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General Category => Economy/Business => Topic started by: Applewood on March 28, 2018, 06:59:55 pm
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Trump is determined to take down Amazon — and it could be terrible news for HQ2
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President Donald Trump is reportedly doubling down on his mission to take Amazon down.
Trump is "obsessed" with the e-commerce giant, a source told Axios. The president apparently believes that Amazon has unfairly received prime tax benefits and preferential treatment from the US Postal Service, hurting brick-and-mortar retailers.
The president hasn't been quiet about his negative feelings towards Amazon.
In December, Trump tweeted that the US Postal Service was undercharging Amazon and that it was making the "Post Office dumber and poorer." In August, he tweeted that the company was "doing great damage to tax paying retailers."
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Except. More at:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-hatred-raises-hq2-concerns-2018-3 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-hatred-raises-hq2-concerns-2018-3)
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There's so many positive things he could/should be doing. Going after Amazon is a loser.
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If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business.
And contrary to what this report says -- if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands. Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.
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Trump is a moron. All he had to do was keep his gaping pie hole shut and let the Amazon case in the SC play out. They will do the work for him. Then he can take the credit as he always does for not doing anything.
God this guy is an asswipe.
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Cronyism is not Conservativism or Capitalism.
Amazon Stock Dives As 'Obsessed' Trump Considers Regulations, Tax Action
Amazon.com (AMZN) stock plunged below a key measure Wednesday, following a report that President Trump is "obsessed" with the e-commerce leader and has talked about targeting its tax treatment....
https://www.investors.com/news/technology/amazon-stock-dives-as-trump-targets-tax-treatment/ (https://www.investors.com/news/technology/amazon-stock-dives-as-trump-targets-tax-treatment/)
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If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business.
And contrary to what this report says -- if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands. Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.
He did it in his business life over and over. He used bought and paid for politicians and PACs to go after businesses that competed with him (most famously, creating an anti-gambling PAC in New York to prevent them from allowing casinos in to compete with his New Jersey business).
Corporatism & Cronyism- not capitalism.
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Cronyism is not Conservativism or Capitalism.
Government picking winners and losers ( like Union steel companies benefitting from tariffs) is also Fascism or versions of Communism.
But still his acolytes insist Trump is the most Conservative president we've ever had.
No he's not. He's already to the Left of W Bush AFAIC.
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Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.
Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.
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Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.
Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.
No problem here with shipping. Might have to do with whether there is a distribution center near you or whether the product is coming from a third-party seller. Lately, if the distribution center near me has it, someone delivers it to me by car (Amazon Logistics) in 48 hours. Last order of mine was delivered by a young mother with 2 little ones in the back seat. Adorable.
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I don't have shipping issues either. Bought my Mom an O2 Saturation meter, they promised two days and it was.
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No problem here with shipping. Might have to do with whether there is a distribution center near you or whether the product is coming from a third-party seller. Lately, if the distribution center near me has it, someone delivers it to me by car (Amazon Logistics) in 48 hours. Last order of mine was delivered by a young mother with 2 little ones in the back seat. Adorable.
We have a major distribution hub here, but I am not alone. If you check on the interwebs, you can find plenty of people with the same bitch. I'm a high volume buyer so I have a lot more chances for disappointment than other getting 1 or 2 packages a month.
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We have a major distribution hub here, but I am not alone. If you check on the interwebs, you can find plenty of people with the same bitch. I'm a high volume buyer so I have a lot more chances for disappointment than other getting 1 or 2 packages a month.
High Volume or high maintenance?
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If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business.
And contrary to what this report says -- if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands. Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.
Perhaps I’m naive, but this seems like a really stupid thing for a populist liberal to do.
Since with Trump it is always about him, what does he expect to gain from this?
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Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.
Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.
I find it is often the USPS that is messing up my fix...
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I find it is often the USPS that is messing up my fix...
I get varied excuses. USPS sucks. Third party vendor lied. Night of the Lepus was playing in Sheboygan that day and it screwed up the timetables. I have to deal with one and two day delays with about 10% of my shit these days.
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Eff Amazon. Their 2 day shipping is turning into 3 or 4 as their customer service slides.
Bezos is like a heroin dealer. Give you a few free bumps to get you hooked and then jacks you around.
Of the hundreds of orders we get, the only ones that arrive beyond two days come from sellers, and we are informed of the delivery date when the item is purchased.
No other company comes even close to Amazon’s efficiency.
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I find it is often the USPS that is messing up my fix...
USPS is the worst of the Amazon shipping vendors, they kind of blew the "SmartPost" thing. UPS has gotten pretty good, and the Amazon delivery people are pretty darned good...here in the big city.
That reminds me, I need to drop a note to that bakery back in my home town that started shipping items by USPS. I love their stuff, but USPS blew the last order. That's twice in fewer than 6 orders. Not buying again until they find another shipper.
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I get varied excuses. USPS sucks. Third party vendor lied. Night of the Lepus was playing in Sheboygan that day and it screwed up the timetables. I have to deal with one and two day delays with about 10% of my shit these days.
Another thing too is weather. You live east of me, correct? 4 Nor'easters delayed delivery along the east coast big time. This winter in general has been a nightmare for many companies and shippers. The online pharmacy from which I get my meds had a notice on its website advising patients of possible delays. USPS, UPS and FedEx had similar notices on their websites too. It's impossible to make deliveries during a blizzard...or hurricane...or wildfire...
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The only reason why he is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
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He can pry Amazon from my cold dead fingers, and I'm absolutely not the only one. This is not a winning issue for the president.
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Note that HQ2, like many other corporate projects, is the result of a bidding war for government subsidies and incentives.
Consider that one of the bids that didn't even make the semifinals offered $1.2 BILLION in "incentives." (https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2018/03/27/buffalo-offered-amazon-500-million-in-incentives.html) Now, consider how much the winner will have to offer! Amazon lives off corporate welfare just as much as, if not more than, any other major company.
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The only reason why he is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
That is exactly what I was going to say. This is pay back for all the shitty articles WaPo writes about Trump.
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Note that HQ2, like many other corporate projects, is the result of a bidding war for government subsidies and incentives.
Consider that one of the bids that didn't even make the semifinals offered $1.2 BILLION in "incentives." (https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2018/03/27/buffalo-offered-amazon-500-million-in-incentives.html) Now, consider how much the winner will have to offer! Amazon lives off corporate welfare just as much as, if not more than, any other major company.
Not so fast pal. A lot of that money offered to Amazon from the shitholes of Buffalo and Rochester were to make the city habitable by normal people. Also those two garbage cities didn't even own what they were offering to Amazon....
Rochester’s bid required more incentives because many of the buildings being pitched were owned by private sector entities and the acquisition cost would have run deeper than Buffalo.
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This sounds suspiciously like a strawman.
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The only reason why he is after Amazon cause Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post.
Of course. And I understand he wants to use anti-trust laws to execute his vendetta against Amazon. I'm not sure that will fly. Amazon isn't the only one that sells online. There is competition. I think Walmart might be its closest online competitor. It's just that Amazon does online retail better than anyone else.
I have to ask Trump supporters. Is this really the kind of president you want? A 2-bit sociopathic dictator who will ignore the law and use the power of the federal government to execute revenge on anyone he doesn't like? The Founding Fathers and their ancestors lived under kings who did this sort of thing on a regular basis. The Founders were determined not to live under authoritarian rule ever again. That is why we have separation of powers and why we have a Constitution that spells out clearly the duties of government and the rights of our citizens. Why would we want to trash the Constitution and disrespect the Founding Fathers by having an authoritarian ruler instead of the republic that has served us well for centuries?
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I used to be a regular at Amazon. But ever since Jeff Bezos turned the once great Washington Post
into an HQ for fake news. I've switched to Ebay for most of my on-line purchases.
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I've been suspicious of Ebay ever since a friend bought concert tickets from a seller on that site, and the tickets turned out to be bogus.
I believe Amazon does a better job of selecting scrupulous vendors and canning any that turn out to be disreputable.
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I've been suspicious of Ebay ever since a friend bought concert tickets from a seller on that site, and the tickets turned out to be bogus.
I believe Amazon does a better job of selecting scrupulous vendors and canning any that turn out to be disreputable.
And their customer service is excellent if there ever is an issue. Ever try to get a refund from an eBay seller?
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I've been suspicious of Ebay ever since a friend bought concert tickets from a seller on that site.....
Concert tickets off Ebay? Do these people also buy their prescription medication from a guy in a rusty van behind the local Lens Crafters?
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Ever try to get a refund from an eBay seller?
Yeah. Paypal guarantees everything. Never had a problem getting my money back.
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Concert tickets off Ebay? Do these people also buy their prescription medication from a guy in a rusty van behind the local Lens Crafters?
Exactly. I didn't think it was a good idea and told her so, but as usual, no one listens to me. LOL
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Concert tickets off Ebay? Do these people also buy their prescription medication from a guy in a rusty van behind the local Lens Crafters?
LOL
I bet they buy stereo speakers from the same guy.....
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I used to be a regular at Amazon. But ever since Jeff Bezos turned the once great Washington Post
into an HQ for fake news. I've switched to Ebay for most of my on-line purchases.
WaPo has always been HQ for fake news, right along with NYT.
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LOL
I bet they buy stereo speakers from the same guy.....
Nah. They don't trust him for that. They use Craigslist for speakers..........and some Casual Encounters.
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I have to ask Trump supporters. Is this really the kind of president you want?
As one who generally supports the guy, I don't do the "kind of President" thing. I care about what actually happens, and what doesn't. If Trump says something stupid/pointless/ignorant, or has a really stupid idea, I don't care unless it gets enacted and has a real, substantive effect.
In this instance, I don't support trying to "take down" Amazon, but he can't do it anyway so it is basically a non-issue for me.
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Nah. They don't trust him for that. They use Craigslist for speakers..........and some Casual Encounters.
True story: a couple years ago, I was perusing Craigslist and started looking at the Personals section, just for jollies.
I came across a "woman seeking man" personal. A blurry picture, seemed like a decent enough person, not that I'd ever date anyone off that site. I wondered why she'd be on a seedy place like Craigslist. Well, a couple of days later, I found out. Another guy had apparently taken the bait and found out "she" was a shemale.
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As one who generally supports the guy, I don't do the "kind of President" thing. I care about what actually happens, and what doesn't. If Trump says something stupid/pointless/ignorant, or has a really stupid idea, I don't care unless it gets enacted and has a real, substantive effect.
In this instance, I don't support trying to "take down" Amazon, but he can't do it anyway so it is basically a non-issue for me.
Even in his 'trying' he is wiping out billions in investor value with his mouth and his thumbs.
Even in his 'trying' he is lying about their not paying taxes (they actually pay a crap load).
Even in his 'trying' he is threatening a national sales tax on them.
Even in his 'trying' he is threatening to sick the justice department on them for anti-trust violations even though the are in no way a monopoly. (they are big because consumers choose them, not because there isn't competition).
Is there anything about this that is Conservative for supports free markets?
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If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business.
And contrary to what this report says -- if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands. Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.
@Applewood
Jeff Bezos did not vote for him and that is why he wants to destroy the man and also wants to destroy Jeff because Jeff has more money than he does. This is a personal attack on Jeff to bring him down. Little Parade Boy is major jealous that Jeff's money isn't his. Amazon is wonderful to get what you want/need, especially if you have medical issues that limits your walking or you don't have transportation to get to a store. Messing with Amazon, and taking away peoples' pain medicine as he just did, will insure he won't be reelected.
AND Jeff owns the Washington Post. Trump wants that newspaper to go away, so go after Jeff for owning that paper along with the reasons above.
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As one who generally supports the guy, I don't do the "kind of President" thing. I care about what actually happens, and what doesn't. If Trump says something stupid/pointless/ignorant, or has a really stupid idea, I don't care unless it gets enacted and has a real, substantive effect.
In this instance, I don't support trying to "take down" Amazon, but he can't do it anyway so it is basically a non-issue for me.
I'll go a step farther and say having someone who behaves more like the personally flawed guy you know at work as a president is a healthy thing, if the alternative is having a 'Great Helmsman' or 'Dear Leader', feted in song by publicly educated schoolchildren, like our last president.
People who want a father figure in office are most likely to be offended by the dumb, unpresidential things Trump sometimes does, like a child catching dad picking his nose.
As long as he brings the paycheck home, who cares?
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@Applewood
Jeff Bezos did not vote for him and that is why he wants to destroy the man and also wants to destroy Jeff because Jeff has more money than he does. This is a personal attack on Jeff to bring him down. Little Parade Boy is major jealous that Jeff's money isn't his. Amazon is wonderful to get what you want/need, especially if you have medical issues that limits your walking or you don't have transportation to get to a store. Messing with Amazon, and taking away peoples' pain medicine as he just did, will insure he won't be reelected.
Yeah, as, I think it was @Polly Ticks who said upthread, this is not a winning issue with the voters for Mr. Trump.
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Amazon is down over 2 percent again today on heavy volume still reacting to Trump's tweets- a loss of about 1.3 billion in shareholder value.
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..and he went on a trumpertantrum on twitter against Amazon again this morning.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-attacks-amazon-tweet/story?id=54093899 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-attacks-amazon-tweet/story?id=54093899)
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Amazon is down over 2 percent again today on heavy volume still reacting to Trump's tweets- a loss of about 1.3 billion in shareholder value.
Ugh.
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..and he went on a trumpertantrum on twitter against Amazon again this morning.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-attacks-amazon-tweet/story?id=54093899 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-attacks-amazon-tweet/story?id=54093899)
This is the kind of chit that's going to get him impeached. Using the power of his office to attempt to crush one very popular company will have even staunch Republicans out for blood.
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Nah. They don't trust him for that. They use Craigslist for speakers..........and some Casual Encounters.
Not anymore
Why People Are Upset Craigslist Shut Down The Personals Page
https://www.advocate.com/technology/2018/3/27/why-people-are-upset-craigslist-shut-down-personals-page (https://www.advocate.com/technology/2018/3/27/why-people-are-upset-craigslist-shut-down-personals-page)
"The best of" will never be the same...
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As one who generally supports the guy, I don't do the "kind of President" thing. I care about what actually happens, and what doesn't. If Trump says something stupid/pointless/ignorant, or has a really stupid idea, I don't care unless it gets enacted and has a real, substantive effect.
In this instance, I don't support trying to "take down" Amazon, but he can't do it anyway so it is basically a non-issue for me.
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But even if he can't do anything -- just his tweets and his whining adversely affects the markets. He starts a trade war and the Dow plunges. He threatens Amazon and Amazon's stock drops. This stupid childishness doesn't just affect the stereotypical investor with plenty of money who can afford to lose big. It ruins pension plans, IRAs and nest eggs that a lot of us ordinary shlubs depend on or will depend on in our golden years.
Maybe you are the stereotypical investor -- I don't know -- but for most of the rest of us, yes, this is an issue -- a big issue.
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But even if he can't do anything -- just his tweets and his whining adversely affects the markets. He starts a trade war and the Dow plunges. He threatens Amazon and Amazon's stock drops. This stupid childishness doesn't just affect the stereotypical investor with plenty of money who can afford to lose big. It ruins pension plans, IRAs and nest eggs that a lot of us ordinary shlubs depend on or will depend on in our golden years.
Maybe you are the stereotypical investor -- I don't know -- but for most of the rest of us, yes, this is an issue -- a big issue.
And all of this, the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces & Executive Branch of the Government has zero business getting into.
Yet masses and masses on the right are cheering this simply for their hate of the politics of Amazon's owner.
Just wait until this is flipped (again).
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I'm concerned about the future ramifications if Trump is successful. So basically if you want to business in America you have to be 100% loyal to the President?
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This is the kind of chit that's going to get him impeached. Using the power of his office to attempt to crush one very popular company will have even staunch Republicans out for blood.
I predicted he'd be impeached 6 months after his election. It appears I may be a year or two too early. When the repubs are slaughtered in the mid-terms, he'll be gone 6 months after that. The die is already cast.
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And all of this, the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces & Executive Branch of the Government has zero business getting into.
Yet masses and masses on the right are cheering this simply for their hate of the politics of Amazon's owner.
Just wait until this is flipped (again).
I wonder if any in those cheering masses knows where their employer's pension plan or where their own nest egg is invested. I'm willing to bet that a lot of them have stock in Amazon, or maybe WaPO for that matter, and don't know it.
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True story: a couple years ago, I was perusing Craigslist and started looking at the Personals section, just for jollies.
I came across a "woman seeking man" personal. A blurry picture, seemed like a decent enough person, not that I'd ever date anyone off that site. I wondered why she'd be on a seedy place like Craigslist. Well, a couple of days later, I found out. Another guy had apparently taken the bait and found out "she" was a shemale.
They need love too?
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Except. More at:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-hatred-raises-hq2-concerns-2018-3 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-amazon-hatred-raises-hq2-concerns-2018-3)
I used to love shopping Amazon, until it appeared it was apparent that each purchase means a nail in the coffin for brick and mortar stores. Folks, it may not be long until touching, feeling, and trying a product before purchase becomes a thing of the past.
Now, I will only use Amazon for things I can't buy normally at the store. Even if it many paying a few dollars more for it.
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They need love too?
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They need love too?
Never discount The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys in matters of the heart.
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I used to love shopping Amazon, until it appeared it was apparent that each purchase means a nail in the coffin for brick and mortar stores. Folks, it may not be long until touching, feeling, and trying a product before purchase becomes a thing of the past.
Now, I will only use Amazon for things I can't buy normally at the store. Even if it many paying a few dollars more for it.
To be fair, I think a lot of brick and mortar stores are going under because of their own bad business decisions. Look at Sears. Today, I read that the CEO is getting a raise -- while the company is crying that it is losing money. This is the latest in a long line of bad decisions that are killing the chain.
Then there are malls where many of these stores are located. Many of them have become unsafe. Too many gangstas roaming around. If they aren't shooting each other on mall property, they are shoplifting or sticking up the patrons or breaking into cars in the parking lots -- among other things. Mall owners make a lot of money gouging their tenants, but they refuse to spend the money to make their property safe. Add to that the crowds, particularly around the December holidays. Why go through the hassle and potential danger when you can sit at home in your jammies and buy online?
So it's not necessarily Amazon's fault that these retailers aren't smart enough to deliver a product with the speed, convenience, safety and customer service of Amazon.
I agree that there are some things I don't want to buy sight unseen online -- major appliances, for example. And I can't see ordering perishables like milk online, so there will always be stores -- although Amazon is experimenting with physical stores for those things you can't buy online. But for a lot of things -- particularly when the weather is bad or if it's really too much trouble to actually go to a store -- Amazon is all right with me.
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To be fair, I think a lot of brick and mortar stores are going under because of their own bad business decisions. Look at Sears. Today, I read that the CEO is getting a raise -- while the company is crying that it is losing money. This is the latest in a long line of bad decisions that are killing the chain.
Then there are malls where many of these stores are located. Many of them have become unsafe. Too many gangstas roaming around. If they aren't shooting each other on mall property, they are shoplifting or sticking up the patrons or breaking into cars in the parking lots -- among other things. Mall owners make a lot of money gouging their tenants, but they refuse to spend the money to make their property safe. Add to that the crowds, particularly around the December holidays. Why go through the hassle and potential danger when you can sit at home in your jammies and buy online?
So it's not necessarily Amazon's fault that these retailers aren't smart enough to deliver a product with the speed, convenience, safety and customer service of Amazon.
I agree that there are some things I don't want to buy sight unseen online -- major appliances, for example. And I can't see ordering perishables like milk online, so there will always be stores -- although Amazon is experimenting with physical stores for those things you can't buy online. But for a lot of things -- particularly when the weather is bad or if it's really too much trouble to actually go to a store -- Amazon is all right with me.
Some valid points, but there are still plenty of well run companies that are suffering. I'd rather not contribute to their demise.
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Some valid points, but there are still plenty of well run companies that are suffering. I'd rather not contribute to their demise.
The simple truth for all business is adapt or die. The one constant in life beyond death is change.
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The simple truth for all business is adapt or die. The one constant in life beyond death is change.
I agree. For 95% of people getting everything via AMZ via mail, that may be fine. Not for me though, and my prerogative as a consumer to exercise that right.
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Perhaps I’m naive, but this seems like a really stupid thing for a populist liberal to do.
Since with Trump it is always about him, what does he expect to gain from this?
@musiclady
It is personal, as usual, for Trump to destroy anyone opposed to him. Jeff Bezos, owner of Amazon, also owns the Washington Post newspaper, which Trump detests, and Jeff has more money than he does. Trump will keep after Amazon to destroy it and Jeff.
Many of us depend on Amazon for items we use/want due to problems walking distances in big stores and some people have no transportation to get to stores. Amazon delivers when they say it will be there. One time a package was lost in transit and another one was sent immediately. One time I had to return something and by the time I got back from mailing it, it was already credited to my account.
No one is safe from Trump's madness. Medicare not paying for pain meds starts Jan. 1. Plus, only 7 pain pills can be bought at one time. He will say he won the war on drugs as prescriptions for it will drop dramatically. His "win" will cause suicide numbers to go up as people won't be able to stop their pain.
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@musiclady
Plus, only 7 pain pills can be bought at one time.
Would you kindly provide proof for that claim? Thanks in advance.
@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty
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Would you kindly provide proof for that claim? Thanks in advance.
@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty
@truth_seeker
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Dallas Morning News, Wednesday, March 28, 2018, front page, then going to 9A, whole page except for a large ad on page.
"The rule means Medicare would deny coverage for more than seven days of prescription equivalent to 90 milligrams or more of morphine daily, except for patients with cancer or in hospice."
So, you only get 7 days worth unless you are dying.
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The simple truth for all business is adapt or die. The one constant in life beyond death is change.
And Amazon is big for the most part because consumers freely chose them. There isn't a thing on Amazon (other than a few of their branded products but even those have competing types of products) that most people can't choose to buy at a local business or one of thousands of places online.
This really comes down to two things- greed and pettiness. Greed from people that want some of their money and pettiness that they don't agree with them on everything. The government shouldn't be in the business of either (but sadly they are).
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@truth_seeker
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Dallas Morning News, Wednesday, March 28, 2018, front page, then going to 9A, whole page except for a large ad on page.
"The rule means Medicare would deny coverage for more than seven days of prescription equivalent to 90 milligrams or more of morphine daily, except for patients with cancer or in hospice."
So, you only get 7 days worth unless you are dying.
@truth_seeker I found it in the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/health/opioids-medicare-limits.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/health/opioids-medicare-limits.html)
What @Victoria33 says is 100% backed up in the story. Vic, we still have a couple of days to gripe them about it, the rule doesn't get approved until Monday, April 2nd, and NYT is reporting a great deal of blowback on this.
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@truth_seeker I found it in the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/health/opioids-medicare-limits.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/health/opioids-medicare-limits.html)
What @Victoria33 says is 100% backed up in the story. Vic, we still have a couple of days to gripe them about it, the rule doesn't get approved until Monday, April 2nd, and NYT is reporting a great deal of blowback on this.
@Cyber Liberty
Yes, that is the article that is in the Dallas Morning News. If this happens on Jan. 1, let me know which back street ally I can go to, to buy the pain med from a shifty guy with a black hoodie over his face. These guys will always have it. /sarcastic
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http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/prescribing-policies-states-confront-opioid-overdose-epidemic.aspx (http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/prescribing-policies-states-confront-opioid-overdose-epidemic.aspx)
This is a link from the NYT version of the story. It indicates 24 states already have limits, but not CA, AZ or TX.
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http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/prescribing-policies-states-confront-opioid-overdose-epidemic.aspx (http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/prescribing-policies-states-confront-opioid-overdose-epidemic.aspx)
This is a link from the NYT version of the story. It indicates 24 states already have limits, but not CA, AZ or TX.
So, is it OK for Trump's bureaucrats to shove Doctors away from their Patients, leaving them in crippling pain, or just OK if States do it?
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@Cyber Liberty
Yes, that is the article that is in the Dallas Morning News. If this happens on Jan. 1, let me know which back street ally I can go to, to buy the pain med from a shifty guy with a black hoodie over his face. These guys will always have it. /sarcastic
I called my Congresswoman. She's a Dem, so is likely to get in Trump's bureaucrats' faces because she hates the Parade Boy. Hates me too, probably, but I don't care.
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For the sake of thread creep, a medicare/opioid topic.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,310055.msg1645549/topicseen.html#msg1645549 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,310055.msg1645549/topicseen.html#msg1645549)
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For the sake of thread creep, a medicare/opioid topic.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,310055.msg1645549/topicseen.html#msg1645549 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,310055.msg1645549/topicseen.html#msg1645549)
Thanks for posting that!
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I called my Congresswoman. She's a Dem, so is likely to get in Trump's bureaucrats' faces because she hates the Parade Boy. Hates me too, probably, but I don't care.
It looks like Andy Biggs will be my congressman in a month or two. From his Wiki page he looks pretty promising. Any brief opinion of him?
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It looks like Andy Biggs will be my congressman in a month or two. From his Wiki page he looks pretty promising. Any brief opinion of him?
Heard him on Broomhead (I think it was yesterday or the day before). Seems like a good guy, supports "Right to Choose" that would allow terminal patients to try advanced drugs without official FDA approval. Opposes so-called Net Neutrality. You're moving in, right?
I am in the next district over, I have Kyrsten Sinema, a Dem. She's done after this term because she's running for Flake's Senate seat. My district was one of the designated safe Dem seats by the mis-named "non-partisan" Redistricting Committee in 2010.
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Even in his 'trying' he is wiping out billions in investor value with his mouth and his thumbs.
Lost value comes back as soon as people realize that nothing will actually happen.
Even in his 'trying' he is lying about their not paying taxes (they actually pay a crap load).
Even in his 'trying' he is threatening a national sales tax on them.
Even in his 'trying' he is threatening to sick the justice department on them for anti-trust violations even though the are in no way a monopoly. (they are big because consumers choose them, not because there isn't competition).
Yes. Because 'trying" to do something that isn't going to happen anyway doesn't keep me up at night.
Is there anything about this that is Conservative for supports free markets?
So what if it isn't?
I really don't get this. If there was some "Conservative of the Year" poll that actually mattered, or if we were in the middle of a primary season and trying to decide which guy to pick as the nominee, then sure. I'd care more. But otherwise, what ultimately matters more than every stupid word he says, or every moronic tweet, is what actually gets enacted on a policy level. The whole "he's really a bad guy" argument doesn't make sense to me. I don't care much if he's a bad guy, or not a consistent conservative. I care what he actually gets done. Hell, if he does all the right things for all the completely wrong reasons, I'm fine with that.
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People who want a father figure in office are most likely to be offended by the dumb, unpresidential things Trump sometimes does, like a child catching dad picking his nose.
As long as he brings the paycheck home, who cares?
Exactly. That's not to say the other stuff doesn't matter at all, but in terms of relative importance, I'll take the rude, uncultured cad who ends up doing the right thing over the urbane, clever sophisticate who does the wrong thing.
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But even if he can't do anything -- just his tweets and his whining adversely affects the markets. He starts a trade war and the Dow plunges.
And then it popped right back up.
He threatens Amazon and Amazon's stock drops.
It did? You may want to check again.
As I said, stupid words that can't be backed up end up being meaningless. Trump tweets, some morons panic for a few hours, but by the end of the day, the price is up over 1%. Which illustrates perfectly the point I was making about policy being far more important than rhetoric.
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You're moving in, right?
Trying to...
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And then it popped right back up.
Not yet it hasn't, but I'm sure it will. Mrs. Liberty, who is the analyst in this house. is sure of it.
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Trying to...
I hope you can get 'er done before May-June. That's a Hella time to do heavy work like moving.
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Government picking winners and losers ( like Union steel companies benefitting from tariffs) is also Fascism or versions of Communism.
But still his acolytes insist Trump is the most Conservative president we've ever had.
No he's not. He's already to the Left of W Bush AFAIC.
In many ways, Trump is becoming BHO’s third term
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And Amazon is big for the most part because consumers freely chose them. There isn't a thing on Amazon (other than a few of their branded products but even those have competing types of products) that most people can't choose to buy at a local business or one of thousands of places online.
This really comes down to two things- greed and pettiness. Greed from people that want some of their money and pettiness that they don't agree with them on everything. The government shouldn't be in the business of either (but sadly they are).
I also think it comes down to nostalgia for the mom and pop stores. However, truth be told, a lot of mom and pop stores didn't have the item or way overpriced.
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In many ways, Trump is becoming BHO’s third term
Imagine if a Dem attacked amazon.com
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I also think it comes down to nostalgia for the mom and pop stores. However, truth be told, a lot of mom and pop stores didn't have the item or way overpriced.
Well, mom and pop can't afford to lose money on an item solely to maintain market share the way a behemoth like Amazon can.
Do you want to know why mom and pops are popular? Responsiveness. Big chains like Amazon and Wal-Mart have a corporate structure, a chain of command that is inflexible. Each store runs things the way the detached corporate bosses, who usually have never met the employees their human resources departments hired or the customers they're serving, tell you to run them. You pay the employees what they tell you to; so, you have an employee that can provide more value than a mere drone? Too bad, he was hired as a drone, and that's all we have for him. They look at numbers and issue the diktat.
There's a reason why people constantly complain about working and shopping at corporate chains. They treat their employees and their customers like numbers.
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Well, mom and pop can't afford to lose money on an item solely to maintain market share the way a behemoth like Amazon can.
Do you want to know why mom and pops are popular? Responsiveness. Big chains like Amazon and Wal-Mart have a corporate structure, a chain of command that is inflexible. Each store runs things the way the detached corporate bosses, who usually have never met the employees their human resources departments hired or the customers they're serving, tell you to run them. You pay the employees what they tell you to; so, you have an employee that can provide more value than a mere drone? Too bad, he was hired as a drone, and that's all we have for him. They look at numbers and issue the diktat.
There's a reason why people constantly complain about working and shopping at corporate chains. They treat their employees and their customers like numbers.
J. Myrle, I remember when we had a local hardware store, owned by one of the old timer families. Limited stock, over-priced and, per the owner: "that's what we've got, take it or leave it". I usually left it, and as soon as a chain store was built fairly close, the local store closed down. I realize some mom-and-pops aren't like that, but for me, I don't miss the locals.
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Well, mom and pop can't afford to lose money on an item solely to maintain market share the way a behemoth like Amazon can.
Do you want to know why mom and pops are popular? Responsiveness. Big chains like Amazon and Wal-Mart have a corporate structure, a chain of command that is inflexible. Each store runs things the way the detached corporate bosses, who usually have never met the employees their human resources departments hired or the customers they're serving, tell you to run them. You pay the employees what they tell you to; so, you have an employee that can provide more value than a mere drone? Too bad, he was hired as a drone, and that's all we have for him. They look at numbers and issue the diktat.
There's a reason why people constantly complain about working and shopping at corporate chains. They treat their employees and their customers like numbers.
I've never worked for a big chain retail but based on what I hear from friends who have, I think you're largely right about their employees -- at least their warehouse employees -- being numbers.
Having said that, my experience as an Amazon customer has been that they do customer service as good or better than anyone. They've issued refunds for items damaged in shipping with no questions asked and they don't even require a return of the damaged item first (or at all, in some cases). They've replaced at no charge a Kindle reader that was more than a year out of warranty. And I don't have to wait 2 hours on hold when I call their customer service line, either. All-in-all, I have been delighted with how they have taken care of me as a customer.
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I like Amazon because I can find almost anything, even if they're items normally not served locally by existing distribution systems. If I want Maple Syrup only sold in Vermont, I can find it on Amazon and have it in my hands in Arizona within a few days. I'm also lazy and like things delivered like a pizza.
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Where I live, most of the Mom and Pop stores from my youth are gone. For a time they were replaced with payday loan scam outfits. Now we have a business open today, then tomorrow it's gone. More than a few have been raided by the police.
I don't drive. For some stores, there is public transportation, but when it's brutally cold out, I can't be outside waiting for a bus that might not show up. And if the item is really large -- how an I going to cart it home on a bus? And sometimes I will find a grocery item I like at the local supermarket one day -- then a month or so later, the store no longer carries it. Much of the time, I'll find it on Amazon.
For me, online shopping has been a godsend. There are only a handful of online retailers I can trust, and Amazon is one of them. I have a prime membership, which allows me to get free shipping on many items and Prime Movies and TV. Even for non-Prime items I can get some things from a third party seller on Amazon shipped free if I don't mind waiting a week or two.
And as @Polly Ticks indicated, if something goes wrong, Amazon's customer service is exemplary. Once the shipper claimed it had delivered a package from Amazon, but I never received it, or it was stolen. Amazon credited my card right away. Another time, I ordered a food item that was supposed to be low sodium, but it wasn't. I could have returned it for free, if i could print a shipping label -- except I didn't have a printer. Amazon said, forget about trying to return it. My card was credited and i found a local food pantry willing to take the food.
Sure, i don't mind patronizing local businesses if I had any around or any which were reputable. Since I don't, I will stick with Amazon.
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And sometimes I will find a grocery item I like at the local supermarket one day -- then a month or so later, the store no longer carries it. Much of the time, I'll find it on Amazon.
That's been the story for me. My local supermarket, Fry's (Kroger) does that to me a lot, so I'll just take the empty bottle of whatever, search it on Amazon, and find at least a half-dozen sellers offering it.
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That's been the story for me. My local supermarket, Fry's (Kroger) does that to me a lot, so I'll just take the empty bottle of whatever, search it on Amazon, and find at least a half-dozen sellers offering it.
My experience as well. I can get everything that Kroger stops selling on Amazon.
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If this story is true, I'd like to know how he can legally target and destroy a business.
And contrary to what this report says -- if he is successful in destroying Amazon, he's going to have a lot of very irate people on his hands. Jeff Bezos should be the least of his worries.
The source appears to be a questionable site. I would not trust it by perusing other stories on it, as it seems liberal bent.
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The source appears to be a questionable site. I would not trust it by perusing other stories on it, as it seems liberal bent.
The story, or variations thereof, has been reported elsewhere. It's well known that Trump is out to get Bezos and his two major companies, Amazon and WaPo because he is paranoid and a little kid -- out to get his enemies, real or imagined. He also has to creare drama to keep his fans entertained. As long as they are entertained, they will continue to support him.
By the way, it looks like this is a manufactured vendetta, as it appears appears Trump's campaign regularly used Amazon for supplies:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/381143-fec-filings-show-trump-campaign-spent-158k-on-amazon-orders-despite (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/381143-fec-filings-show-trump-campaign-spent-158k-on-amazon-orders-despite)
The reality tv presidency. *****rollingeyes*****
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Just heard on the radio, that USPS loses $1.50 for every Amazon package carrier/delivered.
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Just heard on the radio, that USPS loses $1.50 for every Amazon package carrier/delivered.
So what..
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Just heard on the radio, that USPS loses $1.50 for every Amazon package carrier/delivered.
They make it up on volume.
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Just heard on the radio, that USPS loses $1.50 for every Amazon package carrier/delivered.
So what? The USPS has been doing such a bang-up delivering boxes job Amazon started their own delivery. They won't need USPS for much in a few years. Problem solved!
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So what? The USPS has been doing such a bang-up delivering boxes job Amazon started their own delivery. They won't need USPS for much in a few years. Problem solved!
Makes you wonder why no terrorist ever uses the USPS.
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Makes you wonder why no terrorist ever uses the USPS.
When you absolutely, positively need a package at its destination at a certain time, USPS is the last place you want to ship something. No allowances for DST, either.
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Imagine if a Dem attacked amazon.com
Yup. The same folks ambivalent or cheering Trump bashing Amazon would be in fits of outrage that if Obama was picking winners and losers based on his own personal desires to manipulate the market to punish those he decides need punishing and rewarding those businesses he wants to promote.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9d72nbezwM
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I agree. For 95% of people getting everything via AMZ via mail, that may be fine. Not for me though, and my prerogative as a consumer to exercise that right.
I do that too... As much as I can. I prefer local shops, where I can have the actual object in my hand before I buy.
But the writing is on the wall - A hub kit (both sides, with brakes and calipers) for my van, bought locally through warehouses where I have a p1 account, were going to run nearly 500 bucks (and 5 business days), just for the parts.
Online, same exact parts, same exact brand... Eighty bucks, and two days away.
I like my local vendors, but not that much.
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When you absolutely, positively need a package at its destination at a certain time, USPS is the last place you want to ship something. No allowances for DST, either.
Unions. It kills the efficiency.
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Unions. It kills the efficiency.
UPS is a union shop, too. It's the deadly combination at USPS: unions + government = pus
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UPS is a union shop, too. It's the deadly combination at USPS: unions + government = pus
Yup.
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Just heard on the radio, that USPS loses $1.50 for every Amazon package carrier/delivered.
President Trump, Here's Why The Postal Service Is Charging Amazon 'So Little'
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2017/12/29/trump-criticizes-the-postal-service-for-charging-amazon-so-little/#4575c2d02c46 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2017/12/29/trump-criticizes-the-postal-service-for-charging-amazon-so-little/#4575c2d02c46)
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Forbes no likie my AdBlock.
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It would be interesting to know if Trump, any of his companies, or any of his families are profiting off this? Shorting Amazon on tweets- especially if short orders were put in before a tweet.
(see - 5 CFR 2635.702)
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It would be interesting to know if Trump, any of his companies, or any of his families are profiting off this? Shorting Amazon on tweets- especially if short orders were put in before a tweet.
(see - 5 CFR 2635.702)
Agreed. This is an ever-present hazard since he did not divest his holdings, which I (in my inexperienced mind) think was a mistake.