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Terri Schiavo's Family Joins Fight for Teen on Life Support
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:38 PM
By: Cathy Burke
A foundation started on behalf of Terri Schiavo, whose case sparked a national right-to-die debate, says it's been secretly helping the family of of a 13-year-old brain dead California girl fight to keep her on life support.
The Terri Schiavo Life & Hope Network said in a statement it's been involved in the case of Jahi McMath in "relative silence," as her family searched for a long-term care facility to care for her.
McMath's family says it found a facility in New York; doctors at Children's Hospital Oakland assert there's no hope for her recovery. She was declared brain dead after complications from a routine tonsillectomy Dec. 12.
"Together with our team of experts, Terri's Network believes Jahi's case is representative of a very deep problem within the U.S. healthcare system -- particularly those issues surrounding the deaths of patients within the confines of hospital corporations, which have a vested financial interest in discontinuing life," the foundation said.
Schiavo's case sparked a national debate in the '90s as doctors, lawyers and family members battled over whether to remove Schiavo's feeding tube. She died in 2005, nearly two weeks after doctors removed the device.
In the foundation statement about McMath, Bobby Schindler, Terri Schiavo's brother and executive director of the organization, noted: "Families and individuals must make themselves aware of what so-called 'brain death' is and what it is not. Every person needs to understand that medical accidents happen every day. Families and individuals must be more aware of the issue of accountability and patient rights."
On Tuesday, a judge extended Jahi's life support an hour before a federal court order keeping the hospital from unhooking her was set to expire. The deadline was extended to Jan. 7.
McMath family lawyer Christopher Dolan said Wednesday he's fighting for a tracheostomy for Jahi.
"However, many surgeons and hospital administrators are on holiday making our goal difficult to reach," he said in a statement posted on the foundations website.
"If Children's Hospital Oakland would perform the procedure we could quickly move Jahi to a facility that provides innovative world-class treatments, of the type being given to Prime Minister Sharon in Israel."
Dolan pleaded for a specialist to step forward "and give this mother the choice and this child a chance."
Children's Hospital Oakland declared last week it "does not believe that performing surgical procedures on the body of a deceased person is an appropriate medical practice," ABC News reported.
Omari Sealey, Jahi's uncle, said Wednesday the family still hopes to move her to another facility, CNN reported.
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I'm as pro-life as can be, and I've pretty much had enough of Bobby Schindler. He's making a good living (http://non-profit-organizations.findthebest.com/l/1417159/Terri-Schiavo-Life-And-Hope-Network-Inc)as CEO of the Terri Schiavo Life & Hope Network, though. :pondering:
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I'm as pro-life as can be, and I've pretty much had enough of Bobby Schindler. He's making a good living (http://non-profit-organizations.findthebest.com/l/1417159/Terri-Schiavo-Life-And-Hope-Network-Inc)as CEO of the Terri Schiavo Life & Hope Network, though. :pondering:
This girl is dead ...this stupid crap is wasting the hospitals time ,resources and money **nononono*...
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This girl is dead ...this stupid crap is wasting the hospitals time ,resources and money **nononono*...
This is a steep, slippery slope that we are headed down. It won't end well. Healthcare rationing, then euthanasia by gov't decree.
Logan's Run anybody?
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Six doctors and the hospital have all declared her brain dead with no hope of 're-entry'.
Somebody should ask Kathleen Sabelius what SHE would do under Obamacare.
....heh-heh!
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Six doctors and the hospital have all declared her brain dead with no hope of 're-entry'.
Somebody should ask Kathleen Sabelius what SHE would do under Obamacare.
....heh-heh!
Not fair. You know that 'death panels' don't exist. Palin just made that up...
/s
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This girl is dead ...this stupid crap is wasting the hospitals time ,resources and money **nononono*...
It's not the financial aspects of her care that concern me. If this child were not brain dead, I'd say "do whatever it takes." But she is.
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I find it odd, that people who claim to believe in "life after death" are among those working so hard to prevent an innocent person, from going on to their next reward.
It is like they fight against God's will, while claiming themselves to be Godly people.
So in my opinion, they do not need machines to pump blood through the dead girl's body.
They need comfort, counseling, a kindly pastor, to help the family accept what has taken place, and move on with their lives.
Acceptance does not equal approval.
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I find it odd, that people who claim to believe in "life after death" are among those working so hard to prevent an innocent person, from going on to their next reward.
It is like they fight against God's will, while claiming themselves to be Godly people.
So in my opinion, they do not need machines to pump blood through the dead girl's body.
They need comfort, counseling, a kindly pastor, to help the family accept what has taken place, and move on with their lives.
Acceptance does not equal approval.
ditto ...the hospital were my mom worked had to get a court order to take a braindead kid off a ventilator.. they had to take up a whole hallway because of the smell of decay and then maggots ...make the family pay for wasting the hospitals time and resources and make them pay all court costs as well as the cleaning bill.... I have no sympathy for people who are that are so ignorant that they use up hospital resources, our tax dollars and put the doctors and nurses though hell because they are too ignorant to accept death or hear what the doctors say
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This is a steep, slippery slope that we are headed down. It won't end well. Healthcare rationing, then euthanasia by gov't decree.
There is a big difference in this girl and Terri Schiavo. McMath has no brain function at all while Schiavo did. McMath is kept functioning only by the machine keeping her heart and lungs working. Schiavo was not kept alive by machines, only a feeding tube. Her heart will stop within seconds of the machine being turned off. That is not being alive.
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I know if that were me I wouldn't have to worry I have a living will that says turn off the machines and I have a copy of it at my hospital and my son has another but this is a child and that is so hard for parents to accept. The fact this hospital may have helped kill their child makes it all the harder for the parents to trust the hospital or doctors and believe she is really gone. I understand their pain having lost a child myself and it took a long time for me to accept God needed him more than I did and I am glad I didn't have to make any decision like they are having to make concerning their child. I also don't think this case is the same as Terry Schiavo not in the least and shouldn't be compared to it.
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I agree with Atomic Cow, There is a big difference in this girl and Terri Schiavo. and like Mountaineer, am as pro-life as can be. But this child of God is physically dead and the parents have to come to accept that. The Terri Schiavo Life & Hope Network is on the wrong side on this one.
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... but this is a child and that is so hard for parents to accept. The fact this hospital may have helped kill their child makes it all the harder for the parents to trust the hospital or doctors and believe she is really gone. I understand their pain having lost a child myself and it took a long time for me to accept God needed him more than I did and I am glad I didn't have to make any decision like they are having to make concerning their child.
This is exactly right.
If you think you are 'as pro-life as can be', yet still want to turn-off the machines before the parents are ready... you aren't that pro-life...
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what the members of the supposed pro-life movement is a level of dignity. one would end the life of a pet as it would be inhumane to let it live yet keep a human alive in a worse state, waitin' for that miracle. if not a sparrow falls it would indicate there is no life above another. we obviously expect the family to spend themselves into the poor house or toss the bill over to John Q. Public to pay for care. if she were just another ghetto rat people would screaming be cutting off her welfare.
Pro-life does NOT mean keeping the shell of a creature that used to be human at all costs.
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what the members of the supposed pro-life movement is a level of dignity. one would end the life of a pet as it would be inhumane to let it live yet keep a human alive in a worse state, waitin' for that miracle. if not a sparrow falls it would indicate there is no life above another. we obviously expect the family to spend themselves into the poor house or toss the bill over to John Q. Public to pay for care. if she were just another ghetto rat people would screaming be cutting off her welfare.
Pro-life does NOT mean keeping the shell of a creature that used to be human at all costs.
Neither does it mean equating human life to putting pets down...
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Is it simply internet-lore, or didn't a young lady who was declared brain-dead by a hospital and medical staff reawaken after a year or so?
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Neither does it mean equating human life to putting pets down...
So, we keep grandma on a ventilator for 6 years, lest anyone think we care more about her estate than her, while the hospital, doctors, attorneys, moppers, nutrition specialists, cadre of protesters (for and against whilst the Preachers milk their flock down to the last dime) drain her bank account to the last dusty penny and as mentioned previously, for the Almighty to awaken her on a whim.
No thanks. My condolences to those who lost children, spouses or parents. I was that person, in a hospital bed for 6 days, I'm presuming non-responsive because I couldn't remember a whole lot and forget more with each passing day. Was my situation different? Couldn't tell you, don't know what they lived/living through. I will say this though, to my "perception" for lack of a better term, I think I felt prayer. It was elevating, arising, I can't think of a word, in Roman Catholic terms, I was near the altar, a place of holiness.
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Your situation was certainly different because technology told them you had 'normal' brain activity.
This young lady is....according to today's technology...dead and gone and requires a ventilator to assist in her breathing.
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Your situation was certainly different because technology told them you had 'normal' brain activity.
This young lady is....according to today's technology...dead and gone and requires a ventilator to assist in her breathing.
Correct. There is a time when the family must accept and let go.
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So, we keep grandma on a ventilator for 6 years, lest anyone think we care more about her estate than her, while the hospital, doctors, attorneys, moppers, nutrition specialists, cadre of protesters (for and against whilst the Preachers milk their flock down to the last dime) drain her bank account to the last dusty penny and as mentioned previously, for the Almighty to awaken her on a whim.
Wasn't what I said, now was it? Of course not. That's just how far you had to go to have a point.
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Correct. There is a time when the family must accept and let go.
So why don't you let them do that?
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I find it odd, that people who claim to believe in "life after death" are among those working so hard to prevent an innocent person, from going on to their next reward.
It is like they fight against God's will, while claiming themselves to be Godly people.
So in my opinion, they do not need machines to pump blood through the dead girl's body.
They need comfort, counseling, a kindly pastor, to help the family accept what has taken place, and move on with their lives.
Acceptance does not equal approval.
Good post. There are spiritualists that would suggest the soul has already left her body and moved on to its reward in Heaven.
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Good post. There are spiritualists that would suggest the soul has already left her body and moved on to its reward in Heaven.
If that has indeed happened, her body will not last long. If that has not happened, you would be killing her.
The urge to play God rears its ugly head so readily...
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If that has indeed happened, her body will not last long. If that has not happened, you would be killing her.
The urge to play God rears its ugly head so readily...
Actually depends on what your definition of "long" is. You can keep flesh and bones hydrated indefinitely, can't you?
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Neither does it mean equating human life to putting pets down...
"Putting pets down" consists of actively and intentionally poisoning them to death. That is not analogous to what is going on here.
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Is her heart beating on it's own in a steady rhythm? If so, she is not totally brain dead, even if her body may need assistance breathing. A feeding tube should be inserted, or she should be killed outright. Starvation and dehydration is not a good way to go, even if you don't notice it.
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"Putting pets down" consists of actively and intentionally poisoning them to death. That is not analogous to what is going on here.
Euthanizing pets is not poisoning them. Their hearts are stopped medicinally. There is no "poison."
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"Putting pets down" consists of actively and intentionally poisoning them to death. That is not analogous to what is going on here.
Perhaps it should.
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Is her heart beating on it's own in a steady rhythm? If so, she is not totally brain dead, even if her body may need assistance breathing. A feeding tube should be inserted, or she should be killed outright. Starvation and dehydration is not a good way to go, even if you don't notice it.
She is totally brain dead. In fact, it's likely her brain is liquifying. Decomposition has already set in. A few more days and a medical examiner will be unable to determine cause of death.
The fault lies with this judge who is indulging the fantasies of the parents.
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Euthanizing pets is not poisoning them. Their hearts are stopped medicinally. There is no "poison."
By "poison" I meant a drug that causes their death. Forgive my inaccurate choice of words.
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She is totally brain dead. In fact, it's likely her brain is liquifying. Decomposition has already set in. A few more days and a medical examiner will be unable to determine cause of death.
The fault lies with this judge who is indulging the fantasies of the parents.
Then - switch her off. It's the kinder thing to do. As long as blood is flowing and her breathing is assisted, most of her body will remain alive, slowly starving.
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Actually depends on what your definition of "long" is. You can keep flesh and bones hydrated indefinitely, can't you?
Don't think so...
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"Putting pets down" consists of actively and intentionally poisoning them to death. That is not analogous to what is going on here.
Some people post as though the analogy is appropriate. That's the problem...
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Then - switch her off. It's the kinder thing to do. As long as blood is flowing and her breathing is assisted, most of her body will remain alive, slowly starving.
If she was decomposing, her heart wouldn't be able to beat.
Some people need to be taken with a mountain of salt...
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If she was decomposing, her heart wouldn't be able to beat.
Some people need to be taken with a mountain of salt...
As someone who has made this decision... it's about the patient... not the survivors. You do the right thing and let them go. Keeping a body breathing on machines when the brain has ceased to function is inhumane and selfish.
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As someone who has made this decision... it's about the patient... not the survivors. You do the right thing and let them go. Keeping a body breathing on machines when the brain has ceased to function is inhumane and selfish.
What you don't do is force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That's what's inhumane and selfish.
Gawd people...
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What you don't do is force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That's what's inhumane and selfish.
Gawd people...
You are not killing someone who is already dead. Their child is dead.
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You are not killing someone who is already dead. Their child is dead.
You don't force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That is inhumane and selfish.
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You don't force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That is inhumane and selfish.
In this case you are wrong. Have you ever even seen a dead body on life support? I have. The parents are clearly incapable if understanding it's not her breathing, it's the machines. She isn't there, she's gone.
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In this case you are wrong. Have you ever even seen a dead body on life support? I have. The parents are clearly incapable if understanding it's not her breathing, it's the machines. She isn't there, she's gone.
No I'm not and yes I have and yes it was my 15 year-old daughter.
Satisfied?
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No I'm not and yes I have and yes it was my daughter.
Satisfied?
And did you let her go in peace? I'm guessing you did.
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And did you let her go in peace? I'm guessing you did.
F. U.
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F. U.
You are too emotionally invested in this circumstance to be objective.
Sorry for your loss.
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What you don't do is force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That's what's inhumane and selfish.
Gawd people...
If "they" don't think she's dead?
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I'd like to know more about these complications from a routine tonsillectomy. Was it negligence, ineptness.... exactly what happened.
Since we are facing a tonsillectomy in the family, this is unsettling news to hear.
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I'd like to know more about these complications from a routine tonsillectomy. Was it negligence, ineptness.... exactly what happened.
Since we are facing a tonsillectomy in the family, this is unsettling news to hear.
Could it have been the girl's weight?
This is why using computers rather than animal and human models for medical research. Mutation, medical misadventure, the Bossa Nova.
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You don't force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That is inhumane and selfish.
Fine. Let the family pay for maintaining her. They can take her home, and arrange for 24 hour skilled care.
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If she is not dead, let them pull the plug on the machines propping her up.
If she is truly not brain dead (and it has happened that they have prepared to take supposedly brain-dead people's organs only for them to wake up), she will respond.
If she is truly brain dead, she will die.
I empathize for the woman's family, but this is, quite literally, do or die time. No amount of propping up what is basically a corpse is going to help this woman recover.
They'd be best advised to start looking for a lawyer and investigating a wrongful death suit.
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[What you don't do is force a family to kill their child if they don't think she's dead.
That's what's inhumane and selfish.
Gawd people...
This is why I dislike pro lifers as much as I dislike the pro abortion fanatics ..what part of brain dead do people not understand ?
do they think they can bring somebody back from the dead by using the force ?
selfish is using up medical resources to keep a DEAD BODY on a machine
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Is her heart beating on it's own in a steady rhythm? If so, she is not totally brain dead, ....
The heart can initiate its own beating without nerve impulses from the brain. The cardiac conduction system is a group of specialized cardiac muscle cells in the walls of the heart that send signals to the heart muscle causing it to contract. No brain waves needed.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_24840744/jahi-mcmath-mom-can-remove-brain-dead-daughter
Jahi McMath: Mom can remove brain-dead daughter from hospital, judge rules
By Matthias Gafni, Kristin Bender and Matt O'Brien
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 01/03/2014 11:14:18 AM PST | Updated: about 2 hours ago
OAKLAND -- More than three weeks after Jahi McMath was declared brain-dead by doctors at Children's Hospital Oakland, her mother will be allowed to remove her 13-year-old daughter from the facility as long as she assumes full responsibility for her body, according to an agreement between both sides announced Friday morning in Alameda County Superior Court.
The hospital will allow a transfer team to enter the facility, take Jahi out and her entire health responsibility would then be transferred to mother Nailah Winkfield, according to the agreement. The judge denied forcing the hospital to insert a breathing and feeding tube into Jahi, which is required by all long-term care facilities willing to accept Jahi.
A tentative stipulation provided by Jahi's family attorney Christopher Dolan spelled out precise details on how Jahi would be transported from the facility.
"Petitioner must agree that she shall be wholly and exclusively responsible for Jahi McMath the moment custody is transferred in the Hospital's pediatric intensive care unit and acknowledge that she understands that the transfer and subsequent transport could impact that condition of the body, including causing cardiac arrest," according to the document.
Alameda County Sheriff's Office spokesman J.D. Nelson said a death certificate has been issued for Jahi, but is being held pending an autopsy. An air ambulance company that had quoted a price for flying Jahi from Oakland to Long Island, where a facility agreed to take her, said Friday it had not been contacted by the family yet and no flight was imminent.
After the hearing at the lower court, attorneys headed to federal court blocks away in Oakland, where a federal magistrate is expected to also weigh in on the matter.
"It's horrible that this child has died. It's also horrible that it's so difficult for her family to accept that death and I wish and I constantly think that, wouldn't it be great if they could come to terms with this terrible tragic event and I wouldn't have to stand in front of you time after time," said Douglas Straus, an attorney for the hospital, before choking up outside court.
Dolan called the agreement a "victory," but the family still needs to find a doctor to insert the breathing and feeding tubes.
"Until this agreement was just made, everything was in flux. This just removes all those impediments," he told a throng of media outside court. He said "there are doctors who are willing to do the procedure" but would not name them.
He said that getting Jahi nutrition quickly was key because she has not had any for "24 days."
The girl has been on a ventilator since she was declared brain-dead after serious complications resulting from tonsil surgery and two other procedures to remove throat and nasal tissue to treat sleep apnea on Dec. 9.
Jahi's family has been fighting for a court to order the hospital to insert feeding and breathing tubes so the girl's body could be transferred to a care facility, possibly in New York. That facility was linked to Terri Schiavo, a Florida woman who was in a permanent vegetative state before she was removed from life support, sparking a fierce nationwide end-of-life debate. The family has been trying to find an outside doctor willing to perform the procedures, as Children's Hospital Oakland says it will not operate on a "dead body."
"This is a tragic situation and I'm glad the court understands there is no legal, moral or medical duty to perform a surgical procedure on a dead person," Straus said. "There were never any impediments to the transfer of Jahi's body."
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Alameda County Sheriff's Office spokesman J.D. Nelson said a death certificate has been issued for Jahi, but is being held pending an autopsy.
This is moving from the tragic to the macabre.
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The girl has been on a ventilator since she was declared brain-dead after serious complications resulting from tonsil surgery and two other procedures to remove throat and nasal tissue to treat sleep apnea on Dec. 9.
So this was much more than a tonsillectomy.
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Alameda County Sheriff's Office spokesman J.D. Nelson said a death certificate has been issued for Jahi, but is being held pending an autopsy.
This is moving from the tragic to the macabre.
Agreed. This is getting beyond sick.
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Sounds a little like the doctors wanted to bury their mistakes.
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Praying for this family. They have been so busy with their legal fight they haven't had time to process what happened to their daughter. Maybe once they have some time to just think about what has happened they will realize they need to let her go. I do believe this legal fight has kept them from having to really deal with it all and most parents would have this tendency to delay making a decision with their heads instead they would think with their heart. I understand because it took me a year just to come to grips with losing a child. No I did not get over it I just came to accept it happened. This hospital did nothing with compassion they acted in a cold hearted way and the parents reacted to this treatment and I think a lot of the parent actions is the hospital staffs fault. A lot of you here seem to lack understanding and compassion for parents going through the hardest time of their life.
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I am very sorry for the loss of your child, but with all due respect, you don't know the whole story on what the hospital did or did not do and why- or with how much or how little compassion- any more than the rest of us do. This girl was declared brain dead and the family notified on December 12th- nearly 3 weeks ago.
I am sure everyone here can imagine that what the parents are going through is agony, but that doesn't negate what's been under discussion here.
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The girl has been on a ventilator since she was declared brain-dead after serious complications resulting from tonsil surgery and two other procedures to remove throat and nasal tissue to treat sleep apnea on Dec. 9.
So this was much more than a tonsillectomy.
What is sleep apnea? I know this girl is dead but I ask ...she hasn't had food for 24 days? then I am thinking no water either. What is happening to her organs?
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So Lipstick on a hilliary you have dealt with a child dying? You know how it feels or understand the process parents go through? I have heard what the grandmother (a nurse) and parents have said how the hospital staff treated them. The hospital has acted pretty bad to me at least from what the media reports they have done so far. The parents will eventually come to the right decision i just think if the hospital had more compassion things would have gone differently from the first. I was told by a nurse at the hospital when my child died that I had two more still at home and shouldn't be so upset. She was fired I didn't turn her in the person near me who heard it did she couldn't believe a nurse in a hospital could be so callous. I am going on what is being reported no I wasn't there but there is always some truth in what is being reported in these instances.
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What is sleep apnea? I know this girl is dead but I ask ...she hasn't had food for 24 days? then I am thinking no water either. What is happening to her organs?
Probably this is done by IV.
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Probably this is done by IV.
I forgot about IVs thanks
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So Lipstick on a hilliary you have dealt with a child dying? You know how it feels or understand the process parents go through? I have heard what the grandmother (a nurse) and parents have said how the hospital staff treated them. The hospital has acted pretty bad to me at least from what the media reports they have done so far. The parents will eventually come to the right decision i just think if the hospital had more compassion things would have gone differently from the first. I was told by a nurse at the hospital when my child died that I had two more still at home and shouldn't be so upset. She was fired I didn't turn her in the person near me who heard it did she couldn't believe a nurse in a hospital could be so callous. I am going on what is being reported no I wasn't there but there is always some truth in what is being reported in these instances.
So, now we're going to the "legitimacy of opinion" based upon "X". So only people who have lost a child can possibly understand what it feels like, so are the only ones eligible to comment? No, I haven't lost a child. I haven't experienced a lot of things that I hope I never have to experience. I have experienced a few things that I would never wish upon my worst enemy but I would never deny them the right to comment on.
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Lipstick walked into a trap when she suggested that not until he walked in that family's shoes would his opinion be accepted.
And the manner in which GD sprung it on us.....none of us had any idea. Good Lord, I can only imagine as a father what that felt like.
.....but Lip and ONC are right, it shouldn't shame us from further debate.
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What is sleep apnea? I know this girl is dead but I ask ...she hasn't had food for 24 days? then I am thinking no water either. What is happening to her organs?
I suffer from sleep apnea.
It is a sleeping disorder where your wind passages collapse and do not allow enough oxygen to enter into your system as you sleep.
From the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute:
Sleep apnea (AP-ne-ah) is a common disorder in which you have one or more pauses in breathing or shallow breaths while you sleep.
Breathing pauses can last from a few seconds to minutes. They may occur 30 times or more an hour. Typically, normal breathing then starts again, sometimes with a loud snort or choking sound.
Sleep apnea usually is a chronic (ongoing) condition that disrupts your sleep. When your breathing pauses or becomes shallow, you’ll often move out of deep sleep and into light sleep.
As a result, the quality of your sleep is poor, which makes you tired during the day. Sleep apnea is a leading cause of excessive daytime sleepiness.
Sleep apnea often goes undiagnosed. Doctors usually can't detect the condition during routine office visits. Also, no blood test can help diagnose the condition.
Most people who have sleep apnea don't know they have it because it only occurs during sleep. A family member or bed partner might be the first to notice signs of sleep apnea.
The most common type of sleep apnea is obstructive sleep apnea. In this condition, the airway collapses or becomes blocked during sleep. This causes shallow breathing or breathing pauses.
When you try to breathe, any air that squeezes past the blockage can cause loud snoring. Obstructive sleep apnea is more common in people who are overweight, but it can affect anyone. For example, small children who have enlarged tonsil tissues in their throats may have obstructive sleep apnea.
Central sleep apnea is a less common type of sleep apnea. This disorder occurs if the area of your brain that controls your breathing doesn't send the correct signals to your breathing muscles. As a result, you'll make no effort to breathe for brief periods.
Central sleep apnea can affect anyone. However, it's more common in people who have certain medical conditions or use certain medicines.
Central sleep apnea can occur with obstructive sleep apnea or alone. Snoring typically doesn't happen with central sleep apnea.
This article mainly focuses on obstructive sleep apnea.
Outlook
Untreated sleep apnea can:
Increase the risk of high blood pressure, heart attack, stroke, obesity, and diabetesexternal link icon
Increase the risk of, or worsen, heart failure
Make arrhythmias (ah-RITH-me-ahs), or irregular heartbeats, more likely
Increase the chance of having work-related or driving accidents
Sleep apnea is a chronic condition that requires long-term management. Lifestyle changes, mouthpieces, surgery, and breathing devices can successfully treat sleep apnea in many people.
I had the very surgery that this little girl had.
Sad.
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So, now we're going to the "legitimacy of opinion" based upon "X". So only people who have lost a child can possibly understand what it feels like, so are the only ones eligible to comment? No, I haven't lost a child. I haven't experienced a lot of things that I hope I never have to experience. I have experienced a few things that I would never wish upon my worst enemy but I would never deny them the right to comment on.
Then again, not many of us have walked on the shoes of doctors, surgeons and nurses who have to deliver news like these to grieving families. At least I haven't.
I often wonder how they keep their sanity. They certainly must build up some rather impenetrable walls.
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I had the very surgery that this little girl had.
Sad.
She was young....but she wasn't "little".
Is it possible that the girl's weight had anything to do with the botched surgery and/or recovery?
And wouldn't her weight be a reason she's not already 'dead' dead. Did I just type that? :shrug:
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I suffer from sleep apnea.
It is a sleeping disorder where your wind passages collapse and do not allow enough oxygen to enter into your system as you sleep.
From the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute:
I had the very surgery that this little girl had.
Sad.
Thank you so much for that info
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Then again, not many of us have walked on the shoes of doctors, surgeons and nurses who have to deliver news like these to grieving families. At least I haven't.
I often wonder how they keep their sanity. They certainly must build up some rather impenetrable walls.
I didn't even want to split directions like that.
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As someone who has made this decision... it's about the patient... not the survivors. You do the right thing and let them go. Keeping a body breathing on machines when the brain has ceased to function is inhumane and selfish.
I'm with you on this one. It's one of the hardest decisions to make, but still needs to be made. No matter how painful it may be.
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She was young....but she wasn't "little".
Is it possible that the girl's weight had anything to do with the botched surgery and/or recovery?
And wouldn't her weight be a reason she's not already 'dead' dead. Did I just type that? :shrug:
I wasn't going there.
Her weight was quite possibly the cause of the apnea.
Weight may matter in surgery because it increases the strain on the heart.
A guess, not a medical opinion.
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She was young....but she wasn't "little".
Is it possible that the girl's weight had anything to do with the botched surgery and/or recovery?
And wouldn't her weight be a reason she's not already 'dead' dead. Did I just type that? :shrug:
Obesity is a cause of sleep apnea. A lot of patients opt for CPAP... but it makes sleeping uncomfortable.
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I want to thank all you guys for a great sensible thread..I was worried/feared that this topic may go the same route the Terri Schiavo thread did at FR years ago...wow was that a battleground if you all recall...
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I want to thank all you guys for a great sensible thread..I was worried/feared that this topic may go the same route the Terri Schiavo thread did at FR years ago...wow was that a battleground if you all recall...
IIRC, most of all had the same POV on Schiavo back on TOS.
Pragmatic and sensible. :laugh:
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IIRC, most of all had the same POV on Schiavo back on TOS.
Pragmatic and sensible. :laugh:
Yeah, that's what got my second screenname booted from FR.
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I want to thank all you guys for a great sensible thread..I was worried/feared that this topic may go the same route the Terri Schiavo thread did at FR years ago...wow was that a battleground if you all recall...
The topic was what killed my primary identity at FR.
It took them a while to find the others.
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I want to thank all you guys for a great sensible thread..I was worried/feared that this topic may go the same route the Terri Schiavo thread did at FR years ago...wow was that a battleground if you all recall...
We're all old enough to feel and show compassion for a sad situation, but also old enough and experienced enough to neither fear death or put "life" on a pedestal.
Then again, not many of us have walked on the shoes of doctors, surgeons and nurses who have to deliver news like these to grieving families. At least I haven't.
I often wonder how they keep their sanity. They certainly must build up some rather impenetrable walls.
I have not. Some of my relatives have - doctors, nurses, midwives, cops. The walls can get pretty thick at times. Re-reading the hospital response in that light, it's not that the staff don't care. They dare not care.
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I have not. Some of my relatives have - doctors, nurses, midwives, cops. The walls can get pretty thick at times. Re-reading the hospital response in that light, it's not that the staff don't care. They dare not care.
Exactly!