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Title: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: mystery-ak on March 30, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
by Susan Ferrechio
 | March 30, 2021 06:30 AM


Senate Democrats have been eager to blame the GOP for stalled gun control legislation, but their own party lawmakers may ultimately block it.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has pledged to take up two House-passed bills to expand and enhance background check legislation but has yet to put them on the schedule.

The 60-vote threshold means at least 10 Republicans would have to vote for the bill unless Democrats get rid of the filibuster. Even with Republicans no longer an obstacle, Democrats would still lack the votes in their own party to pass the legislation.

Centrists led by Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia believe the language in the House bill barring transfers between friends and families goes too far and want broader carve-outs than are provided in the bill.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/senate-gun-control-chuck-schumer-joe-manchin-pat-toomey-filibuster
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Sled Dog on March 30, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
When did Manschin become a "centrist"?   Last time I checked, he still wears his (D), which stands for Dictator in Training.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: christian on March 31, 2021, 02:19:01 AM
Didn't people assure us that the last election didn't matter, we'll just win the next one?
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 02:23:41 AM
Didn't people assure us that the last election didn't matter, we'll just win the next one?

You will not 'win' any. Because y'all stand upon sand.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 31, 2021, 10:52:14 AM
You will not 'win' any. Because y'all stand upon sand.
Unlike you atleast they stand.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 10:55:17 AM
Unlike you atleast they stand.

I have been standing exactly in the same place for all my life.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 31, 2021, 10:59:53 AM
I have been standing exactly in the same place for all my life.
You've been sitting in the same place as the world passes you by. You stand for nothing so just sit there and STFU.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 11:05:07 AM
You've been sitting in the same place as the world passes you by. You stand for nothing so just sit there and STFU.

Nah. What I stand upon is timeless - And I will defend it with my life.
That it is not what you stand upon is readily evident. It is you that stands for nothing. That is the very fate of populism. Always has been, and always will be. So go follow your prince. I will stay right where I always have been, Directly under the standard of principled Conservatism.

And no, I will be continuing to speak the truth... As long as I have breath.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 31, 2021, 11:22:34 AM
The paradox of Liberal policy is to increase controls of legal purchase and ownership of firearms while pursuing lenient enforcement policy for those who commit crimes while illegally possessing firearms.

This leads to the rational reaction, "I need to purchase a firearm now before the Democrats take away my ability to purchase one legally."

Also, it feeds the fear that "I'll need a personal firearm to protect my family because the government will be unwilling to arrest, try, convict, and imprison violent offenders; will not adequately enforce firearms laws against criminals; and liberal judges will let violent criminals out of jail on lenient bail so they can offend again while awaiting trial."

Why do Liberals want to harm law-abiding persons while coddling violent criminals?

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Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: catfish1957 on March 31, 2021, 11:24:30 AM
When did Manschin become a "centrist"?   Last time I checked, he still wears his (D), which stands for Dictator in Training.

Manchiin is a weasel, and is not to be trusted under any circumstance. 
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: christian on March 31, 2021, 07:08:18 PM
Somestand against Republicans and give democrats a pass on far worse, but they sear they do not what they openly is obvious what they are doing.  AnnihilTE AMERICA AND ITS CITIZENS PATRIOTISM, patriot my butt!  That's a bunch of jihad mixed with Communism under a Patriot thin skin!   In a year or two some of the clueless will finally move past psycho denial.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 07:15:13 PM
Somestand against Republicans and give democrats a pass on far worse, but they sear they do not what they openly is obvious what they are doing.  AnnihilTE AMERICA AND ITS CITIZENS PATRIOTISM, patriot my butt!  That's a bunch of jihad mixed with Communism under a Patriot thin skin!   In a year or two some of the clueless will finally move past psycho denial.

BOTH sides are annihilating  America.

Neither side is your friend.

The only good government is small government. Conservatism 101.
And it is like fire. Fine when it is small and contained. But it will burn down everything you've made and leave you dead if you let it get out of its box.

When you are ready to support small, responsible government, then we will see eye to eye.
Till then, y'all ain't no different than the Democrats.

Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 31, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
BOTH sides are annihilating  America.

Neither side is your friend.

The only good government is small government. Conservatism 101.
And it is like fire. Fine when it is small and contained. But it will burn down everything you've made and leave you dead if you let it get out of its box.

When you are ready to support small, responsible government, then we will see eye to eye.
Till then, y'all ain't no different than the Democrats.
That's the pot calling the kettle black.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 08:00:52 PM
That's the pot calling the kettle black.

That's right - Y'all being the pot and the crats being the kettle.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Fishrrman on March 31, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
I reckon that ALL of the demo-communist senators will fall into line when ordered to do so.

No matter what you may say about the communists, they had and enforced "party discipline", military-style. To be a "member of the party" was to be a [non-uniform-wearing] soldier for marxism.

Now that we're on the pathway towards communist rule, it's going to take that same kind of discipline on OUR side if they're to be defeated.

Otherwise...
...We lose.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: libertybele on March 31, 2021, 08:25:31 PM
Manchiin is a weasel, and is not to be trusted under any circumstance.
   

For that matter, is there anyone in gov't that can be trusted?  There are a few I trust more than others, but these days, I question every single one of them.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 31, 2021, 08:38:24 PM
That's right - Y'all being the pot and the crats being the kettle.
No. It's you libby being the pot and the dems being the kettle. Since you stand for nothing you can stay seated and STFU.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Sled Dog on March 31, 2021, 08:54:05 PM
I reckon that ALL of the demo-communist senators will fall into line when ordered to do so.

No matter what you may say about the communists, they had and enforced "party discipline", military-style. To be a "member of the party" was to be a [non-uniform-wearing] soldier for marxism.

Now that we're on the pathway towards communist rule, it's going to take that same kind of discipline on OUR side if they're to be defeated.

Otherwise...
...We lose.

Yup.

If the filibuster is voided, the Rodents will criminalize long-gun ownership in less than a week, and hand-guns will be outlawed the week after...with exceptions made for the Rodent elite, of course.

There's no doubt about this.   This has been their goal since the 1930's, to disarm the US public like those other milder socialists in Germany did and like socialists do, always and forever.  They know they can't have firm control of their slaves if their slaves can shoot them.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
No. It's you libby being the pot and the dems being the kettle. Since you stand for nothing you can stay seated and STFU.

LOL! I am not the one voting FOR big government on the right... Nor on the left. A pox on them all.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 31, 2021, 09:22:15 PM
LOL! I am not the one voting FOR big government on the right... Nor on the left. A pox on them all.
You're the one that lives in the land of Make Believe. We don't always get to vote for what we want so we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. When you stay seated like you do we end up with your buddies the demonrats in office. So you're the one that is actually voting for big government libby. When you don't vote you have no say.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 09:26:35 PM
You're the one that lives in the land of Make Believe. We don't always get to vote for what we want so we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. When you stay seated like you do we end up with your buddies the demonrats in office. So you're the one that is actually voting for big government libby.

Yeah whatever... You haven't been worth a single win in thirty years. And you think I'm in the land of Make Believe?

Funny how the Dems get what they want... Great strides toward liberalism... But y'all are content to live on crumbs and never get your way. That should be a clue.

Liberals win because they have no opposition.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 31, 2021, 11:32:59 PM
Yeah whatever... You haven't been worth a single win in thirty years. And you think I'm in the land of Make Believe?

Funny how the Dems get what they want... Great strides toward liberalism... But y'all are content to live on crumbs and never get your way. That should be a clue.

Liberals win because they have no opposition.
And liberal sympathizers like you are no help. Just keep sitting on your ass in the land of Make Believe and do nothing to change it. You spout your BS with no clue what's going on in the real world. You self righteous bench warmers are as much of the problem as the ones you whine about.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2021, 11:51:22 PM
And liberal sympathizers like you are no help. Just keep sitting on your ass in the land of Make Believe and do nothing to change it. You spout your BS with no clue what's going on in the real world. You self righteous bench warmers are as much of the problem as the ones you whine about.

Nah... I ain't on your bench. But like the Democrats do, y'all would shame and coerce me into voting agaisnt what I want. Funny how I can't see no damn difference eh?

You don't get my vote because you are not standing where I am (A helluva lot farther to the right than most). You have no right to it, as I am not a Republican and therefore without any obligation. And since y'all ain't standing for Conservatism, there is no desire to vote for you either.

So until you get it through your thick skulls that Conservatism is where your power is, I will just remain indy and likely third party - Since y'all ain't done sh*t nearly my entire life, I actually have as good or better a chance at effecting real change through a 3rd party.

So go ahead and spout your toothless barbs... Chase after your princes and popularity. You got nothing.

Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: christian on April 02, 2021, 04:06:18 AM
Quote
BOTH sides are annihilating AMERICA.

I think we're having a break through moment, not just; blame Never Trump/Republicans, the democrats get a pass/they don't matter.  How expensive is a good therapist now-a-days?
 :silly: :2popcorn: :silly:
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 05:35:12 AM
You've been sitting in the same place as the world passes you by. You stand for nothing so just sit there and STFU.

@Killer Clouds

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/thumbs-up01b.png

The easiest thing in the world to find is the justification to do nothing.


Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:51:10 AM
I think we're having a break through moment, not just; blame Never Trump/Republicans, the democrats get a pass/they don't matter.  How expensive is a good therapist now-a-days?
 :silly: :2popcorn: :silly:

Yes, in effect. Whatever the threat is does not matter unless you have the will and the tools to defend.

Republicans defend nothing. Republicans have not won a single issue in my lifetime. What Republicans do is cede ground, and you can bet that is all they will do in the future.

If the fox gets in the henhouse the blame belongs to the dog. The dog is only there to defend. And if he does not defend, what use is he? Such are Republicans. The Democat  fox has been in the henhouse for decades and all Republicans do is suck eggs.

You want Conservative support?
FIGHT. For Conservatism.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:55:52 AM
@Killer Clouds

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/thumbs-up01b.png

The easiest thing in the world to find is the justification to do nothing.

'Doing nothing's is doing the same old thing as always, expecting a different result.
And the results are in: Nothing. Same as last time.


Lucy/football
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: catfish1957 on April 02, 2021, 08:41:35 AM
And liberal sympathizers like you are no help. Just keep sitting on your ass in the land of Make Believe and do nothing to change it. You spout your BS with no clue what's going on in the real world. You self righteous bench warmers are as much of the problem as the ones you whine about.

They aren't liberal or liberal sympathizers. Just pseudo-martyrs who are now realizing that flipping the bird at the orange man on November 3, 2020 really did count for something. We are seeing the results of that daily now.

I sure wouldn't want to have their consciences.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: catfish1957 on April 02, 2021, 08:47:45 AM
'Doing nothing's is doing the same old thing as always, expecting a different result.
And the results are in: Nothing. Same as last time.


Lucy/football
"nothing?"  Same as last time?"

What we are seeing in Biden 2A actions just alone makes that argument ridiculous.  Your little mole hill  of a hill fightng for  your decison last November doesn't pass the "red face test" IMO. 
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 08:54:16 AM
They aren't liberal or liberal sympathizers. Just pseudo-martyrs who are now realizing that flipping the bird at the orange man on November 3, 2020 really did count for something. We are seeing the results of that daily now.

I sure wouldn't want to have their consciences.

@catfish1957


Don't lose any sleep over that one. The only ones they care about are themselves. It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" with those people. They don't give  a squat about what happens to anyone else.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on April 02, 2021, 10:52:31 AM
@Killer Clouds

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/thumbs-up01b.png

The easiest thing in the world to find is the justification to do nothing.
ABSOLUTELY!
I hope you don't mind if I quote that.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 01:38:28 PM
They aren't liberal or liberal sympathizers. Just pseudo-martyrs who are now realizing that flipping the bird at the orange man on November 3, 2020 really did count for something. We are seeing the results of that daily now.

I sure wouldn't want to have their consciences.

My conscience is fine.
And I will do it exactly the same way again. And again.

I will vote for Conservatives ONLY.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
"nothing?"  Same as last time?"

What we are seeing in Biden 2A actions just alone makes that argument ridiculous.  Your little mole hill  of a hill fightng for  your decison last November doesn't pass the "red face test" IMO.

No, This is about as expected. The thing to wonder about is why Republicans didn't move the ball on 2A (in fact moved it LEFT if you count bump-stops) when it had the chance. When it had all three houses.

Fact is the Republicans didn't move a damn thing Right, did they?
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 01:46:09 PM
@catfish1957


Don't lose any sleep over that one. The only ones they care about are themselves. It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" with those people. They don't give  a squat about what happens to anyone else.

Bullshit, and you know it.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
I'm sick to DEATH of all the internecine warfare on this site!  Had enough of it!

@roamer_1 is a full-grown man who lives in a state that reliably votes Republican.  His individual vote for whomever he chooses to cast it isn't likely to change that anytime soon so why don't you all just lay the F off and let him cast HIS vote as he damned well pleases!

And, just so you know, I disagree with his choice to not vote for lesser evils in GENERAL elections and have told him so. I don't have to beat him about the head and shoulders over that one thing for years!  I also FULLY understand WHY he feels as he does about Republicans as I share most of those feelings myself!
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
I'm sick to DEATH of all the internecine warfare on this site!  Had enough of it!

@roamer_1 is a full-grown man who lives in a state that reliably votes Republican.  His individual vote for whomever he chooses to cast it isn't likely to change that anytime soon so why don't you all just lay the F off at let him cast HIS vote as he damned well pleases!

And, just so you know, I disagree with his choice to not vote for lesser evils in GENERAL elections and have told him so. I don't have to beat him about the head and shoulders over that one thing for years!  I also FULLY understand WHY he feels as he does about Republicans as I share most of those feelings myself!

S'alright @Bigun It goes to show how petty the argument is.

Especially since I am not a Republican - Yet I am expected to vote Republican.
Especially since I AM a Conservative - And yet I am expected to vote *for* what is NOT conservative.

The status-quo is thirty years of loss - And yet I am expected to vote *for* more of the same.
It shows exactly why Democrats keep moving left, even when Republicans hold all houses...
Because they have no opposition. And some are fine with that. And vote FOR that.

But thanks for your efforts.

Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2021, 02:17:17 PM
I'm sick to DEATH of all the internecine warfare on this site!  Had enough of it!

@roamer_1 is a full-grown man who lives in a state that reliably votes Republican.  His individual vote for whomever he chooses to cast it isn't likely to change that anytime soon so why don't you all just lay the F off and let him cast HIS vote as he damned well pleases!

And, just so you know, I disagree with his choice to not vote for lesser evils in GENERAL elections and have told him so. I don't have to beat him about the head and shoulders over that one thing for years!  I also FULLY understand WHY he feels as he does about Republicans as I share most of those feelings myself!

You may be sick of it @Bigun but @roamer_1 thrives on it ---  and has a knack for sucking the oxygen out of most every thread remotely focused on politics.

But it's really just another phase in Brieferville history.  In my case, as recently as last evening, I finally understood that the debate wasn't genuine and further discussion would be counterproductive and a waste of time.  So I think all of this, too, will pass as more folks come to this understanding.

Have a wonderful weekend.  :beer:
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 02:20:03 PM
S'alright @Bigun It goes to show how petty the argument is.

Especially since I am not a Republican - Yet I am expected to vote Republican.
Especially since I AM a Conservative - And yet I am expected to vote *for* what is NOT conservative.

The status-quo is thirty years of loss - And yet I am expected to vote *for* more of the same.
It shows exactly why Democrats keep moving left, even when Republicans hold all houses...
Because they have no opposition. And some are fine with that. And vote FOR that.

But thanks for your efforts.

I didn't post that for you @roamer_1 I posted it for me.  I really am sick of that silly S&*t!
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 02:26:15 PM
You may be sick of it @Bigun but @roamer_1 thrives on it ---  and has a knack for sucking the oxygen out of most every thread remotely focused on politics.

But it's really just another phase in Brieferville history.  In my case, as recently as last evening, I finally understood that the debate wasn't genuine and further discussion would be counterproductive and a waste of time.  So I think all of this, too, will pass as more folks come to this understanding.

Have a wonderful weekend.  :beer:

SOME, admittedly not very much, of the debate here IS genuine @Right_in_Virginia but I do find very few here who wish to discuss ANY policy issue in a serious manner.  Thinking about giving myself a LONG timeout for that reason alone.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: skeeter on April 02, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
I'm sick to DEATH of all the internecine warfare on this site!  Had enough of it!

@roamer_1 is a full-grown man who lives in a state that reliably votes Republican.  His individual vote for whomever he chooses to cast it isn't likely to change that anytime soon so why don't you all just lay the F off and let him cast HIS vote as he damned well pleases!

And, just so you know, I disagree with his choice to not vote for lesser evils in GENERAL elections and have told him so. I don't have to beat him about the head and shoulders over that one thing for years!  I also FULLY understand WHY he feels as he does about Republicans as I share most of those feelings myself!
@Bigun, I fully understand @roamer_1 ‘s gripe and agree with its basis - IMO nearly all of us do.Just don’t blame me and my votes for all the leftist sh*t going on right now. Perhaps it shouldn’t but that charge really punches my button.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 02, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
SOME, admittedly not very much, of the debate here IS genuine @Right_in_Virginia but I do find very few here who wish to discuss ANY policy issue in a serious manner.  Thinking about giving myself a LONG timeout for that reason alone.

I'd like more policy discussion, too @Bigun   Lord knows the Marxists are throwing everything against the wall --- and some of that shit is going to stick. 

I'm also scanning for counter-proposals or lines in the sand from our side of the aisle.  There just aren't any.  THIS is damn frustrating.  But, I'll keep looking and will ping you to what I find.

I hope you don't take a LONG timeout ... but I understand why the thought is attractive.  Start with a weekend off and take a peek on Monday.   happy77
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 02:54:00 PM
@Bigun, I fully understand @roamer_1 ‘s gripe and agree with its basis - IMO nearly all of us do.Just don’t blame me and my votes for all the leftist sh*t going on right now. Perhaps it shouldn’t but that charge really punches my button.

 :yowsa: I can see that as well @skeeter We ALL need to try and keep ourselves more under control.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 02, 2021, 02:57:49 PM
You've been sitting in the same place as the world passes you by. You stand for nothing so just sit there and STFU.

Ahem!   *look*
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
@Bigun, I fully understand @roamer_1 ‘s gripe and agree with its basis - IMO nearly all of us do.Just don’t blame me and my votes for all the leftist sh*t going on right now. Perhaps it shouldn’t but that charge really punches my button.

How is it any different than blaming me for NOT voting for Democrats OR Republicans? I literally had *NO* part in it either way. But it's all my fault. Figger that one out.

And where DOES the fault belong if not squarely on the Republicans?
It is the Republicans that are charged with defending.
It is the Republicans that are supposed to be Conservative.

And it is the Republicans that have FAILED to offer any resistance.
Would that y'all were as concerned when Republicans held all three houses, or even two, and didn't do a damn thing to buttress against this day. Not a single win. And to make it worse, the ball moved LEFT in that time, not to the Right.

If I am hard on y'all it is only to break this insane fixation on what the Democrats are doing instead of looking to your OWN HOUSE. How the hell do you fight THEM without first minding your own gates and filling your own armories and training up your own troops?

Y'all ain't fighting a damn thing because you can't.
You're standing on nothing. You are betrayed and you don't even know it.
Your party has been taken from you years ago, and its masters do the OPPOSITE of what you stand for.
And y'all vote for MORE.

I WILL NOT vote for more.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Killer Clouds on April 02, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
How is it any different than blaming me for NOT voting for Democrats OR Republicans? I literally had *NO* part in it either way. But it's all my fault. Figger that one out.

And where DOES the fault belong if not squarely on the Republicans?
It is the Republicans that are charged with defending.
It is the Republicans that are supposed to be Conservative.

And it is the Republicans that have FAILED to offer any resistance.
Would that y'all were as concerned when Republicans held all three houses, or even two, and didn't do a damn thing to buttress against this day. Not a single win. And to make it worse, the ball moved LEFT in that time, not to the Right.

If I am hard on y'all it is only to break this insane fixation on what the Democrats are doing instead of looking to your OWN HOUSE. How the hell do you fight THEM without first minding your own gates and filling your own armories and training up your own troops?

Y'all ain't fighting a damn thing because you can't.
You're standing on nothing. You are betrayed and you don't even know it.
Your party has been taken from you years ago, and its masters do the OPPOSITE of what you stand for.
And y'all vote for MORE.

I WILL NOT vote for more.
If you don't vote you have no say about it. Since you don't stand for anything just sit there in your land of Make Believe and fantasize about your utopia with your demonrat brethren. You're just as bad if not worse than they are. You spout off about repulicants doing nothing but they are doing more than you.
NO VOTE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! Your views of politics are delusional at best.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: skeeter on April 02, 2021, 03:33:32 PM
How is it any different than blaming me for NOT voting for Democrats OR Republicans? I literally had *NO* part in it either way. But it's all my fault. Figger that one out.
I’ve never said that

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And where DOES the fault belong if not squarely on the Republicans?
It is the Republicans that are charged with defending.
It is the Republicans that are supposed to be Conservative.
blame does belong on the GOP, almost as much as it belongs on that rats.

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And it is the Republicans that have FAILED to offer any resistance.
Would that y'all were as concerned when Republicans held all three houses, or even two, and didn't do a damn thing to buttress against this day. Not a single win. And to make it worse, the ball moved LEFT in that time, not to the Right.
Agree.

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If I am hard on y'all it is only to break this insane fixation on what the Democrats are doing instead of looking to your OWN HOUSE. How the hell do you fight THEM without first minding your own gates and filling your own armories and training up your own troops?
yeah I get that but taking swimming lessons isn’t an answer to the immediate prospect of drowning.

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Y'all ain't fighting a damn thing because you can't.
You're standing on nothing. You are betrayed and you don't even know it.
Your party has been taken from you years ago, and its masters do the OPPOSITE of what you stand for. And y'all vote for MORE.
yes it was. Was it stolen from us when you were still voting Republican? Then you are as culpable as I.

This was the reason millions including myself supported a guy whom the party clearly despised & refused to support, who’s election caused an upheaval in DC and who did everything within his power to steer this nation back from the brink.

We’ll just have to accept that we disagree on Trumps tenure and RESPECT each other’s POV.

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I WILL NOT vote for more.
Neither will I vote for any candidate in any party who, in my best estimation, does not represent my ideals, fully realizing the perfect candidate does not exist.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
You may be sick of it @Bigun but @roamer_1 thrives on it ---  and has a knack for sucking the oxygen out of most every thread remotely focused on politics.


I don't like it @Right_in_Virginia. and the reason I thrive is because I have been knee deep in sh*t all my life, so the silly sh*t slung at me here has no effect.

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But it's really just another phase in Brieferville history.  In my case, as recently as last evening, I finally understood that the debate wasn't genuine and further discussion would be counterproductive and a waste of time.  So I think all of this, too, will pass as more folks come to this understanding.

Have a wonderful weekend.  :beer:

Oh the debate is genuine alright. And I am deadly serious about it.
But I am standing on the truth, and there ain't a dang thing you can do about it.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 03:44:28 PM
What to do about elections where more people vote than there are people? We don't need no steenkin' elections.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 03:50:41 PM
If you don't vote you have no say about it.

Where does it say that? Is that in the Constitution somewhere?

As a point of order, I did not vote this time around because it turns out I was de-registered. I don't have a mailbox, and since they attempted to mail a ballot to my address that came back, they de-registered me. And there was not a damn thing to be done about it. I was disenfranchised, i did not 'not vote'.

That being said, I would not have voted for your fetid prince anyway. I was going to vote CP, and be sure to withhold my endorsement from Daines (R) who voted FOR every boondoggle spending bill. I had helped to get him in, so I'll take him out.

So in the main, my non-vote had much the same effect as my vote would have.

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Since you don't stand for anything just sit there in your land of Make Believe and fantasize about your utopia with your demonrat brethren. You're just as bad if not worse than they are. You spout off about repulicants doing nothing but they are doing more than you.
NO VOTE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! Your views of politics are delusional at best.

My views on politics were mainstream Conservative not very long ago. That you don't know that shows more about how far the Republicans have fallen than it does about me.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
If you don't vote you have no say about it. Since you don't stand for anything just sit there in your land of Make Believe and fantasize about your utopia with your demonrat brethren. You're just as bad if not worse than they are. You spout off about repulicants doing nothing but they are doing more than you.
NO VOTE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! Your views of politics are delusional at best.

Slow down turbo.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 03:58:04 PM
I vote or don't vote for whom ever I want. Doesn't mean that gives anyone in office a blank check. Nor does it mean I don't get to be a bitch.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 04:54:35 PM
I’ve never said that

I will accept that... Though it is hard for me to tell - I have received it from every direction, and I am sorry to have lumped you in that.

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yeah I get that but taking swimming lessons isn’t an answer to the immediate prospect of drowning.

That is the illusion alright. The desperation manufactured every election that assures you will vote for anything other than Democrats. That's how they get you to eat the sh*t sandwich every time.

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yes it was. Was it stolen from us when you were still voting Republican? Then you are as culpable as I.

Exactly so - But I am doing something about it. I will vote for it no more. I will seek its alternative where possible, but I will not blindly give it power, regardless of the consequence.

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This was the reason millions including myself supported a guy whom the party clearly despised & refused to support, who’s election caused an upheaval in DC and who did everything within his power to steer this nation back from the brink.


A fruitless venture, as predicted. following after princes is a useless proposition, which now stands evident. You win nothing without control of the machine... and that does not happen for populist princes. That much is not Tumpy's fault - But it is what it is.

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We’ll just have to accept that we disagree on Trumps tenure and RESPECT each other’s POV.
Neither will I vote for any candidate in any party who, in my best estimation, does not represent my ideals, fully realizing the perfect candidate does not exist.

As for Tump's tenure - Of course I respect your point of view - You are among a small handful here that I do respect natively - You've got your bones. But I will not relent on the results which were entirely predicted... That y'all raised up a hero to go fight the mighty dragon was just never going to work in the first place. That only works in fairy tales. IRL, dragons eat heroes for a mid morning snack.

Historically, populist distractions are what counter and curtail actual movement to the right... Just as the Tump movement derailed the TEA party at it's zenith - Nearly eight years of work down the drain. And now we are back to a leftward swing with the Moderates STILL in control of Republican power... And all the air is let out f the Conservatives and they are left as the bag-holder in the thing they didn't even do.

But that is how you win. Remove the Moderates from power and place Conservatives instead. OR ground-up new party. That is the only choices that there ever were, and Tumpy as an interloper only distracted from that. That is not a point of view. That is a after-action report tied to a strategic prediction.

All y'all HAVE TO keep the arrow in the doghouse and stop being waylaid by fear and shiny sh*t.

Whatever the dems do this time around does not matter anywhere near as much as what y'all do the next time around. That may suck, but it is true. and it is only going to get suckier if y'all don't make it happen.


Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:00:20 PM
My dad said the shitshow was on and the American Dream dead when JFK died. Tell me he was wrong.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:01:32 PM
Nor does it mean I don't get to be a bitch.

In the end, you've gotta do what you're good at  :beer: :seeya:
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:03:05 PM
My dad said the shitshow was on and the American Dream dead when JFK died. Tell me he was wrong.

From where I stand, it ended the moment Reagan's left foot crossed the threshold of the White House for the last time.  :shrug:
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:04:24 PM
Except Tom Freaking 'The Hammer' Delay...
That guy got the motor running.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
In the end, you've gotta do what you're good at  :beer: :seeya:

I am a crack shot. Especially with neutron bombs. But I abide the law there.  Still wouldn't mind a small NB, just in case, ya know?
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 05:06:16 PM
Except Tom Freaking 'The Hammer' Delay...
That guy got the motor running.

Do you know what he did for a living before he got elected to congress @roamer_1 ?
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: skeeter on April 02, 2021, 05:06:22 PM
I will accept that... Though it is hard for me to tell - I have received it from every direction, and I am sorry to have lumped you in that.

That is the illusion alright. The desperation manufactured every election that assures you will vote for anything other than Democrats. That's how they get you to eat the sh*t sandwich every time.

Exactly so - But I am doing something about it. I will vote for it no more. I will seek its alternative where possible, but I will not blindly give it power, regardless of the consequence.

A fruitless venture, as predicted. following after princes is a useless proposition, which now stands evident. You win nothing without control of the machine... and that does not happen for populist princes. That much is not Tumpy's fault - But it is what it is.

As for Tump's tenure - Of course I respect your point of view - You are among a small handful here that I do respect natively - You've got your bones. But I will not relent on the results which were entirely predicted... That y'all raised up a hero to go fight the mighty dragon was just never going to work in the first place. That only works in fairy tales. IRL, dragons eat heroes for a mid morning snack.

Historically, populist distractions are what counter and curtail actual movement to the right... Just as the Tump movement derailed the TEA party at it's zenith - Nearly eight years of work down the drain. And now we are back to a leftward swing with the Moderates STILL in control of Republican power... And all the air is let out f the Conservatives and they are left as the bag-holder in the thing they didn't even do.

But that is how you win. Remove the Moderates from power and place Conservatives instead. OR ground-up new party. That is the only choices that there ever were, and Tumpy as an interloper only distracted from that. That is not a point of view. That is a after-action report tied to a strategic prediction.

All y'all HAVE TO keep the arrow in the doghouse and stop being waylaid by fear and shiny sh*t.

Whatever the dems do this time around does not matter anywhere near as much as what y'all do the next time around. That may suck, but it is true. and it is only going to get suckier if y'all don't make it happen.
OK. I'll only add that the Tea Party was dead long before Trump came along. See Paul Friggen Ryan.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: skeeter on April 02, 2021, 05:06:56 PM
Do you know what he did for a living before he got elected to congress @roamer_1 ?
He crushed termites.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:07:47 PM
From where I stand, it ended the moment Reagan's left foot crossed the threshold of the White House for the last time.  :shrug:

Trickle down didn't work for everyone. Not from my POV. I voted for him twice. Still had my gripes.

Don't they brag that clinton left money in the bank when traitor Bush took the reign?
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 05:09:57 PM
He crushed termites.

 :yowsa: along with Cockroaches and all manner of other vermin. They HAD to get rid of him!
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:10:18 PM
He crushed termites.

Is  that why we don't have termlimits?
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:13:05 PM
Do you know what he did for a living before he got elected to congress @roamer_1 ?

@Bigun

Yeah... He was an exterminator. Exactly the tool for the task. And MAN! Did he rock da house.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:17:16 PM
OK. I'll only add that the Tea Party was dead long before Trump came along. See Paul Friggen Ryan.

That part ain't right - You ain't looking nowhere deep enough. TEA Party started from the ground up. The assault came right from the precincts... Overturning counties, state houses and governors... You keep hitting on that and you'll get Conservatives into the federal level, sooner or later. And that is how it is done. And if it is going to happen again, that is how it will be done. Paul friggin Ryan or not.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:20:47 PM
Trickle down didn't work for everyone. Not from my POV. I voted for him twice. Still had my gripes.

TRUE. Me too. But he still did more and left more legacy than any president ever in my lifetime.

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Don't they brag that clinton left money in the bank when traitor Bush took the reign?

YEP. and Clinton gets that credit... Because the Conservatives took over in '94 and made it run right in spite of him.

Conservatives came closer right there to a balanced budget than any time since.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: DB on April 02, 2021, 05:23:22 PM
You're the one that lives in the land of Make Believe. We don't always get to vote for what we want so we have to vote for the lesser of two evils. When you stay seated like you do we end up with your buddies the demonrats in office. So you're the one that is actually voting for big government libby. When you don't vote you have no say.

Make believe is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Or is that insanity...
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:25:31 PM
Tom Delay...

God bless Texas.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 05:27:27 PM
@Bigun

Yeah... He was an exterminator. Exactly the tool for the task. And MAN! Did he rock da house.

 :yowsa: BTW: I was sitting in the living room of my friend's house the night it was decided that we were going to send Tom to Washington. 

That was indeed a home run.  (My batting average is about .200 now)
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:29:21 PM
TRUE. Me too. But he still did more and left more legacy than any president ever in my lifetime.

YEP. and Clinton gets that credit... Because the Conservatives took over in '94 and made it run right in spite of him.

Conservatives came closer right there to a balanced budget than any time since.


I know that. At least clinton could work with Conservatives.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:31:01 PM
:yowsa: BTW: I was sitting in the living room of my friend's house the night it was decided that we were going to send Tom to Washington. 

That was indeed a home run.  (My batting average is about .200 now)

At least you still have a batting average instead of stuck in bat shit crazy.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
:yowsa: BTW: I was sitting in the living room of my friend's house the night it was decided that we were going to send Tom to Washington. 

That was indeed a home run.  (My batting average is about .200 now)

@Bigun
If you know the man, shake his hand for me, and tell him there's a dumb ol hillbilly up in Montana that still thinks of him... And thank him for toeing the dang line, even when it was hard. I would have made him president if I'd have got the chance. That's one rough barked ol bastard that don't move.

And you know that ain't no faint praise coming from me.  :beer:
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:40:18 PM
I know that. At least clinton could work with Conservatives.

... and that's why the credit is due him. He gets his share because his name is on it.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2021, 05:42:15 PM
If you know the man, shake his hand for me, and tell him there's a dumb ol hillbilly up in Montana that still thinks of him... And thank him for toeing the dang line, even when it was hard. I would have made him president if I'd have got the chance. That's one rough barked ol bastard that don't move.

And you know that ain't no faint praise coming from me.  :beer:

I haven't spoken with him for some time now but if I do see him I will certainly pass your regards on.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 05:44:06 PM
... and that's why the credit is due him. He gets his share because his name is on it.

zighns the papers old man
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: roamer_1 on April 02, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
I haven't spoken with him for some time now but if I do see him I will certainly pass your regards on.

 :beer:
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 10:27:03 PM
ABSOLUTELY!
I hope you don't mind if I quote that.

@Killer Clouds

Quote away!
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: sneakypete on April 02, 2021, 10:33:27 PM
My dad said the shitshow was on and the American Dream dead when JFK died. Tell me he was wrong.

@bigheadfred

Ok,you are wrong.

The best thing JFK ever did was die. It's just a damn shame he didn't take Teddy with him to keep him company.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
@bigheadfred

Ok,you are wrong.

The best thing JFK ever did was die. It's just a damn shame he didn't take Teddy with him to keep him company.

Funny how that all worked out.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Sled Dog on April 04, 2021, 02:41:09 AM
I know that. At least clinton could work with Conservatives.

You mean like vetoing the welfare reform bill twice before finally signing it simply because it was an election year?

That Rapist did almost nothing that was good for America.   He taught the Chinese communists how to MIRV warheads, for example.   He murdered 83 Americans in Waco.  He let Bin Laden go, thus allowing 9-11 to happen.  He corrupted the federal government thoroughly.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: Sled Dog on April 04, 2021, 02:44:32 AM
My dad said the shitshow was on and the American Dream dead when JFK died. Tell me he was wrong.

He was wrong.

The American dream died when FDR, a socialist, implemented all those unconstitutional "reforms" that hurt America, like his Socialist Security Ponzi Scheme and making the taxpayer liable for private loan guarantees.

JFK was just a callow boob totally out of his depth and should never have been elected.   The one good thing he did do that doesn't get mention by the Rodents is his tax cuts.  Those worked to grow the economy, of course.
Title: Re: For Senate Democrats, passing gun control might be impossible, even without the filibuster
Post by: christian on April 05, 2021, 01:02:08 AM
How did NEVERTRUMPER, vilify and revile Trump, forget about democrats, they get a pass during the election.  How is the situation now passed off as seeing one side no different than the other ?  Is hitlery amnesia and co-vid combining here on this website?  This B.S. shifting goes unnoticed ?