Time for a third party.
Time for a third party.
No. Time for the Tea Party to take over the GOP in 2014. If that fails, then it will be time for a third party.
Time for a third party.
LMAO....compromise?....still laughing....McConnell did such a great job in that department...
Somehow I don't picture you as a Tea Partier.
The GOP makes the democrats stronger. The daily bashing of Cruz by the GOP, along with the MSM, who fear him, is the culprit. Cruz didn't lose one supporter during this period, and has gained many people who are waking up. The GOP won't give up its social club, and that is what is hurting the country. Once they are voted out, the country can begin to heal.
He's a Democrat. He WANTS a third party to split off from the Republicans.
I'm not a Democrat. I don't vote Democrat and never will. I have never voted for anything but third party candidates. Regardless of whether or not I support his Tea Party and their ideas, I can still appreciate the American people taking a stand against our corrupt two party system.
McConnell was playing a weak hand. He had no leverage.
I'm not a Democrat. I don't vote Democrat and never will. I have never voted for anything but third party candidates. Regardless of whether or not I support his Tea Party and their ideas, I can still appreciate the American people taking a stand against our corrupt two party system.
...still laughing....leverage..that's their own damn fault by not sticking together instead of all the infighting...you sure don't see the Dems do that!
Did you really believe Obama was going to agree to defund Obamacare?
Absolutely not....but I had hoped he would negotiate on some of it's issues...instead by relenting Obama now knows he doesn't have to negotiate on anything in the future....Repubs now have a hard task now of trying to block anything the the Dems try to push through..which is even harder now since some Repub's can't be trusted to remain faithful to their own party.
Why would he negotiate? He knew the GOP would be blamed for the shutdown, and they would be blamed for a debt default.
Hey, we can do the same thing. We can refuse to negotiate on the sequester cuts. The country supports the sequester cuts. Yet the GOP is jumping offside to trade those cuts for entitlement reform (at some date in the future).
Absolutely not....but I had hoped he would negotiate on some of it's issues...instead by relenting Obama now knows he doesn't have to negotiate on anything in the future....Repubs now have a hard task now of trying to block anything the the Dems try to push through..which is even harder now since some Repub's can't be trusted to remain faithful to their own party.
:amen:
Absolutely not....but I had hoped he would negotiate on some of it's issues...instead by relenting Obama now knows he doesn't have to negotiate on anything in the future....Repubs now have a hard task now of trying to block anything the the Dems try to push through..which is even harder now since some Repub's can't be trusted to remain faithful to their own party.Some general questions:
Not really wise to trust that guy or anything he says, happy......
LOL! I liked the one comment. Don't worry; I'm not changing my stance on the issues. :beer:
He's here to harm us.
I also want to put it out there that I have been encouraging frustrated liberals to vote third party too. We need to break away from the monster that has taken over our political system.
That sounds like a nice tune your singing, but...
I'm not quite certain things would turn out well. I not sure that encouraging liberals to vote for Green, Peace and Freedom, Working Families, and every other neo-communist party out there would help the cause of liberty or get us back to a constitutional republic. Besides, it would just split the vote on the left and elect more establishment Republicans. Then we'd be on the same course where on now – only slower.
Not everybody here is paranoid and intolerant.
You never bother to explain WHY you think like you do, which I find strange.
I realize you're a liberal, I just don't know WHY you have the opinions you do. As for common ground, specifically which specific issues can we can find common ground on, and how?
Quite frankly, dealing with you is like nailing jello to a wall.
McConnell was playing a weak hand. He had no leverage.
McConnell had all the leverage he needed in the house. He and other GOP senators were unwilling to use it
McConnell had all the leverage he needed in the house. He and other GOP senators were unwilling to use it
Amen!
RINOS are the problem and always have been!
Many of you recognize that the banks are a problem, and that they need to be broken up; I am a huge supporter of this idea. Many of you seem to agree with cutting out excess military spending; I am a huge supporter of this idea. Almost all of you disagree with gun control, which I also disagree with. Most of you seem to believe that the powers that run this country have overstepped their boundaries and have polarized the two parties into something that benefits them regardless of who is in office, which I completely agree with. I think the left and right could get a lot of good done if they worked together.
Are you one of those who thinks Obama would defund Obamacare?No. I am one of those that never thought you can get from point A to point Z without any steps in between. My thoughts on the overall strategy were expressed a month or two ago. None the less, when you arrive at point G, you don't say we can't get to Z so we give up. You stick together and perhaps get to L. They certainly could have extracted something, perhaps a delay, if the had held strong and been wise about their strategy. Instead by folding (GOP senators) they end up with nothing and looking like the losers they are.
Hell, I'm a conservative and some are trying to run me off the forum because I disagree with them
Many of you recognize that the banks are a problem, and that they need to be broken up; I am a huge supporter of this idea. Many of you seem to agree with cutting out excess military spending; I am a huge supporter of this idea. Almost all of you disagree with gun control, which I also disagree with. Most of you seem to believe that the powers that run this country have overstepped their boundaries and have polarized the two parties into something that benefits them regardless of who is in office, which I completely agree with. I think the left and right could get a lot of good done if they worked together.
Tom Coburn, no RINO, thought the defunding strategy was stupid. It was.
The "problem" with the ignore button is that you'll end up 'seeing' many of that member's posts inside quotes contained in typical replies.
IMO, tis better to simply glance...see...and look away.
RE: Ted Cruz....whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
Ted Cruz' future could mirror Ronald Reagan's back in 1976, when Rockefeller and FRiends kept the nomination from him.
The "problem" with the ignore button is that you'll end up 'seeing' many of that member's posts inside quotes contained in typical replies.
IMO, tis better to simply glance...see...and look away.
RE: Ted Cruz....whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
Ted Cruz' future could mirror Ronald Reagan's back in 1976, when Rockefeller and FRiends kept the nomination from him.
No. I am one of those that never thought you can get from point A to point Z without any steps in between. My thoughts on the overall strategy were expressed a month or two ago. None the less, when you arrive at point G, you don't say we can't get to Z so we give up. You stick together and perhaps get to L. They certainly could have extracted something, perhaps a delay, if the had held strong and been wise about their strategy. Instead by folding (GOP senators) they end up with nothing and looking like the losers they are.
He may have been right about the strategy but he and others that caved early are the reason they got nothing at all
For God's sake! Cruz has been in the Senate 15 minutes and you're comparing him to Ronald Reagan. Seriously?
Reagan had leadership skills. Cruz has none, at least none that he demonstrated over the past two weeks.
There are many here who are bothered by the very idea that you would come on this forum and present alternative ideas. Some will tell you to leave, others will put you on ignore.
Hell, I'm a conservative and some are trying to run me off the forum because I disagree with them!
So don't get discouraged.
No. I am one of those that never thought you can get from point A to point Z without any steps in between. My thoughts on the overall strategy were expressed a month or two ago. None the less, when you arrive at point G, you don't say we can't get to Z so we give up. You stick together and perhaps get to L. They certainly could have extracted something, perhaps a delay, if the had held strong and been wise about their strategy. Instead by folding (GOP senators) they end up with nothing and looking like the losers they are.Immediately following Pearl Harbor, the US Navy could have appointed Admiral Cruz to lead the retaliation against Japan. He could have ordered every vessel and sailor, to steam straight west for Japan.
Obama might delay the mandate on his own, but he's not going to do it because the GOP is willing to shutdown the government over it, especially since they and not he got the bulk of the blame.
We will never know what barry would have done if the GOP had stuck together
But you can't force a major change from one House of Congress
Yes you can when they hold the purse strings
Obama might delay the mandate on his own, but he's not going to do it because the GOP is willing to shutdown the government over it, especially since they and not he got the bulk of the blame.
We will never know what barry would have done if the GOP had stuck together
But you can't force a major change from one House of Congress
Yes you can when they hold the purse strings
Immediately following Pearl Harbor, the US Navy could have appointed Admiral Cruz to lead the retaliation against Japan. He could have ordered every vessel and sailor, to steam straight west for Japan.
Seeing he was heading for disaster, a higher authority could have halted that fleet, to save them for when they were ready, and not doomed to certain destruction.
Fortunately during WWII we had wise commanders. Also when outnumbered, General Washington got the most from a bad situation, by cunning, strategy, patience etc.
A lot of willful denial going on these days.
President Barack Obama warned Republicans in Congress on Monday that he will not negotiate over an extension of the U.S. debt ceiling...
These things don't make you sound like much of a liberal, yet you insist you are. I think you're a time waster and you're boring. You're going on ignore--if I can figure out how to do that.
Please, now: we're not at war, and the Tea Party did not bomb Washington. Nor was Mr. Cruz's effort intended as an "all-out assault", nor did it constitute a reckless or poorly-considered use of congressional authority. There is no level at which your analogy really works.
The bad situation is which we presently find ourselves exists not because of, but in spite of Mr. Cruz's efforts.
We have a Democrat Senate and President comprised of radical Progressives who refuse to compromise in any meaningful way. Their goal is democratic socialism, and they will not allow any reversal of the gains they have thus far made toward that end. Along with Democrat House members and Democrat constituent members, the party at present finds itself essentially united in its beliefs and purposes, even in spite of great differences in class and social standing as between Democrat leaders and their client groups.
For their part, the Republicans find themselves strongly divided between a definable class of permanent politicians, lobbyists, and consultants on one hand, and the set of constituent groups that comprise their base voters, on the other. Increasingly, these two sets of people have less in common in the way of either social standing, beliefs or purposes. In point of fact, they are growing apart.
GOP leaders tend to shun conflict, where their Democrat counterparts embrace it. The GOP base wants its leaders to fight for their principles, but they most often decline to do so. In part, this reticence is due to fear of the (very real) damage that can be done to them as a result of the modern control of all social institutions by Progressive liberals. But it is also due to a gradual shift on the part of GOP leaders, away from the beliefs and attitudes of their base voters.
Into this environment came a radical, transformative President, one given neither to self-doubt or compromise, but rather to conflict and intentional antagonism. Exploiting the growing rift between the GOP elites and their natural political base (which here I will describe roughly as a loose coalition of religious traditionalists, cultural activists, free-market libertarians, small business people and entrepreneurs, and white, suburban and exurban families), the President set about to mock and ridicule the attitudes and beliefs of these people while tying them to their leaders as though they were millstones.
The Tea Party was a natural reaction to the Democrats' legislative overreach and open hostility toward conservative values, but it also provided a convenient and visible bulls-eye for a Progressive President and his minions, all well-schooled in the teachings of Saul Alinsky: pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
And so, Obama's advisers employed a divide-and-conquer strategy not just between Americans, but specifically between Republican leaders and their own voters. It was and is, an audacious and clever move, knowing that many life-long Republican political figures have a good deal more in common - socially and attitudinally - with Washington Democrats, than they do with the people who elected them. The result over time, and especially after 2010, has been to dishearten Republican base voters, while increasing their polarization from the people who represent them.
And so, into the fray stepped Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and others, in an effort to reverse the polarity of the current political dynamic - in the process, inviting their own electrocution. Anyone who thinks that what they are doing is in the pursuit of self-aggrandizement should ask themselves whether they would be willing to subject themselves to the torrents of hatred, abuse, vitiol and public disdain that has been brought down upon them - for daring to stand up for the people that their fellow Republicans increasingly refuse to represent, or in some cases: really no longer do represent.
And so the (Tea) party will go on...
Wow. This is absolutely SUPERB, andy.
It's a clear synopsis of exactly what we're facing.
As a conservative Republican (who IS a Republican), I am deeply dismayed that those who are supposed to be representing me, are representing inside the beltway, power-hungry, party attending special interests, and not ME. A loyal, thinking Republican who actually lives in the REAL world outside of Washington.
How, I continually ask myself, can my 'leadership' be so blind to what's going on? To what the American people want from them?
I strongly believe that a third party would be disastrous to conservatism, but I do not know what's going to make the establishment Republicans wake up to what's really going on in their party.
I think that you are far from alone in those thoughts! Well Stated! And I agree with everything Andy said as well!
There have always been conservative and moderate/liberal factions within the Republican party. You and I are old enough to remember back to the Republican convention in 1964 with Goldwater against Scranton (how much more fun it was to watch those conventions when the nominee was decided there and then!), with the conservative wing against the moderate wing of the party. There has always been the Rockefeller wing, but somehow it didn't seem as important that there was division back a few decades ago as it does now..
Now we're talking about the very survival of America......not just some variations in goals. The progressive left under Obama is destroying the very infrastructure of our Republic. They are tearing away the very fabric of our society. They are willfully breaking laws left and right, and very few of our representatives are uttering a word about it. The left is now fulfilling the diabolical goals that go back 100 years in the Dem party, and have literally eliminated any conservative opposition within their party and now serve as a united front......a veritable battering ram against everything we hold dear.
We cannot compromise with people who don't share a single goal with us, who don't have a single value that we have.
And yet we've got representatives who seem to be hold their ears and singing "LA, LA, LA!" to try to avoid the reality of the situation we're in. They're more interested in their own power and perks than in the liberty and well-being of their constituents. And they seem oblivious to the threats we're facing from the left.
It's maddening and disheartening, and perhaps the only consolation is that we are NOT alone.
Nobody's afraid of Ted Cruz but his disciples in the House. Now that he's got that "loser" scarlet letter on him, even they won't fear him any longer.
What makes you think Cruz gained supporters? If anything, he's alienated many Republicans who share his goals.
There are many here who are bothered by the very idea that you would come on this forum and present alternative ideas. Some will tell you to leave, others will put you on ignore.
Hell, I'm a conservative and some are trying to run me off the forum because I disagree with them!
So don't get discouraged.
...still laughing....leverage..that's their own damn fault by not sticking together instead of all the infighting...you sure don't see the Dems do that!
Good move. Your observations are accurate.
(If you need some help with the 'ignore' thing, I'll be glad to give it to you. ^-^ It only took 24 hours for me to realize for sure that he was just your run of the mill liberal troll, pretending to be something that he's not. Leftist internet interlopers may vary in personal skills, some more well behaved [ergo, more deceitful] than others, but they all have one goal......... DIVIDE and conquer).
Is anyone else here getting tired of continual circular arguments from some quarters?
I sure am!
Me.
Thank you Music Lady, I got it figured out via a kind PM. Liberal Spy can run his/her con on other posters here. I'm done.
I hope somebody will let me in on my con.
Lipstick did sort of let you in, she said it is like trying to nail jello to the wall getting a straight answer from you...
Is anyone else here getting tired of continual circular arguments from some quarters?
I sure am!
You know, I served in Vietnam, so I would never turn my back on a fellow veteran—no matter how much I disagreed with his politics. :patriot:
So sayeth the hypocrite who readily slapped people into ignore status on that old TBL site. :police:
THey didn't have the "ignore" feature. If they did, I didn't use it.
Hell, I wouldn't have ignored WAR, one of the most obnoxious posters on the internet.
Is anyone else here getting tired of continual circular arguments from some quarters?
I sure am!
What on earth do you know about arguments? All you do is take potshots if you oppose somebody or Amen somebody if you don't.
Well you see Sink it's like this! My daddy told me never to argue with an idiot for more than two minutes because after that it becomes impossible for a bystander to tell the difference! Your two minutes have long ago expired!
I'd appreciate you leaving out the snide comments.:bs:
Be nice. I thought you had me on "ignore."
Your daddy was smart. Too bad he didn't teach you some manners.
Come on guys, really?
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THey didn't have the "ignore" feature. If they did, I didn't use it.
Hell, I wouldn't have ignored WAR, one of the most obnoxious posters on the internet.