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General Category => Editorial/Opinion/Blogs => Topic started by: ABX on September 13, 2016, 08:32:39 pm
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The long knives are out for #NeverTrump. As the election quickly approaches, many Trump supporters seem intent on browbeating conservatives who say they won’t vote for Trump into supporting Trump – or at least into silence. The chief tool in their arsenal is the fully intellectually dishonest line, “If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
This mistakes secondary effect for primary motivation......
http://www.dailywire.com/news/9101/stop-lying-nevertrump-doesnt-want-hillary-be-ben-shapiro?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro
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Thats sop for the Trumpsters...."you don't like Trump...well then, you must want Hillary to be president!"
That reminds of the Dems who accused Republican congressmen of wanting to kill children and old people because the rate increase the Pubbies wanted for the programs aimed at children or the elderly weren't as large as what the Dems wanted.
Therefore, in Dem "logic", because the Pubbies were skeptical of or didn't want to spend as much money as the Dems, Pubbies wanted to kill children and old people.
Its almost useless trying to argue with many Trumpsters....even if you, like me, might end up pulling the lever for the Orange Toad. But that's not enough for the Trumpsters....you have to worship His Orangeness.
Sorry Trumpsters....I'm looking at two unqualified prez candidates of whom one, Trump, is only slightly better than the other one.
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Thats sop for the Trumpsters...."you don't like Trump...well then, you must want Hillary to be president!"
That reminds of the Dems who accused Republican congressmen of wanting to kill children and old people because the rate increase the Pubbies wanted for the programs aimed at children or the elderly weren't as large as what the Dems wanted.
Therefore, in Dem "logic", because the Pubbies were skeptical of or didn't want to spend as much money as the Dems, Pubbies wanted to kill children and old people.
Its almost useless trying to argue with many Trumpsters....even if you, like me, might end up pulling the lever for the Orange Toad. But that's not enough for the Trumpsters....you have to worship His Orangeness.
Sorry Trumpsters....I'm looking at two unqualified prez candidates of whom one, Trump, is only slightly better than the other one.
It is actually right out of classical propaganda technique including Alinsky's Rules for Radicals*. Force people to have a false choice.
20 False Dilemma known by many names, including “black- and-white thinking,” “false dichotomy,” and “false choice” reducing a complex argument to a small number of alternatives and concluding that only one option is appropriate
21 False Dilemma In this kind of propaganda One product always works, and the other never works.One group intends to save the country, and the other is trying to ruin it.
22 False Dilemma most often in political and ethical discourse One option is described as being good, and the other is made to seem bad, or even evil oversimplifies the situation and denies the existence of any neutral ground You are either an ally or an enemy.
http://slideplayer.com/slide/7935585/
* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
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They are going to keep doing it, because it is all they have.
The intent of Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse was to destroy any Conservative opposition to Hildabeast. Trump not only did that, but also did the Establishment a huge favor by wiping out the Tea Party movement itself, co-opting it and employing Democrat/Alinsky attacks to render Conservatives who will not support Trump with everything from being in Hillary's camp to being a traitor that needs to be shot and killed for treason.
Pile on Ron Paul Mob Zombie retreads from 2012, white supremacists desperate for a voice and watch Trump repeat every single cartoon caricature ever made of the Conservative image by the Left.
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“If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
This is a deliberately misleading and false statement presented as an absolute. What any logical rational person, whether they support Trump or not, is saying is that NeverTrump is helping Hillary.
Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
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“If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
This is a deliberately misleading and false statement presented as an absolute. What any logical rational person, whether they support Trump or not, is saying is that NeverTrump is helping Hillary.
Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
Exactly right.
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Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
Of course. No willful blindness here. I'll grant you everything you say about Clinton. What I say is Trump's worse.
Any "willful blindness" is on the part of those that can't see the threat of fascism that Trump represents.
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Of course. No willful blindness here. I'll grant you everything you say about Clinton. What I say is Trump's worse.
Any "willful blindness" is on the part of those that can't see the threat of fascism that Trump represents.
Good for you! @Jazzhead. My respect for you has skyrocketed. I disagree with you on Trump, but I respect your honesty about Clinton.
I had resigned myself that I would never hear a NeverTrump admit the glaring obvious truth in front of everyone's eyes.
Thank you for that. I feel better now.
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They won't stop lying. It's what leftists do.
The idea that Conservatives want Hillary to win is so dopey it wouldn't pass a 3rd graders logic, and yet they continue to regurgitate the lie.
As @INVAR said above........ it's all they have. There is absolutely NO reason to vote FOR Trump. He is a despicable person, a horrible candidate, a hard-core liberal, and a pathological liar.
So to try to get us to vote for him, they just keep lying.
And failing.......
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Thats sop for the Trumpsters...."you don't like Trump...well then, you must want Hillary to be president!"
That reminds of the Dems who accused Republican congressmen of wanting to kill children and old people because the rate increase the Pubbies wanted for the programs aimed at children or the elderly weren't as large as what the Dems wanted.
Therefore, in Dem "logic", because the Pubbies were skeptical of or didn't want to spend as much money as the Dems, Pubbies wanted to kill children and old people.
Its almost useless trying to argue with many Trumpsters....even if you, like me, might end up pulling the lever for the Orange Toad. But that's not enough for the Trumpsters....you have to worship His Orangeness.
Sorry Trumpsters....I'm looking at two unqualified prez candidates of whom one, Trump, is only slightly better than the other one.
If you factor in the insanity, you'd be hard pressed to prove that he's even 'slightly' better than Hillary.
As I see it, evil is evil, and I'm not voting for either.
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I don't believe that the #NeverTrump crowd wants Hillary to be president, but I do believe they are obsessed with bringing Trump down.
There is a long tradition of Republicans unhappy with the nominee shutting up during the general election. But for reasons I don't understand, the #NeverTrump crowd seems intent on intentionally sabotaging Trump as opposed to just letting the electorate make its choice.
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“If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
This is a deliberately misleading and false statement presented as an absolute. What any logical rational person, whether they support Trump or not, is saying is that NeverTrump is helping Hillary.
Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
A third person said, “I agree with the analysis of both candidates, which is why I won’t vote for either. I’ll either abstain or vote for a third-party candidate.”
This caused the anti-Trump spokesperson to protest, “To not vote for Clinton is to vote for Trump.” To which the anti-Hillary advocate countered, “No, to not vote for Trump is to vote for Clinton.” Finally, the abstainer replied, “So I vote twice by doing nothing? I didn’t realize inaction was so powerful!”
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,224974.msg1053941.html#msg1053941
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When not voting for Hillary has the same impact as not voting for Trump, it is rather silly to claim it helps one side over the other.
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“If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
This is a deliberately misleading and false statement presented as an absolute. What any logical rational person, whether they support Trump or not, is saying is that NeverTrump is helping Hillary.
Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
Ah, but you have, like so many others in the Trump caucus, made a crucial error:
You have assumed our votes are Republican by default, and thus assume our vote is actually moving in a direction from the default position by not voting for the Republican.
As I have pointed out in my signature, no candidate or party is entitled to my vote by default.
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Exactly right.
Exactly wrong. I support Hillary only if I vote for her and/or campaign for her. You could say the same thing about people who vote for Libertarians. I guess Libertarians should not be allowed to promote or vote for their candidate, because they would be "helping" Hillary.
What you still fail to grasp is the NeverTrumpers (I am not one) and the NeverHillarys have good reasons to oppose both. Voting for either candidate would indicate that people are either complacent or promoting either candidate. The people who oppose both Trump and Clinton see both as dangerous to the health of the republic. By not voting for either one they are supporting the Republic.
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I don't believe that the #NeverTrump crowd wants Hillary to be president, but I do believe they are obsessed with bringing Trump down.
There is a long tradition of Republicans unhappy with the nominee shutting up during the general election. But for reasons I don't understand, the #NeverTrump crowd seems intent on intentionally sabotaging Trump as opposed to just letting the electorate make its choice.
I disagree with your assessment @massadvj . While there may be some who are obsessed with "bringing Trump down," I believe the vast majority of us are just "obsessed" with Conservatism and Constitutional principles, and distressed that the nominee who is supposed to be in our corner....... at least to a degree........ is completely opposed to everything we believe.
There is a huge difference between Trump and any past candidate in that Trump is not even a moderate/liberal Republican. He is a full out leftist.
Just. Like. Hillary.
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Just. Like. Hillary.
He is a terrible representative of the GOP. Agreed. But Hillary is worse by a whisker because she empowers the other party.
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If Trump is working for Clinton then both sides are helping so it's a bit of a catch 22. We've been had.
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He is a terrible representative of the GOP. Agreed. But Hillary is worse by a whisker because she empowers the other party.
That's a debatable point. Is the enemy within not more dangerous than the enemy without?
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Stop Lying: #NeverTrump Doesn't 'Want' Hillary To Be President. That's Dumb.
MIRVIN doesn't want to be hit by the car coming at him, but he still doesn't want to move from his principled spot in the road.
And since I'm pretty sure that Hillary won't step down,
and Trump will take her spot on the DNC ticket,
and we get to nominate Cruz or Walker to fill the RNC ticket,
and the Libertarian Party becomes a real party so they can get their second electoral vote since the only other one they got in 1972,
and more than 50 people will ever hear the name Darrell Castle
..... I'm going to have to pull the switch for Trump, walk behind the school gym, and puke.
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“If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
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Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
@240B
Here we go with this crock of sh!t lie again.
Let's play your game. Right now, Nigeria, Cameroon, Niger, and Chad are all fighting against Boko Haram. The United States has the military might to put 100,000 boots on the ground and all but crush Boko Haram. We choose not to.
So, since we aren't supporting Nigeria, Cameroon, Niger and Chad like we *could be* we are "helping Boko Haram to win?"
Really?
Stop. Your logical fallacy has been exposed one too many times. Now you are just embarrassing yourself by spouting the same old crap, over and over again.
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He is a terrible representative of the GOP. Agreed. But Hillary is worse by a whisker because she empowers the other party.
@massadvj
No. Right now we are standing under the shadow of 20T in debt. We are about to get crushed when the sovereign debt house of cards comes crashing down.
If we had elected a true conservative, we might have had a chance to start reversing the problem and deal with it. Painfully, of course, but deal with it.
Instead, we have a choice between one of two NY big-spending liberals. If you believe like I do, that Trump will only exacerbate and accelerate the sovereign debt problem, then - when the whole thing collapses - if a Republican is in power, the American people will blame the conservatives. This is how they operate. The electorate as a whole has almost no long-term memory, nor ability to understand the true genesis of a problem. Their fires will be stoked by the democrats and a willing press, allowing the GOP to be blamed for it all, and ensuring that conservative concepts are swept aside for generations in favor of socialist solutions designed to "save" us.
This is how socialists come to power. Trump will do NOTHING to stop it - he'll just ensure it happens.
If Hillary is president when the house of cards comes tumbling down, we'll at least have a chance to say, "See! It is the big spending liberals and their unsustainable socialist agenda that caused this!" Since we won't have a compliant press, we won't be assured to bury the libtards, but we'll at least have a fighting chance to get our side heard.
So there you have it:
1. Vote Trump. Watch him betray you AND watch conservatives get blamed for generations when the sovereign debt crisis is fully realized.
2. Vote Hillary. Watch her screw up the country AND watch conservatives have a fighting chance to finally shine a light on the truth about whose fault it is.
Sometimes it makes sense to give the other side a Pyrrhic victory.
(I should point out that I don't want Hillary to win, nor do I intend on helping her win. This is to answer the question about who is ultimately *worse*. They are both very, very bad. I intend on helping neither - let those who enjoy eating crap sandwiches eat from this year's buffet.)
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That's a debatable point. Is the enemy within not more dangerous than the enemy without?
It is debatable. And that is why I am refraining from overt criticism of Trump until after the election. If the electorate chooses Hillary, it will not be because of anything I said or did to disengage people from Trump.
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It is debatable. And that is why I am refraining from overt criticism of Trump until after the election. If the electorate chooses Hillary, it will not be because of anything I said or did to disengage people from Trump.
People who are going to vote for Trump are not likely to be dissuaded by anything any of us say.
Trump himself is all anyone needs to assess whether or not he is worthy of their votes.
And if they look hard, it's going to be difficult to impossible to pull the lever for him.
I am on the record as saying I understand, though disagree with the decision to vote for him as slightly better than Hillary.
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Good for you! @Jazzhead. My respect for you has skyrocketed. I disagree with you on Trump, but I respect your honesty about Clinton.
I had resigned myself that I would never hear a NeverTrump admit the glaring obvious truth in front of everyone's eyes.
Thank you for that. I feel better now.
To be clear I don't "want" Hillary to be elected. That's why I advocated as I did for the candidate that was in the best position to defeat her. But now it's Clinton vs. Trump, and it's time to choose which one is least horrible.
Although, as I've pointed out before, the binary choice we face is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The most productive thing we can perhaps do at this point is vote third party, to try to free ourselves from this rancid two-party system that have given us choices that make honest men and women vomit.
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@massadvj
No. Right now we are standing under the shadow of 20T in debt. We are about to get crushed when the sovereign debt house of cards comes crashing down.
If we had elected a true conservative, we might have had a chance to start reversing the problem and deal with it. Painfully, of course, but deal with it.
Instead, we have a choice between one of two NY big-spending liberals. If you believe like I do, that Trump will only exacerbate and accelerate the sovereign debt problem, then - when the whole thing collapses - if a Republican is in power, the American people will blame the conservatives. This is how they operate. The electorate as a whole has almost no long-term memory, nor ability to understand the true genesis of a problem. Their fires will be stoked by the democrats and a willing press, allowing the GOP to be blamed for it all, and ensuring that conservative concepts are swept aside for generations in favor of socialist solutions designed to "save" us.
This is how socialists come to power. Trump will do NOTHING to stop it - he'll just ensure it happens.
If Hillary is president when the house of cards comes tumbling down, we'll at least have a chance to say, "See! It is the big spending liberals and their unsustainable socialist agenda that caused this!" Since we won't have a compliant press, we won't be assured to bury the libtards, but we'll at least have a fighting chance to get our side heard.
So there you have it:
1. Vote Trump. Watch him betray you AND watch conservatives get blamed for generations when the sovereign debt crisis is fully realized.
2. Vote Hillary. Watch her screw up the country AND watch conservatives have a fighting chance to finally shine a light on the truth about whose fault it is.
Sometimes it makes sense to give the other side a Pyrrhic victory.
(I should point out that I don't want Hillary to win, nor do I intend on helping her win. This is to answer the question about who is ultimately *worse*. They are both very, very bad. I intend on helping neither - let those who enjoy eating crap sandwiches eat from this year's buffet.)
A perfect analogy of how....we're damned if we do (vote for Trump and Trump wins) and damned if we don't (don't vote for Trump and Hillary wins). And since I am still convinced that Trump is not 'in it to win it'....any vote for Trump of mine would be wasted anyway.
And....since we're damned either way, I'm voting for Castle. At least I will have voted MY principles and conscience. Let everyone else do as they please.
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I don't believe that the #NeverTrump crowd wants Hillary to be president, but I do believe they are obsessed with bringing Trump down.
There is a long tradition of Republicans unhappy with the nominee shutting up during the general election. But for reasons I don't understand, the #NeverTrump crowd seems intent on intentionally sabotaging Trump as opposed to just letting the electorate make its choice.
Trump is a terrible human being, as in the worst breathing biped alive. I am doing all I can to prevent a man as ignorant and crude as he from sullying the Oval Office.
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A perfect analogy of how....we're damned if we do (vote for Trump and Trump wins) and damned if we don't (don't vote for Trump and Hillary wins). And since I am still convinced that Trump is not 'in it to win it'....any vote for Trump of mine would be wasted anyway.
And....since we're damned either way, I'm voting for Castle. At least I will have voted MY principles and conscience. Let everyone else do as they please.
Personally, I intend to vote for Johnson, unless it is very close in Pennsylvania, in which case I will have to consider holding my nose.
But I have to admit i am happy to see Trump doing well, as I absolutely hate Hillary Clinton, and I hope like hell she gets her corrupt butt kicked.
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A perfect analogy of how....we're damned if we do (vote for Trump and Trump wins) and damned if we don't (don't vote for Trump and Hillary wins). And since I am still convinced that Trump is not 'in it to win it'....any vote for Trump of mine would be wasted anyway.
And....since we're damned either way, I'm voting for Castle. At least I will have voted MY principles and conscience. Let everyone else do as they please.
That's where I am, and where I've been for a while.
Since Castle is on the ballot in Ohio, I can vote with a clear conscience and not help either despicable, corrupt leftist win.
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
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Here we go with this crock of sh!t lie again.
Let's play your game. Right now, Nigeria, Cameroon, Niger, and Chad are all fighting against Boko Haram. The United States has the military might to put 100,000 boots on the ground and all but crush Boko Haram. We choose not to.
So, since we aren't supporting Nigeria, Cameroon, Niger and Chad like we *could be* we are "helping Boko Haram to win?"
Really?
Stop. Your logical fallacy has been exposed one too many times. Now you are just embarrassing yourself by spouting the same old crap, over and over again.
Quoting myself for @GAJohnnie 's benefit, because apparently he wants to stick with this logical fallacy.
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
Oh, no, One Note Johnnie....... it is precisely BECAUSE we are thinking that we can't vote for Trump.
As for "childish petulance".................. your god has it in spades. It's rather hypocritical of you to accuse others of being what your guy Trump is and that you apparently find admirable. You should be cheering us on for our childishness since you adore that quality in Trump, don't you think?
Then again........ maybe Trump spammers don't really think at all........
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And, in case @GAJohnnie or any of the Trumpettes still don't understand why it's a logical fallacy, let's outline in terms even a Trumpette can understand:
@Frank Cannon only drinks scotch. One year, Frank goes to his class reunion and there is only wine and beer to drink. Frank says he would *never* be caught dead drinking wine. So, therefore, he must *want* a beer? Or, is he *obligated* to drink beer? Is he *supporting* "team beer" because he refuses to drink wine OR beer?
In the same vein, bolobaby only votes for conservatives. One election year, the so-called "conservative" party decides to nominate a NY liberal shyster. bolobaby says he would *never* be caught dead voting for that two-faced charlatan who fooled the rubes in the primary. So, therefore...?
Trumpette insistence on supporting this laughable logical fallacy actually only ensures that they will never win any converts. Every time they bring it up in lieu of actually presenting REAL arguments for why Trump should be trusted only serves to demonstrate that Trumpettes truly are amazingly ignorant and not really the kind of people with whom I want to be associated. I mean - seriously - when I point out to a Trumpette the CLEAR hole in the argument... plainly show that X does not follow Y... and they insist on repeating the same dumb-arse argument over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over...
Well, c'mon. Why would I *ever* hitch my wagon to such an embarrassing bunch of sycophantic parrots?
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
Accept the reality that some of us have minimum standards for those that receive our vote. Calling us and our motives childish names isn't helping anyone.
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Accept the reality that some of us have minimum standards for those that receive our vote. Calling us and our motives childish names isn't helping anyone.
Someone not connected to the Clinton's would be a good minimum for openers.
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
And if we don't do as you demand? What do you intend to do about it?
Shoot us as some of your compatriots are threatening because we will not vote the way you demand?
You people and your prince are a bigger clear and present danger to my liberties than Hillary and her ilk are.
I plan on making sure as many people write-in or vote third party in November.
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Trump supporters, #NeverTrump, and a third group, the "Never #NeverTrump": http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/09/13/neverhillary-nevertrump-never-nevertrump-thing-hobo-wears-bubble-beard/
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
ROTFLMO!!!
Actively working against both NT liberals does not help either one, and I really don't care at all which one gets into office - Though I would highly prefer that neither one does... Which is why I am promoting and supporting an actual Conservative in Castle.
What is petulant is to expect ACTUAL Conservatives, that stand upon Conservative principle (always have and always will) to throw those very principles (every_single_one of them, mind you) away, in order to help you elect the very things they stand against, and have always stood against... It is the height of folly, and nothing short of a childish hissy fit, when they predictably refuse to do so.
Next time, if you want the Conservative vote, nominate an actual Conservative, and we'll all be happy. But this lesser evil bullcrap ain't gonna work no more (not that it ever did).
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“If you won’t support Trump, you want Hillary Clinton to be elected.”
This is a deliberately misleading and false statement presented as an absolute. What any logical rational person, whether they support Trump or not, is saying is that NeverTrump is helping Hillary.
Whether or not #NeverTrump 'wants' Hillary to be elected is irrelevant and is not the point. The only single point is that #NeverTrump is helping Hillary to be elected. Willful blindness and a stubborn refusal to admit the obvious does not change the reality of the situation.
We'll simply argue, truthfully, that those who pushed Trump on us are the ones responsible for getting Hillary elected. There was only one Republican candidate with huge negatives - and that's your guy. Virtually any other candidate would beat Hillary in a landslide. Don't come around after the fact and try to claim it is anyone else's fault other than those who imposed this vile man on us in the first place. I refuse to vote for any New York liberal. Whether there's a R or D after the liberal candidate's name means zip.
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We'll simply argue, truthfully, that those who pushed Trump on us are the ones responsible for getting Hillary elected. There was only one Republican candidate with huge negatives - and that's your guy. Virtually any other candidate would beat Hillary in a landslide.
Really. You mean one of the other 16 candidates who couldn't win the primaries would have gone on to win the general election? :facepalm2:
Don't come around after the fact and try to claim it is anyone else's fault other than those who imposed this vile man on us in the first place.
The voters chose Donald J. Trump. This "imposed" :bs: is not only stale, it shows an alarming lack of understanding on your part about how the US election system works. I respectfully suggest you educate yourself on the subject.
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Really. You mean one of the other 16 candidates who couldn't win the primaries would have gone on to win the general election? :facepalm2:
Simply put - Yes.
The voters chose Donald J. Trump. This "imposed" :bs: is not only stale, it shows an alarming lack of understanding on your part about how the US election system works. I respectfully suggest you educate yourself on the subject.
A majority of republican primary voters did not want Trump. I respectfully suggest you educate yourself on the difference between a plurality and a majority.
A minority of Trumpettes imposed their candidate on the majority of Anyone But Trump because there were too many candidates in the primary this year for too long.
Your candidate sucks, and the majority of primary voters knew it, they just couldn't decide on which alternative to pick because there were SO MANY better choices than Trump.
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
You need a new schtict! That one isn't working!
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Really. You mean one of the other 16 candidates who couldn't win the primaries would have gone on to win the general election? :facepalm2:
You keep telling us one of them will be to blame when Trump loses. Can't have it both ways. :whistle:
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Really. You mean one of the other 16 candidates who couldn't win the primaries would have gone on to win the general election? :facepalm2:
Yep! At a walk!
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My two cents...
Just because....we are now in an era of lowered expectations re: presidential candidate quality....
it does not mean that we conservatives have to accept those lowered expectations or approve of it by voting for either flawed candidate. The problems with our nation are systemic and this election fiasco is just one symptom of our national illness. We need to change things from the inside out...and that will take resolve, commitment and a revived conservative movement. And that will take strong conservative leaders. Not just 'one' man or one conservative willing to fight for his beliefs.
Considering that the current Democratic Party candidate is a Marxist, and that the current Republican Party candidate is a former Democrat, New York liberal.....neither candidate will do anything but hasten our demise as a free nation.
If we have any hope at all to save America from imminent economic collapse, we have to change the 'minds' of voters. The problem with that reality is.... most of the voters of today don't have minds to change. At least, not minds of their own. They are too easily led, distracted and swayed by hyperbole, phony campaign promises and pie-in-the-sky "hopes" that they'll get what benefits them personally the most. Not much concern or care for the nation's well being any more.
So there we are. We're reached the point where the majority can 'vote in' what is in their own personal best interests. Is it any wonder that we are now a failing nation?
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Really. You mean one of the other 16 candidates who couldn't win the primaries would have gone on to win the general election? :facepalm2:
The voters chose Donald J. Trump. This "imposed" :bs: is not only stale, it shows an alarming lack of understanding on your part about how the US election system works. I respectfully suggest you educate yourself on the subject.
You really do live in a cave. If either party had the courage to replace their candidate with virtually anyone they'd win in a land slide. They are both greatly disliked by the wider public. It is only a question is which will crater the most come election day. Its a horse race to the bottom...
And I know exactly how the US election system works. I didn't just fall off the turnip truck... Do you really think all those candidates were an accident? The GOPe was trying to dilute Cruz, who they hate, who was polling well in key states all to pave the way for Jeb.
My first vote was for Reagan. Trump yelled "I'll build a wall" and you came running to his dog whistle and ignored everything else. The man constantly lies to get whatever he's after. There's a very long history of it, yet you believe him...
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You need a new schtict! That one isn't working!
Never has.
Nothing like spamming stuff that has no value to anyone or any cause.....
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Start thinking. Clinton or Trump is going to be President. Actively working against Trump at this point is helping elect Clinton. Stop LYING TO YOURSELVES that you are doing this out of principal and accept the reality that this is a movement based wholly on childish petulance
You people keep missing the point. The NeverTrumpers (I am not one) are not saying Hillary won't be awful...she will be. The NeverTrumpers are looking at the long-term future. In their (IMHO very logical) opinion, electing Trump will so hurt the conservative brand almost permanently damaging it for a generation or two.
What is lost among the Trumpsters is that the fight is not just keeping awful leftists like Hillary out of office, it's also educating Americans about conservatism. That is something Trump cannot do, because even his tubthumpers on talk radio like Limbaugh and Steyn concede he is not a conservative. Reagan educated the people about the perils of Big Government. We need another educator. Trump is not that person and seems intent on expanding the role of BG. The youth of today are the most pro-socialist generation ever. Trump will do nothing to stop their infatuation with BG.
Steyn spent virtually the whole three hours today guest-hosting on Limbaugh's show talking about how awful is Hillary. Gee whiz Mark, really?? Like we didn't know what leftist trash she is.
But Trump has already reversed course or established his liberal view on certain key issues. Apparently, the Trumpsters believe no damage at all will be done by a Trump presidency to the country or conservatism. NeverTrumpers think otherwise. And they have a lot of weight behind their belief.