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Just curious.
Guests are allowed to vote as well.
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Haven't voted yet, but hope to do so soon if I can find a long enough break in my work schedule to do so before Tuesday. If not, I'll vote on Election Day.
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Voted last week. No line.
There was no "Option" for Voting Early in Person.
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Voted last week. No line.
I wish I could have voted in person. The only time I ever voted by mail was when I was in college. Let’s hope this is “back to normal†by 2022, for congressional votes again.
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Just curious.
Guests are allowed to vote as well.
Guests are allowed to vote? Whaaat? :police:
I'm voting on election day.
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Voted early, in person, October 16th.
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Voted in-office a week back.
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Guests are allowed to vote? Whaaat? :police:
I'm voting on election day.
Guests to the site can vote too.
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Voted early, in person, October 16th.
Did you get an "I Voted" lapel sticker?
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Guests to the site can vote too.
In the election or the poll? :laugh:
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I did early voting a couple of weeks ago. The line was quite long. Lady in front of me was asked to remove her Trump mask....lolololol.
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there is no choice for me..I voted at the court house..early vote.
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Voted in person at the courthouse the 2nd day it was possible to do so. Took about 20 minutes.
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Voted by absentee ballot a week ago but don't trust mail so took it to an official drop box personally.
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Voted in person* the way American's are supposed to vote if you are able-bodied and in-county.
*Voted on the 2 day early voting opened.
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Voted in person less than two hours after the polls opened for early voting.
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I will be voting in person on election day. Still undecided between Trump and Jorgensen, although three nights of mayhem and looting just a mile from my house may focus my mind.
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Did you get an "I Voted" lapel sticker?
Yes
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I will be voting in person on election day. Still undecided between Trump and Jorgensen, although three nights of mayhem and looting just a mile from my house may focus my mind.
You AREN'T making a joke? 3 NOBLE PEACE PIRZE nominations...one last year by Japan, for his work. You wonder?
Then all the work done to help black race. COLLEGE MONEY. SECOND CHANCE FROM PRISON, OPPORTUNITY ZONES,
SCICLE CELL ISSUE...all kind of black issues addressed and taken care of. WHO IS JORGENSEN?
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Early voted in person at the courthouse in my county.
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Other
We got the ballots by mail, wife and I voted against Trump and I turned them in at the Courthouse about a week ago.... :shrug:
About 70% of the voters in Montana have already voted..probably going to be a record year for the number of votes cast.
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I will be voting in person on election day. Still undecided between Trump and Jorgensen, although three nights of mayhem and looting just a mile from my house may focus my mind.
Trump tweeted something mean, so you are exploring throwing away your vote on The Jorg? *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
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Voted early in person although I have never voted early before. It kind of makes me sad that I can't vote on Tuesday.
Still a very long line. In our weekly newspaper they reported that there have been 10,000 early votes. In a county of 55,000...that's a lot! I'll make a big assumption here, since this is a red county I'll be surprised if there is a huge Dem surge.
For many reasons I'll be glad when next Tuesday is over. But mainly so the incessant ads will quit. And my phone will quit ringing.
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Voted early in person although I have never voted early before. It kind of makes me sad that I can't vote on Tuesday.
Still a very long line. In our weekly newspaper they reported that there have been 10,000 early votes. In a county of 55,000...that's a lot! I'll make a big assumption here, since this is a red county I'll be surprised if there is a huge Dem surge.
For many reasons I'll be glad when next Tuesday is over. But mainly so the incessant ads will quit. And my phone will quit ringing.
I have been muting the ads on TV, even those of the candidates that I like or have voted for.
It's just too much.
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I wish I could have voted in person. The only time I ever voted by mail was when I was in college. Let’s hope this is “back to normal†by 2022, for congressional votes again.
@Gefn
Mailed ballot two weeks ago.
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@Gefn
Mailed ballot two weeks ago.
Me too @Victoria33
I feel bad I’m not a poll worker this year. It would have been really interesting this year albeit crazy busy.
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Trump tweeted something mean, so you are exploring throwing away your vote on The Jorg? *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
Last time around, 3rd party candidates carved out almost 6% of the popular vote. Prolly why Trump defeated the drunk one in the moomoo.
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Some said they voted AGAINST POTUS TRUMP. WHY? Headlines from my other site.
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Woman beheaded and 2 others killed in knife attack at French church
Police in UK will enter homes and break up Christmas dinners if families break lockdown rules
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Voted by mail the end of September. Received word the ballot was received and "recorded." "Recorded" does not mean it has been counted. Whether it will be counted depends on the outcome of frivolous lawsuits over PA's mail-in voting procedure
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Voted by mail the end of September. Received word the ballot was received and "recorded." "Recorded" does not mean it has been counted. Whether it will be counted depends on the outcome of frivolous lawsuits over PA's mail-in voting procedure
Pennsylvania's voting system is a cluster this year. What idiocy.
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Me too @Victoria33
I feel bad I’m not a poll worker this year. It would have been really interesting this year albeit crazy busy.
@Gefn
I want you safe at home during "this" election day. 888heartkitty
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Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
Potentially THOUSANDS of requested mail-in ballots in Butler County, PA appear to be “lost†just 5 days before the election
Just 24% of mail-in ballots requested have been returned to the county—the lowest number in the state
Trump won Butler with 67% in 2016.
What’s going on?
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1321923797981655040
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Pennsylvania's voting system is a cluster this year. What idiocy.
I don't believe PA and the counties expected so many to vote by mail. But to be fair i also think much of the problem is due to interference and deliberate sabotage by outsiders.
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Voting on Election Day. Voting AGAINST BIDEN and voting FOR TRUMP!
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Voting in person November 3, even though there's only one race where I feel like voting is worth anything (Congress). I might, for the first time in my adult life, completely skip the Presidential vote.
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Voted by mail the end of September. Received word the ballot was received and "recorded." "Recorded" does not mean it has been counted. Whether it will be counted depends on the outcome of frivolous lawsuits over PA's mail-in voting procedure
@Applewood
Serious question. Given all the uncertainty of the vote in your area,WHY didn't you just go to the courthouse and cast a vote in person? I waited until early the second day to avoid the crowds,and it only took about 20 minutes in total,and this included me watching my vote go in the ballot box.
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Voting in person November 3, even though there's only one race where I feel like voting is worth anything (Congress). I might, for the first time in my adult life, completely skip the Presidential vote.
Even with the coronavirus @jmyrlefuller the GDP boomed to 33.1% -- I think that speaks volumes about Trump's capabilities with the economy.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html)
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398262.msg2314243/topicseen.html#msg2314243 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398262.msg2314243/topicseen.html#msg2314243)
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I personally believe you should only be allowed to vote in person on election day with exceptions to the military, and expats. And employers should grant paid grace time to vote on that day.
Plan your Flucking life around your vote.
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@Applewood
Serious question. Given all the uncertainty of the vote in your area,WHY didn't you just go to the courthouse and cast a vote in person? I waited until early the second day to avoid the crowds,and it only took about 20 minutes in total,and this included me watching my vote go in the ballot box.
@sneakypete
For one thing, the COVID risk to me would have been the same -- lines of possibly infected strangers, little to no social distancing, etc. For another, I don't drive, so I would encounter the same problem with transportation as if I waited till 11/3. None of the drop boxes were close to me either.
Mail was the best option for me this year and as I said, my ballot did get to the elections office without a problem. Now it's going to be up to the courts to decide if my vote will count. And yes, that pisses me off.
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All I get is mail-in... and I am still trying to wrangle a ballot. Looking like it won't come in time.
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I personally believe you should only be allowed to vote in person on election day with exceptions to the military, and expats. And employers should grant paid grace time to vote on that day.
Plan your Flucking life around your vote.
Well, this year we have a pandemic and for many of us, voting in person is too risky. PA does allow mail-in for the elderly, chronically ill, those in nursing homes and such. But unlike some states which just sent out ballots to anyone, PA requires the voter to apply. I don't see what's wrong with that.
And those who insist that mail-in/absentee voting is ripe for fraud: well, those voting machines can be tampered with too. It happened near where I live a couple of years ago. Neither voting method is 100% fraud free. We have an unusual situation this year; I don't get why people can't be flexible under the circumstances and make accommodations for those who can't get to the polls to vote in person.
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Well, this year we have a pandemic and for many of us, voting in person is too risky. PA does allow mail-in for the elderly, chronically ill, those in nursing homes and such. But unlike some states which just sent out ballots to anyone, PA requires the voter to apply. I don't see what's wrong with that.
And those who insist that mail-in/absentee voting is ripe for fraud: well, those voting machines can be tampered with too. It happened near where I live a couple of years ago. Neither voting method is 100% fraud free. We have an unusual situation this year; I don't get why people can't be flexible under the circumstances and make accommodations for those who can't get to the polls to vote in person.
NO. Plan your life to vote. Period. It IS going to be worth dying for.
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NO. Plan your life to vote. Period. It IS going to be worth dying for.
Not for the candidates we keep getting.
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Not for the candidates we keep getting.
lol. Oh? What is wrong with POTUS TRUMP? 3 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINATIONS and he had one last year from JAPAN.
NOT PURE ENOUGH FOR YOU? 9999hair out0000
Give me the name of one person you think is 'pure' enough for you. In this year. Not going back to George Washington days. Even then,....
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lol. Oh? What is wrong with POTUS TRUMP? 3 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINATIONS and he had one last year from JAPAN.
NOT PURE ENOUGH FOR YOU? 9999hair out0000
Give me the name of one person you think is 'pure' enough for you. In this year. Not going back to George Washington days. Even then,....
What is wrong with you?
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Not for the candidates we keep getting.
My point is that voting should be something cherished. Planned for. If you want the effing government involved in your life MAKE them voting by secret ballot a top priority. Live your life like YOU matter and not wait for the nanny state to babysit your ass in any aspect of your life.
Take 114 government regulatory and enforcement agencies to one task on one day every four years. Facilitate the VOTE.
EVERYONE wants the ease of the government to make their vote a yawn.
Whatever.
Voter ID, paper ballots. In person. Put a purple thumbprint on that ballot.
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NO. Plan your life to vote. Period. It IS going to be worth dying for.
I did plan. Applied for a ballot early; as soon as I received it, I filled it out and dropped it in the mail.
This is not a matter of laziness or not taking voting seriously. Not everyone can vote in person, especially this year. i will fight for my right to vote, but I will not take unnecessary risks with my health by voting in person when the mail-in option is available.
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By Mail
Chumps for Trump 2020 !!!!!!
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I did plan. Applied for a ballot early; as soon as I received it, I filled it out and dropped it in the mail.
This is not a matter of laziness or not taking voting seriously. Not everyone can vote in person, especially this year. i will fight for my right to vote, but I will not take unnecessary risks with my health by voting in person when the mail-in option is available.
If yu want mailing or early fine. Makeup every excuse
What is a three percent error on a mailed vote? 4 or 5 million votes?
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I used to trust. NOT any more. Learned the hard way. I trusted you.
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Had to vote by mail. Offshore from before early voting began until after election day.
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Had to vote by mail. Offshore from before early voting began until after election day.
To me that is expat and acceptable.
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Voted in person early voting last Saturday.
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If yu want mailing or early fine. Makeup every excuse
What is a three percent error on a mailed vote? 4 or 5 million votes?
I thought members here valued human life.. I guess not.. Or maybe just the unborn.. The old and sick? Not so much.
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I thought members here valued human life.. I guess not.. Or maybe just the unborn.. The old and sick? Not so much.
Wouldn't be his first foot in mouth example. Normally he means well.
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I personally believe you should only be allowed to vote in person on election day with exceptions to the military, and expats. And employers should grant paid grace time to vote on that day.
Plan your Flucking life around your vote.
@bigheadfred
Lot of kids in college have to vote that way too because they go to school away from home or out of state. I did when I was in college.
My grandpa lived to be a nonagenarian in a nursing home and he voted by mail too. But that was in the 80s.
You’re totally right about employers making the day off with pay.
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Did my 'in person' vote this morning.
Another vote for Trump.
And they did require picture ID.
Funny thing is the Uber driver on the way back was going on and on about how horrible Kamala is.
He said he voted for Trump too. So in a way, that's two for Trump.
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I thought members here valued human life.. I guess not.. Or maybe just the unborn.. The old and sick? Not so much.
I think there should be a higher standard in certain aspects of our lives and there are instances where some things are too convenient.
I want every citizen to vote. People in prison should vote. It is a violation of their human right, to stop them.
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I think there should be a higher standard in certain aspects of our lives and there are instances where some things are too convenient.
I want every citizen to vote. People in prison should vote. It is a violation of their human right, to stop them.
When you are taken out of society you lose that right.
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Voted by mail the end of September. Received word the ballot was received and "recorded." "Recorded" does not mean it has been counted. Whether it will be counted depends on the outcome of frivolous lawsuits over PA's mail-in voting procedure
@Applewood
@Cyber Liberty
Applewood, this is from Penn. election website:
"Once county officials upload the data that says they have received your ballot, your status in the tracker will change to “vote recorded.†That does not actually mean your vote has been counted. It just means your ballot has been officially prepped. Counting of actual votes — which requires opening the internal secrecy envelope — may not begin until 7 a.m. on Election Day, according to current Pennsylvania law."
"Of note: because of that time restriction, and the huge number of mail ballots expected across the state, results for Pa. will not be final on Nov. 3. They won’t be final on Nov. 4 either, or anytime up through and potentially past Nov. 6, which is the last day mail ballots can arrive and still be counted."
That Penn. law is the same as Texas. Once the ballot has determined to be "legal", the Secrecy envelope containing the ballot, is put in a stack. At some point, the Board will open the envelopes and, on election day, send the ballots to machines to count.
Your ballot will be counted as it has been determined to be legal.
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When you are taken out of society you lose that right.
Most people don't stay in prison. Who and how the government is run and run by determines the fate of prisoners to a degree.
Too many people think if you make a mistake you should and ARE a prisoner for life and that is bullshit.
As at October 2020, it was estimated that 5.1 million voting-age US citizens were disenfranchised for the 2020 presidential election on account of a felony conviction, 1 in 44 citizens.
Most people with felonies don't go to prison.
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I think there should be a higher standard in certain aspects of our lives and there are instances where some things are too convenient. I want every citizen to vote. People in prison should vote. It is a violation of their human right, to stop them.
@bigheadfred
@Cyber Liberty
I have not read your state election laws, but it appears you are saying in your state, people in prison cannot vote. That is the same as Texas, to wit:
There is a difference in "jail" and "prison". People in "jail" are normally not yet guilty of a crime. Since they are not "guilty" yet, they can vote absentee.
Those in prison have been proven guilty of a crime, and cannot vote. Once they are out, freely out or under probation, they can vote.
Case in point:
We had two bad guys running the Democrat party in our county. They were not the Dem Chairman of the county, that person was just a place holder for the bad guys. One year one of the bad Dem guys signed up to run for Republican Chairman and my husband was the Republican Chairman of the county.
Both the bad guys had been convicted of crimes in the past. I needed to know if the Democrat convicted criminal could run for office against my husband. I went straight to the Election Division of the Secretary of State's office, to get my answer. The answer was yes, he could run even though he was still on probation. His crime was sexually molesting an underage girl. He got a few votes from Democrats who voted in our Republican Primary. Oh, yes, when he signed up to run, there was a notice in the weekly paper he was running, and he stated his experience was being a "CHEERLEADER" years ago when in high school. This bad guy would follow my car when I left my house. He knew everywhere I went.
A few years later, the other bad guy was under indictment having to do with sexual crimes in two different counties. In another case, his daughter was put in prison for using a shotgun to kill her husband and his father, while they were sleeping. After she did that, she went to her father's house and was arrested there.
I no longer live in that county.
I used to say, when living in that county, that people committed crimes elsewhere, then came to that rural county to live since homes were spread out. That county is also part of the Sam Houston National Forest, and one can hide for a long time without being noticed.
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@Victoria33
Thank you for the PA voting information. The big problem in PA is all the litigation over the state's mail-in voting system in general. So far most have failed. There is a concerted effort to sabotage mail-in voting here under a conspiracy theory that the system is fraught with fraud or will have fraud in this election. But no one has so far proven past or future fraud.
The one suit that might be successful has to do with a PA policy of counting mail-in ballots received 3 days after 11/3 so long as they are postmarked by that date. The case made it to SCOTUS which in a 4-4 vote in effect ruled in favor of PA. The plaintiffs want the decision reconsidered immediately, but the Court turned them down. The state directed the counties to set aside any late-arriving ballots, but for now they won't be counted and might end up not being counted at all.
I did mail-in once before in 2008 after I had been hospitalized but still too weak to stand even for a minute, let alone walk to the poll to vote. Some anonymous nice person applied for the ballot on my behalf 'cuz it wasn't me. But back then the mail-in system worked because there weren't as many voters going that route and we didn't have anyone trying to sabotage the mail-in system. I think this year the pandemic has caused too many voters choosing mail-in and the system became overwhelmed. And this is on top of the deliberate sabotage going on. Hopefully, the state and counties have derived some lessons from this year's cluster-*beep* and the system will work better next year.
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(https://i.imgur.com/jRaTVvi.jpg)
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Voted this morning in my nearest Fort Bend County, TX early polling place. Courteous, clear and efficient poll workers, well-managed situation. Significant activity but no waiting. First time I've inserted a blank paper ballot into a machine, touch-screened my choices, then had the now-marked paper ballot fed back to me; then I dropped it into a collection box.
Mrs. HoustonSam told me on my way out the door "MAGA!"; she did her part several days ago. Don't know whether I did that, but I did what I could to make America non-democrat, top to bottom on the ballot.
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We had the same system in our WV county, @HoustonSam. It was new to me, but quick and easy.
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So when they do the count in Pennsylvania on November 3rd, whatever the count is at the end of the evening, if Trump is in the lead, that will tell the Democommies exactly how many EXTRA ballots Biden will need to defeat Trump. Only one word comes to mind....CORRUPTION!
The pollster from Trafalgar said the other day, Trump needs to get at least 4-5 % more than Biden to overcome the ballot stuffing by the Dems. He thought the Dems cheating in PA was a certainty.
If I had my way, every judge in PA would be removed from office. They are all corrupt. ALL CORRUPT!!!
My wife and I have voted in person, both for Trump, both exclusively Republicans. Also voted for Doug Collins, who is running against 19 other candidates.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXeSkGCLGg
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@jafo2010
The problem with most of these lawsuits is that the plaintiffs have so far not been able to prove massive fraud will occur. Unless they have, say, an email discussing plans to add votes to Biden's total, for example, judges have no choice but to toss these cases.
Some cases have said that there has been voter fraud in the past. I'm sure there has, but no one has been able to prove massive past fraud either.
Then there are the allegations that mail-in voting causes or will cause harm to the plaintiffs. In some cases the plaintiffs are candidates for office, but many of these cases have private citizens not running for office as plaintiffs. How are these voters harmed by people voting by mail? No one has put a gun to the heads of these private citizens to force them to vote by mail. If they choose to vote in person, it's their right to do so. So how does another person voting by mail cause personal harm to these plaintiffs?
We are in the midst of a pandemic. You may not think so, but many others do including experts in the field of infectious diseases. For some of us it is way too risky to vote in person. My doctor has advised me that with flu season coming along with COVID, it is much too dangerous for me to go anywhere this winter because I'm old and have existing health issues. Why should I and others like me be disenfranchised and have our mail-in votes not be counted because someone thinks there MIGHT be fraud in the mail-in voting system?
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I need to change my previous response to 'voted in person with early voting'.
I took my husband and 2 of my boys to the early voting location on Friday afternoon. It was REALLY busy, but the line moved quickly. There were several "First time voter!" call-outs while we were there.
I don't think it's a stretch to think that turnout is going to blow any previous records out of the water.
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@jafo2010
The problem with most of these lawsuits is that the plaintiffs have so far not been able to prove massive fraud will occur. Unless they have, say, an email discussing plans to add votes to Biden's total, for example, judges have no choice but to toss these cases.
Some cases have said that there has been voter fraud in the past. I'm sure there has, but no one has been able to prove massive past fraud either.
Then there are the allegations that mail-in voting causes or will cause harm to the plaintiffs. In some cases the plaintiffs are candidates for office, but many of these cases have private citizens not running for office as plaintiffs. How are these voters harmed by people voting by mail? No one has put a gun to the heads of these private citizens to force them to vote by mail. If they choose to vote in person, it's their right to do so. So how does another person voting by mail cause personal harm to these plaintiffs?
We are in the midst of a pandemic. You may not think so, but many others do including experts in the field of infectious diseases. For some of us it is way too risky to vote in person. My doctor has advised me that with flu season coming along with COVID, it is much too dangerous for me to go anywhere this winter because I'm old and have existing health issues. Why should I and others like me be disenfranchised and have our mail-in votes not be counted because someone thinks there MIGHT be fraud in the mail-in voting system?
You seem to be confused here.... and conflating absentee ballots with "mail-in" ballots that are sent out by Democrats to anyone in a voting district. There is massive fraud involved with the Democrats' scheme of "vote by mail" this election.... which is why they've been pushing it.
This is NOT the same thing as voting by absentee ballot...which has been done since the Civil War days... mostly by US military. You have to request an absentee ballot and you first have to be legally registered to vote in order to receive that ballot.
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Re: Have you voted already? Or are you waiting til November 3?
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2020, 10:05:22 AM »
Quote from: bigheadfred on October 30, 2020, 09:54:30 AM
I think there should be a higher standard in certain aspects of our lives and there are instances where some things are too convenient.
I want every citizen to vote. People in prison should vote. It is a violation of their human right, to stop them.
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BULL. If they were people of good moral fiber, they would NOT be in prison. Zero common sense. Part of their punishment is losing their 'rights'. WHO ARE YOU?
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I thought members here valued human life.. I guess not.. Or maybe just the unborn.. The old and sick? Not so much.
@Applewood
Name ONE poster here that ever even hinted it was somehow wrong for the sick/injured/elderly to vote by mail?
Or anyone whose job or life circumstances have them out of the country or otherwise not able to cast a vote in person?
However,given the "honestly and self-respect" of the Dims,voting in person is ALWAYS the only ASSURED way to make sure your vote is counted correctly.
Not being willing to take a day of vacation time away from work to vote is not a reason. It's a lame-ass excuse.
"Going to wait until tomorrow" is not even an excuse. In most cases it is a lie because whoever says that is almost guaranteed to never get around to voting,and it is not only your RIGHT as a citizen to vote,IT IS YOUR DUTY!
Unless of course you vote Dim or 3rd Party. If that is the case,ignore all of this. Get drunk,beat your wife,or even better,the neighbors wife. Get involved in a high speed chase with the police trying to get away. Those are just a couple of the ways you can make yourself useful.
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Wouldn't be his first foot in mouth example. Normally he means well.
@catfish1957 @bigheadfred
I would be willing to bet the farm that is NOT the way Fred meant what he wrote to be taken.
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@bigheadfred
Lot of kids in college have to vote that way too because they go to school away from home or out of state. I did when I was in college.
My grandpa lived to be a nonagenarian in a nursing home and he voted by mail too. But that was in the 80s.
You’re totally right about employers making the day off with pay.
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@bigheadfred @Gefn
I TOTALLY disagree with both of you on the employer being forced to pay their employees to vote by giving them a day off with pay.
They are their EMPLOYERS,not their daddies. WHY the HELL should they be made to suffer financially in order to give all their employees a day off so they might,or might not vote? After all,there is nothing FORCING them to vote on that day,and it could be they had already voted by mail,or never had any intentions or interest in voting to start with.
Not to mention the FACT that mandatory paid day off to vote smacks of "vote buying". If you have to be paid to vote,you shouldn't be allowed to vote!
Now,if you want to make Election Day a National Holiday,I can get behind that one 100 percent.
In fact,it's surprising this wasn't done from the beginning,with an early day or two available to vote for essential employees who for whatever reason are unable to vote on the actual designated election day. They just take that day off to vote instead,and work on election day.
Elections are BIG national events. Why doesn't our state and feral government treat them that way by declaring them to be holidays?
@mystery-ak
Nancy,seems to me THIS would be a very good crusade for TBR to create and push/sponsor some way?
Maybe someone connected to TBR has a close political connection with a congresscritter,and get them to write a bill declaring election day to be a National Holiday.
Or start some sort of on-line petition?
This is a political board,so let's get political!
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I think there should be a higher standard in certain aspects of our lives and there are instances where some things are too convenient.
I want every citizen to vote. People in prison should vote. It is a violation of their human right, to stop them.
@bigheadfred
Fred,if you are willing to alter that to state people who have been to prison get their right to vote restored after serving their sentences,I can go along with that.
People still serving time,no way.
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@bigheadfred @Gefn
I TOTALLY disagree with both of you on the employer being forced to pay their employees to vote by giving them a day off with pay.
They are their EMPLOYERS,not their daddies. WHY the HELL should they be made to suffer financially in order to give all their employees a day off so they might,or might not vote? After all,there is nothing FORCING them to vote on that day,and it could be they had already voted by mail,or never had any intentions or interest in voting to start with.
Not to mention the FACT that mandatory paid day off to vote smacks of "vote buying". If you have to be paid to vote,you shouldn't be allowed to vote!
Now,if you want to make Election Day a National Holiday,I can get behind that one 100 percent.
In fact,it's surprising this wasn't done from the beginning,with an early day or two available to vote for essential employees who for whatever reason are unable to vote on the actual designated election day. They just take that day off to vote instead,and work on election day.
Elections are BIG national events. Why doesn't our state and feral government treat them that way by declaring them to be holidays?
@mystery-ak
Nancy,seems to me THIS would be a very good crusade for TBR to create and push/sponsor some way?
Maybe someone connected to TBR has a close political connection with a congresscritter,and get them to write a bill declaring election day to be a National Holiday.
Or start some sort of on-line petition?
This is a political board,so let's get political!
:thumbsup:
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@sneakypete
I meant the holiday thing, so it would kinda be a paid work day?
I swear I’m getting dumber and dumber the longer this quarantine lockdown goes on and my interaction with real people is close to nothing.
If I stay absolutely still I can hear my gray cells dying. Either that or I’m starting to get senile.
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@sneakypete
I meant the holiday thing, so it would kinda be a paid work day?
@Gefn
AFAIK,only goobermint workers are guaranteed paid national holidays.
I guess some union workers get them under their union contracts,but that's just a guess.
For everyone else,a national holiday is just a day off without pay.
BTW,FOR THIS HOLIDAY,I WANT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES TO NOT GET PAID FOR DOING THEIR CIVIC DUTY!
They work for the damn government,and should understand it is their DUTY to vote!
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You seem to be confused here.... and conflating absentee ballots with "mail-in" ballots that are sent out by Democrats to anyone in a voting district. There is massive fraud involved with the Democrats' scheme of "vote by mail" this election.... which is why they've been pushing it.
This is NOT the same thing as voting by absentee ballot...which has been done since the Civil War days... mostly by US military. You have to request an absentee ballot and you first have to be legally registered to vote in order to receive that ballot.
In PA the distinction is mail-in votes are for the old, sick, disabled and such. Absentee means as you said -- those out of their voting district on election day. PA, unlike other states, did not blanket mail ballots to everyone and I can understand the concern over those states which did. In this state one has to apply for mail-in or absentee to the state. The exception would be the military, which I understand has a separate application process.
The lawsuits here seek to disregard all votes by mail or even those left in county drop off boxes or at satellite voting centers (we had a few where you could fill out an application, it was granted or rejected on the spot and if accepted, you could fill out your ballot and hand it in right then). And at least one suit wants to nullify votes received 3 days after 11/3 which is absurd since no one is going to have a complete count right on 11/3. I still don't see what the friggin' problem is with any of this.
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@Applewood
Name ONE poster here that ever even hinted it was somehow wrong for the sick/injured/elderly to vote by mail?
Bigheadfred
Or anyone whose job or life circumstances have them out of the country or otherwise not able to cast a vote in person?
Well, it appears some people in my state do. You see, unless someone opens the security envelope or is able to access the voter's application for a ballot, there is no way of knowing how or why someone voted by mail. These a-holes in my state want to throw all of the ballots out because they think they MIGHT be fraudulent.
However,given the "honestly and self-respect" of the Dims,voting in person is ALWAYS the only ASSURED way to make sure your vote is counted correctly.
Well, I said elsewhere -- voting machines can be tampered with. In fact, I believe it happened a couple of years ago here, but no one really looked into the matter. There really is no 100% foolproof method of voting. And really, I'd like to know how any of the ones filing lawsuits knows for sure that any or all of the mail-in/absentee ballots submitted in PA are fraudulent. Kind hard to prove fraud is going to happen. Maybe you can afterwards, but highly unlikely before.
Not being willing to take a day of vacation time away from work to vote is not a reason. It's a lame-ass excuse.
"Going to wait until tomorrow" is not even an excuse. In most cases it is a lie because whoever says that is almost guaranteed to never get around to voting,and it is not only your RIGHT as a citizen to vote,IT IS YOUR DUTY!
Unless of course you vote Dim or 3rd Party. If that is the case,ignore all of this. Get drunk,beat your wife,or even better,the neighbors wife. Get involved in a high speed chase with the police trying to get away. Those are just a couple of the ways you can make yourself useful.
When I worked, I never asked for time off. Voting on election day here is from 7 am to 8 pm. I could always go before or after work. And I know for sure that is not an acceptable reason in this state to obtain a mail-in/absentee ballot.
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In PA the distinction is mail-in votes are for the old, sick, disabled and such. Absentee means as you said -- those out of their voting district on election day. PA, unlike other states, did not blanket mail ballots to everyone and I can understand the concern over those states which did. In this state one has to apply for mail-in or absentee to the state. The exception would be the military, which I understand has a separate application process.
The lawsuits here seek to disregard all votes by mail or even those left in county drop off boxes or at satellite voting centers (we had a few where you could fill out an application, it was granted or rejected on the spot and if accepted, you could fill out your ballot and hand it in right then). And at least one suit wants to nullify votes received 3 days after 11/3 which is absurd since no one is going to have a complete count right on 11/3. I still don't see what the friggin' problem is with any of this.
The obvious problem I see is... that it gives the left the excuse they need to delay announcing the results of the election... until they count enough to get enough of the numbers they need to win... a-la-Al-Franken style. It ain't rocket science.
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@sneakypete
I meant the holiday thing, so it would kinda be a paid work day?
I swear I’m getting dumber and dumber the longer this quarantine lockdown goes on and my interaction with real people is close to nothing.
If I stay absolutely still I can hear my gray cells dying. Either that or I’m starting to get senile.
Please don't say negative things about yourself. :nono:
Plenty of people on here, who will do that for you! :whistle:
I like the holiday thing, for all. VOTING DAY. TAKES CARE OF ALL ISSUES.
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@Applewood
@libertybele
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
Applewood, you said, "Well, I said elsewhere -- voting machines can be tampered with. In fact, I believe it happened a couple of years ago here, but no one really looked into the matter."
"Voting Machines Security", followed by "Paper Ballots Security"
Voting Machines
I was working in politics when the Florida 2000 mess happened. As a result of that, hanging chad ballots were outlawed and the federal govn. passed the Help America Vote Act. In this act, money was given to states to buy voting machines if they wanted them. That is the time most states went to voting machines. This federal law documented how states had to examine such machines and make choices.
The Texas Secretary of State and that office in other states, examined machines and approved a number of them counties could buy. The Texas Election Law (as in other states, too), made laws/rules to follow to make the machines secure.
You see, elections just don't "happen". There are laws that determine how elections are run, right down to machines and paper ballots.
The county commissioner's court examines machines and determine which type they will buy, (in this beginning of getting the first machines through the Help America Vote Act, the federal government paid for them.)
Once the machines are in the county courthouse, the machine company teaches the officials how these machines work. They are then sealed in a room that has two locks. One key goes to the Election Administrator and the other key goes to the Sheriff. The room will not open without the two keys. If the Sheriff is on the ballot, that key goes to the County Judge. The Sheriff and County Judge are elected in different years.
Now, an election is coming up. The county can have the Company who made the machines, prepare the software program for that election and put the program on all the machines. If the county has a programmer, that person may install the program on the machines. Remember, the room for all machines are locked with two locks, the room is never left open for anyone to get into that room. THEN,
The Republican County Chairman and the Democrat County Chairman, meet with the Election Administrator and every machines is checked for accuracy. Should any machine fail, that machine is removed to be "fixed" and returned to the others.
Early on election day, the Sheriff Deputies, put the machines in their truck/whatever, and deliver them to each polling place. Once in the polling place, the machines are plugged in and the Judge and Alternate Judge (one a Democrat; the other a Republican), check to make sure each machine is set at 0.
These machines are COUNTERS; that is all they do. They are not hooked to the internet. They have a disk inside that counts the ballots. Another check: In the "guts" of the machine there is another disk recording the count, a disk no one can take out except the Company who made it. A technician from that company can remove it. This is a safe duplicate to have in case something is wrong with the first disk.
At the end of the day, the Judge and Alternate Judge remove the disks and both of them stay together to take the disks to central counting, their vehicle followed by a Sheriff's Deputy until the disks are handed over to central counting.
During the last presidential election, there were two men who said they changed a voting machine. The internet went nuts - here was proof you can change a voting machine.
Remember all the machines are locked in a room with two locks? These two men did not say how they got a machine but you MUST have the machine or you can't change it. So, they actually had a machine and messed with it. Your grandchild could mess with a machine if he/she had it. These machines are never left in a hallway or anywhere else for someone to mess with it. Remember, room-two locks.
PAPER BALLOTS
Paper ballots are used for mail ballots and some counties use paper ballots all the way through the election. Some machines have a paper ballot that goes into the machine.
Let's say you are on my Early Voting Ballot Board. We are meeting for the first time to evaluate mail ballots. We are in a room and the door is locked. No one can come in the room unless the person knocks and I go to the door to determine if that person can come in. It is a county clerk delivering metal large boxes with mailing envelopes inside. I go to the boxes, go to one and look at the number on the wire lock. The clerk has a sheet with a wire lock number for each box. Yes, this box has a wire lock with a number and the same wire lock number is on the sheet. What does this tell me? It says from the time this box was locked, it has not been opened. This is why: You can only use a wire lock one time. To get it off, you have to break the wire and it cannot be put back together.
At the end of the day we leave and come back the next day to continue the work. Before leaving, the Judge must do this: Place all ballot material in the boxes from whence they came. Place a wire lock on every box. Write down on a form the wire lock number of each box. A clerk will come and place the boxes back in the secure room; the two locks are applied.
The next day, we start again, and I check each wire lock on each box to make sure it is the same lock number I wrote at the end of the previous day.
If you messed with my boxes and wire locks, as the Judge of the Board, I have the power of a District Judge and I would have you thrown in jail. DON'T MESS WITH MY BOXES.
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Voted in person at the courthouse the 2nd day it was possible to do so. Took about 20 minutes.
Why did you vote in person?
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Why did you vote in person?
@bigheadfred
So I could personally hand my vote over to an official,and watch it disappear into the lock box. *I* KNOW who was voted for on that ballot,and I know for an absolute fact MY vote was counted.
I get a great deal of personal satisfaction out of doing that.
I never voted while in the army and don't think military people should be able to vote because of the obvious conflict of interest. Just my personal opinion. I never tried to demand others live by it even though I thought and still think it is a moral imperative.
I understand some European Military organizations of today have a clause in their oath giving them a right to vote on going to war or not if it would involve them fighting out of their country. Which basically means they are parasites stealing taxpayer money.
Besides,it ain't like busting rocks with a hammer in the hot sun,and for the remote chance of a little excitement,there is always the possibility someone will try to intimidate me into voting Dim or not voting. I have never seen this happen in person,but I have seen it on tv and internet clips,so I know it IS possible.
Fun is where you find it.
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Uh huh
So I could personally hand my vote over to an official,and watch it disappear into the lock box. *I* KNOW who was voted for on that ballot,and I know for an absolute fact MY vote was counted.
Thanks for making my point.
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Re: Have you voted already? Or are you waiting til November 3?
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2020, 10:05:22 AM »
Quote from: bigheadfred on October 30, 2020, 09:54:30 AM
I think there should be a higher standard in certain aspects of our lives and there are instances where some things are too convenient.
I want every citizen to vote. People in prison should vote. It is a violation of their human right, to stop them.
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BULL. If they were people of good moral fiber, they would NOT be in prison. Zero common sense. Part of their punishment is losing their 'rights'. WHO ARE YOU?
You get all bothered by Communism here and abroad and then say something like this.
Ahfuck with me and you will know who I am.
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The obvious problem I see is... that it gives the left the excuse they need to delay announcing the results of the election... until they count enough to get enough of the numbers they need to win... a-la-Al-Franken style. It ain't rocket science.
And here we run into the problem of proving what MIGHT happen. No one knows what the future holds.
And this doesn't explain why, if some plaintiffs have their way, none of the mail-in/absentee ballots in PA will be counted. I sent mine the end of September and the county has it. So my vote damm better be counted.
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And here we run into the problem of proving what MIGHT happen. No one knows what the future holds.
@Applewood
Not in Pa. They have a proven track record there. They never find all the boxes and all the votes until all the rest of the votes have been counted,and they know how many votes they need to "find" for the Dim candidate to win.
It's a tradition there. They cheat,everybody KNOWS they cheat,and yet nobody seems to be interested in sending anyone to prison.
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@Victoria33
Once again, thank you for your valuable information.
The story here was that a machine mysteriously would not allow votes for Republican candidates, only Democrats. A first I thought it was an internet rumor, but election officials announced there was a mechanical malfunction or something Now I don't know nuttin' about mechanics or electronics, but it did seem suspicious that a voting machine would not accept any Republican votes. My town and much of this region is heavily Democrat with a long history of voting "irregularities." So the story is plausible to those who live here.
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And here we run into the problem of proving what MIGHT happen. No one knows what the future holds.
And this doesn't explain why, if some plaintiffs have their way, none of the mail-in/absentee ballots in PA will be counted. I sent mine the end of September and the county has it. So my vote damm better be counted.
While it's quite true that nobody (but God) knows what will happen.... when you factor in probability, based on past observation and experience with leftist Democrat behavior re: voter fraud and criminal activity in general.... it's a pretty safe bet that the Democrats will pull out all the voter fraud/cheating stops this election. Hell, they've even been saying what they will do to win. And when they say by any means necessary, they ain't kidding.
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I found this interesting. I live in a red county of approx. 56,000. I looked this up...in 2016 were 36,123 registered voters of which 21,752 voted. In our weekly newspaper they reported 13,000 early votes with two days remaining for early votes this year.
Since I have always voted on election day...I just went for a drive-by at our polling place. There was no line. I will be interested to see what the paper reports this week as far as lines, etc. in the other cities in the county.This might very well be indicative of other areas.
It did make me sad. I love to vote on election day. No line and gorgeous weather!
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It did make me sad. I love to vote on election day. No line and gorgeous weather!
I voted last week because my back hurts to much to have to stand and wait for any period of time, but we're also having beautiful weather. The cold is coming, but we'll enjoy these few days while we have them.
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I found this interesting. I live in a red county of approx. 56,000. I looked this up...in 2016 were 36,123 registered voters of which 21,752 voted. In our weekly newspaper they reported 13,000 early votes with two days remaining for early votes this year.
Since I have always voted on election day...I just went for a drive-by at our polling place. There was no line. I will be interested to see what the paper reports this week as far as lines, etc. in the other cities in the county.This might very well be indicative of other areas.
It did make me sad. I love to vote on election day. No line and gorgeous weather!
@berdie in my county (about the same size as yours) 55.6% of ALL the registered voters had already voted before today) Likely true in your County as well.
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I voted last week because my back hurts to much to have to stand and wait for any period of time, but we're also having beautiful weather. The cold is coming, but we'll enjoy these few days while we have them.
That's my issue as well. I can't stand too long due to back issues. I even took a "camp chair" just in case. I will miss this beautiful, perfect weather.
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@berdie in my county (about the same size as yours) 55.6% of ALL the registered voters had already voted before today) Likely true in your County as well.
It is making me hopeful, for Texas at least. Personally, I would love a state electoral college so us smaller counties aren't stomped out.
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I voted today. I ran into my friend, the Pressident of the Colorado River Republicans Womens club at the polling place. It is a church,and she had just come from the Chapel where she was praying for Trump.
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I just voted (in Williamson Co., Texas). There was no wait when my wife and I got there, although there were a good number of people voting. There was a line waiting to vote when we came out though, so I guess we got there just in time.
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I just voted (in Williamson Co., Texas). There was no wait when my wife and I got there, although there were a good number of people voting. There was a line waiting to vote when we came out though, so I guess we got there just in time.
Sadly you are in a county that catches the Austin stench.
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Sadly you are in a county that catches the Austin stench.
I'm in one of the reddest counties in the nation. People were high-fiving me everywhere.
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We just voted. Mimimal wait. I got my "I Voted" sticker. Which is the only reason I showed up. 5 minutes or less.
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I even took a "camp chair" just in case.
Ha! I carry one of those around with me too, @berdie ...One of those sturdy ones with the fold-up table attached on the side... It's in the rig with me no matter where I go.