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Title: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: ABX on March 23, 2017, 11:43:18 pm
No, this isn't an old article. It actually came up again. And he believes the National Enquirer fake (in that it wasn't Cruz's dad in them) photos.

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On a day when Donald Trump is trying to get the House to pass TrumpCare and the Senate’s business is overshadowed by the Gorsuch hearings, we have a new interview in which Trump plays the jackass. And nowhere is his jackassery more on display than in this comment:

    But you would agree also that some of the things you have said haven’t been true. You say that Ted Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald....

http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/23/trump-apologize-tying-ted-cruzs-dad-lee-harvey-oswald/


Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on March 23, 2017, 11:46:30 pm
 :dighole:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: skeeter on March 23, 2017, 11:51:54 pm
A 'no comment' would've been far better.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 23, 2017, 11:51:56 pm
No, this isn't an old article. It actually came up again. And he believes the National Enquirer fake (in that it wasn't Cruz's dad in them) photos.

Trump is a dishonest immoral man who doesn't have an ounce of honor in him. Its the creature he is and will forever be.

The fact is that Trump admitted to lying about this when he told Wolf Blitzer that he didn't really believe the story but he wanted to win.

The only reason this dog is returning to its vomit is because Ted Cruz continues to oppose the health care bill that Trump supports.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: don-o on March 23, 2017, 11:56:55 pm
Read the transcript. That is painful.

Donald old pal, stop talking so much. You aren't that good at it.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on March 24, 2017, 12:00:15 am
Read the transcript. That is painful.

Donald old pal, stop talking so much. You aren't that good at it.
Amen.

I'm really trying to be fair to him, but today his foot in mouth disease has been acting up.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Frank Cannon on March 24, 2017, 12:04:51 am
Well how can you blame Don for sounding like a professional jackass in this interview. Lyin' Ted hanging around with that ugly wife of his and the murdering father would shake anyone's nerves.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: ABX on March 24, 2017, 12:11:49 am
Read the transcript. That is painful.

Donald old pal, stop talking so much. You aren't that good at it.

I really do wish he drank because it would be a reasonable excuse for his mouth.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: EC on March 24, 2017, 12:26:24 am
Let me guess. This is another "nothingburger" that we have to ignore, as it's just Trump being Trump.

Or is someone going to sprain their brain trying to explain what Trump meant here? Spicer could use all the help he can get.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 24, 2017, 12:31:03 am
Let me guess. This is another "nothingburger" that we have to ignore, as it's just Trump being Trump.

Or is someone going to sprain their brain trying to explain what Trump meant here? Spicer could use all the help he can get.

Well, from the article he is basically saying "I didn't say that, I said a newspaper (the Enquirer) said it". Is that even true?
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 12:36:38 am
Read the transcript. That is painful.

Donald old pal, stop talking so much. You aren't that good at it.

Good advice.  He should take it.

He should also apologize.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Idiot on March 24, 2017, 01:33:10 am
No, this isn't an old article. It actually came up again. And he believes the National Enquirer fake (in that it wasn't Cruz's dad in them) photos.
Oh man....this brings back memories why I couldn't stand the man.  Once a jackass....always a jackass.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 01:44:06 am
Oh man....this brings back memories why I couldn't stand the man.  Once a jackass....always a jackass.   :laugh:

A jackass can't change its stripes?

(http://www.theequinest.com/images/zedonk-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: geronl on March 24, 2017, 01:48:25 am
A jackass can't change its stripes?

(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/article-1344271876343-14686acb000005dc-990604_466x688.jpg)


They can try!
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: EasyAce on March 24, 2017, 02:18:26 am
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(http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=3918&pictureid=82074)
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Silver Pines on March 24, 2017, 02:39:20 am
Read the transcript. That is painful.

Donald old pal, stop talking so much. You aren't that good at it.


@don-o

He isn't my "pal."  He's just a shameless, repellent old moron.

Title: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: corbe on March 24, 2017, 05:03:17 pm
Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?

 Posted at 12:00 pm on March 23, 2017 by Patterico


On a day when Donald Trump is trying to get the House to pass TrumpCare (I hope he fails, by the way) and the Senate’s business is overshadowed by the Gorsuch hearings, we have a new interview in which Trump plays the jackass. And nowhere is his jackassery more on display than in this comment:

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But you would agree also that some of the things you have said haven’t been true. You say that Ted Cruz’s father was with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Well that was in a newspaper. No, no, I like Ted Cruz, he’s a friend of mine. But that was in the newspaper. I wasn’t, I didn’t say that. I was referring to a newspaper. A Ted Cruz article referred to a newspaper story with, had a picture of Ted Cruz, his father, and Lee Harvey Oswald, having breakfast.

That gets close to the heart…

Why do you say that I have to apologize? I’m just quoting the newspaper, just like I quoted the judge the other day, Judge Napolitano, I quoted Judge Napolitano, just like I quoted Bret Baier, I mean Bret Baier mentioned the word wiretap. Now he can now deny it, or whatever he is doing, you know. But I watched Bret Baier, and he used that term. I have a lot of respect for Judge Napolitano, and he said that three sources have told him things that would make me right. I don’t know where he has gone with it since then. But I’m quoting highly respected people from highly respected television networks.
<..snip..>

http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/23/trump-apologize-tying-ted-cruzs-dad-lee-harvey-oswald/ (http://www.redstate.com/patterico/2017/03/23/trump-apologize-tying-ted-cruzs-dad-lee-harvey-oswald/)



Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: corbe on March 24, 2017, 05:04:43 pm
Teflon Don

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Mom MD on March 24, 2017, 05:04:55 pm
 Because it's the right thing to do you arrogant piece of dog poop?
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: ABX on March 24, 2017, 05:06:19 pm
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...I was referring to a newspaper. A Ted Cruz article referred to a newspaper story with, had a picture of Ted Cruz, his father, and Lee Harvey Oswald, having breakfast.....

Except the photo is a lie. There is no evidence at all it is Cruz's dad in that photo. Just some Hispanic looking guy who looks only barely like Cruz's dad but could also be ten million other Hispanic guys.

Fringe blogs and tabloids made up the story it was Cruz's dad with zero evidence. As Trumpy still believes that and didn't have even an iota of concern it wasn't true, really says a lot.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: skeeter on March 24, 2017, 05:09:50 pm
Except the photo is a lie. There is no evidence at all it is Cruz's dad in that photo. Just some Hispanic looking guy who looks only barely like Cruz's dad but could also be ten million other Hispanic guys.

Fringe blogs and tabloids made up the story it was Cruz's dad with zero evidence. As Trumpy still believes that and didn't have even an iota of concern it wasn't true, really says a lot.

Worse, the tabloid ran the story with the specific purpose of helping Trump.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on March 24, 2017, 05:11:02 pm
Except the photo is a lie. There is no evidence at all it is Cruz's dad in that photo. Just some Hispanic looking guy who looks only barely like Cruz's dad but could also be ten million other Hispanic guys.

Fringe blogs and tabloids made up the story it was Cruz's dad with zero evidence. As Trumpy still believes that and didn't have even an iota of concern it wasn't true, really says a lot.
I suspect he's having a Trumpertantrum to try and get Cruz behind Trump care.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Silver Pines on March 24, 2017, 05:21:58 pm
Meanwhile Cruz rolls his eyes and laughs at the bloated idiot.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Gefn on March 24, 2017, 05:24:53 pm
Because it's the right thing to do you arrogant piece of dog poop?

 :thumbsup3:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: corbe on March 24, 2017, 05:26:21 pm
   Welcome Back @Freya, missed ya!
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Gefn on March 24, 2017, 05:28:16 pm
   Welcome Back @Freya, missed ya!

@corbe I've missed everyone too. I'm in the rehab hospital now.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: MOD8 on March 24, 2017, 05:34:57 pm
Duplicate, Thread Merged
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: EC on March 24, 2017, 05:47:33 pm
@corbe I've missed everyone too. I'm in the rehab hospital now.

Yay!!!!

Good to see you.  ^-^
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 24, 2017, 05:47:49 pm
So, now he compares Napolitano, Baier and the National Enquirer, as if they are the same, equal?

 :silly:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Gefn on March 24, 2017, 05:58:56 pm
Duplicate, Thread Merged

Mod 8?

New mod?
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 06:12:08 pm
Mod 8?

New mod?

Mods 3 and 5 were merged, too.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Idaho_Cowboy on March 24, 2017, 06:15:43 pm
Mods 3 and 5 were merged, too.
What we really need is Mod 7 of 9.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: EasyAce on March 24, 2017, 06:18:35 pm
@corbe I've missed everyone too. I'm in the rehab hospital now.

Speedy recovery!
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 06:24:15 pm
What we really need is Mod 7 of 9.


Mmmmmmm...... 7 of 9. 

Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: Gefn on March 24, 2017, 06:32:55 pm
What we really need is Mod 7 of 9.

Oh yes, oh yes, please.

@mystery-ak

Great idea for a Mod
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: corbe on March 24, 2017, 07:17:09 pm
   We got enough mods here we don't need no more!
 ****slapping
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald? (Patterico)
Post by: musiclady on March 24, 2017, 07:39:18 pm
Because it's the right thing to do you arrogant piece of dog poop?

Concise, yet accurate.....  :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: musiclady on March 24, 2017, 07:41:16 pm
Oh man....this brings back memories why I couldn't stand the man.  Once a jackass....always a jackass.   :laugh:

As I have said previously............ he was elected, not transformed.

That's why the country is still in deep trouble, no matter how happy happy we pretend to be.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Rivergirl on March 24, 2017, 07:41:29 pm
No doubt the defenders of all things despicable will agree with him.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 24, 2017, 07:44:29 pm
No doubt the defenders of all things despicable will agree with him.

He was the candidate of cultural degeneracy and now he is the president of cultural degeneracy.

Trashy tabloid TV like Current Affairs is what made him famous in the 80s and he's never been anything different.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: guitar4jesus on March 24, 2017, 08:12:06 pm
He was the candidate of cultural degeneracy and now he is the president of cultural degeneracy.

Trashy tabloid TV like Current Affairs is what made him famous in the 80s and he's never been anything different.

Aye.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Rivergirl on March 24, 2017, 08:22:59 pm
Heartbreaking for all of us and for the rest of the free world. 
Perhaps this defeat will give hope to others that DT can be stopped.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 08:31:09 pm
Perhaps this defeat will give hope to others that DT can be stopped.

Few outside Trump's Amen Chorus ever doubted that defeat would be the order of the day for Trump, for the simple reason that Trump will never stop being Trump.

Imagine the difference in the political environment had Trump simply kept a leash on his thumbs and his tongue -- just that.

Hell, the guy's only been in office for 3 months, and it seems like an eternity, with the whole world waiting for the next tantrum....
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: EC on March 24, 2017, 08:36:42 pm
Hell, the guy's only been in office for 3 months, and it seems like an eternity, with the whole world waiting for the next tantrum....

Speaking of waiting for the next tantrum - twitter should be interesting about 3AM tomorrow. That's normally when he gets going.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 24, 2017, 08:41:26 pm
Speaking of waiting for the next tantrum - twitter should be interesting about 3AM tomorrow. That's normally when he gets going.  :tongue2:

(http://i.imgur.com/3ncSSHq.gif)
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 08:42:17 pm
Speaking of waiting for the next tantrum - twitter should be interesting about 3AM tomorrow. That's normally when he gets going.  :tongue2:

It's sort of like watching NASCAR races for the wrecks.  You know you shouldn't but there's a certain fascination in watching things fly apart.....
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Mom MD on March 24, 2017, 08:46:04 pm
Heartbreaking for all of us and for the rest of the free world. 
Perhaps this defeat will give hope to others that DT can be stopped.

It's certainly given hope to the dems   All judges and any tax reform legislation are now a pipe dream   Thanks to the great negotiator   Pelosi and Schumer know if the stand up to trump he will fold like a cheap suit
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 08:53:07 pm
It's certainly given hope to the dems   All judges and any tax reform legislation are now a pipe dream   Thanks to the great negotiator   Pelosi and Schumer know if the stand up to trump he will fold like a cheap suit

The funny thing is it wasn't even Pelosi and Shumer - the R's did it in. 
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 09:04:34 pm
The funny thing is it wasn't even Pelosi and Shumer - the R's did it in.

Not just the R's, though.  The Dem/Media complex played a crucial role as well: the oppositional media coverage on the plan was just brutal -- well-organized and widely disseminated, with the usual poll-driven negative feedback loop.  And then, of course, the R's themselves going for that sure-fire loser, the "all or nothing" legislation.

The post-mortem will show death by rushing, trying to do too much, and "my way or the highway" antics by the "Freedom Caucus," who can't be bothered to account for political realities.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 09:05:54 pm
"antics"   22222frying pan
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 09:11:33 pm
"antics"   22222frying pan

Well, yes -- antics.  The problem I have with those guys is that they seem to spend most of their time on the sidelines bragging about their principles, rather than getting involved in the unpleasant sausage-making of practical politics.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 09:13:39 pm
Well, yes -- antics.  The problem I have with those guys is that they seem to spend most of their time on the sidelines bragging about their principles, rather than getting involved in the unpleasant sausage-making of practical politics.

Well, I think you're dead wrong.  Unfortunately, there's just not many of them.  And as we know honest politicians are as rare as hens' teeth.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 09:19:51 pm
Well, I think you're dead wrong.  Unfortunately, there's just not many of them.  And as we know honest politicians are as rare as hens' teeth.

Think as you will: but those guys are politically ineffective for a reason, and it's not because it's somebody else's fault.  Practical politics is, for better or worse, fundamentally a system of deal-making and compromise.

A politician who is not guided by principle is the lowest sort of vermin; but a politician one who will not deign to deal due to his principles is going to spend his term in office on the outside looking in, where his principles will have no influence at all.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 09:22:00 pm
Think as you will: but those guys are politically ineffective for a reason, and it's not because it's somebody else's fault.  Practical politics is, for better or worse, fundamentally a system of deal-making and compromise.

A politician who is not guided by principle is the lowest sort of vermin; but a politician one who will not deign to deal due to his principles is going to spend his term in office on the outside looking in, where his principles will have no influence at all.

Now wait a minute, @r9etb, how many of them are there?
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: EC on March 24, 2017, 09:25:31 pm
Well, I think you're dead wrong.  Unfortunately, there's just not many of them.  And as we know honest politicians are as rare as hens' teeth.

I'm agreeing with r9etb.

Look at what happened with Boner. Sure, the freedom caucus got rid of him - then stood around with their thumbs up their asses because they had no idea who to replace him with.

They're idiots who go off half cocked.

Every. Single. Time.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 24, 2017, 09:25:54 pm
Well, yes -- antics.  The problem I have with those guys is that they seem to spend most of their time on the sidelines bragging about their principles, rather than getting involved in the unpleasant sausage-making of practical politics.

Thank God those moderates never have to make any deals with those icky conservatives.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: musiclady on March 24, 2017, 09:28:17 pm
Thank God those moderates never have to make any deals with those icky conservatives.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 09:31:37 pm
Now wait a minute, @r9etb, how many of them are there?

Well, there are only 30 of them -- so in terms of numbers they're just a handful of the House, and few of them are in any sort of leadership position.  They're pretty strongly characterized by their opposition to the leadership of their own party.  At best this group represents a bloc of swing votes, and only as such do they have much influence in the first place. 

If they want to have broader influence, they have to become involved in a meaningful way in the practical side the political process -- which for them means participating in the sorts of compromises that implies.

This now-defunct health care was a good example: as far as I can tell, they simply came out in opposition at the end of the process, and were not part of the original formulation of it.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 09:34:05 pm
I'm agreeing with r9etb.

Look at what happened with Boner. Sure, the freedom caucus got rid of him - then stood around with their thumbs up their asses because they had no idea who to replace him with.

They're idiots who go off half cocked.

Every. Single. Time.

CNN agrees with you: Why (almost) everyone hates the House Freedom Caucus http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/what-is-the-freedom-caucus/

There's what - 36 members, which is 8% of the membership.  I guess they are mighty mighty.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: r9etb on March 24, 2017, 09:37:41 pm
Thank God those moderates never have to make any deals with those icky conservatives.

It's been my observation that the icky conservatives in question -- and certainly their supporters -- seem to think that it's a betrayal of principle to make deals with the moderates.  And the moderates, already predisposed to disregard the icky conservatives, are not more likely to make deals with them when they behave as they do.

The difference is that the icky conservatives in question are wedded to principle at the expense of recognizing the complexity of real issues; whereas the moderates are so cognizant of the complexities that they usually forget that principles matter, too.

The optimal situation would be one where principles and complexities can be considered together, but the personalities on both sides seem unwilling to go there.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: EC on March 24, 2017, 09:37:47 pm
CNN occasionally shows glimpses of sense.  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 24, 2017, 09:39:30 pm
CNN occasionally shows glimpses of sense.  :tongue2:

 ****slapping
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 24, 2017, 09:53:34 pm
CNN agrees with you: Why (almost) everyone hates the House Freedom Caucus http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/what-is-the-freedom-caucus/

There's what - 36 members, which is 8% of the membership.  I guess they are mighty mighty.

I see Louie Gohmert is saying that there were far more no votes among those who aren't on the freedom caucus.

Seems to me that those who can't contain their hatred for the conservatives of the freedom caucus are exposing something about themselves.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Silver Pines on March 24, 2017, 10:12:39 pm
Let me guess. This is another "nothingburger" that we have to ignore, as it's just Trump being Trump.

Or is someone going to sprain their brain trying to explain what Trump meant here? Spicer could use all the help he can get.

@EC

Yeah, I'm done with that.  As I said earlier today, I'm over the whole "give him credit for the good he does" thing.  I'm convinced that anything good which comes out of this administration will be an accident, and it will happen in spite of Trump.  I have absolutely zero use for him.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: LMAO on March 25, 2017, 10:54:18 am
(http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=3918&pictureid=82069)

(http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=3918&pictureid=82074)

We may be seeing a one term presidency
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Sanguine on March 25, 2017, 01:37:19 pm
We may be seeing a one term presidency

If he doesn't learn real fast we might.  The bad news is that Republicans in Congress looks like amateurs and that doesn't bode well for the next election.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: catfish1957 on March 25, 2017, 01:58:52 pm
Some day when they make the movie of this fool, they will have the problem of redundant  plot line ....stealing from..... "Being There" and "Forrest Gump"
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: anubias on March 25, 2017, 02:17:24 pm
 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: EasyAce on March 25, 2017, 02:21:20 pm
Some day when they make the movie of this fool, they will have the problem of redundant  plot line ....stealing from..... "Being There" and "Forrest Gump"

They already made a movie about this fool. It was called Jaws.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 25, 2017, 02:21:59 pm
If he doesn't learn real fast we might.  The bad news is that Republicans in Congress looks like amateurs and that doesn't bode well for the next election.

All this talk about how we can correct everybody else to save Trump is a fool's errand. Trump is his own worst enemy and nothing can fix that. Congress is another separate problem.

Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: GrouchoTex on March 25, 2017, 02:45:02 pm
Not just the R's, though.  The Dem/Media complex played a crucial role as well: the oppositional media coverage on the plan was just brutal -- well-organized and widely disseminated, with the usual poll-driven negative feedback loop.  And then, of course, the R's themselves going for that sure-fire loser, the "all or nothing" legislation.

The post-mortem will show death by rushing, trying to do too much, and "my way or the highway" antics by the "Freedom Caucus," who can't be bothered to account for political realities.

I disagree, the "my way or the highway" antics were used by Trump, not the Freedom Caucus.

(1) He said it had to be done by Friday or they were moving on to Tax reform.
(2) He said he would "primary" anyone who voted against it.

The bill was watered-down Obamacare, and being against it was the right thing to do, no matter who proposed it or supported it.
Free market is the only way to make this work, like everything else.
Remove the government from it, entirely.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: Cripplecreek on March 25, 2017, 03:55:48 pm
I disagree, the "my way or the highway" antics were used by Trump, not the Freedom Caucus.

Yup. I didn't hear a single threat out of the freedom caucus.

Kinda sad to see conservatives replacing reality with one they like better.
Title: Re: Trump: Why Should I Apologize for Tying Ted Cruz’s Dad to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Post by: musiclady on March 25, 2017, 04:34:06 pm
I disagree, the "my way or the highway" antics were used by Trump, not the Freedom Caucus.

(1) He said it had to be done by Friday or they were moving on to Tax reform.
(2) He said he would "primary" anyone who voted against it.

The bill was watered-down Obamacare, and being against it was the right thing to do, no matter who proposed it or supported it.
Free market is the only way to make this work, like everything else.
Remove the government from it, entirely.

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