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Title: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 27, 2019, 03:45:10 pm
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-citizenship-question-in-2020-census-for-now (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-citizenship-question-in-2020-census-for-now)

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The Supreme Court on Thursday blocked, for now, the Trump administration's plan to include a question on the 2020 census that inquires about a person’s citizenship status.

The court said the administration's explanation for adding such a question is insufficient and sent it back to the lower courts for further consideration. The ruling marks a setback for the administration, though the issue is not yet resolved.

Still, while further lower-court litigation is possible, it would be very difficult for the administration to get the question on the census in time for the forms to be printed by the government’s own self-declared summer deadline.

The 5-4 court majority raised concerns about the Trump administration’s explanations for their proposal. The ruling, authored by Chief Justice John Roberts, said that the court was presented "with an explanation for agency action that is incongruent with what the record reveals about the agency’s priorities and decision making process."

Sounds to me like the Trump administration fed the SCOTUS some BS lie that was so disrespectfully stupid it insulted the intelligence of the Chief Justice.  #ArtoftheDeal

more at link.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Bigun on June 27, 2019, 04:25:11 pm
In a dissenting opinion, Thomas wrote that "For the first time ever, the court invalidates an agency action solely because it questions the sincerity of the agency's otherwise adequate rationale."

"This conclusion is extraordinary,"
he wrote. "The court engages in an unauthorized inquiry into evidence not properly before us to reach an unsupported conclusion."

HE got it exactly right!
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 27, 2019, 04:38:27 pm
We got the bad orange man now!  And all his little GOP pals, too.  I expect the leftist trolls to go on a celebratory bender for the next week.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 27, 2019, 05:04:04 pm
We got the bad orange man now!  And all his little GOP pals, too.  I expect the leftist trolls to go on a celebratory bender for the next week.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,366648.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,366648.0.html)
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The decision raises the question of whether the administration will have enough time or the ability to add the citizenship question before the census begins. The administration previously told the court that the questionnaire needed to be printed by the end of June.

I expect they are celebrating too.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Jazzhead on June 27, 2019, 05:12:59 pm
In a dissenting opinion, Thomas wrote that "For the first time ever, the court invalidates an agency action solely because it questions the sincerity of the agency's otherwise adequate rationale."

"This conclusion is extraordinary,"
he wrote. "The court engages in an unauthorized inquiry into evidence not properly before us to reach an unsupported conclusion."

HE got it exactly right!

I agree.   Either the agency has the authority or it doesn't.   If it does,  shouldn't the propriety of the census question be viewed merely under the "rational basis" standard?     What is the SCOTUS doing rendering its opinion of the Trump administration's "sincerity?"   Clearly,  Roberts has joined the libs to fend off what he fears will be attacks on the Court's impartiality.   And he's done so by confirming the Court's partiality (and cowardice).   
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Bigun on June 27, 2019, 05:20:25 pm
I agree.   Either the agency has the authority or it doesn't.   If it does,  shouldn't the propriety of the census question be viewed merely under the "rational basis" standard?     What is the SCOTUS doing rendering its opinion of the Trump administration's "sincerity?"   Clearly,  Roberts has joined the libs to fend off what he fears will be attacks on the Court's impartiality.   And he's done so by confirming the Court's partiality (and cowardice).   

DAMN! Yesterday I agreed with something @Bill Cipher said and today @Jazzhead agrees with something I (really Justice Thomas) said!

The sky is dark and dreary here. Like a storm is coming and I'm on lightening alert!   :laugh:

Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Jazzhead on June 27, 2019, 05:22:14 pm
DAMN! Yesterday I agreed with something @Bill Cipher said and today @Jazzhead agrees with something I (really Justice Thomas) said!

The sky is dark and dreary here. Like a storm is coming and I'm on lightening alert!   :laugh:

I'm just in a most pleasant and agreeable sort of mood these days.   On Saturday, my daughter is getting married!   
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 27, 2019, 05:27:02 pm
I agree.   Either the agency has the authority or it doesn't.   If it does,  shouldn't the propriety of the census question be viewed merely under the "rational basis" standard?     What is the SCOTUS doing rendering its opinion of the Trump administration's "sincerity?"   Clearly,  Roberts has joined the libs to fend off what he fears will be attacks on the Court's impartiality.   And he's done so by confirming the Court's partiality (and cowardice).   

I think the unspoken purpose of this decision was to ensure the question would not be asked, right or wrong.   There is no way now it can be corrected before the Census forms go to print.  A Safe Harbor was just thrown away.

They could have allowed the question, then later ordered the result to be ignored, but now that will be impossible because the data can't be collected in the first place.

Hey, Congrats on your girl!   happy77  Quads healed up enough for you to walk with her?
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Bigun on June 27, 2019, 05:27:38 pm
I'm just in a most pleasant and agreeable sort of mood these days.   On Saturday, my daughter is getting married!

Congratulations to all concerned!  I would be on pins and needles if it were me.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Wingnut on June 27, 2019, 05:30:25 pm
I'm just in a most pleasant and agreeable sort of mood these days.   On Saturday, my daughter is getting married!

Well, ride the wave...at least till the bill for the reception comes due!

Not that it matters but is the groom a guy?   :whistle: :smokin: :smokin:
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: EdJames on June 27, 2019, 05:35:53 pm
I'm just in a most pleasant and agreeable sort of mood these days.   On Saturday, my daughter is getting married!

Congratulations to all of you! 

 888high58888
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Jazzhead on June 27, 2019, 08:03:48 pm
Thanks, @EdJames , @The Ghost  @Bigun  and @Cyber Liberty !

My daughter's marrying a great guy from a warm and loving family.  As a father,  I couldn't be more fortunate.    CL,  my quads are healed enough for me to walk her down the aisle,  although I've warned her not to expect Fred Astaire for the daddy - daughter dance!   
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 27, 2019, 08:15:12 pm
Thanks, @EdJames , @The Ghost  @Bigun  and @Cyber Liberty !

My daughter's marrying a great guy from a warm and loving family.  As a father,  I couldn't be more fortunate.    CL,  my quads are healed enough for me to walk her down the aisle,  although I've warned her not to expect Fred Astaire for the daddy - daughter dance!

I remember when you told us about it, and I cringed, having dealt with cut ligaments.  I knew healing was going to be a long, long proposition.  My heart is out to you, I've been there.

We've had our differences, but enjoy the wedding!  You've earned it.  This is real life, not an academic discussion about politics and policy.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Wingnut on June 27, 2019, 08:30:21 pm
I remember when you told us about it, and I cringed, having dealt with cut ligaments.  I knew healing was going to be a long, long proposition.  My heart is out to you, I've been there.

We've had our differences, but enjoy the wedding!  You've earned it.  This is real life, not an academic discussion about politics and policy.

What he said. :beer:
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Polly Ticks on June 28, 2019, 01:45:18 am
I'm just in a most pleasant and agreeable sort of mood these days.   On Saturday, my daughter is getting married!

@Jazzhead
Congratulations!  That's wonderful news!
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Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on June 28, 2019, 09:28:55 am
I think the unspoken purpose of this decision was to ensure the question would not be asked, right or wrong.   There is no way now it can be corrected before the Census forms go to print.  A Safe Harbor was just thrown away.

They could have allowed the question, then later ordered the result to be ignored, but now that will be impossible because the data can't be collected in the first place.

Hey, Congrats on your girl!   happy77  Quads healed up enough for you to walk with her?

Or they could just say it's too late already and include it.

Seriously, what is SCOTUS going to do if Census includes a question they don't like?

This could very well go down in the 'don't give an order that won't be obeyed' category.  Hopefully.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Bigun on June 28, 2019, 12:58:01 pm
Or they could just say it's too late already and include it.

Seriously, what is SCOTUS going to do if Census includes a question they don't like?

This could very well go down in the 'don't give an order that won't be obeyed' category.  Hopefully.

This would be my solution I assure you!  No one made these people in black robes Kings and there is no better time to inform them than right now.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: skeeter on June 28, 2019, 01:36:55 pm
I'm just in a most pleasant and agreeable sort of mood these days.   On Saturday, my daughter is getting married!

Congrats. I trust you'll keep it together...
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: sneakypete on June 28, 2019, 02:14:21 pm
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-citizenship-question-in-2020-census-for-now (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-blocks-citizenship-question-in-2020-census-for-now)

Sounds to me like the Trump administration fed the SCOTUS some BS lie that was so disrespectfully stupid it insulted the intelligence of the Chief Justice.  #ArtoftheDeal

more at link.

@Once-Ler

Of course it does. You run everything through your Dim Dogma Device to determine if it is good or bad.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: sneakypete on June 28, 2019, 02:17:44 pm

  Clearly,  Roberts has joined the libs...   

@Jazzhead

Wrong. That is where he has always been. Boy Jorge's handlers had him sit Roberts on the SC in order to be a roadblock if push comes to shove,and those bastards are about as conservative as Chairman Mao was.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 28, 2019, 08:35:11 pm
@Once-Ler

Of course it does. You run everything through your Dim Dogma Device to determine if it is good or bad.

http://www.homebuilt.org/cmdrdata/jokes/06/0253.html (http://www.homebuilt.org/cmdrdata/jokes/06/0253.html)

You don't come here for the politics do you @sneakypete ?
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: sneakypete on June 28, 2019, 11:56:40 pm
http://www.homebuilt.org/cmdrdata/jokes/06/0253.html (http://www.homebuilt.org/cmdrdata/jokes/06/0253.html)

You don't come here for the politics do you @sneakypete ?

@Once-Ler

Yes. I don't come here or anywhere else for Dim Dogma,though.

You don't come here for the politics,though. You come here to try to disrupt the politics.
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 29, 2019, 12:19:23 am
@Once-Ler

Yes. I don't come here or anywhere else for Dim Dogma,though.

You don't come here for the politics,though. You come here to try to disrupt the politics.

"Ya think, DiNozzo?"

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Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on June 29, 2019, 05:32:03 am
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so violent...
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 29, 2019, 01:03:38 pm
so violent...

 22222frying pan
Title: Re: Supreme Court blocks citizenship question in 2020 census for now
Post by: txradioguy on July 08, 2019, 04:51:30 pm
So much for the SCOTUS getting out of redistricting politics.