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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Concerned on September 11, 2017, 02:18:53 pm
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Can anyone explain why President Trump decided to abandon his pledge to propose a Constitution Amendment for Term Limits on Congress within the first 100 days? Based on his many attacks on Congress and Congressmen, I don’t think it can be fear of alienating Congress. This promise was literally the very first measure in his 100 Day Plan “to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC”. In fact, he pledged:
“FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;”
Proposing this was 100% within his control, and this was his promise to the American people and part of his 100 Day Plan. He didn’t need Congress or even the states to draft this. He could propose it and use the bully pulpit of his office to hammer home the importance of term limits in “draining the swamp”. Instead he uses the bully pulpit of the Presidency in attempts to settle personal scores, name-call members of Congress (include his own party), and attack the media. I’d much prefer he spend his time lobbying two-thirds of the states to call for a Constitutional Convention to consider the Constitutional Amendment he promised to propose (it seems obvious the US Congress won’t propose it). So, any theories on why he didn’t propose this Constitutional Amendment that I think would significantly help to “drain the swamp”?
His 100 Day Plan can be found here: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
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Bump. Nobody has a theory on this? Was it just an outright lie from the git-go? Did he cave to pressure from Congress? Did he not understand the Constitutional Amendment process? Has he changed his mind and now thinks that the swamp doesn’t really need draining? What’s the explanation because I just don’t get it? Drafting and proposing this amendment was 100% within his control. He did a lot of other things on his 100 Day Plan that were within his control but why not pursue the very first item on his list? Addressing this issue is one of the most important things I think that needs to be done. What happened?
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He's been busy enough without that.
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Bump. Nobody has a theory on this? Was it just an outright lie from the git-go? Did he cave to pressure from Congress? Did he not understand the Constitutional Amendment process? Has he changed his mind and now thinks that the swamp doesn’t really need draining? What’s the explanation because I just don’t get it? Drafting and proposing this amendment was 100% within his control. He did a lot of other things on his 100 Day Plan that were within his control but why not pursue the very first item on his list? Addressing this issue is one of the most important things I think that needs to be done. What happened?
Art. Of. The. Deal.
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Bump. Was it just an outright lie from the git-go?
Yes. One of many.
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Art. Of. The. Deal.
Norman Vincent Peale (1898-1983) was his beloved Mothers favorite Preacher, He wrote 'Art of Living', if I'm not mistaken, just coincidence, perhaps.
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Norman Vincent Peale (1898-1983) was his beloved Mothers favorite Preacher, He wrote 'Art of Living', if I'm not mistaken, just coincidence, perhaps.
Hmmm...that just made me think...
Interestingly, psychologist Albert Ellis wrote against Norman Vincent Peale's techniques, arguing that they could lead to Cluster B personality disorder. He treated several former Peale adherents.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a Cluster B disorder like Borderline Personality Disorder. Is that where Trump got his mental illness?
Huh...I just did a search, and it looks like we're not the first to make that connection:
http://www.revelist.com/politics/donald-trump-cult/5232/peale-instructed-readers-that-if-they-wished-for-something-they-wanted-they-would-receive-it--but-only-if-they-ignored-all-negative-thoughts/1
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Hmmm...that just made me think...
Interestingly, psychologist Albert Ellis wrote against Norman Vincent Peale's techniques, arguing that they could lead to Cluster B personality disorder. He treated several former Peale adherents.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a Cluster B disorder like Borderline Personality Disorder. Is that where Trump got his mental illness?
Huh...I just did a search, and it looks like we're not the first to make that connection:
http://www.revelist.com/politics/donald-trump-cult/5232/peale-instructed-readers-that-if-they-wished-for-something-they-wanted-they-would-receive-it--but-only-if-they-ignored-all-negative-thoughts/1
@corbe @Suppressed
I think you two landed on something...
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Ok, in order the Constitution to be amended it has to pass 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of all states. Basically DOA.
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Ok, in order the Constitution to be amended it has to pass 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of all states. Basically DOA.
So apparently you think Trump's promise was DOA when he proposed it in November. Do you think that was that out of ignorance or was it intentional on his part?
Trump's promise wasn't to amend the Constitution; it was to propose the Amendment. That is 100% within his control. It's not at all clear to me that a Term Limit Amendment, proposed by the President of the United States and sold from the bully pulpit of the President of the United States (especially once who is a great salesmen) would be DOA with the states. By lobbying the states and getting 2/3 of the states on board, the amendment can be officially proposed through a Constitutional Convention. It then requires 3/4 of the states to approve it.
https://usconstitution.net/constam.html
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He 'can' do it. However, based on recent behaviors, I question whether or not he still 'wants' to do it.
Somebody got to him. Somebody, some group, some thing, turned him and brought him 'in line' with the D.C. established order. If anyone can overcome the political pressures to 'conform', I vote and voted that Trump can beat it.
I am waiting and watching. We shall see.
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Ok, in order the Constitution to be amended it has to pass 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of all states. Basically DOA.
Thank you.
It's a waste of time.
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Thank you.
It's a waste of time.
Yup, just like bringing up the repeal of the Electoral College.
ETA for clarification: Trump's "promise" to propose the amendment was political puffery, aka bull$hit for the masses.
The core, the epicenter of Trump's being is whatever makes him look good. If truth or integrity become casualties while making a deal, so be it. Trump supporters will give him a pass, citing the inevitability of collateral damage in Making America Great Again.
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Thank you.
It's a waste of time.
In that case, I think it’s a real shame we have a President apparently incapable of distinguishing good proposals from “wastes of time”. Strike that. It’s not a shame. I find it alarming. After all, he's the one who promised to propose the Constitutional Amendment.
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So apparently you think Trump's promise was DOA when he proposed it in November. Do you think that was that out of ignorance or was it intentional on his part?
Trump's promise wasn't to amend the Constitution; it was to propose the Amendment. That is 100% within his control. It's not at all clear to me that a Term Limit Amendment, proposed by the President of the United States and sold from the bully pulpit of the President of the United States (especially once who is a great salesmen) would be DOA with the states. By lobbying the states and getting 2/3 of the states on board, the amendment can be officially proposed through a Constitutional Convention. It then requires 3/4 of the states to approve it.
https://usconstitution.net/constam.html (https://usconstitution.net/constam.html)
He is not going to do it if there are no votes. Sorry..
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Ok, in order the Constitution to be amended it has to pass 2/3 of both houses and 3/4 of all states. Basically DOA.
Totally false.
It takes none of that to propose an amendment -- something he promised.
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Totally false.
It takes none of that to propose an amendment -- something he promised.
@Suppressed
Did you vote for Donald Trump? No??
So...any 'promise' he made wasn't meant for you.
Ergo.... what's your ###king problem?
We all 'know' that the reason he caved on this is because he's not planning on ever leaving. /s
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@Suppressed
Did you vote for Donald Trump? No??
So...any 'promise' he made wasn't meant for you.
Ergo.... what's your ###king problem?
We all 'know' that the reason he caved on this is because he's not planning on ever leaving. /s
Oh, that's right... I remember that you never criticized Obama because you didn't vote for him. /s
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@Suppressed
Did you vote for Donald Trump? No??
So...any 'promise' he made wasn't meant for you.
Ergo.... what's your ###king problem?
We all 'know' that the reason he caved on this is because he's not planning on ever leaving. /s
Trump made the "promise" to the American people. I humbly suggest you and President Trump start considering the necessity to expand your base, instead of shrinking it. 40% won't get the job done in 2020.
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Oh, that's right... I remember that you never criticized Obama because you didn't vote for him. /s
Forget it, he's on a roll.
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If Trump had proposed that amendment then he'd be denounced as a hollow, insincere, pandering, narcissistic, NY liberal floating meaningless proposals to sucker the rubes stuck on the stupid of his being the Orange God.
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If this idea is so obviously “DOA”, has “no votes”, is “a waste of time”, and means he’ll be “denounced”, why did he promise to propose the amendment mere weeks before the election? I’m starting to think Night Hides Not has it right when he says: “Trump's "promise" to propose the amendment was political puffery, aka bull$hit for the masses”. If there’s another explanation for why he proposed it, I’d love to hear it.
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It's become increasingly obvious now that no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, there's a contingent on the left and on the right who will unceasingly criticize him.
Best he ignore nattering nabobs and move forward with his agenda.
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It's become increasingly obvious now that no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, there's a contingent on the left and on the right who will unceasingly criticize him.
Best he ignore nattering nabobs and move forward with his agenda.
Well, I’m certainly not in this contingent you refer to. When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I praise him. Gorsuch appears to be a great pick (but it’s still early). I love what the President is doing on regulations. The hurricane responses have been right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet. He seems to be serious about fixing the VA. That’s long overdue. That’s certainly not “unceasingly critical”.
Likewise, when he does something I don’t like, I let that be known too (as it should be IMO). I hate the continuation of deficit spending and his unwillingness to aggressively attack the debt. I hate the broken, major campaign promises like proposing a Constitutional Amendment on term limits, “Lock her up”, and Mexico paying for the wall.
Term limits and the debt are two of my top issues. He promised to propose a Constitutional Amendment on Term Limits within the first 100 Days. He promised it. I didn’t. That was 100% within his control. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to call him on it when he doesn’t do it, and nor do I think it’s unreasonable to ask why he proposed it in the first place if it's obviously not something he'd actually do.
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It's become increasingly obvious now that no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, there's a contingent on the left and on the right who will unceasingly criticize him.
Best he ignore nattering nabobs and move forward with his agenda.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is Trump's agenda, now that he's snuggled up to Chuck and Nancy?
One needs a scorecard to keep up with the seemingly daily shifts in policy.
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In that case, I think it’s a real shame we have a President apparently incapable of distinguishing good proposals from “wastes of time”.
Oh, :bs:
The President is simply replacing the impossible with the possible. It's called "the primary". 88devil
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Oh, :bs:
The President is simply replacing the impossible with the possible. It's called "the primary". 88devil
Forgive me, but I'm not following what you're saying relative to proposing a Constitutional Amendment for term limits. Several have said this is a "waste of time" (aka impossible). If you're arguing that he's "simply replacing the impossible with the possible" on this Constitution Amendment, please explain how. Thanks in advance.
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This is manufactured drama queen outrage. All he can do is propose it, and give to Congress to do something with it. After that it's out of his hands.
Being that Congress isn't doing anything anyway with higher priority stuff, it seems unlikely they'll do much with lower priority stuff. Not to mention they are unlikely to vote themselves out of a job.
Either this guy has an agenda, or he's a political rube.
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This is manufactured drama queen outrage. All he can do is propose it, and give to Congress to do something with it. After that it's out of his hands.
Being that Congress isn't doing anything anyway with higher priority stuff, it seems unlikely they'll do much with lower priority stuff. Not to mention they are unlikely to vote themselves out of a job.
Either this guy has an agenda, or he's a political rube.
The question is, why did he claim that was the first thing he was going to do? Did he know it was ridiculous at the time, and he just realized his supporters are clueless (i.e., he played them)? Or was he too clueless to realize it was stupid to promise realistically?
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The question is, why did he claim that was the first thing he was going to do? Did he know it was ridiculous at the time, and he just realized his supporters are clueless (i.e., he played them)? Or was he too clueless to realize it was stupid to promise realistically?
Who knows. For me it's just too low of a priority to make an issue over it.
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Forgive me, but I'm not following what you're saying ....
Yes, I know. :seeya:
@Concerned
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Yes, I know. :seeya:
@Concerned
I'm interested in other perspectives and would very much appreciate you explaining what you were saying relative to this proposed Constitutional Amendment. Of course, if you're unable or unwilling to do so (for whatever reason), there's not much I can do about it, but I'll still wish you a nice day!
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Trump made the "promise" to the American people. I humbly suggest you and President Trump start considering the necessity to expand your base, instead of shrinking it. 40% won't get the job done in 2020.
NeverTrumper have made themselves politically irrelevant. No one cares what NeverTrumpers have to say, since they have made it crystal clear that no matter what Trump does or does not do they are going to find fault and continue their two year long assault on all things Trump.
Right now Trump has a full plate battling the anti-Trump forces (Rats, GOPe and NTers), dealing with a do nothing Congress and a partisan Special Console conducting a witch hunt trying to bring him down. This Trump supporter is willing to cut him some slack on something that was going nowhere anyway.
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NeverTrumper have made themselves politically irrelevant. No one cares what NeverTrumpers have to say, since they have made it crystal clear that no matter what Trump does or does not do they are going to find fault and continue their two year long assault on all things Trump.
Right now Trump has a full plate battling the anti-Trump forces (Rats, GOPe and NTers), dealing with a do nothing Congress and a partisan Special Console conducting a witch hunt trying to bring him down. This Trump supporter is willing to cut him some slack on something that was going nowhere anyway.
It has become abundantly clear that Trumpsters will cut Trump slack on anything and everything.
I hope the Secret Service is on the lookout for the Special Consoles that you identified.
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It's become increasingly obvious now that no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, there's a contingent on the left and on the right who will unceasingly criticize him.
Best he ignore nattering nabobs and move forward with his agenda.
... but this was part of his first 100 days agenda.
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It's become increasingly obvious now that no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, there's a contingent on the left and on the right who will unceasingly criticize him.
Best he ignore nattering nabobs and move forward with his agenda.
That would be nice....except for the fact that nobody can figure out what his "real" agenda is at this point. You know.... the agenda he acts on, not the one he merely talks about.