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Briefing Room Polls (Guests Welcome!) => The Briefingroom Polls => Topic started by: Skeptic on December 24, 2018, 08:51:04 am
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I say that yes, if you oppose the wall you oppose the
people who make the U.S.A. a wonderful place to live.
A border wall is badly needed to keep illegals out.
They say the wall is $5b dollars and where they getting
the money? Illegal immigrants drain $25 billion
dollars a year from the U.S. economy. Seems like a no
brainer from an economic viewpoint. The wall would
pay for itself very quickly. Not to mention the safety
concerns an open and unprotected border causes and
the number of jobs available to real citizens would
skyrocket when bad corporations can't hire illegal
labor. Who wouldn't want a strong border? Our enemies,
that's who. If you oppose the wall you can't be trusted.
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Unemployment would drop like a fly.
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Yes.
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if I don't do this, or if I believe that, then I'm an enemy of the people
The left is doing it too. Both sides are becoming increasingly volatile and averse to any compromise.
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The left is doing it too. Both sides are becoming increasingly volatile and averse to any compromise.
Which is why we’ll be shooting at each other inside of 10years, probably sooner.
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I say that yes, if you oppose the wall you oppose the
people who make the U.S.A. a wonderful place to live.
A border wall is badly needed to keep illegals out.
They say the wall is $5b dollars and where they getting
the money? Illegal immigrants drain $25 billion
dollars a year from the U.S. economy. Seems like a no
brainer from an economic viewpoint. The wall would
pay for itself very quickly. Not to mention the safety
concerns an open and unprotected border causes and
the number of jobs available to real citizens would
skyrocket when bad corporations can't hire illegal
labor. Who wouldn't want a strong border? Our enemies,
that's who. If you oppose the wall you can't be trusted.
Clarification, the wall isn't $5 Billion, the wall is project to be $70-$90 Billion. Also, only a fraction of illegals walk across the border where the wall is being built so it wouldn't wipe out all $25 Billion in the expenses.
The $5 billion being fought over now is just to get started.
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Also, 'enemy of the people's sure does seem hyperbolic. Many who support border security see the wall as a panacia that won't make a difference. It doesn't shut off the magnets that attract people here and only addresses a fraction of the issue. It is like trying to patch a broken pipe before shutting off the water main.
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Heck no.
I have to cut some slack to members of my family who oppose the wall, but whom I love dearly. They are old school democrats and they don’t hate America. Sorry if that discombobulates anyone.
Besides, in the near future innovations in technology will probably eliminate the need for walls at the border. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
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Heck no.
I have to cut some slack to members of my family who oppose the wall, but whom I love dearly. They are old school democrats and they don’t hate America. Sorry if that discombobulates anyone.
Besides, in the near future innovations in technology will probably eliminate the need for walls at the border. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Just out of curiousity @aligncare, how do they explain that unlimited immigration is an OK thing?
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Just out of curiousity @aligncare, how do they explain that unlimited immigration is an OK thing?
For the record, I’m against illegal immigration, and as far as I know, so are they. Therefore answering the question you posed is above my pay grade.
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For the record, I’m against illegal immigration, and as far as I know, so are they. Therefore answering the question you posed is above my pay grade.
OK, thanks.
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What good will a wall do if we continue to just let in anyone and everyone? If this country does not take serious steps to curb illegsl immigration, the wall will be a meaningless gimmick.
The old walls don't work argument. Complete BS, walls work. There is a reason every city in the old
world had a wall around it. The great wall of China kept the Mongols out for hundreds of years. It
was so effective the Mongols had to bribe Chinese guards to open the gates in order to gain entry
into China. Hadrian's Wall kept Roman Britain safe for hundreds of years. Israel built a wall to keep
Israel safe and it works.
Walls don't work is just another NeverTrumper BS argument that is easily falsified by looking a the
history of walls. Even the much disrespect Maginot Line (wall on the French Border) worked. It
forced the German army to invade France thru Belgium which was its' purpose.
The military usefulness of walls was mitigated by the invention of gun powder. However the people
stopping ability a great big fortified wall is the same today as it's has been since the first walled
city was build over 7,000 years ago.
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The old walls don't work argument. Complete BS, walls work. There is a reason every city in the old
world had a wall around it. The great wall of China kept the Mongols out for hundreds of years. It
was so effective the Mongols had to bribe Chinese guards to open the gates in order to gain entry
into China. Hadrian's Wall kept Roman Britain safe for hundreds of years. Israel built a wall to keep
Israel safe and it works.
Walls don't work is just another NeverTrumper BS argument that is easily falsified by looking a the
history of walls. Even the much disrespect Maginot Line (wall on the French Border) worked. It
forced the German army to invade France thru Belgium which was its' purpose.
The military usefulness of walls was mitigated by the invention of gun powder. However the people
stopping ability a great big fortified wall is the same today as it's has been since the first walled
city was build over 7,000 years ago.
A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.
...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.
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It certainly makes you an enemy of the Trumpers if you oppose the Wall for whatever reason. Though some I suspect are Russian Bots I suppose the majority of them are just misguided Americans. Merry Christmas.
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A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.
...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.
You still have not explained why a big manned wall will not help prevent 100s of thousands of
illegals from walking into the USA.
A wall is not a 7th century solution, it is a 21st century solution, just ask the Israelis.
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2013/01/F090618KG04-1024x640.jpg)
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It certainly makes you an enemy of the Trumpers if you oppose the Wall for whatever reason. Though some I suspect are Russian Bots I suppose the majority of them are just misguided Americans. Merry Christmas.
Where we have a border wall illegal entry into the USA was reduced by over 90%. Walls work, so if
you oppose the wall you are effectively enabling illegal entry into the USA. Is the wall a magic
bullet? No, but it is an important part of the solution to securing out borders.
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Hungary has claimed that its fences on the borders with Croatia and Serbia have helped to cut the inflow of migrants by 99.7 percent since 2015. The small inland nation now has one quarter of the length of its borders protected by a fence.
“The number of successful attempts to illegally cross the border fell from 391,000 in 2015 to 18,236 in 2016 and only 1,184 in 2017,†the Hungarian prime minister’s chief security advisor, Gyorgy Bakondi, told reporters...
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I believe in the wall, but not where most of you think it should be built. We should treat this invasion of migrants as an act of war. Reassign our troops to repel and attack this migrant army at its source. Destroy the drug lords, destroy the corrupt politicians, and move the southern US border from Mexico down to the southern Panamanian border. And fix this problem once and for all.
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voted yes
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PErUiAyVoGc#)
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Illegal immigrants are our strength.
Diversity is wonderful.
Build kind, welcoming societies, not dark walls.
Only a Trump loving orange Hitler worshipping racist could want walls.
Jesus would carry immigrants over the border, on his back, by the hundreds, feeding them on the way. Not to mention washing their feet, in consecrated conservative waters.
Only dirty rotten Freepers, from the terrible old homeland, could hate immigrates. Once a Notion.
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What a surprise! *****rollingeyes*****
@Applewood
It's not MY fault you can't handle the truth.
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A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.
...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.
Water is a "Same day as the world became alive" creation,and it still works as good as ever.
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Illegal immigrants are our strength.
Diversity is wonderful.
Build kind, welcoming societies, not dark walls.
Only a Trump loving orange Hitler worshipping racist could want walls.
Jesus would carry immigrants over the border, on his back, by the hundreds, feeding them on the way. Not to mention washing their feet, in consecrated conservative waters.
Only dirty rotten Freepers, from the terrible old homeland, could hate immigrates. Once a Notion.
@truth_seeker
"We iz da wurld,senor!
"We iz da peep-pulls....."
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A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.
...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.
I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."
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Stop it.
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I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."
Not just your standard minefield. A chip, or neural net, in your head.
Not up to muster?
(https://i.imgur.com/Vt1kpAm.jpg)
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You ever wonder about things?
Korea
Viet Nam
Iraq
F ghanistan
Syria
Tens of thousands of American lives lost.
Trillions of $ lost.
For what?
And we refuse to defend our selves.
I'm buying stock in Crayola.
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I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."
88devil 888high58888
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I'd agree with that, if by "technological innovation" you mean "minefield."
Who knows? That could be in the equation. The future is ripe with possibilities.
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Clarification, the wall isn't $5 Billion, the wall is project to be $70-$90 Billion. Also, only a fraction of illegals walk across the border where the wall is being built so it wouldn't wipe out all $25 Billion in the expenses.
The $5 billion being fought over now is just to get started.
That changes it. $70b needed to wall the whole 1900 mile
border. $5b should cover 150 miles or close. 150 miles is
a long distance and if built in the right place would reduce
a large portion of border hopping.
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It's not a truth. It's your whacked out opinion.
Actually, it comes from Saul Alynsky. Accuse your opponent of treason or any of a number of other heinous faults and marginalize him or her. You must be so proud to have so much in common with today's Democrats, Antifa and other radical socialists/communists.
(https://i.postimg.cc/6p1c3dSH/proxy-duckduckgo-com.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmzzcnP8)
This wall worked for many years.
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There's a wall around the White House. Wall and fence
companies are in business and making bank. If walls
don't work then how come they are used everywhere?
This argument has no point but because of the intelligence
level of Democrats needs to happen so they can make
it harder for us to defend ourselves because they love
endangering everyone and threatening America. Whose
side are they on anyways?
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A wall is a 7th century (BC) solution to a modern problem.
...and so technological innovation will soon eliminate the need for border walls in modern times.
No, it won't. The thing with a wall (a real one) is that it is passive - Once constructed, there it is - whether regime changes, whether time.
Tech remains dynamic and active (not passive), and is subject to political winds. All it takes to make it immediately go away is for someone to turn off the switch.
No, walls work, if for no other reason than that they cost too much to tear down.
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It's not a truth. It's your whacked out opinion.
Actually, it comes from Saul Alynsky. Accuse your opponent of treason or any of a number of other heinous faults and marginalize him or her. You must be so proud to have so much in common with today's Democrats, Antifa and other radical socialists/communists.
@Applewood
Yeah,if there is one thing I am known for it is being a commie.
The Open Borders crowd at the commies,comrade!
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@Applewood
Yeah,if there is one thing I am known for it is being a commie.
The Open Borders crowd at the commies,comrade!
If he dropped the commie and just went with pinko fag he might have something there. :laugh:
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Issue is not a Trump issue, it is a national security issue. Voted Yes.
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No wall, more war in Syria.
#nevertrumpers line up with democRats, AGAIN.
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No.
While I want a wall, others might find it impractical while still supporting other aspects of the solution to our illegal immigration crisis. I don't think they are the enemy just because they disagree about implementation. And honestly, I don't think we'll ever get a wall anyway.
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No wall, more war in Syria.
#nevertrumpers line up with democRats, AGAIN.
If it walks like a ..........
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No.
While I want a wall, others might find it impractical while still supporting other aspects of the solution to our illegal immigration crisis.
@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
Nope. The left and people who LOVE cheap illegal alien labor have turned this into a polarized issue. You are either for the wall,or you are for open borders and a Dim/Communist/Fascist world where America is just an economic zone.
There is no longer a "in-between".
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Seems to me by wanting to spend billions we don't have on a wall we don't need, it is the Trump fans who are more in line with tax and spend Democrats.
So we'll spend billions on illegals instead. many more billions. do you live in the real world?
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Seems to me by wanting to spend billions we don't have on a wall we don't need, it is the Trump fans who are more in line with tax and spend Democrats.
You might want to check out this thread
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,345355.msg1876958/topicseen.html#msg1876958 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,345355.msg1876958/topicseen.html#msg1876958)
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Yes I read it and it's not surprising. But I still maintain the wall is a waste of money, especially if we are not going to enforce the immigration laws and are going to continue giving away freebees to illegals and so-called refugees.
A wall is just part of the solution, but it is a big and necessary part. Cutting benies to illegals, e-verify and enforcing our laws are the other things we need to do too.
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Well, if nothing else, this poll thread has revealed who are followers of Saul Alinsky. I guess some here really do want a dictatorship where we are all required to have the same thoughts and opinions and any dissent will result in ostracism, marginalization or worse.
@Applewood
Really?
A commie screaming "commie!" at everyone else to try to shut them up?
You didn't get the memo about that method being exposed a couple of decades ago?
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@Applewood
Really?
A commie screaming "commie!" at everyone else to try to shut them up?
You didn't get the memo about that method being exposed a couple of decades ago?
In recent years I have fallen victim to this same
tactic that the criminals guilty of such and such
crime make it appear as though you are guilty
of that crime. Or they commit a crime against
you and make it appear like you are guilty of
the crime you are victim of. Another similar
tactic of theirs is try and get you to talk about
a specific crime or subject without directly
bringing it up so that they can make it appear
that such repulsive subject matter or crime is
an interest of yours. Of course, you aren't the
slightest bit interested in such repulsive crimes,
you don't want to think about that or talk about
that, it has no connection with you and it isn't
a matter that relates to anything in your life,
but that's their point, if they can somehow hint
their way of mentioning or discussing what
repulsive matter they want then they can make
it appear you are guilty of such crime.
Additionally, they believe so strongly in the
power of words they want you to mention a
particular word at any price, even if you speak
that word in disdain and with insults. For
example, Applewood mentioned 'commies'
in disdain. This thread has no relation to
commies, therefore Applewood was using the
guise of disatisfaction of commies to advertise
them. Off subject, unrelated to the matter at
hand. All Applewood wanted you to do was
create an opening in your mind for the idea of
commies to lather and foam. This sort of
backwards tactic has fallen out of use in recent
years but obvious some folks think we're dumb
enough that it will work.
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And neither party is interested in enforcing the law. So the wall is still a waste of money.
A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.
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A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.
Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay. Then it makes the problem worse.
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A large manned wall makes it much harder to walk from A to B if said wall is between A and B. If you are
unwilling to admit that there is no point in continuing the conversation. History has on thousands of
occasions proven the values of big beautiful walls.
@jpsb @Oceander
The wall doesn't even need to be manned. It can have wireless cameras and be patrolled by drones. If there is any activity seen,someone monitoring the cameras can dispatch a crew of Border Patrol agents to take care of the problem.
That is not Oceander wants to hear,though. Either he/she/it/multiple choice or someone in that family is a illegal,so all Oceander wants to hear about is open borders because they add nothing but sunshine and bunny hugs.
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Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay. Then it makes the problem worse.
LOL, A wall works so don't build it. Laughing my ass off at your crazy logic.
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Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay. Then it makes the problem worse.
@Oceander
Simple solution to that problem is tougher standards to get a visitor visa,and having anyone who applies for one be required to post a bond to be forfeited if they disappear.
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@Oceander
Simple solution to that problem is tougher standards to get a visitor visa,and having anyone who applies for one be required to post a bond to be forfeited if they disappear.
If you over stay your visa we know who you are. That is much better then someone we don't know about
entering illegally.
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If you over stay your visa we know who you are. That is much better then someone we don't know about
entering illegally.
@jpsb
Not only that,but your bond money helps pay for tracking you down.
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@Oceander
Simple solution to that problem is tougher standards to get a visitor visa,and having anyone who applies for one be required to post a bond to be forfeited if they disappear.
Sure. Good luck getting that one enacted. You really want to destroy the economy by taking away all the income tourists spend here? Apparently, MAGA means turning the US into another hermit kingdom.
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If you over stay your visa we know who you are. That is much better then someone we don't know about
entering illegally.
Then why are most illegal aliens people who overstayed their visas? Clearly, it’s not such a simple problem.
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'Opposing a border wall solely because your political opponent supports it' is what makes you an enemy of the American people. Because in doing so, you place politics ahead of the welfare of the nation.
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Then why are most illegal aliens people who overstayed their visas? Clearly, it’s not such a simple problem.
Yeah, you've made that claim several times but I have not seen any credible documentation to back it up.
Millions enter illegally every year, just how many millions we do not know since we do not know who is
entering illegally. So I don't know how you can say visa overstays are more then X (illegal border crossers).
When you don't know the value of X.
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Yeah, you've made that claim several times but I have not seen any credible documentation to back it up.
Millions enter illegally every year, just how many millions we do not know since we do not know who is
entering illegally. So I don't know how you can say visa overstays are more then X (illegal border crossers).
When you don't know the value of X.
His only frame of reference may be where he lives. Where I live, it's border jumpers aplenty and I'd like to see a wall. And, no, if we build a wall there won't be more visitor Visas. That would require orderly entrance.
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His only frame of reference may be where he lives. Where I live, it's border jumpers aplenty and I'd like to see a wall. And, no, if we build a wall there won't be more visitor Visas. That would require orderly entrance.
And, that's why we have to rely on actual information instead of opinion and wishful thinking. There has been lots of actual information posted here on this topic and almost none of it supports the "no-wall/open-borders" POV.
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His only frame of reference may be where he lives. Where I live, it's border jumpers aplenty and I'd like to see a wall. And, no, if we build a wall there won't be more visitor Visas. That would require orderly entrance.
Nope. My frame of reference is the data.
If you want to waste money on a wall, spend your own damned money on it. Leave me and my pocketbook out of it.
No federal tax dollars for a boondoggle wall that won’t do anything material - except provide payola to Union-dominated construction firms.
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Yeah, you've made that claim several times but I have not seen any credible documentation to back it up.
Millions enter illegally every year, just how many millions we do not know since we do not know who is
entering illegally. So I don't know how you can say visa overstays are more then X (illegal border crossers).
When you don't know the value of X.
Google it <NOPE>
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Then why are most illegal aliens people who overstayed their visas? Clearly, it’s not such a simple problem.
Not most. Supposedly 42%, based on estimates from a pro-migrant Center for Migration. Turns out DHS *cannot* and *does not* track visa overstays because they "lack the infrastructure" to collect it.
http://checkyourfact.com/2018/01/26/fact-check-did-40-percent-of-all-illegal-immigrants-overstay-legal-visas/ (http://checkyourfact.com/2018/01/26/fact-check-did-40-percent-of-all-illegal-immigrants-overstay-legal-visas/)
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Not most. Supposedly 42%, based on estimates from a pro-migrant Center for Migration. Turns out DHS *cannot* and *does not* track visa overstays because they "lack the infrastructure" to collect it.
http://checkyourfact.com/2018/01/26/fact-check-did-40-percent-of-all-illegal-immigrants-overstay-legal-visas/ (http://checkyourfact.com/2018/01/26/fact-check-did-40-percent-of-all-illegal-immigrants-overstay-legal-visas/)
But y’all know to a penny that illegal aliens cost more than they contribute.
Pfft. Liberals have their global warming cult; conservatives apparently have an anti-immigrant cult.
And 42% is nothing to sneeze at. It means, for one thing, that overstaying a visa is relatively easy, which means in turn that to the extent the Holy Border Wall has an effect, it will principally show up as more visa overstays.
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Sure. Good luck getting that one enacted. You really want to destroy the economy by taking away all the income tourists spend here?
@Oceander
Nope,just require a bond from those visiting from 3rd world countries. Call it "reverse travel insurance". If the visitors can't afford to post the bond,they can't afford to come here as tourists and spend money and still afford to go back home.
Apparently, MAGA means turning the US into another hermit kingdom.
Only in your fevered imagination. It actually means "Make America look and sound like a 1st World Nation Again".
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conservatives apparently have an anti-immigrant cult.
No, Conservatives are anti-illegal alien... And generally pro-immigration.
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Why would anyone need to Google <NOPE> @Mod2 ?
I thought everyone knows a <NOPE> is an effing enormous, effing hairy, effing octalegged creature from the depths of effing HELL that only a DEW can stop?????
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But y’all know to a penny that illegal aliens cost more than they contribute.
Pfft. Liberals have their global warming cult; conservatives apparently have an anti-immigrant cult.
And 42% is nothing to sneeze at. It means, for one thing, that overstaying a visa is relatively easy, which means in turn that to the extent the Holy Border Wall has an effect, it will principally show up as more visa overstays.
1. 42%, if you believe Dick Durbin.
2. I've seen no proof that law-breakers make meaningful contributions to society.
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No, Conservatives are anti-illegal alien... And generally pro-immigration.
No, actually, they’re not. They’re anti-immigrant. Along with the whinging about illegal aliens, there is tons of whinging about the visa program, and constant demands to cut down legal immigration as well because they’re stealing jobs from “Real Murcansâ€.
If they were pro-immigrant, they’d be in favor of liberalizing immigration, not closing the doors completely.
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1. 42%, if you believe Dick Durbin.
2. I've seen no proof that law-breakers make meaningful contributions to society.
Damn, I am slooow today. My eye is bothering me. Too snow brite outside to go outside.
I read it as: 2. I've seen no proof that law-makers make meaningful contributions to society.
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No, actually, they’re not. They’re anti-immigrant. Along with the whinging about illegal aliens, there is tons of whinging about the visa program, and constant demands to cut down legal immigration as well because they’re stealing jobs from “Real Murcansâ€.
If they were pro-immigrant, they’d be in favor of liberalizing immigration, not closing the doors completely.
That is a rather broad brush...
I have heard Conservatives say they want a moratorium on any new immigration for a decade or so, to better handle what we've already got, and to allow time to develop a more reasonable and enforceable process... A position I can agree with. The system has to be enforceable.
And I have heard many decry H1B visas because They allow foreign workers to take native jobs for pennies on the dollar - The Conservative solution being to allow H1B visas, but at something akin to current market value of the job.
Both of those positions are about fair play and the rule of law. And neither of them are against immigration.
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1. 42%, if you believe Dick Durbin.
2. I've seen no proof that law-breakers make meaningful contributions to society.
Right.
Wrong on both counts. Even the anti-immigrant “studies†have been forced to conclude that illegals do, in fact, end up paying taxes. That’s a contribution, right there. So is the fact that they typically do jobs that most “Real Murcans†wouldn’t do for twice the wage. That’s another contribution.
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Damn, I am slooow today. My eye is bothering me. Too snow brite outside to go outside.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Inuit_snow_goggles.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Inuit_snow_goggles.jpg)
Intuit if I were Inuit.
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Intuit if I were Inuit.
Too bad... Haida helped Yupik em out... :beer:
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Right.
Wrong on both counts. Even the anti-immigrant “studies†have been forced to conclude that illegals do, in fact, end up paying taxes. That’s a contribution, right there. So is the fact that they typically do jobs that most “Real Murcans†wouldn’t do for twice the wage. That’s another contribution.
Tis such a bane that many complain, and in deed disdain that their Romaine does contain---a blemish.
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Tis such a bane that many complain, and in deed disdain that their Romaine does contain---a blemish.
Now they've gone and blemished them so much with bacteria that no one can eat a damn salad anymore! How does that factor into the Equation??
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Now they've gone and blemished them so much with bacteria that no one can eat a damn salad anymore! How does that factor into the Equation??
Grow your own.
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Grow your own.
I served time for that many years ago.... no thanks.
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I served time for that many years ago.... no thanks.
That was probably a different kind of lettuce.
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Grow your own.
Will they let us?
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That was probably a different kind of lettuce.
He probably left a vapor trail.
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He probably left a vapor trail.
Prolly shoulda left a chemtrail... Everybody would turn a blind eye...
Speaking of a blind eye, howzyerface? Got Pirate?
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Prolly shoulda left a chemtrail... Everybody would turn a blind eye...
Speaking of a blind eye, howzyerface? Got Pirate?
Monday was good. Today it is blurry. Scheduling another appt with the IDOC. I mean, eye doc. Along with Sir @EdJames, I need no further appts with the dept of corrections...
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Monday was good. Today it is blurry. Scheduling another appt with the IDOC. I mean, eye doc. Along with Sir @EdJames, I need no further appts with the dept of corrections...
I didn't mind the appts so much, it was the unscheduled visits that torqued me off.
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Monday was good. Today it is blurry.
Did you forget to take the tape off?
I need no further appts with the dept of corrections...
There but for the grace of God go I...
Though I am a quick study... A few times though County and I decided on a different direction.
:seeya:
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No, Conservatives are anti-illegal alien... And generally pro-immigration.
:thumbsup:
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Right.
Wrong on both counts. Even the anti-immigrant “studies†have been forced to conclude that illegals do, in fact, end up paying taxes. That’s a contribution, right there. So is the fact that they typically do jobs that most “Real Murcans†wouldn’t do for twice the wage. That’s another contribution.
Since there don't appear to be any "real" statistics, I'm not certain that can be proved that most illegals pay taxes. But please, lay the data on me if you've got it.
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Not if it simply pushes more people into entering on visitors visas that they then overstay. Then it makes the problem worse.
Not everybody will do that though. Yes, some will find other means of entering, but not to the extent that there would be no impact on the amount of illegals coming in. A wall would mitigate the flow of illegal immigrants. It's impossible to know to what extent it would mitigate the flow, but to some extent it absolutely would.
Locking your door doesn't guarantee a thief won't enter your home, but most people do it anyway. Why do you think that is?
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Not everybody will do that though. Yes, some will find other means of entering, but not to the extent that there would be no impact on the amount of illegals coming in. A wall would mitigate the flow of illegal immigrants. It's impossible to know to what extent it would mitigate the flow, but to some extent it absolutely would.
Locking your door doesn't guarantee a thief won't enter your home, but most people do it anyway. Why do you think that is?
Poor form there @Dexter You should use the politically correct official media-sanctioned term, migrant.
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But y’all know to a penny that illegal aliens cost more than they contribute.
Pfft. Liberals have their global warming cult; conservatives apparently have an anti-immigrant cult.
And 42% is nothing to sneeze at. It means, for one thing, that overstaying a visa is relatively easy, which means in turn that to the extent the Holy Border Wall has an effect, it will principally show up as more visa overstays.
42% is a lot fewer than "most". Why is it that 90% of the times you use Democrat talking points?
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A nation is defined by borders. If you are against the wall you are de facto against our nation. Yes, there are those that overstay on visas but the drug and human trafficking would be much less with an enforced border.
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A nation is defined by borders. If you are against the wall you are de facto against our nation. Yes, there are those that overstay on visas but the drug and human trafficking would be much less with an enforced border.
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
Got anything to back your bullshit up with, or is that just a fervent desire on your part?
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Got anything to back your bullshit up with, or is that just a fervent desire on your part?
“Bullshit†is all that comment deserves, as should be self-evident.
There is no wall along the US-Canada border, and no plans to build one. Does that mean that neither country is well-defined? Do both countries lack sovereignty because there is no wall along that border?
Is it impossible to distinguish between Canada as a nation and the US as a nation because there is no wall between them?
Merely stating the conclusions that stupid comment necessarily entails should be more than sufficient to demonstrate what pure unadulterated bullshit that statement is.
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“Bullshit†is all that comment deserves, as should be self-evident.
There is no wall along the US-Canada border, and no plans to build one. Does that mean that neither country is well-defined? Do both countries lack sovereignty because there is no wall along that border?
Is it impossible to distinguish between Canada as a nation and the US as a nation because there is no wall between them?
Merely stating the conclusions that stupid comment necessarily entails should be more than sufficient to demonstrate what pure unadulterated bullshit that statement is.
First of all, @austingirl said "borders" which you transformed into "wall" for the apparent purpose of ridiculing her comment. The border between Canada and the U.S. does indeed exist and is generally respected by those on both sides of the border. It exists as an actual border.
The border between Mexico and the U.S. is not respected, and is a conduit for drugs, human trafficking and illegal alien entries. In order for it to be a proper border, it does need a wall, or fence, or whatever.
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“Bullshit†is all that comment deserves, as should be self-evident.
There is no wall along the US-Canada border, and no plans to build one. Does that mean that neither country is well-defined? Do both countries lack sovereignty because there is no wall along that border?
Is it impossible to distinguish between Canada as a nation and the US as a nation because there is no wall between them?
Merely stating the conclusions that stupid comment necessarily entails should be more than sufficient to demonstrate what pure unadulterated bullshit that statement is.
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We need a physical barrier. Illegal immigration is out of control and is bankrupting this country. To oppose a wall to secure our borders indeed makes one an enemy of the U.S. and is also a threat to our nation's sovereignty.
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Heck no.
I have to cut some slack to members of my family who oppose the wall, but whom I love dearly. They are old school democrats and they don’t hate America. Sorry if that discombobulates anyone.
Besides, in the near future innovations in technology will probably eliminate the need for walls at the border. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
I would say that being a sub rosa enemy of America is what makes some folks oppose the wall, rather than the other way around. (Some folks, but not all.) And there are far too many Americans who hate our Constitutional Republic--which is the underlying reason why they loathe consistent Republicans.
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The people of Canada are, for the most part, educated.
The vast majority coming from the south are uneducated savages fresh out of the jungle. An actual wall down south is something they would get. Deservedly.
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We need a physical barrier. Illegal immigration is out of control and is bankrupting this country. To oppose a wall to secure our borders indeed makes one an enemy of the U.S. and is also a threat to our nation's sovereignty.
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@Oceander stop calling other member's posts bullshit please...they are entitled to their opinion.
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First of all, @austingirl said "borders" which you transformed into "wall" for the apparent purpose of ridiculing her comment. The border between Canada and the U.S. does indeed exist and is generally respected by those on both sides of the border. It exists as an actual border.
The border between Mexico and the U.S. is not respected, and is a conduit for drugs, human trafficking and illegal alien entries. In order for it to be a proper border, it does need a wall, or fence, or whatever.
Right. We aren't generally chasing Canadians around in the snow because they were sneaking in...
The border is well enough respected to enable patrols and other surveillance to do the job. OTOH, the southern border is being overrun. Maybe DHS would have more agents to ferret out the visa overstays if they weren't so busy picking the people up who had just walked in illegally. A wall would help cut down on the walk-ins a lot. Hungary did it in the face of the Muslim invasion from Africa, and it worked! Better chasing 1% instead of the 100% they'd have had to deal with otherwise.