn/En-Mh6-B3-XMAAu-M8-A.jpg)
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"In dramatic reversal, Wayne County election board Republicans rescind votes certifying results"
I guess their guilt finally caught up to them.
Having said that, their "recision" may have come too late, at least at the "county board level".
However...
The election certification still must come before the state board, and like the county boards, it's evenly divided between democrat-communist and Republican board members.
There's no reason why the 2 Republican members of the state board must vote to certify. I would think they still have the power to vote "no" -- particularly since they now have the objections of the two Republican members of the Wayne country board in agreement.
That's only a guess on my part.
Will the two state-level board members do the right thing...?
(and thus force the issue into the state legislature, which is Republican-controlled)
That's the $64k question.
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Scott Adams Retweeted
Miss Michigan
@correctthemedia
BREAKING VIDEO:
The exact moment Democrat Abraham Aiyash threatened Monica Palmer's children on zoom. This extortion attempt directly influenced the decision to agree to certify the election fraud in #WayneCounty.
Video: https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920357535744
2:54 AM · Nov 18, 2020·Twitter for Android
At a minimum, he should be up on charges for terrorizing, and attempted extortion is not out of range.
Felony time if anyone has the guts or the integrity to charge him.
Other Federal election tampering laws may apply.
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Breaking: Elections Security Expert Uncovers Bombshell About Michigan Election Results
(Tea Party PAC) – Voter fraud has been the hot button issue of the 2020 presidential election, and boy has it ever been a divisive one. Then again, is there anything in this day and age that doesn’t cause division and rancor amongst the American people?
We’ve witnessed a ton of videos come out that show poll watchers, all Republican of course, being denied access — which they have by law — to watch the count and ensure accountability for those counting ballots.
Then there are the affidavits, documents signed by folks that could end up in prison if their claims are untrue, which the left is ignoring altogether.
https://teapartypac.org/breaking-elections-security-expert-uncovers-bombshell-about-michigan-election-results/
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In dramatic reversal, Wayne County election board Republicans rescind votes certifying results
In affidavits, GOP canvass board members claim they were bullied and say there are too many irregularities in Detroit vote to justify accepting election results.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind?utm_source=breaking-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
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:bkmk:
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MI Secretary of State Benson: ‘No Legal Avenue’ for Two Republicans to Rescind Certification Vote
Pam Key 19 Nov 2020
Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) said Thursday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Live†that there was “no legal avenue†for two members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers to reverse their votes.
Benson was reacting to Monica Palmer, the Republican chairwoman, and William Hartmann, the other Republican member of the four-person Wayne County board signing affidavits late Wednesday, saying they want to rescind their votes to certify the county’s election results.
Palmer and Hartman initially voting against certification then later voted for it after hearing from outraged voters on Tuesday.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/19/mi-secretary-of-state-benson-no-legal-avenue-for-two-republicans-to-rescind-certification-vote/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/19/mi-secretary-of-state-benson-no-legal-avenue-for-two-republicans-to-rescind-certification-vote/)
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Yeah, I thought recanting was stupid and meaningless.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Look at this in Michigan! A day AFTER the election, Biden receives a dump of 134,886 votes at 6:31AM!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnOyo7eXcAURaz6?format=jpg&name=small)
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Nov 18
Look at this in Wisconsin! A day AFTER the election, Biden receives a dump of 143,379 votes at 3:42AM, when they learned he was losing badly. This is unbelievable!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnJi0ynWEAwbBxs?format=jpg&name=small)
8:49 PM · Nov 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1329602736053252107
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Look at this in Michigan! A day AFTER the election, Biden receives a dump of 134,886 votes at 6:31AM!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnOyo7eXcAURaz6?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnJi0ynWEAwbBxs?format=jpg&name=small)
8:49 PM · Nov 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1329602736053252107
Hey, @roamer_1
This is what it looks like when you see snow in the morning.
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This is a high stakes game.
I sure hope Sidney Powell and associates have their backs covered.
This is going to go nuclear if what she claims is true.
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Hey, @roamer_1
This is what it looks like when you see snow in the morning.
I have no idea what that is... What alternative explanations might exist... Has anyone tried to defend it?
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I have no idea what that is... What alternative explanations might exist... Has anyone tried to defend it?
Nope. They rebuff any attempts to explain it, and fire anybody not willing to see 5 lights when there are only 4 (obscure Star Trek TNG reference).
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I have no idea what that is... What alternative explanations might exist... Has anyone tried to defend it?
Let me see if I can help you out with that @roamer_1 What you see there is what we commonly refer to as EVIDENCE.
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Let me see if I can help you out with that @roamer_1 What you see there is what we commonly refer to as EVIDENCE.
@Bigun
No... Is the chart and source verified? Could there be other explanations? Sorry, but I will not bend to it until there is an argument... You know, like in a court. But of course, it looks bad as hell.
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@Bigun
No... Is the chart and source verified? Could there be other explanations? Sorry, but I will not bend to it until there is an argument... You know, like in a court. But of course, it looks bad as hell.
Do you think me stupid @roamer_1 ? Do you think I don't know that it will have to be verified and proven in a court of law which this forum is decidedly not!
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Do you think me stupid @roamer_1 ? Do you think I don't know that it will have to be verified and proven in a court of law which this forum is decidedly not!
Then we should be in agreement @Bigun :beer:
I guess we're pickin nits.
I see what's there, but I ain't willing to go down the garden path on it. Not till it solidifies.
Where we will likely part is in using such as this to discount the voters and turn it over to legislatures...
Not without bulletproof evidence... and even then, it's just a terrible thing. No matter what, 70m people are gonna feel cheated, no matter which way it goes.
What would be best in my mind is the prove the fraud and excise the fraudulent ballots and let the People have their way.
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Do you think me stupid @roamer_1 ? Do you think I don't know that it will have to be verified and proven in a court of law which this forum is decidedly not!
@Bigun
That's rich. Here you are, demonstrating the same frustration with @roamer_1 as I did in another thread...that he's purposefully ignoring clear evidence that the Election was stolen from the President...playing his stupid stubborn games.
All, under the premise that until he sees clear indisputable proof, he's going with "Tumpy" lost fair and square.
Allowing people to vote early with no ID...mail-in ballots not even requested. Anybody with a 3-digit IQ knows that President Trump beat Biden-Harris like a rented mule...it was 1984 redux, except that Mondale didn't carry the same public baggage as The Sniffer...Gropey Grope Face.
It isn't like I tied roamer in a chair and tortured him. It's like he tied the entire forum in a that chair, pulling out fingernails after smashing us with a hammer. For over 4 YEARS!!
You want to be 'entertained' by a clown? Go to a circus, not a Conservative Republican forum.
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@Bigun
That's rich. Here you are, demonstrating the same frustration with @roamer_1 as I did in another thread...that he's purposefully ignoring clear evidence that the Election was stolen from the President...playing his stupid stubborn games.
All, under the premise that until he sees clear indisputable proof, he's going with "Tumpy" lost fair and square.
Allowing people to vote early with no ID...mail-in ballots not even requested. Anybody with a 3-digit IQ knows that President Trump beat Biden-Harris like a rented mule...it was 1984 redux, except that Mondale didn't carry the same public baggage as The Sniffer...Gropey Grope Face.
It isn't like I tied roamer in a chair and tortured him. It's like he tied the entire forum in a that chair, pulling out fingernails after smashing us with a hammer. For over 4 YEARS!!
You want to be 'entertained' by a clown? Go to a circus, not a Conservative Republican forum.
Perhaps the difference is in the manner I chose to engage him vs the one you choose.@DCPatriot
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â„•𝔼𝕆â„• â„𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
@NeonRevolt
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Read the affidavit!
No TLDR here. Read it all. It's explosive! Massive analytical take showing how intentionally-broken #Dominion voting machines were used to create voter fraud all over!
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf)
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Michigan House speaker 'hasn't confirmed' he will attend 'extraordinary' White House meeting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michigan-house-speaker-hasnt-confirmed-he-will-attend-extraordinary-white-house-meeting (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michigan-house-speaker-hasnt-confirmed-he-will-attend-extraordinary-white-house-meeting)
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Perhaps the difference is in the manner I chose to engage him vs the one you choose.@DCPatriot
@Bigun
LOL! Been there, done that.
My engagement with him as you suggest happened over months/years. Eventually, you'll catch up with several of the rest of us here. :patriot:
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â„•𝔼𝕆â„• â„𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
@NeonRevolt
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Read the affidavit!
No TLDR here. Read it all. It's explosive! Massive analytical take showing how intentionally-broken #Dominion voting machines were used to create voter fraud all over!
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf)
Thanks for the link. Pretty compelling information. People need to go to prison for awhile.
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Thanks for the link. Pretty compelling information. People need to go to prison for awhile.
:yowsa: And not just a few!
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Trump campaign withdraws Michigan election lawsuit
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/)
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:yowsa: And not just a few!
Unfortunately this: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php) blew that up...
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Unfortunately this: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php (https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php) blew that up...
Judging by their performance to date going it to this matter, I have no doubt that the Trump lawyers know exactly what they are doing. (I do not believe that Lin Wood is formally on that team and is representing himself as a Georgia citizen.)
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Trump campaign withdraws Michigan election lawsuit
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/)
There is going to be much more of this kind of legal back and forth before this is all over and done with @mystery-ak
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November 20, 2020
What a computer expert said about voting results in Michigan
By Mark Landsbaum
Donald Trump's attorneys and investigators say he was winning Michigan by a landslide until ballot-counting computers were turned off in the middle of the night. When they were turned back on, Joe Biden suddenly not only closed the gap, but surged ahead.
"My colleagues and I ... have studied ... the November 3, 2020, election results," said computer security expert Russ Ramsland of Allied Security Operations Group in a sworn affidavit Tuesday. "Based on the significant anomalies and red flags that we have observed, we believe there is a significant probability that election results have been manipulated[.]"
Until about 2 A.M. election night, Trump was running ahead in Michigan, "generally winning between 55% and 60% of every turnout vote," said Ramsland. "Then after the counting was closed at 2 a.m., the situation dramatically reversed itself, starting with a series of impossible spikes shortly after counting was supposed to have stopped."
Here's Ramsland's explanation: "The several spikes cast solely for Biden could easily be produced in the Dominion system by preloading batches of blank ballots in files such as Write-Ins, then casting them all for Biden using the Override Procedure ... that is available to the operator of the system."
"There were 289,866 more ballots processed in the time available for processing in four precincts/townships, than there was capacity," said Ramsland.
In plain English, that means they counted almost 300,000 more ballots than physically possible.
more
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/what_a_computer_expert_said_about_voting_results_in_michigan.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/what_a_computer_expert_said_about_voting_results_in_michigan.html)
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In plain English, that means they counted almost 300,000 more ballots than physically possible.
I would say that constitutes strong EVIDENCE of fraud!
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Hey, @roamer_1
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Look at this in Michigan! A day AFTER the election, Biden receives a dump of 134,886 votes at 6:31AM!
@Cyber Liberty
Nothing to see here,folks,it's just the typical Dim voter casting his or her votes before going to bed after a hard night of partying.
It's the equivalent of the typical working casting his or her vote on the way home after work.
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@Bigun
LOL! Been there, done that.
My engagement with him as you suggest happened over months/years. Eventually, you'll catch up with several of the rest of us here. :patriot:
I respect @roamer_1 's opinion, but I think that at some point the evidence is there. It just needs to be presented in a logical and definitive way, something that can be and is proven in court. I understand that knowing something and proving it are two very different things, especially in the legal arena. So let's get this stuff sorted, organized, and present the case.
I have little doubt about a few things I cannot prove in court, from the Chinese made virus being one leg deeper into the deep state than most here would say, to the fraud being more widespread than formerly imagined, likely even occurring in areas where it was neither effective nor needed (because the count would go for Trump anyway) just to provide a smokescreen of an apparently closer race in the areas where Biden was doomed to lose and provide the cover of 'legitimate' voting practices when they were not. (But Trump won, they couldn't have cheated becomes the excuse to cover, and that it was done in places where Trump won, so it couldn't have an effect where he didn't).
Proving my very strong suspicions is another matter, entirely.
and if even one iota of that is wrong or just off a little bit, then the finger of "CONSPIRACY THEORY" inevitably comes out to disregard the 99.99% that is correct.
So, he's right, and it wouldn't matter if there were 100 witnesses that said a UFO dropped off a million ballots for gropey Joe at the headquarters in Michigan, it would be disregarded. We're just talking about a tenth of that coming from unmarked vans, under the cover of darkness when the counting was shut down and people don;t even want to believe the vertical part of Biden's vote tally when NO OTHER CANDIDATE GOT ONE VOTE.
Now, I'm going to go have a talk with Elvis in the K mart parking lot next to his new ride, because it's just as probable as some of the vote totals being legit.
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@Bigun
That's rich. Here you are, demonstrating the same frustration with @roamer_1 as I did in another thread...that he's purposefully ignoring clear evidence that the Election was stolen from the President...playing his stupid stubborn games.
All, under the premise that until he sees clear indisputable proof, he's going with "Tumpy" lost fair and square.
Allowing people to vote early with no ID...mail-in ballots not even requested. Anybody with a 3-digit IQ knows that President Trump beat Biden-Harris like a rented mule...it was 1984 redux, except that Mondale didn't carry the same public baggage as The Sniffer...Gropey Grope Face.
It isn't like I tied roamer in a chair and tortured him. It's like he tied the entire forum in a that chair, pulling out fingernails after smashing us with a hammer. For over 4 YEARS!!
You want to be 'entertained' by a clown? Go to a circus, not a Conservative Republican forum.
@DCPatriot
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/jeK9409uTXyXm/200_s.gif) *****rollingeyes*****
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I would say that constitutes strong EVIDENCE of fraud!
And I am on the record calling that particular thing a neat argument. Hard for me to see a way around it.
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And I am on the record calling that particular thing a neat argument. Hard for me to see a way around it.
Calling what @Bigun posted "clear evidence" a "neat argument" is purposefully being a circus clown.
So....WTF is wrong with YOU??
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I respect @roamer_1 's opinion, but I think that at some point the evidence is there. It just needs to be presented in a logical and definitive way, something that can be and is proven in court. I understand that knowing something and proving it are two very different things, especially in the legal arena. So let's get this stuff sorted, organized, and present the case.
I have little doubt about a few things I cannot prove in court, from the Chinese made virus being one leg deeper into the deep state than most here would say, to the fraud being more widespread than formerly imagined, likely even occurring in areas where it was neither effective nor needed (because the count would go for Trump anyway) just to provide a smokescreen of an apparently closer race in the areas where Biden was doomed to lose and provide the cover of 'legitimate' voting practices when they were not. (But Trump won, they couldn't have cheated becomes the excuse to cover, and that it was done in places where Trump won, so it couldn't have an effect where he didn't).
Proving my very strong suspicions is another matter, entirely.
and if even one iota of that is wrong or just off a little bit, then the finger of "CONSPIRACY THEORY" inevitably comes out to disregard the 99.99% that is correct.
So, he's right, and it wouldn't matter if there were 100 witnesses that said a UFO dropped off a million ballots for gropey Joe at the headquarters in Michigan, it would be disregarded. We're just talking about a tenth of that coming from unmarked vans, under the cover of darkness when the counting was shut down and people don;t even want to believe the vertical part of Biden's vote tally when NO OTHER CANDIDATE GOT ONE VOTE.
Now, I'm going to go have a talk with Elvis in the K mart parking lot next to his new ride, because it's just as probable as some of the vote totals being legit.
In the overwhelming number of white collar crime cases successfully prosecuted 90 to 100% of the evidence presented is circumstantial. Some here might not be convincible if they are waiting for a bloody monogrammed glove.
There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence here, and even some direct evidence. My bet is they'll prove massive fraud in court. The question is how will the court react.
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Nope. They rebuff any attempts to explain it, and fire anybody not willing to see 5 lights when there are only 4 (obscure Star Trek TNG reference).
I immediately got the reference... :beer:
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Trump campaign withdraws Michigan election lawsuit
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/)
FTA
The secretary of state said in a statement Thursday that Michigan will conduct a long-planned state audit of the results as well as some “local performance audits.â€
(https://i.postimg.cc/xCn4WTZn/En-Mh6-B3-XMAAu-M8-A.jpg)
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I would say that constitutes strong EVIDENCE of fraud!
@Bigun :laugh:
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Calling what @Bigun posted "clear evidence" a "neat argument" is purposefully being a circus clown.
So....WTF is wrong with YOU??
@DCPatriot
Because it ISN'T evidence. Its authenticity has not been vetted. It may in fact be authentic, but has been manipulated. No alternatives posed. There may be a reason why the big dump happened. I don't know nothing, and neither do YOU. There is PLENTY of propaganda on BOTH sides of the aisle.So the better question would be, why are you willing to just believe it without subjecting it to any scrutiny?
So yes. Right now it's a neat argument I would like to see answered. And that is a reasonable stance to take.
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â„•𝔼𝕆â„• â„𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
@NeonRevolt
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Read the affidavit!
No TLDR here. Read it all. It's explosive! Massive analytical take showing how intentionally-broken #Dominion voting machines were used to create voter fraud all over!
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf)
Thanks for this! @Bigun
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Thanks for this! @Bigun
You're welcome!
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Now, I'm going to go have a talk with Elvis in the K mart parking lot next to his new ride, because it's just as probable as some of the vote totals being legit.
Wait... You still have a Kmart?
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@DCPatriot
Because it ISN'T evidence. Its authenticity has not been vetted. It may in fact be authentic, but has been manipulated. No alternatives posed. There may be a reason why the big dump happened. I don't know nothing, and neither do YOU. There is PLENTY of propaganda on BOTH sides of the aisle.So the better question would be, why are you willing to just believe it without subjecting it to any scrutiny?
So yes. Right now it's a neat argument I would like to see answered. And that is a reasonable stance to take.
Actually, contrary to your assertions, it is evidence. Circumstantial evidence. I know it's not the brand you are looking for, but we're gonna have to face it: The "real" evidence won't come out until it hist the Federal Courts.
People will speculate, and an infinite number of water-saturated blankets won't stop that, it just gets friends angry with each other. Just scroll up a million or so pages.
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Actually, contrary to your assertions, it is evidence. Circumstantial evidence. I know it's not the brand you are looking for, but we're gonna have to face it: The "real" evidence won't come out until it hist the Federal Courts.
People will speculate, and an infinite number of water-saturated blankets won't stop that, it just gets friends angry with each other. Just scroll up a million or so pages.
I see what you mean. but no it is not. It has not been verified. It's part of a big picture that someone is painting - Whether that picture is right or not remains to be seen.
Honest question: If Dominion or Scytl came out to demonstrate that the charges against them are false, would you even listen? Would you at least give them a fair shake?
I would bet not.
Then ask yourself why.
And that ain't on you, or anybody... But more about what waggin tongues do.
I am trying to remain circumspect. As should we all.
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John James Calls on Michigan Board of Canvassers to Delay Vote Certification, Investigate Ballot Counting
Kyle Olson20 Nov 2020544
2:57
Republican Senate candidate John James called on the Michigan Board of Canvassers to hold off certifying the election results during its meeting Monday, and recommended that the investigation of fraud allegations be extended for two weeks “to provide a more complete review before certification.â€
James challenged Democrat incumbent Sen. Gary Peters. Unofficial results show Peters leading James by about 85,000 votes, or 1.5 percent, according to the Associated Press.
The Republican asked to take until December 7 to investigate claims by dozens of observers who have filed affidavits alleging fraud, ballots being counted multiple times, and procedures not being followed during the counting process in Detroit.
“I submit this request because I am interested in the truth and protecting the integrity of our elections,†James said in his letter, calling for the group to “fully audit†the results.
“Sometimes the truth takes time to surface, and it’s rarely easy to get to. Time is the most valuable asset we have at this stage and I ask that we take all the time reasonable and allowed — not to undermine our elections — but to improve them and boost public confidence in the results of the election,†James said.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/20/john-james-calls-michigan-board-canvassers-delay-vote-certification-investigate-ballot-counting/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/20/john-james-calls-michigan-board-canvassers-delay-vote-certification-investigate-ballot-counting/)
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I see what you mean. but no it is not. It has not been verified. It's part of a big picture that someone is painting - Whether that picture is right or not remains to be seen.
Honest question: If Dominion or Scytl came out to demonstrate that the charges against them are false, would you even listen? Would you at least give them a fair shake?
I would bet not.
Then ask yourself why.
And that ain't on you, or anybody... But more about what waggin tongues do.
I am trying to remain circumspect. As should we all.
Dominion refused to appear before the PA Senate, and has been actively hiding. I think I would be out of line to ask why are they refusing to defend their work product?
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Dominion refused to appear before the PA Senate, and has been actively hiding. I think I would be out of line to ask why are they refusing to defend their work product?
No... Other than the rather obvious legal liabilities... Which may be their lawyers telling them to shut up... And perhaps present themselves in a manner they control... Typical corporate reaction... Couldn't that be true too?
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Lee Chatfield
@LeeChatfield
I was glad to have met with President Trump this evening. Here is my statement on the meeting:
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6:39 PM · Nov 20, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/LeeChatfield/status/1329932383030824960
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No... Other than the rather obvious legal liabilities... Which may be their lawyers telling them to shut up... And perhaps present themselves in a manner they control... Typical corporate reaction... Couldn't that be true too?
It was their lawyers who stiff-armed the PA Senate. If they told them to shut up, it sounds like they are waiting for a trial before a court. Guess why? They don't want to release the evidence. Why can't Sidney Powell's team get the same courtesy?
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It hurts me a little to agree with Roamer...at least to an extent. I've poured through a bunch of data analysis...and I'm no mathematician...and there is some very stunning anomalies. But I'm not sure you can all that real evidence of wrongdoing as long as there are other potential explanations. And there are some...so we must be cautious in looking at this data. That said, we MUST look at it and conduct some deep audits of the vote in Michigan, Wiscy and PA...because SOMETHING is rotten in the state of Denmark. But no one is going to be convinced via probability charts and data citations...there must be more direct evidence and its likely going to require someone from the "inside" turning on their fellow criminals.
I really believe these Dominion machines were used to defraud millions of votes...but my belief in that means nothing nor does the President's opinion on this matter. Hard evidence...that's the only way forward...and we just don't have it yet.
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It hurts me a little to agree with Roamer...at least to an extent. I've poured through a bunch of data analysis...and I'm no mathematician...and there is some very stunning anomalies. But I'm not sure you can all that real evidence of wrongdoing as long as there are other potential explanations. And there are some...so we must be cautious in looking at this data. That said, we MUST look at it and conduct some deep audits of the vote in Michigan, Wiscy and PA...because SOMETHING is rotten in the state of Denmark. But no one is going to be convinced via probability charts and data citations...there must be more direct evidence and its likely going to require someone from the "inside" turning on their fellow criminals.
I really believe these Dominion machines were used to defraud millions of votes...but my belief in that means nothing nor does the President's opinion on this matter. Hard evidence...that's the only way forward...and we just don't have it yet.
We're just going to have to wait and see what they really have. That's the bottom line.
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The circumstantial evidence of fraud is compelling—all in democrat voting jurisdictions (nothing dubious there). Too many statistical anomalies, logical inconsistencies, and suspicious instances where the voting even breaks the laws of physics!
Too many improbabilities to ignore. Besides, we know the character of democrats. They did this.
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It hurts me a little to agree with Roamer...at least to an extent. I've poured through a bunch of data analysis...and I'm no mathematician...and there is some very stunning anomalies. But I'm not sure you can all that real evidence of wrongdoing as long as there are other potential explanations. And there are some...so we must be cautious in looking at this data. That said, we MUST look at it and conduct some deep audits of the vote in Michigan, Wiscy and PA...because SOMETHING is rotten in the state of Denmark. But no one is going to be convinced via probability charts and data citations...there must be more direct evidence and its likely going to require someone from the "inside" turning on their fellow criminals.
I really believe these Dominion machines were used to defraud millions of votes...but my belief in that means nothing nor does the President's opinion on this matter. Hard evidence...that's the only way forward...and we just don't have it yet.
Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I do believe the standard in civil cases is "Preponderance of the Evidence" rather than "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" @Mesaclone
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The circumstantial evidence of fraud is compelling—all in democrat voting jurisdictions (nothing dubious there). Too many statistical anomalies, logical inconsistencies, and suspicious instances where the voting even breaks the laws of physics!
Too many improbabilities to ignore. Besides, we know the character of democrats. They did this.
Then Trump's crack team should be able to knock it out of the park in court.
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We're just going to have to wait and see what they really have. That's the bottom line.
I agree, 100%. In fact, I've been hollering that straight into the wind.
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It hurts me a little to agree with Roamer...at least to an extent. I've poured through a bunch of data analysis...and I'm no mathematician...and there is some very stunning anomalies. But I'm not sure you can all that real evidence of wrongdoing as long as there are other potential explanations. And there are some...so we must be cautious in looking at this data. That said, we MUST look at it and conduct some deep audits of the vote in Michigan, Wiscy and PA...because SOMETHING is rotten in the state of Denmark. But no one is going to be convinced via probability charts and data citations...there must be more direct evidence and its likely going to require someone from the "inside" turning on their fellow criminals.
I really believe these Dominion machines were used to defraud millions of votes...but my belief in that means nothing nor does the President's opinion on this matter. Hard evidence...that's the only way forward...and we just don't have it yet.
Thank you for that. And that is about where I stand right now. And believe it or not, I am leaning toward y'all in this. I believe there was fraud (there always is), and I lean hard toward massive fraud - I would not be hard to convince. But you are right. Despite my position, what it will take to prosecute this is some pretty rock-solid proof. And so far, that is not forthcoming.
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It was their lawyers who stiff-armed the PA Senate. If they told them to shut up, it sounds like they are waiting for a trial before a court. Guess why? They don't want to release the evidence. Why can't Sidney Powell's team get the same courtesy?
Well evidently they already seized the evidence they need... So what courtesy is required?
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Well evidently they already seized the evidence they need... So what courtesy is required?
Do we know who, specifically, has the evidence? I assume you’re referring to the Frankfurt servers.
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Do we know who, specifically, has the evidence? I assume you’re referring to the Frankfurt servers.
Yeah... Germany anyway... I thought that odd in the press conference... It sounded like it wasn't the Tump team behind that seizing. Don't quite know what to make of that.
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Yeah... Germany anyway... I thought that odd in the press conference... It sounded like it wasn't the Tump team behind that seizing. Don't quite know what to make of that.
Neither do I. Apparently the server was improperly linked to the tabulating machines in Barcelona and there’s some speculation that Espers firing was related to it. We shall see.
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Neither do I. Apparently the server was improperly linked to the tabulating machines in Barcelona and there’s some speculation that Espers firing was related to it. We shall see.
Curiouser and curiouser... happy77 :beer:
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Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I do believe the standard in civil cases is "Preponderance of the Evidence" rather than "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" @Mesaclone
(I posted this on another thread @Bigun )
I know we're all anxious for the kraken to make a splash (see what I did there :laugh: ) ... Personally, I'm thinking the kraken is going to be the thread that's woven through a clear and compelling story of targeted, premeditated and coordinated fraud to deny the vast majority of American voters their choice for President of the United States. (Think Supreme Court)
As for evidence, I think we can relax, at least a little. I think they've got it ... maybe a little too much. happy77 In a civil fraud lawsuit, such as the election lawsuit(s) are/will be, the plaintiff must present clear and convincing evidence. They are not required to present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Part of this process is to present a clear and convincing story which the evidence supports. I imagine the President's legal team is now fine-tuning the clear and compelling story that is supported by the evidence they have collected. Remember, the team has collected this evidence without the benefit of a legal discovery phase -- so kudos to them for collecting so much evidence and kudos to the Americans who have stepped up to help provide it.
Here's a bit more on evidence:
The burden of proof has two components. First, the plaintiff must satisfy the burden of production, which has also been referred to as the burden of going forward. As the terms suggest, this burden requires the plaintiff to put forth evidence in the form of witness testimony, documents, or objects. After the plaintiff presents his or her case-in-chief, the burden of production shifts to the defendant, who then has the opportunity to provide evidence either rebutting the plaintiff’s evidence or supporting the defendant’s own arguments.
In some civil cases, the burden of proof is elevated to a higher standard called “clear and convincing evidence.†This burden of proof requires the plaintiff to prove that a particular fact is substantially more likely than not to be true. Some courts have described this standard as requiring the plaintiff to prove that there is a high probability that a particular fact is true. This standard sets a higher threshold than the preponderance of the evidence standard, but it does not quite rise to the widely recognized standard used in criminal cases, known as “beyond a reasonable doubt.â€
https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/lawsuits-and-the-court-process/evidentiary-standards-and-burdens-of-proof/ (https://www.justia.com/trials-litigation/lawsuits-and-the-court-process/evidentiary-standards-and-burdens-of-proof/)
the burden of production shifts to the defendant, who then has the opportunity to provide evidence either rebutting the plaintiff’s evidence or supporting the defendant’s own arguments.
This, pointing-up IMHO, is why the President's legal team is not taking their evidence, chapter and verse, to the media. It's much more likely they're using the media to test the story, not give a precise heads-up to George Soros.
So, all's good. Tense, but good. I hope this helps get us through another weekend with a louder, more insistent drumbeat for "evidence!", "evidence!", "evidence!" and the President's team not tipping their hand. Yet.
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Yeah... Germany anyway... I thought that odd in the press conference... It sounded like it wasn't the Tump team behind that seizing. Don't quite know what to make of that.
If there really is evidence there are some really big players - as in major countries - that would like it to never see the light of day. That would make it power politics on another level.
Giuliani is not up to the challenge.
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Curiouser and curiouser... happy77 :beer:
If this were an HBO series I’d be hooked.
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Well evidently they already seized the evidence they need... So what courtesy is required?
None that I can see. Screw courtesy, I was thinking more of dragging them before a court with Subpoenas.
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(I posted this on another thread @Bigun )
I know we're all anxious for the kraken to make a splash (see what I did there :laugh: ) ... Personally, I'm thinking the kraken is going to be the thread that's woven through a clear and compelling story of targeted, premeditated and coordinated fraud to deny the vast majority of American voters their choice for President of the United States. (Think Supreme Court)
As for evidence, I think we can relax, at least a little. I think they've got it ... maybe a little too much. happy77 In a civil fraud lawsuit, such as the election lawsuit(s) are/will be, the plaintiff must present clear and convincing evidence. They are not required to present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Part of this process is to present a clear and convincing story which the evidence supports. I imagine the President's legal team is now fine-tuning the clear and compelling story that is supported by the evidence they have collected. Remember, the team has collected this evidence without the benefit of a legal discovery phase -- so kudos to them for collecting so much evidence and kudos to the Americans who have stepped up to help provide it.
Here's a bit more on evidence:
This, pointing-up IMHO, is why the President's legal team is not taking their evidence, chapter and verse, to the media. It's much more likely they're using the media to test the story, not give a precise heads-up to George Soros.
So, all's good. Tense, but good. I hope this helps get us through another weekend with a louder, more insistent drumbeat for "evidence!", "evidence!", "evidence!" and the President's team not tipping their hand. Yet.
Thanks, @Right_in_Virginia That is as I thought it to be. Now try this one for size:
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
PHILADELPHIA.
Dominion submitted a bid to The City of Philadelphia to be considered for use in elections. Although the bid was given to ES&S, there is something quite curious about its application: It's REDACTED.
And not only that, look *what* is redacted.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em444_LXUAAeDgh?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1328061821820035072
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If there really is evidence there are some really big players - as in major countries - that would like it to never see the light of day. That would make it power politics on another level.
One of those countries being our own @DB or at least several very big agencies of it.
Not going to say more than that at present. But Sidney has this to say:
You have no idea, but you will find out soon!
#Obama
#Brennan
#Clapper
#CIA
#TrumpWon
@LLinWood
https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1329968422025916416
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Thanks, @Right_in_Virginia That is as I thought it to be. Now try this one for size:
Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
PHILADELPHIA.
Dominion submitted a bid to The City of Philadelphia to be considered for use in elections. Although the bid was given to ES&S, there is something quite curious about its application: It's REDACTED.
And not only that, look *what* is redacted.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em444_LXUAAeDgh?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1328061821820035072
Paging Justice Kavanaugh, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Let's get this ball rolling ....
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If there really is evidence there are some really big players - as in major countries - that would like it to never see the light of day. That would make it power politics on another level.
Giuliani is not up to the challenge.
Something's hinky in all that. Unless the Skytl servers were on a US base, how the heck does the US Army wind up with jurisdiction to bust the place and haul off the servers?
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Something's hinky in all that. Unless the Skytl servers were on a US base, how the heck does the US Army wind up with jurisdiction to bust the place and haul off the servers?
Was it even the US army?
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Something's hinky in all that. Unless the Skytl servers were on a US base, how the heck does the US Army wind up with jurisdiction to bust the place and haul off the servers?
You're getting warm! @roamer_1 IIRC there was a tweet the other day from Sidney saying that Gina Haspell should be fired immediately.
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Something's hinky in all that. Unless the Skytl servers were on a US base, how the heck does the US Army wind up with jurisdiction to bust the place and haul off the servers?
Word has it they didnt lead the seizure.
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Was it even the US army?
Who knows, but that's what's been said... In the original internet rumors, and then basically admitted in Giuliani's press conference...
And then Skytle denying any connection with Dominion whatsoever...
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Word has it they didnt lead the seizure.
Who did? And why would US Army be involved at all?
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You're getting warm! @roamer_1 IIRC there was a tweet the other day from Sidney saying that Gina Haspell should be fired immediately.
So it's the spooks? And they took the servers to bury them? I dunno...
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So it's the spooks? And they took the servers to bury them? I dunno...
Nope! @roamer_1
My jungle drums are telling me that the servers were in a CIA safe house and were removed by some very special people in the U.S. Army.
I do not know that any of that is true for sure. I do know that Gina Haspel was the CIA Station Chief in London when this Steel guy was doing his thing for Hillary Clinton's people and that stuff became the basis for the Mueller investigation.
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Who did? And why would US Army be involved at all?
I can only guess German LEOs. Our military might be involved because of the national security implications. Again just a guess.
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Nope! @roamer_1
My jungle drums are telling me that the servers were in a CIA safe house and were removed by some very special people in the U.S. Army.
I do not know that any of that is true for sure.
@Bigun
Is that a milspec grapevine you're shaking?
And Skytl being in bankruptcy and having nothing to do with Dominion? Kinda feels like a bagholder deal.
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@Bigun
Is that a milspec grapevine you're shaking?
And Skytl being in bankruptcy and having nothing to do with Dominion? Kinda feels like a bagholder deal.
Yes it is and I edited my above post @roamer_1
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Yes it is and I edited my above post @roamer_1
@Bigun
Well I will defer to your superior sources... I have nothing up that particular chain...
But then it was a sf hit in the dark of night kinda thing... And taken FROM the spooks.
For a purpose... as a simple gas explosion would have sufficed to destroy the evidence.
This is beginning to sound like a mystery novel...
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@Bigun
Well I will defer to your superior sources... I have nothing up that particular chain...
But then it was a sf hit in the dark of night kinda thing... And taken FROM the spooks.
For a purpose... as a simple gas explosion would have sufficed to destroy the evidence.
This is beginning to sound like a mystery novel...
Yeah! Exactly! Especially given that no one was tipped off about it before it happened. And I didn't say a word about SF. @roamer_1
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Yeah! Exactly! Especially given that no one was tipped off about it before it happened. And I didn't say a word about SF. @roamer_1
@Bigun
I was not pointing fingers... I was talking style...
Because the rumors sounded like an enforcement thing... warrants and such... not a dark-of-night deal...
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Forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I do believe the standard in civil cases is "Preponderance of the Evidence" rather than "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" @Mesaclone
I think the standard is neither of those...because I don't think, in the end, this is decided by the courts. Certainly, getting some wins at the SC would be very helpful...but in the end...the Trump team has to persuade the legislatures in 3 states to send their own slate of Electors. They are all empowered to do so...IF...they are convinced that the count in their state is fraudulent and that Trump, in reality, got more votes than Biden. This is, admittedly, a hard sell and will require courage on the part of a lot of Republicans at the state level. So the evidence needs to be powerful, explicit, and comprehensive.
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I can only guess German LEOs. Our military might be involved because of the national security implications. Again just a guess.
Believe me...if these servers and CIA operatives really ARE part of an attempted election Coup de etat...its entirely likely some very elite military personnel would raid a German facility. They might even do so without notifying the Germans until the operation was...literally...underway....because if said facility was a CIA op, it would have been very unwise to inform the Germans in advance, as they would almost certainly have leaked it to United States CIA operatives.
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Believe me...if these servers and CIA operatives really ARE part of an attempted election Coup de etat...its entirely likely some very elite military personnel would raid a German facility. They might even do so without notifying the Germans until the operation was...literally...underway....because if said facility was a CIA op, it would have been very unwise to inform the Germans in advance, as they would almost certainly have leaked it to United States CIA operatives.
Whatever the case, it is wild. I am intrigued by the suggestion that the usual gang of idiots might be behind it all.
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Wait... You still have a Kmart?
Gone with the schwinn...
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Whatever the case, it is wild. I am intrigued by the suggestion that the usual gang of idiots might be behind it all.
@skeeter @Bigun @Right_in_Virginia @Mesaclone @Smokin Joe @roamer_1
I'm at the end of my wits on this entire matter.
We're finding out that the U.S. Military in the Pentagon straight out LIED to POTUS about the number of existing troops in Syria?
Now, add a 'theory' that some military black-ops raided a foreign location to get literal possession of the server used to fix said Election?
For chrissakes, wouldn't it be much easier if they simply assassinated POTUS, rather than go through all this...rig the Election?
Texas Book Depository... a MAGA rally. "At this point what difference does it make?" --- Hillary Clinton
I coming away from this believing that U.S. Presidents are all merely figureheads and don't control any 'REAL' power whatsoever.
Commander-in-Chief of WHAT? Of WHOM?
...very depressing.
I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?
Thunderbolt and lightning very, very frightening me.
(Galileo) Galileo.
(Galileo) Galileo,
Galileo Figaro
Magnifico-o-o-o-o.
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Who did? And why would US Army be involved at all?
Why not? SEALs have worked with GSG-9 on international counter-terrorism cases. This has as much import, potentially, as any terrorist attack, perhaps even more, and Trump trusts the Army.
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Gone with the schwinn...
Yeah... **nononono*
happy77
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Why not? SEALs have worked with GSG-9 on international counter-terrorism cases. This has as much import, potentially, as any terrorist attack, perhaps even more, and Trump trusts the Army.
Right... I get that... But my understanding was served warrants and LEO type setting... not a strike.
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Right... I get that... But my understanding was served warrants and LEO type setting... not a strike.
Germany has different rules, iirc. No one wants to take a chance on shooting up the equipment, nor giving anyone an opportunity to destroy it. Tier one operators as a tactical team would overwhelm the facility and seize the goods before most more ordinary folks knew what had happened. These aren't jihadis willing to die for 72 virgins, 'the cause' just doesn't pay that well. The idea is to have both the machines and the 'staff' under control. Then send in the warrants and LEOs after the goods are secured and give the LEOs credit to keep pols from griping, rather than the consulting forces in the joint action. It's still a 'police action', with tactical consultants.
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Germany has different rules, iirc. No one wants to take a chance on shooting up the equipment, nor giving anyone an opportunity to destroy it. Tier one operators as a tactical team would overwhelm the facility and seize the goods before most more ordinary folks knew what had happened. These aren't jihadis willing to die for 72 virgins, 'the cause' just doesn't pay that well. The idea is to have both the machines and the 'staff' under control. Then send in the warrants and LEOs after the goods are secured and give the LEOs credit to keep pols from griping, rather than the consulting forces in the joint action. It's still a 'police action', with tactical consultants.
Then again, it could just be someone blowin smoke up my @$$. I really don't KNOW anything other than that the tweets I posted are genuine.
And this article (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/sidney_powell_has_expanded_on_the_scope_of_the_dominion_scam.html) is out today.
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@skeeter @Bigun @Right_in_Virginia @Mesaclone @Smokin Joe @roamer_1
I'm at the end of my wits on this entire matter.
We're finding out that the U.S. Military in the Pentagon straight out LIED to POTUS about the number of existing troops in Syria?
Now, add a 'theory' that some military black-ops raided a foreign location to get literal possession of the server used to fix said Election?
For chrissakes, wouldn't it be much easier if they simply assassinated POTUS, rather than go through all this...rig the Election?
Texas Book Depository... a MAGA rally. "At this point what difference does it make?" --- Hillary Clinton
Its called target fixation. I'm just hoping that somewhere along the line we see a little justice. Not much will do, just one or two scalps. Is that so much to ask?
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Its called target fixation. I'm just hoping that somewhere along the line we see a little justice. Not much will do, just one or two scalps. Is that so much to ask?
In reality, the scalps taken for perfidy should carpet the National Mall.
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Its called target fixation. I'm just hoping that somewhere along the line we see a little justice. Not much will do, just one or two scalps. Is that so much to ask?
Not going to happen, @skeeter
We've been in a 'HOT' Civil War with The Left, since Whitewater and Hanging Chads.
This entire "Let's Destroy Trump" exercise is born out of the goal to bury Obama and Clinton treason and high crimes.
She's on record saying..."If I go down, I'm taking half of Washington, D.C. with me"
'Misplacing' $6 BILLION from the Clinton State Department was never audited thoroughly, if at all.
It couldn't succeed without full complicity of the mainstream media complex, and foreign assistance from Britain (MI-6), Germany's Angela Merkel and the finances of the Nazi, George Soros.
Right down to the placing of sympathetic activist judges across the spectrum, they crossed every T and dotted the I's.
Seriously doubt that I will see the official end, but... OUR REPUBLIC IS LOST unless the "Guns behind every blade of grass" begin to overheat.
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In reality, the scalps taken for perfidy should carpet the National Mall.
Were that to happen I would hop the next flight to DC for some sightseeing. And I'd leave my shoes at home.
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Not going to happen, @skeeter
We've been in a 'HOT' Civil War with The Left, since Whitewater and Hanging Chads.
This entire "Let's Destroy Trump" exercise is born out of the goal to bury Obama and Clinton treason and high crimes.
'Misplacing' $6 BILLION from the Clinton State Department was never audited thoroughly, if at all.
It couldn't succeed without full complicity of the mainstream media complex, and foreign assistance from Britain (MI-6), Germany's Angela Merkel and the finances of the Nazi, George Soros.
Right down to the placing of sympathetic activist judges across the spectrum, they crossed every T and dotted the I's.
Seriously doubt that I will see the official end, but... OUR REPUBLIC IS LOST unless the "Guns behind every blade of grass" begin to overheat.
I cannot argue with any of that. It has always been an article of faith that corruption could be found in Washington. But I had no idea how inculcated in our institutions it has become. Corruption defines them.
Its all an inside joke and we're the patsies.
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'Misplacing' $6 BILLION from the Clinton State Department was never audited thoroughly, if at all.
Neither was the trillion misplaced by Dubya.
It couldn't succeed without full complicity of the mainstream media complex, and foreign assistance from Britain (MI-6), Germany's Angela Merkel and the finances of the Nazi, George Soros.
Right down to the placing of sympathetic activist judges across the spectrum, they crossed every T and dotted the I's.
No. The fault is on those that were supposed to guard the walls, the ones that let it happen.
The Republicans have held all three houses, and never did a thing.
No serious accounting.
No rooting out of activists (or if I am to believe others, never set up their own 'deep state' in opposition. Why are there no Republicans in the administration positioned in FBI, CIA, DOD, HS?
No attempts to bend education away from indoctrination.
No relief from grant money going toward liberal minded sciences.
The fault is on those who were supposed to stand and guard, and ultimately those who elected them...
Liberals are winning because they have no opposition.
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Neither was the trillion misplaced by Dubya.
No. The fault is on those that were supposed to guard the walls, the ones that let it happen.
The Republicans have held all three houses, and never did a thing.
No serious accounting.
No rooting out of activists (or if I am to believe others, never set up their own 'deep state' in opposition. Why are there no Republicans in the administration positioned in FBI, CIA, DOD, HS?
No attempts to bend education away from indoctrination.
No relief from grant money going toward liberal minded sciences.
The fault is on those who were supposed to stand and guard, and ultimately those who elected them...
Liberals are winning because they have no opposition.
Perfidy (especially for profit) is not confined by Party lines.
It is a sad day when the greatest hope the Republic has is something out of a Tom Clancy Novel.
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Perfidy (especially for profit) is not confined by Party lines.
That's right. The biggest obstacle to conservatism is the right, not the left.
It is a sad day when the greatest hope the Republic has is something out of a Tom Clancy Novel.
LOL! IKnowRight? with shades of Qanon... :shrug: :thud:
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It is a sad day when the greatest hope the Republic has is something out of a Tom Clancy Novel.
Executive Orders is still my favorite with an unelected Jack Ryan being sworn in as President right before a 747 slams into the Capitol killing over 90% of legislators and 7 of the 9 SCOTUS Justices.
The ONLY tool left remaining for this monstrosity our government has become is to cut off the money. And the chief obstacle right now is the Fed with its penchant for creating out of thin air new money that doesn't exist.
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Executive Orders is still my favorite with an unelected Jack Ryan being sworn in as President right before a 747 slams into the Capitol killing over 90% of legislators and 7 of the 9 SCOTUS Justices.
The ONLY tool left remaining for this monstrosity our government has become is to cut off the money. And the chief obstacle right now is the Fed with its penchant for creating out of thin air new money that doesn't exist.
Now you are singing off my sheet of music @Hoodat
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Executive Orders is still my favorite with an unelected Jack Ryan being sworn in as President right before a 747 slams into the Capitol killing over 90% of legislators and 7 of the 9 SCOTUS Justices.
The ONLY tool left remaining for this monstrosity our government has become is to cut off the money. And the chief obstacle right now is the Fed with its penchant for creating out of thin air new money that doesn't exist.
Decades ago I said starve the beast. I was slow to realize that isn't possible. They spend regardless of collecting it in taxes or not. And that spending is taken out of our hides one way or another. And that spending is only accelerating. Their power is derived from that spending and it comes at the cost of crushing debt on the country as a whole. Some benefit short term while all will pay an extreme cost long term. Our destiny of economic ruin is set if we don't have the courage to stop doing this.
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Decades ago I said starve the beast. I was slow to realize that isn't possible. They spend regardless of collecting it in taxes or not. And that spending is taken out of our hides one way or another. And that spending is only accelerating. Their power is derived from that spending and it comes at the cost of crushing debt on the country as a whole. Some benefit short term while all will pay an extreme cost long term. Our destiny of economic ruin is set if we don't have the courage to stop doing this.
Keep this up and we'll soon have a choir!
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Prior to 2008, federal spending was limited to whatever dollars the Treasury could get its hands on. In every year since 1957, the Treasury made up any shortfall by printing up bonds and exchanging them on an open market for existing dollars. This was always achievable because the total amount was relatively low compared to the worldwide money supply of dollars and because of US trade deficits which put excess dollars in the hands of countries like Saudi Arabia and China.
Economics is defined by scarcity. Under its laws of supply and demand, interest rates set the demand. When the Treasury's demand for dollars increased, bond rates were set higher in order to attract more 'investment' in Treasury bonds. When the demand decreased, the Treasury had the ability to drop their rates.
All of this changed in late 2008. Faced with an economic crisis (brought about purely by Democrat policies), the Federal Reserve was asked to 'create' $350 billion on their balance sheet and lend that money to the Treasury at some obscenely low interest rate. (Supply and demand rules go out the window since the creation of new money out of thin air eliminates the law of scarcity), and the promise that another $350 billion would be forthcoming at the start of 2009. The Treasury would then lend these amounts to huge corporations deemed "to large to fail" [sic]. The hidden purpose of all of this was to protect Goldman Sachs, but that is a different discussion.
Anyways, the point was that these companies needed the cash to survive, and would pay the money back to the Treasury once things stabilized (which almost all of them did). But the cat was now out of the bag. When the money was returned to the Treasury, the Treasury did not hand the money back over to the Fed, but instead used that money again to fund other government spending. And every year since then, the Treasury has relied on the Fed to print up new money to fund its deficit spending. The money supply gets bigger, and your purchasing power declines.
Anyone taking a basic macroeconomics class knows that with a fixed money supply, it is impossible for interest rates to be lower than the inflation rate. Yet that is what we have today, proving that interest rates are not being set by the scarcity of money, but instead are arbitrarily being set by an entity with a virtually unlimited supply of money.
The greatest enemy we face today is our very own Congress refusing to balance the budget for the 63rd consecutive year. And now we have a co-conspirator Fed who has removed the only disincentive that Congress had.
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Prior to 2008, federal spending was limited to whatever dollars the Treasury could get its hands on. In every year since 1957, the Treasury made up any shortfall by printing up bonds and exchanging them on an open market for existing dollars. This was always achievable because the total amount was relatively low compared to the worldwide money supply of dollars and because of US trade deficits which put excess dollars in the hands of countries like Saudi Arabia and China.
Economics is defined by scarcity. Under its laws of supply and demand, interest rates set the demand. When the Treasury's demand for dollars increased, bond rates were set higher in order to attract more 'investment' in Treasury bonds. When the demand decreased, the Treasury had the ability to drop their rates.
All of this changed in late 2008. Faced with an economic crisis (brought about purely by Democrat policies), the Federal Reserve was asked to 'create' $350 billion on their balance sheet and lend that money to the Treasury at some obscenely low interest rate. (Supply and demand rules go out the window since the creation of new money out of thin air eliminates the law of scarcity), and the promise that another $350 billion would be forthcoming at the start of 2009. The Treasury would then lend these amounts to huge corporations deemed "to large to fail" [sic]. The hidden purpose of all of this was to protect Goldman Sachs, but that is a different discussion.
Anyways, the point was that these companies needed the cash to survive, and would pay the money back to the Treasury once things stabilized (which almost all of them did). But the cat was now out of the bag. When the money was returned to the Treasury, the Treasury did not hand the money back over to the Fed, but instead used that money again to fund other government spending. And every year since then, the Treasury has relied on the Fed to print up new money to fund its deficit spending. The money supply gets bigger, and your purchasing power declines.
Anyone taking a basic macroeconomics class knows that with a fixed money supply, it is impossible for interest rates to be lower than the inflation rate. Yet that is what we have today, proving that interest rates are not being set by the scarcity of money, but instead are arbitrarily being set by an entity with a virtually unlimited supply of money.
The greatest enemy we face today is our very own Congress refusing to balance the budget for the 63rd consecutive year. And now we have a co-conspirator Fed who has removed the only disincentive that Congress had.
I mostly agree with that. The fake interest rates/inflation though started well before 2008. The whole housing bubble of 2004-2007 was driven by absurdly low interest rates, false inflation numbers and extremely loose credit.
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I mostly agree with that. The fake interest rates/inflation though started well before 2008. The whole housing bubble of 2004-2007 was driven by absurdly low interest rates, false inflation numbers and extremely loose credit.
Keep in mind that deficits were much lower, too. In 2006, the GOP had reduced the deficit to $160 billion. By 2009, it would be over ten times that. But you are right about the Fed floating all that money, although there was a mechanism in place where that money would be paid back. The Fed ended up floating the money, and then paying it out a second time by bailing out the lenders who made the bad loans. They should have all been allowed to go bankrupt instead of bailing out incompetence.
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Decades ago I said starve the beast. I was slow to realize that isn't possible. They spend regardless of collecting it in taxes or not. And that spending is taken out of our hides one way or another. And that spending is only accelerating. Their power is derived from that spending and it comes at the cost of crushing debt on the country as a whole. Some benefit short term while all will pay an extreme cost long term. Our destiny of economic ruin is set if we don't have the courage to stop doing this.
You left out the part where those who control the purse strings are busy lining their own nests with the bits that fall off that truck.
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If I had the ability to expunge only one year from our history it would be 1913!
I could post a LOT as to why but that is NOT what this thread is about and it has already strayed far afield.
“The economic decline of a society without property rights is followed by the loss of other values. It is only when we have a sufficiency of necessaries that we give thought to nonmaterial things, to what is called culture. On the other hand, we find we can do without books, or even moving pictures, when existence is at stake. Even more than that, we who have no right to own certainly have no right to give and charity becomes an empty word; in a socialistic order no one need give thought to an unfortunate neighbor because it is the duty of the government, the only property owner, to take care of him; it might even become a crime to give a "bum" a dime. When the denial of the right of the individual is negated through the denial of ownership, the sense of personal pride, which distinguishes man from beast, must decay from disuse.
The income tax is not only a tax; it is an instrument that has the potentiality of destroying a society of humans.â€
― Frank Chodorov, The Income Tax: Root of All Evil
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If I had the ability to expunge only one year from our history it would be 1913!
Yep. That was another bad year.
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To the Members of the Board of State Canvassers:
This board faces a stark choice: it can either ignore numerical anomalies and credible reports of procedural irregularities, leaving the distrust and sense of procedural disenfranchisement felt by many Michigan voters to fester for years; or it can adjourn for fourteen days to allow for a full audit and investigation into those anomalies and irregularities before certifying the results of the 2020 General Election, allowing all Michiganders to have confidence in the results. On behalf of the Republican National Committee (“RNCâ€) and Michigan Republican Party (“MRPâ€) , we encourage the Board to grant the request made by John James for Senate, Inc. (“James Campaignâ€) and adjourn for fourteen days to allow for a full, transparent audit of Wayne County’s 2020 General Election results.
We echo the concerns voiced by the James Campaign and Mr. James in their request and letter of November 20, 2020. The procedural and accounting irregularities identified by the James Campaign’s request are credible, deeply concerning, and threaten to undermine Michigander’s faith in the integrity of the November 2020 General Election. To simply gloss over those irregularities now without a thorough audit would only foster feelings of distrust among Michigan’s electorate. In light of the already unprecedented nature of this election—conducted largely by mail in the midst of an ongoing pandemic, it would be a grievous dereliction of this Board’s duty to the people of Michigan not to ensure that the irregularities identified by the James Campaign are thoroughly investigated by a full audit before certifying Wayne County’s results. As the James Campaign has adeptly explained, such an audit could be completed during a fourteen day adjournment of this Board, and neither that adjournment nor the audit of Wayne County’s results would impermissibly delay certification of the election results beyond the statutory deadline of December 7, 2020.
Election officials in other states have taken discretionary steps to ensure that their voters could have full faith in the integrity of their state’s results. In Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger ordered a full, statewide audit by hand when confronted with reports of numerical anomalies, procedural errors, and alleged malfeasance despite not being required to do so by Georgia’s laws. Secretary Raffensperger noted that though he thought it was very unlikely that recount would overturn the state’s election results, there was no reason to hurry certification along without first ensuring that all reported procedural irregularities were fully examined. He explained, “With the margin being so close, it will require a full by-hand recount in each county. This will help build confidence. It will be an audit, a recount, and a recanvass all once; it will be a heavy lift, but we will work with the counties to get this done in time for our state certification.†Secretary Raffensperger took this discretionary decision to engage in a full hand recount despite Georgia law not necessarily requiring a full audit by statewide hand recount. See O.C.G.A. § 21-2-498 and SEB Rule 183-1-15-.04. Secretary Raffensperger made this decision in recognition of the imperative that if our government is to function with any legitimacy, voters must have full confidence in the integrity of an election’s result, regardless of whether their preferred candidate won. We encourage this Board to follow that example and order a full audit of Wayne County’s election results and receipts to ensure that Michiganders receive at least the same level of procedural safeguards as Georgians.
We are distressed by the comments of some public officials in Michigan casually dismissing the significant problems and irregularities seen in Wayne County. While those comments may be motivated by a desire to bolster confidence in the election results, its actual effect has been to make the over 2.6 million Trump and Republican voters in the state even more distrustful that Michigan’s election officials are ignoring their demands for free and fair elections. These issues cannot simply be ignored away or brushed under the rug, they must be confronted and thoroughly examined. We implore you to listen to the pleas of your voters and order the audit.
We are distressed by the comments of some public officials in Michigan casually dismissing the significant problems and irregularities seen in Wayne County. While those comments may be motivated by a desire to bolster confidence in the election results, its actual effect has been to make the over 2.6 million Trump and Republican voters in the state even more distrustful that Michigan’s election officials are ignoring their demands for free and fair elections. These issues cannot simply be ignored away or brushed under the rug, they must be confronted and thoroughly examined. We implore you to listen to the pleas of your voters and order the audit.
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Barnyard ruminants will fly before that happens.
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Legislative Leaders Say They See No Evidence To Overturn Biden’s Michigan Win After Meeting With President Trump
https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/20/trump-biden-michigan-electors-chatfield-shirkey/
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@Smokin Joe @skeeter @roamer_1 Maybe a little confirmation of what I said earlier.
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@Smokin Joe @skeeter @roamer_1 Maybe a little confirmation of what I said earlier.
Looks like your source didn't let you down.
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Looks like your source didn't let you down.
Better not ever lie to me! :laugh:
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Maybe a little confirmation of what I said earlier.
:beer:
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@Smokin Joe @skeeter @roamer_1 Maybe a little confirmation of what I said earlier.
@Bigun
IOW, my speculation it was "Brennan's Boyz" might be plausible?
No wonder his most recent tweets are like those of a stuck pig.
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Video–Crowd Heckles Michigan State Senate Leader in D.C. Airport: ‘Certify the Results!’
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Kyle Olson 21 Nov 2020
Activists met Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey in the Washington, DC, airport on Friday and heckled him as he made his way to meet President Trump.
Shirkey and Michigan House Speaker Lee Chatfield met with Trump at the White House that afternoon.
As Shirkey made his way through the terminal, he was heckled and badgered:
more w/video
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/21/video-crowd-heckles-michigan-state-senate-leader-in-d-c-airport/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/21/video-crowd-heckles-michigan-state-senate-leader-in-d-c-airport/)
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Legislative Leaders Say They See No Evidence To Overturn Biden’s Michigan Win After Meeting With President Trump
https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/20/trump-biden-michigan-electors-chatfield-shirkey/
The headline says Biden 'won' the election in Michigan.
The only way that happened is if the election was certified.
It has not been, so this article has an incorrect title.
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The headline says Biden 'won' the election in Michigan.
The only way that happened is if the election was certified.
It has not been, so this article has an incorrect title.
Tell that to the lily-livered GOPe scum that occupies public office in most states. The Senate leader from MI was heckled by protesters in DC, and now probably leads the way to elect Biteme.
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@Bigun
IOW, my speculation it was "Brennan's Boyz" might be plausible?
No wonder his most recent tweets are like those of a stuck pig.
Brennan (Barrak's shake and bake Muslim) has been pissed at Trump since he lost his clearance--an action by POTUS which has proved to be spot on.
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Michigan set to certify election results Monday despite GOP challenge
UPI 22 Nov 2020
Nov. 22 (UPI) — Michigan is set to certify the results of the 2020 election on Monday, amid ongoing challenges by President Donald Trump’s campaign.
Michigan Secretary of State spokeswoman Tracy Wimmer told CNN that the board of state canvassers is expected to certify the election results at their scheduled meeting Monday, despite a call from Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox and Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel to investigate alleged fraud.
“We have no reason to doubt the canvassers will carry out their duty to certify. Every one of Michigan’s 83 counties have done so, Republican and Democrat clerks have confirmed there is no evidence of widespread irregularities and the board has previously certified elections with more clerical mistakes and much narrower margins of victory,†Wimmer said.
President-elect Joe Biden won the state by about 150,000 votes, Cox and McDaniel sent a letter to the canvassing board suggesting it adjourn for 14 days for a “full audit and investigation†before certifying the state’s election results.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/news/michigan-expected-to-certify-election-results-monday-despite-republican-challenge/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/michigan-expected-to-certify-election-results-monday-despite-republican-challenge/)
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BREAKING REPORT: Largest Number of Cluster Votes In Wayne Co. MI Came From Psychiatric Hospital For Patients With Severe Mental Illnesses…And MORE!
By Patty McMurray at 100 Percent FED Up –
Yesterday, data scientist Sarah Eaglesfield tweeted about some interesting facts she uncovered while looking into Wayne County, Michigan’s voter data from the November 2020 election. Her data, so far, explores cluster votes in Michigan’s Wayne County, where hundreds of affidavits have been filed sharing eye-witness accounts of voter fraud and intimidation by paid election workers and officials and Democrat activists present at the TCF Center, where absentee ballots were processed.
Eaglesfield’s
In order – clusters in Wayne County, Michigan with the most votes cast in #Election2020 were:
1. A psychiatric hospital (@NedStaebler is that you?)
This comment directed at Ned Staebler is in reference to his viral, videotaped, unhinged rant directed at the Republican Wayne Co. Board of Canvassers who refused to certify the county’s election last week.
https://americasfreedomfighters.com/cluster-votes/?utm_source=AFF-Mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:6123612&utm_campaign=Dino%20AFF%2011-22-20%20%234
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Largest Number of Cluster Votes In Wayne Co. MI Came From Psychiatric Hospital For Patients With Severe Mental Illnesses.
Clearly, you have to be crazy to vote Democrat.
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Michigan certifies Biden victory in another blow to Trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/527255-michigan-election-board-certifies-biden-win
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Michigan certifies Biden victory in another blow to Trump
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/527255-michigan-election-board-certifies-biden-win (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/527255-michigan-election-board-certifies-biden-win)
I've read and heard that announced a couple of times now. Waiting now for Trump to concede. Hopefully, he will make it short and sweet. Nothing more than ... I concede to Joe Biden. Thank you to all my supporters. End. Walk away with head held high.
Meanwhile, Ronna is saying that they will continue investigating. *****rollingeyes***** Who is she trying to kid? She failed miserably in my eyes in making sure that she as head of the RNC would have had systems in place to ensure a fair election. She's Romney's niece, you know the guy that voted to impeach Trump; would could possibly have gone wrong??
https://www.oann.com/rnc-chair-gop-will-continue-investigation-into-election-fraud/ (https://www.oann.com/rnc-chair-gop-will-continue-investigation-into-election-fraud/)
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I learnt back in 2000 that many legal challenges can't move until after certification, so I don't get the heebie jeebies over stories like this.
It. Is. Far. From. Over!
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Waiting now for Trump to concede. Hopefully, he will make it short and sweet. Nothing more than ... I concede to Joe Biden. Thank you to all my supporters. End. Walk away with head held high.
A scene that will be repeated in 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, etc. if the Democrats are allowed to get away with what they've done this year. Elections have devolved into nothing more than envelope-stuffing and software-hacking exercises for those willing to cheat.
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I learnt back in 2000 that many legal challenges can't move until after certification, so I don't get the heebie jeebies over stories like this.
It. Is. Far. From. Over!
Psalm 23 says "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil". It doesn't say "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death, . . ." It says "the shadow of death". We are being threatened with a shadow. The enemy is trying to bluff us with a shadow to convince us to give up. And how do you get rid of a shadow? Turn on the Light.
We need to shine a light on our election process and reveal all the corruption it contains.
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I learnt back in 2000 that many legal challenges can't move until after certification, so I don't get the heebie jeebies over stories like this.
It. Is. Far. From. Over!
:yowsa: pointing-up
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Psalm 23 says "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil". It doesn't say "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death, . . ." It says "the shadow of death". We are being threatened with a shadow. The enemy is trying to bluff us with a shadow to convince us to give up. And how do you get rid of a shadow? Turn on the Light.
We need to shine a light on our election process and reveal all the corruption it contains.
Precisely.
I have talked civilly with a few who might disagree with me on politics, but I keep the topic narrow to point out we all want this to be fair. To be legal. We have a right to have our vote count, and not be polluted by fraud, no matter who you support. Corruption benefits no one in the long run.
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I learnt back in 2000 that many legal challenges can't move until after certification, so I don't get the heebie jeebies over stories like this.
It. Is. Far. From. Over!
Honestly, I don't see this turning around in our favor.
If the SCOTUS indeed finds its spine there will be blood flowing in the streets.
If the SCOTUS rules against us, I pray many Patriots will go "Postal".
We all need to seriously heed @Lando Lincoln 's suggestion for us to all read "In the Garden of Beasts"
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Perfectly sums up my feelings about now... (sniff...sniff)
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If the SCOTUS indeed finds its spine there will be blood flowing in the streets.
There is always the small chance that the Supreme Court will side with the Constitution.
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A scene that will be repeated in 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, etc. if the Democrats are allowed to get away with what they've done this yeHoar. Elections have devolved into nothing more than envelope-stuffing and software-hacking exercises for those willing to cheat.
@Hoodat
Elections are now nothing more than a polite pretense to democracy.
It's all over but the shooting and the labor camps.
I would like to blame this on the winners,namely the globalist bankers who have been working on owning the world for a few centuries now,but the truth is they could have never done it without us letting them do it.
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I've read and heard that announced a couple of times now. Waiting now for Trump to concede. Hopefully, he will make it short and sweet. Nothing more than ... I concede to Joe Biden. Thank you to all my supporters. End. Walk away with head held high.
Meanwhile, Ronna is saying that they will continue investigating. *****rollingeyes***** Who is she trying to kid? She failed miserably in my eyes in making sure that she as head of the RNC would have had systems in place to ensure a fair election. She's Romney's niece, you know the guy that voted to impeach Trump; would could possibly have gone wrong??
https://www.oann.com/rnc-chair-gop-will-continue-investigation-into-election-fraud/ (https://www.oann.com/rnc-chair-gop-will-continue-investigation-into-election-fraud/)
If I were Trump, I'd get back into the game and run again in 2024. He likes rallies the best anyway. His supporters love the guy. I learned to love (no homo) the guy over the last 4 years. He performance during the George Floyd riots really endeared me to him.
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Jenna Ellis
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Trump Legal Team Statement
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5:08 PM · Nov 24, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1331359074114482176
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Y'all can dismiss this article as it is reported by Yahoo, but so far Giuliani isn't doing Trump or his voters any favors. He keeps blowing a lot of hot air ....but that's about it. He's a NYC liberal.
Giuliani admits to exaggerating claims of voter fraud after saying Detroit had more voters than citizens
Giuliani admits to exaggerating claims of voter fraud after saying Detroit had more voters than citizens
Stephen Proctor
Tue, November 24, 2020, 2:02 AM EST
President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani appeared on Lou Dobbs Tonight Monday and made a startling admission. Not long before Giuliani’s appearance, the Michigan state board of canvassers certified Joe Biden winner of the election in the state. On top of that, Giuliani and Trump’s legal team have suffered dozens of losses in courts in their attempt to prove widespread voter fraud and overturn the results of the election. Giuliani has repeatedly made wild and baseless claims of fraud, but admitted on Monday that he’s exaggerating, at least when it comes to alleged fraud in Detroit.
“The city of Detroit probably had more voters than it had citizens,†Giuliani said. “I’m exaggerating a bit, but all you have to do is look at statistical data and you can see that the fraud was rampant and out of control.â€
The Michigan Department of State has denied claims of widespread voter fraud in the state..........
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/giuliani-admits-exaggerating-claims-voter-fraud-saying-detroit-more-voters-than-citizens-070252221.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/giuliani-admits-exaggerating-claims-voter-fraud-saying-detroit-more-voters-than-citizens-070252221.html)
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'Aight Den. May as well throw out all that stuff the other attorneys are doing more quietly.
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'Aight Den. May as well throw out all that stuff the other attorneys are doing more quietly.
I'm specifically referring to Giuliani --he's Trump's personal attorney. The focus is on him ... and what he does at the end of the day, does matter.
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Giuliani admits to exaggerating claims of voter fraud after saying Detroit had more voters than citizens
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I'm specifically referring to Giuliani --he's Trump's personal attorney. The focus is on him ... and what he does at the end of the day, does matter.
No, but it gives the leftist press an opportunity to rubbish the entire attempt to stamp out the wholesale, unprecedented cheating that just happened. As an added bonus, it gets Trump supporters to be more pessimistic about the nation's future.
It's a two-fer.
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Reminds me of your old Sig Line: Shut UP, Rudy!
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No, but it gives the leftist press an opportunity to rubbish the entire attempt to stamp out the wholesale, unprecedented cheating that just happened. As an added bonus, it gets Trump supporters to be more pessimistic about the nation's future.
It's a two-fer.
The leftists press is rubbish, that's a given .... and FOX News is mostly rubbish as well. IMHO Giuliani belongs in the rubbish category.
As for pessimism about our nation's future ... yes, I'm all in for Trump being reseated and can see some optimism.
If you see any optimism in Sloe Joe being seated; I'd love to hear the sales pitch.
I was hoping that this Thanksgiving we could be thankful for Trump's re-election...
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The leftists press is rubbish, that's a given .... and FOX News is mostly rubbish as well. IMHO Giuliani belongs in the rubbish category.
As for pessimism about our nation's future ... yes, I'm all in for Trump being reseated and can see some optimism.
If you see any optimism in Sloe Joe being seated; I'd love to hear the sales pitch.
I was hoping that this Thanksgiving we could be thankful for Trump's re-election...
Don't look at me, I have no optimism about Sloe Joe and Heels-Up. :shrug:
Even the LIVs that get their news from the worthless Press are starting to notice that something bad happened in this election. It could be one of these things that, if you add five bucks, you can get a cup of burnt cofeve at Starbucks, or it might actually get people angry enough to lobby for reform. Probably the former, but I hope for the latter.
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Kraken released in Michigan!
https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf (https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf)
Related story: https://www.ntd.com/new-suit-in-michigan-alleges-dominion-computer-fraud-and-illegal-conduct-by-election-workers_533007.html (https://www.ntd.com/new-suit-in-michigan-alleges-dominion-computer-fraud-and-illegal-conduct-by-election-workers_533007.html)
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Twitter Suspends Account of State Senator Who Called Pennsylvania Election Hearing (https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitter-suspends-account-of-state-senator-who-called-pennsylvania-election-hearing_3594347.html)
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Twitter Suspends Account of State Senator Who Called Pennsylvania Election Hearing (https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitter-suspends-account-of-state-senator-who-called-pennsylvania-election-hearing_3594347.html)
When will we get to the point that Twitter is breaking the law by suppressing facts concerning criminal behavior?
They have already attacked the Federal Executive branch and legislators.
Will it take them censuring a judge to cross over the line?
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When will we get to the point that Twitter is breaking the law by suppressing facts concerning criminal behavior?
They have already attacked the Federal Executive branch and legislators.
Will it take them censuring a judge to cross over the line?
I think the Judge in NV set us up for a fall, by scheduling the hearing 12/3, he knows he can't be appealed in time, so he's going to throw our case out with a concern of the merits of the case. Because Democrats.
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When will we get to the point that Twitter is breaking the law by suppressing facts concerning criminal behavior?
They have already attacked the Federal Executive branch and legislators.
Will it take them censuring a judge to cross over the line?
@IsailedawayfromFR
Seems to me like they are already breaking the law by NOT reporting the news. They have to have a license to broadcast or publish news,and licenses come with legal obligations. Or should.
The problem is the newspapers have so much money backing them they can keep it is court for decades,and America doesn't have decades left.
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Michigan corruption challenged in lawsuit https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/amistad-project-filed-election-litigation-michigan
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1332377598714925060
12:35 PM · Nov 27, 2020·Twitter for Android
Amistad Project sues to invalidate Michigan election results
The group is claiming 'officials brazenly violated election laws' for partisan gain
Just the News, Nov 27, 2020
he Thomas More Society’s Amistad Project has filed a lawsuit asking Michigan’s Supreme Court to physically secure "all evidence of irregularities in the 2020 election and declare the election results invalid on the basis of unlawful conduct by state and local officials.â€
The group is alleging that election fraud was so rampant and widespread across the state of Michigan as to deprive the people of the state their right to a free and fair election.
"The pattern of lawlessness was so pervasive and widespread that it deprived the people of Michigan of a free and fair election, throwing the integrity of the entire process into question," said Phil Kline, Director of the Amistad Project.
The suit outlines several significant violations by Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and election officials at all tiers of the system. Specifically, the Amistad attorneys note that "Benson circumvented the explicit intent of the Michigan Legislature, which established an absentee ballot process designed to minimize the risk of fraud."
Instead of heeding the process contoured by the Michigan Legislature, Benson sent "unsolicited absentee ballot applications to every household in the state without verifying whether the intended recipients were still residing at the same location, whether they were eligible to vote in 2020, or even whether they were still alive."
The Amistad Project's legal efforts will emphasize past cases in which courts have found that mail-in ballots and absentee ballots are especially susceptible to fraud. They will argue, in this case, that "vulnerability was exacerbated by the numerous irregularities during the vote counting process, particularly in Wayne County, detailed in numerous affidavits included with the Amistad Project’s litigation."
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/amistad-project-filed-election-litigation-michigan
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Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
THREAD: Exhibit 105 of the Michigan filing is the declaration of military intel analyst from 305th who mapped the networks of Dominion Voting Systems & Edison Research.
Liberty Times & Politics
@dmills3710
Michigan Filing: Exhibit 105
Countries/Groups Involved in US Election 2020 Access/Manipulation
Belgrade, Serbia
Iran (address tied to Netherlands server)
China
Canada
HSBC Bank Canada
BMA Capital Management
DVSCORP (Chinese Domain)
Indivisible (formerly ACORN)
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https://twitter.com/dmills3710/status/1332018002674544642 (https://twitter.com/dmills3710/status/1332018002674544642)
11:27 AM · Nov 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1332360502257872898 (https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1332360502257872898)
Link to exhibits: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf)
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pointing-up
Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
Exhibit 105 has to be the most incredible attachment to a lawsuit ever filed in the history of America’s legal system.
11:02 AM · Nov 27, 2020·Twitter for iPad
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1332354042647949312
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pointing-up
Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
Exhibit 105 has to be the most incredible attachment to a lawsuit ever filed in the history of America’s legal system.
11:02 AM · Nov 27, 2020·Twitter for iPad
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1332354042647949312
If proven in court, this is treason. And it requires the proper punishment, up to public execution.
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Amistad Project sues to invalidate Michigan election results
The group is claiming 'officials brazenly violated election laws' for partisan gain
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/amistad-project-filed-election-litigation-michigan
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If proven in court, this is treason. And it requires the proper punishment, up to beginning with public execution.
There, fixed it.
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thebradfordfileâ„¢
@thebradfordfile
I'm not a poll worker, but 781% turnout in one Michigan precinct seems high.
12:10 AM · Nov 28, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/thebradfordfile/status/1332552532749660163
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Michigan’s GOP-Led Legislature Does Not Schedule Hearings with Trump Attorneys like Arizona, Pennsylvania
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/29/michigans-gop-led-legislature-does-not-schedule-hearings-trump-attorneys-arizona-pennsylvania/ (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/29/michigans-gop-led-legislature-does-not-schedule-hearings-trump-attorneys-arizona-pennsylvania/)
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Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
This is very interesting re Michigan vote, media will ignore but they're corrupt and irrelevant.
Michigan Vote Analysis
https://www.scribd.com/document/486098384/Michigan-Vote-Analysis (https://www.scribd.com/document/486098384/Michigan-Vote-Analysis)
8:48 PM · Nov 29, 2020·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1333226369807835137 (https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1333226369807835137)
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Cari Kelemen
@KelemenCari
MI eyewitness: There was a 3 hour lull after midnight at the Detroit Vote Center until the vans came in around 4 in the morning with about 60 boxes of ballots.
1:48 PM · Dec 1, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1333845467357179905
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Team Trump
@TeamTrump
Witness in #MichiganHearing talks about truck of mail-in ballots showing up at 4 a.m. on election night to a polling location
Video: https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1333840867661111301
1:30 PM · Dec 1, 2020·Twitter Media Studio
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Trump Retweeted
RSBN
@RSBNetwork
Watch Live: Michigan State Senate Committee on Oversight Holds Hearing on Election Fraud
Live link: https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1333789500598697987
10:06 AM · Dec 1, 2020·Periscope
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Team Trump
@TeamTrump
Witness at #MichiganHearing says all military ballots she saw looked like "xerox copies" of each other, none were registered Michigan voters and all were for Biden
Video: https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1333816290708951041
11:52 AM · Dec 1, 2020·Twitter Media Studio
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Team Trump
@TeamTrump
Michigan poll challenger: We were NOT able to physically see ballots to verify them
Video: https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1333818430726746120
12:01 PM · Dec 1, 2020·Twitter Media Studio
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Team Trump
@TeamTrump
Poll watcher: I witnessed Republican poll watchers being ejected from the room throughout the night, as people cheered
Video: https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1333841103250993152
1:31 PM · Dec 1, 2020·Twitter Media Studio
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Cari Kelemen
@KelemenCari
MI eyewitness: There was a 3 hour lull after midnight at the Detroit Vote Center until the vans came in around 4 in the morning with about 60 boxes of ballots.
1:48 PM · Dec 1, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1333845467357179905
Each box contained between 500 and 1,000 ballots.
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Each box contained between 500 and 1,000 ballots.
‘No evidence’ of fraud looks awfully conspicuous. I wonder then what ‘evidence’ of fraud might look like?
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A BLM Senator was badgering witnesses in Micigan the morning.
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Dr. Linda Lee Tarver Testifies to What is Really Happening in Michigan
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWE9Qi84I8&feature=youtu.be#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWE9Qi84I8&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWE9Qi84I8&feature=youtu.be)
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Whistleblower witnessed xeroxed-looking copies of pro-Biden military ballot put into system, batches counted 8-10 times
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/12/02/whistleblower-witnessed-xerox-copies-of-pro-biden-military-ballot-put-into-system-batches-counted-8-10-times-1001325/ (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/12/02/whistleblower-witnessed-xerox-copies-of-pro-biden-military-ballot-put-into-system-batches-counted-8-10-times-1001325/)
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Whistleblower witnessed xeroxed-looking copies of pro-Biden military ballot put into system, batches counted 8-10 times
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/12/02/whistleblower-witnessed-xerox-copies-of-pro-biden-military-ballot-put-into-system-batches-counted-8-10-times-1001325/ (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/12/02/whistleblower-witnessed-xerox-copies-of-pro-biden-military-ballot-put-into-system-batches-counted-8-10-times-1001325/)
About a week after the end of the election, I likened this scandal and steal as a dripping faucet that has precipitated a flood. Dimocratic operatives knew it would be impossible to piece together probably 10's of thousands of examples of this fraud, to present in a manner to prove it in time.
Now that Barr has went limp on us, I don't think any of the evidence even gets to SCOTUS.
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Rudy Giuliani to testify in Lansing Wednesday (Dec 2) with allegations of Michigan election fraud (6pm ET)
President’s lawyer says Trump campaign found 300,000 ‘illegitimate ballots’ in Michigan
--- Wednesday’s meeting is taking place at 6 p.m. in room 519 of the Anderson House Office Building in Lansing. ---
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/12/02/rudy-giuliani-set-to-testify-in-lansing-wednesday-with-allegations-of-michigan-election-fraud/ (https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/12/02/rudy-giuliani-set-to-testify-in-lansing-wednesday-with-allegations-of-michigan-election-fraud/)
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LIVE: Trump Attorney Rudy Giuliani at Michigan House Oversight Committee
Dec 2, 2020, 6:00 pm ET
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE&feature=youtu.be#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE&feature=youtu.be)
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OAN will also be covering Rudy's testimony in Michigan live.
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LIVE: Trump Attorney Rudy Giuliani at Michigan House Oversight Committee
Dec 2, 2020, 6:00 pm ET
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE&feature=youtu.be#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUjTOSDZ0BE&feature=youtu.be)
Live stream has started ...
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The democrat wants to swear in Rudy .... the Chair says no ... and now calling a roll.
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The democrat wants to swear in Rudy .... the Chair says no ... and now calling a roll.
Ruling of the Chair stands ... no perjury charge for Rudy.
Rudy reminds the committee he's here as an attorney, not as a witness.
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Jenna's opening is on the responsibilities of legislators. She's impressing me more and more.
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First "witness" is very nervous .... Rudy even asked the committee to go easy on her. happy77
She's an immigrant from India, a citizen since 1995. (Rudy's doing a Q&A with her)
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The India lady --- instructed to falsify dates on ballots -- she has a tape recording. :smokin:
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Supervisor: "Let the people vote without licenses and photo id' --- which also verifies signature on the absentee ballot and envelope. The lady from India did it anyway for her "peace of mind".
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Trevor
@SoCal4Trump
Melissa Carone was contracted to work for Dominion Voting Systems to assist with IT on election night in Detroit. She testifies that she saw the SAME BALLOTS being counted 9-10 times. She says this happened THOUSANDS of times.
Thank you for airing her story @RSBNetwork
Video: !https://twitter.com/SoCal4Trump/status/1334334883762642944
10:13 PM · Dec 2, 2020·Twitter Ads
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First "witness" is very nervous .... Rudy even asked the committee to go easy on her. happy77
She's an immigrant from India, a citizen since 1995. (Rudy's doing a Q&A with her)
Was this the one who, when the time came for questions, Congressthing CJ Johnson simply asked spell her last name in a barely veiled attempt at intimidation? Reminded me of Jack Lemmon in the Out Of Towners.
She also added her middle name, bless her heart.
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Was this the one who, when the time came for questions, Congressthing CJ Johnson simply asked spell her last name in a barely veiled attempt at intimidation? Reminded me of Jack Lemmon in the Out Of Towners.
She also added her middle name, bless her heart.
Cynthia Johnson. Almost as full of ugly as that unmentionable Mayor of Chitcago.
MI Poll Challenger’s Response To Unhinged MI Dem Rep Who Called Her A Liar, Is Mic Drop Moment [VIDEO]
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‘Do you have a point of order?†Chairman Hall asked Rep. Johnson? She responded by demanding that Hima and Andrew Sitto (sitting next to her) be placed under oath.
“May I say something please?†Hima asked. Chairman Hall agreed to let her respond to the vile accusation by the Democrat lawmaker from Detroit. “If that is something you want me to do, I will do it. Can I just say one thing though? If it is a lie, it may change, because a liar has to have a lot of memory power. If it is truth, you can ask me in the middle of the night and it will still be the same thing,†she said looking directly at the horrible lawmaker. The room erupted in cheers!
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-poll-challengers-response-unhinged-mi-dem-rep-called-liar-mic-drop-moment-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-poll-challengers-response-unhinged-mi-dem-rep-called-liar-mic-drop-moment-video/)
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Cynthia Johnson. Almost as full of ugly as that unmentionable Mayor of Chitcago.
MI Poll Challenger’s Response To Unhinged MI Dem Rep Who Called Her A Liar, Is Mic Drop Moment [VIDEO]
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-poll-challengers-response-unhinged-mi-dem-rep-called-liar-mic-drop-moment-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mi-poll-challengers-response-unhinged-mi-dem-rep-called-liar-mic-drop-moment-video/)
Yeah that poll challenger went were no one dare go before - mentioning to racial aspect of what happened at TCF Center that night. Thats what set the congressthing off on the "liar' bit.
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Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq
This is totally unacceptable that a sitting Michigan State Representative would try to intimidate and publicly dox a witness on national television simply because she doesn’t like the witness’s testimony.
Sanctions???
Video: https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1334372799025209344
12:44 AM · Dec 3, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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BRIAN FRASER
@bfraser747
If anyone watched the #MichiganHearings you could not honestly say there's no evidence of voter fraud and corruption from election officials.
I watched with open mind and I'm more convinced than ever. Great job @RudyGiuliani @JennaEllisEsq and the brave witnesses.
Thank you.
10:50 PM · Dec 2, 2020·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/bfraser747/status/1334344162804518912
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Heather Childers
@HeatherChilders
Watch this witness’s response after Michigan Democratic Rep Johnson accuses anyone the witnesses of being liars- #MichiganHearings
Video: https://twitter.com/HeatherChilders/status/1334316526409748480
9:00 PM · Dec 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Team Trump
@TeamTrump
The way Michigan Democrats conducted themselves in the hearing last night was disgraceful!
Jenna Ellis
@JennaEllisEsq
How do you know these witnesses are telling the truth about Democrat intimidation?
Because you’re witnessing Michigan LEGISLATORS openly intimidating them on the floor of this committee, on national television.
8:15 AM · Dec 3, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334486335302881281
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'Aight Den. May as well throw out all that stuff the other attorneys are doing more quietly.
@Cyber Liberty
This: "NEW: PENNSYLVANIA, ARIZONA, MICHIGAN LEGISLATURES TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON 2020 ELECTION"
IT'S THE ELECTORS
What Rudy and Jenna Ellis are doing is this and it is happening in Arizona and they want this in those other states and more states to allow Trump to win:
Voters don't elect the president - the electors do. The state legislature is in charge of how they elect electors. In Texas, the legislature gave the appointment of electors to each political party. The Dems have their electors chosen any way they want to do that, and the Republican Party using whatever method they want to choose their electors. After the election, in December, if the Democrat candidate won the state, their electors go to that December meeting, and vote for the Democrat to be president. If the Republican Party candidate won the election, they send their electors to that meeting to vote for Trump.
The state legislature can take back that plan and the legislature votes for the person THEY think won. In Arizona, that is happening, the legislature took back their plan and they will vote for the person they think won if they take out the fraud ballots. That legislature is going to select themselves as electors and vote for Trump in December, rather than Biden which won the election.
This is what Rudy and Jenna are trying to do in each state - get the legislature of the state to pick their electors from the Republicans in their legislature, go to elector meeting and vote for Trump. :yowsa:
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@Victoria33
Yes, they are making the case that the Elections are beyond any hope of repair. That's why the parade of witnesses with signed and sworn affidavits, attesting to the permanent damage that's been done. I think the Democrats thought Trump would give up and throw in the towel.
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@Victoria33
Yes, they are making the case that the Elections are beyond any hope of repair. That's why the parade of witnesses with signed and sworn affidavits, attesting to the permanent damage that's been done. I think the Democrats thought Trump would give up and throw in the towel.
Ironically, in trying to cover their tracks by destroying evidence, wiping machines, etc, the Democrats have only helped make that case. You cannot straighten out incomplete data, you cannot examine wiped machines, and in that, the Democrats have created an election that cannot be repaired nor resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
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@Victoria33
Yes, they are making the case that the Elections are beyond any hope of repair. That's why the parade of witnesses with signed and sworn affidavits, attesting to the permanent damage that's been done.
The general rule has always been that cheaters are declared to be losers. When one team member breaks a rule, they are disqualified. Shouldn't it be that way with elections as well?
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Ironically, in trying to cover their tracks by destroying evidence, wiping machines, etc, the Democrats have only helped make that case. You cannot straighten out incomplete data, you cannot examine wiped machines, and in that, the Democrats have created an election that cannot be repaired nor resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
The Rats are daring the Courts and State Legislatures to overturn the hopelessly FUBAR elections. They are probably shocked to find the Trump legal team is doing just that. The common threads we are seeing in Giuliani's road show presentations is, "Legislators, damn the torpedoes and do your duty."
They could not have expected this to happen, and it's looking like a good case is being made.
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The Rats are daring the Courts and State Legislatures to overturn the hopelessly FUBAR elections. They are probably shocked to find the Trump legal team is doing just that. The common threads we are seeing in Giuliani's road show presentations is, "Legislators, damn the torpedoes and do your duty."
They could not have expected this to happen, and it's looking like a good case is being made.
I agree, but watching the state reps doesn't give me any confidence they will stand up and do whats right.
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I agree, but watching the state reps doesn't give me any confidence they will stand up and do whats right.
They are definitely the weak link.
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Michigan appeals court delivers latest defeat against Trump campaign lawsuit
The Michigan Court of Appeals on Friday rejected an appeal from the Trump campaign that attempted to stop ballot counting among other alleged issues in the Wolverine State, calling the effort moot.
The 2-1 ruling marks the latest defeat for the Trump campaign, which has filed various lawsuits in an attempt to challenge the election outcome showing President-elect Joe Biden's win.
The court stated that campaign lawyers had not followed proper procedure when filing the suit. Though the appeal initially began on Nov. 6, it was not filed in completion until Nov. 30 — a week after the state had certified its election results, validating Biden's win, according to the filing.
The court found that the only valid recourse at the time would have been to request a recount, but the window to do so had passed.
"Because plaintiff failed to follow the clear law in Michigan relative to such matters, their action is moot,†Judge Stephen Borrello wrote in the order.
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/528857-michigan-appeals-court-delivers-latest-defeat-against-trump-campaign
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So, it's time to give up? (Checking my US Constitution)
Nope. Still not giving up.
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Michigan Board of Elections Orders County Clerks to Delete Vote Data
Kyle Olson 5 Dec 2020
Michigan Republican legislative leaders were not happy on Friday when they learned the Board of Elections (BOE) ordered county clerks to delete election-related data from government computers.
On December 1, the BOE, which is under the auspices of Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D), sent a memo to all clerks about recounts and the “release of voting equipment.â€
One section, titled, “E-Pollbook laptops and flash drives,†read:
The EPB software and associated files must be deleted from all devices by the seventh calendar day following the final canvass and certification of the election (November 30, 2020) unless a petition for recount has been filed and the recount has not been completed, a post-election audit is planned but has not yet been completed, or the deletion of the data has been stayed by an order of the court or the Secretary of State
more
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/michigan-board-of-elections-orders-county-clerks-to-delete-vote-data/ (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/michigan-board-of-elections-orders-county-clerks-to-delete-vote-data/)
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Michigan Board of Elections Orders County Clerks to Delete Vote Data
Kyle Olson 5 Dec 2020
Michigan Republican legislative leaders were not happy on Friday when they learned the Board of Elections (BOE) ordered county clerks to delete election-related data from government computers.
On December 1, the BOE, which is under the auspices of Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D), sent a memo to all clerks about recounts and the “release of voting equipment.â€
One section, titled, “E-Pollbook laptops and flash drives,†read:
more
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/michigan-board-of-elections-orders-county-clerks-to-delete-vote-data/ (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/michigan-board-of-elections-orders-county-clerks-to-delete-vote-data/)
I think the SoS of AZ did the same thing. That smoke you smell is the bridges burning.
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Michigan Board of Elections Orders County Clerks to Delete Vote Data
Kyle Olson 5 Dec 2020
Michigan Republican legislative leaders were not happy on Friday when they learned the Board of Elections (BOE) ordered county clerks to delete election-related data from government computers.
On December 1, the BOE, which is under the auspices of Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D), sent a memo to all clerks about recounts and the “release of voting equipment.â€
One section, titled, “E-Pollbook laptops and flash drives,†read:
more
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/michigan-board-of-elections-orders-county-clerks-to-delete-vote-data/ (https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/michigan-board-of-elections-orders-county-clerks-to-delete-vote-data/)
In a court of law, this is what is called 'obstruction of justice'.
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In a court of law, this is what is called 'obstruction of justice'.
More specifically, "Spoliation of Evidence." A serious crime that points to guilt of the accusations.
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Trump Team Begins Forensic Examination of Dominion Machines in Michigan
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-lawyer-jenna-ellis-judge-granted-access-to-22-dominion-machines-in-michigan_3606613.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-06-2 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-lawyer-jenna-ellis-judge-granted-access-to-22-dominion-machines-in-michigan_3606613.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-06-2)
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Big News: Judge Orders Forensic Audit of 22 Dominion Machines in Michigan, Trump Lawyers Celebrate
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/12/07/big-news-judge-orders-forensic-audit-of-22-dominion-machines-in-michigan-trump-lawyers-celebrate-n290385
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Big News: Judge Orders Forensic Audit of 22 Dominion Machines in Michigan, Trump Lawyers Celebrate
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/12/07/big-news-judge-orders-forensic-audit-of-22-dominion-machines-in-michigan-trump-lawyers-celebrate-n290385
Now that the Trump legal team has found the software backdoor the Democrats exploited in another machine, the audit should move very quickly. I think they discovered which knobs and levers to operate.
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Now that the Trump legal team has found the software backdoor the Democrats exploited in another machine, the audit should move very quickly. I think they discovered which knobs and levers to operate.
...not if the machines are already 'wiped' like Hillary's private server. Haven't we read that wholesale deletions of data are already commencing?
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...not if the machines are already 'wiped' like Hillary's private server. Haven't we read that wholesale deletions of data are already commencing?
It isn't a question of wiping the data, but the algorithm by which the data is corrupted. Corrupt data will be consistently corrupt if the algorithm is intact. which is why just a recount is meaningless. The one in Georgia produced consistent results, even while switching votes.
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...not if the machines are already 'wiped' like Hillary's private server. Haven't we read that wholesale deletions of data are already commencing?
Deleting the vote data is one thing, but updating the software is quite another. It's been demonstrated that if an equal number of ballots for Biteme and Trump are fed into a Dominion tabulator, Sloe Joe gets 26% more votes than Trump. An impossibility.
The experiment, which was repeated in several test trials, had 100 Trump ballots and 100 Biteme ballots, and it turned out Biteme votes were worth 1.26 in the tally, and Trump votes were worth 0.74 each. That's not far from counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person.
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Now that the Trump legal team has found the software backdoor the Democrats exploited in another machine, the audit should move very quickly. I think they discovered which knobs and levers to operate.
See now, this is some substantive news. Will wait for the results with an open mind.
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It isn't a question of wiping the data, but the algorithm by which the data is corrupted. Corrupt data will be consistently corrupt if the algorithm is intact. which is why just a recount is meaningless. The one in Georgia produced consistent results, even while switching votes.
Precisely.
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See now, this is some substantive news. Will wait for the results with an open mind.
Thank you! It's all folks ever really wanted. :beer: :beer:
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See now, this is some substantive news. Will wait for the results with an open mind.
YEP. Me too.
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YEP. Me too.
I am betting more than 37 votes were "switched."
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Thank you! It's all folks ever really wanted. :beer: :beer:
And it wouldn’t be happening if all anyone did was poo-poo the suggestion there was fraud.
‘Scuse me - significant fraud.
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I am betting more than 37 votes were "switched."
Without a doubt in my mind. As I said, the hard part is proving it.
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One America News
@OANN
Mich. citizens demand election audit at Secy. of State’s house - https://oann.com/mich-citizens-demand-election-audit-at-secy-of-states-house/ #OANN
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https://twitter.com/OANN/status/1336005324558331905
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Thank you! It's all folks ever really wanted. :beer: :beer:
@Cyber Liberty
Well,maybe. I am ALMOST to the point where I would like to open a few heads and look around inside their minds to see where the brain farts originate.
And as long as I am there,maybe feed a few stray cats.
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I am betting more than 37 votes were "switched."
That's 37 out of 200 ballots run (100 for each). Divide 200 into the number of ballots tabulated, multiply by 37 and you have the number of votes which should have gone to Trump, and subtract an equal number from the Biden totals.
For every million votes, that's 185,000 more for Trump, and 185,000 less for Biden, a net difference in any Biden lead of 370,000 votes per million ballots.
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Michigan Whistleblower Makes Bombshell Accusation, Claims 50k Ballots Showed Up at 3:30 In Van With Janice Winfrey's Name On It
https://trendingpolitics.com/michigan-whistleblower-makes-bombshell-accusation-claims-5k-ballots-showed-up-at-3-3-in-van-with-janice-winfrey-s-name-on-it/
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Clerk Winfrey's nickname is "Chesty."
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/519e70b3dd198a728f9efe74a59e76efcbe622d3/c=4-0-3260-2448/local/-/media/2017/01/27/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/636211188318074611-Winfrey.JPG?width=534&height=401&fit=crop)
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/09/make-them-pay-michigan-democrat-state-rep-threatens-trump-supporters-cynthia-johnson/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=m_Vt8P1UARaN16daCSzjLe4BdwctRiV6mkdziB2v (https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/09/make-them-pay-michigan-democrat-state-rep-threatens-trump-supporters-cynthia-johnson/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=m_Vt8P1UARaN16daCSzjLe4BdwctRiV6mkdziB2v)
‘Make Them Pay’: Michigan Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Jones Threatens Trump Supporters
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/09/make-them-pay-michigan-democrat-state-rep-threatens-trump-supporters-cynthia-johnson/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=m_Vt8P1UARaN16daCSzjLe4BdwctRiV6mkdziB2v (https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/09/make-them-pay-michigan-democrat-state-rep-threatens-trump-supporters-cynthia-johnson/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=m_Vt8P1UARaN16daCSzjLe4BdwctRiV6mkdziB2v)
‘Make Them Pay’: Michigan Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Jones Threatens Trump Supporters
One step closer to CW, and on an analagous basis, it is about 1856.
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One step closer to CW, and on an analagous basis, it is about 1856.
Yep.
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Melissa Tate
@TheRightMelissa
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
Joe Biden will not set foot in that White House. 170k votes in Michigan have just been discovered to not have a trace to a registered voter in Michigan.
9:29 AM · Dec 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1337404126263734272
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Melissa Tate
@TheRightMelissa
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
Joe Biden will not set foot in that White House. 170k votes in Michigan have just been discovered to not have a trace to a registered voter in Michigan.
9:29 AM · Dec 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1337404126263734272
Melissa Tate
@TheRightMelissa
For those asking, this information is in the Texas lawsuit. 174k ballots in Wayne County Michigan can not be tracked to a registered voter in the state. Full https://supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163493/20201211095822921_TX-v-State-LeaveReply-2020-12-11.pdf
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11:17 AM · Dec 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1337431305546588165
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Candace Owens
@RealCandaceO
This needs to go VIRAL. Michigan has completed a forensic audit of the Dominion voting machines to see if they were rigged— the Attorney General of the state is now BLOCKING the disclosure of the audit results?
WHY??!!
What is Michigan hiding?!
Video: https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1337527990805274627
5:41 PM · Dec 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Michigan attorney moves to release findings from Dominion voting machines forensic audit in Antrim County
A Michigan attorney wants to release the findings from a forensic audit of Dominion Voting Systems equipment for the public to see.
Matthew DePerno, who is representing an Antrim County resident behind a lawsuit challenging a local marijuana retailer proposal, told Newsmax TV on Friday that his broader ambition is to convince state lawmakers to overturn the results of the presidential election with what he says is evidence of voting machine tampering.
"We've called on Mike Shirkey, who is the Senate majority leader in the Michigan Senate, to send a separate slate of electors to Lansing, Republican electors, based on what we think we have found," he told host Greg Kelly, who asked if there was any way to flip Michigan.
"I filed an emergency motion this afternoon with the Antrim County Circuit Court asking them to lift a protective order so that we can release the results of the forensic examination to the American people, to the Michigan House of Representatives, to the Michigan Senate, and to anyone else who wants to see the results so they can judge for themselves how the system operates," DePerno added.
The emergency motion says the "initial preliminary results" are "an issue of national security" and "important for the public, the U.S. government and the Michigan Legislature to review and understand."
William Bailey, a realtor and member of Antrim County’s planning commission, filed the lawsuit to challenge a local marijuana retailer proposal that barely passed after three ballots were not included in a retabulation because they had been damaged.
A judge allowed Bailey and a team to conduct a forensic audit of Dominion hardware last weekend, after which Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson warned of an effort to spread "false information designed to erode the public’s confidence in the election." Michigan Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ruled in favor of the state’s motion during a Thursday hearing conducted virtually over Zoom to allow Benson to intervene in the case.
The case, which lists Antrim County as the defendant, gained outsize publicity and attention from President Trump’s legal team and his allies because of the focus on Dominion voting machines and the forensic audit. Antrim County first drew national headlines a couple of weeks ago after votes were found to be counted incorrectly in unofficial results in the Republican-leaning county. Officials determined it was human error, in particular a failure to update software, that resulted in 6,000 votes erroneously being tabulated for President-elect Joe Biden rather than Trump.
Dominion Voting Systems, whose machines were used in Antrim and in other places across the country, has vociferously denied allegations about the company being involved in a massive voter fraud scheme, billing them as being part of a "disinformation" effort. And although Trump and allies, including attorney Sidney Powell, claim there was widespread fraud that stole the election from the president, high-level members of Trump's own government, including Attorney General William Barr, have said they have not seen evidence to support those claims.
The Trump legal team and other associated groups have filed a litany of lawsuits in the Wolverine State, which Biden won by more than 150,000 votes, and elsewhere seeking to turn the election results, but those efforts have largely fallen flat. They are also hoping to convince GOP-led legislatures in multiple battleground states to dispute Biden's victory and instead send Trump's electors to Congress.
The information gathered in the Antrim County forensic audit on Sunday is subject to a court-issued protective order that restricts the “use, distribution or manipulation of the forensic images and/or other information gleaned from the forensic investigation†without court permission, according to the Traverse City Record-Eagle.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessell's office issued a press release on Friday to respond to "what appears to be a swirl of misinformation being circulated among Republican activists accusing the Department of Attorney General of suppressing information."
This followed former state Sen. Patrick Colbeck, identified as a "Michigan election challenger," telling Fox Business host Lou Dobbs on Thursday in a viral interview that Elsenheimer "ruled in favor of an order that was requested by the attorney general, Dana Nessell of Michigan, to prohibit the disclosure of those forensic results."
Kelly Rossman-McKinney, the communications director of the Michigan Department of Attorney General, said that during Thursday's hearing, "the plaintiff’s attorney indicated that the results of the inspection of the Antrim County tabulator being conducted by the plaintiff and his agents has not been completed. Therefore, no information regarding the inspection has been made available to Judge Elsenheimer, Secretary Benson, or the Department of Attorney General Dana Nessel. Further, this information is already subject to a protective order issued by Judge Elsenheimer.â€
During his Newsmax interview on Friday, DePerno mentioned that his team has been running an analysis of the forensic audit since Sunday.
"The secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, said it happened by human error. We've discovered that's not true. That's a lie," he said, again accusing Dominion of being the perpetrator of fraud.
Dominion CEO John Poulos sent a letter to Michigan Senate Oversight Committee Chairman Ed McBroom, a Republican, saying that his company is open to having a representative testify next week.
“I appreciate the opportunity to correct the baseless and defamatory claims being made about our systems. They are harmful not only to Dominion, but also to the countless hardworking election officials across the State, as well all Michigan public officials elected through a fair process,†Poulos said.
Benson’s office said on Wednesday that a zero-margin risk-limiting audit will be conducted in Antrim County in December to ensure further the veracity of the results and offer increased transparency.
The judge is expected to hold a hearing on DePerno's request to lift the protective order on Monday, the same day Michigan's presidential electors are set to convene in Lansing.
Tags: News, Michigan, Election Lawsuits, 2020 Elections, Campaign 2020, Donald Trump, Campaigns, Law
Original Author: Daniel Chaitin
Original Location: Michigan attorney moves to release findings from Dominion voting machines forensic audit in Antrim County
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michigan-attorney-moves-to-release-findings-from-dominion-voting-machines-forensic-audit-in-antrim-county/ar-BB1bSxSf?fbclid=IwAR0go75OuIcyi579BhdeN1NsGHWtzZE-MY4T1p7sinr82CyakO2MJ09kaPQ (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michigan-attorney-moves-to-release-findings-from-dominion-voting-machines-forensic-audit-in-antrim-county/ar-BB1bSxSf?fbclid=IwAR0go75OuIcyi579BhdeN1NsGHWtzZE-MY4T1p7sinr82CyakO2MJ09kaPQ)
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Antrim County first drew national headlines a couple of weeks ago after votes were found to be counted incorrectly in unofficial results in the Republican-leaning county. Officials determined it was human error, in particular a failure to update software, that resulted in 6,000 votes erroneously being tabulated for President-elect Joe Biden rather than Trump.
Keep in mind that 6,000 more votes for Biden and 6,000 less for Trump is a 12,000 vote difference from the actual results. It does not take a lot of replication along those lines to steal the election, especially in counties which have higher numbers of votes which can hide the switching of votes in sheer numbers.
"The secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, said it happened by human error. We've discovered that's not true. That's a lie," he said, again accusing Dominion of being the perpetrator of fraud.
Dominion CEO John Poulos sent a letter to Michigan Senate Oversight Committee Chairman Ed McBroom, a Republican, saying that his company is open to having a representative testify next week.
“I appreciate the opportunity to correct the baseless and defamatory claims being made about our systems. They are harmful not only to Dominion, but also to the countless hardworking election officials across the State, as well all Michigan public officials elected through a fair process,†Poulos said.
Benson’s office said on Wednesday that a zero-margin risk-limiting audit will be conducted in Antrim County in December to ensure further the veracity of the results and offer increased transparency.
The judge is expected to hold a hearing on DePerno's request to lift the protective order on Monday, the same day Michigan's presidential electors are set to convene in Lansing.
Tags: News, Michigan, Election Lawsuits, 2020 Elections, Campaign 2020, Donald Trump, Campaigns, Law
Original Author: Daniel Chaitin
Original Location: Michigan attorney moves to release findings from Dominion voting machines forensic audit in Antrim County
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michigan-attorney-moves-to-release-findings-from-dominion-voting-machines-forensic-audit-in-antrim-county/ar-BB1bSxSf?fbclid=IwAR0go75OuIcyi579BhdeN1NsGHWtzZE-MY4T1p7sinr82CyakO2MJ09kaPQ (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michigan-attorney-moves-to-release-findings-from-dominion-voting-machines-forensic-audit-in-antrim-county/ar-BB1bSxSf?fbclid=IwAR0go75OuIcyi579BhdeN1NsGHWtzZE-MY4T1p7sinr82CyakO2MJ09kaPQ)
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BREAKING:Michigan judge orders RELEASE of audit report on Dominion voting machines
Election Wizard, December 14, 2020 9:15 AM ET
Moments ago, Michigan state judge Kevin Elensheimer ordered the release of a redacted report on the results of an examination of the Dominion voting machines in Antrim County, Michigan.
The results had been shielded by a protective order, but this morning, Judge Elensheimer removed that order, clearing the way for the audit results to go public.
The judge further ordered that the case move to the discovery phase and mentioned the case could go to trial by April of 2021.
The hearing was conducted by ZOOM and streamed live on YouTube this morning.
The release of the report is a major victory for President Trump and his supporters, who have called into question the Dominion machines.
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https://electionwiz.com/2020/12/14/breaking-michigan-judge-orders-release-of-audit-report-on-dominion-voting-machines/amp/
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Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
It's now confirmed that Dominion Voting Systems switched votes to Joe Biden in Antrim County, Michigan. Here's the evidence of fraud they don't want you to see.
Video: https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1338300376429301761
8:50 PM · Dec 13, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
It's now confirmed that Dominion Voting Systems switched votes to Joe Biden in Antrim County, Michigan. Here's the evidence of fraud they don't want you to see.
Video: https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1338300376429301761
8:50 PM · Dec 13, 2020·Twitter Web App
Had a laugh at the comment..... "If no one listens, is it still evidence?"
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Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
A judge allowed a forensic audit of 22 Dominion voting machines in Antrim County, Michigan last week & now the audit results will be released.
9:48 AM · Dec 14, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1338496193387753474
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Top Michigan Republicans shut down prospect of overturning result for Trump as Electoral College meets
The two top Republican officials in the Michigan state legislature on Monday made clear the state would not award its electors to President Trump as tensions bubble in the state ahead of its formal Electoral College vote.
State Senate majority leader Mike Shirkey (R) and House Speaker Lee Chatfield (R) issued separate statements on Monday making clear the legislature would not appoint electors that undercut the state's popular vote, which Joe Biden won by nearly 140,000 votes. The statements came as Michigan closed its legislative office buildings on Monday due to credible threats of violence.
"Michigan’s Democratic slate of electors should be able to proceed with their duty, free from threats of violence and intimidation," Shirkey said in a statement. "President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect Harris won Michigan’s presidential election. It is our responsibility as leaders to follow the law and move forward in pursuit of policies that contribute to the betterment of Michigan."
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/530110-top-michigan-republicans-shut-down-prospect-of-overturning-result-for-trump
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Michigan Dominion forensic audit results:
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf (https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf)
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Michigan Dominion forensic audit results:
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf (https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf)
Mark Steyn gave what I thought was a RIVETING monologue in his stand-in for Rush in his 1st hour.
About how "Five Judges" feel it's perfectly fine for them change the millennia-held definition of marriage , but not want to get involved in a smack-in-your-face stolen election. For fear that Amy Coney Barrett's ten year-old might be accosted/assaulted, etc..
How the Left wins by sheer intimidation. They have no compunction to order the Republican ballot counting verifiers to "Get OUT!" so they could do their treason.
We have nobody on our side willing to be a social pariah. Willing to fall on the sword. No burning monks.
And unless I completely misunderstood him, he pissed that nobody has even shown ounce of offense.
On Saturday, D.C. police once again, allowed Antifa-like people to assault Pres. Trump supporters, even stabbing more than a few.
Headlines read: Both sides clash again in D.C. protest today.
NO!! Young Conservative women are being whacked with a board in the back of their head. Police funnel pro-Trump crowd to choke points... where they can be physically assaulted and stabbed.
Not a peep.
Just like the European Jew in 1936.
Even if takes declaring Martial Law, it needs to be done.
Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Georgia need to have a 'Purple finger' election with photo ID. Nothing less should be acceptable to the People.
Even if it paints Pres. Trump as some evil dictator, the nation needs to see who the people of those four States voted for.
Historical event in the making. Take the step!!
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Crucial Logs Missing From Antrim County Dominion Voting Machines: Forensics Report
BY IVAN PENTCHOUKOV December 14, 2020 Updated: December 14, 2020
Crucial security and adjudication logs are missing from Dominion Voting Systems machines from Michigan’s Antrim County, according to a forensics report released on Dec. 14 in compliance with a court order.
“Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years; but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing. The adjudication process is the simplest way to manually manipulate votes. The lack of records prevents any form of audit accountability, and their conspicuous absence is extremely suspicious since the files exist for previous years using the same software,†the report, authored by Russell Ramsland, states.
“We must conclude that the 2020 election cycle records have been manually removed.â€
The absence of the adjudication logs is particularly alarming because the forensic exam found that the voting machines rejected an extraordinary number of ballots for adjudication, a manual process in which election workers determine the ultimate outcome for each ballot.
“The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots,†Ramsland said. “We observed an error rate of 68.05 percent. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity.â€
“These errors resulted in overall tabulation errors or ballots being sent to adjudication. This high error rates proves the Dominion Voting System is flawed and does not meet state or federal election laws,†he added. “Because the intentional high error rate generates large numbers of ballots to be adjudicated by election personnel, we must deduce that bulk adjudication occurred. However, because files and adjudication logs are missing, we have not yet determined where the bulk adjudication occurred or who was responsible for it. Our research continues.â€
Ramsland manages the Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG), which includes former Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, and Central Intelligence Agency officials. The group focuses on cybersecurity and open-source network penetration testing.
ASOG examined Dominion products in Antrim County earlier this month as part of an ongoing case. The team inspected and performed forensic duplication on the county’s election management server, which was running Dominion Democracy Suite 5.5.3-002, compact flash cards used by local precincts in their Dominion ImageCast system, USB memory sticks used by Dominion Voter Assist Terminals, and USB memory sticks used for the poll book.
In addition to missing adjudication logs, the examination found that the systems are also missing security logs prior to 11 p.m. on Nov. 4
https://www.theepochtimes.com/crucial-logs-missing-from-antrim-county-dominion-voting-machines-forensics-report_3617768.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-14-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/crucial-logs-missing-from-antrim-county-dominion-voting-machines-forensics-report_3617768.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-14-4)
With the shutdown of the Capitol, the threats by AG toward legislators 'not on board', this state might be about to explode.
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Gee, it's hard to believe the racketeers destroyed evidence that could incriminate them. *****rollingeyes*****
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There is no chance the GOP Michigan Speaker of the House is not in on the fraud.
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There is no chance the GOP Michigan Speaker of the House is not in on the fraud.
One of the main footholds of the Lincoln Project was in MI, due maybe to old Romney connections. Wouldn't be surprised to see several card carrying members in that statehouse.
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Top Michigan Republicans shut down prospect of overturning result for Trump as Electoral College meets
The two top Republican officials in the Michigan state legislature on Monday made clear the state would not award its electors to President Trump as tensions bubble in the state ahead of its formal Electoral College vote.
State Senate majority leader Mike Shirkey (R) and House Speaker Lee Chatfield (R) issued separate statements on Monday making clear the legislature would not appoint electors that undercut the state's popular vote, which Joe Biden won by nearly 140,000 votes. The statements came as Michigan closed its legislative office buildings on Monday due to credible threats of violence.
"Michigan’s Democratic slate of electors should be able to proceed with their duty, free from threats of violence and intimidation," Shirkey said in a statement. "President-elect Biden and Vice President-elect Harris won Michigan’s presidential election. It is our responsibility as leaders to follow the law and move forward in pursuit of policies that contribute to the betterment of Michigan."
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/530110-top-michigan-republicans-shut-down-prospect-of-overturning-result-for-trump
@mystery-ak
It's tempting to demand that the Republican voters in Michigan "reward" them for their betrayal by voting their asses out of office come the next election,but at this point I honestly don't think there is going to BE a "next election".
Or at least no election where common people are allowed to vote,anyhow. The people in office now will just vote for themselves and their replacements when they retire.
Saves we-uns from having to do all that hard "thinking stuff",and after all,they DO know what is best for us.
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Chanel Rion OAN
@ChanelRion
The FEC's allowable Error Rate is 1 in 250k, or, 0.0008%
According to MI Forensics Audit of 16 Dominion Machines, error rate was 68.5% #AlliedSecOpsGroup
MI Dems have since ordered all 83 Counties to DELETE all election and software data from Dominion machines.
12:30 PM · Dec 14, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1338536919056195585
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Chanel Rion OAN
@ChanelRion
The FEC's allowable Error Rate is 1 in 250k, or, 0.0008%
According to MI Forensics Audit of 16 Dominion Machines, error rate was 68.5% #AlliedSecOpsGroup
MI Dems have since ordered all 83 Counties to DELETE all election and software data from Dominion machines.
12:30 PM · Dec 14, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1338536919056195585
It's pitchfork time in Michigan.
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Michigan Dominion forensic audit results:
https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf (https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf)
What I want to know is whether there is ANY of the Dominion machines that have undergone a thorough audit that HAS NOT been found to be inaccurate?
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What I want to know is whether there is ANY of the Dominion machines that have undergone a thorough audit that HAS NOT been found to be inaccurate?
"All of them," except for the few that got caught. Trust them.
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In addition to missing adjudication logs, the examination found that the systems are also missing security logs prior to 11 p.m. on Nov. 4
So someone logged in prior to the election, made changes to the software program, and then logged in again afterwards to cover their tracks.
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It's pitchfork time in Michigan.
I think we've moved past that. Long rifles may be our salvation once again.
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I think we've moved past that. Long rifles may be our salvation once again.
Haha, if I had $100 every time some keyboard warrior conservative talked about taking up arms against the government I'd be rich by now. Bottom line: IT NEVER HAPPENS. They're all talk.
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Haha, if I had $100 every time some keyboard warrior conservative talked about taking up arms against the government I'd be rich by now. Bottom line: IT NEVER HAPPENS. They're all talk.
Tell that to Daniel Morgan.
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Haha, if I had $100 every time some keyboard warrior conservative talked about taking up arms against the government I'd be rich by now. Bottom line: IT NEVER HAPPENS. They're all talk.
You seem to forget. This same governor avoided a kidnapping attempt, with the help of the FBI and the other law enforcement agencies she was slamming.
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You seem to forget. This same governor avoided a kidnapping attempt, with the help of the FBI and the other law enforcement agencies she was slamming.
I never really bought that story. yogi555
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Tell that to Daniel Morgan.
Who wasn't sitting around his basement in his pee stained y fronts, talking about taking up arms against the government, sniffing his own farts all day.
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Who wasn't sitting around his basement in his pee stained y fronts, talking about taking up arms against the government, sniffing his own farts all day.
I think there's a possibility you missed @Hoodat' point...
(Hint: What did Daniel Morgan do for a living prior to the Revolutionary War?)
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I think there's a possibility you missed @Hoodat' point...
(Hint: What did Daniel Morgan do for a living prior to the Revolutionary War?)
He ate Beano by the handful and grew wealthy investing in incontinence pads?
Jk he was a teamster.
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Gee, it's hard to believe the racketeers destroyed evidence that could incriminate them.
The anti-Constitution deep state has been overwhelmingly brazenly and boldly evident this election as it has also been the previous 4 years trying to get Trump out of office by hook and by crook? Destroying evidence, hitlery made that acceptable procedure with her records in the tens of thousands e-mails that should of ended her in prison for a long time. The DNC and clintons crime syndicate rule in government like unembarrassed severely corrupt royalty. Sins of the past just keep multiplying in the present.....Wheres the backbone?
:smokin: 22222frying pan
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BREAKING: Now a *2ND* Forensic Audit is Being
Requested, As Fate of Election Lawsuit in Michigan
Hangs in Balance
BREAKING: Now a *2ND* Forensic Audit is Being Requested, As Fate of Election Lawsuit in Michigan Hangs in Balance
by Kyle Becker
about 13 hours ago
As Arizona’s forensic audit runs into massive resistance in the courts and from the Department of Justice, another forensic audit is being requested as a lawsuit hangs in the balance in the State of Michigan. The fate of the one of the last election lawsuits in the country is set to be decided in court on Monday morning.
“A Monday hearing will determine the fate of one of the last active lawsuits challenging the validity of the 2020 election,” the Traverse Eagle local publication reported. “A 13th Circuit Court judge is scheduled to hear arguments on a defense request to dismiss an Antrim County election-related lawsuit —a move opposed by the plaintiff who, court records show, is instead seeking to expand the case.”
“The case in Antrim County is among the few yet to be adjudicated, records show,” the report continued.
A joint motion requesting Judge Kevin Elsenheimer dismiss the lawsuit has been filed by Assistant Michigan Attorney General Erik Grill , who represents intervener Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, and attorney Haider Kazim, who is representing defendant Antrim County.
more
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-now-a-2nd-forensic-audit-is-being-requested-as-fate-of-election-lawsuit-in-michigan-hangs-in-balance-knab/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation
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Antrim County Attorney DePerno Releases BOMBSHELL Report – Claims County Voting Machines Were Remotely Logged into – Decertifies Entire Antrim Election
https://twitter.com/mdeperno/status/1402508089958490114
more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/antrim-county-attorney-deperno-releases-bombshell-report-claims-county-voting-machines-remotely-logged-decertifies-entire-antrim-election/
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Antrim County Attorney DePerno Releases BOMBSHELL Report – Claims County Voting Machines Were Remotely Logged into – Decertifies Entire Antrim Election
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Individual machines remotely logged into? Wow, if there is proof.
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Audit Info so far:
AZ: Wrapping up the examination of the 2.3 Million ballots by June 14. Moving now to examining the scanning and tabulation equipment.
GA: State has sent Senators to AZ to review the procedure in use here.
PA: State has sent Senators to AZ to review.
If MI and WI send people here that would be all five "swing states."
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BREAKING News Out Of MICHIGAN- HERE IT IS!!!
By Duncan Smith (TNS)
If you’ve been watching hearings the Trump legal team has had with various state legislators in recent weeks, you understand what the strategy is,
While the team is continuing to take their claims of mass election fraud to various courts, only to see them dismissed out of hand by coward judges who refuse to do the right thing, they are also working GOP legislatures.
The objective is to convince as many of them as possible to either re-award their electors to the rightful winner of the 2020 election — President Donald Trump — or withhold them from both candidates under the guise that results appear to be too tainted to trust.
https://americasfreedomfighters.com/breaking-news-out-of-michigan-here-it-is/?utm_source=AFF-Mailer-WU&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:32406087&utm_campaign=Dino%20AFF%202-12-21%20NUM%201/%20July%2018%2021%20(Duplicate%20%231)
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Judge grills attorneys over suit challenging Michigan results
By Harper Neidig - 07/12/21 03:10 PM EDT
A federal judge grilled attorneys involved in a lawsuit that sought to overturn Michigan's election results during a hearing Monday over whether the lawyers should be sanctioned for their conduct in the case.
U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker posed pointed questions for the attorneys who made baseless claims in court that widespread election fraud caused former President Trump to lose the state to President Biden.
Parker appeared concerned that the affidavits submitted by the plaintiffs' attorneys to support their election fraud claims may have violated the rules of professional conduct governing lawyers in federal court.
"I need to point out here that my concern is that the counsel here have submitted affidavits that suggest and make the public believe that there was something wrong with the election and that is what this is all about," said the judge, who was appointed by former President Obama. "That's what these affidavits were designed to show, that there was something wrong in Michigan, there was something wrong in Wayne County."
The lengthy and crowded virtual hearing was contentious, with attorneys clashing with each other and the judge, as several filings were scrutinized one by one for their propriety.
more
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/562582-judge-grills-attorneys-facing-potential-sanctions-over-lawsuit
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Intimidate, demean, and persecute in every conceivable way but never look at the actual evidence.
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An O'Bastard appointee. The following picture is offered without comment:
(https://tennesseestar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Judge-Linda-Parker-MI-E-District-Detroit_840x480.jpg)
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U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker posed pointed questions for the attorneys who made baseless claims in court that widespread election fraud caused former President Trump to lose the state to President Biden.
How do they know the claims are baseless? Isn't the whole point of the lawsuit to provide that basis?
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How do they know the claims are baseless? Isn't the whole point of the lawsuit to provide that basis?
It's The Hill. Inserting the word "baseless" into every story about the chicanery (they call the election of 2020) is built into their word processors, like spell check. Every. Damned. Time.
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How do they know the claims are baseless?
@Hoodat
A better question might be "If the claims are baseless,why are the Dims so worried about them?
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Another Whistleblower Steps Forward
By
Matthew Holloway -
August 14, 2021
The new whistleblower will make the fourth since May 2021 to come forward in a Michigan State Senate Oversight Committee hearing which the mainstream media and the leftists desperately tried to ignore.
The three whistleblowers who testified described everything from “Not one of the military ballots was a registered voter, and the ballots looked like they were all exactly the same Xerox copies of the ballot. They were all for Biden across the board.” to “countless workers rescanning the batches without discarding them first”, even poll workers deciding unilaterally to give overvotes to the Democrats.
The Gateway Pundit reported,
https://deepstaterabbithole.com/another-whistleblower-steps-forward/?utm_source=DRH%20Warm%20Up%202021&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:32996832&utm_campaign=Another%20Whistleblower%20Steps%20Forward
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBMqysCUUAAcXb0?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Court Fight in Michigan Over Dead People on Voter Lists Heats Up
Steven Kovac | December 19, 2021 | Updated: December 20, 2021
How many dead people should remain on Michigan voter rolls? The answer may be determined by a federal judge.
The Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) on Nov. 3 sued Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, for allegedly failing to remove from the state’s voter rolls the names of 26,000 registered voters who have either died or moved away.
According to PILF President J. Christian Adams, the failure to remove the names “creates an opportunity for fraud.”
The lawsuit also alleges that 334 people registered to vote after they died, with 15 of those registrations occurring in 2020. . . .
https://www.theepochtimes.com/court-fight-over-dead-people-on-voter-lists-heats-up-in-michigan_4162130.html
Dead people on the voter rolls in Michigan, and Democrats are actively fighting against having those dead voters purged.
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9999hair out0000
"Here’s a woman dropping off stacks of mail-in ballots in a drop box in Detroit before she realizes they aren’t signed" (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1517124616149417984
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The FeeBIes an hunt down people from 1/6 all over,but not people who violate the most sacrosanct process in any democracy or representative government?