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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:38:03 pm
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The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
Caleb Howe
November 14, 2017
..............The consequences of a Moore win would play out across the GOP. And to what end? You may think you are preserving a particular number of votes, but that’s not so if you’re tanking other races. Every Senator will have to answer for Moore now. Already. How much worse will that be if he sits?
And how much worse are we if he sits and then even more comes out? If he turns out to be guilty as sin. What are we, then?
Ann Coulter and National Review agree on something. They want a write-in opponent for Moore. Two opposite ends of the GOP spectrum with the same notion. For my part, I’m with them both. Let’s run someone against him or in place of him. Now. Before it’s too late.
The fiction is that Roy Moore wins and all this goes away. The truth is, it’s Moore that needs to go away.
https://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/11/14/truths-fictions-roy-moore-debacle/
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The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
Caleb Howe
November 14, 2017
..............The consequences of a Moore win would play out across the GOP. And to what end? You may think you are preserving a particular number of votes, but that’s not so if you’re tanking other races. Every Senator will have to answer for Moore now. Already. How much worse will that be if he sits?
And how much worse are we if he sits and then even more comes out? If he turns out to be guilty as sin. What are we, then?
Ann Coulter and National Review agree on something. They want a write-in opponent for Moore. Two opposite ends of the GOP spectrum with the same notion. For my part, I’m with them both. Let’s run someone against him or in place of him. Now. Before it’s too late.
The fiction is that Roy Moore wins and all this goes away. The truth is, it’s Moore that needs to go away.
https://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/11/14/truths-fictions-roy-moore-debacle/
Nice sermon. Did he preach that at church last Sunday?
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The author makes a crucial misstep and assumes that Moore stepping aside (which, as I've noted, he can't actually do) would prevent the Democrats from trying to tie the GOP to Moore. They will anyway. It's what they do.
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..............The consequences of a Moore win would play out across the GOP. And to what end? You may think you are preserving a particular number of votes, but that’s not so if you’re tanking other races. Every Senator will have to answer for Moore now. Already. How much worse will that be if he sits?
I call BS. The Democrats don't have to answer for Bob Menendez. They never had to answer for Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, and their waitress sandwiches. They didn't have to answer for the lies of Susan Rice or for Loretta Lynch obstructing justice. So why are Democrats now trying to apply a standard to Republicans that they themselves don't believe in?
Maybe if they were to apply this standard to Menendez, then and only then would they have a valid point. But they don't. Lying hypocrites, one and all.
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The author makes a crucial misstep and assumes that Moore stepping aside (which, as I've noted, he can't actually do) would prevent the Democrats from trying to tie the GOP to Moore. They will anyway. It's what they do.
Nonsense. If they force him out, he's neutralized as a campaign issue.
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I call BS. The Democrats don't have to answer for Bob Menendez. They never had to answer for Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, and their waitress sandwiches. They didn't have to answer for the lies of Susan Rice or for Loretta Lynch obstructing justice. So why are Democrats now trying to apply a standard to Republicans that they themselves don't believe in?
Maybe if they were to apply this standard to Menendez, then and only then would they have a valid point. But they don't. Lying hypocrites, one and all.
If Menendez is convicted, he will have to resign. If he's not, he's cleared.
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If Menendez is convicted, he will have to resign. If he's not, he's cleared.
If Moore is convicted, he will have to resign. If he's not, he's cleared.
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The state, I don't care if it is Hawaii or California or Alabama or Delaware, there is probably limited importance in outsiders coming in and telling you what is going on...maybe we've even had that for a few years with Menendez, I've heard people say "oh that so and so" but it's really about that state and I definitely don't like some of Menendez's views on the issues.
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Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED
The sevens in 1977 to the right of “Christmas,” are very different from the sevens in the date (12-22-77) above “Old Hickory House.”
“Look at the two versions of the number “7,” tweeted Wictor.
“”12-22-77” and “Olde Hickory House” were written by a different person,” he added.
Next, Wictor points out “the “R” and “y” in “Roy,”” are not written the same way.
The inflection of the “Y” is more pronounced in Moore’ signature as Chief Justice. The “R” is noticeably longer in the signature of Chief Justice, as well.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/]
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Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/]
Wow. The way the link reads it's as if they contend the analyst is fake. That is NOT what the article says,so I thought I'd clarify that. The article title:
IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED
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Signed in December?
Yearbooks are published at the end of the school year: summer.
Christmas is the MIDDLE of the school year.
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Signed in December?
Yearbooks are published at the end of the school year: summer.
Christmas is the MIDDLE of the school year.
Supposedly on Dec. 22, 1977. Most schools are out for Christmas break, or were then. I know because my birthday was never celebrated at school for that reason.
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Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.
What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.
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BREAKING: Roy Moore Farted In Church; Blames Pastor.
Details at 11.
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Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.
What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.
Total bullcrap.
My dad sparked my mother in his late 20's she was 17 when they married. And that is in no wise uncommon in that generation.
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Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.
What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.
Sheeeesh!
My grandfather married my grandmother when she was 16, and they remained married until his death in the '80s, and raised four fine kids.
He faces one claim by one girl under the age of consent at the time of the alleged incident. one. All else were old enough to make their decisions. "Teenager" includes people old enough to enter contracts, marry without permission from anyone, vote for Senators, and serve in the Armed Forces. At the time, it also included people old enough to drink beer and wine (just not in that county, which was dry).
The demographics of small town has been explained--Go to West Point, serve two tours in the Army, go to Law School, and then come back home (estimated 10 years minimum) and tell me how many in your age group are 'eligible'. Not much left besides rejects, retreads, and the town pump. You look older, and the same problem as the age group, which leaves younger prospects, above the age of consent, which, in case you forgot is (and was) 16. He had the permission and blessing of parents, even. This isn't some pedo in a trench coat hanging around the elementary school like WaPo and the rest of the liberals are trying to paint it.
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Total bullcrap.
My dad sparked my mother in his late 20's she was 17 when they married. And that is in no wise uncommon in that generation.
Did your dad also stalk teenage girls at their local hangout? Was your dad on a "warning list" of men skulking after young flesh?
If no, while we all rejoice in your parent's marriage it hasn't a damn thing to do with Moore's situation.
If yes, thank the Lord your father didn't end up in jail .... or worse.
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Did your dad also stalk teenage girls at their local hangout? Was your dad on a "warning list" of men skulking after young flesh?
More bullcrap. There is NO evidence of stalking, and there is NO evidence of his being on any warning list. Hearsay and gossip. That's all you've got.
As I said before:
The Lord hates a waggin tongue.
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More bullcrap. There is NO evidence of stalking, and there is NO evidence of his being on any warning list. Hearsay and gossip. That's all you've got.
As I said before:
The Lord hates a waggin tongue.
A lot has been revealed and the usual suspects have proven their predictability yet again.
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A lot has been revealed and the usual suspects have proven their predictability yet again.
Some of it I understand - A knee-jerk reaction to sympathize with the poor women... But there is a reason why that isn't enough. PROOF is the standard, and always should be.
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More bullcrap. There is NO evidence of stalking, and there is NO evidence of his being on any warning list. Hearsay and gossip. .
Whatever helps you through the night @roamer_1 ...
We will agree to disagree.
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A lot has been revealed and the usual suspects have proven their predictability yet again.
Are you referring to Ted Cruz?
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Are you referring to Ted Cruz?
No.
You.
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In that Yearbook that he purposively signed was a picture of his future wife, according to some.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOoX9L-W0AABxMT.jpg)
Kayla Kisor
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No.
You.
But I agree with Ted Cruz on this @INVAR
Do you?
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Speaking of "truth" and "fictions", why does some of the ink here appear to be of a different color...?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOjAmMWX4AAKs0H.jpg)
Did a pen run dry at just that moment...? ;)
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(https://www.staples-3p.com/s7/is/image/Staples/m000102913_sc7?$splssku$)
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But I agree with Ted Cruz on this @INVAR
Do you?
No.
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(https://www.staples-3p.com/s7/is/image/Staples/m000102913_sc7?$splssku$)
Those might have exsisted in 1977 but I don't recall ever having seen one.
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Those might have exsisted in 1977 but I don't recall ever having seen one.
I had one of those when I was in elementary school---in the 1960s. They were popular with
kids around the country for a couple of decades.
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If one was going to fake the last part of the note supposedly written by Moore, surely that person would use the same color ink, not another color.
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If one was going to fake the last part of the note supposedly written by Moore, surely that person would use the same color ink, not another color.
You'd think they'd make all their sevens the same way, too.
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Total bullcrap.
My dad sparked my mother in his late 20's she was 17 when they married. And that is in no wise uncommon in that generation.
My mother was 13 when I was born.
Dad was 17 but closer to 18.
Thank God dad wasn't put in jail and mom didn't have an abortion! :shrug:
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My mother was 13 when I was born.
Dad was 17 but closer to 18.
Thank God dad wasn't put in jail and mom didn't have an abortion! :shrug:
That age spread is too much. You'll have the common decency to self abort immediately, right?
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Someone over at Free Republic posted to me some interesting information if true.
Steve Bannon And Allies Have Second Thoughts About Roy Moore, Sources Say
11/14/2017, 7:28:50 PM · 93 of 129
inquisitive mo to DiogenesLamp
Hi my first post. I found something interesting on
classmates.com
2009 Gadsden High school (30 year class reunion)
Beverly Young and leigh Corfman BOTH GRADUATED 1979
Same class same school same year.
1979 Leigh Corfman claimed to be 14 years old.
I guess they know each other.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3604783/posts?page=93#93
Apparently this entry was a trick by someone wanting to prank people.
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Someone over at Free Republic posted to me some interesting information if true.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3604783/posts?page=93#93
If this is true, it sorta blows the "I was 14 at the time" bullsh*t.
Be careful. Anyone can add a name to Classmates. I can add yours to that same class at that same high school.
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Be careful. Anyone can add a name to Classmates. I can add yours to that same class at that same high school.
Well if that's the case, it's not necessarily proof of anything. So who would have added Leigh Corfman's name to that? Maybe another "false flag" operation?
This ought not be hard to verify. I would think someone could have found out one way or the other by now.
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That age spread is too much. You'll have the common decency to self abort immediately, right?
I'm slow aborting.
Another 10 plus years should do it?
(I hope) :shrug:
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Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.
What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.
So who would you have replace Moore on the ballot? Another Republican liberal? Might as well forfeit the election and install the Democrat.
And BTW, the allegations aren't credible unless and until there is proof.
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So who would you have replace Moore on the ballot? Another Republican liberal? Might as well forfeit the election and install the Democrat.
And BTW, the allegations aren't credible unless and until there is proof.
/snicker
And by “proof” you mean nothing less than a sworn confession by Moore given in open court.
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People are convicted on eye-witness testimony.
Also, seems some weren't so concerned about extreme liberal progressives being elected leader of this country in 2012 and 2016.
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/snicker
And by “proof” you mean nothing less than a sworn confession by Moore given in open court.
That could've been coerced. Just sayin'.
The fact remains that these kinds of salacious allegations can neither be proven nor disproven, and when they come out at the one possible time when other people will be hurt, and sinister political operatives have the most to gain from lying, I have plenty of reason to doubt.
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/snicker
And by “proof” you mean nothing less than a sworn confession by Moore given in open court.
Howabout starting with something other than hearsay?
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/snicker
And by “proof” you mean nothing less than a sworn confession by Moore given in open court.
How about corroboration? An actual witness to the alleged event, or maybe some hard evidence.
Nothing I've seen so far constitutes corroboration.
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So who would you have replace Moore on the ballot? Another Republican liberal? Might as well forfeit the election and install the Democrat.
And BTW, the allegations aren't credible unless and until there is proof.
It's not our fault if you don't see being pro-life as Luther Strange is as being liberal and on nearly every other issue.
Also, we all deserve to vote however we want but it did not seem some were too concerned about having extreme leftists in the White House versus President Trump or against Mitt Romney in 2012.
Half a loaf is better than none.
People are convicted on eyewitness testimony.
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Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.
What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.
Bears being repeated, just "not denying" going out with teenage girls is a huge strike in many people's minds.
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It's not our fault if you don't see being pro-life as Luther Strange is as being liberal and on nearly every other issue.
Also, we all deserve to vote however we want but it did not seem some were too concerned about having extreme leftists in the White House versus President Trump or against Mitt Romney in 2012.
Half a loaf is better than none.
People are convicted on eyewitness testimony.
We all deserve to vote however we want -- but the same apparently does not apply to the voters in Alabama, right?
The voters rejected Strange in favor of Moore in the primaries. If Moore is removed and replaced by Strange or anyone else, the voters lose their right to choose the senatot they might want in the special election.
Do you not see what is happening here? The party hierarchy has decided that voters are too stupid to select their representatives. So the party is going to do it for them.
So neither of us is an Alabama voter, and on the surface you and I might not have a stake in this particular election. But if the party gets away with tossing out the candidate Alabama voters want, what is there to stop the party from doing the same in your state or mine?
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Bears being repeated, just "not denying" going out with teenage girls is a huge strike in many people's minds.
Maybe in yours, perhaps. Not sure about others.
However, I have heard that Moore has demanded proof of the allegations.
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We all deserve to vote however we want -- but the same apparently does not apply to the voters in Alabama, right?
The voters rejected Strange in favor of Moore in the primaries. If Moore is removed and replaced by Strange or anyone else, the voters lose their right to choose the senatot they might want in the special election.
Do you not see what is happening here? The party hierarchy has decided that voters are too stupid to select their representatives. So the party is going to do it for them.
So neither of us is an Alabama voter, and on the surface you and I might not have a stake in this particular election. But if the party gets away with tossing out the candidate Alabama voters want, what is there to stop the party from doing the same in your state or mine?
Yes, the people of Alabama have that right. I wonder alone, if Moore would have won if we had the info we have today? Doesn't deny dating teen age girls when he was thirty plus. A lot of people would see that as a strike against him. He may well not have won. That is another consideration.
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You've got to wonder about these arguments and the sincerity of them.
We have a lot of folks who seemed to be against Trump at every term; and would have seen a continuation of radicalism started under Obama.
Now, some guy who, even if the official translation of events doesn't make it so and may not be fair, is perceived as a child rapist by many. Oh, yeah, let's have him in the Senate representing the GOP.
Hey, if they were so against Trump, why take their word now?
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Bears being repeated, just "not denying" going out with teenage girls is a huge strike in many people's minds.
Forty years ago "teenagers" included those who were old enough to drink beer and wine (although Moore lived in a 'dry' county), vote, enter into contracts, and marry even without parental consent.
Aside from the college dropouts, teenagers comprised those being drafted into military service for combat duty in Vietnam.
Teenagers were supporting their families, running farms, fishing commercially, working construction jobs (and not just pushing brooms), etc. At 17 I had been a volunteer firefighter for a couple of years and was certified to run ambulance calls.
We're not talking about today's teenagers. We are talking about a more socially structured dating environment. Many in that time period graduated from High School at 17 (no kindergarten). I know, I did, although by '77 I was nearly out of college.
We are not talking a 'child rapist', but your use of that particular pejorative phrase speaks volumes.
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Yes, the people of Alabama have that right. I wonder alone, if Moore would have won if we had the info we have today? Doesn't deny dating teen age girls when he was thirty plus. A lot of people would see that as a strike against him. He may well not have won. That is another consideration.
Well, we will never know, will we? But I've said before, the timing of these accusations against Moore is suspect. Why didn't they come out during the primaries? My suspicion is that it's because Moore was not expected to win. The party wanted Strange, but when the voters rejected him in favor of Moore, the party hatched this plan to smear him.
We saw this scenario before with Herman Cain. The party wanted their man, Romney, to be the nominee. The expectation was that the other contenders would, at a suitable time, fold like a cheap suit, and they did -- except for Herman Cain. While Romney and the others were making vague promises to fix the economy, Cain came out with his 9-9-9 plan. Would that plan have worked? Maybe not. But the point is that while the other were blowing nothing more than hot air, Cain had an actual strategy. And just by having that strategy, he started to become more popular with the voters.
This did not sit well with the party elite, who saw their guy, Romney, losing ground in the polls. So all of a sudden, women started coming out of the woodwork to accuse Cain of improprieties. Cain couldn't take it, so he dropped out.
My state's primary isn't until May, and the incident with Herman Cain occurred before I got a chance to vote. Would I have voted for Cain if he was still on the ballot? I don't know. But the point is I was denied my right to make my own choice. It was at that point, I decided there was no way in hell I was going to vote for the already selected candidate, Romney; so I didn't. And I suspect many others didn't vote for Romney either, perhaps for the same reason.
There is a real danger that the same could happen in the Alabama special election if Moore is ousted in favor of the party's selected candidate. Savvy voters might be wise to these shenanigans and deliver the middle finger to the party by writing in Moore's name, staying home, or maybe even voting for the Democrat. Either way, the Dem could win.
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So neither of us is an Alabama voter, and on the surface you and I might not have a stake in this particular election. But if the party gets away with tossing out the candidate Alabama voters want, what is there to stop the party from doing the same in your state or mine?
You have swerved right into the whole truth of this issue, because THAT is what is taking place here in a more overt-form, but make no mistake - the Republican Party has been putting mechanisms in place to ensure the grassroots has no ability whatsoever to choose their nominees by putting the power to choose and decide candidates in the hands of the Leadership.
The last two GOP Conventions revealed that fact - Rule 12 shifted rules-making powers away from the convention and to the Republican National Committee only. It allows the RNC to make changes to other rules after the convention away from party membership in closed door session — for the entirety of the next election cycle, up until summer 2018. It's biggest feature is to groom and choose candidates and reject those the grassroots nominate. It also ruled to keep open primaries, refused to reward closed primary states and refused to apportion delegates in a fairer and more balanced manner.
Bob Corker (R) TN let the cat out of the bag when he stated last week that "Look, I'm sorry, but even before these reports surfaced, Roy Moore's nomination was a bridge too far,". EVEN BEFORE THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED - THE GOP HAD DETERMINED THE NOMINATION OF MOORE WAS A 'BRIDGE TOO FAR'.
As I said yesterday - what we are witnessing is the Oligarchy boldly demonstrating that that will choose our rulers for us, and destroy those they do not want.
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You have swerved right into the whole truth of this issue, because THAT is what is taking place here in a more overt-form, but make no mistake - the Republican Party has been putting mechanisms in place to ensure the grassroots has no ability whatsoever to choose their nominees by putting the power to choose and decide candidates in the hands of the Leadership.
The last two GOP Conventions revealed that fact - Rule 12 shifted rules-making powers away from the convention and to the Republican National Committee only. It allows the RNC to make changes to other rules after the convention away from party membership in closed door session — for the entirety of the next election cycle, up until summer 2018. It's biggest feature is to groom and choose candidates and reject those the grassroots nominate. It also ruled to keep open primaries, refused to reward closed primary states and refused to apportion delegates in a fairer and more balanced manner.
And Trump and his primary backers supported it 100%.
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You have swerved right into the whole truth of this issue, because THAT is what is taking place here in a more overt-form, but make no mistake - the Republican Party has been putting mechanisms in place to ensure the grassroots has no ability whatsoever to choose their nominees by putting the power to choose and decide candidates in the hands of the Leadership.
The last two GOP Conventions revealed that fact - Rule 12 shifted rules-making powers away from the convention and to the Republican National Committee only. It allows the RNC to make changes to other rules after the convention away from party membership in closed door session — for the entirety of the next election cycle, up until summer 2018. It's biggest feature is to groom and choose candidates and reject those the grassroots nominate. It also ruled to keep open primaries, refused to reward closed primary states and refused to apportion delegates in a fairer and more balanced manner.
Bob Corker (R) TN let the cat out of the bag when he stated last week that "Look, I'm sorry, but even before these reports surfaced, Roy Moore's nomination was a bridge too far,". EVEN BEFORE THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED - THE GOP HAD DETERMINED THE NOMINATION OF MOORE WAS A 'BRIDGE TOO FAR'.
As I said yesterday - what we are witnessing is the Oligarchy boldly demonstrating that that will choose our rulers for us, and destroy those they do not want.
Which is why I am no longer a Republican and they continue to prove me right in making that decision on a daily, and sometimes hourly, basis!
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And Trump and his primary backers supported it 100%.
That they did.
And in Alabama, they wanted Luther Strange - McConnell's Towel Boy.
The voters said 'no'. So now McConnell and the GOP Oligarchy will show us that they will have whom they prefer in there, regardless whom the voters may have wanted.
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That they did.
And in Alabama, they wanted Luther Strange - McConnell's Towel Boy.
The voters said 'no'. So now McConnell and the GOP Oligarchy will show us that they will have whom they prefer in there, regardless whom the voters may have wanted.
That's the general aroma of things. The dank smell of swamp mud hangs heavy in the air.
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I'm not going to enter the debate about whether Moore is innocent of the charges or guilty because that would take a trial, and we don't have one. What we have is an important election to hold a Senate seat.
But here is an undeniable FACT from this that I have learned.. If you went to school in the 1970s like I did, those really cute girls in your Junior High yearbook are......well how can I say this delicately? Likely butt-ugly today, if they aged anything like these accusers.
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As I said before:
The Lord hates a waggin tongue.
Unless it's also a sword. Then you get a purdy white horse.
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I'm not going to enter the debate about whether Moore is innocent of the charges or guilty because that would take a trial, and we don't have one.
A court trial is not the sole manner in which people might determine a man's innocence or guilt;
a court trial is, really, nothing more than the legal apparatus by which we determine whether
he can be punished in legal terms for a crime, if he committed one. You can determine
for yourself whether Mr. Moore is innocent or guilty based on the information you know---people
do it all the time, O.J. Simpson being only one of the most notorious examples. (Though I can
still remember hearing people who knew the real evidence pointed to his guilt still deciding he
was not guilty because, well, a court of law found him thus, never mind how incompetently he
was prosecuted, and never mind the oft-forgotten truth that court verdicts are neither infallible
nor, often enough, the final word.) Did we need a court trial to know Droopy Drawers Clinton was
guilty of perjury, suborning perjury, and obstructing justice? Or that he was a serial adulterer?
Have we needed a court trial to know Hilarious Rodent Clinton was guilty at minimum of using
the State Department as a clearinghouse for contributions to the Clinton Foundation, never
mind her culpability in Benghazi or in turning the Democratic National Committee into her
personal campaign piggy bank?
You simply can't do anything more to punish Mr. Moore, on your own, if you believe him guilty or
at least not quite so innocent, other than living in Alabama and voting against sending him to the
U.S. Senate. But you don't require a court trial to determine on your own whether he is guilty or
innocent or still Lucy-you-got-some-splainin'-to-do . . .
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Unless it's also a sword. Then you get a purdy white horse.
Except a waggin tongue (gossip) is not a sword
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Except a waggin tongue (gossip) is not a sword
Metaphorical killjoy.
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Metaphorical killjoy.
Those are my middle names :tongue2:
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Those are my middle names :tongue2:
Wagon tongue?
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Which is why I am no longer a Republican and they continue to prove me right in making that decision on a daily, and sometimes hourly, basis!
Ditto that.
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Wagon tongue?
:silly: :silly: :silly: :beer:
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I'm not going to enter the debate about whether Moore is innocent of the charges or guilty because that would take a trial, and we don't have one. What we have is an important election to hold a Senate seat.
But here is an undeniable FACT from this that I have learned.. If you went to school in the 1970s like I did, those really cute girls in your Junior High yearbook are......well how can I say this delicately? Likely butt-ugly today, if they aged anything like these accusers.
I graduated in 1970. Only went to one reunion -- the 15th. All the good looking popular girls got fat and ugly. More than a few of them were married and divorced. One was on her third husband.
And the guys didn't look much better. The most handsome guy in HS -- the football QB -- lost about half his hair. Probably lost the rest of it by now. Oh, and he has a beer gut. Guess he isn't working out like he used to when he was on the team.
All the good looking popular kids used to look down their noses at unattractive nerds like me. But now they lead miserable lives, while I'm much happier than they. Guess time has been my best revenge.
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I graduated in 1970. Only went to one reunion -- the 15th. All the good looking popular girls got fat and ugly. More than a few of them were married and divorced. One was on her third husband.
And the guys didn't look much better. The most handsome guy in HS -- the football QB -- lost about half his hair. Probably lost the rest of it by now. Oh, and he has a beer gut. Guess he isn't working out like he used to when he was on the team.
All the good looking popular kids used to look down their noses at unattractive nerds like me. But now they lead miserable lives, while I'm much happier than they. Guess time has been my best revenge.
Yep. By the time Roy got home from West Point, the two tours in the Army, and Law School, that's what was left of his age group...