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General Category => Trump Legal Investigations => Topic started by: mystery-ak on June 22, 2018, 12:49:52 pm
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Posted on June 21, 2018 by John Hinderaker in FBI, Michael Flynn
Did the FBI Frame Flynn?
The criminal case against Gen. Michael Flynn for lying to FBI agents was incredibly weak. At the time, I assumed that the charges against him were based on an audio tape or court reporter’s transcript of his interview. I wrote that the transcript should be made public so that we can all judge whether anything he said was actually untrue. While Flynn ultimately pled guilty to a single count of lying to a federal investigator, he has also said publicly that he pled to that single charge because the criminal investigation was rapidly bankrupting him.
In fact, there is no verbatim record of what Flynn said to the agents who interviewed him. Consistent with normal FBI practice, as I understand it, there is no recording or transcript. Rather, the agents who conducted the interrogation summarized what Flynn said in a form FD-302. Is this summary of what Flynn (or any other witness) said accurate? Who knows? Are nuances lost? Undoubtedly. Is much of what the witness said, that may have mitigated the claim that something he said was false, omitted? Of course.
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/did-the-fbi-frame-flynn.php (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/did-the-fbi-frame-flynn.php)
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Is a pig's ass pork?
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Flynn wasn't framed for lying. He entered a guilty plea to the lesser charges, because both he and his son were implicated in other matters being investigated. As the article below details, it was a similar legal strategy used in the Milken and Enron cases.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#4582887814fe (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#4582887814fe)
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Yes
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Flynn wasn't framed for lying. He entered a guilty plea to the lesser charges, because both he and his son were implicated in other matters being investigated. As the article below details, it was a similar legal strategy used in the Milken and Enron cases.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#4582887814fe (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#4582887814fe)
He was forced to plead guilty in order to get the FBI to back off and stop ruining him and his family financially. That is the very definition of ABUSE OF POWER/FORCE in my dictionary.... and if the FBI could do it to him, they could (and would) do it to you too.... if they deemed a benefit from it. What amazes me is.... this abuse is going on (ongoing) right in front of us.... with a GOP controlled WH and Congress. Just think what they can and will do if/when they (leftists/Democrats) fully get their power back.
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He was forced to plead guilty in order to get the FBI to back off and stop ruining him and his family financially. That is the very definition of ABUSE OF POWER/FORCE in my dictionary.... and if the FBI could do it to him, they could (and would) do it to you too.... if they deemed a benefit from it. What amazes me is.... this abuse is going on (ongoing) right in front of us.... with a GOP controlled WH and Congress. Just think what they can and will do if/when they (leftists/Democrats) fully get their power back.
Except if you read the Forbes article and do a little research on the people they mentioned as examples, you would see the tactic is effective, because the parties were actually guilty. In respect to what they could have been charged with, they got off lightly. We also need to knock off this “woe is me’ stuff about Flynn’s finances. He’s doing just fine.
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Meanwhile there are important issues like Melania’s jacket to discuss.
Abuse of police powers? What’s that?
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Except if you read the Forbes article and do a little research on the people they mentioned as examples, you would see the tactic is effective, because the parties were actually guilty. In respect to what they could have been charged with, they got off lightly. We also need to knock off this “woe is me’ stuff about Flynn’s finances. He’s doing just fine.
Heck yes its an effective tactic. Forcing a jobless 60 year old to sell his house to pay for his defense, even in spite of the fact the FBI agents who interviewed him (sans lawyer) during his 'perjured' testimony discerned nothing that would indicate the subject knew he was committing perjury, attests to its effectiveness.
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Except if you read the Forbes article and do a little research on the people they mentioned as examples, you would see the tactic is effective, because the parties were actually guilty. In respect to what they could have been charged with, they got off lightly. We also need to knock off this “woe is me’ stuff about Flynn’s finances. He’s doing just fine.
@edpc, but the problem is that almost any of us could be found guilty of doing something. Maybe I entered something wrong on my IRS return. Claimed a charitable donation that wasn't really a 501c3. Failed to disclose something. Made four deposits of right under $10,000. Whatever.
And, there's this: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321334.0/topicseen.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321334.0/topicseen.html)
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Except if you read the Forbes article and do a little research on the people they mentioned as examples, you would see the tactic is effective, because the parties were actually guilty. In respect to what they could have been charged with, they got off lightly. We also need to knock off this “woe is me’ stuff about Flynn’s finances. He’s doing just fine.
I don't really give a damn about the people they mentioned as examples. The tactic, used against an innocent person, is abuse of friggin power. Period.
And no, he's not doing 'just fine'. I wonder how your family would like the same treatment.... just because the FBI didn't like your political affiliation.
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I don't really give a damn about the people they mentioned as examples. The tactic, used against an innocent person, is abuse of friggin power. Period.
And no, he's not doing 'just fine'. I wonder how your family would like the same treatment.... just because the FBI didn't like your political affiliation.
A prosecutor with unlimited resources squeezing the hell out of small fry to land the big fish is the very definition of abuse of power.
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@edpc, but the problem is that almost any of us could be found guilty of doing something. Maybe I entered something wrong on my IRS return. Claimed a charitable donation that wasn't really a 501c3. Failed to disclose something. Made four deposits of right under $10,000. Whatever.
And, there's this: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321334.0/topicseen.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,321334.0/topicseen.html)
Know all about it and lived through it during my final year in HS, while my parents battled Maryland over a tax lien. It took a couple years, but they won, received a settlement from it, then moved.
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Know all about it and lived through it during my final year in HS, while my parents battled Maryland over a tax lien. It took a couple years, but they won, received a settlement from it, then moved.
I don't know that that's what happened to Flynn, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility.
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The issue is all the Democrats who do much worse and get away scott-free.
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I don't really give a damn about the people they mentioned as examples. The tactic, used against an innocent person, is abuse of friggin power. Period.
And no, he's not doing 'just fine'. I wonder how your family would like the same treatment.... just because the FBI didn't like your political affiliation.
You and @Sanguine are right on the money. If it can be done to someone you dislike then it can be done to you.
BTW, there were people against convicting Al Capone on tax charges and not because they cared about Capone. They cared about the inevitable abuse of that new federal power. They were right. It's spelled IRS.
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@XenaLee
You and @Sanguine are right on the money. If it can be done to someone you dislike then it can be done to you.
BTW, there were people against convicting Al Capone on tax charges and not because they cared about Capone. They cared about the inevitable abuse of that new federal power. They were right. It's spelled IRS.
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You and @Sanguine are right on the money. If it can be done to someone you dislike then it can be done to you.
BTW, there were people against convicting Al Capone on tax charges and not because they cared about Capone. They cared about the inevitable abuse of that new federal power. They were right. It's spelled IRS.
Bottom line.... if we don't at least TRY to stop this abuse in its tracks now, while we (supposedly) have control and the power (yeah, right).... then when? The rats WILL regain power at some point again. We need to face that reality. How badly will they abuse these powers then?
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I don't really give a damn about the people they mentioned as examples. The tactic, used against an innocent person, is abuse of friggin power. Period.
And no, he's not doing 'just fine'. I wonder how your family would like the same treatment.... just because the FBI didn't like your political affiliation.
The people in question in the article weren't innocent and yes, Flynn is fine. Look up his net worth and retirement salary.
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The people in question in the article weren't innocent and yes, Flynn is fine. Look up his net worth and retirement salary.
Still doesn't justify the action. Worse, the 302's may have been altered so they could keep pursuing him.
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You and @Sanguine are right on the money. If it can be done to someone you dislike then it can be done to you.
BTW, there were people against convicting Al Capone on tax charges and not because they cared about Capone. They cared about the inevitable abuse of that new federal power. They were right. It's spelled IRS.
:amen: brother! :amen:
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Heck yes its an effective tactic. Forcing a jobless 60 year old to sell his house to pay for his defense, even in spite of the fact the FBI agents who interviewed him (sans lawyer) during his 'perjured' testimony discerned nothing that would indicate the subject knew he was committing perjury, attests to its effectiveness.
Quit pushing this worn out canard. He's worth $7M and was jobless because Trump fired him for lying to Pence about his meetings with Kislyak. This was the second time he had been fired by a president, so it was time to sell the house and leave town, anyway. Nobody in DC would want to hire him.
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Quit pushing this worn out canard. He's worth $7M and was jobless because Trump fired him for lying to Pence about his meetings with Kislyak. This was the second time he had been fired by a president, so it was time to sell the house and leave town, anyway. Nobody in DC would want to hire him.
By 'canard' you must be referring to him being in financial dire straits. Because the bit about the FBI interviewers being convinced he did not intentionally mislead anybody, the definition of 'perjury' for which Mueller indicted him, is certainly not a 'canard'.
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By 'canard' you must be referring to him being in financial dire straits. Because the bit about the FBI interviewers being convinced he did not intentionally mislead anybody, the definition of 'perjury' for which Mueller indicted him, is certainly not a 'canard'.
Flynn was willing to fight the indictment. Then, was made known to him that there was mounting evidence against him, which included the investigation of his business partner, Bijan Kian, and cooperation by Turkish businessman Reza Zarrab. Three days after Zarrab was reported to be offering evidence against him, Flynn decided it was time to cooperate. He knew it was over.
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I believe Rosenstein Wray, Sessions, Huber are working diligently on this and related matters, with a schedule to hopefully issue indictments sometime in or after 2021.
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Flynn was willing to fight the indictment. Then, was made known to him that there was mounting evidence against him, which included the investigation of his business partner, Bijan Kian, and cooperation by Turkish businessman Reza Zarrab. Three days after Zarrab was reported to be offering evidence against him, Flynn decided it was time to cooperate. He knew it was over.
Source? I’d like to read up on this.
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Source? I’d like to read up on this.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-business-partner-bijan-kian-now-subject-mueller-probe-n823366 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-business-partner-bijan-kian-now-subject-mueller-probe-n823366)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/who-is-reza-zarrab-turkish-iranian-gold-trader-may-be-working-with-mueller-investigation-of-michael-flynn-1.4409930 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/who-is-reza-zarrab-turkish-iranian-gold-trader-may-be-working-with-mueller-investigation-of-michael-flynn-1.4409930)
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html)
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-business-partner-bijan-kian-now-subject-mueller-probe-n823366 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-business-partner-bijan-kian-now-subject-mueller-probe-n823366)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/who-is-reza-zarrab-turkish-iranian-gold-trader-may-be-working-with-mueller-investigation-of-michael-flynn-1.4409930 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/who-is-reza-zarrab-turkish-iranian-gold-trader-may-be-working-with-mueller-investigation-of-michael-flynn-1.4409930)
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html (https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html)
Right. I see the dire speculation all comes to a screeching halt on 11/23/17. Anything since, I mean anything actually solid?
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The DNC/FBI have been colluding with anti-Trump media going on two years to destroy Trump and anyone close to Trump. They been working diligently spinning tales and manufacturing lies.
Now someone brings in NBC, the NYT and Canadian broadcasting as reliable sources?
Mueller’s holding nothing but fishing tackle and he hasn’t managed to catch a thing.
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The DNC/FBI have been colluding with anti-Trump media going on two years to destroy Trump and anyone close to Trump. They been working diligently spinning tales and manufacturing lies.
Now someone brings in NBC, the NYT and Canadian broadcasting as reliable sources?
Mueller’s holding nothing but fishing tackle and he hasn’t managed to catch a thing.
They were brazen. Once caught, they remain brazen.
They seem to have nothing to fear, from Sessions or Wray or Congress.
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Right. I see the dire speculation all comes to a screeching halt on 11/23/17. Anything since, I mean anything actually solid?
It came to a halt because Flynn stopped sharing information with the admin lawyers and started dealing. They probably still investigated leads, in case negotiations fell through, but that info remains unknown and may remain so, after Flynn's sentencing.