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General Category => Elections 2020 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on February 23, 2020, 03:17:51 pm
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Sarah Sanders warns Trump backers about Bernie's momentum: 'We can take nothing for granted'
By Victor Garcia | Fox News
Former White House press secretary Sarah Sanders warned supporters of President Trump on Saturday night not to underestimate Sen. Bernie Sanders following his projected victory in the Nevada Democratic caucuses.
"I think [Bernie Sanders] is looking like the presumptive Democrat nominee at this point. He's certainly moving in that direction," Sanders said on "Justice with Judge Jeanine." "And I think Republicans have to be extremely careful. We can take nothing for granted at this point. The stakes have literally never been higher."
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I just have one question: How is this happening...why are so many Americans voting in the primaries for Bernie in the first place?
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@mystery-ak
Because half of Democrats feel emboldened enough to let loose their totalitarian leanings and the other half are drooling morons who want free stuff
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@mystery-ak
Because half of Democrats feel emboldened enough to let loose their totalitarian leanings and the other half are drooling morons who want free stuff
It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
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I had a discussion with a Bernie backer who claimed Sanders never praised Ortega’s food lines as a sign of success
I think a lot of his backers do not know how insidious his Marxism really is.
But Sanders is right. You fight like your 20 points behind
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It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
Sanders could have defeated Clinton in 2016 - there's nothing new here except the fragmentation of his opposition. Do you think there's a dem who doesn't think single-payer health care would be an improvement? The disagreement isn't over socialism, it's over whether they can get there without disguising their motives.
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mystery wonders:
"I just have one question: How is this happening...why are so many Americans voting in the primaries for Bernie in the first place?"
See:
Antonio Gramsci (the "long march" through the institutions of learning, now nearing its victory)
The Frankfurt School
Herbert Marcuse and "critical theory"...
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Will it come down to this ???
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It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
Most people do not understand that "share the wealth" programs ALWAYS become "share the poverty" realities.
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Most people do not understand that "share the wealth" programs ALWAYS become "share the poverty" realities.
And for starters we should be doing a lot more to spell out the reality that Medicare-for-all is really Medicaid-for-all - then let's see how it polls.
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I just have one question: How is this happening...why are so many Americans voting in the primaries for Bernie in the first place?
Word for word, exactly what my wife asked last night. I told her "All they see is the free cheese, they don't see the trap it is resting in." @mystery-ak
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the Tennessee open primary to vote for a Democrat. I'm intending to vote Sanders. Y'all talk me out of it.
edit: I do see a upside to helping deny Bernie to amp up the outrage, so Butti is a strong possibility
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the Tennessee open primary to vote for a Democrat. I'm intending to vote Sanders. Y'all talk me out of it.
edit: I do see a upside to helping deny Bernie to amp up the outrage, so Butti is a strong possibility
Operation Chaos 2.0
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Operation Chaos 2.0
I am not a regular listener. Has Rush launched that officially?
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I am not a regular listener. Has Rush launched that officially?
I do not know.
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It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
Don’t let the media rattle you when they report comrade Sanders is getting huge rally crowds and blew out his competitors in Nevada.
The number of supporters who voted for Sanders in Nevada, or who attend rallies for the commie bastard, was tiny compared with Trump, about the size of the numbers of people waiting in line for the bathroom at a typical Trump Rally.
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Yes, folks, Bernie Sanders can win. If you want to know why, then just consider how and why Trump won. Sanders is to the Dems as Trump is to the GOP - a populist outsider who thrills and motivates his supporters by scratching the itch of their perceived oppression.
If Trump insists on making this election a referendum on himself rather than on the economy (and you know damn well he and the media will), Sanders can win. That is why it is doggone foolish to assume that Bernie is Trump's best possible opponent. The progs know that Bernie can win, because they know that Trump is uniquely vulnerable. And the risk if he were to win is existential.
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the Tennessee open primary to vote for a Democrat. I'm intending to vote Sanders. Y'all talk me out of it.
That would be a monumentally stupid thing to do.
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If Trump insists on making this election a referendum on himself rather than on the economy
Relax @Jazzhead The economy is the number one issue in the reelection campaign ... which is why the democrats will do anything to crash it.
The referendum the President is campaigning on is socialism or freedom.
You should know this.
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It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
It's public education's chickens coming home to roost @mystery-ak The younger generation has no idea what makes this country an economic powerhouse and what happens when this ends.
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Yes, folks, Bernie Sanders can win. If you want to know why, then just consider how and why Trump won. Sanders is to the Dems as Trump is to the GOP - a populist outsider who thrills and motivates his supporters by scratching the itch of their perceived oppression.
If Trump insists on making this election a referendum on himself rather than on the economy (and you know damn well he and the media will), Sanders can win. That is why it is doggone foolish to assume that Bernie is Trump's best possible opponent. The progs know that Bernie can win, because they know that Trump is uniquely vulnerable. And the risk if he were to win is existential.
I agree with most of this -- Bernie certainly can win.
The only part with which I'd take some issue is comparing Bernie to Trump. I do see the similarities you are talking about, but I also see a core difference. I'm convinced that Trump won both the nomination and the election because of one issue -- immigration. Both the Democrat party as a whole and the GOP establishment had been massively out of step with the electorate on that issue for at least a decade. Trump focusing like a laser on that issue and being willing to talk about it in decidedly un-PC terms convinced a lot of people that he was serious about it. Most of the other candidates considered it gauche to be anti-immigrant (or even just anti-illegal) and so he pretty much had that entire lane to himself.
I don't see an equivalent issue for Bernie that will enable him to cross party lines/appeal to independents to that same degree.
All that being said, I do agree with your overall point that Bernie being the nominee is hardly a certain winner for Trump.
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I agree with most of this -- Bernie certainly can win.
The only part with which I'd take some issue is comparing Bernie to Trump. I do see the similarities you are talking about, but I also see a core difference. I'm convinced that Trump won both the nomination and the election because of one issue -- immigration. Both the Democrat party as a whole and the GOP establishment had been massively out of step with the electorate on that issue for at least a decade. Trump focusing like a laser on that issue and being willing to talk about it in decidedly un-PC terms convinced a lot of people that he was serious about it. Most of the other candidates considered it gauche to be anti-immigrant (or even just anti-illegal) and so he pretty much had that entire lane to himself.
I don't see an equivalent issue for Bernie that will enable him to cross party lines/appeal to independents to that same degree.
All that being said, I do agree with your overall point that Bernie being the nominee is hardly a certain winner for Trump.
Someone over the weekend tried to claim that if Bernie is the nominee Trump won’t even have to campaign. And that is as furthest from the truth as you can get. Bernie Sanders can be beat very handily because his positions and his viewpoints are outside out of the American main stream but that doesn’t mean you can just sit back and behave anyway you want.
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Someone over the weekend tried to claim that if Bernie is the nominee Trump won’t even have to campaign. And that is as furthest from the truth as you can get. Bernie Sanders can be beat very handily because his positions and his viewpoints are outside out of the American main stream but that doesn’t mean you can just sit back and behave anyway you want.
Bernie might appeal to enough blue-collar Democrats in places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to tip those states back to the Democrats. I think Ohio is probably safe, but we certainly could lose that election.
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Someone over the weekend tried to claim that if Bernie is the nominee Trump won’t even have to campaign. And that is as furthest from the truth as you can get. Bernie Sanders can be beat very handily because his positions and his viewpoints are outside out of the American main stream but that doesn’t mean you can just sit back and behave anyway you want.
With two choices to pick from, there’s a good chance one of them wins. happy77
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With two choices to pick from, there’s a good chance one of them wins. happy77
I think my overall point is is that Trump should fight Sanders is if he’s 20 points behind. It appears that there is now an early attempt to define Bernie Sanders as I’ve seen more of Sanders past statements praising brutal socialist regime’s and even claiming that food lines were actually a good thing. Sanders didn’t help himself over the weekend by giving some praise to the Castro regime at least as far as Florida politics are concerned
I would be safe in going around the country and asking people if they think having people wait in line for rationed food is a good thing the answer would probably be no by a very vast majority
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If Trump .......
Who you be pimpin dis month?
Kasich, Haley, Sanford?
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You should know this.
Yes, I know this. But does the President? So much of this seems to be personal to the President, and the mainstream media will actively seek to downplay the economy and instead treat the election as a referendum on the man and his eccentricities. Current polls show Trump losing to even Sanders. I know you don't trust the polls, and perhaps you're right. But I refuse to be, like you, sanguine about the President's re-election. It is very much in doubt.
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the Tennessee open primary to vote for a Democrat. I'm intending to vote Sanders. Y'all talk me out of it.
edit: I do see a upside to helping deny Bernie to amp up the outrage, so Butti is a strong possibility
Here in Va, I am seriously considering voting for Shrillary. Vergette said she was going to Write in Trump in the Dem primary. To counter the New Hampshire ones that voted for Mini Mike in the Republican one.
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Someone over the weekend tried to claim that if Bernie is the nominee Trump won’t even have to campaign. And that is as furthest from the truth as you can get. Bernie Sanders can be beat very handily because his positions and his viewpoints are outside out of the American main stream but that doesn’t mean you can just sit back and behave anyway you want.
WRONG, there is a certain percentage of our population that want the "Free Cheese" and unless Trump drives home that there is no such thing we could see President Sanders.
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the Tennessee open primary to vote for a Democrat. I'm intending to vote Sanders. Y'all talk me out of it.
edit: I do see a upside to helping deny Bernie to amp up the outrage, so Butti is a strong possibility
So you want to help put on the national ballot the one person even Trump has said would be his toughest opponent knowing there is 47% of the population out there that buy into his class and economic warfare bullsh*t?
That's not a very smart thing to consider doing. Especially since we're already seeing folks on the left starting to pivot to actually defend Bernie and the Marxist crap he's spewing.
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So you want to help put on the national ballot the one person even Trump has said would be his toughest opponent knowing there is 47% of the population out there that buy into his class and economic warfare bullsh*t?
That's not a very smart thing to consider doing. Especially since we're already seeing folks on the left starting to pivot to actually defend Bernie and the Marxist crap he's spewing.
I dunno. My view is that they're all pretty much socialists in the Democratic party - it's only a question of how fast they think it is possible politically. We've been losing incrementally to the left for decades now. So rather than have another socialist masquerade as a moderate to win centrist votes, I'd rather just push in all the chips for the capitalism v. socialism main event. If we lose...well, then we were pretty much doomed to lose anyway. But maybe the only way to stop some of this insanity is to give people a truly clear choice.
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I dunno. My view is that they're all pretty much socialists in the Democratic party - it's only a question of how fast they think it is possible politically. We've been losing incrementally to the left for decades now. So rather than have another socialist masquerade as a moderate to win centrist votes, I'd rather just push in all the chips for the capitalism v. socialism main event. If we lose...well, then we were pretty much doomed to lose anyway. But maybe the only way to stop some of this insanity is to give people a truly clear choice.
They are to some degree...he's the only one that openly embraces it. And doesn't want to implement it at a slow pace...he wants to shove it down our throats in large chunks the day he's (God forbid) sworn into office. There's no moderation or moderate stances in what he wants to do. There's already been an article on the EO's he'd prepare and sign day one that would take care of a lot of what he's promising now because he can't wait for Congress to get it done. And now he's tapping into the "Justice" Democrats youth movement as well with the Spice Girls out pimping for him while they raise money to oust current Democrats from their hosue and Senate seats and replace them with people that are as radical as Omar AOC and Tlaib.
Putting all the chipe on the table is most likely what we're gonna get this time. But when that happens the GOP and Trump are going to have to run a very precise and well thought out campaign. It can't be a repeat of how Trump ran against Hillary.
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So you want to help put on the national ballot the one person even Trump has said would be his toughest opponent knowing there is 47% of the population out there that buy into his class and economic warfare bullsh*t?
That's not a very smart thing to consider doing. Especially since we're already seeing folks on the left starting to pivot to actually defend Bernie and the Marxist crap he's spewing.
@txradioguy To first point: I do not know that 47% number buy in. It's a number St Mitt threw out there - kinda like Obama's 57 states he was campaigning in.
To second point: All manner of spin and goofy speculation is just a click away. This pivot is not reflected by Carville (whose smarts I respect) who lately sounds in despair at the prospects.
But, thanks...to all. I am sick of crossovers queering OUR primary. Seems to me there ought to be a way to turn it around.
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I dunno. My view is that they're all pretty much socialists in the Democratic party - it's only a question of how fast they think it is possible politically. We've been losing incrementally to the left for decades now. So rather than have another socialist masquerade as a moderate to win centrist votes, I'd rather just push in all the chips for the capitalism v. socialism main event. If we lose...well, then we were pretty much doomed to lose anyway. But maybe the only way to stop some of this insanity is to give people a truly clear choice.
I agree - I'd rather have Sanders win and go for the big prize than any of the so-called moderates who will settle for whatever they can get now and come back for the rest later. Sanders doesn't have enough time left to play that game. Hopefully the resulting economic collapse would sour voters on socialism for another generation. Wipe out a few trillion in wealth and then guess who will be holding the bag to pay for Bernie's agenda.
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I agree - I'd rather have Sanders win and go for the big prize than any of the so-called moderates who will settle for whatever they can get now and come back for the rest later. Sanders doesn't have enough time left to play that game. Hopefully the resulting economic collapse would sour voters on socialism for another generation. Wipe out a few trillion in wealth and then guess who will be holding the bag to pay for Bernie's agenda.
I have no desire to be part of any economic collapse, let alone as a teachable moment. But I think we are going to be facing the ultimate no-middle-ground election.
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@txradioguy To first point: I do not know that 47% number buy in. It's a number St Mitt threw out there - kinda like Obama's 57 states he was campaigning in.
Given what we're seeing these days...the 47% number and his comments about Russia being a threat are turning out to be the most honest thigns he's said as a politician.
To second point: All manner of spin and goofy speculation is just a click away. This pivot is not reflected by Carville (whose smarts I respect) who lately sounds in despair at the prospects.
I hate Carville but he's smart about politics. The problem is there is a movement building in the Democrat Party to push aside people like Carville because they aren't radical enough anymore. It's a movement that views Bill Clinton and Obama as centrists...the younger crowd pushing Bernie and the Squad types along aren't interested in playing by what few rules the Dems have...they want to burn it all down and run over anyone who stands in their way. And they are being well funded to push aside the Pelosi's other long term Dems who they believe are standing in the way of "progress".
Warnings from Carville have unfortunately come too late.
But, thanks...to all. I am sick of crossovers queering OUR primary. Seems to me there ought to be a way to turn it around.
I agree it's not right. But it's something that needs to be changed at the local levels. We're never as good at playing the Dems game as they are.
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Trump has said would be his toughest opponent
My thoughts, that was "throw me into the briar patch" talk.
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My thoughts, that was "throw me into the briar patch" talk.
Same thought crossed my mind.
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My thoughts, that was "throw me into the briar patch" talk.
Maybe. But then again maybe he sees like a lot of us do the indoctrinated voting age socialists that are now of voting age that back him and it was a brief moment of honesty on Trumps part.
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Maybe. But then again maybe he sees like a lot of us do the indoctrinated voting age socialists that are now of voting age that back him and it was a brief moment of honesty on Trumps part.
I believe the only way Trump will lose the coming election, regardless of who the democrats nominate, is the GOP voters take the win for granted. If they are not motivated to show up in the polls, then the real chance of loss happens.
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I believe the only way Trump will lose the coming election, regardless of who the democrats nominate, is the GOP voters take the win for granted. If they are not motivated to show up in the polls, then the real chance of loss happens.
We have seen the results of unmotivated, nonchalant, casual, take it for granted, voters here in Virginia We had 31 % turn out in the last election and have spent the last 3+ months fighting to keep our 2nd amendment rights while a racist baby killer and his lackeys run amuck.To quote the ghost of Marley" Search Results
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I have no desire to be part of any economic collapse, let alone as a teachable moment. But I think we are going to be facing the ultimate no-middle-ground election.
That was 2016. 2012 (Romney) and 2008 (McCain) had middle-ground R candidates; that went well, :sarc: .
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I have no desire to be part of any economic collapse, let alone as a teachable moment. But I think we are going to be facing the ultimate no-middle-ground election.
@Jazzhead
I agree -- I don't think a Randian economic apocalypse will ultimately end up somewhere all that pleasant.
I'm still rooting for Bernie as the nominee, though. Yes, he would be worse on economic issues than would be some of the other Democrats, but on the critical issue of the Supreme Court, they're all going to be choosing from the same pool of activists. I think losing the Supreme Court would be beyond catastrophic at this point, with progressive activist judges essentially rewriting immigration law to give democrats a permanent majority. We'd also likely see reversals of both Citizens United and Heller. The former especially would be a nightmare.
So, I'm in favor of whatever gives us the best chance to keep the Presidency, and I still think that's Bernie.
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I've been giving this some thought and I'm beginning to think that the DNC will end up using Sanders as a Soviet style "useful idiot.
He's saying what the DNC believes. And they will let him (this time) be the front runner knowing he won't win...but what he will do is advance the ball so to speak for the next candidate they put up in 2024. Meaning that the next Dem candidate will be able to talk about the very same things Bernie is right now and people won't be in such shock that Socialism is being so openly engaged because they'll have had it all explained away and rationalized during this campaign and for the next four years.
By the next Presidential election Bernie, AOC etc won't seem radical by then they will appear and be made to appear as moderate and mainstream in the media and by party masterminds. And someone to the left of both of them will either win or come close to winning the election.
And the groundwork will have been laid in this election cycle.
Remember the Dems even when defeated look at things as a win because incrementally their plans and policies and schemes advance even they lose an election or are the minority party in Congress because they believe they run the show no matter what.
Bernie loses but the Dems still win because the socialist views they've had to keep suppressed from the voting public for decades in order to win are now out there for the country to see and next time...they won't have to hid them in order to win.
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I've been giving this some thought and I'm beginning to think that the DNC will end up using Sanders as a Soviet style "useful idiot.
He's saying what the DNC believes. And they will let him (this time) be the front runner knowing he won't win...but what he will do is advance the ball so to speak for the next candidate they put up in 2024. Meaning that the next Dem candidate will be able to talk about the very same things Bernie is right now and people won't be in such shock that Socialism is being so openly engaged because they'll have had it all explained away and rationalized during this campaign and for the next four years.
By the next Presidential election Bernie, AOC etc won't seem radical by then they will appear and be made to appear as moderate and mainstream in the media and by party masterminds. And someone to the left of both of them will either win or come close to winning the election.
And the groundwork will have been laid in this election cycle.
Remember the Dems even when defeated look at things as a win because incrementally their plans and policies and schemes advance even they lose an election or are the minority party in Congress because they believe they run the show no matter what.
Bernie loses but the Dems still win because the socialist views they've had to keep suppressed from the voting public for decades in order to win are now out there for the country to see and next time...they won't have to hid them in order to win.
If that is the case, it'll be an unplanned, fallback strategy. And I still think it would make them very leery of running someone as radical as Bernie in 2024.
Socialist morality has gotten as popular as it has because of the universities, and because of the push from the mainstream media and social media. Not that the mainstream media is openly socialist -- just that they've been using the socialistic argument to support things like student loan forgiveness and single payer health care.
I think Bernie and some of his stupid statements getting clobbered in 2020 would actually hurt their agenda -- kind of like McGovern's loss in 1972 led to a more moderate Jimmy Carter in 1976. They'd be gun shy about having it happen all over again. Also, I think having socialist ideals debated openly, and being openly opposed rather than slithering through unopposed as they do in universities - will make those ideals less popular. Sure, the true radicals will be thrilled that one of their own won the Democratic nomination, but I think a lot of young people for whom socialism is just a romantic idea right now could really do with an open discussion of what it truly means.
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@Jazzhead
I agree -- I don't think a Randian economic apocalypse will ultimately end up somewhere all that pleasant.
I'm still rooting for Bernie as the nominee, though. Yes, he would be worse on economic issues than would be some of the other Democrats, but on the critical issue of the Supreme Court, they're all going to be choosing from the same pool of activists. I think losing the Supreme Court would be beyond catastrophic at this point, with progressive activist judges essentially rewriting immigration law to give democrats a permanent majority. We'd also likely see reversals of both Citizens United and Heller. The former especially would be a nightmare.
So, I'm in favor of whatever gives us the best chance to keep the Presidency, and I still think that's Bernie.
I understand your perspective, @Maj. Bill Martin. Mine is that the fundamental problem with our ability to keep the Presidency is our own nominee. With that as my starting point, the last thing I want to see is Trump becoming the catalyst for Americans electing a socialist. Warren is right - this election represents progressives' best chance. And that's not because Americans have suddenly become attracted to socialist ideas. It's because Trump, in refusing to reach out beyond his base and tone down his reality show, is uniquely vulnerable.
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I understand your perspective, @Maj. Bill Martin. Mine is that the fundamental problem with our ability to keep the Presidency is our own nominee. With that as my starting point, the last thing I want to see is Trump becoming the catalyst for Americans electing a socialist. Warren is right - this election represents progressives' best chance. And that's not because Americans have suddenly become attracted to socialist ideas. It's because Trump, in refusing to reach out beyond his base and tone down his reality show, is uniquely vulnerable.
Warren is right in that this election is the progressives best chance so far. But I disagree in that I think those chances may well become better moving forward. My concern is permanent structural changes that any Democrat would make if elected in 2020. If Democrats succeed in retaking the Presidency and Senate, I think they'll basically fix Obama's biggest "mistake", and address immigration. We'll see a path to citizenship for everyone currently in this country illegally, and that will turn places like Texas permanently Democrat. And not just regular Democrat -- I think the high level of support Sanders gets from Latinos is because so many of them have a cultural history from south of the border that is far more friendly to socialism. So legalization/path to citizenship would mean not only more Democrat voters, but more socialist-leaning Democrat voters. And I honestly don't see any way that doesn't happen unless Trump wins in November.
It would be nice if our nominee didn't alienate so many of those critical suburban female voters, but that isn't going to change with this election. Of course, this is all kind of academic in that who we root for to win the Democratic nomination doesn't affect in the least who will actually win.
@Jazzhead
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If that is the case, it'll be an unplanned, fallback strategy. And I still think it would make them very leery of running someone as radical as Bernie in 2024.
Possibly.
Socialist morality has gotten as popular as it has because of the universities, and because of the push from the mainstream media and social media. Not that the mainstream media is openly socialist -- just that they've been using the socialistic argument to support things like student loan forgiveness and single payer health care.
And see that's why I think it will be easier for them to run on that and call it mainstream in 2024. The excuse as to why it failed will be "because some old white guy was pitching it".
You get a younger POC...a Julian Castro or Kamala Harris type candidate and it will work.
That's also why you see AOC and the Justice Democrats raising money against incumbent Democrats in more and more districts. It's also too IMHO why you see her refusing to pay her fund raising dues to the DNC. The younger more radical types that are buying up Bernie's message but not the messenger per se are trying to distance themselves from the old crusty establishment and present themselves as the progressive alternative that will make stuff happen in DC.
The GOP has to be ready for this in 2024 and not get caught flat footed.
I think Bernie and some of his stupid statements getting clobbered in 2020 would actually hurt their agenda -- kind of like McGovern's loss in 1972 led to a more moderate Jimmy Carter in 1976. They'd be gun shy about having it happen all over again. Also, I think having socialist ideals debated openly, and being openly opposed rather than slithering through unopposed as they do in universities - will make those ideals less popular. Sure, the true radicals will be thrilled that one of their own won the Democratic nomination, but I think a lot of young people for whom socialism is just a romantic idea right now could really do with an open discussion of what it truly means.
Yeah the crap Bernie spewed back in the day is coming back to bite him...to a point. The media at this point is barely giving it notice and when they do the firefighters come out to defend him and the pundits explain it away or justify it. The younger generation wont care what it means...again IMHO...as long as their getting their free stuff.
I hope the socialist ideals are debated openly...not holding out much hope since none of the moderators I've seen so far even know what the concept of a follow up question is when any of the candidates on stage start talking about all their free stuff.
And in the general election you know it's going to be nothing but attack Trump and no real substantive debate about the issues will occur.
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txradio wrote:
"And see that's why I think it will be easier for them to run on that and call it mainstream in 2024. The excuse as to why it failed will be "because some old white guy was pitching it".
You get a younger POC...a Julian Castro or Kamala Harris type candidate and it will work."
And yet once again, I repeat my "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042: ?????
I may have the exact years off by a little.
But... it's coming.
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Warren is right in that this election is the progressives best chance so far. But I disagree in that I think those chances may well become better moving forward. My concern is permanent structural changes that any Democrat would make if elected in 2020. If Democrats succeed in retaking the Presidency and Senate, I think they'll basically fix Obama's biggest "mistake", and address immigration. We'll see a path to citizenship for everyone currently in this country illegally, and that will turn places like Texas permanently Democrat. And not just regular Democrat -- I think the high level of support Sanders gets from Latinos is because so many of them have a cultural history from south of the border that is far more friendly to socialism. So legalization/path to citizenship would mean not only more Democrat voters, but more socialist-leaning Democrat voters. And I honestly don't see any way that doesn't happen unless Trump wins in November.
It would be nice if our nominee didn't alienate so many of those critical suburban female voters, but that isn't going to change with this election. Of course, this is all kind of academic in that who we root for to win the Democratic nomination doesn't affect in the least who will actually win.
@Jazzhead
Oh I dunno, I interact with Democrats in my workaday world a lot more than I do the occasional conservative. I may not vote in the Dem primary, but I get my two cents in.
It is interesting that we perceive a similar threat, but propose very different responses. We both know this is a flawed nominee, and in my circles Trump support is at best underground. I think the progs have been handed a real puncher's chance to elect a truly radical American president, and I'd rather the Dems be responsible and nominate a Bloomberg, Biden or Buttigieg. I can live if I must with the second coming of Obama if I can prevent the first coming of a Hugo Chavez.
You, on the other hand, root for Bernie because his radicalism is the very foil that Trump needs to move the needle decisively in favor of re-election. Be careful what you wish for is all I can say. The economy is teetering on the journey of the coronavirus, and the Dems have moved on from impeachment to the Katrinization of the President. In this kind of environment, don't underestimate the power of an organized plurality to seize power in a national election. Think Germany 1933.
@Maj. Bill Martin
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It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
So true. So many have died (Korea, Vietnam, and elswhere) to fight the Cold War, only to have the enemy win from within.
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WTH? Didn't IMPOTUS just tell Republicans to vote for Bernie? Does he know you don't get to choose your opponent and then complain when he beats you?
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It is just so upsetting, at least for me, that so many would vote for a socialist/commie for President.
I think extremism emboldens the justification of opposition extremism.