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General Category => Health/Education => Topic started by: BassWrangler on May 28, 2021, 05:18:21 pm

Title: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 gro
Post by: BassWrangler on May 28, 2021, 05:18:21 pm
https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1398326975991881741?s=20

"Results Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates, and surges were equivocal. Mask use predicted lower case growth at low, but not high transmission rates. Growth rates were comparable between states in the first and last mask use quintiles adjusted for normalized total cases early in the pandemic and unadjusted after peak Fall-Winter infections. Mask use did not predict Summer 2020 case growth for non-Northeast states or Fall-Winter 2020 growth for all continental states.

Conclusions Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges. Containment requires future research and implementation of existing efficacious strategies."


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: thackney on May 29, 2021, 02:08:40 pm
Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 02:18:38 pm
Masks! What are they good for? (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/masks_what_are_they_good_for.html)

The CDC finally said that vaccinated people can ditch the masks. Where I live (in a free red state), a lot of people promptly did. Now, at stores, nobody asks whether those without masks are vaccinated. We trust them to make their own decisions. However, a lot of people are still wearing those skimpy, often dirty rags on their faces. It turns out, though, that they should ditch them, too, because a new, comprehensive study found that masks made no difference to the Wuhan virus’s spread.

Because I’d come from California, with its many wildfires, I had N95 masks on hand when the virus started. We wore them and they may well have stopped a few virus particles from passing through. Of course, the fact that my limited supply meant that we also re-wore them and, about once a week, washed them with liquid detergent suggests that their protection was dubious at best.

Compared to our fellow Americans, though, we were well protected. Whenever we ventured out, we saw people wearing the equivalent of t-shirts or napkins on their faces. They had them under their noses, they touched them constantly, they shuffled them repeatedly in and out of pockets and bags and generally rendered them completely ineffective at stopping viruses. My feeling all year was that the masks were pure theater.

I was right. A study from the University of Louisville, one that initially believed that masks did help, looked at CDC data found -- and discovered that masks were useless when it came to stopping COVID’s spread:-- excerpt, rest at link above --

I was permanently banned from Facebook for spreading this information.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2021, 03:08:32 pm
You're off Bookface now?
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 03:25:01 pm
You're off Bookface now?

Have been for months.  I was told that I was persona non grata.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2021, 03:43:33 pm
Have been for months.  I was told that I was persona non grata.

You told them to kiss your ass again, didntcha? 888mouth
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Hoodat on May 29, 2021, 03:48:17 pm
We knew this a year ago.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 03:55:51 pm
You told them to kiss your ass again, didntcha? 888mouth

No. But I did ignore their fact checkers continually!   :tongue2:
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 03:56:35 pm
We knew this a year ago.

 :yowsa: Longer than that actually!
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: jmyrlefuller on May 29, 2021, 03:59:58 pm
The average time from exposure to infection without a mask is about 15 minutes. Most cloth masks can only increase that to about 20. With a surgical mask, it's about 30, unless it's an N95, which can extend that to hours of exposure—but there aren't nearly enough N95 masks available. So the only situations where a universal mask mandate would improve outcomes is during situations where you're indoors between 15 and 30 minutes. That includes eating in a bar/restaurant (but you have to remove your mask to eat anyway) and certain grocery shopping trips. It doesn't help in the office, or in school, or at any indoor concert, performance, movie showing or sporting event.

The early assumptions that mask mandates were driving drops in transmission in the early days of the pandemic were a classic case of correlation not being a causation, in which the real driver was improving spring weather and moving of activities to outdoors.

I admitted I was willing to try the mask thing. But I'm not going to panic if I see someone not wearing it because I'm no longer convinced they're effective enough to do much at all.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 04:04:47 pm
The average time from exposure to infection without a mask is about 15 minutes. Most cloth masks can only increase that to about 20. With a surgical mask, it's about 30, unless it's an N95, which can extend that to hours of exposure—but there aren't nearly enough N95 masks available. So the only situations where a universal mask mandate would improve outcomes is during situations where you're indoors between 15 and 30 minutes. That includes eating in a bar/restaurant (but you have to remove your mask to eat anyway) and certain grocery shopping trips. It doesn't help in the office, or in school, or at any indoor concert, performance, movie showing or sporting event.

The early assumptions that mask mandates were driving drops in transmission in the early days of the pandemic were a classic case of correlation not being a causation, in which the real driver was improving spring weather and moving of activities to outdoors.

I admitted I was willing to try the mask thing. But I'm not going to panic if I see someone not wearing it because I'm no longer convinced they're effective enough to do much at all.

If you take the time to read the material that comes with N95 masks you will quicky learn that they are designed for use in surgical environments and are pretty much worthless outside those in less than half an hour.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: GtHawk on May 29, 2021, 04:30:08 pm
If you take the time to read the material that comes with N95 masks you will quicky learn that they are designed for use in surgical environments and are pretty much worthless outside those in less than half an hour.
When you take into consideration that even those who could afford to buy the N95 masks were constantly touching both inside and outside surfaces and reusing them until they fell apart....................
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 04:37:19 pm
When you take into consideration that even those who could afford to buy the N95 masks were constantly touching both inside and outside surfaces and reusing them until they fell apart....................

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 29, 2021, 04:40:59 pm
If the assumption the masks were to reduce infections we knew they were a failure from the get-go, but if the masks were intended to prove they could force people to cover their faces like Moslem slave women, then they were a smashing success.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 04:56:12 pm
If the assumption the masks were to reduce infections we knew they were a failure from the get-go, but if the masks were intended to prove they could force people to cover their faces like Moslem slave women, then they were a smashing success.

The Joseph Goebbels crowd is proud of that accomplishment I'm sure.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: DB on May 29, 2021, 06:38:59 pm
Uncovered eyes are another entry point for a virus in the air. Just a mask had no chance of doing what was claimed - ever.

The "follow the science" chants were a mockery of science by the ignorant or worse.
Title: Re: Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19
Post by: Bigun on May 29, 2021, 07:06:34 pm
Uncovered eyes are another entry point for a virus in the air. Just a mask had no chance of doing what was claimed - ever.

The "follow the science" chants were a mockery of science by the ignorant or worse.

 :yowsa: Absolutely right!