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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Machiavelli on July 19, 2018, 05:35:22 pm
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Julie Compton
NBC News
July 19, 2018
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — Three-year-old twins Zyler and Kadyn Sharpe scurried around the boys and girls clothing racks of a narrow consignment store filled with toys. Zyler, wearing rainbow leggings, scrutinized a pair of hot-pink-and-purple sneakers. Kadyn, in a T-Rex shirt, fixated on a musical cube that flashed colorful lights. At a glance, the only discernible difference between these fraternal twins is their hair — Zyler’s is brown and Kadyn’s is blond.
Is Zyler a boy or a girl? How about Kadyn? That’s a question their parents, Nate and Julia Sharpe, say only the twins can decide. The Cambridge, Mass., couple represent a small group of parents raising “theybies†— children being brought up without gender designation from birth. A Facebook community for these parents currently claims about 220 members across the U.S.
More (https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/boy-or-girl-parents-raising-theybies-let-kids-decide-n891836)
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:facepalm2:
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A Facebook community for these parents currently claims about 220 members across the U.S.
Hopefully, no more than that.
I also hope that number takes a dramatic nose dive.
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A Facebook community for these
parents mental defectives currently claims about 220 members across the U.S.
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These are the same people who complain about people being anti-Science
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I think this is boderline child abuse.
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These are the same people who complain about people being anti-Science
Whenever you hear someone claim they are Pro Science, it means they support science that backs their political views
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I think this is boderline child abuse.
I think it crossed that border a long time ago. This is pure insanity. And how is "theybies" less gender-specific than "babies"? If I say, "Look at the baby," no one knows his/her sex. Good grief.
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Kadyn and Zyler still have little understanding of gender, according to their parents, but have started to pick up on it. One day recently, Zyler asked Julia what “she†and “he†mean.
“Since we've tried to avoid really getting into gender until they're old enough to understand it, I answered that ‘he’ and ‘she’ are pronouns and you use them to make sentences simpler, so instead of saying someone's name over and over in the sentence, you'll say ‘he’ or ‘she’ or ‘they’ instead,†she said, “and Zyler got distracted after that and moved on.â€
So they're denying these children a factual, grammatical education about the English language, as well.
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Parents are supposed to guide their children to minimize confusion as to what is right or wrong. Is it right or wrong to hit another kid? Is it right or wrong to fling your food against the wall? To feed the goldfish to the cat? To not know which gender you are?
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:facepalm2:
Exactly!
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I think this is boderline child abuse.
I'm not sure about the "borderline" part.
These kids will be scarred for life if there is no intervention in their lives.
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I'm not sure about the "borderline" part.
These kids will be scarred for life if there is no intervention in their lives.
I see a future where a lot are messed up mentally.
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I see a future where a lot are messed up mentally.
I see a present where the parents are a mess, too.
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Whenever you hear someone claim they are Pro Science, it means they support science that backs their political views
So true.
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Whenever you hear someone claim they are Pro Science, it means they support science that backs their political views
Yep. Anything to the contrary is "junk science" to them. If they were really pro-science, they'd let the evidence speak.
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Yep. Anything to the contrary is "junk science" to them. If they were really pro-science, they'd let the evidence speak.
It is a shame that Science has been hijacked by the left.
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It is a shame that Science has been hijacked by the left.
In name only. Social Science, political science, global warming (climate) science--unfortunately the erosion has been going on for some time. Yet within all those disciplines (when and where disciplined) there are those doing good work. Unfortunately, sifting for those needles in the haystacks of dross is going to be tedious work indeed, and for some time to come, the fallacies perpetrated in the name of science will color the discussion. Sort of like "Peak Oil", which gets trotted out every 20-30 years or so.
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Sumthin' tells me that these "parents" are going to be awfully upset when the young'un with female parts decides to be a girl and date boys, and the one with male parts decides to be a boy and date girls...!
"Are you sure? Aren't you making a mistake? After all we've taught you...?"
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Whenever you hear someone claim they are Pro Science, it means they support science that backs their political views
@LMAO
(https://i.imgur.com/V25G4fZ.jpg)
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I think this is boderline child abuse.
Nope, it's not borderline child abuse. I'm pretty sure it's full fledged, in-you-face, definiately crossed the morality line, child abuse of the worst kind.
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WALSH: 'Gender Neutral Parenting' Is Child Abuse
courtesy of Wikimedia Commons
ByMatt Walsh
July 23, 2018
NBC reports on a parenting trend with a name as stupid as the thing itself: "theybies." This is the designation certain upper-class, white, liberal parents have given to their children, whom they have decided to raise without "gender labels." ...
Of course, we run into some logical problems here. There are approximately 6,782 logical problems, actually, but let's mention just a few: If biological sex is meaningless and gender is a social construct, what does it mean to "choose" a gender? You just said gender is something arbitrary and invented. If a boy chooses to be a girl based on his affinity for girly things, has he not made this decision based on the very construct that you are trying to abolish? And if he makes the decision based on nothing at all, then hasn't the word "girl" just become another word for "boy"? If "girl" and "boy" have no meaning then you cannot choose to be one or the other. If they do have meaning, then the choice must be based on something objective. You can't have it both ways. ...
But these are just problems of logic, which are insurmountable in their own right. The real problem, though, is the effect this nonsense will have on the innocent kids subjected to it. Nate and Julia, in an effort to show off to their liberal friends, have deprived their children of identity. It is bad enough to deprive a child of physical necessities. This is even worse. They are not allowing their kids to know themselves. Certain crucial and fundamental facts about their own biological nature are being hidden from them. You might as well refuse to tell them what species they belong to, or what planet they live on. You are not freeing them from artificial cultural influences by raising them "neutrally." Rather, you are overriding those influences by imposing a much more artificial, much more confusing, much more damaging one.
It is easy to laugh at self-absorbed, hopelessly trendy, nitwit parents like Nate and Julia. But there is nothing funny happening here. This is psychological child abuse of the most demented kind. ...
Read entire commentary (https://www.dailywire.com/news/33418/walsh-gender-neutral-parenting-child-abuse-matt-walsh)
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Parents are supposed to guide their children to minimize confusion as to what is right or wrong. Is it right or wrong to hit another kid? Is it right or wrong to fling your food against the wall? To feed the goldfish to the cat? To not know which gender you are?
I can't wait to see the parents' faces when these kids are allowed to watch the "Snuffy the Seal" video, or Jurassic Park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_i3PPe3i9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_i3PPe3i9Y)
I was chastised by a do-gooder when I mentioned that I let my 7 YO grandson see it. I laughed it off, and told her "he knows it was a fake video", and that he likes showing it to everyone in the family...he thinks it's one of the funniest things he's ever seen. He also delights in repeating the mantra for Shark Week: it's a bad week to be a seal. :rolling:
Personally, I suspect nature will take its course in due time with the "theybies", to the chagrin of their parents.
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Sumthin' tells me that these "parents" are going to be awfully upset when the young'un with female parts decides to be a girl and date boys, and the one with male parts decides to be a boy and date girls...!
"Are you sure? Aren't you making a mistake? After all we've taught you...?"
(https://i.imgflip.com/1e7jd1.jpg)
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Sumthin' tells me that these "parents" are going to be awfully upset when the young'un with female parts decides to be a girl and date boys, and the one with male parts decides to be a boy and date girls...!
"Are you sure? Aren't you making a mistake? After all we've taught you...?"
@Fishrrman
I am NOT a betting man,but I would almost be willing to bet they are going to do everything they CAN do to make sure the boy thinks he is a girl and the girl thinks she is a boy. Anything else they would consider to be a failure and would keep them from appearing on Oprah,and getting a book or movie deal.
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@LMAO
(https://i.imgur.com/V25G4fZ.jpg)
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Read entire commentary (https://www.dailywire.com/news/33418/walsh-gender-neutral-parenting-child-abuse-matt-walsh)
@mountaineer
[/quote]They are not allowing their kids to know themselves. Certain crucial and fundamental facts about their own biological nature are being hidden from them. [/quote]
IMHO,they are not "allowing" anything. They will be punishing the girl for acting like a girl,and punishing the boy for acting like a boy. They have a pet leftist theory they want to prove,and their theories are more important to them than their children.
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@Fishrrman
I am NOT a betting man,but I would almost be willing to bet they are going to do everything they CAN do to make sure the boy thinks he is a girl and the girl thinks she is a boy. Anything else they would consider to be a failure and would keep them from appearing on Oprah,and getting a book or movie deal.
I think you're right there. It's like the idiot left somehow "thinks" that having a gay son or daughter makes them 'cool' and 'with it'. The shows on TV only reiterate their idiocy. Case in point... The Affair....Helen Solloway sniping at her ex-husband for interrupting what she thought was her son about to admit to being gay. She then admits that she always wanted a 'gay son'. WTH???
It's being ingrained and indoctrinated into peoples heads every where you look, IOW.
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I think this is boderline child abuse.
I'd argue this is absolutely child abuse. The far left's gender nonsense that they put onto kids was one of my biggest red pills. Acting like pre-pubescent kids are capable of picking a gender and take hormone therapy is beyond insane.
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It's like the idiot left somehow "thinks" that having a gay son or daughter makes them 'cool' and 'with it'. The shows on TV only reiterate their idiocy.
My leftist sister-in-law must have felt that way. When her younger son was in his teens (now in his mid-30s) she kept trying to "encourage" him that it really would be okay if he were attracted to boys. I'm sure he looked at her like she had three heads, as he turned out as hetero as he can be - despite her efforts! *****rollingeyes*****
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My leftist sister-in-law must have felt that way. When her younger son was in his teens (now in his mid-30s) she kept trying to "encourage" him that it really would be okay if he were attracted to boys. I'm sure he looked at her like she had three heads, as he turned out as hetero as he can be - despite her efforts! *****rollingeyes*****
It's definitely a mental illness with these lefties that are pushing the homosexual BS. But we knew that...lol.
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@Fishrrman
I am NOT a betting man,but I would almost be willing to bet they are going to do everything they CAN do to make sure the boy thinks he is a girl and the girl thinks she is a boy. Anything else they would consider to be a failure and would keep them from appearing on Oprah,and getting a book or movie deal.
I would bet you are right. When you consider Liberals are willing to alter or discard data to cook up crap like AGW, what is effing up a bunch of kids compared to keeping their narrative alive?
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I wonder if it's OK to abort "theybies".
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Pete Townshend saw it coming 50 years ago.
The Who - I'm a Boy
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They’re letting kids “decide†gender? Cool, now let’s do drug use.
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Julie Compton
NBC News
July 19, 2018
More (https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/boy-or-girl-parents-raising-theybies-let-kids-decide-n891836)
The dead giveaway that these parents are moronic lefties would be the "rainbow leggings". Sure, the kids are too young to understand the connotation... but the parents are clearly signaling their preferences and liberal ideals.
Thank God my parents were normal, sane, down-to-earth non-lefties.....lol. They didn't freak out or react at all when I didn't like dolls or frilly dresses. I was more of a tomboy growing up.... yet I'm probably one of THE most hetero gals you'd ever meet.
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The dead giveaway that these parents are moronic lefties would be the "rainbow leggings". Sure, the kids are too young to understand the connotation... but the parents are clearly signaling their preferences and liberal ideals.
Thank God my parents were normal, sane, down-to-earth non-lefties.....lol. They didn't freak out or react at all when I didn't like dolls or frilly dresses. I was more of a tomboy growing up.... yet I'm probably one of THE most hetero gals you'd ever meet.
@XenaLee
Ok,mystery solved. Dad is as queer as a 3 dollar bill. Watch the video and note his mannerisms.
Since mom is a mechanical engineer,I suspect she is either a lesbian,or non-sexual.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit to discover both children had a test tube for a father.
This is two homos trying to make alternate lifestyles more accepted. The children are nothing more than political statements.
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@XenaLee
Ok,mystery solved. Dad is as queer as a 3 dollar bill. Watch the video and note his mannerisms.
Since mom is a mechanical engineer,I suspect she is either a lesbian,or non-sexual.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit to discover both children had a test tube for a father.
This is two homos trying to make alternate lifestyles more accepted. The children are nothing more than political statements.
Those poor kids. God help them.
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@mountaineer
They are not allowing their kids to know themselves. Certain crucial and fundamental facts about their own biological nature are being hidden from them.
IMHO,they are not "allowing" anything. They will be punishing the girl for acting like a girl,and punishing the boy for acting like a boy. They have a pet leftist theory they want to prove,and their theories are more important to them than their children.
Liberals refuse to give up on their belief that humans are not hardwired mentally. They continue to believe in the "blank slate" or tabula rasa theory of society being 100% responsible for how people act.
This is after a number of books and numerous articles have been written thoroughly debunking that theory. "Brain Sex" by Jessel and Mohr is one book detailing how humans are hardwired.
Even a number of hardcore feminists who've tried to raise their children without the so-called sex bias have been dismayed to discover their little boys eschewed dolls and other girl toys to prefer stereotypical boys toys. If they were given girls toys like baby buggys, they turned them into catapults or other boys toys rather than play house like their idiot mothers thought they would.
But liberals never learn. That's why they're liberals.
I think what these idiots are doing is actually child abuse, and I would promote measures to take their children away from them before they can do more damage.
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I see a future where a lot are messed up mentally.
When morons raise up a generation of willfully ignorant imbeciles like these, Paraguay could literally walk on into this country and take us over in total.
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Some people just don't deserve to have the privilege of being parents.
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Liberals refuse to give up on their belief that humans are not hardwired mentally. They continue to believe in the "blank slate" or tabula rasa theory of society being 100% responsible for how people act.
This is after a number of books and numerous articles have been written thoroughly debunking that theory. "Brain Sex" by Jessel and Mohr is one book detailing how humans are hardwired.
Even a number of hardcore feminists who've tried to raise their children without the so-called sex bias have been dismayed to discover their little boys eschewed dolls and other girl toys to prefer stereotypical boys toys. If they were given girls toys like baby buggys, they turned them into catapults or other boys toys rather than play house like their idiot mothers thought they would.
But liberals never learn. That's why they're liberals.
I think what these idiots are doing is actually child abuse, and I would promote measures to take their children away from them before they can do more damage.
Liberals keep trying to hammer round pegs into square holes. As for hardwired, I have seen my own granddaughter at less than a year old see a fellow for the first time, blush, bat her eyes at him, pucker up and reach for him. Oh Boy. There is a lot hardwired there, from the attraction to the flirtation.
But leave it to Libs to ignore evidence to the contrary of their pet theories, their egos demand they be right, no matter what they have to ignore/cover up/destroy to 'prove' it.
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Some people just don't deserve to have the privilege of being parents.
Is there a 'spay and neuter' program for liberals?
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Is there a 'spay and neuter' program for liberals?
No, but there should be!
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The axiom that liberalism is a mental illness is never more true than in regard to these idiot parents. And yes, child abuse is an understatement.
I believe I heard a few years back that John Hopkins Hospital curtailed all sex reassignment surgery, having been one of the leader in performing said surgery, now declaring that it is a mental abnormality or mental condition is the reasoning. These parents should "GET IT". Sexual identity is not about the freedom of choice, it fall into two categories, male and female. You have a penis, you are a boy, you have a vagina, you are a girl.
When you have idiots that identify 36 different sexual orientations as they do in I believe NYC, how can children remotely have a clue? The confusion in society because of people suffering from liberalism will go on until what? What does it take to cure these morons?
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...I believe I heard a few years back that John Hopkins Hospital curtailed all sex reassignment surgery, having been one of the leader in performing said surgery, now declaring that it is a mental abnormality or mental condition is the reasoning....
Johns Hopkins will resume gender-reassignment surgeries after 38-year hiatus
https://omaha.com/livewellnebraska/health/johns-hopkins-will-resume-gender-reassignment-surgeries-after--year/article_0c370372-1aee-11e7-8049-d3ae3854aff5.html
Apr 8, 2017
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self-absorbed, hopelessly trendy, nitwit parents
That's all this is. Not child abuse. Not indoctrination. Whether these kids turn out gay or straight has nothing to do with their hopelessly trendy, nitwit parents. Now they may turn out to be hopelessly trendy, nitwit adults. But God wired 'em, not their parents.
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That's all this is. Not child abuse. Not indoctrination. Whether these kids turn out gay or straight has nothing to do with their hopelessly trendy, nitwit parents. Now they may turn out to be hopelessly trendy, nitwit adults. But God wired 'em, not their parents.
Nope. God created us, but the sin is all on us, not Him.
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That's all this is. Not child abuse. Not indoctrination. Whether these kids turn out gay or straight has nothing to do with their hopelessly trendy, nitwit parents. Now they may turn out to be hopelessly trendy, nitwit adults.
Complete unadulterated barnyard excrement. The shaping of these kids and how screwed up or not screwed up they turn out because of this trendy bullsh*t their parents are putting them through rests solely on the shoulders of the parents.
But God wired 'em, not their parents.
Pedo's use the same type of excuse when they claim some 7 year old girl or boy was sexually attracted to them.
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That's all this is. Not child abuse. Not indoctrination. Whether these kids turn out gay or straight has nothing to do with their hopelessly trendy, nitwit parents.
One may never find abject imbecility greater than this moronic statement.
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Complete unadulterated barnyard excrement. The shaping of these kids and how screwed up or not screwed up they turn out because of this trendy bullsh*t their parents are putting them through rests solely on the shoulders of the parents.
Parents play a huge role in teaching and demonstrating good values, honest and respectful behavior, and the like. So does churchin'. But on the basic question of sexual orientation (separate and apart from BEHAVIOR based on such orientation), that's God's doing. He wires you gay or straight. After that, it's up to you to live virtuously or sinfully.
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But on the basic question of sexual orientation (separate and apart from BEHAVIOR based on such orientation), that's God's doing. He wires you gay or straight.
No. Wrong.
The family, specifically the father wires children to accept gender roles, God is NOT the author of sin and perversion. That you would accuse Him of such speaks to what you are possessed in mind and heart by.
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Parents play a huge role in teaching and demonstrating good values, honest and respectful behavior, and the like. So does churchin'. But on the basic question of sexual orientation (separate and apart from BEHAVIOR based on such orientation), that's God's doing. He wires you gay or straight. After that, it's up to you to live virtuously or sinfully.
Well, that right there is blasphemy. Not that I'm surprised, mind you. Coming from you, I've learned to expect just about anything.
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No. Wrong.
The family, specifically the father wires children to accept gender roles, God is NOT the author of sin and perversion. That you would accuse Him of such speaks to what you are possessed in mind and heart by.
Hmmm.... could it be.....
(http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/wwjtd/files/2013/04/church_lady_could_it_be_satan.jpeg)
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He wires you gay or straight.
Gay or straight is a preference made as an adult in the same manner that people prefer certain hair colors or body styles.
God doesn't wire you to be gay...that's uneducated Liberal bullsh*t.
I'd cite the scripture to show you're wrong...but they don't like religious discussions here and I'm tired of getting baselessly called a bigot by you for the millionth time.
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Complete unadulterated barnyard excrement. The shaping of these kids and how screwed up or not screwed up they turn out because of this trendy bullsh*t their parents are putting them through rests solely on the shoulders of the parents.
Pedo's use the same type of excuse when they claim some 7 year old girl or boy was sexually attracted to them.
This is a fact that the homosexuality-is-wired-and-normal crowd would like us all to just ignore.
We are all 'wired' to sin because the first man and woman CHOSE to sin, and we have all chosen the same ever since.
This world is a sin-filled world, and all of it........ ALL of it .......... is man's choice, and not God's choosing.
People with genetic diseases they are born with (NO proof that homosexuality is inborn) were not "wired by God" to have those diseases.
They have them because we live in a fallen world.
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Parents play a huge role in teaching and demonstrating good values, honest and respectful behavior, and the like. So does churchin'. But on the basic question of sexual orientation (separate and apart from BEHAVIOR based on such orientation), that's God's doing. He wires you gay or straight. After that, it's up to you to live virtuously or sinfully.
No, He doesn't wire people gay or straight. People get their wires crossed, though.
BTW, I see where the logic about illegal aliens not being criminals comes from. The same font as 'virtuous' perversion.
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Gay or straight is a preference made as an adult in the same manner that people prefer certain hair colors or body styles.
God doesn't wire you to be gay...that's uneducated Liberal bullsh*t.
I'd cite the scripture to show you're wrong...but they don't like religious discussions here and I'm tired of getting baselessly called a bigot by you for the millionth time.
So you chose to be straight?
Behavior is a choice, not the way you're wired. If you're religious, it's God who wires you, right?
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No, He doesn't wire people gay or straight. People get their wires crossed, though.
BTW, I see where the logic about illegal aliens not being criminals comes from. The same font as 'virtuous' perversion.
GREAT comparison! And so very true.
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Well, that right there is blasphemy. Not that I'm surprised, mind you. Coming from you, I've learned to expect just about anything.
It's a great excuse for living a sinful life.
God 'wired' me to have a temper and hit people, so it's OK if I do it. God 'wired' me to want things I don't own, so it's OK for me to shoplift.
Truth: my sinful self was born with a temper and a desire to clock people who make me mad, and an urge to shoplift, and it is my obligation to suppress those sinful tendencies and live a moral life. Fortunately the second (childhood) urge is completely gone. The first, I still need to work on. ^-^
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So you chose to be straight?
Behavior is a choice, not the way you're wired. If you're religious, it's God who wires you, right?
If you understand Scripture at all, you KNOW it's not God who wires sin.
I hope you're playing devil's advocate here (literally) and just agitating, because I truly hope you aren't as ignorant as you come across.
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Well, that right there is blasphemy. Not that I'm surprised, mind you. Coming from you, I've learned to expect just about anything.
It is blasphemy to assume that God makes mistakes. Do you choose to be straight? Of course not - it is how God made you. And it is up to you to live monogamously or promiscuously. That's your choice, not God's. But your wiring comes from God - gay or straight.
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If you understand Scripture at all, you KNOW it's not God who wires sin.
Sexual orientation is not sin. Sexual behavior can be sin. God wired you gay or straight. It is your choice what to do with that wiring.
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It is blasphemy to assume that God makes mistakes. Do you choose to be straight? Of course not - it is how God made you. And it is up to you to live monogamously or promiscuously. That's your choice, not God's. But your wiring comes from God - gay or straight.
Once again, abject ignorance.
Perhaps you should avoid talking religion when you are completely devoid of knowledge about it.
You ARE the one who brought it up on this thread, btw, so don't go blaming 'bigots' for defending the truth against your ignorance.
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Sexual orientation is not sin. Sexual behavior can be sin. God wired you gay or straight. It is your choice what to do with that wiring.
Says the man who hates religion and ignores what Scripture says...... *****rollingeyes*****
Again............. stop bringing God into a discussion when you are completely ignorant about Him and His word.
I know you like agitation for agitation's sake, but do you like looking like a complete fool??
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BTW, I see where the logic about illegal aliens not being criminals comes from. The same font as 'virtuous' perversion.
Unauthorized crossing of the border is an illegal misdemeanor. That's simply a fact. Reasonable minds can differ regarding the ultimate penalty for such misdemeanor - I would put much stock in what the individual did or didn't do after he crosses the border. It is madness to incarcerate 12 million people for the "criminal" act of coming here in search of a job.
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God wired you gay or straight.
NO. HE DIDN'T
That you would accuse God of being the author of what He Himself says is sin and abomination is demonic.
Because you claim Christianity, same as you claim Conservatism. You are neither.
You are anathema to both.
Behavior is a choice, not the way you're wired. If you're religious, it's God who wires you, right?
No. God does not 'wire' us to be religious anymore than He 'wires' us to perversion.
Exposure to beliefs and behaviors is what begins the process of 'wiring' us to proclivities, desires and behaviors.
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Sexual orientation is not sin. Sexual behavior can be sin. God wired you gay or straight. It is your choice what to do with that wiring.
Are pedophiles wired that way, too?
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So you chose to be straight?
Behavior is a choice, not the way you're wired. If you're religious, it's God who wires you, right?
The bible has many examples of free will and the ability to go against His laws.
1 Corinthians 10:13
2 Peter 3:9
John 7:17
Joshua 24:15
Mark 8:34
Romans 13:2
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
Ezekiel 18:30-32
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Are pedophiles wired that way, too?
I'm sure he will say 'yes', and reiterate that acting on that behavior is what is sin.... today.
Tomorrow when they legalize child sex with adults, he will be an advocate for it.
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So you chose to be straight?
It's a sexual preference like anything else...why is that so hard for you to understand?
Behavior is a choice, not the way you're wired. If you're religious, it's God who wires you, right?
And being homosexual is a behavior choice...not one God plants in our DNA.
Once again you're trying to pervert God and how he made us to justify supporting a perverted and wholly unchristian way of life.
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Says the man who hates religion and ignores what Scripture says...... *****rollingeyes*****
Again............. stop bringing God into a discussion when you are completely ignorant about Him and His word.
I know you like agitation for agitation's sake, but do you like looking like a complete fool??
I'm used to name calling, bub. I notice you don't respond with substance to what I say. Mere sexual orientation is not sin. Why are you so obsessed with who your neighbors love? Mind your own effin' business, and keep your own nose clean. This hung-up, dogmatic bullshit is why I say it's often necessary to reject religion to love God and Christ.
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Mere sexual orientation is not sin.
Once again you purposely lie.
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
God destroyed two entire cities over the citizens willful disobeying of this and other of God's Commandments.
I say it's often necessary to reject religion to love God and Christ
Which shows how little you know about both...you have to tell yourself that to justify your belief set that is decidedly in Christian and goes against not only teachings in the Old Testament but the New testament as well.
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The bible has many examples of free will and the ability to go against His laws.
1 Corinthians 10:13
2 Peter 3:9
John 7:17
Joshua 24:15
Mark 8:34
Romans 13:2
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
Ezekiel 18:30-32
"Thou mayest" as John Steinbeck describes in East of Eden:
"'Thou mayest rule over sin," Lee said. That's it. I do not believe all men are destroyed. I can name you a dozen who were not, and they are the ones the world lives by. It is true of the spirit as it is true of the battles - only the winners are remembered. Surely most men are destroyed, but there are others who like pillars of fire guide frightened men through the darkness. 'Thou mayest, Thou mayest!' What glory! It is true that we are weak and sick and quarrelsome, but if that is all we ever were, we would, millenniums ago, have disappeared from the face of the earth. A few remnants of fossilized jawbone, some broken teeth in strats of limestone, would be the only mark man would have left of his existence in the world. But the choice, Lee, the choice of winning! I had never understood it or accepted it before. 'Thou mayest rule over sin.'"
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One doesn't choose to be straight, it is the natural order of things with a basis in biology and physiology, part of God's design. One does choose to pervert that reality. What homosexuals do together cannot result in new life- that's a big clue right there.
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This hung-up, dogmatic bullshit is why I say it's often necessary to reject religion to love God and Christ.
You do not love either, you hate both in favor of the god of your own imagination that you ascribe to Him and His Word whom you have rejected.
You advocate apostasy at best, demonic evil most of the time - and claim it's Christian.
Same as you do 'Conservatism'.
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It's a great excuse for living a sinful life.
God 'wired' me to have a temper and hit people, so it's OK if I do it. God 'wired' me to want things I don't own, so it's OK for me to shoplift.
Truth: my sinful self was born with a temper and a desire to clock people who make me mad, and an urge to shoplift, and it is my obligation to suppress those sinful tendencies and live a moral life. Fortunately the second (childhood) urge is completely gone. The first, I still need to work on. ^-^
And as usual, the idiot godless left wants to have it "both ways"... (or all ways). On one hand they bleat that they can't help how they are, it wasn't a choice they made, or God made them that way. And then they proceed to have gay "pride" parades and events. So if it wasn't a choice, how is it that they have pride over something they (supposedly) had no hand in? As usual, the idiot left makes no sense and sound more like the clinically insane, illogical to a fault.
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One doesn't choose to be straight, it is the natural order of things with a basis in biology and physiology, part of God's design. One does choose to pervert that reality. What homosexuals do together cannot result in new life- that's a big clue right there.
It is an aberration of nature. God created Adam, a male.... and Eve, a female. And yet, I've witnessed these same leftie idiots claim that there are "gays" in the animal kingdom. Sublime idiocy.
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It is an aberration of nature. God created Adam, a male.... and Eve, a female. And yet, I've witnessed these same leftie idiots claim that there are "gays" in the animal kingdom. Sublime idiocy.
If you really want to see a Liberals head explode...ask them how they justify their belief in evolution with their support for homosexuality and it just being a part of nature.
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NO. HE DIDN'T
Yes, He did. Some are straight, some are gay - thank the Lord for that.
He didn't wire you to be a hate-mongering bigot, though - that's all on you.
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If you really want to see a Liberals head explode...ask them how they justify their belief in evolution with their support for homosexuality and it just being a part of nature.
Oh, I've heard/read it all coming from them. For the past two decades, in fact.
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If you really want to see a Liberals head explode...ask them how they justify their belief in evolution with their support for homosexuality and it just being a part of nature.
It's not a matter of "supporting" homosexuality. I could care less about whether you're straight or gay, so long as you live an honest, virtuous, monogamous life. You're divorced, right? Cheated on your spouse, didn't you? Then you've sinned far more than my neighbors who've been true to each other for almost 20 years.
Sin has to do with your behavior, not who you are. Bible thumpers should tend to their own rotten houses.
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Yes, He did. Some are straight, some are gay - thank the Lord for that.
He didn't wire you to be a hate-mongering bigot, though - that's all on you.
Well... God didn't wire you to be an asinine FOS leftie. Yet here you are.
(that's ok, mods..... I'll take this hit.... gladly)
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It is an aberration of nature. God created Adam, a male.... and Eve, a female. And yet, I've witnessed these same leftie idiots claim that there are "gays" in the animal kingdom. Sublime idiocy.
Nearly without exception every gay I've personally known had other significant emotional/mental issues.
Anecdotal, but I've seen enough to be totally convinced that the APA's official assessment on homosexuality up until 1973 was 100% correct.
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Yes, He did. Some are straight, some are gay - thank the Lord for that. He didn't wire you to be a hate-mongering bigot, though - that's all on you.
Exactly what Satan would say.
At least you are consistent in spouting his doctrines.
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It's not a matter of "supporting" homosexuality.
Yes it is. Your continual less than credible denials of what you're doing not withstanding.
I could care less about whether you're straight or gay, so long as you live an honest, virtuous, monogamous life.
if that were truly how you felt...then you wouldn't feel this impulsive need to provide such a vigorous defense of a perverted lifestyle.
You're divorced, right?
Yup...twice.
Cheated on your spouse, didn't you?
Nope either time.
Then you've sinned far more than my neighbors who've been true to each other for almost 20 years.
Nice try at a straw man argument...but I did everything I could to uphold the vows I took before God when I got married.
Unfortunately the first two times the person I was married to for whatever reason...didn't take them as seriously.
Which is a good thing because my wife and I have been married 16 years...together for almost 18.
Sin has to do with your behavior, not who you are.
Your behavior and what kind of person you choose to be has everything to do with sin. That you don't understand that is not really surprising to me considering your Liberal defense of everything around here that runs counter to what has made America and it's people what we are.
Bible thumpers should tend to their own rotten houses.
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Nearly without exception every gay I've personally known had other significant emotional/mental issues.
Anecdotal, but I've seen enough to be totally convinced that the APA's official assessment on homosexuality up until 1973 was 100% correct.
I know. In my liberal youth.... I had dozens of gay friends, male and female. Most were just misguided.... many just emotionally damaged... and many had a parent that was gay. But they for sure were not 'born that way'.
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Then you've sinned far more than my neighbors who've been true to each other for almost 20 years.
The only "sin" you recognize is political incorrectness.
Bible thumpers should tend to their own rotten houses.
Wicked evil disguised as virtue is never content to allow anyone to remain in their own house. It's very nature is to impose itself by force that is declared 'legal' so as to subjugate the Righteousness of The Lord that you hate so much. Tyranny as it once was recognized.
After all, it was you whom discussed criminalizing beliefs you said were bigotry.
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Nearly without exception every gay I've personally known had other significant emotional/mental issues.
Anecdotal, but I've seen enough to be totally convinced that the APA's official assessment on homosexuality up until 1973 was 100% correct.
I have also found this to be true. The aberration of homosexuality belongs back in the DSM.
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Oh, I've heard/read it all coming from them. For the past two decades, in fact.
@XenaLee
It's kinda funny to see them twist into pretzels to defend both because if you think about it one cancels the other out.
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Jazzy has accomplished his task in derailing this thread, as usual.
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Your behavior and what kind of person you choose to be has everything to do with sin. That you don't understand that is not really surprising to me considering your Liberal defense of everything around here that runs counter to what has made America and it's people what we are.
Actually I do understand that, and I agree with you. What I object to is folks being labeled as perverts and sinners for who they are, not for what they do. Whether you're gay or straight, what counts is whether you behave honorably and in accordance with the vows you have made. Let say a straight couple cheats, while a gay couple remains faithful. Who has sinned? I'd say the former.
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I'm used to name calling, bub. I notice you don't respond with substance to what I say. Mere sexual orientation is not sin. Why are you so obsessed with who your neighbors love? Mind your own effin' business, and keep your own nose clean. This hung-up, dogmatic bullshit is why I say it's often necessary to reject religion to love God and Christ.
Let me state it this way....... since I am absolutely IGNORANT about nuclear physics, I do not go on threads about nuclear physics and act like an expert on the subject.
YOU, @Jazzhead, on the other hand, have no knowledge whatsoever, of the God of the Christian Scriptures, yet you proceed to hijack thread after thread in your abject ignorance (and I might add, your disgust for) the truth of Christian morality and the Nature and Person of the Godhead.
But as @mountaineer has accurately stated, you have accomplished your goal of derailing this thread with your trolling.
And in keeping with the goals of the owner and moderators, I will get back to the subject that you tried to destroy, and say this....
These parents are abusing their children, and in a sane world, should have them taken away from them.
But, alas, we are not even in a sane country, let alone a sane world, and they will be permitted to continue to abuse them, and I pray that these poor children survive.
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@XenaLee
It's kinda funny to see them twist into pretzels to defend both because if you think about it one cancels the other out.
Which.... is typical of the ever-illogical left.
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Nearly without exception every gay I've personally known had other significant emotional/mental issues.
Most of the gay couples I've known were just regular, decent folks. And singularly undeserving of being labeled "perverts" like the Christians here insist.
Note that I said couples. Folks who partner, whether gay or straight, have made a commitment to one another. That's a sign of honor and virtue.
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And as usual, the idiot godless left wants to have it "both ways"... (or all ways). On one hand they bleat that they can't help how they are, it wasn't a choice they made, or God made them that way. And then they proceed to have gay "pride" parades and events. So if it wasn't a choice, how is it that they have pride over something they (supposedly) had no hand in? As usual, the idiot left makes no sense and sound more like the clinically insane, illogical to a fault.
There is nothing about these leftist 'arguments' that makes any logical sense.
That's why I really hope that the two or three on this forum who continue to spout nonsense are just playing devil's advocate and don't really believe the swill they copy, paste and regurgitate here.
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I know. In my liberal youth.... I had dozens of gay friends, male and female. Most were just misguided.... many just emotionally damaged... and many had a parent that was gay. But they for sure were not 'born that way'.
I think most of homosexual men were indeed born that way. Does that change the religious observations? No, it doesn't.
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I think most of homosexual men were indeed born that way. Does that change the religious observations? No, it doesn't.
I never understood the "born that way" argument. I think some people are naturally "wired" to respond to conflict with physical violence, is that supposed to make it okay?
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I think most of homosexual men were indeed born that way. Does that change the religious observations? No, it doesn't.
Correct. It doesn't change a thing, because we are all born in sin, and it is always wrong to commit sin.
Since none of us knows absolutely and can only judge by observation (since there is no science to back up either claim)....my observation being the same as others, that there is something missing in the upbringing of children who think they're 'gay,' (e.g. absent father or mother, abuse, neglect, etc.), the truth that we have without doubt is that acting on the sinful desire is against God's will, as is any other sinful desire, heterosexual sin, theft, murder, gossip, lying, among others) is morally wrong.
And that, basing our views on Christian Scripture, there is no such thing has homosexual "marriage." It is the creation of a sinful society that has made a conscious choice to abandon the moral constructs the Founders believed necessary to have our Republic succeed.
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I never understood the "born that way" argument. I think some people are naturally "wired" to respond to conflict with physical violence, is that supposed to make it okay?
Yep. :shrug:
I do think we should have compassion for those who are wired differently and are able to resist that wiring. It's got to be very, very tough, since sexuality is a very basic, integral part of who we are.
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I never understood the "born that way" argument. I think some people are naturally "wired" to respond to conflict with physical violence, is that supposed to make it okay?
That is the logical conclusion they ought to come to, but do not.
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I do think we should have compassion for those who are wired differently and are able to resist that wiring. It's got to be very, very tough, since sexuality is a very basic, integral part of who we are.
I can agree with that, love the sinner and hate the sin.
A lot harder for me to take the same stance for pedophilic disorder.
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I can agree with that, love the sinner and hate the sin.
A lot harder for me to take the same stance for pedophilic disorder.
That's a whole different situation and appears to be - usually - a result of being exposed to soul-corrupting sexual abuse at a young age. It doesn't appear to have a genetic or congenital component.
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I think most of homosexual men were indeed born that way. Does that change the religious observations? No, it doesn't.
And I think you are incorrect re: that.
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That's a whole different situation and appears to be - usually - a result of being exposed to soul-corrupting sexual abuse at a young age. It doesn't appear to have a genetic or congenital component.
And yet.... you will undoubtedly hear the pedophiles claim that they, too, were "born that way".
Not so.
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And I think you are incorrect re: that.
Really? Just going where the objective evidence takes us. And, you think that, oh, say in Iran, men choose to be that way? Odd strategy that.
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And yet.... you will undoubtedly hear the pedophiles claim that they, too, were "born that way".
Not so.
No, I've never heard or seen that.
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And yet.... you will undoubtedly hear the pedophiles claim that they, too, were "born that way".
Not so.
Well, the template that exists in this country is that if you are 'born that way', then you are encouraged to 'be yourself' and act on that 'wiring' and then force everyone to recognize your behavior as normal, good, moral and virtuous.
So if you are a pedophile "born that way" then society says you must act on your desires, and get everyone to accept your behavior as good, right and normal - and use government and the courts to force you to serve it.
Same is true if you are a violent person or murderer "born that way". It is your right to be who you are and act on your wiring.
Who are we to judge - but bigots?
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Well, the template that exists in this country is that if you are 'born that way', then you are encouraged to 'be yourself' and act on that 'wiring' and then force everyone to recognize your behavior as normal, good, moral and virtuous.
So if you are a pedophile "born that way" then society says you must act on your desires, and get everyone to accept your behavior as good, right and normal - and use government and the courts to force you to serve it.
Same is true if you are a violent person or murderer "born that way". It is your right to be who you are and act on your wiring.
Who are we to judge - but bigots?
God does not "create" pedophiles or homosexuals. Children are ALL born innocent.... which is why Jesus loved/loves the little children. Because of their innocence.
All of this BS that claims you are born "that way" is just that....
BS.
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God does not "create" pedophiles or homosexuals. Children are ALL born innocent.... which is why Jesus loved/loves the little children. Because of their innocence.
All of this BS that claims you are born "that way" is just that....
BS.
No, we are all born with original sin. That is part of what we are.
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Yep. :shrug:
I do think we should have compassion for those who are wired differently and are able to resist that wiring. It's got to be very, very tough, since sexuality is a very basic, integral part of who we are.
Yes, it is. And IMO the thrust should be sexual responsibility and accountability. Not arbitrary condemnation regardless of whether a gay couple lives faithfully and monogamously.
The cultural problems are promiscuity, unfaithfulness, and dishonesty and betrayal. Christians seem to say little about divorce, but shout themselves hoarse about how my neighbors - faithful and true - are nevertheless abominations and perverts. To them, the only prescriptions for a man or woman born gay are to remain celibate, or trick some poor innocent into a sham marriage where the sexual relationship will be non-existent or unfulfilling.
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Well, the template that exists in this country is that if you are 'born that way', then you are encouraged to 'be yourself' and act on that 'wiring' and then force everyone to recognize your behavior as normal, good, moral and virtuous.
So if you are a pedophile "born that way" then society says you must act on your desires, and get everyone to accept your behavior as good, right and normal - and use government and the courts to force you to serve it.
Same is true if you are a violent person or murderer "born that way". It is your right to be who you are and act on your wiring.
Who are we to judge - but bigots?
The gay agenda has mandated that we not judge people for "who they love."
And yet, they try to maintain that it doesn't mean if you "love" an 8 year old girl.
They can't have it both ways, and yet they insist that we buckle under their tyrannical views against Biblical morality.
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No, we are all born with original sin. That is part of what we are.
Are you trying to claim that "original sin" causes children to be born gay or prone to pedophilia? Cause that is what the discussion was referring to. If so, I'm stunned. :shrug:
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Yes, it is. And IMO the thrust should be sexual responsibility and accountability. Not arbitrary condemnation regardless of whether a gay couple lives faithfully and monogamously.
The cultural problems are promiscuity, unfaithfulness, and dishonesty and betrayal. Christians seem to say little about divorce, but shout themselves hoarse about how my neighbors - faithful and true - are nevertheless abominations and perverts. To them, the only prescriptions for a man or woman born gay are to remain celibate, or trick some poor innocent into a sham marriage where the sexual relationship will be non-existent or unfulfilling.
No, don't manipulate my words. There is no "gay marriage" and I don't care if people remain "faithful and true" to their own desires. That totally misses the point.
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Are you trying to claim that "original sin" causes children to be born gay or prone to pedophilia? Cause that is what the discussion was referring to. If so, I'm stunned. :shrug:
While that was not anything close to what I was saying, yes, I guess original sin covers all sin. Is that what you were asking? Or, you think there are special categories that are not covered by the concept of original sin?
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We are all born with our individual DNA and if yours includes Y chromosome you are a male. If it has no Y chromosome you are female.
Yes it really is that simple!
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We are all born with our individual DNA and if yours includes Y chromosome you are a male. If it has no Y chromosome you are female.
Yes it really is that simple!
You mean you can't become a boy if you're a girl just cause you wanna be a boy? (Or your parents want you to be neuter??)
I'm SHOCKED, I tell ya...... SHOCKED!
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You mean you can't become a boy if you're a girl just cause you wanna be a boy? (Or your parents want you to be neuter??)
I'm SHOCKED, I tell ya...... SHOCKED!
Oh! It's better than that! You can have parts removed or added to your hearts content but that only makes you a male or female who has chosen to physically disfigure yourself. It does not change your sex.
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Oh! It's better than that! You can have parts removed or added to your hearts content but that only makes you a male or female who has chosen to physically disfigure yourself. It does not change your sex.
Indeed!
Bruce Jenner is a physically disfigured, mentally ill MALE, and always will be.
The idea that he has been celebrated as somehow courageous, is proof of the moral, mental illness of the left.
(As are these abusive parents).
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We are all born with our individual DNA and if yours includes Y chromosome you are a male. If it has no Y chromosome you are female.
Yes it really is that simple!
Oh. An on-topic comment? ^-^
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No, don't manipulate my words. There is no "gay marriage" and I don't care if people remain "faithful and true" to their own desires. That totally misses the point.
I didn't manipulate your words. I gave my opinion. And same sex marriage is a fact under the civil law. Under the Constitution, religious freedom preserves the right of the Church to be arbitrarily cruel. I accept that as a price of liberty, much as I accept the right to choose an abortion even as I am appalled by it. But at least when it comes to religion, I can exercise my own liberty and reject the Church for imposing such cruelty on good, faithful people. I feel that is the least I can do to demonstrate my respect for Christ and his message of empathy.
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I didn't manipulate your words. I gave my opinion. And same sex marriage is a fact under the civil law. Under the Constitution, religious freedom preserves the right of the Church to be arbitrarily cruel. I accept that as a price of liberty, much as I accept the right to choose an abortion even as I am appalled by it. But at least when it comes to religion, I can exercise my own liberty and reject the Church for imposing such cruelty on good, faithful people. I feel that is the least I can do to demonstrate my respect for Christ and his message of empathy.
Nothing you ever say reflects even the most basic knowledge or understanding of Jesus Christ.
Stop using His Name as though you have even the slightest clue about His teaching.
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Nothing you ever say reflects even the most basic knowledge or understanding of Jesus Christ.
Stop using His Name as though you have even the slightest clue about His teaching.
And who made you Pope?
I understand you'd be more comfortable if I was just another atheist dumping on God and Christ. To the contrary, I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry. The word "perverts" and other vile epithets fly freely on this board, and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
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And who made you Pope?
I understand you'd be more comfortable if I was just another atheist dumping on God and Christ. To the contrary, I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry. The words "perverts" and "bleep" and other vile epithets fly freely on this board, and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.
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And who made you Pope?
I understand you'd be more comfortable if I was just another atheist dumping on God and Christ. To the contrary, I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry. The word "perverts" and other vile epithets fly freely on this board, and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
You had a point until the end, where you revealed your total lack of understanding, once again.
Christ's message is not one of "empathy," it is one of REDEMPTION from the sin that enslaves us, whether that be homosexual or heterosexual sin, envy, impatience, greed, hatred, or whatever it might be. He shed His blood so that we might be freed from that sin. He never, ever, ever "empathized" with sin. He HATES it. (Yours and mine).
I completely agree that the nasty words need to stop (I don't use them, but you don't seem to notice the difference, because you have condemned me in the group), but as long as you are claiming to know the Godhead, and grossly misinterpret and misstate what Jesus actually SAID (not what you want Him to have said), I will call you on it.
That doesn't actually make me "the Pope." Your lofty, self-centered condemnation of every conservative Christian on this board makes that more your problem than mine.
@Jazzhead
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I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.
Until he lost it.
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And who made you Pope?
I understand you'd be more comfortable if I was just another atheist dumping on God and Christ. To the contrary, I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry. The word "perverts" and other vile epithets fly freely on this board, and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
Jesus Christ's message to sinners was always.... go and sin no more. What part of that are you not bright enough.... or perhaps too leftist .... to comprehend? The empathy stops where the sinner refuses to stop sinning. (duh)
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YAY!!!! I found another thread where JH tells us what an amazing, top notch conservative he is and then proceeds to spout nothing but leftist claptrap! No day is complete without more of this inanity!
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I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.
Leftie trolls don't have points.... except on the top of their heads. JS.....
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No, I've never heard or seen that.
Give it time @Sanguine , give it time
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This is not a religious thread. Please stick to the topic.
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Unauthorized crossing of the border is an illegal misdemeanor. That's simply a fact. Reasonable minds can differ regarding the ultimate penalty for such misdemeanor - I would put much stock in what the individual did or didn't do after he crosses the border. It is madness to incarcerate 12 million people for the "criminal" act of coming here in search of a job.
Well, I agree with that. Just ship their asses home.
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It is madness to incarcerate 12 million people for the "criminal" act of coming here in search of a job.
And it's complete ignorance if you honestly believe all of those 12 million people are here in search of a job.
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And it's complete ignorance if you honestly believe all of those 12 million people are here in search of a job.
And even greater madness to believe it's only 12 million.
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And even greater madness to believe it's only 12 million.
Very true.
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And who made you Pope?
To the contrary, I am a man of faith who is disillusioned by the message that the Bible justifies arbitrary cruelty and bigotry. The word "perverts" and other vile epithets fly freely on this board, and those words come from the mouths of Christians who ought to know better about Christ's message of empathy.
"Go and sin no more" was a command, not a suggestion. It was given to save the adulterous woman's life literally and spiritually.
How demonic that would you declare Christ as not having empathy for condemning men who pervert the law of God for their own wicked desires and ends:
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to sheol? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your churches and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar." - Matthew 23:33-35
You snakes! You brood of vipers! "Vile epithets" that Jesus Himself proclaimed in the Aramaic language written down in Greek. He called them what they were.
And I call you, what you are, based on the words you have written and the vile behaviors you advocate for as 'righteous' and 'moral'.
"So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven". - Matthew 5:19
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God". - I Corinthians 6:9-10
There is an eternal death penalty for practicing the very behaviors YOU are telling people here are good and moral. You have zero clue the condemnation you are heaping upon yourself that will come due on the Day of Judgment for yourself.
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No, we are all born with original sin. That is part of what we are.
Yep. But Original Sin was a choice to give in to temptation and go against the express command of God.
Eating of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.
Sex wasn't mentioned. They didn't even know they were naked until after they ate.
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Jesus Christ's message to sinners was always.... go and sin no more. What part of that are you not bright enough.... or perhaps too leftist .... to comprehend? The empathy stops where the sinner refuses to stop sinning. (duh)
If a person refuses to admit their sin is sin, they can't ever repent. That forgiveness involves repentance. By asserting that which is sin, and even specifically mentioned as abomination, is not sin, then the opportunity for repentance is removed, and with it the opportunity for forgiveness.
Precluding the very basic process by which all can be forgiven by asserting 'that nothing is wrong with that' is about as far from Christian as it gets. Those who make such assertions stand directly between the sinner and redemption.
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If a person refuses to admit their sin is sin, they can't ever repent. That forgiveness involves repentance. By asserting that which is sin, and even specifically mentioned as abomination, is not sin, then the opportunity for repentance is removed, and with it the opportunity for forgiveness.
Precluding the very basic process by which all can be forgiven by asserting 'that nothing is wrong with that' is about as far from Christian as it gets. Those who make such assertions stand directly between the sinner and redemption.
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Yep. But Original Sin was a choice to give in to temptation and go against the express command of God.
Eating of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.
Sex wasn't mentioned. They didn't even know they were naked until after they ate.
Original sin was to follow one's own desires and not God's will. Can you think of any sin that doesn't fall into that category?
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"Go and sin no more" was a command, not a suggestion. It was given to save the adulterous woman's life literally and spiritually.
How demonic that would you declare Christ as not having empathy for condemning men who pervert the law of God for their own wicked desires and ends
Adultery is sinful behavior. It is the deliberate breaking of a solemn vow. Marrying and remaining faithful to the partner one loves is not. That you would label me "demonic" for suggesting such a thing just shows the cruelty at the heart of your brand of "Christianity". My neighbors are neither perverts nor have "wicked desires", and it is you that has perverted and made hateful the message of Christ.
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God didn't say "the partner one loves." God defined marriage as man and woman. You're just inventing your own scripture.
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If a person refuses to admit their sin is sin, they can't ever repent.
That is correct. But you would have me believe that sin is cruel and arbitrary, and that a homosexual can never avoid sin even within the bounds of faithful marriage.
No. That cannot be the will of God.
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Adultery is sinful behavior. It is the deliberate breaking of a solemn vow. Marrying and remaining faithful to the partner one loves is not. That you would label me "demonic" for suggesting such a thing just shows the cruelty at the heart of your brand of "Christianity". My neighbors are neither perverts nor have "wicked desires", and it is you that has perverted and made hateful the message of Christ.
Jazz, marriage is to form the basic human unit, and a big part of that is to produce more humans. The Bible is very clear that homosexual behavior falls into the category of "perversion". Just as heterosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect, homosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect either.
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God didn't say "the partner one loves." God defined marriage as man and woman. You're just inventing your own scripture.
God is not arbitrary and cruel.
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God is not arbitrary and cruel.
No, but He can appear to be to those of us who want to follow our own desires and not His will.
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God is not arbitrary and cruel.
God is holy and righteous and, yes, he does judge the unrepentant. He doesn't change His standards just to make you or anyone else feel more comfortable in their sin. At the same time, He is forgiving and merciful to those who acknowledge their sin and ask forgiveness - not, I suspect, to those who say God didn't really mean what He said.
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Just as heterosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect, homosexuals who do not have sex outside of marriage are not sinners in that respect either.
I can accept that. Fidelity is at the heart of sexual responsibility. But I cannot accept that, to remain free of sin, a homosexual must marry someone he does not have the capacity to love (in the sexual sense). If what you suggest is God's will, then a homosexual has no choice but to remain celibate. (Indeed, there are few things more cruel than to marry someone you do not have the capacity to have a sexual relationship with; that is cheating one's spouse of something basic to human nature which God commands be exercised within the bounds of monogamy.)
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No, but He can appear to be to those of us who want to follow our own desires and not His will.
I am not suggesting that folks oppose God's will. But His will cannot be that a homosexual must marry only a person he cannot have the capacity to love in a sexual sense. His/her spouse then becomes an innocent victim, cheated of a normal married life and without the ability (without committing the sin of adultery) to seek sexual satisfaction.
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:thud:
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God is not arbitrary and cruel.
According to Satan and you, He is.
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I can accept that. Fidelity is at the heart of sexual responsibility. But I cannot accept that, to remain free of sin, a homosexual must marry someone he does not have the capacity to love (in the sexual sense). If what you suggest is God's will, then a homosexual has no choice but to remain celibate. (Indeed, there are few things more cruel than to marry someone you do not have the capacity to have a sexual relationship with; that is cheating one's spouse of something basic to human nature which God commands be exercised within the bounds of monogamy.)
Why can't a homosexual love another human being, even if they are a woman? And, celibacy is indeed an option for many, many of whom are not homosexual.
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I am not suggesting that folks oppose God's will. But His will cannot be that a homosexual must marry only a person he cannot have the capacity to love in a sexual sense. His/her spouse then becomes an innocent victim, cheated of a normal married life and without the ability (without committing the sin of adultery) to seek sexual satisfaction.
And, how did you arrive at this conclusion?
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According to Satan and you, He is.
Yeah, that's helpful. :shrug:
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That is correct. But you would have me believe that sin is cruel and arbitrary, and that a homosexual can never avoid sin even within the bounds of faithful marriage.
No. That cannot be the will of God.
And yet, it is.
Just as it is the will of God for a single person, no matter how much we love them and want them to be "happy," to abstain from sex.
Some men and women are destined to be celibate. Does that make God love them less?
Not according to the Christian Scripture (where Paul says it is actually better, so that they can devote themselves to ministry).
You, as other liberals, are putting all your eggs in the basket of human pleasure and saying that God cannot possibly will us to miss out on earthly pleasures.
As always a fundamental and complete lack of understanding of who God is, and what His Word says.
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Yeah, that's helpful. :shrug:
Perhaps....but not as helpful as accusing someone of "judging harshly". :whistle:
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Perhaps....but not as helpful as accusing someone of "judging harshly". :whistle:
Only if you've been doing it. ^-^
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Only if you've been doing it. ^-^
Yeah..... I'm getting that impression.
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Yeah..... I'm getting that impression.
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God is not arbitrary and cruel.
No, the "rules" remain constant, changing only with Christ who said:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Great idea for some.
I didn't want to go to Vietnam either.
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No. Wrong.
The family, specifically the father wires children to accept gender roles, God is NOT the author of sin and perversion. That you would accuse Him of such speaks to what you are possessed in mind and heart by.
@INVAR
Sexual attraction is genetic,not learned. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us fathers make their children heterosexual or homosexual?
IF there is anything to blame or credit from this other than a chemical reaction at conception,it is your "kind and loving God" that is responsible for it. Man up and admit it.
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Parents play a huge role in teaching and demonstrating good values, honest and respectful behavior, and the like. So does churchin'. But on the basic question of sexual orientation (separate and apart from BEHAVIOR based on such orientation), that's God's doing. He wires you gay or straight. After that, it's up to you to live virtuously or sinfully.
@Jazzhead
Nope,it's all due to a freak chemical reaction at conception due to unknown circumstances. There is no rhyme or reason to it,it just happens occasionally.
Granted,there seems to be a LOT of trendy bi-sexuals "coming out of the closet" the last few years. MY opinion on that one is that without question there are genuine transsexuals,but most are just homos looking for attention in this "Brave New World".
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Gay or straight is a preference made as an adult in the same manner that people prefer certain hair colors or body styles.
God doesn't wire you to be gay...that's uneducated Liberal bullsh*t.
@txradioguy
ROFLMAO! Are you actually claiming that YOU can be a homosexual that gets warm for the form on other men if you wanted?
If you do,I have bad news for you.
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This is a fact that the homosexuality-is-wired-and-normal crowd would like us all to just ignore.
We are all 'wired' to sin because the first man and woman CHOSE to sin, and we have all chosen the same ever since.
This world is a sin-filled world, and all of it........ ALL of it .......... is man's choice, and not God's choosing.
People with genetic diseases they are born with (NO proof that homosexuality is inborn) were not "wired by God" to have those diseases.
They have them because we live in a fallen world.
@musiclady
ROFLMAO! What part of the universe is your home world located?
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Are pedophiles wired that way, too?
@dfwgator
Obviously. So are firebugs,sociopaths,etc,etc,etc. Being wired a certain way does NOT mean you have to obey your urges,and if you do,being born that way in no excuse.
We are ALL born selfish. Babies MUST be selfish to survive. Crying is a way of attracting attention when they need or want something. We are all selfish at core our whole lives,but almost all of us learn to control it and allow room for others to live,also. Even sociopaths understand there is something wrong with them they need to hide in order to remain free,
It's now "how you are born" that matters. What matters is how you develop intellectually and emotionally.
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What homosexuals do together cannot result in new life- that's a big clue right there.
@austingirl
Does that mean people who are born sterile or who are too old to create a child are evil?
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And yet, I've witnessed these same leftie idiots claim that there are "gays" in the animal kingdom. Sublime idiocy.
@XenaLee
There are. I had a couple I was friends with that had a homosexual cocker spaniel. He would hang around females in heat and lick or try to mount the males.
That's the only time I ever saw it,but I did see it.
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Sin has to do with your behavior, not who you are. Bible thumpers should tend to their own rotten houses.
@Jazzhead
NOT going to happen. Not now,not ever. WHY do you think they are bible thumpers in the first place if not to hope God will cut them some slack for kissing his ass on "The Big Day" they hope and fear he pops up to collect bills due.
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Well... God didn't wire you to be an asinine FOS leftie. Yet here you are.
(that's ok, mods..... I'll take this hit.... gladly)
@XenaLee @Jazzhead
XenaLee,you are confused. YOU are the one wired to be an asinine FOS elitist. Just like all the other Church Ladies.
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Nearly without exception every gay I've personally known had other significant emotional/mental issues.
@skeeter
Hammer,meet nail. What else COULD they be in a world that used to burn them at the stake,and still wants to.
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I never understood the "born that way" argument. I think some people are naturally "wired" to respond to conflict with physical violence, is that supposed to make it okay?
@thackney
What sort of "logic" leads you to believe that people who are "born that way",regardless of which way "that" may be are or should be allowed to do anything they want? Are sociopaths free to set nunneries on fire because they happen to like killing people and they LOVE flames?
As for homosexuals,they have EVERY right to live their lives as homosexuals in America,as you do to live your life as a bible-thumping heterosexual. They just don't have a right to force you or anyone else to join in with them or to even like them. ALL you are required to do by a fee society is to just leave them alone. Which is the same burden put on them.
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You mean you can't become a boy if you're a girl just cause you wanna be a boy? (Or your parents want you to be neuter??)
I'm SHOCKED, I tell ya...... SHOCKED!
@musiclady
Are you now trying to claim there were never any hermaphrodites in all of history?
Not that it matters much. You and the other church ladies,primarily you,have shrieked and howled your hatred,and by now you are already complaining to the mods that people are "being hateful to me" in order to get the last word and get the thread shut down.
You did this same crap on FR,and you will do it again on the next board you go on because you just HAVE to do your little "superiority dance" to "prove" you are "better" than others.
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I hate to admit it, but he's got a point.
@Sanguine @Jazzhead
Yes,he does.
In addition to a HELL of a lot more patience than I have.
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XenaLee,you are confused. YOU are the one wired to be an asinine FOS elitist. Just like all the other Church Ladies.
Me? An elitist? Or a Church Lady?
HAhahahaha! You have no idea how really clueless you are.
Talk about being FOS....
you just won that prize, hands down.
Congrats!
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YAY!!!! I found another thread where JH tells us what an amazing, top notch conservative he is and then proceeds to spout nothing but leftist claptrap! No day is complete without more of this inanity!
@Axeslinger
Being a conservative has NOTHING in common with being a religious lunatic. In AMERICA,"conservatism" is related to politics,not superstitious beliefs in Holy Ghosts.
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Well, I agree with that. Just ship their asses home.
@Smokin Joe
I couldn't agree more.I would only add we need to guard our borders in such a way that it is almost impossible to cross into America without permission.
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And yet, it is.
Just as it is the will of God for a single person, no matter how much we love them and want them to be "happy," to abstain from sex.
Some men and women are destined to be celibate. Does that make God love them less?
Not according to the Christian Scripture (where Paul says it is actually better, so that they can devote themselves to ministry).
You, as other liberals, are putting all your eggs in the basket of human pleasure and saying that God cannot possibly will us to miss out on earthly pleasures.
As always a fundamental and complete lack of understanding of who God is, and what His Word says.
Your moral certitude is unbecoming. Humility is a virtue, isn't it?
The Bible can IMO be reasonably read to condemn the commission by heterosexuals of homosexual acts. That is abnormal sexuality, unconducive to the reproductive survival of the tribe, and is condemned for reasons similar to why heterosexual adultery is condemned.
But such acts are normal for the homosexual, with the abnormal act being the taking of a wife and denying her of a basic human need that can only be partaken, so says the Lord, within the confines of marriage. I see no reason, therefore, to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary, arbitrary and cruel, that prescibes no possible way for the homosexual to act in the way he is wired without committng sin.
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Sexual attraction is genetic,not learned. Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us fathers make their children heterosexual or homosexual?
Yup. That's what I'm telling you. Fathers set the gender roles of their offspring. Daddies teach their girls how to become ladies, and boys how to become men.
You're a smart guy and logical if anything else. You don't see any cultural correlation with single mom households, absentee fatherhood and the rise of gender and sexual confusion in this country?
I do.
IF there is anything to blame or credit from this other than a chemical reaction at conception,it is your "kind and loving God" that is responsible for it. Man up and admit it.
Now now Pete, why ascribe blame to a Being you admit you do not believe in?
Like I said on another thread, when I was about 12, I was "in love" with my best pal. It wasn't sexual - but I've read a lot of homosexuals share a similar experience to describe themselves as always having been 'wired' homosexual. However, I had a Dad and extended family that steered me into the right and proper direction when it came to sex and attraction and responsibilities. I was not encouraged to go and find myself or figure it out for myself. I was taught what was right, what was wrong, both in terms of religion - and then later when I was an Atheist - via science and culture.
Sexual behavior is a choice. When you are urged to go and kill the moron who just cut you off in traffic - but you know that murder is wrong - you steer yourself away from acting on those urges. When you are married with kids and you are attracted to your neighbor's wife - you avoid putting yourself in a situation to act on it - because you know it is wrong - even if you are attracted to her.
You can either feed attractions and urges, or practice self control. Often, environments expose us to attractions and behaviors that are downright bizarre, dangerous and evil. Going down that path - you become what those attractions offer.
You should read up on sexual addictions. It's fascinating. Porn addiction in particular.
Most men attempting to overcome sexual addictions or homosexuality in counseling almost all state that lack of a father-figure at home, and their exposure to pornography and illicit lifestyles opened them up to more depraved attractions and behaviors in order to achieve orgasm. It's like drug addicts who constantly need to use heavier and more exotic drugs to get high. The brain works the same way with sex. The more exposure to bizarre sex, the more perverse and outrageous the behavior becomes - until it literally becomes who they are and literally screws with the middle of the brain, moreso than even heroin.
Either a behavior is right and good, or it is wrong with consequences that follow. Doing what feels good and satisfies the self - is the way human nature works. Morality is when we do not follow what satisfies the flesh, but satisfies either our faith, family or duty. Often all 3 at once.
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Your moral certitude is unbecoming.
Your lying and deceit to pass yourself off as something you are not is yours.
See, unlike you - Pete here and I are on opposite ends of the religion spectrum in terms of understanding. But unlike you - I LIKE Pete. I understand Pete. I know where Pete is coming from and he has been brutally honest about who he is, what he thinks and why.
Pete illustrates logic in his thinking and takes the time to at least consider a logical or scientific explanation for things. He does not pass himself off as something he is not. Even though his contempt for religion is made very manifest here. But I understand why he has that contempt, and history teaches him those lessons which are inarguable.
Pete is not attempting to deceive as you are. Pete is Pete, and I respect him light years ahead of the likes of you.
You on the other hand, have no such virtue or honesty. You lie about who and what you are, even though your own words and advocacies reveal what you are and what you really are all about - even though you continue to lie daily about it.
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Sexual behavior is a choice.
But sexual orientation is not. And it is destructive force a homosexual to marry a member of the opposite gender.
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Your lying and deceit to pass yourself off as something you are not is yours.
See, unlike you - Pete here and I are on opposite ends of the religion spectrum in terms of understanding. But unlike you - I LIKE Pete. I understand Pete. I know where Pete is coming from and he has been brutally honest about who he is, what he thinks and why.
Pete illustrates logic in his thinking and takes the time to at least consider a logical or scientific explanation for things. He does not pass himself off as something he is not. Even though his contempt for religion is made very manifest here. But I understand why he has that contempt, and history teaches him those lessons which are inarguable.
Pete is not attempting to deceive as you are. Pete is Pete, and I respect him light years ahead of the likes of you.
You on the other hand, have no such virtue or honesty. You lie about who and what you are, even though your own words and advocacies reveal what you are and what you really are all about - even though you continue to lie daily about it.
Oh good. We have someone here who can look into the hearts of others and determine what is there.
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But sexual orientation is not. And it is destructive force a homosexual to marry a member of the opposite gender.
Like I said earlier, you might be oriented to be a violent persona, a mass rapist or a murderer too - and yet, one usually exercises self-control to put those desires down and work to eradicate them from being something you will act upon.
But should the day come that rape and murder become acceptable in a society, someone like you will argue that their behavioral orientation to violence is not a choice either.
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Oh good. We have someone here who can look into the hearts of others and determine what is there.
Where do you get that from? Pete and I have had a few conversations and arguments.
Same with our resident leftist.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (or types). Ever hear of that proverb?
I judge them based on what they have said.
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Where do you get that from? Pete and I have had a few conversations and arguments.
Same with our resident leftist.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (or types). Ever hear of that proverb?
I judge them based on what they have said.
Invar, you've lost all credibility with me. You don't appear to be what you want us to believe you to be.
But, I'm not important and you will dismiss whatever I say if it doesn't comport with what you want to hear.
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Invar, you've lost all credibility with me. You don't appear to be what you want us to believe you to be.
But, I'm not important and you will dismiss whatever I say if it doesn't comport with what you want to hear.
WTH?????
How about look to the substance of what I post here?
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WTH?????
How about look to the substance of what I post here?
I did, and that's what brought me to that conclusion. That ol' 2 x 4 in your eye is so big you can't see a thing around it.
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I did, and that's what brought me to that conclusion. That ol' 2 x 4 in your eye is so big you can't see a thing around it.
Make sure you put me on ignore then.
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Make sure you put me on ignore then.
You could actually think about what I (and others have) said. Could be useful. Either way, may God continue to bless you and may you (and I) gain needed wisdom.
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Your moral certitude is unbecoming. Humility is a virtue, isn't it?
The Bible can IMO be reasonably read to condemn the commission by heterosexuals of homosexual acts. That is abnormal sexuality, unconducive to the reproductive survival of the tribe, and is condemned for reasons similar to why heterosexual adultery is condemned.
But such acts are normal for the homosexual, with the abnormal act being the taking of a wife and denying her of a basic human need that can only be partaken, so says the Lord, within the confines of marriage. I see no reason, therefore, to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary, arbitrary and cruel, that prescibes no possible way for the homosexual to act in the way he is wired without committng sin.
Any certitude I have is in God, His Son Jesus, and His word.
You, on the other hand are certain that the way you feel about things is the way things are.
Between the two of us, YOU are the one who is self-righteous and arrogant.
It is not pride that I am expressing. It is the assurance that God is faithful, and His word is true.
I'm sorry you can't deal with that and prefer your own mind to the mind of God, but no insult of yours will keep me from trusting in my Creator, in His will, or in His law.
Some food for thought from the sinner, David (Psalm 19: 7-14):
7 The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the Lord are right,
giving joy to the heart.
The commands of the Lord are radiant,
giving light to the eyes.
9 The fear of the Lord is pure,
enduring forever.
The decrees of the Lord are firm,
and all of them are righteous.
10 They are more precious than gold,
than much pure gold;
they are sweeter than honey,
than honey from the honeycomb.
11 By them your servant is warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.
12 But who can discern their own errors?
Forgive my hidden faults.
13 Keep your servant also from willful sins;
may they not rule over me.
Then I will be blameless,
innocent of great transgression.
14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight,
Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer
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You could actually think about what I (and others have) said. Could be useful. Either way, may God continue to bless you and may you (and I) gain needed wisdom.
Since I've lost all credibility with you over the things I have written today, putting me on ignore is the best advice I can offer.
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Since I've lost all credibility with you over the things I have written today, putting me on ignore is the best advice I can offer.
Yes, but it's not up to you.
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……..AND 191posts later, has anyone's mind been changed?
Any new members added, to any flocks?
Any highly effective persuasion tools been on display?
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The Law of the Lord is perfect
I agree! Without a doubt. And that is why I decline to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary, arbitrary and cruel, that prescribes no possible way for a homosexual to act in accordance with way he was wired without committing sin.
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……..AND 191posts later, has anyone's mind been changed?
Any new members added, to any flocks?
Any highly effective persuasion tools been on display?
@INVAR has been effective in persuading @Sanguine to put him on ignore.
That's making inroads. ^-^
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Any highly effective persuasion tools been on display?
Biblical Apologetics as a martial art form in defense of the Faith against attempts to circumvent the Word of God and blame Him for causing people to be 'wired' to commit sin was displayed today.
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@INVAR has been effective in persuading @Sanguine to put him on ignore.
That's making inroads. ^-^
If only the rest of you that are so put off by what I write would do the same.
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@INVAR has been effective in persuading @Sanguine to put him on ignore.
That's making inroads. ^-^
Nope, Invar can't make me do anything. :silly:
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If only the rest of you that are so put off by what I write would do the same.
That could be a learning moment, Invar. Maybe you shouldn't try so hard to put people off. Not a very persuasive or informative tactic.
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@austingirl
I said:
What homosexuals do together cannot result in new life- that's a big clue right there.
You answered:
Does that mean people who are born sterile or who are too old to create a child are evil?
@sneakypete
Your argument is an epic logic fail. Homosexuals deliberately and willfully perform a mockery of the act that creates life. To compare that with physical issues of heterosexual is specious.
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I agree! Without a doubt. And that is why I decline to interpret the Bible in a way that is unnecessary, arbitrary and cruel, that prescribes no possible way for a homosexual to act in accordance with way he was wired without committing sin.
You ignored the rest. You forgot to find out what "The Law of the Lord" actually is, or means. You ignored the fact that David was repentant of his sin and was punished for it.
IOW, you once again imposed your feelings and denied the reality of who God is and what His Word says.
I ask you........PLEASE............. spout your opinions if you will, no one will stop you, but STOP attributing your feelings to God. He is Holy. He is Righteous. And He does not suffer mockery.
Stop doing it.
Let others argue with your opinions as you state them. Your feelings are shared by many others (mostly outside this forum), but they are not in line with God's word, or His law, and therefore you are walking a dangerous line in forcing your own feelings and 'morality' on a Holy God.
For YOUR sake, stop. I don't think you're a bad person, but what you are doing here is dangerous for you.
@Jazzhead
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@sneakypete
Your argument is an epic logic fail. Homosexuals deliberately and willfully perform a mockery of the act that creates life. To compare that with physical issues of heterosexual is specious.
@austingirl
ONE of us is having an epic failure of logic,and it ain't me.
Then again,I don't have any dogmas nipping at my heels.
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You ignored the rest. You forgot to find out what "The Law of the Lord" actually is, or means. You ignored the fact that David was repentant of his sin and was punished for it.
IOW, you once again imposed your feelings and denied the reality of who God is and what His Word says.
I ask you........PLEASE............. spout your opinions if you will, no one will stop you, but STOP attributing your feelings to God. He is Holy. He is Righteous. And He does not suffer mockery.
Stop doing it.
@Jazzhead
@Jazzhead @musiclady
Speaking of mockery of Gods Law (tm),how about God proclaiming that jealousy is one of the 7 deadly sins,and then proclaiming "I am a jealous God,and you will have no God before me!"
BTW,doesn't that ALSO indicate there are other Gods,or who would he have to be jealous of?
Or maybe you think he misspoke?
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@austingirl
ONE of us is having an epic failure of logic,and it ain't me.
Then again,I don't have any dogmas nipping at my heels.
You are immune to logic. **nononono*
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@Jazzhead @musiclady
Speaking of mockery of Gods Law (tm),how about God proclaiming that jealousy is one of the 7 deadly sins,and then proclaiming "I am a jealous God,and you will have no God before me!"
Actually Pete, the "7 Deadly Sins' was and is a construct of the Catholic church expounding on a letter the Apostle Paul wrote to the Romans warning against the root cause of sin in the congregation there. There is no biblical 'listing' of 7 Deadly sins. Sin is sin and does not have a ranking system indicating some are worse than others.
I mean, to take your point - one of the '7 deadly sins' is against "gluttony" - yet God commands his people to Feast before Him during his appointed holy times, especially the Feast of Tabernacles during the Fall harvest season. If 'gluttony' was a listed sin - the command to party before Him on His Feast Days would indeed be hypocritical.
BTW,doesn't that ALSO indicate there are other Gods,or who would he have to be jealous of?
Or maybe you think he misspoke?
Not at all. He is jealous of our affections and attentions, same as any parent would be if their kid began calling someone who had ill intents toward them 'daddy' or 'mommy'.
After all, what parent doesn't yank their hair out when their kid no longer respects or listens to their instructions and rules of the house anymore? Oftentimes serious consequences of bad behavior occur, and what parent wants to see their kid suffer having to pay for their misdeeds instead of having a happy and productive life?
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Or maybe you think he misspoke?
Looks like you misspoke. If you're going to accuse God of saying stuff, read His word first, in order to quote Him accurate.
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@Smokin Joe
I couldn't agree more.I would only add we need to guard our borders in such a way that it is almost impossible to cross into America without permission.
Yep. Human smuggling ought to involve more than being a bus driver and tour guide.
But that degree of border control will only be established when those who are running things want to keep us in.
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Boy or Girl?
Why confuse your kids, life does enough of that.
I'm new on this type of thinking. I have neighbors that are gay (females) and they are my first experience with this.
Their kids are well behaved. They watch every move I make (even on the net) and told the neighborhood gossip that I'm their cousin? Someone told me that they hate men's guts. Their war, not mine. I promised their Mom that I would go easy on them when they moved in. I keep my word.
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You are immune to logic. **nononono*
@austingirl
Yeah,causen if deys wun thang religion is all bout hit bees "logic",huh?
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Actually Pete, the "7 Deadly Sins' was and is a construct of the Catholic church expounding on a letter the Apostle Paul wrote to the Romans warning against the root cause of sin in the congregation there. There is no biblical 'listing' of 7 Deadly sins. Sin is sin and does not have a ranking system indicating some are worse than others.
@INVAR
Thanks for the clarification. New Testament?
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@INVAR
Thanks for the clarification. New Testament?
Yes Pete. The Epistle of Paul to the Romans is in the New Testament.
Interestingly enough gluttony is not listed there in Romans, yet it is listed as one of the chief deadly sins - which BTW did not come about until the 4th century A.D. Nearly 400 years AFTER the birth of Christ and His ministry.
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Yes Pete. The Epistle of Paul to the Romans is in the New Testament.
Interestingly enough gluttony is not listed there in Romans, yet it is listed as one of the chief deadly sins - which BTW did not come about until the 4th century A.D. Nearly 400 years AFTER the birth of Christ and His ministry.
@INVAR
Ahhh,the new and PC Approved word of Gawd!
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@INVAR
Ahhh,the new and PC Approved word of Gawd!
No Pete, not really biblical at all. Rather a tradition of men forged into a doctrine that has promulgated through centuries of Catholic teaching and dominance.
It’s just assumed to be biblical.
Kind of like purgatory and paying indulgences to the priesthood was att one time thought to be a biblical precedent.
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@austingirl
Yeah,causen if deys wun thang religion is all bout hit bees "logic",huh?
@sneakypete :rolling: Sorry about your inability to spell and use grammar.
If you fail to see the flawed reasoning in equating deliberate perverted action to infertility, there is no hope for you.