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February 11, 2017
The second civil war is coming
By Robert Arvay
Wars begin when, in a major crisis, no peaceful solution can be found. We are at or near that point.
The political left considers us irremediably evil and dangerous. Thusly do they justify engaging in violence, sending their version of "Brown Shirts" onto college campuses to prevent our side from even speaking. It's Kristallnacht 2017.
Their ministries of propaganda (otherwise known as the mainstream news media) are working full steam ahead, vilifying us and lying about every action President Trump takes. Their armies of lawyers are clearly intending to clog up the courts with so many lawsuits and other legal tactics as to paralyze the Trump administration from achieving anything. The left will yield nothing, not so much as an inch of ground, without political bloodshed.
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A lot of Trumpers seem to be chomping at the bit for a civil war, too.
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A lot of Trumpers seem to be chomping at the bit for a civil war, too.
If I were them, I wouldn't be too confident of a win.
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I'm 71 and The Next Civil War has been coming for as long as I can remember.
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I'm 71 and The Next Civil War has been coming for as long as I can remember.
I'm 52 and I know it would be a disaster for all of us no matter who won.
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I'm 52 and I know it would be a disaster for all of us no matter who won.
Aye.
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I'm 71 and The Next Civil War has been coming for as long as I can remember.
You only have 20 years on me and I have to agree with you 100%. The left has been pushing as hard as they can just shy of open warfare for years. They have been trying the boiled frog method of implementing their agenda. Only there are a lot of people who are fed up with their BS now. Should be an interesting next 4 or 8 years.
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I'm 52 and I know it would be a disaster for all of us no matter who won.
It absolutely would. I've spent my lifetime creating a pretty comfortable situation for my family and I right now and all of that goes away if widespread fighting does break out.
But how can it be avoided?
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A lot armchair freeper types would probably die of heart attacks if they tried fighting in Civil War II.
IM GONNA GRAB MY MUSKEY BUT FIRST I NEED MY BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS AND DIABETES MEDICATION.
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Coming my @$$! SOME of us have been fighting the damned thing for 40 years or more!
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A lot armchair freeper types would probably die of heart attacks if they tried fighting in Civil War II.
IM GONNA GRAB MY MUSKEY BUT FIRST I NEED MY BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS AND DIABETES MEDICATION.
Medications would be about the 3rd thing to disappear right when they're needed the most right after the power goes out and sanitation systems stop working.
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Medications would be about the 3rd thing to disappear right when they're needed the most right after the power goes out and sanitation systems stop working.
Well then, by all means, tell us worthless old farts what can be done to stop it.
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I'm 71 and The Next Civil War has been coming for as long as I can remember.
Right there with you...... But to tell you the truth, it's exciting to be alive to see it happen....at 71.
It also why I've always believed Donald Trump was the Right Stuff for the times ahead.
Who wouldn't want to be in same fox hole with him?
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I remember hearing this from my father when I was five years old. That was a half century ago.
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Medications would be about the 3rd thing to disappear right when they're needed the most right after the power goes out and sanitation systems stop working.
I don't take medications.... and thanks to the internet preppers, I now know how to dig/construct an outdoor latrine. Even have rattan fencing for privacy. The only thing I worry about running out of is pet food in a crisis. Guess I need to learn how to hunt/trap small game. As for going without power, our ancestors survived quite well without electricity. We could learn to cope, as well. We could use all that spare time (not on the internet or watching tv) for target practice.
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I remember hearing this from my father when I was five years old. That was a half century ago.
That would put your dad's comments in the late 60s. With the assassinations & riots back then I can understand why it would've looked that way.
Those same elements that caused upheaval then and have been in charge for awhile are seeing their grasp on power slipping. So we'll see how it plays out.
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That would put your dad's comments in the late 60s. With the assassinations & riots back then I can understand why it would've looked that way.
Those same elements that caused upheaval then and have been in charge for awhile are seeing their grasp on power slipping. So we'll see how it plays out.
Right. Those same elements from the 60s....like the Weather Underground radicals Bill Ayers, Dorn, etc., have regrouped, renamed and been indoctrinating kids in colleges for five decades.... but they're still at it and up to their old tricks of anarchist behavior. And they've got a billionaire's $$$ behind them now. Much more dangerous than they were back then, IMO.
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Right. Those same elements from the 60s....like the Weather Underground radicals Bill Ayers, Dorn, etc., have regrouped, renamed and been indoctrinating kids in colleges for five decades.... but they're still at it and up to their old tricks of anarchist behavior. And they've got a billionaire's $$$ behind them now. Much more dangerous than they were back then, IMO.
Right again! :beer:
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Right. Those same elements from the 60s....like the Weather Underground radicals Bill Ayers, Dorn, etc., have regrouped, renamed and been indoctrinating kids in colleges for five decades.... but they're still at it and up to their old tricks of anarchist behavior. And they've got a billionaire's $$$ behind them now. Much more dangerous than they were back then, IMO.
They're the same characters.
Historically, there're very few examples of the totalitarian statist mindset ceding power peacefully. Its just a fact.
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They're the same characters.
Historically, there're very few examples of the totalitarian statist mindset ceding power peacefully. Its just a fact.
Methinks that the US version of that totalitarian statist mindset has a very rude awakening coming for them if they plan to start another civil war. I know a lot of Texas good ole boys that are chomping at the bit to teach them that well-deserved lesson, in fact. :laugh:
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I'm 71 and The Next Civil War has been coming for as long as I can remember.
What has changed since the reign of Obama, is the reality and fact that we can no longer peaceably co-exist in the same country together with all the divisions that have been sown among us for the better part of 50 years.
And there is NO bringing them together, because the foundational bedrock and core that kept us a body politick has been dug up and discarded by more than half the population.
War, terror and/or mass unrest and bloodshed at this point is a certainty, the split second pushback gets real - there is no putting that genie back in the bottle.
We have become France in the 1790s, and it is a bloodbath that is brewing not a 'revolution'. It's being instigated by Leftists and cheered for by a bunch of ignorant morons who played too much Call of Duty and chomping at the bit for meat-world payback. All the ingredients are there for something worse than what Robspierre instigated.
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It absolutely would. I've spent my lifetime creating a pretty comfortable situation for my family and I right now and all of that goes away if widespread fighting does break out.
But how can it be avoided?
@Taxcontrol
@guitar4jesus
@endicom
@Cripplecreek
@skeeter
@mystery-ak
@txradioguy
"But how can it be avoided?"
Due to being in a hurricane path, I became a prepper so I didn't have to panic to get preps when the next one came. I went from that to preparing for any emergency, including war in any way taking away my ability to live well. Unless soldiers come in my house and I die in a gun battle, I am safe for years living well. Every Christmas, I give prepper gifts to family members as they have made no preps on their own. I also have more preps than I need so if they show up on the doorstep, I will have "stuff" to keep them alive.
I call my prepper stuff, "Life Insurance." I don't trust the government to do jack to save my life. You and I have paid for the "greatest" prep on earth. If something happens, the president and his family go underground with all they need already there, including a surgeon and operating room. In my opinion, I am as important as a president, so I paid my own money for his and for mine.
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War is a young man's game.
If you aren't young, you aren't going to fight. And if you try, you'll be easily killed.
Therefore, no civil war.
That makes no sense.
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How so?
I fail to see the relevance to my question.
Are you saying that everyone opposed to the manner in which the left is seeking to usurp power is too old to resist?
Or are you just demeaning people on this board as being old?
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War is a young man's game.
If you aren't young, you aren't going to fight. And if you try, you'll be easily killed.
Therefore, no civil war.
Since when? War, when it becomes necessary or a reality, is an everyman's game....and the next one will include women, as well. As long as you're physically able to pull a trigger, you're fit to fight. Even if you only can manage to take one of the enemy down with you, it will be 'worth it' to most fighting that war.
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War is a young man's game.
If you aren't young, you aren't going to fight. And if you try, you'll be easily killed.
Therefore, no civil war.
That is patently absurd.
War is an old man's game.
Young men and women are just the pawns.
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Since when? War, when it becomes necessary or a reality, is an everyman's game....and the next one will include women, as well. As long as you're physically able to pull a trigger, you're fit to fight. Even if you only can manage to take one of the enemy down with you, it will be 'worth it' to most fighting that war.
My wife, who came from a country with an ancient history of such things, suggested that as long as its young people rioting in the streets there's really no reason to be concerned. Its when we start seeing the middle aged, middle class out there that things you'll know things are becoming serious.
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I remember hearing this from my father when I was five years old. That was a half century ago.
Yup, it was all going to happen when the Watts riots hit, then when Rodney King happened, now the lunatics are pushing harder with BLM and MLM and LGBTXYZ∞LM and HLM and EBWPLM, but I still believe there are enough sane people on all sides to keep the peace. I tell ya though, I sure wish I hadn't lost all my guns and ammunition down that old abandoned mine shaft out in the desert.
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That's not a civil war. That's politics.
A civil war is a *WAR*. Tanks, planes, artillery, and bloody *COMBAT*.
Only the young can play that with any modicum of success.
Those over the hill or elderly tend to *DIE* very quickly in such a situation... and most know it.
So they may talk, but they aren't going to grab their guns and actually go into combat.
Which means no war.
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And I'm very surprised that you don't get it. Possibly because you don't even know what war truly means, as evidenced by your post. It's *NOT* just opposing "the manner in which the left is seeking to usurp power".
Its pointless to discuss such things with the sites designated 'virtue signaler'. Suffice it to say I'm not surprised you're surprised.
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My wife, who came from a country with an ancient history of such things, suggested that as long as its young people rioting in the streets there's really no reason to be concerned. Its when we start seeing the middle aged, middle class out there that things you'll know things are becoming serious.
That sounds reasonable and logical. And come to think of it....out of those 232 DC rioters that were caught....only ten were over 40. Almost 50 were over 30. The majority were 18 - 30.
You probably will never see folks like me in those streets rioting under ANY circumstances. We prefer to (if it ever comes to it) do our dissenting away from the cameras....lol.
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I don't take medications.... and thanks to the internet preppers, I now know how to dig/construct an outdoor latrine. Even have rattan fencing for privacy. The only thing I worry about running out of is pet food in a crisis. Guess I need to learn how to hunt/trap small game. As for going without power, our ancestors survived quite well without electricity. We could learn to cope, as well. We could use all that spare time (not on the internet or watching tv) for target practice.
I use alternative medicine, and native medicines... I've been going to the outhouse throughout my life, off and on... and know how to make tallow lamps and beeswax or tallow candles...
Folks that are out in the sticks will definitely be less impacted. But i disagree with your statement that folks can learn to cope... it takes time and experience to learn bush-craft...Years... The same with gardening and canning... The same with animal husbandry... The same as the skills of a tinker, able to fix things without a parts supply or any money... Rural folks have all that because it is still way-of-life... Other folks don't. And when SHTF, it'll be too late to outfit or learn.
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Yup, it was all going to happen when the Watts riots hit, then when Rodney King happened, now the lunatics are pushing harder with BLM and MLM and LGBTXYZ∞LM and HLM and EBWPLM, but I still believe there are enough sane people on all sides to keep the peace. I tell ya though, I sure wish I hadn't lost all my guns and ammunition down that old abandoned mine shaft out in the desert.
Yes. There were an awful lot of tragic boating, vehicle and 'other' accidents during the Obama era. Sad, that.
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Which is no response at all. In essence, you lost the argument and are now trying to "take your ball and go home, cause you didn't like the game anyway".
Justify how you think the elderly can fight an actual CIVIL WAR.
You made the claim, doubting my reasoning.
STATE YOUR CASE!
I want to read how the average 71-year old can grab an M-16, molle gear, personal armor, and food/ammo... and go humping around a combat zone with a squad of other elderly to attack enemy positions in *ANY* effective manner.
I'm not gonna defend your strawman. Nothing I've said here resembles what you've asserted.
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Which is no response at all. In essence, you lost the argument and are now trying to "take your ball and go home, cause you didn't like the game anyway".
Justify how you think the elderly can fight an actual CIVIL WAR.
You made the claim, doubting my reasoning.
STATE YOUR CASE!
I want to read how the average 71-year old can grab an M-16, molle gear, personal armor, and food/ammo... and go humping around a combat zone with a squad of other elderly to attack enemy positions in *ANY* effective manner.
The elderly will fight (on both sides of a war) to their capacity....just as they did in the first civil war. Some folks are still spry at 71. Some aren't spry at 51. Just sayin.....
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War is a young man's game.
If you aren't young, you aren't going to fight. And if you try, you'll be easily killed.
Therefore, no civil war.
If you 'see' the government being on one side...and right now, that would be Trump...and the violent mob on the Left on the other....I see your point.
My POV would be strikingly different if today, if we were looking forward to 8 years hence, to more of Obama.
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I use alternative medicine, and native medicines... I've been going to the outhouse throughout my life, off and on... and know how to make tallow lamps and beeswax or tallow candles...
Folks that are out in the sticks will definitely be less impacted. But i disagree with your statement that folks can learn to cope... it takes time and experience to learn bush-craft...Years... The same with gardening and canning... The same with animal husbandry... The same as the skills of a tinker, able to fix things without a parts supply or any money... Rural folks have all that because it is still way-of-life... Other folks don't. And when SHTF, it'll be too late to outfit or learn.
Well, perhaps I overestimate the capabilities of others. Let's just say that I could learn to cope without electricity. I don't have those skills you mentioned, but I have common sense and I'm fairly tough when it comes to having to 'rough it'. But you're right. Some other folks don't have that and are not tough and will no doubt not survive. Law of the jungle and of nature.... will apply.
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Interesting read about elderly soldiers during the Civil War, if anybody's interested.
http://historum.com/american-history/34737-elderly-soldiers-american-civil-war.html
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For the most part, no shooting war or other violence but I think one can make a case that a cultural civil war has gone on for decades and accelerated under the last Presidency.
All of this, OWS, BLM, Tea Party, little battles that are mainly non-violent.
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You knew the title of the thread... which was about another "civil war".
*WAR*
Not unrest, not disagreement.
*WAR*
And you had the audacity to then call me out because you had a different idea of what *WAR* means?
:chairbang:
Deflection. And not even a very clever one.
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He is a liberal. He just completed his bachelors on the 20 year program.
Therefore his head is still infused with liberal indoctrination, but he finds it "cool" to try hanging with conservatives, and poking them.
He's on another thread right now clicking his tongue at some poor guy who's in jail for brandishing a firearm when threatened by a BLM mob. Ironic.
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I use alternative medicine, and native medicines... I've been going to the outhouse throughout my life, off and on... and know how to make tallow lamps and beeswax or tallow candles...
Folks that are out in the sticks will definitely be less impacted. But i disagree with your statement that folks can learn to cope... it takes time and experience to learn bush-craft...Years... The same with gardening and canning... The same with animal husbandry... The same as the skills of a tinker, able to fix things without a parts supply or any money... Rural folks have all that because it is still way-of-life... Other folks don't. And when SHTF, it'll be too late to outfit or learn.
@roamer_1
You are correct it takes time to learn to survive well. I began learning/doing/storing in 1998 and the learning/doing didn't stop there and I'm still doing it. I learned to grow many plants from seeds and did it to gather the food/fruit from those efforts. I did container growing and had 120 containers growing with food, all coming from seeds I started inside. People who think tossing out seeds gives you food, will die if that is all they have. My equipment to do such things are basic so they won't stop working and have to be repaired. I will have power for as long as I need it and it is not generators as they need fuel and can break. Men, in general, think too big when prepping - one has to think simple solutions to have it last.
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He's on another thread right now clicking his tongue at some poor guy who's in jail for brandishing a firearm when threatened by a BLM mob. Ironic.
There is no irony, when taking into account he is a liberal, plain and simple.
The history of this site and its agenda, is to keep a few of them around to stir things up.
Notice how the (uneven) modding protects them?
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Well, perhaps I overestimate the capabilities of others. Let's just say that I could learn to cope without electricity. I don't have those skills you mentioned, but I have common sense and I'm fairly tough when it comes to having to 'rough it'. But you're right. Some other folks don't have that and are not tough and will no doubt not survive. Law of the jungle and of nature.... will apply.
It'll be a sight, I'd say... Especially so because the womenfolk have drifted away from the skills that have traditionally been theirs. Few and far are the women that can garden and can, that can sew, not to mention card, spin, and weave... That know edible and medicinal plants and where to gather them... And many, many other things that are all but lost. So very much relies upon the home-front, whether a cabin or a camp, without which the men will be of little use. How far do you get without making soap, and clothing, and candles? what good is the hunt if you can't store up the meat and tan the hides?
And I ain't cussing you or yours... Folks that prep are far, far better off, because they have begun the long work of relearning, and have store enough to get them by for a while. I am just saying that when it all comes down, there;s a whole lot to worry about as those stores start becoming bare. And they will.
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@roamer_1
You are correct it takes time to learn to survive well. I began learning/doing/storing in 1998 and the learning/doing didn't stop there and I'm still doing it. I learned to grow many plants from seeds and did it to gather the food/fruit from those efforts. I did container growing and had 120 containers growing with food, all coming from seeds I started inside. People who think tossing out seeds gives you food, will die if that is all they have. My equipment to do such things are basic so they won't stop working and have to be repaired. I will have power for as long as I need it and it is not generators as they need fuel and can break. Men, in general, think too big when prepping - one has to think simple solutions to have it last.
I would be interested in hearing about your seed-starting methods. Perhaps on another thread...prepping and frugal living or gardening? I have my own method that I've been using for decades but am always open for new and better ideas (especially if it's easier on my budget).
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It'll be a sight, I'd say... Especially so because the womenfolk have drifted away from the skills that have traditionally been theirs. Few and far are the women that can garden and can, that can sew, not to mention card, spin, and weave... That know edible and medicinal plants and where to gather them... And many, many other things that are all but lost. So very much relies upon the home-front, whether a cabin or a camp, without which the men will be of little use. How far do you get without making soap, and clothing, and candles? what good is the hunt if you can't store up the meat and tan the hides?
And I ain't cussing you or yours... Folks that prep are far, far better off, because they have begun the long work of relearning, and have store enough to get them by for a while. I am just saying that when it all comes down, there;s a whole lot to worry about as those stores start becoming bare. And they will.
I know. But for some unknown reason, I am less worried about that future now that Obama is out of office and Hillary's not in. I realize that I should never let down my guard or stop being prepared now. Murphy's Law - Murphy loves unpleasant surprises....that's when Murphy gets you... just when you start to feel 'safe'....lolol.
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There is no irony, when taking into account he is a liberal, plain and simple.
The history of this site and its agenda, is to keep a few of them around to stir things up.
Notice how the (uneven) modding protects them?
If it wasn't so much trouble changing pw's etc I would make you MOD for the day and let you answer all the post reports just to see how you fare!
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I would be interested in hearing about your seed-starting methods. Perhaps on another thread...prepping and frugal living or gardening? I have my own method that I've been using for decades but am always open for new and better ideas (especially if it's easier on my budget).
@XenaLee
Dear relative, I'll send you a message with the link to prepping articles I wrote on another website. The articles are book length, since I was instructing people how to begin prepping, and going from there.
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@XenaLee
Dear relative, I'll send you a message with the link to prepping articles I wrote on another website. The articles are book length, since I was instructing people how to begin prepping, and going from there.
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You are correct it takes time to learn to survive well. I began learning/doing/storing in 1998 and the learning/doing didn't stop there and I'm still doing it. I learned to grow many plants from seeds and did it to gather the food/fruit from those efforts. I did container growing and had 120 containers growing with food, all coming from seeds I started inside. People who think tossing out seeds gives you food, will die if that is all they have.
@Victoria33
I would be interested in your opinion as to how long it took you to become competent -merely competent- in the art of gardening and canning. I don't think folks have any idea.
My equipment to do such things are basic so they won't stop working and have to be repaired. I will have power for as long as I need it and it is not generators as they need fuel and can break. Men, in general, think too big when prepping - one has to think simple solutions to have it last.
You're preaching to the choir. Actually, I have a two or three tiered approach, with more options and luxury the closer I can stay to a castle mentality... But I can live indefinitely if I have to walk off with nothing but the clothes on my back, my belt, and my go-bag. And that go-bag is incredibly incomplete by normal standards... It only contains what I need to get what I need from the bush. It might be a rough go, especially in the winter, but it'll do. The fly in that ointment is that I can keep ME that way... Add in the whole fam-damnly and it gets much, much harder.
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There is no irony, when taking into account he is a liberal, plain and simple.
The history of this site and its agenda, is to keep a few of them around to stir things up.
Notice how the (uneven) modding protects them?
Why are you obsessed with trashing this site, @truth_seeker ?
I was scrolling down, reading some interesting commentary, and there you were, off-topic, bashing TBR.
Can you please stop that, or find another place where everyone agrees with you and the Mods all take your side?
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I know. But for some unknown reason, I am less worried about that future now that Obama is out of office and Hillary's not in. I realize that I should never let down my guard or stop being prepared now. Murphy's Law - Murphy loves unpleasant surprises....that's when Murphy gets you... just when you start to feel 'safe'....lolol.
Sadly, I do not share in your relief. :shrug:
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@Victoria33
I would be interested in your opinion as to how long it took you to become competent -merely competent- in the art of gardening and canning. I don't think folks have any idea.
You're preaching to the choir. Actually, I have a two or three tiered approach, with more options and luxury the closer I can stay to a castle mentality...
@roamer_1
@XenaLee
@mystery-ak
@Quix
"I would be interested in your opinion as to how long it took you to become competent -merely competent- in the art of gardening and canning."
First, I researched how to garden. The first year I did it, I failed. I got the seeds sprouted inside, then planted them in the ground. I found the ground is evil. Murderers of plants live underground and attack the plants and murder them. I found the Texas hot sun is evil as it murdered the climbing food plants on the back fence. I found squirrels are evil murderers, too, as are murdering birds, and murdering flying insects. I watched regular squash plants die in two days due to moths. So, I made a plan for the following year.
I left the murdering earth and went to container gardening. I used potting soil, (not regular dirt with evil creatures in it), which loves plants. I put containers on top of the murdering dirt and constructed a net placed on top of a large umbrella after I removed the material from the umbrella, leaving only a metal skeleton on which the net was placed. That kept out murdering squirrels, birds, flying insects.
More containers were put on a very large deck with net placed over them, held up by stakes. Vines were held up with stakes, as were new Tromboncino squash plants which resists moths. Strawberry plants were excellent in low boxes on the deck.
I also planted numerous types of the same plant so I could choose the best types for next year's garden. I kept records on all of the plants.
Canning: I am old and watched my mother can every year so I knew the basics. I researched present methods of canning and have the equipment for that and know how to do it.
"I have a two or three tiered approach..."
I also have three or more ways to do everything. I sort of went overboard and have 10 ways to cook.
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I also have three or more ways to do everything. I sort of went overboard and have 10 ways to cook.
Me too. I'm using my favorite way to cook tonight. Go to Pizza Hut online and tell them to make me one, and bring it over. :shrug:
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I left the murdering earth and went to container gardening. I used potting soil, (not regular dirt with evil creatures in it), which loves plants. I put containers on top of the murdering dirt and constructed a net placed on top of a large umbrella after I removed the material from the umbrella, leaving only a metal skeleton on which the net was placed. That kept out murdering squirrels, birds, flying insects.
@Victoria33
LOL! I am here these past five years, three of which included attempts at gardening, and I have not yet harvested enough to worry about canning. The first two years were just weeds... Weeds by the ton. Even in my raised strawberry, blueberry, and raspberry patches... JUST the time it takes to culture a garden space is framed in terms of years. Last year was a pretty good harvest - the weeds finally under control... But with abundance came the deer, the coons, the skunks, the voles, the mice, the geese, and etcetera... Wiped out.
This year I am finally catching on... the entire 20x40 space will have a timber in the ground, with 2x4 welded wire buried flat, outward from the timber... An 8' high timber frame will be constructed upon that border, with chicken wire and hog panels attached... I have found an old high tunnel frame which I am going to re-purpose for use across the top, with plastic chicken wire stretched across... With panels fitted around the outside to hold plastic, and plastic to stretch across the top too, in order to lengthen my growing season. It will be a greenhouse until summer, when the plastic will be removed, and then reinstalled as summer wanes. Here it is the cold that kills, not the heat.
So in my experience, going into my fourth year, having never yet purchasing a single canning jar, I can boldly say there's YEARS involved in making a garden grow. And all that with my mother ready to hand with her many decades of knowledge.
Canning: I am old and watched my mother can every year so I knew the basics. I researched present methods of canning and have the equipment for that and know how to do it.
This summer should see my outdoor kitchen constructed - I have already learned, just from chicken processing, that your typical kitchen is woefully inadequate to the task when processing. There is no way I will be processing chickens or garden inside. That makes two fairly large construction projects necessary for reasonable production, that I had no idea I was going to need.
Jussayin. It is not (as you say) just flinging some seeds around.
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I'm not gonna defend your strawman. Nothing I've said here resembles what you've asserted.
Once you understand his arguments are founded in liberal dogma it is easy to follow his logic.
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There is no irony, when taking into account he is a liberal, plain and simple.
The history of this site and its agenda, is to keep a few of them around to stir things up.
Notice how the (uneven) modding protects them?
@truth_seeker
You've been here a lot longer than me. isn't it true that TBR is for any Republican who wants to post here, whether conservative, or more moderate/liberal? That's always been my understanding.
It seems pretty silly to say posters are being "kept" here. That implies that a number of them have been banned, and you know that isn't true.
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@truth_seeker
You've been here a lot longer than me. isn't it true that TBR is for any Republican who wants to post here, whether conservative, or more moderate/liberal? That's always been my understanding.
It seems pretty silly to say posters are being "kept" here. That implies that a number of them have been banned, and you know that isn't true.
It is now my opinion, the site's definition, mission, has meandered. Initially it was for "GOP" hence the name.
Later it became "conservative, hence the Reagan photo.
Only when Trump came along, did it essentially become #nevertrump with yet another change of mission, to "political forum," although different places, use different definitions.
I am done mincing words, over what liberals have to say on the site. If they say liberal things, I will so state.
I believe the site likes controversy, so posts a lot of liberal biased material to generate discussion, even generate controversy.
Therefore protecting various liberals is beneficial to maintaining that level of controversy.
If you don't like what I have to say, ignore me or try to get me banned.
A new political paradigm is underway, regardless of whether this site recognizes it or ignores it.
306 electoral votes worth of new political paradigm. It is NOT the paradigm of Politico, NYT, WaPo, etc.
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@truth_seeker
It is now my opinion, the site's definition, mission, has meandered. Initially it was for "GOP" hence the name.
Later it became "conservative, hence the Reagan photo.
That's not what I was told when I came here eight months ago. "GOP" encompasses Republicans of all stripes, and Reagan is sort of a natural choice for the banner, isn't he?
Only when Trump came along, did it essentially become #nevertrump with yet another change of mission, to "political forum," although different places, use different definitions.
These changes seem to be in your mind only, since I've seen nothing of the kind even mentioned.
I am done mincing words, over what liberals have to say on the site. If they say liberal things, I will so state.
Well, I don't know why you were mincing them to begin with. We're supposed to be courteous here, but that doesn't preclude strong opinion. Besides, if we can't defend our positions to liberal types, what good are we? There are other places where you can go to drift along in a comfortable mind-numbed bubble.
I believe the site likes controversy, so posts a lot of liberal biased material to generate discussion, even generate controversy.
I've seen none of that material. Can you provide examples?
Therefore protecting various liberals is beneficial to maintaining that level of controversy.
This is mere fantasy on your part.
If you don't like what I have to say, ignore me or try to get me banned.
Are you speaking of the board in general, or to me specifically?
A new political paradigm is underway, regardless of whether this site recognizes it or ignores it.
306 electoral votes worth of new political paradigm. It is NOT the paradigm of Politico, NYT, WaPo, etc.
Yeah, an election was won. So why can't we chill the rage for a little and hold the new occupant of the Oval Office to his promises so that he can do his job?
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But how can it be avoided?
By seeing other people as people, and not as vessels holding abstract beliefs.
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By seeing other people as people, and not as vessels holding abstract beliefs.
I can manage that.
But what if the other side won't?
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I can manage that.
But what if the other side won't?
Then treat them as people, and see what happens.
Works like a charm.
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Then treat them as people, and see what happens.
Works like a charm.
I spent the day with my most liberal sister and brother in law.
I took them on a mini driving tour of Hillsdale Colllege and got to impress upon them the fact that it was founded by "Free Methodists (I think) and was one of if not the first university in the nation to admit blacks. I also pointed out the Frederick Douglass spoke there twice as did such notables as Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I also pointed out that Pat Sajak is a member of the board of directors.
They paid for my prescription when the pharmacy down there wouldn't take my insurance.
Thatcher visit to Hillsdale recalled
http://www.hillsdale.net/article/20080428/NEWS/304289998
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I spent the day with my most liberal sister and brother in law.
I took them on a mini driving tour of Hillsdale Colllege and got to impress upon them the fact that it was founded by "Free Methodists (I think) and was one of if not the first university in the nation to admit blacks. I also pointed out the Frederick Douglass spoke there twice as did such notables as Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I also pointed out that Pat Sajak is a member of the board of directors.
They paid for my prescription when the pharmacy down there wouldn't take my insurance.
Thatcher visit to Hillsdale recalled
http://www.hillsdale.net/article/20080428/NEWS/304289998
They get a little money from us each year.
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Then treat them as people, and see what happens.
Works like a charm.
I'm sure I'll continue to get along fine with my liberal family members and relations.
But f violence comes I doubt I'll have the chance to follow your advise. It'll be the idiot in the Guy Fawks mask cold cocking you from behind, or the BLM mob that catches you coming out of a restaurant one night.
As I've repeatedly said its not the way I want it. But it seems to be the way things are progressing.
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By seeing other people as people, and not as vessels holding abstract beliefs.
Do you want a Kumbaya, Feel good, Love in?
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I spent the day with my most liberal sister and brother in law.
I took them on a mini driving tour of Hillsdale Colllege and got to impress upon them the fact that it was founded by "Free Methodists (I think) and was one of if not the first university in the nation to admit blacks. I also pointed out the Frederick Douglass spoke there twice as did such notables as Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I also pointed out that Pat Sajak is a member of the board of directors.
They paid for my prescription when the pharmacy down there wouldn't take my insurance.
Thatcher visit to Hillsdale recalled
http://www.hillsdale.net/article/20080428/NEWS/304289998
A great College. You could stand in my Grandmother's back yard and literally hit the place with a stone.
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Do you want a Kumbaya, Feel good, Love in?
Do you want to sit around hating people?
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I know. But for some unknown reason, I am less worried about that future now that Obama is out of office and Hillary's not in. I realize that I should never let down my guard or stop being prepared now. Murphy's Law - Murphy loves unpleasant surprises....that's when Murphy gets you... just when you start to feel 'safe'....lolol.
I have perfect peace about whatever is coming. My prepping is done on my knees. My refuge and safety is in my Savior Jesus. I have the feeling with what is coming He is the only place of safety.
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I have perfect peace about whatever is coming. My prepping is done on my knees. My refuge and safety is in my Savior Jesus. I have the feeling with what is coming He is the only place of safety.
Amen. But, we do need to keep oil for our lamps.
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It is now my opinion, the site's definition, mission, has meandered. Initially it was for "GOP" hence the name.
Later it became "conservative, hence the Reagan photo.
Only when Trump came along, did it essentially become #nevertrump with yet another change of mission, to "political forum," although different places, use different definitions.
I am done mincing words, over what liberals have to say on the site. If they say liberal things, I will so state.
I believe the site likes controversy, so posts a lot of liberal biased material to generate discussion, even generate controversy.
Therefore protecting various liberals is beneficial to maintaining that level of controversy.
If you don't like what I have to say, ignore me or try to get me banned.
A new political paradigm is underway, regardless of whether this site recognizes it or ignores it.
306 electoral votes worth of new political paradigm. It is NOT the paradigm of Politico, NYT, WaPo, etc.
Highly ironic, considering that you backed the most liberal candidate running, and the only Democrat to run as a Republican candidate in history.
Anything you say about liberalism on this board is sheer fantasy.
This is a Republican site and some of us are Conservative Republicans (or at least we WERE Republican until a minority of you forced a Democrat on us).
Some of you aren't the least bit conservative, but it sure ain't the ones opposing Trump.
(I know you don't have the guts to debate me, but I'm going to continue to refute your tripe every time you bash this forum with stuff you just make up).
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@truth_seeker
That's not what I was told when I came here eight months ago. "GOP" encompasses Republicans of all stripes, and Reagan is sort of a natural choice for the banner, isn't he?
No, @CatherineofAragon, Ronald Reagan is not a natural choice for a GOP of all stripes. Ronald Reagan is a Conservative icon. If this is not a Conservative site, then it would be reasonable to remove Reagan's photo from the masthead.
@truth_seeker
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It is now my opinion, the site's definition, mission, has meandered. Initially it was for "GOP" hence the name.
Later it became "conservative, hence the Reagan photo.
Only when Trump came along, did it essentially become #nevertrump with yet another change of mission, to "political forum," although different places, use different definitions.
I am done mincing words, over what liberals have to say on the site. If they say liberal things, I will so state.
I believe the site likes controversy, so posts a lot of liberal biased material to generate discussion, even generate controversy.
Therefore protecting various liberals is beneficial to maintaining that level of controversy.
If you don't like what I have to say, ignore me or try to get me banned.
A new political paradigm is underway, regardless of whether this site recognizes it or ignores it.
306 electoral votes worth of new political paradigm. It is NOT the paradigm of Politico, NYT, WaPo, etc.
@truth_seeker what a RANT!
The internet is not free and neither is your speech (here), it has consequences.
You are a guest in someone's home and the rules are clearly posted, show a little more Respect.
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@Victoria33
LOL! I am here these past five years, three of which included attempts at gardening, and I have not yet harvested enough to worry about canning. The first two years were just weeds... Weeds by the ton. Even in my raised strawberry, blueberry, and raspberry patches... JUST the time it takes to culture a garden space is framed in terms of years. Last year was a pretty good harvest - the weeds finally under control... But with abundance came the deer, the coons, the skunks, the voles, the mice, the geese, and etcetera... Wiped out.
This year I am finally catching on... the entire 20x40 space will have a timber in the ground, with 2x4 welded wire buried flat, outward from the timber... An 8' high timber frame will be constructed upon that border, with chicken wire and hog panels attached... I have found an old high tunnel frame which I am going to re-purpose for use across the top, with plastic chicken wire stretched across... With panels fitted around the outside to hold plastic, and plastic to stretch across the top too, in order to lengthen my growing season. It will be a greenhouse until summer, when the plastic will be removed, and then reinstalled as summer wanes. Here it is the cold that kills, not the heat. So in my experience, going into my fourth year, having never yet purchasing a single canning jar, I can boldly say there's YEARS involved in making a garden grow. And all that with my mother ready to hand with her many decades of knowledge.
Jussayin. It is not (as you say) just flinging some seeds around.
@roamer_1
I used netting, you are using wire. I am a girl with small bones and I don't have the strength you do to deal will timbers and wire.
Yes, when people start out, they don't know how many ways a plant can be killed - they just see visions of heaping mounds of veggies/fruits. I saw every way my plants actually WERE killed and went to war to figure out a way to defeat the many enemies of the plants. I also have an air pistol with killing type pellets with enough power to kill squirrels/rodents. I got that to be able to use it in the city without police being alerted by the sound. I would have killed those squirrels if I hadn't figured out how to outsmart them.
I also bought a very small outdoor greenhouse to put plants in after they had about 4-5 inches of growth from seeds inside the house. This allowed them to be protected from the various murderers outside, and get used to being outside for a while, growing more, before they were planted in the containers. You will have a big greenhouse and you should due to being in the "frozen north." I started some seeds in January, most in February, and they were in containers by March - mid-March. I can grow in three seasons here, the spring/summer and fall. One just has to know which plants for which season and that requires research, which I did. I documented all of it. By the time I finished all of this, I knew which exact strain of various plants were the best here and when to plant all of them.
I see people flock to nurseries to buy their food plants and I wonder if they know how to sprout a seed. I grew eight kinds of tomatoes from seed so I would know which grew the best here. Knowing how to cultivate a seed to sprout also takes knowledge.
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You only have 20 years on me and I have to agree with you 100%. The left has been pushing as hard as they can just shy of open warfare for years. They have been trying the boiled frog method of implementing their agenda. Only there are a lot of people who are fed up with their BS now. Should be an interesting next 4 or 8 years.
Consider in the 1960's the "New Left" infiltrated the Democrat Party. Mostly Communists and misguided youth who were agitated by professionals, they have matured without being able to 'blow it all up', or 'burn it all down', nor have they been able to achieve their goals of dominating this nation, despite having compromised schools, Universities, and the Media. In a generation or two it may pass that they succeed, if they are patient, but they aren't. They are becoming increasingly shrill and violent like so many graying Bolsheviks, they long for their Oktober Revolution'.
If they start it, working America and those who wish they were will finish it--and their movement, but I pray they simply fail without the slaughter and destruction of a conflict they think they would win. But the Left lives in an echo chamber, one of the results of squelching dissent.
The real danger of echo chambers is that they convince people that 'everyone thinks like them', because the only people they interface with either agree or are forbidden to disagree, either being shouted down or chased away rather than talked with.
@mystery-ak--this is one of the reasons I am so grateful for this site.
In the meantime, time grows short, the Left grows shrill, and their tide will ebb, soon. The backlash is building as people realize the levels of social and other change, and do not like it.
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Since when? War, when it becomes necessary or a reality, is an everyman's game....and the next one will include women, as well. As long as you're physically able to pull a trigger, you're fit to fight. Even if you only can manage to take one of the enemy down with you, it will be 'worth it' to most fighting that war.
Agreed. Scoped rifle, good binoculars, long distance is the next best thing to being there. Sometimes you can see more from further away, and in the past a single shot has made a difference. If it comes to that and I can get three before they get me, it's a good start.
The push and pull of front line combat is mainly the province of younger men, and at this point I'm not sure I could get back into the same shape I was in in my early 20s.
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@XenaLee
Dear relative, I'll send you a message with the link to prepping articles I wrote on another website. The articles are book length, since I was instructing people how to begin prepping, and going from there.
Would you send me those links too, please? I have been at it for a while, but there is much I do not know and I am always open to learning more. Thanks!
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Only when Trump came along, did it essentially become #nevertrump with yet another change of mission, to "political forum," although different places, use different definitions.
A lot of conservatives, mostly Republicans, some freshly abandoning that party, came here because we were either kicked out of or made unwelcome at other sites.
At least some of that contingent of conservatives had no use for Trump because we did not think him conservative enough.
So far he is doing fairly well, and we'll see how that goes, but we remain Conservative, whether we are in support of Trump or not because Conservatism is based on a set of principles, not a person.
But, despite that being pointed out to you, you are still hung up on the # bit. Get over it.
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Right. Those same elements from the 60s....like the Weather Underground radicals Bill Ayers, Dorn, etc., have regrouped, renamed and been indoctrinating kids in colleges for five decades.... but they're still at it and up to their old tricks of anarchist behavior. And they've got a billionaire's $$$ behind them now. Much more dangerous than they were back then, IMO.
@XenaLee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvlWSnLxrrc
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The upcoming war is the reason libs are so fervent in getting guns removed from the populace.
It is also the reason the populace wishes to retain them.
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No, @CatherineofAragon, Ronald Reagan is not a natural choice for a GOP of all stripes. Ronald Reagan is a Conservative icon. If this is not a Conservative site, then it would be reasonable to remove Reagan's photo from the masthead.
@truth_seeker
Yes, @Right_in_Virginia, Reagan was certainly a conservative. But he was also a Republican, right? And one of the most popular, successful presidents in history. So, I maintain he's the natural choice.
I don't think a banner with the image of Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford would have the same impact, do you?
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Would you send me those links too, please? I have been at it for a while, but there is much I do not know and I am always open to learning more. Thanks!
@Smokin Joe
Just read this - will send it to you now.
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Yes, @Right_in_Virginia, Reagan was certainly a conservative. But he was also a Republican, right? And one of the most popular, successful presidents in history. So, I maintain he's the natural choice.
I don't think a banner with the image of Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford would have the same impact, do you?
I think a masthead with Chuck Schumer's picture might better reflect the majority opinion here. :smokin:
@CatherineofAragon
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I think a masthead with Chuck Schumer's picture might better reflect the majority opinion here. :smokin:
@CatherineofAragon
If your eyes aren't brown, you're a quart low...
I have been adamantly opposed to that gun-grabbing, posturing, nauseating sonofabitch for so long I have even considered moving to New York to vote against him. I remembrer that Putz at the Waco hearings. You owe us all an apology, jerk.
You wouldn't understand Reagan on the masthead, because Reagan unified the Republicans, and people like you are hell bent on dividing them, and other Conservatives as well. Which really makes me wonder just what side you are on.
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Idiot. If your eyes aren't brown, you're a quart low...
This is a personal attack and I ask you to remove it @mystery-ak, @Mod1 @Mod2 @MOD3 @MOD4 @MOD8 8
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I think a masthead with Chuck Schumer's picture might better reflect the majority opinion here. :smokin:
@CatherineofAragon
@Right_in_Virginia
Really? Well, let's see.
Schumer is pro-abortion, pro-manmade global warming, for higher taxes, believes in income inequality, is pro-gay rights and gay marriage, anti-school choice, pro-EPA, anti-gun, pro-nationalized healthcare, pro-illegal immigration, and on and on. For Schumer to be on TBR's banner, a majority of the posters here would have to agree with those positions.
You want to show some examples of that?
But of course you can't, and you likely won't respond, as usual. You derived a moment's pleasure from your post, which was based entirely in emotionalism, and that will do until your next shot. Or until you find some Trump fan photos to post.
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This is a personal attack and I ask you to remove it @mystery-ak, @Mod1 @Mod2 @MOD3 @MOD4 @MOD8 8
@Right_in_Virginia
Lmao
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This is a personal attack and I ask you to remove it @mystery-ak, @Mod1 @Mod2 @MOD3 @MOD4 @MOD8 8
NO, that was nicely stated. A personal attack would be "You are completely full of shit".
Perhaps, if I am to be accused of attacking little ol' you I should be more explicit--Your Chuck Schumer insult would get you bitch-slapped in person, only my wife would do it, because I don't hit wimmen, no matter how low they slink.
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Thanks Joe for editing your comment.....let's all please calm down.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Really? Well, let's see.
Yes, really @CatherineofAragon Schumer is obsessively anti-Trump, as are so many on this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if some have his photo on their mantle and mail him cash contributions to help him keep up the good work. :shrug:
And, that, of course, is your their right. 88devil
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A personal attack would be "You are completely full of shit".
So, I can call you stupid or an idiot and you won't be insulted @Smokin Joe
Good to know. 888blackhat
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Agreed. Scoped rifle, good binoculars, long distance is the next best thing to being there. Sometimes you can see more from further away, and in the past a single shot has made a difference. If it comes to that and I can get three before they get me, it's a good start.
The push and pull of front line combat is mainly the province of younger men, and at this point I'm not sure I could get back into the same shape I was in in my early 20s.
None of us could do that, I'm afraid. But in every war, there are combatants that do what they can....which is better than doing nothing. And I suspect that.... the pent up anger and frustration, over these past decades, should act as a sort of adrenaline rush to help many keep up. And never underestimate the power of adrenaline. For some of us that haven't felt that rush in decades.... it could kill us! lolol
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So, I can call you stupid or an idiot and you won't be insulted @Smokin Joe
Good to know. 888blackhat
I'll consider the source and ignore it, bless your heart.
But propose Schumer for the masthead (call us all traitors), and that's a bit much.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Lmao
Lmao, indeed. I'll bet the mods here just love her.
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I'll consider the source and ignore it, bless your heart.
But propose Schumer for the masthead (call us all traitors), and that's a bit much.
Maybe it's a cry for help? Prayers are definitely needed, apparently. A miscall like that could mean something seriously physically awry. Either that.... or somebody got up on the wrong side of the stall.... :silly:
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Yes, @Right_in_Virginia, Reagan was certainly a conservative. But he was also a Republican, right? And one of the most popular, successful presidents in history. So, I maintain he's the natural choice.
I don't think a banner with the image of Nelson Rockefeller, Bob Dole, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford would have the same impact, do you?
I'm pretty sure at this point in time - with Trump winning a decisive Electoral victory, and choosing conservative people to fill key gov't positions - along with his promises on a border wall and illegal immigration - that Reagan would be supportive of President Trump right now, at this point in time.
I do not think Ronald Reagan would like, or approve of the garbage I see on here all too frequently - citing outright fake news against the President and his family, of using Leftist media sources to continue to deride and tear down our Republican President, who now has a GOP Congress to work with.
In fact, I would LOVE to hear President Ronald Reagan's opinion on some of these threads and the insults they contain to our Republican President. Even most of Trump's opponents have turned to supporting our President. Reagan would have no patience with this "resistance" movement that is all too predominant here.
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None of us could do that, I'm afraid. But in every war, there are combatants that do what they can....which is better than doing nothing. And I suspect that.... the pent up anger and frustration, over these past decades, should act as a sort of adrenaline rush to help many keep up. And never underestimate the power of adrenaline. For some of us that haven't felt that rush in decades.... it could kill us! lolol
If you consider the 'three for me' idea, that could have a serious affect, especially with accurate long distance fire.
If you don't have the tactical mobility of your adversary, rely on stealth, distance, cunning, your knowledge of the terrain and the area, and keep them at arm's length or further rather than let them in close. Don't play to their advantages, play to yours. Blend in. Be invisible in plain sight.
The atrocities which inevitably follow will strengthen the resolve of others, it's how we Americans are wired. The adversary will lose.
An army of active grandkids (and great-grandkids) keep that adrenaline rush not so far away. Under that influence I can move like I did in my 20s, I just can't move that fast or lift that much all day like I could then.
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But propose Schumer for the masthead (call us all traitors), and that's a bit much.
"Traitor" is YOUR interpretation, YOUR word, not mine. Although in all candor, I do find it a fascinating choice of words @Smokin Joe :pondering:
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I think a masthead with Chuck Schumer's picture might better reflect the majority opinion here. :smokin:
@CatherineofAragon
Whoa! Just a TAD over the top there I would say.
There is a loud minority here for whom nothing president Trump ever does will be sufficient. But they are definately a minority rather than a majority.
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Whoa! Just a TAD over the top there I would say.
There is a loud minority here for whom nothing president Trump ever does will be sufficient. But they are definately a minority rather than a majority.
And none of them is a liberal.
The people here who oppose Trump, for the most part, do so because HE is liberal, not THEY.
The criticism of the Trump faithful that those who oppose him are liberals is a bunch of garbage.
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"Traitor" is YOUR interpretation, YOUR word, not mine. Although in all candor, I do find it a fascinating choice of words @Smokin Joe :pondering:
If you find it fascinating, If you find Schumer acceptable, if YOU want him on the masthead, might I suggest you'd feel more at home at DU, where you can snipe at conservatives all day.
Anyone who swears an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and makes a career of striving to infringe the Constitutional Rights of decent and law-abiding Americans has not only violated that oath, but when called on it continued to do so. That makes him a Traitor in my book.
Of course, those in sympathy with him might not see it that way, and it was YOUR suggestion.
Those of us who did not support Trump here did not do so because of his Liberal Past (and donations to people like...Chuck Schumer.)
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And none of them is a liberal.
The people here who oppose Trump, for the most part, do so because HE is liberal, not THEY.
The criticism of the Trump faithful that those who oppose him are liberals is a bunch of garbage.
For the vast majority that is true but whatever Trump is, he is currently acting as anything but a liberal. That may well change in the future but I'm happy with what he is currently doing. Not how he is personally acting but doing.
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For the vast majority that is true but whatever Trump is, he is currently acting as anything but a liberal. That may well change in the future but I'm happy with what he is currently doing. Not how he is personally acting but doing.
As long as his actions undo the abuses and usurpation of the Obama and Clinton Administrations (yes, and even 'W'), fine. I think we need ever be alert for other items to be passed--by whatever means, and the absence of meaningful reforms or elimination of the aforementioned abuses and usurpation.
Considering the progress of totalitarianism and erosion of our Liberty has occurred by whatever means seem or can be made to seem acceptable to the Party in power, regardless of Party affiliation, that is the enemy, no matter what face is put on it, and what we must continue to fight if we are to recover the Constitutional Republic the founders set up.
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Lmao, indeed. I'll bet the mods here just love her.
@XenaLee
***hair on fire
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As long as his actions undo the abuses and usurpation of the Obama and Clinton Administrations (yes, and even 'W'), fine. I think we need ever be alert for other items to be passed--by whatever means, and the absence of meaningful reforms or elimination of the aforementioned abuses and usurpation.
Considering the progress of totalitarianism and erosion of our Liberty has occurred by whatever means seem or can be made to seem acceptable to the Party in power, regardless of Party affiliation, that is the enemy, no matter what face is put on it, and what we must continue to fight if we are to recover the Constitutional Republic the founders set up.
Agreed! 888high58888
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@alicewonders
I'm pretty sure at this point in time - with Trump winning a decisive Electoral victory, and choosing conservative people to fill key gov't positions - along with his promises on a border wall and illegal immigration - that Reagan would be supportive of President Trump right now, at this point in time.
Reagan might exercise a little restraint and wait to see how the promises turn out, which would be entirely reasonable.
I've said that I will give Trump credit for whatever good things he might produce, and so have others. But that isn't enough for some of you.
I do not think Ronald Reagan would like, or approve of the garbage I see on here all too frequently - citing outright fake news against the President and his family, of using Leftist media sources to continue to deride and tear down our Republican President, who now has a GOP Congress to work with.
What about the fake news generated by Trump-approved sites like Gateway Pundit and Breitbart?
Unless TBR rules change, I'm not going to behave as though I'm in a TOS-like bubble and post only from "appropriate" sources...IOW, those which praise Trump.
I understand that some of you really, really like him, and that you get angry when you see him criticized. But you have to understand that not everyone feels like you. The man is a public servant---an employee. It's up to him to serve us, not vice versa.
In fact, I would LOVE to hear President Ronald Reagan's opinion on some of these threads and the insults they contain to our Republican President. Even most of Trump's opponents have turned to supporting our President. Reagan would have no patience with this "resistance" movement that is all too predominant here.
Why do you think that would matter?
God bless Reagan's soul, but he was a politician. I'm not subject to instruction or scolding from any of them. I think for myself.
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For the vast majority that is true but whatever Trump is, he is currently acting as anything but a liberal. That may well change in the future but I'm happy with what he is currently doing. Not how he is personally acting but doing.
Well, the person making the ridiculous accusation of "liberal" actually IS one, and the people she's accusing aren't.
So there's that.
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Yes, really @CatherineofAragon Schumer is obsessively anti-Trump, as are so many on this forum. I wouldn't be surprised if some have his photo on their mantle and mail him cash contributions to help him keep up the good work. :shrug:
And, that, of course, is your their right. 88devil
@Right_in_Virginia
To do that, we'd have to be pretty personally involved and emotionally invested.
You are, so you think everyone else is.
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Well, the person making the ridiculous accusation of "liberal" actually IS one, and the people she's accusing aren't.
So there's that.
She needs help! I've been saying that for a LONG time and I still believe it!
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Well, the person making the ridiculous accusation of "liberal" actually IS one, and the people she's accusing aren't.
So there's that.
Guess I'm a liberal too since Trump is a lying progressive scumbag.