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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: SirLinksALot on April 25, 2017, 09:41:04 pm
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SOURCE: BREITBART
URL: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz-calls-14-billion-seized-el-chapo-fund-border-wall/ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz-calls-14-billion-seized-el-chapo-fund-border-wall/)
by Bob Price
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) introduced a bill calling for the use of $14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman to be used to pay for the President’s border wall between the U.S. and Mexico.
“Fourteen billion dollars will go a long way toward building a wall that will keep Americans safe and hinder the illegal flow of drugs, weapons, and individuals across our southern border,” Senator Cruz stated, according to a statement obtained by Breitbart Texas from the senator’s office. “Ensuring the safety and security of Texans is one of my top priorities.”
The Texas senator said that leveraging criminally forfeited assets from El Chapo and other Mexican cartel members and drug dealers can “offset the wall’s cost and make meaningful progress toward achieving President Trump’s stated border security objectives.”
Senator Cruz introduced the Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order (EL CHAPO) Act on Tuesday. “The U.S. Government is currently seeking the criminal forfeiture of more than $14 billion in drug proceeds and illicit profits from El Chapo, the former leader of the Sinaloa drug cartel who was recently extradited to the U.S. to face criminal prosecution for numerous alleged drug-related crimes, including conspiracy to commit murder and money laundering,” Cruz stated.
The Mexican government extradited the former Mexican drug kingpin in January, Breitbart Texas’ Ildefonso Ortiz reported. The move to an American prison cell followed months of court battles in Mexico and multiple escapes from prison by Guzman. As part of the agreement with Mexico, Guzman will not face the death penalty in the U.S. for his crimes. Prosecutors filed murder charges against the former drug lord in relation to the killings of a U.S. citizen and two relatives.
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Go Ted! IMHO once again trying to save the party and Trump's butt!
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Go Ted! IMHO once again trying to save the party and Trump's butt!
I can't figure out what the heck is wrong with this idea.
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I can't figure out what the heck is wrong with this idea.
Nothing really, all the GOP needs is the WILL to pass it.
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It actually makes sense.
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Go Ted! IMHO once again trying to save the party and Trump's butt!
There are many ways that Mexico can indirectly pay for The Wall, and this is one of them.
I do so love my Senator, and in spite of what Frank says, I'm heterosexual.
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"to be used to pay for the President’s border wall"
Whose wall?
Take off the knee pads guys.
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That is beautiful!
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Make no mistake here @InHeavenThereIsNoBeer this is Trump's Wall and when it's done, and it will be, He'll take Full Credit and rightfully so.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-wall-comp.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&strip=all)
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Make no mistake here @InHeavenThereIsNoBeer this is Trump's Wall and when it's done, and it will be, He'll take Full Credit and rightfully so.
Conservatives have been trying to get a wall for decades, even while Trump was toasting DREAMERs and making deals with Soros.
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Make no mistake here @InHeavenThereIsNoBeer this is Trump's Wall and when it's done, and it will be, He'll take Full Credit and rightfully so.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-wall-comp.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&strip=all)
Right ... with those 'little hands' it just may take a bit longer. :silly:
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I can't figure out what the heck is wrong with this idea.
Two Words: Lyin' Ted.
He probably will funnel the money into assassination operations for his father and the rest will go to a Goldman Sachs fund dedicated to drowning puppies.
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Two Words: Lyin' Ted.
He probably will funnel the money into assassination operations for his father and the rest will go to a Goldman Sachs fund dedicated to drowning puppies.
That's simply not true @Frank Cannon but it will be reported that way by the National Enquirer.
Trump/Pecker deal negotiated over meatloaf at Mar-A-Lago.
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What's wrong with this idea? I'll tell you what is wrong...
The whole federal government is not about good ideas, it's about this:
(http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/img/photo//thumb/00780-BIG.jpg)
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Make no mistake here @InHeavenThereIsNoBeer this is Trump's Wall and when it's done, and it will be, He'll take Full Credit and rightfully so.
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-wall-comp.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&strip=all)
Please don't forget that it was none other than Ted Cruz who supported a border wall back in 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgJh-1i1Cw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgJh-1i1Cw)
I reckon you can get a lot done if you don't worry so much about who gets the credit.
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Nothing really, all the GOP needs is the WILL to pass it.
Time to make some phone calls or send e-mails to our Senators asking them to support this Bill. It appears that this bill hasn't been assigned a number yet; S.????
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20170425_EL%20CHAPO%20Act.pdf
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Time to make some phone calls or send e-mails to our Senators asking them to support this Bill. It appears that this bill hasn't been assigned a number yet; S.????
https://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20170425_EL%20CHAPO%20Act.pdf
Bump. They seem to bend easily to pressure. Let's pressure them.
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Wonderful idea! Go Ted go!
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I gotta support it just because I dig the acronym. :beer:
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Bump. They seem to bend easily to pressure. Let's pressure them.
Absolutely ... Rubio should support this ... as for Nelson ...he's useless, but I'll call his office anyways and e-mail, and fax ... I don't mind being a pain at all.
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Its a brilliant solution to the problem. One all republicans should be able to get behind. I'd like to see this pass. Now if Ted could come up with something that elegant for health care. I know - repeal the thing.....
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Its a brilliant solution to the problem. One all republicans should be able to get behind. I'd like to see this pass. Now if Ted could come up with something that elegant for health care. I know - repeal the thing.....
No doubt about it, Ted Cruz is brilliant (his professor at Harvard, Allen Dershowitz even said so). Cruz came up with a healthcare plan awhile ago in Feb. of 2016 which featured three points:
1. Creation of a nationwide marketplace
2. Health savings accounts
3. De-linking healthcare from the workplace.
He's been emphatic about repealing Bammycare for quite awhile and he also knows that if the GOP doesn't deliver on this and the wall, they're done.
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I can't figure out what the heck is wrong with this idea.
Could it be that most of the assets are not in US possession?
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Could it be that most of the assets are not in US possession?
The article says: "$14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman".
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The article says: "$14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman".
I believe those assets are scattered around in various countries in the region, and that most are in Mexico. But Mexico, being basically a narcocracy with a weak central government, lacks the forfeiture laws strong enough to collect them. Of course their government is demanding rights to all El Chapo assets.
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The article says: "$14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman".
I would think that the U.S. has the money.
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Other countries have El Chapo assets as well. Maybe the 14 billion is the portion in the US, but I can't find any info on how much is within our reach.
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Other countries have El Chapo assets as well. Maybe the 14 billion is the portion in the US, but I can't find any info on how much is within our reach.
$14 billion would get a long ways towards establishing a real, physical barrier.
And, as for the Mexican government trying to claim it, where did the money come from? It wasn't Mexico.
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How perverse is this? We might see funding for Planned Parenthood, but none for the Border Wall !!
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How perverse is this? We might see funding for Planned Parenthood, but none for the Border Wall !!
Sickening, disgusting and it makes me angry!
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$14 billion would get a long ways towards establishing a real, physical barrier.
And, as for the Mexican government trying to claim it, where did the money come from? It wasn't Mexico.
The democrats threatened to close the government over 1.4 billion Trump asked for.
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The democrats threatened to close the government over 1.4 billion Trump asked for.
So, let 'em! What is wrong with our "representatives"? Just do the right thing!
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IF this bill were to make it through the Senate and pass and then approved by Congress ... Cruz would be a hero! Trump would be absolutely infuriated. He's not going to let it happen. If he was smart, he'd run with the idea and make an e.o.
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So, let 'em! What is wrong with our "representatives"? Just do the right thing!
Simple. There are RINO's in Congress who don't want the wall. Complete funding for the wall has been denied since 2006.
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The article says: "$14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman".
I seriously doubt El Chapo would have placed all his assets within reach of the US govt.
I believe the US will try to get at those, but no doubt will not have total success, especially if not in this country or with claims from other countries that the assets are theirs.
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The wall is a waste of money. There are far more worthy infrastructure projects than the wall. Trump's rhetoric has already been effective in stemming much illegal immigration. To the extent more border security is needed, beef up border patrols and electronic surveillance.
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The wall is a waste of money. There are far more worthy infrastructure projects than the wall. Trump's rhetoric has already been effective in stemming much illegal immigration. To the extent more border security is needed, beef up border patrols and electronic surveillance.
I wonder why so many border patrol types want a wall?
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The wall is a waste of money. There are far more worthy infrastructure projects than the wall. Trump's rhetoric has already been effective in stemming much illegal immigration. To the extent more border security is needed, beef up border patrols and electronic surveillance.
Mexico is a lousy neighbor. A fence will make them a better one.
Just build the damn wall.
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Think bigger and use any and all seized drug money and assets (Seized by the Feds). The real question would be, is this a fiscal bill that requires 60 votes or a crime bill that only needs 50. I honestly don't know the answer and hope someone here is enough of a parliamentarian to know the right answer.
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I wonder why so many border patrol types want a wall?
To be fair, there are places along the border where agents prefer a technological barrier coupled with strong fence barriers to an actual wall. There are also long stretches where a genuine wall (also with tech support) is a better barrier. So the entire border is not a one size fits all...and I have no doubt that all of this will factor in to the actual construction. "Wall" in this context does not equate to something like the Great Wall in China...but neither is it just a big fence. What it will be is something in between and it will vary according to terrain and other tactical factors.
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To be fair, there are places along the border where agents prefer a technological barrier coupled with strong fence barriers to an actual wall. There are also long stretches where a genuine wall (also with tech support) is a better barrier. So the entire border is not a one size fits all...and I have no doubt that all of this will factor in to the actual construction. "Wall" in this context does not equate to something like the Great Wall in China...but neither is it just a big fence. What it will be is something in between and it will vary according to terrain and other tactical factors.
I agree that what he probably meant was "physical barrier". I'm fine with that.
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I agree that what he probably meant was "physical barrier". I'm fine with that.
Bullets make a pretty effective physical barrier as well.
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Bullets make a pretty effective physical barrier as well.
And, why the hell do we want to expose our border patrol guys to bullets if we don't have to?
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Bullets make a pretty effective physical barrier as well.
So do land mines! Announce to the Mexican government and blast it over their airwaves that the U.S. has a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry ... land mines will be in place along the border with in (x) time ...enter at your own risk. Problem solved.
I believe we still need a wall to illustrate a physical barrier...the barrier will be a reminder that a) there are landmines and b) zero tolerance.
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And, why the hell do we want to expose our border patrol guys to bullets if we don't have to?
Really? Exposed? The same way, for instance we exposed our guys lobbing a bomb into Afghanistan or sending missiles into Syria?
Are you seriously suggesting that we need to have a hand to hand combat using bullets to counter criminals that cross the border in order to stop them?
And BTW, there are thousands of patriots (myself included) that would defend out country from intrusion without the BP.
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I like this. I think we should push members of congress to vote for it.
Added bonus:
If some voted against it, we'd see their true core beliefs about the issue.
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Really? Exposed? The same way, for instance we exposed our guys lobbing a bomb into Afghanistan or sending missiles into Syria?
Are you seriously suggesting that we need to have a hand to hand combat using bullets to counter criminals that cross the border in order to stop them?
And BTW, there are thousands of patriots (myself included) that would defend out country from intrusion without the BP.
Bullets make a pretty effective physical barrier as well.
Are you seriously suggesting that we need to have a hand to hand combat using bullets to counter criminals that cross the border in order to stop them?
What? :shrug:
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IF this bill were to make it through the Senate and pass and then approved by Congress ... Cruz would be a hero! Trump would be absolutely infuriated. He's not going to let it happen. If he was smart, he'd run with the idea and make an e.o.
Maybe behind the scenes, but they are already calling it "Trump's Wall" leaving out that Cruz was for this years ago. Trump could E.O. that all Federally confiscated narco cash be used for the wall, or a high percentage thereof, or continue to take credit for the idea..
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To be fair, there are places along the border where agents prefer a technological barrier coupled with strong fence barriers to an actual wall. There are also long stretches where a genuine wall (also with tech support) is a better barrier. So the entire border is not a one size fits all...and I have no doubt that all of this will factor in to the actual construction. "Wall" in this context does not equate to something like the Great Wall in China...but neither is it just a big fence. What it will be is something in between and it will vary according to terrain and other tactical factors.
True enough. With varying substrate, terrain, and need for water access, the solution to the problem will vary. For a significant portion of the border, a physical wall will work, but even that will have to have some sort of surveillance and a rapid reaction force in case the coyotes or cartels breach it. In other areas the solution will be a different barrier or other technology, but the whole idea is to either close the border to crossing, or to channel the illegal border violators into terrain where they can be more easily captured. If thy want to fight, such terrain will be tactically advantageous to our people, not theirs.
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Really? Exposed? The same way, for instance we exposed our guys lobbing a bomb into Afghanistan or sending missiles into Syria?
Are you seriously suggesting that we need to have a hand to hand combat using bullets to counter criminals that cross the border in order to stop them?
And BTW, there are thousands of patriots (myself included) that would defend out country from intrusion without the BP.
Well, guys like Brian Terry were exposed by the last administration. http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2011/06/fast-and-furious-how-dept-of-justice.html (http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2011/06/fast-and-furious-how-dept-of-justice.html), and what's more, that administration armed the folks on the other side.
I would think there would be opportunities for jobs as border security officers, and yes, in a pinch, there are a lot of us who would show up with our own kit to to defend the borders.
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Poetically appropriate.
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What? :shrug:
Please explain what you mean by 'exposing our border agents'. Perhaps I misunderstood.
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Please explain what you mean by 'exposing our border agents'. Perhaps I misunderstood.
Why have them out there dodging bullets when a barricade/wall (where possible) would keep bad guys from coming across in the first place?
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For those that want to sign Cruz's petition:
https://www.tedcruz.org/l/build-wall-make-el-chapo-pay/?recurring=true&utm_campaign=20170425_ted-cruz_email&utm_content=body_text_support&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pa_hf
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So do land mines! Announce to the Mexican government and blast it over their airwaves that the U.S. has a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry ... land mines will be in place along the border with in (x) time ...enter at your own risk. Problem solved.
I believe we still need a wall to illustrate a physical barrier...the barrier will be a reminder that a) there are landmines and b) zero tolerance.
How does Mexico keep people out? Do they have a wall or does the Mexican policy of jailing or killing anyone who comes in illegally work?
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How does Mexico keep people out? Do they have a wall or does the Mexican policy of jailing or killing anyone who comes in illegally work?
Mexico prisons are known hell holes; besides who wants to live in Mexico? I had booked a cruise that encompassed parts of Mexico and in looking up some of the ports on the American Consulate's Travel Advisory website I wound up cancelling the trip. I don't even want to vacation there!
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Why have them out there dodging bullets when a barricade/wall (where possible) would keep bad guys from coming across in the first place?
Well, go back and read the comments on building the wall.
In some places, it will be an engineering nightmare with topography and rivers to contend with.
A virtual wall strengthened with technological monitoring and weaponry can police those areas effectively.
I understand what you are apprehensive about. Why place individuals in harm's way needlessly? The answer we do not have to.
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How does Mexico keep people out? Do they have a wall or does the Mexican policy of jailing or killing anyone who comes in illegally work?
There are few that ever spend time in a Mexican jail that desire to return or are heard from again.
Pretty effective policy.
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How does Mexico keep people out? Do they have a wall or does the Mexican policy of jailing or killing anyone who comes in illegally work?
(https://a12iggymom.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mexicos-southern-border-fence.jpg)
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(https://a12iggymom.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/mexicos-southern-border-fence.jpg)
I don't doubt the veracity of that picture. But how the heck are the central Americans getting past it to come to the US?
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I don't doubt the veracity of that picture. But how the heck are the central Americans getting past it to come to the US?
They take the train...
(http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/mexican-tran-derails-670x399.jpg)http://www.inquisitr.com/1345032/mexican-train-derails-with-1000-illegal-immigrants-riding-on-top/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1345032/mexican-train-derails-with-1000-illegal-immigrants-riding-on-top/)
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They take the train...
(http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/mexican-tran-derails-670x399.jpg)http://www.inquisitr.com/1345032/mexican-train-derails-with-1000-illegal-immigrants-riding-on-top/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1345032/mexican-train-derails-with-1000-illegal-immigrants-riding-on-top/)
And, Mexico lets them. As long as they stay on the train up to the US border, they're fine.
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Cruz Lifts Ingraham Idea for Cartel-Funded Border Wall
Texas senator touts 'El Chapo' solution first reported by LifeZette in September 2016
by Margaret Menge | Updated 27 Apr 2017 at 7:42 AM
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) went on “Fox & Friends” Wednesday morning to trumpet his plan to seize $14 billion in cash and assets from Mexican drug lord “El Chapo” to pay for President Donald Trump’s border wall.
Except the idea wasn’t unique to Cruz and was first floated during the height of the 2016 presidential election by LifeZette and Editor-in-Chief Laura Ingraham.
Continued: http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/cruz-lifts-idea-cartel-funded-border-wall-ingraham/
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"to be used to pay for the President’s border wall"
Whose wall?
Take off the knee pads guys.
@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
I think he's doing that because he understands Trump's ego and how to play to it to get things done.
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Oh, that rascally lyin' Ted!
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Two Words: Lyin' Ted.
He probably will funnel the money into assassination operations for his father and the rest will go to a Goldman Sachs fund dedicated to drowning puppies.
@Frank Cannon
Or for a legal defense fund for his old man next time he conspires to off somebody. That old guy is walking around free, a danger to society.
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@Frank Cannon
Or for a legal defense fund for his old man next time he conspires to off somebody. That old guy is walking around free, a danger to society.
Plus I have unnamed sources telling me that since the JFK assassination went so well, Rafael Cruz has his sights set on LBJ now.
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@Frank Cannon
Or for a legal defense fund for his old man next time he conspires to off somebody. That old guy is walking around free, a danger to society.
"His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald's being – you know, shot," Trump said. "I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this, right prior to his being shot, and nobody even brings it up. They don't even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it."
"I mean, what was he doing – what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death? Before the shooting?" Trump continued. "It's horrible."
Continued: https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/trump-cruzs-father-was-with-oswald-before-kennedy-assassination
These seem to be Trump's words. They seem to distort what was actually said.
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@TomSea
*grin*
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Plus I have unnamed sources telling me that since the JFK assassination went so well, Rafael Cruz has his sights set on LBJ now.
Lmao
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Plus I have unnamed sources telling me that since the JFK assassination went so well, Rafael Cruz has his sights set on LBJ now.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4063/4348708850_f9551b4a5a.jpg)
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These seem to be Trump's words. They seem to distort what was actually said.
No matter what anyone says, your on the ball Tom. Way to clarify the unclarifiable.
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Always right.
(https://lifecoachingpartners.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/sanguine-2.jpg)
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Can we call it the Guzman memorial?
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hah hah 'Doubt that Ingraham thought it up herself anyway - prolly heard it from someone on this forum. heh
There's nothing new under the sun...
Nothing we can do that can't be done
Nothing we can sing that can't be sung
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It's easy
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Love is all you need.
I wrote those lyrics back in 1962 but the Beatles stole them from me. That's why I killed two of them already and I'm workin' on the other two. GRRRRRR!! Although I'm thinkn' of giving Ringo a pass 'cause he's so easy-goin'. But McCartney...there's a silver hammer with HIS name on it...
Seriously, I doubt that Ingraham would care much. I think she is a Cruz fan anyway.
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Always right.
(https://lifecoachingpartners.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/sanguine-2.jpg)
:seeya:
I'm very shy and retiring, @TomSea. *****rollingeyes*****
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Two Words: Lyin' Ted.
He probably will funnel the money into assassination operations for his father and the rest will go to a Goldman Sachs fund dedicated to drowning puppies.
Wow.
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Blake HounshellVerified account
@blakehounshell
Trump faces a momentous decision: whether to allow the release of 3,600 secret JFK assassination files
Jay NordlingerVerified account @jaynordlinger 37m37 minutes ago
Cruz is so screwed.
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Blake HounshellVerified account
@blakehounshell
Trump faces a momentous decision: whether to allow the release of 3,600 secret JFK assassination files
Jay NordlingerVerified account @jaynordlinger 37m37 minutes ago
Cruz is so screwed.
I say release them ... I thought the were supposed to be released anyways after 50 years or after Jacqueline Kennedy passed; it's time!
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I say release them ... I thought the were supposed to be released anyways after 50 years or after Jacqueline Kennedy passed; it's time!
I was appalled they were sealed in the first place. The Warren Commission is all taking dirtnaps by now anyway. Release them.
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Blake HounshellVerified account
@blakehounshell
Trump faces a momentous decision: whether to allow the release of 3,600 secret JFK assassination files
Jay NordlingerVerified account @jaynordlinger 37m37 minutes ago
Cruz is so screwed.
:rolling:
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Mexico prisons are known hell holes; besides who wants to live in Mexico? I had booked a cruise that encompassed parts of Mexico and in looking up some of the ports on the American Consulate's Travel Advisory website I wound up cancelling the trip. I don't even want to vacation there!
Me, either. I was very uncomfortable the last time I was there.
Maybe if one stayed in the luxury resorts, one would feel safe but out among the madding crowd ... uh, uh.
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Me, either. I was very uncomfortable the last time I was there.
Maybe if one stayed in the luxury resorts, one would feel safe but out among the madding crowd ... uh, uh.
Funny thing is that those fancy resorts typically have a wall that separates those staying there from the outsiders.
Wonder why that works?