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Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for new speaker ahead of spending deal vote
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Rachel Schilke
March 22, 2024 10:53 am
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) became one of the first House Republicans on Friday to float the idea of replacing Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) as the chamber prepares to vote on its final set of spending bills for the fiscal year.
“We need a Speaker of the House who will fight to secure America’s border at all cost! Not one that passes a trillion dollar Democrat wish list that continues the border invasion, funds the weaponized government, and breaks our own conference rules,” Greene wrote in a post on X.
“I’m done with this one,” she added.
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1770985620946473416
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/2933709/marjorie-taylor-greene-new-speaker-spending-deal-vote/
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Here we go again.... 9999hair out0000
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Cami Mondeaux
March 22, 2024 11:46 am
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) is set to face his own possible ouster after expediting a bipartisan spending package through the lower chamber on Friday just hours before a scheduled government shutdown.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) filed a motion to vacate against the speaker on Friday, accusing the speaker of failing to do more to secure America’s border and for working with Democrats on a bipartisan spending deal.
“We need a Speaker of the House who will fight to secure America’s border at all cost! Not one that passes a trillion dollar Democrat wish list that continues the border invasion, funds the weaponized government, and breaks our own conference rules,” Greene wrote in a post on X earlier Friday.
“I’m done with this one,” she added.
The threat comes after weeks of frustration from hardline Republicans toward Johnson, which came to a boiling point this week after the speaker finalized a spending agreement for the remaining six appropriations bills in a series of closed-door negotiations without lawmaker input.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/2933865/speaker-johnnson-motion-to-vacate-mtg/
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Here we go again.... 9999hair out0000
By
Cami Mondeaux
March 22, 2024 11:46 am
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) is set to face his own possible ouster after expediting a bipartisan spending package through the lower chamber on Friday just hours before a scheduled government shutdown.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) filed a motion to vacate against the speaker on Friday, accusing the speaker of failing to do more to secure America’s border and for working with Democrats on a bipartisan spending deal.
“We need a Speaker of the House who will fight to secure America’s border at all cost! Not one that passes a trillion dollar Democrat wish list that continues the border invasion, funds the weaponized government, and breaks our own conference rules,” Greene wrote in a post on X earlier Friday.
“I’m done with this one,” she added.
The threat comes after weeks of frustration from hardline Republicans toward Johnson, which came to a boiling point this week after the speaker finalized a spending agreement for the remaining six appropriations bills in a series of closed-door negotiations without lawmaker input.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/2933865/speaker-johnnson-motion-to-vacate-mtg/
I agree with her. These idiots playing 'Speaker' have FAILED. Get someone in there with some backbone. Unfortunately, the majority in the House has dwindled so there isn't any leverage left.
Why should the people continue to vote for any Republican? They offer nothing for conservatism, nor really for this Republic.
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Not this s**t again. The Dems are going to love this.
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GOP needs to change its mascot from an elephant to a groundhog.
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And then the idiot went and did it...
Rep. MTG Files Motion To Remove Mike Johnson As Speaker Of The House
https://dailycaller.com/2024/03/22/marjorie-taylor-greene-mike-johnson-motion-vacate-chair/
Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene filed a motion Friday morning for Speaker of the House Mike Johnson to vacate the chair.
Greene called on Johnson to not bring the $1.2 trillion spending bill to the floor for a vote, calling it “a Chuck Schumer, Democrat-controlled bill coming from the ‘Republican-controlled’ House.” She would have to be recognized to try to vacate the speakership, and the House would have to take action within two legislative days. Having not noticed the privilege, the motion cannot be considered until after the recess.
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House is running out of enough Republicans to hold the majority.
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We will end up with Speaker Jeffries... :smokin:
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Not this s**t again. The Dems are going to love this.
Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
There's a new motion to vacate the Speaker of the House. And this is how Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker because the GOP can't get its act together and turns DC and Puerto Rico into new states and the Democrats will remain in power forever.
Maybe they should've kept George Santos before doing all of this.
12:51 PM · Mar 22, 2024
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Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
There's a new motion to vacate the Speaker of the House. And this is how Hakeem Jeffries becomes Speaker because the GOP can't get its act together and turns DC and Puerto Rico into new states and the Democrats will remain in power forever.
Maybe they should've kept George Santos before doing all of this.
12:51 PM · Mar 22, 2024
DC can't become a state with a Constitutional Amendment. Puerto Rico however, can become a state. Also, a better idea is to nominate candidates who are not bats**t crazy.
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Peoples House? More like an outhouse.
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I'm so down on this whole election that sheer entertainment value is now my priority. So screw it - let this crazy bitch take the House GOP right over that cliff to a fiery death because...why not? Let's have Trumper nihilism run amok, and see where it takes us!
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Hate to say it MTG, you can make bets and threats but you ain't got the cards.
I'm less than impressed with this guy, but with a razor thin majority and without an endgame I think she's in the land of wishful thinking to pull this off a second time and avoid a Jefferies speakership.
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I'm so down on this whole election that sheer entertainment value is now my priority. So screw it - let this crazy bitch take the House GOP right over that cliff to a fiery death because...why not? Let's have Trumper nihilism run amok, and see where it takes us!
I definitely don't see any entertainment value. None. I understand the frustration, but if we don't have a Speaker who is willing to stick up for conservatism priorities such as getting $$ to secure the border which is critical, then what good is he???? Caving to the DEMS and allowing them to keep prevailing is not the answer -- BTW, this has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.
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I agree with her. These idiots playing 'Speaker' have FAILED. Get someone in there with some backbone. Unfortunately, the majority in the House has dwindled so there isn't any leverage left.
Why should the people continue to vote for any Republican? They offer nothing for conservatism, nor really for this Republic.
A handful of hardline conservatives trying to impose their will on the entire government is asinine. It's like a two year old throwing a tantrum because she can't have jelly beans for dinner.
Conservatives have to be part of a coalition to win, and the rules for coalitions have always been that the majority of the coalition drives the bus. The unwillingness of certain House conservatives to accept that basic political reality proves their unfitness to govern.
I'll take a RINO before I take a conservative who is a moron.
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Hate to say it MTG, you can make bets and threats but you ain't got the cards.
I'm less than impressed with this guy, but with a razor thin majority and without an endgame I think she's in the land of wishful thinking to pull this off a second time and avoid a Jefferies speakership.
Ok ... but what's the end game though here??? Allowing the DEMS to keep rolling the GOP over and getting what they want because of fearing a Jefferies speakership? IF the GOP can't get anything done, then what's the difference? The DEMS get what they want with or without Jefferies.
If we had several Marjorie Taylor Greene's, and Ted Cruz's who have some darn backbone, we wouldn't be in this situation. No, instead the GOP holds their tails between their legs and continue to cave, time and time again and again!
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A handful of hardline conservatives trying to impose their will on the entire government is asinine. It's like a two year old throwing a tantrum because she can't have jelly beans for dinner.
Conservatives have to be part of a coalition to win, and the rules for coalitions have always been that the majority of the coalition drives the bus. The unwillingness of certain House conservatives to accept that basic political reality proves their unfitness to govern.
I'll take a RINO before I take a conservative who is a moron.
What is happening is the DEMS are prevailing and the GOP/conservatives are walking away once again with nothing.
Securing the border is paramount to saving not only the GOP but this Republic. That is what we are up against and the few that are trying to hold the line are far from morons.
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I agree with her. These idiots playing 'Speaker' have FAILED. Get someone in there with some backbone. Unfortunately, the majority in the House has dwindled so there isn't any leverage left.
Why should the people continue to vote for any Republican? They offer nothing for conservatism, nor really for this Republic.
I will stand with you. However, by the same token, It could be that frayed nerves have fostered a lack of reason. Assuming a speaker can hit the ground running, turn a behemoth government on-it's-heel and in three months set it in a proper orbit, might just be more than any mere man can do.
In these few months it can hardly be assumed he has even 'settled in', and it takes time to rejigger things. Agreements must be made by bar napkin... Then by eyeball... then by handshake... before they ever get near the scribes. There's a butt-ton to get into different lines than what was.
Askin a bit much.
The emphasis has to be on reduction. And that must take an horrible, seething priority. But good faith has to have time to be restored. And that with little leverage. So figuring the guy has a battle axe and must swing it is, I think, too much.
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I definitely don't see any entertainment value.
Oh, there's tons! Given how the GOP margin has shrunk, it'd take just 2-3 more Republicans to join her to vacate the chair. At that point, I'd fully expect a couple of RINOs who are sick of the circus to elect Jeffries. And they should.
At that point, you'd see hysterical fingerprinting and panic from Republicans, and open civil war within the GOP. And tremendous gloating and laughing from the Democrats.
To me, that would be entertaining as hell, and we'd deserve it.
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A handful of hardline conservatives trying to impose their will on the entire government is asinine. It's like a two year old throwing a tantrum because she can't have jelly beans for dinner.
Conservatives have to be part of a coalition to win, and the rules for coalitions have always been that the majority of the coalition drives the bus. The unwillingness of certain House conservatives to accept that basic political reality proves their unfitness to govern.
I'll take a RINO before I take a conservative who is a moron.
Right - But it does Conservatives no good to be so complacent as to make no way. I think you're right. They take it too far. But they have to try to move the needle too. And I applaud that standing.
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What is happening is the DEMS are prevailing and the GOP/conservatives are walking away once again with nothing.
Securing the border is paramount to saving not only the GOP but this Republic. That is what we are up against and the few that are trying to hold the line are far from morons.
To me, it's the equivalent of righteously demanding an immediate invasion of Japan in January 1942, and sending every scrap of the Army, Navy, and Marines, across the Pacific to land on Honshu and attack Tokyo.
And if you don't support that, you'd be a coward, and definitely not a patriot.
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Speaker Mike Johnson Violates Hastert Rule in Passing $1.2 Trillion Government Funding Plan
Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) passed a massive $1.2 trillion government funding plan despite the objections of the majority of House Republicans, violating the Hastert Rule and crossing the Rubicon into dangerous territory for the future of his speakership.
Bradley Jaye22 Mar 2024, 10:29 AM PDT
House Republicans enacted the longstanding rule to prohibit Republican Speakers from colluding with Democrats to pass legislation. But Johnson sent the bill to the Senate despite the objections of 112 Republican colleagues, with only 101 Republican votes in favor, although Johnson and his leadership team applied significant pressure.
Johnson also broke a House rule intended to give lawmakers time to review legislation before a vote. The 1,000-plus page spending bill was presented to members before 3:00 a.m. Eastern on Thursday morning, less than 36 hours before the vote.
The bill now goes to the Senate, which is working to clear hurdles and enable the bill to pass as soon as today. A partial government shutdown would technically begin Saturday morning after midnight, although no significant effects would be felt until Monday.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/03/22/speaker-mike-johnson-violates-hastert-rule-passing-1-2-trillion-government-funding-plan/
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Ok ... but what's the end game though here??? Allowing the DEMS to keep rolling the GOP over and getting what they want because of fearing a Jefferies speakership? IF the GOP can't get anything done, then what's the difference? The DEMS get what they want with or without Jefferies.
If we had several Marjorie Taylor Greene's, and Ted Cruz's who have some darn backbone, we wouldn't be in this situation. No, instead the GOP holds their tails between their legs and continue to cave, time and time again and again!
Until officials at the national level have the spine to do something, we are backed into a corner. Nobody seems to want to stand up and do the right thing except for a very small minority.
Don't really know what can be done from here. I don't think there's a majority of votes to elect a another GOP speaker even if someone steps up..
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and open civil war within the GOP.
Perhaps that's what's needed.
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Right - But it does Conservatives no good to be so complacent as to make no way. I think you're right. They take it too far. But they have to try to move the needle too. And I applaud that standing.
I don't applaud stupid moves even if the motive and intent is pure. Idiocy kills you just as quickly as bad intentions.
If you want a more conservative House GOP, elect more conservatives. . But acting as if you have a majority that you don't, and engaging in actions that are sure not only to fail, but to make you even worse off what you were before, is a sure way to discredit conservatives, and elect fewer.
I am so sick of these morons that I'm not even going to vote for the Moreno, the MAGA senatorial nominee in Ohio. My tolerance for stupid people is at an end.
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Right - But it does Conservatives no good to be so complacent as to make no way. I think you're right. They take it too far. But they have to try to move the needle too. And I applaud that standing.
If Conservatives don't move that needle to get border security the GOP will lose their party and we lose our country. That's not a theory, it's fast becoming a fact. Those in office can either fight for conservatism or keep letting liberalism work. Gee, fighting for conservatism; what a concept. They may lose this fight but it is a fight worth fighting.
Liberalism hasn't worked in the past, sure as heck isn't working now and will collapse this country sooner rather than later.
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I don't applaud stupid moves even if the motive and intent is pure. Idiocy kills you just as quickly as bad intentions.
If you want a more conservative House GOP, elect more conservatives. . But acting as if you have a majority that you don't, and engaging in actions that are sure not only to fail, but to make you even worse off what you were before, is a sure way to discredit conservatives, and elect fewer.
I am so sick of these morons that I'm not even going to vote for the Moreno, the MAGA senatorial nominee in Ohio. My tolerance for stupid people is at an end.
Oh I don't know... It sounds to me like they are building majority. He went against the majority of his party to bull this damn thing through. At what price? Now, I am not so knee-jerk as to be automatically pissed at that. I know how sausage is made. But one thing is sure - If they cannot come to terms in an election year, of all times, then the party may as well be defunct. It is without a pair of cajones in the entire conference, and may as well bend over for the Democrats.
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Perhaps that's what's needed.
No, what is needed is very simple: elect more conservatives.The freedom caucus needs to grow the f*** up. Jim Jordan, their preferred candidate, got to run for the Speakership. Twice. And he lost. Twice. MKG and others believing they are entitled to force the guy who did win the speaker ship to act as if he was Jim Jordan is juvenile. It's not how coalitions work, and other House Republicans are going to remember this in the future when it comes to trying to work with those conservatives.
What makes this so infuriating is that it isn't going to make a difference anyway. Regardless of whether or not they managed to remove Johnson as Speaker, that bill is going to pass. Nor are more conservative votes going to flutter down into Congress for the remainder of this session to force legislation for the rest of the year to the right. It isn't going to happen. So what we have is a purely symbolic battle, doomed to defeat right from the start, that does nothing but discredit Republicans, and especially conservatives by extension. It's a horrifically stupid own goal.
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If Conservatives don't move that needle to get border security the GOP will lose their party and we lose our country. That's not a theory, it's fast becoming a fact. Those in office can either fight for conservatism or keep letting liberalism work. Gee, fighting for conservatism; what a concept. They may lose this fight but it is a fight worth fighting.
Liberalism hasn't worked in the past, sure as heck isn't working now and will collapse this country sooner rather than later.
Yes to all of that, but with less emphasis. One has to allow time to bear fruit, even when there seems to be no time. It takes time. being so recalcitrant as to accept no quarter is a posture ill suited to any agreement. Skin in the game, for sure. Move the needle for sure. But it's a fine line to walk and still keep a voting coalition. 'My way or the highway' and that 'right damn now' might be a wee bit too strong.
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But one thing is sure - If they cannot come to terms in an election year, of all times, then the party may as well be defunct. It is without a pair of cajones in the entire conference, and may as well bend over for the Democrats.
First, it isn't a question of cajones. The issue is repeatedly and erroneously cast as"Republicans" not being tough enough. That isn't the problem at all. The problem is that you have a sufficient minority of Republicans in Congress who are not conservatives. If anything, those moderates have too much cojones, and refuse just to go along meekly with bullying by a conservative minorityy. The GOP is a coalition - it is not a singular group of like-minded individuals.
Now, if conservatives decide that they no longer want to be part of a coalition, then they might as well break away and form their own party. Of course, if there aren't enough conservatives to elect a majority within the Republican party, then there is zero chance that there are enough conservatives to outvote the Democrats all by themselves.
Second, the content of that coalition changes with each election, and just because this particular election did not result in enough conservatives getting elected is no reason to stamp our feet, throw a tantrum, and whine that it can never happen. It just didn't happen this past election.
And third, the fact that this is an election year with the opportunity to change the composition of Congress so that it is more in our favor is an argument against this kind of stunt. The Democrats are handing us election issues by the bushel, and our response is stunts that accomplish nothing other than to demonstrate Republicans can't govern.
Honestly, I'm starting to see a lot of merit in the Democrats' claim that we are the party of the stupid people.
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No, what is needed is very simple: elect more conservatives.The freedom caucus needs to grow the f*** up. Jim Jordan, their preferred candidate, got to run for the Speakership. Twice. And he lost. Twice. MKG and others believing they are entitled to force the guy who did win the speaker ship to act as if he was Jim Jordan is juvenile. It's not how coalitions work, and other House Republicans are going to remember this in the future when it comes to trying to work with those conservatives.
What makes this so infuriating is that it isn't going to make a difference anyway. Regardless of whether or not they managed to remove Johnson as Speaker, that bill is going to pass. Nor are more conservative votes going to flutter down into Congress for the remainder of this session to force legislation for the rest of the year to the right. It isn't going to happen. So what we have is a purely symbolic battle, doomed to defeat right from the start, that does nothing but discredit Republicans, and especially conservatives by extension. It's a horrifically stupid own goal.
Hold on. 112 stood with THEM. 102 stood with the speaker. Within the conference, he lost. That's fair leverage. But according to you the 112 should cave to the 102. WTF, man?
Now, I get that it ain't A LOT of leverage... But you don't lay down either.
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Hold on. 112 stood with THEM. 102 stood with the speaker. Within the conference, he lost. That's fair leverage. But according to you the 112 should cave to the 102. WTF, man?
Now, I get that it ain't A LOT of leverage... But you don't lay down either.
No, the 112 don't have to cave to the 102. They are perfectly free to vote against the bill.
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I'm just going to add one thing, and then I'll leave the thread before I get even more obnoxious than I already am.
FWIW, I don't think Johnson likes this bill either. But what he's thinking about is the fact that this election was trending in our direction on a bunch of issues, and he doesn't want to hand the Democrats an easy and effective campaign issue by handing them a shutdown that is sure to fail anyway.
There is zero chance - zero - that the Democrats would be unable to get a handful of RINO's to cross the aisle to avoid that shutdown. The Senate GOP caving guaranteed that. So, the Democrat victory in getting that bill passed is assured. The only question is whether that bill will pass after a pointless 30-day shutdown while the discharge petition chugs through, or whether it passes now.
Johnson has decided that there is no political gain for Republicans in shutting down the government for 30 days only to end up exactly in the same place they'd be anyway. And not only does he believe there's no gain, but he believes that handing the Democrats that kind of issue will damage the Republican chances of holding on to the House in November..
I don't believe in fighting battles you can't win if they put you in an even worse place than you were before, and neither does Johnson. It might have been a completely different story if the Senate Republicans had managed to stop this thing, but they didn't. And enough of them supported it to give the Democratic claims of bipartisanship some merit.
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First, it isn't a question of cajones. The issue is repeatedly and erroneously cast as"Republicans" not being tough enough. That isn't the problem at all. The problem is that you have a sufficient minority of Republicans in Congress who are not conservatives. If anything, those moderates have too much cojones, and refuse just to go along meekly with bullying by a conservative minorityy. The GOP is a coalition - it is not a singular group of like-minded individuals.
Right. So Gang-of-Eight all over again. But when Conservatives grow a pair and stand up against the minority in the middle, you're accusing THEM? C'mon. I know it's a pretty even split. And I know it can't be full throttle... I think they're wrong in that. But I think they need to go home wih the goods. Some goods. Real goods. Otherwise the middle is always going to rule, and always set the tone. And in that, the Conservatives remain in the gutter.
NOW, Conservatives are setting the tone. And the conference AGREES with THEM, albeit only because it is an election year... But the middlin speaker THROWS the deal and acts with the middle which was not a majority of the conference.
In part, I get that. The deal has an expiration date and he's trying to move forward with what he can. And yeah, they are being too insistent in the face of a razor thin majority, both in conference and generally. But surely neither side - NEITHER SIDE (of the conference I mean) - is acting in good faith.
You blame the right for not moving. And I'll agree. But what did the middle move on?
Now, if conservatives decide that they no longer want to be part of a coalition, then they might as well break away and form their own party. Of course, if there aren't enough conservatives to elect a majority within the Republican party, then there is zero chance that there are enough conservatives to outvote the Democrats all by themselves.
What difference in that if there is never a win? They may as well be by themselves. Where is the profit in coalition from the Conservative side? A promise ten years from now?
Second, the content of that coalition changes with each election, and just because this particular election did not result in enough conservatives getting elected is no reason to stamp our feet, throw a tantrum, and whine that it can never happen. It just didn't happen this past election.
True. At least in spirit. But not in the application. Three times in my life Conservatives have moved the needle. And that, each time, destroyed by their own conference in the next or following sessions. Read that. Their OWN betrayed them. Not the Democrats. Again, what profit?
So hard ball it is. If the RINOs want to side with the Democrats so be it. Let the voters sort it out.
And third, the fact that this is an election year with the opportunity to change the composition of Congress so that it is more in our favor is an argument against this kind of stunt. The Democrats are handing us election issues by the bushel, and our response is stunts that accomplish nothing other than to demonstrate Republicans can't govern.
Honestly, I'm starting to see a lot of merit in the Democrats' claim that we are the party of the stupid people.
Standing in opposition to 'what the Democrats are offering by the bushel' is the name of the game. Folding up and letting them do it is the Republican norm. I'll stand with the hot blood in that.
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No, the 112 don't have to cave to the 102. They are perfectly free to vote against the bill.
Sure they are. The bill that should have stayed in conference until the Republicans weren't split, and you know it.
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I'm just going to add one thing, and then I'll leave the thread before I get even more obnoxious than I already am.
Are you being obnoxious? I hadn't noticed.
FWIW, I don't think Johnson likes this bill either. But what he's thinking about is the fact that this election was trending in our direction on a bunch of issues, and he doesn't want to hand the Democrats an easy and effective campaign issue by handing them a shutdown that is sure to fail anyway.
There is zero chance - zero - that the Democrats would be unable to get a handful of RINO's to cross the aisle to avoid that shutdown. The Senate GOP caving guaranteed that. So, the Democrat victory in getting that bill passed is assured. The only question is whether that bill will pass after a pointless 30-day shutdown while the discharge petition chugs through, or whether it passes now.
Johnson has decided that there is no political gain for Republicans in shutting down the government for 30 days only to end up exactly in the same place they'd be anyway. And not only does he believe there's no gain, but he believes that handing the Democrats that kind of issue will damage the Republican chances of holding on to the House in November..
I don't believe in fighting battles you can't win if they put you in an even worse place than you were before, and neither does Johnson. It might have been a completely different story if the Senate Republicans had managed to stop this thing, but they didn't. And enough of them supported it to give the Democratic claims of bipartisanship some merit.
I get all that... and at least, I alluded to it. I can commiserate. The only option otherwise then is to let the Gang of Eight run the show, as they always do. That has always been the secret to the Moderate wing's success.
As for me, I see a dire need to break the Moderate's power. And even if ham-handed, the Conservatives have FINALLY got a wedge in. I am all for that. *ALL FOR IT*. If for no other reason than to make them bastards miserable for a change.
The margin - at least on this deal - was pretty even in-conference. That, if it were you and me, would imply some sort of brokered power sharing - a brokered participation in cobbling the deal to stand against the Democrats as an actual participatory coalition. Not just a Moderate flex YET AGAIN, wielding the power of the chair.
I cry bullshit. and I stand with the Conservatives, even though they are being too insistent by half. Better that than to fold like the typical Republican p***ies and let the Democrats have their way. Even if the Democrats have their way. At least they won't be numbered with the RINOs that let it happen. AGAIN.
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I'm just going to add one thing, and then I'll leave the thread before I get even more obnoxious than I already am.
FWIW, I don't think Johnson likes this bill either. But what he's thinking about is the fact that this election was trending in our direction on a bunch of issues, and he doesn't want to hand the Democrats an easy and effective campaign issue by handing them a shutdown that is sure to fail anyway.
good stuff... @Maj. Bill Martin :beer:
There is zero chance - zero - that the Democrats would be unable to get a handful of RINO's to cross the aisle to avoid that shutdown. The Senate GOP caving guaranteed that. So, the Democrat victory in getting that bill passed is assured. The only question is whether that bill will pass after a pointless 30-day shutdown while the discharge petition chugs through, or whether it passes now.
Johnson has decided that there is no political gain for Republicans in shutting down the government for 30 days only to end up exactly in the same place they'd be anyway. And not only does he believe there's no gain, but he believes that handing the Democrats that kind of issue will damage the Republican chances of holding on to the House in November..
I don't believe in fighting battles you can't win if they put you in an even worse place than you were before, and neither does Johnson. It might have been a completely different story if the Senate Republicans had managed to stop this thing, but they didn't. And enough of them supported it to give the Democratic claims of bipartisanship some merit.
Cognitive dissonance much?? /s :laugh:
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Right. So Gang-of-Eight all over again. But when Conservatives grow a pair and stand up against the minority in the middle, you're accusing THEM? C'mon. I know it's a pretty even split. And I know it can't be full throttle... I think they're wrong in that. But I think they need to go home wih the goods. Some goods. Real goods. Otherwise the middle is always going to rule, and always set the tone. And in that, the Conservatives remain in the gutter.
NOW, Conservatives are setting the tone. And the conference AGREES with THEM, albeit only because it is an election year... But the middlin speaker THROWS the deal and acts with the middle which was not a majority of the conference.
In part, I get that. The deal has an expiration date and he's trying to move forward with what he can. And yeah, they are being too insistent in the face of a razor thin majority, both in conference and generally. But surely neither side - NEITHER SIDE (of the conference I mean) - is acting in good faith.
You blame the right for not moving. And I'll agree. But what did the middle move on?
What difference in that if there is never a win? They may as well be by themselves. Where is the profit in coalition from the Conservative side? A promise ten years from now?
True. At least in spirit. But not in the application. Three times in my life Conservatives have moved the needle. And that, each time, destroyed by their own conference in the next or following sessions. Read that. Their OWN betrayed them. Not the Democrats. Again, what profit?
So hard ball it is. If the RINOs want to side with the Democrats so be it. Let the voters sort it out.
Standing in opposition to 'what the Democrats are offering by the bushel' is the name of the game. Folding up and letting them do it is the Republican norm. I'll stand with the hot blood in that.
I agree!! 888high58888
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Just remember, this chick was too much of a pyro for the arson caucus.
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Just remember, this chick was too much of a pyro for the arson caucus.
I'll agree with that. I get it that they are going to far. But the alternative is not to kiss the RINOs' a**es and let the Dems do whatever they want.
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I'll agree with that. I get it that they are going to far. But the alternative is not to kiss the RINOs' a**es and let the Dems do whatever they want.
How are they going too far??? Demanding border security is going too far??? Keep in mind that the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was 18 years ago was approved by both houses and signed into law. Funding has always been the issue. Now we are at a very critical point in our country where 30,000,000 ILLEGALS are being allowed in, unvetted, many don't have a court date for another 5 years, to which they won't show up anyways. So far judges have ruled that they can vote and that they have the right to arms and if they squat and take over your home -- good luck getting them out.
American citizens continue to fall victim to rape, murders and losing their homes to ILLEGALS. This isn't anything new. Years ago during W's administration I attended prayers vigils for those who had been victimized by ILLEGALS; infants, teens, mothers, fathers, cops, border patrol, etc. We took turns reading out loud the stories associated with those victims. Talk about bringing tears to your eyes .... it needs to stop!
Giving into the DEMS hasn't worked for the past 18 years on this issue...and so they continue to win, while Americans continue to lose. This issue is now so politicized that it makes me absolutely sick.
So .... how is pushing back against this invasion going too far??
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How are they going too far??? Demanding border security is going too far??? Keep in mind that the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which was 18 years ago was approved by both houses and signed into law. Funding has always been the issue. Now we are at a very critical point in our country where 30,000,000 ILLEGALS are being allowed in, unvetted, many don't have a court date for another 5 years, to which they won't show up anyways. So far judges have ruled that they can vote and that they have the right to arms and if they squat and take over your home -- good luck getting them out.
American citizens continue to fall victim to rape, murders and losing their homes to ILLEGALS. This isn't anything new. Years ago during W's administration I attended prayers vigils for those who had been victimized by ILLEGALS; infants, teens, mothers, fathers, cops, border patrol, etc. We took turns reading out loud the stories associated with those victims. Talk about bringing tears to your eyes .... it needs to stop!
Giving into the DEMS hasn't worked for the past 18 years on this issue...and so they continue to win, while Americans continue to lose. This issue is now so politicized that it makes me absolutely sick.
So .... how is pushing back against this invasion going too far??
** FULL STOP **
I get it. I do. And understand me when I say it makes no difference:
This among all the other things are reduced to objects - Chips on the table.
It's a thing.
Don't care about the sore butt.
Don't care about the hyperventilating and anger.
It's a thing, like any other.
And in order to move that thing, you need to have a strong coalition
Doesn't matter the voters.
Doesn't matter the media.
All that is reduced to players around the table and things on the table.
How that moves is with coalition.
Barter. Tit for tat. Bribes. Blackmail.
500 people playing the game, pushed this way and that by their constituents, being affected by honoring past deals, forging new ones, all while trying not to piss each other off too much because they might need each other next time around. It's a fine line to walk for all of em, more so for leadership, who has the duty to herd all them cats in some sort of direction.
So it really doesn't matter the justice, or the dire nature. it takes time to craft a deal, and fair dinkum. and that never changes. So expecting them to hop to it and suddenly veer rightward is completely *not* going to happen. And being so insistent is doing damage.
They need the middle just as much as the middle needs them - Maybe more so since the middle will happily go vote with the crats.
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https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1771188213215895861
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https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/1771188213215895861
That's a great question -- he simply caved. He has to deal with his actions and reasoning. Unfortunately his decisions are effecting an entire country. That's quite a weight to carry around on his shoulders.
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Giving into the DEMS hasn't worked for the past 18 years on this issue...and so they continue to win, while Americans continue to lose. This issue is now so politicized that it makes me absolutely sick.
So .... how is pushing back against this invasion going too far??
We don't have the votes to pass a conservative agenda, not even close. The bills can only be moderated. Remember there are half a dozen congressmen from NY, three from NJ, eight from CA, a couple from Dade County, and quite a few midwesterners. If they fire Mike Johnson with their depleted numbers, they stand an excellent chance of not electing another republican speaker.
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** FULL STOP **
I get it. I do. And understand me when I say it makes no difference:
This among all the other things are reduced to objects - Chips on the table.
It's a thing.
Don't care about the sore butt.
Don't care about the hyperventilating and anger.
It's a thing, like any other.
And in order to move that thing, you need to have a strong coalition
Doesn't matter the voters.
Doesn't matter the media.
All that is reduced to players around the table and things on the table.
How that moves is with coalition.
Barter. Tit for tat. Bribes. Blackmail.
500 people playing the game, pushed this way and that by their constituents, being affected by honoring past deals, forging new ones, all while trying not to piss each other off too much because they might need each other next time around. It's a fine line to walk for all of em, more so for leadership, who has the duty to herd all them cats in some sort of direction.
So it really doesn't matter the justice, or the dire nature. it takes time to craft a deal, and fair dinkum. and that never changes. So expecting them to hop to it and suddenly veer rightward is completely *not* going to happen. And being so insistent is doing damage.
They need the middle just as much as the middle needs them - Maybe more so since the middle will happily go vote with the crats.
Ok, I'll stop....I was going to add to that, but it makes no difference.
There is nothing I can do anyways but sit and watch things unfold and pray, pray and pray.
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We don't have the votes to pass a conservative agenda, not even close. The bills can only be moderated. Remember there are half a dozen congressmen from NY, three from NJ, eight from CA, a couple from Dade County, and quite a few midwesterners. If they fire Mike Johnson with their depleted numbers, they stand an excellent chance of not electing another republican speaker.
Understood. It makes no difference anymore.
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Understood. It makes no difference anymore.
It doesn't have to be a permanent condition. The republicans need to regain one-two dozen House seats MAGA scared away, and quit nominating toxic senate candidates in the most critical swing states just because they kiss Trump's behind.
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It doesn't have to be a permanent condition. The republicans need to regain one-two dozen House seats MAGA scared away, and quit nominating toxic senate candidates in the most critical swing states just because they kiss Trump's behind.
???? Again, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump. Border security is an AMERICAN issue, not a DEM or GOP issue. If we continue to allow terrorists, gangsters, thugs, rapists, jihadists, Hamas, etc., into this country and allow them free reign as we are currently doing it is only a matter of time before we are overrun. A judge just ruled that they can vote. Another judge ruled that they are allowed to own arms under the 2A.
Take a lesson from Germany, UK and France where they are overrun by supposed refugees.
DO you honestly think that there is time to regain House seats that MAGA supposedly scared away?
I don't know if you saw the post that Brandon will soon be meeting with the U.N. The meeting is to 'discuss' allowing the UN to use global emergency powers; thus, giving them power over the U.S. That meeting is this September. Gee, what do you think Brandon is going to do??
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Ok, I'll stop....I was going to add to that, but it makes no difference.
There is nothing I can do anyways but sit and watch things unfold and pray, pray and pray.
Oh no darlin! I don't need !YOU! to stop. You're doing exactly as you should!
I'm just saying that does not translate into political action very well.
As orthodox to Conservatism and Constitution as I would prefer, I just know that a new speaker ain't gonna change Congress' spots in three short months. ANY movement rightward is a gain. Expecting a radical remake is a rather high expectation. Give him some time to get his feet set... A couple quarters... Thereafter, believe me, I will be right there with you. happy77 :beer:
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DO you honestly think that there is time to regain House seats that MAGA supposedly scared away?
I don't know if you saw the post that Brandon will soon be meeting with the U.N. The meeting is to 'discuss' allowing the UN to use global emergency powers; thus, giving them power over the U.S. That meeting is this September. Gee, what do you think Brandon is going to do??
I agree with the sentiment, but we do not live under a dictatorship, and most of congress is opposed to our position. The only way to change policy is for the conservative movement to market ELECTABLE candidates and return to their numeric standing before cheeto poof descended the golden escalator. Otherwise we're just going to watch Biden and the center-left run the country into the ground.
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I agree with the sentiment, but we do not live under a dictatorship, and most of congress is opposed to our position. The only way to change policy is for the conservative movement to market ELECTABLE conservatives and return to their numeric standing before cheeto poof descended the golden escalator. Otherwise we're just going to watch Biden and the center-left run the country into the ground.
Almost yes. There is something to be said for being a PIA too.
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MTG hard-pressed to find support for motion to vacate Johnson
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Jenny Goldsberry
March 22, 2024 6:42 pm
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Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) was met with mixed reactions from her own party after she filed a motion to vacate Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R-LA).
The majority of members’ reactions were disapproving of Greene, which was to be expected because she has not named supporters. Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO), who helped oust Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) last October, is set to retire on Friday and will not be able to participate this time around.
“I completely OPPOSE any motion to vacate,” Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-FL) wrote on X. “Mike Johnson is a principled man working to deliver results in divided government. Speaker Johnson is in the same situation Kevin McCarthy was in.”
https://twitter.com/RepCarlos/status/1771231277007388815
“I consider Marjorie Taylor Green to be my friend,” Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA) said in a video posted to X. “She’s still my friend, but she just made a big mistake trying to vacate Mike Johnson. I totally oppose that. Mike is a very good man. He begins every day from the right place, he’s deeply principled, and he’s like a brother to me.”
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/2934984/mtg-hard-pressed-find-support-vacate-johnson/
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Laura Ingraham just said on her show that she expects to see Speaker Jeffries by summer...