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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: mystery-ak on August 13, 2017, 07:12:30 pm
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Charlottesville suspect’s mother: ‘Trump’s not a white supremacist’
By Julia Manchester - 08/13/17 01:51 PM EDT
The mother of the man accused of plowing his car into a group of counter-protesters at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., on Saturday reportedly said she thought her son was going to an event associated with President Trump.
“I thought it had something to do with Trump. Trump’s not a white supremacist,” Samantha Bloom told The Associated Press late Saturday.
Bloom's 20 year-old son, James Alex Fields Jr., was charged with second-degree murder in connection with the incident.
Bloom also told the AP she was shocked her son had radically right-leaning views.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346402-charlottesville-suspects-mother-trumps-not-a-white-supremacist
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The more I understand about what happened with the 20 yo young man driving his nice car down a busy street where the antifa fascists were there with rocks and bats; the more I think he is completely innocent.
No 20 yo guy is going to trash his pride and joy on a bunch of low life leftists the world would be better without. I think he turned down the wrong street or maybe thought he would show of his car then the dirt bags started throwing rocks and taking a bat to his baby so he gunned it to get away but then ran into more people illegally in the road where they got hit in his panic to escape the mob.
The people responsible for the death and injuries are that mob who started throwing things at his car and hitting it. For now; that's my personal belief. It may change but with the info I now have; innocent and acquitted.
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I had to chuckle when you mentioned pride and joy. I had a '70 Mercury Cougar XR7, and when my pregnant wife totaled it sliding down hill on a mountain pass in a down pour, I asked "how's my car." So, your point made perfect sense to me. LOL.
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The more I understand about what happened with the 20 yo young man driving his nice car down a busy street where the antifa fascists were there with rocks and bats; the more I think he is completely innocent.
No 20 yo guy is going to trash his pride and joy on a bunch of low life leftists the world would be better without. I think he turned down the wrong street or maybe thought he would show of his car then the dirt bags started throwing rocks and taking a bat to his baby so he gunned it to get away but then ran into more people illegally in the road where they got hit in his panic to escape the mob.
The people responsible for the death and injuries are that mob who started throwing things at his car and hitting it. For now; that's my personal belief. It may change but with the info I now have; innocent and acquitted.
@Freedom928
20 year old young man with his nice car....I just....
When we become so tribalized that we can't bring ourselves to condemn murder, we're screwed as a nation.
Seriously don't believe what I read here.
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@Freedom928
20 year old young man with his nice car....I just....
When we become so tribalized that we can't bring ourselves to condemn murder, we're screwed as a nation.
Seriously don't believe what I read here.
Oh its been that way for a while. The only difference for the media is the wrong people died this time.
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Oh its been that way for a while. The only difference for the media is the wrong people died this time.
@driftdiver
I'm not talking about the media.
What I just read is evidence to me that some of us are approaching TOS-like levels of nuttery.
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@driftdiver
I'm not talking about the media.
What I just read is evidence to me that some of us are approaching TOS-like levels of nuttery.
@CatherineofAragon
Oh I've been saying that for a couple months now. You just haven't seen it because you agree with them on the subject.
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@Freedom928
20 year old young man with his nice car....I just....
When we become so tribalized that we can't bring ourselves to condemn murder, we're screwed as a nation.
Seriously don't believe what I read here.
First of all, explain to me how you know what was in that guy's mind when he sped up and if you can't, then there's no way to prove intent. Without intent there's no murder.
Someone died. Yep. That's a bummer. Ten to twenty people are murdered with intent just about every week in Chicago alone. Are you just as vocal and disbelieving about them?
Nope, until it can be proven this guy intended to run people down and crash his pride and joy car, he is innocent. If it's proven this guy was trying to get away from the angry mob of antifa fascists and anarchists who just love violence and promote it every chance they get; this young man is innocent.
I can't believe you are so ready to condemn someone without proof. What if that same standard were used against you or maybe one of your kids? Could you live with that knowing a mob tried and hung your kids without actual proof of wrongdoing.
I posit this kid of just 20 years made an error in judgment by driving down that street. Why he did that I don't know. We do know he isn't from the area so maybe he was looking for a place to park and found himself in the middle of the angry mob throwing things at his car then hitting it so he found himself in that fight or flight mode. He chose to flee knowing what similar mobs have done to people in the past.
Nope, unless you can prove otherwise, all this kid is guilty of is an error in judgment which is not illegal or we would all be in jail for some dumb thing or another.
I find it unconscionable you are so closed minded about this. You must be a leftist.
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If one is vehemently opposed to the Constitution as founded, written, and understood, I'm perfectly happy with "murder" (definition subject to situation).
@CatherineofAragon
Its called, Civil War, and is extremely gruesome and bloody.
We're on the path for another.
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If one is vehemently opposed to the Constitution as founded, written, and understood, I'm perfectly happy with "murder" (definition subject to situation).
@CatherineofAragon
Its called, Civil War, and is extremely gruesome and bloody.
We're on the path for another.
@Crazieman
And that's nothing but the kind of batcrap lunacy you see at TOS. Don't hand me that subjective definition crap. Words have meaning, and you're not allowed to redefine them in order to serve your politics.
Murder means unjustifiable homicide---period. And here you are calling for it, trying to make this site look like a nutcase fringe hangout. It isn't that.
Please spare me from the coming Civil War talk. You going to be on the front lines? No, you're sitting in your recliner and hoping you'll get to watch the action on Fox, like the rest of them yelling about it.
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First of all, explain to me how you know what was in that guy's mind when he sped up and if you can't, then there's no way to prove intent. Without intent there's no murder.
Someone died. Yep. That's a bummer. Ten to twenty people are murdered with intent just about every week in Chicago alone. Are you just as vocal and disbelieving about them?
Nope, until it can be proven this guy intended to run people down and crash his pride and joy car, he is innocent. If it's proven this guy was trying to get away from the angry mob of antifa fascists and anarchists who just love violence and promote it every chance they get; this young man is innocent.
I can't believe you are so ready to condemn someone without proof. What if that same standard were used against you or maybe one of your kids? Could you live with that knowing a mob tried and hung your kids without actual proof of wrongdoing.
I posit this kid of just 20 years made an error in judgment by driving down that street. Why he did that I don't know. We do know he isn't from the area so maybe he was looking for a place to park and found himself in the middle of the angry mob throwing things at his car then hitting it so he found himself in that fight or flight mode. He chose to flee knowing what similar mobs have done to people in the past.
Nope, unless you can prove otherwise, all this kid is guilty of is an error in judgment which is not illegal or we would all be in jail for some dumb thing or another.
I find it unconscionable you are so closed minded about this. You must be a leftist.
@Freedom928
Was that last lame accusation supposed to inflame? I'll be honest, it just makes me shake my head at your knee jerk simplemindedness.
You must not be aware that "innocent until proven guilty" is for the courtroom. We're free to personally condemn as we see fit.
What does his age have to do with anything? I don't give a damn if he's 20 or 90. Do you use that same standard to excuse other types of thug behavior?
Maybe you ought to do a little research into the poor, sweet, scared boy you're defending. Read about the pro-Nazi paper he wrote in school. And about the two times his wheelchair-bound mother had to call 911 on him. She locked herself in a bathroom because he hit her and pulled a knife on her.
Poor boy...he's only 20. He's just a baby who isn't finished growing yet.
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I've never believed Trump was a racist. The problem is that he simply doesn't care who supports him and seems willing to do anything to make sure they do so.
Trump finally got around to naming the neonazi clowns by name yesterday then immediately turned around and retweeted alt right conspiracy theorist clown Jack Probosiec as if he was trying to telegraph that his earlier denunciation was just for show.
Ben Shapiro is absolutely correct in pointing out that these people are not conservative or right wing in any way shape or form. Trump could only gain support by firmly and decisively rejecting them like Ronald Regan did.
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Poor boy...he's only 20. He's just a baby who isn't finished growing yet.
He was just starting to turn his life around. *****rollingeyes*****
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@Freedom928
You must not be aware that "innocent until proven guilty" is for the courtroom. We're free to personally condemn as we see fit.
What does his age have to do with anything? I don't give a damn if he's 20 or 90. Do you use that same standard to excuse other types of thug behavior?
Maybe you ought to do a little research into the poor, sweet, scared boy you're defending. Read about the pro-Nazi paper he wrote in school. And about the two times his wheelchair-bound mother had to call 911 on him. She locked herself in a bathroom because he hit her and pulled a knife on her.
You clearly know nothing about young men and their cars. Of course you are free to condemn Jesus Christ if you like. This is America not Canada where saying anything against Islam will land you in jail but you can trash Christianity if you like with no repercussions.
The kid is no angel and it does sound like he was heading in the wrong direction but none of that is proof he would drive his pride and joy into a crowd and wreck it. It defies common sense.
Again, you don't need my permission to condemn God if you like, maybe you will condemn your parents next for having you, I don't know. I think I'll wait until I get some facts to base an opinion on before I string him up in the town square along with the rest of the anarchist mob from antifa who are the Nazi Brown Shirts of today. I hope you don't mind if I condemn their actions the same way you condemn the kid. They are no better than the Aryan Brotherhood they were there to protest against.
I prefer to think outside the box, gather the facts, then make an informed opinion.
I have no desire to get into a further pissing contest with you or anyone else so maybe we can just leave it at that.
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He was just starting to turn his life around. *****rollingeyes*****
He could have been obama's son with the right make up and desire for boys.
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This "Patriot Nurse" puts it all in perspective better than I can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZoSxMEe3I
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He was just starting to turn his life around. *****rollingeyes*****
@Cripplecreek
Too bad he didn't turn the car around.
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@Freedom928
You clearly know nothing about young men and their cars
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You're right. I have a husband who's been into Corvettes since he was seven and who used to race occasionally when he was a teenager, and who treats cars like they're fine porcelain, sometimes to my irritation, bless him. But I have no idea about males and and how they feel about cars.
Even if I didn't, if the moron was crazy enough to run someone down, he was hardly thinking about his paint job.
Of course you are free to condemn Jesus Christ if you like. This is America not Canada where saying anything against Islam will land you in jail but you can trash Christianity if you like with no repercussions.
What are you even talking about?
The kid is no angel and it does sound like he was heading in the wrong direction but none of that is proof he would drive his pride and joy into a crowd and wreck it. It defies common sense.
Oh, yeah, if he slapped his handicapped mother around and threatened her with and knife, and then killed someone with his car, I think it's pretty safe to say he was "heading in the wrong direction." Yes. Just a little.
Again, you don't need my permission to condemn God if you like,
Again, where did I condemn God and what on earth are you talking about? Are you hallucinating?
maybe you will condemn your parents next for having you, I don't know.
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I think I'll wait until I get some facts to base an opinion on before I string him up in the town square along with the rest of the anarchist mob from antifa who are the Nazi Brown Shirts of today. I hope you don't mind if I condemn their actions the same way you condemn the kid. They are no better than the Aryan Brotherhood they were there to protest against.
The facts are out there. You can google them easily, but they would interfere with the opinion you want to hold onto.
And the little darling who wrote a paper defending Nazis, and who MURDERED SOMEONE, is no better than any of them. But you go right ahead and defend the mother-abusing piece of crap because you think he's better than the left. (Never mind that he WAS the left).
I prefer to think outside the box, gather the facts, then make an informed opinion.
That's hardly thinking outside the box. It's behaving rationally. You're dismissing facts so you can hold onto your fantasy of a wholesome guy with his car who's being victimized. You're defending the indefensible.
I have no desire to get into a further pissing contest with you or anyone else so maybe we can just leave it at that.
In other words, you want to post and run. I don't play that.
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In other words, you want to post and run. I don't play that.
No other words. You clearly cannot see the issue as it is and have an insurmountable bias. There's literally nothing left for us to discuss. Now if you're done trying to put words into my mouth; I'm going to move on after these last words in this discussion with you.
PS: Be sure to wear a helmet and kevlar to your next Antifa/Anarchist riot in case someone else is trying to save their life by driving away from those crazies. Next time it might be on purpose with a bull guard on the front of one ton truck and not some confused kid's personal car. The day is coming when they, with their bats and rocks, meet a more determined foe. I'd advise you to not be there when it happens. We can only be pushed so hard until we push back. When we do finally push back; it won't be pretty. Finally; remember that your people brought this on themselves.
Every generation or two these punks come out of the woodwork and have to be put back in their place. Now is that time again. Remember, the Antifa Fanatics and Anarchists have no message. It's all smoke and mirrors. They just do this rioting and violence because they like it. That's what bully's do. The best way to handle bully's is to stand up to them and hit them hard. Hard enough they won't think about doing it again for another generation or two. We are at war. There are casualties in war. If we nip it in the bud fast enough the casualties will be minimal instead of the 620k we had in the 1860's. If it goes full on like that one; plan on millions of dead and millions more injured. Is that what you really want?
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The Left is Marching the Nation Towards Civil War
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/08/the-left-is-marching-the-nation-towards-civil-war/ (http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/08/the-left-is-marching-the-nation-towards-civil-war/)
This op-ed about the upcoming civil war between the left and right is spot on IMHO. YMMV. FWIW.
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No other words. You clearly cannot see the issue as it is and have an insurmountable bias. There's literally nothing left for us to discuss. Now if you're done trying to put words into my mouth; I'm going to move on after these last words in this discussion with you.
PS: Be sure to wear a helmet and kevlar to your next Antifa/Anarchist riot in case someone else is trying to save their life by driving away from those crazies. Next time it might be on purpose with a bull guard on the front of one ton truck and not some confused kid's personal car. The day is coming when they, with their bats and rocks, meet a more determined foe. I'd advise you to not be there when it happens. We can only be pushed so hard until we push back. When we do finally push back; it won't be pretty. Finally; remember that your people brought this on themselves.
Every generation or two these punks come out of the woodwork and have to be put back in their place. Now is that time again. Remember, the Antifa Fanatics and Anarchists have no message. It's all smoke and mirrors. They just do this rioting and violence because they like it. That's what bully's do. The best way to handle bully's is to stand up to them and hit them hard. Hard enough they won't think about doing it again for another generation or two. We are at war. There are casualties in war. If we nip it in the bud fast enough the casualties will be minimal instead of the 620k we had in the 1860's. If it goes full on like that one; plan on millions of dead and millions more injured. Is that what you really want?
@Freedom928
You're damn right I have a bias against Nazis and those who sympathize with them. That includes you, by the way.
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The more I understand about what happened with the 20 yo young man driving his nice car down a busy street where the antifa fascists were there with rocks and bats; the more I think he is completely innocent.
Completely? No. In the video, there is no visible damage to his car until he drives into the crowd. Prior to that, he had options to turn right or left at a couple intersections. His decision to go forward into a group of people, causing the death of one in the injury to others, is criminal negligence at the very least.
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@Freedom928
You're damn right I have a bias against Nazis and those who sympathize with them. That includes you, by the way.
I have no idea where you got the idea I'm a Nazi/KKK sympathizer or member. You radicalized leftists tend to jump to conclusions that don't exist. I am not a member nor a sympathizer but I do believe in our Constitution and it says they have a right to assemble and protest.
It would be like me saying you are an ISIS/BLM/Antifa/Taliban/Black Panther sympathizer without a shred of proof. But since we are on the subject; are you?
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I erased a bunch of stuff you probably wouldn't read just like last time since you didn't get through the first sentence so allow me to digress to another subject that you also won't read.
I'll leave you with this nugget of fact. We are going to have a period of low unemployment and good economy but in 10-20 years when the robots/machines/computers start taking more and more of the jobs people now do; things will get really crazy unless there are enough new jobs generated or we have a reduction in population. The machines will reach a turning point, or rather we will advance them to a certain point, then all they need to do is see us do the job for a day, or maybe just a few minutes, then they can do it from that point on. That only applies to the first one. After that it's just a matter of sending the new code to the next one and so on. They will recharge via radio type waves and they can go 24/7 without stopping to have a baby, get sick, complain, or miss a day for any reason other than repairs. They won't get paid or have Unions or lawsuits. We will be obsolete so who then will buy the products the machine's make if we are all unemployed or on welfare?
Cars will be electric with just a few moving parts to go bad. To fix them the drive train or battery pack is swapped out. Tires by then will last the life of the battery pack or maybe the car itself. If the powers that be have their way, we won't even own a car, just dial one up on our implanted smart phone by just thinking it. They of course will be self driving. We won't even be able to touch the hidden electronic controls.
What does all this have to do with racism? Nothing directly but more of us will have nothing better to do than think of more ways to be angry. Far more than now. Won't that be fun!!?
The good news? Flying cars will be a reality and they will be affordable to the common person assuming they have a job because non-paid robots made them. Kids today do have something to look forward to if they are smart enough to learn and understand how to fix robots. They will need to be part engineer, mechanic, electronics expert, and salesman. All menial jobs will be done by machines until machines become sentient then, uh-oh, guess who does the menial jobs then? I sure hope space exploration is well underway and most of us have left the planet by then to colonize new worlds across the galaxy (in a far far away place). Nod to Star Wars. :)
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And this is just about where the conversation ended at TOS back in 2005 or so when someone from TBR threw me a lifeline and I was saved from that racist bigoted forum along with many others who enjoy civil conservative political discussion and debate. God I hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
Up to recently our MODS have been great at keeping the occasional fiery debate from getting out of hand, but more than a few here are making their jobs very difficult.
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And this is just about where the conversation ended at TOS back in 2005 or so when someone from TBR threw me a lifeline and I was saved from that racist bigoted forum along with many others who enjoy civil conservative political discussion and debate. God I hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
Up to recently our MODS have been great at keeping the occasional fiery debate from getting out of hand, but more than a few here are making their jobs very difficult.
If you do twitter be sure to give me a follow. You'll see a few familiar faces among my followers.
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I have no idea where you got the idea I'm a Nazi/KKK sympathizer or member. You radicalized leftists tend to jump to conclusions that don't exist. I am not a member nor a sympathizer but I do believe in our Constitution and it says they have a right to assemble and protest.
It would be like me saying you are an ISIS/BLM/Antifa/Taliban/Black Panther sympathizer without a shred of proof. But since we are on the subject; are you?
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I erased a bunch of stuff you probably wouldn't read just like last time since you didn't get through the first sentence so allow me to digress to another subject that you also won't read.
I'll leave you with this nugget of fact. We are going to have a period of low unemployment and good economy but in 10-20 years when the robots/machines/computers start taking more and more of the jobs people now do; things will get really crazy unless there are enough new jobs generated or we have a reduction in population. The machines will reach a turning point, or rather we will advance them to a certain point, then all they need to do is see us do the job for a day, or maybe just a few minutes, then they can do it from that point on. That only applies to the first one. After that it's just a matter of sending the new code to the next one and so on. They will recharge via radio type waves and they can go 24/7 without stopping to have a baby, get sick, complain, or miss a day for any reason other than repairs. They won't get paid or have Unions or lawsuits. We will be obsolete so who then will buy the products the machine's make if we are all unemployed or on welfare?
Cars will be electric with just a few moving parts to go bad. To fix them the drive train or battery pack is swapped out. Tires by then will last the life of the battery pack or maybe the car itself. If the powers that be have their way, we won't even own a car, just dial one up on our implanted smart phone by just thinking it. They of course will be self driving. We won't even be able to touch the hidden electronic controls.
What does all this have to do with racism? Nothing directly but more of us will have nothing better to do than think of more ways to be angry. Far more than now. Won't that be fun!!?
The good news? Flying cars will be a reality and they will be affordable to the common person assuming they have a job because non-paid robots made them. Kids today do have something to look forward to if they are smart enough to learn and understand how to fix robots. They will need to be part engineer, mechanic, electronics expert, and salesman. All menial jobs will be done by machines until machines become sentient then, uh-oh, guess who does the menial jobs then? I sure hope space exploration is well underway and most of us have left the planet by then to colonize new worlds across the galaxy (in a far far away place). Nod to Star Wars. :)
@Freedom928
I read your posts. I just dismiss most of the content.
I can't imagine where I got the idea you're a Nazi sympathizer, unless it's your attempts to excuse and justify their actions.
That's a nice little fanfic you have going there. It must keep you stirred up just enough to call for civil war ("let's get it on", lol) while you sit in your recliner and stock up on Cheetos to watch all the action on TV.
By the way, weren't you going to move on? Twice?
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And this is just about where the conversation ended at TOS back in 2005 or so when someone from TBR threw me a lifeline and I was saved from that racist bigoted forum along with many others who enjoy civil conservative political discussion and debate. God I hope the same thing doesn't happen here.
Up to recently our MODS have been great at keeping the occasional fiery debate from getting out of hand, but more than a few here are making their jobs very difficult.
@NavyCanDo
I hope you don't go anywhere. There are only a few yahoos trying to openly push the fringe nutcase TOS-type stuff.
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@Freedom928
I can't imagine where I got the idea you're a Nazi sympathizer, unless it's your attempts to excuse and justify their actions.
Probably the same place I figured you were a ISIS/BLM/Antifa/Taliban/Black Panther sympathizer. I invented it out thin air. Then again; you never did answer the question so you may very well be. Frankly; it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
That's a nice little fanfic you have going there. It must keep you stirred up just enough to call for civil war ("let's get it on", lol) while you sit in your recliner and stock up on Cheetos to watch all the action on TV.
Hey, you're the expert on armchair quarterbacking, you tell me.
By the way, weren't you going to move on? Twice?
Maybe. Are you under the impression a fella can't change his mind. Besides; most that last post wasn't directed at you anyway. I doubt you would understand the nuances in the meaning since you don't understand the relationship a young man could have with his car. There's a slight possibility I could be wrong though.
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He probably bought the car with the trust fund money he got when he was 18. So far, the kid isn't talking as best I can tell. If he is talking, he's not saying what the puppeteers wants us to hear. It's possible that his got thumped with a bat and he took off. There is a clip that appears to show that. But he should not have even been there in the first place.
I'm OK with executing him. Just one less mentally ill person to deal with.
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He probably bought the car with the trust fund money he got when he was 18. So far, the kid isn't talking as best I can tell. If he is talking, he's not saying what the puppeteers wants us to hear. It's possible that his got thumped with a bat and he took off. There is a clip that appears to show that. But he should not have even been there in the first place.
I'm OK with executing him. Just one less mentally ill person to deal with.
Based on the registration information, the car is. 2010 with the 6 cylinder. It's neither a true muscle car, nor is it very expensive.
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Why did this Heather Heyer person die? What was she doing in the middle of the road? Now we know; she was giving a car driver a hard time preventing the driver from moving forward then when the 20 yo panicked and ran into the back of one of the cars she got pinned in. She should not have been there in the first place. The blame, IMHO, is on the shoulders of these anti-protesters who should not have been there in the first place. At best; this was an accident. No murder. No intent to harm. Just a lousy accident. See pic below.
(https://s26.postimg.org/3uk83wkvd/whyshedied.jpg)
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Why did this Heather Heyer person die? What was she doing in the middle of the road? Now we know; she was giving a car driver a hard time preventing the driver from moving forward then when the 20 yo panicked and ran into the back of one of the cars she got pinned in. She should not have been there in the first place. The blame, IMHO, is on the shoulders of these anti-protesters who should not have been there in the first place. At best; this was an accident. No murder. No intent to harm. Just a lousy accident. See pic below.
(https://s26.postimg.org/3uk83wkvd/whyshedied.jpg)
I'm not so sure. In this video, there is no one between the two cars. I think she is the person struck and flung over the silver car onto the windshield.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpeVIuf4Uk
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Maybe. Are you under the impression a fella can't change his mind. Besides; most that last post wasn't directed at you anyway. I doubt you would understand the nuances in the meaning since you don't understand the relationship a young man could have with his car. There's a slight possibility I could be wrong though.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...Your Honor...I submit to you that the defendant could not have killed her. Yes, he's a loon, yes, he threatened his handicapped mother with a knife and yes, he struck her. Yes, she called the cops on him more than once. Yes, he was a known Nazi sympathizer.
But I submit that he is innocent because he really liked that car's paint job."
Look, that was dumb as a rock the first time you said it, and it hasn't improved. Also, your insistence on using it tells me you don't read what people post to you. But you've been trying to absolve that murdering, mother-abusing piece of crap since yesterday. And you're still at it.
@Freedom928
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...Your Honor...I submit to you that the defendant could not have killed her. Yes, he's a loon, yes, he threatened his handicapped mother with a knife and yes, he struck her. Yes, she called the cops on him more than once. Yes, he was a known Nazi sympathizer.
But I submit that he is innocent because he really liked that car's paint job."
Look, that was dumb as a rock the first time you said it, and it hasn't improved. Also, your insistence on using it tells me you don't read what people post to you. But you've been trying to absolve that murdering, mother-abusing piece of crap since yesterday. And you're still at it.
@Freedom928
@CatherineofAragon
You forgot a part: "bless your heart!"
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@Freedom928
Catherine is a long respected member here, she is in very good standing and an asset to this forum. She invited a number of Ted Cruz and perhaps other candidates supporters here. One should not question her. Take a walk, think about things and calm down and be respectful of others.
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@Freedom928
Catherine is a long respected member here, she is in very good standing and an asset to this forum. She invited a number of Ted Cruz and perhaps other candidates supporters here. One should not question her. Take a walk, think about things and calm down and be respectful of others.
You should be directing your comments about respect to her. She started this. Now here you are saying I should take my whipping like a good little boy because she's been here a minute longer than me. Harumph. She's wrong. I'm right. Better yet; let's see what the courts have to say once all the evidence is in. It sounds like there are actual antifa supporters here. :nono: I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question.
Let me guess; you were a Cruz voter too? Him and Rubio, among others, were other bullets we dodged; thank God! We needed strong leadership to counteract all the damage caused by ole dumbo ears. We need our immigration laws enforced. We don't need a Prez who only enforces laws he likes. Only Trump, among the entire line up, is capable cleaning the swamp and even he can only start on it. You can tell we picked the right guy because all the right (wrong?) people hate him. The swamp is deep and full of garbage. Only a man who can't be bought or threatened can fix it. This is our last chance. If this doesn't work; say goodbye to the country you grew up with because it will be gone in a minute. They are already trying to do a whitewash on our history. I call that sedition and should be punishable by no less than 10 years on a hard labor work farm. No free rides in some cushy resort prison. That MO state senator calling for the assassination of President Trump should never see the light of day again. In the old days after the trial they would have just taken her out back and hung her right then. No sense in waiting.
This kid is wrongheaded for belonging to the white supremacist group, everyone can agree with that, but it isn't illegal. I'm going to post a picture of the actual criminal in this car thing. You can see the young white guy swinging a bat or large stick at the back of the car. It was right after that the kid took off to get away from the angry mob. Everyone also knows these leftist mobs can get very violent and have in the past. He was trying to save his own life. There's no question about it. The antifa people are the guilty party and that kid swinging the stick in particular. Everything that happens after that as a result is on the kid with the stick. The driver is completely innocent of any criminal wrongdoing. Anyone with 2 brain cells can see that. Look carefully at the faces of the antifa crowd. You can tell they see his White something or other shirt. You can see they are getting ready to go mob on him. If we can see that then the kid driving the car could see it too. His life was in danger. He may be an idiot for hooking up with the wrong crowd but he was smart enough to know his life was in danger. The second that stick hit the car he knew he had to beat feet and get away from this mob. Anyone who can't see that is in denial.
(https://s26.postimg.org/aman6r9ux/cargettinghit.jpg)
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Not only do I hope the driver beats this bum rap but I hope he sues the antifa group and the rich ahole who funds them, George Soros, and wins enough so he can take care of his mom and they never have to work again. Hopefully he will but if he can't find something that fits him; then they will still be okay.
I also hope he learned something about belonging to hate groups whether it's antifa or the KKK, both the same thing with opposing views, but ironically both leftists. Like Shia and Sunni Muslims. Crazy!
I call this a teachable moment. Now I just hope the Patriots stay away from these fake protest rallies between leftists in the future so the media can't lump them all together.
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You should be directing your comments about respect to her. She started this. Now here you are saying I should take my whipping like a good little boy because she's been here a minute longer than me. Harumph. She's wrong. I'm right. Better yet; let's see what the courts have to say once all the evidence is in. It sounds like there are actual antifa supporters here. :nono: I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question.
Let me guess; you were a Cruz voter too? Him and Rubio, among others, were other bullets we dodged; thank God! We needed strong leadership to counteract all the damage caused by ole dumbo ears. We need our immigration laws enforced. We don't need a Prez who only enforces laws he likes. Only Trump, among the entire line up, is capable cleaning the swamp and even he can only start on it. You can tell we picked the right guy because all the right (wrong?) people hate him. The swamp is deep and full of garbage. Only a man who can't be bought or threatened can fix it. This is our last chance. If this doesn't work; say goodbye to the country you grew up with because it will be gone in a minute. They are already trying to do a whitewash on our history. I call that sedition and should be punishable by no less than 10 years on a hard labor work farm. No free rides in some cushy resort prison. That MO state senator calling for the assassination of President Trump should never see the light of day again. In the old days after the trial they would have just taken her out back and hung her right then. No sense in waiting.
This kid is wrongheaded for belonging to the white supremacist group, everyone can agree with that, but it isn't illegal. I'm going to post a picture of the actual criminal in this car thing. You can see the young white guy swinging a bat or large stick at the back of the car. It was right after that the kid took off to get away from the angry mob. Everyone also knows these leftist mobs can get very violent and have in the past. He was trying to save his own life. There's no question about it. The antifa people are the guilty party and that kid swinging the stick in particular. Everything that happens after that as a result is on the kid with the stick. The driver is completely innocent of any criminal wrongdoing. Anyone with 2 brain cells can see that. Look carefully at the faces of the antifa crowd. You can tell they see his White something or other shirt. You can see they are getting ready to go mob on him. If we can see that then the kid driving the car could see it too. His life was in danger. He may be an idiot for hooking up with the wrong crowd but he was smart enough to know his life was in danger. The second that stick hit the car he knew he had to beat feet and get away from this mob. Anyone who can't see that is in denial.
(https://s26.postimg.org/aman6r9ux/cargettinghit.jpg)
@Freedom928
I'm the only person in the first world who hadn't seen video yet, so I'd assumed there was a real possibility of this being unintentional.
But, sorry, but the "pride and joy" hypothesis doesn't hold water now that ive seen the evidence. That wasn't a jumpy love-tap... If one is panicking, rigging for ramming speed (with enough room to get a good run) isn't the response you'll see.
If you have evidence that model of vehicle has no reverse gear, let us hear it.
You can tell we picked the right guy because all the right (wrong?) people hate him.
Now I can understand why you might be inclined toward a neo-nazi. After all, the horrific Stalin was against Hitler, so by your reasoning, Hitler must have been right.
I would beg to differ with you on that. Your reasoning is fallacious.
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After all, the horrific Stalin was against Hitler, so by your reasoning, Hitler must have been right.
Stalin was for Hitler, before he was against Hitler.
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I'm not so sure. In this video, there is no one between the two cars. I think she is the person struck and flung over the silver car onto the windshield.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpeVIuf4Uk
I have been having a hell of a time getting more than a few seonds of anything from Youtube to play on this machine, yet in the first few seconds of that one, it clearly shows the woman in the green top catapulted from behind the white car, over the roof and onto the hood of the white car by the impact from behind. You are correct, in that she was not caught between the white car and the minivan but knocked onto the cat by the suspect's vehicle, from behind.
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@Freedom928
I'm the only person in the first world who hadn't seen video yet, so I'd assumed there was a real possibility of this being unintentional.
But, sorry, but the "pride and joy" hypothesis doesn't hold water now that ive seen the evidence. That wasn't a jumpy love-tap... If one is panicking, rigging for ramming speed (with enough room to get a good run) isn't the response you'll see.
If you have evidence that model of vehicle has no reverse gear, let us hear it.
Now I can understand why you might be inclined toward a neo-nazi. After all, the horrific Stalin was against Hitler, so by your reasoning, Hitler must have been right.
I would beg to differ with you on that. Your reasoning is fallacious.
If you can't see the clear evidence this guy is innocent; there's nothing I can say to change your mind. We'll just have to hope the prosecutor pours over the mounds of evidence and comes to the same conclusion I did.
If somehow justice is corrupted and he is found guilty while the true guilty people in that antifa crowd walk; then those of us who believe God will at least know the faulty scales of justice on earth will be made right in heaven when this unfortunate kid gets there and those who did him wrong will be made to pay as well as those responsible. I can't stand what he was into that day but it's obvious he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and was just trying save his own skin. Obvious to me at least. Other opinions may vary.
Frankly I'm surprise at the reaction here. Again; I thought this was a conservative forum. I guess I was wrong. Conservatives are far more fair minded.
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It sounds like there are actual antifa supporters here.
I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question.
Can't agree with the bold. Opposition to antifa-la-la is pretty much the default position here.
As for the italics, saddens me to say you haven't been the only one to pose that question.
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@CatherineofAragon
You forgot a part: "bless your heart!"
@Axeslinger
Lol
I've only ever used that one to denote affection. I guess I should hand in my Southern woman card because, as an insult, to me it seems weak. *ducks*
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You should be directing your comments about respect to her. She started this. Now here you are saying I should take my whipping like a good little boy because she's been here a minute longer than me. Harumph. She's wrong. I'm right. Better yet; let's see what the courts have to say once all the evidence is in. It sounds like there are actual antifa supporters here. :nono: I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question.
Let me guess; you were a Cruz voter too? Him and Rubio, among others, were other bullets we dodged; thank God! We needed strong leadership to counteract all the damage caused by ole dumbo ears. We need our immigration laws enforced. We don't need a Prez who only enforces laws he likes. Only Trump, among the entire line up, is capable cleaning the swamp and even he can only start on it. You can tell we picked the right guy because all the right (wrong?) people hate him. The swamp is deep and full of garbage. Only a man who can't be bought or threatened can fix it. This is our last chance. If this doesn't work; say goodbye to the country you grew up with because it will be gone in a minute. They are already trying to do a whitewash on our history. I call that sedition and should be punishable by no less than 10 years on a hard labor work farm. No free rides in some cushy resort prison. That MO state senator calling for the assassination of President Trump should never see the light of day again. In the old days after the trial they would have just taken her out back and hung her right then. No sense in waiting.
This kid is wrongheaded for belonging to the white supremacist group, everyone can agree with that, but it isn't illegal. I'm going to post a picture of the actual criminal in this car thing. You can see the young white guy swinging a bat or large stick at the back of the car. It was right after that the kid took off to get away from the angry mob. Everyone also knows these leftist mobs can get very violent and have in the past. He was trying to save his own life. There's no question about it. The antifa people are the guilty party and that kid swinging the stick in particular. Everything that happens after that as a result is on the kid with the stick. The driver is completely innocent of any criminal wrongdoing. Anyone with 2 brain cells can see that. Look carefully at the faces of the antifa crowd. You can tell they see his White something or other shirt. You can see they are getting ready to go mob on him. If we can see that then the kid driving the car could see it too. His life was in danger. He may be an idiot for hooking up with the wrong crowd but he was smart enough to know his life was in danger. The second that stick hit the car he knew he had to beat feet and get away from this mob. Anyone who can't see that is in denial.
(https://s26.postimg.org/aman6r9ux/cargettinghit.jpg)
@Freedom928
@TomSea's post was pure sarcasm (and I'm actually kind of proud of him, because it's pretty well done and I wouldn't have thought him capable). Didn't the "don't question her" part clue you in even a little? This is an open forum. It isn't TOS, where some bellowing yahoo bans you for daring to ask questions.
So you're a true believer...still trusting in Trump the magic man to drain the swamp when he's created his own. I'll bet you were one of those yelling "Goldman-Sachs" at Cruz and his wife. Lol, do you know how many GS people Trump has brought in?
You're right, belonging to a Nazi group isn't illegal.
BUT MURDER IS ILLEGAL.
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I have been having a hell of a time getting more than a few seonds of anything from Youtube to play on this machine, yet in the first few seconds of that one, it clearly shows the woman in the green top catapulted from behind the white car, over the roof and onto the hood of the white car by the impact from behind. You are correct, in that she was not caught between the white car and the minivan but knocked onto the car by the suspect's vehicle, from behind.
(https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2017/08/16/man-hit-in-charlottesville-rally-attack-pushed-fiance-out-of-the-way/the-crash.jpg.size.custom.crop.850x566.jpg)
It also lines up with the eyewitness statement of the black male in the white shirt pictured tumbling over the car. He and his fiancée were friends with Heyer. They were marching together near the rear of the silver car when Fields approached. He shoved his fiancée out of the way and suffered fractures to his lower left leg. You can see it being flexed and pronated is the picture.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/08/16/man-hit-in-charlottesville-rally-attack-pushed-fiance-out-of-the-way.html
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Not only do I hope the driver beats this bum rap but I hope he sues the antifa group and the rich ahole who funds them, George Soros, and wins enough so he can take care of his mom and they never have to work again. Hopefully he will but if he can't find something that fits him; then they will still be okay.
I also hope he learned something about belonging to hate groups whether it's antifa or the KKK, both the same thing with opposing views, but ironically both leftists. Like Shia and Sunni Muslims. Crazy!
I call this a teachable moment. Now I just hope the Patriots stay away from these fake protest rallies between leftists in the future so the media can't lump them all together.
@Freedom928
It's immoral to want a killer to get off scot-free because of tribalism. When you reach that point, you've become what you hate.
You don't want football players at protests? They have rights, too.
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@Freedom928
It's immoral to want a killer to get off scot-free because of tribalism. When you reach that point, you've become what you hate.
It also leads to ever more intrusive government. Racist juries refusing to convict obviously guilty men of murder of blacks led to federalizing of race crimes. It was the right of those juries to refuse to convict but their immorality led to new federal venues being chosen where convictions were guaranteed.
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You should be directing your comments about respect to her. She started this. Now here you are saying I should take my whipping like a good little boy because she's been here a minute longer than me. Harumph. She's wrong. I'm right. Better yet; let's see what the courts have to say once all the evidence is in. It sounds like there are actual antifa supporters here. :nono: I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question.
Let me guess; you were a Cruz voter too? Him and Rubio, among others, were other bullets we dodged; thank God! We needed strong leadership to counteract all the damage caused by ole dumbo ears. We need our immigration laws enforced. We don't need a Prez who only enforces laws he likes. Only Trump, among the entire line up, is capable cleaning the swamp and even he can only start on it. You can tell we picked the right guy because all the right (wrong?) people hate him. The swamp is deep and full of garbage. Only a man who can't be bought or threatened can fix it. This is our last chance. If this doesn't work; say goodbye to the country you grew up with because it will be gone in a minute. They are already trying to do a whitewash on our history. I call that sedition and should be punishable by no less than 10 years on a hard labor work farm. No free rides in some cushy resort prison. That MO state senator calling for the assassination of President Trump should never see the light of day again. In the old days after the trial they would have just taken her out back and hung her right then. No sense in waiting.
This kid is wrongheaded for belonging to the white supremacist group, everyone can agree with that, but it isn't illegal. I'm going to post a picture of the actual criminal in this car thing. You can see the young white guy swinging a bat or large stick at the back of the car. It was right after that the kid took off to get away from the angry mob. Everyone also knows these leftist mobs can get very violent and have in the past. He was trying to save his own life. There's no question about it. The antifa people are the guilty party and that kid swinging the stick in particular. Everything that happens after that as a result is on the kid with the stick. The driver is completely innocent of any criminal wrongdoing. Anyone with 2 brain cells can see that. Look carefully at the faces of the antifa crowd. You can tell they see his White something or other shirt. You can see they are getting ready to go mob on him. If we can see that then the kid driving the car could see it too. His life was in danger. He may be an idiot for hooking up with the wrong crowd but he was smart enough to know his life was in danger. The second that stick hit the car he knew he had to beat feet and get away from this mob. Anyone who can't see that is in denial.
(https://s26.postimg.org/aman6r9ux/cargettinghit.jpg)
You are one sick little puppy.
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You are one sick little puppy.
Well lets not forget that the site posted in the original post is an alt right / neonazi site with a PepeTrump logo at the top and cannot be considered a legitimate source of info
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@CatherineofAragon
I'm afraid you're wrong @Freedom928
https://s26.postimg.org/aman6r9ux/cargettinghit.jpg
You can see this same individual hitting the car at the 2:03 mark in the video that @edpc posted above:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpeVIuf4Uk
In that video three things are clear AND indisputable:
He drove at far higher than safe speed into a street crowded with people.
THEN his car was hit by the individual above (2:03 point in video)
At no point did he hit his brakes (the lights never even flickered)
Any continued argument only embarrasses you. When you find yourself in a hole, first stop digging.
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@CatherineofAragon
I'm afraid you're wrong @Freedom928
https://s26.postimg.org/aman6r9ux/cargettinghit.jpg
You can see this same individual hitting the car at the 2:03 mark in the video that @edpc posted above:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxpeVIuf4Uk
In that video three things are clear AND indisputable:
He drove at far higher than safe speed into a street crowded with people.
THEN his car was hit by the individual above (2:03 point in video)
At no point did he hit his brakes (the lights never even flickered)
Any continued argument only embarrasses you. When you find yourself in a hole, first stop digging.
Spot on analysis.
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@CatherineofAragon
You quoted Freedom928 as saying, "You should be directing your comments about respect to her. She started this. Now here you are saying I should take my whipping like a good little boy because she's been here a minute longer than me. Harumph. She's wrong. I'm right. ...I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question."
Sorry I didn't read this earlier and come to your defense. I'm working on "the book" and have to get back to that after this post. This is a "Freedom" forum, not a Trump only forum. He should go where only Trump adoration is allowed, FR. Will put him on Ignore so he will be removed from my sight.
Catherine, you are my friend forever and I mean that. :bighug:
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
What are you a masochist @Freedom928
If you don't like it here GTF out!
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Far left forum... :silly:
sure, whatever
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Dos vedanya Tovarisch....
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
Well, Bye!
If the Constitutional Conservatives here are on the "Far Left" to you, I'm not sure what alternate reality you are from, but go, have fun there.
Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya!
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
:bigsilly:
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
@Freedom928
#freepertroll
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@CatherineofAragon
You quoted Freedom928 as saying, "You should be directing your comments about respect to her. She started this. Now here you are saying I should take my whipping like a good little boy because she's been here a minute longer than me. Harumph. She's wrong. I'm right. ...I thought this was a conservative forum. Apparently that is now in question."
Sorry I didn't read this earlier and come to your defense. I'm working on "the book" and have to get back to that after this post. This is a "Freedom" forum, not a Trump only forum. He should go where only Trump adoration is allowed, FR. Will put him on Ignore so he will be removed from my sight.
Catherine, you are my friend forever and I mean that. :bighug:
@Victoria33
You know I love you! 034 Always will...even if I'm the most miserable person in the world when it comes to answering emails promptly.
Don't worry about this...you tend to your writing so I can brag that I know a published author. Just take breaks now and then!
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Sure. You realize the element you seek would consider Reagan a 'cuckservative' for making deals with Tip O'Neill, right?
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
Dude, I thought we were kinda simpatico. Couldn't we talk about this? We're all here for the same reason, to talk things through. Listen, I find opposition to Trump here strident, at times obsessive, other times looney, but it's only a minority still stinging from a political loss. Cut them some slack. Most have gotten over it anyway.
And besides, there have been times when a brilliant former poster returns here to TBR who has a different perspective to share about Donald Trump – the correct one. And then you wouldn't be here to see me sharing it.
:sword:
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This really is a far left forum. How did I not see it right away? I guess the picture of Reagan at the top is meant to fool traveling conservatives. This site is actually to the left of dem underground and that takes some doing. See you folks on the other side of the battlefield.
Fool me once shame on you...
Stick around. You have Spunk.
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Stick around. You have Spunk.
I hate spunk!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etyO7T6WGwU
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I hate spunk!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etyO7T6WGwU
That didn't take long! :beer:
Bless you.
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It was the first thing I thought of...
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It was the first thing I thought of...
Hunt and Peck makes for a slow reply! :laugh:
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That didn't take long! :beer:
Bless you.
LOL...... what can I say? I'm a certified pop-culture nerd.
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LOL...... what can I say? I'm a certified pop-culture nerd.
We will be friends. :beer:
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@Freedom928
#freepertroll
Well bless your little tiny dark bossy heart.
PS: What's a freepertroll? If I'm going to be slandered; I'd at least like to know what it's for.
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Well bless your little tiny dark bossy heart.
PS: What's a freepertroll? If I'm going to be slandered; I'd at least like to know what it's for.
@Freedom928
Well, I notice you didn't bother to acknowledge the facts laid out before you in my previous post. I'm sure it was hard to find time to do so in between all the posts whining about what a victim you are.
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@Freedom928
Well, I notice you didn't bother to acknowledge the facts laid out before you in my previous post. I'm sure it was hard to find time to do so in between all the posts whining about what a victim you are.
Uh huh. Yeah, see, here's the thing. I make it a policy to ignore idiocy.
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Well bless your little tiny dark bossy heart.
PS: What's a freepertroll? If I'm going to be slandered; I'd at least like to know what it's for.
@Freedom928
"Dark bossy heart?" Flattery will get you nowhere.
Now after all your bluster about a mother-abusing murdering piece of shite, you going to start whining and playing the victim?
Wouldn't be surprised.
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Well bless your little tiny dark bossy heart.
PS: What's a freepertroll?
Look in the mirror and get back to me.
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Look in the mirror and get back to me.
:bigsilly:
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Look in the mirror and get back to me.
@Wingnut
I almost dropped my Mt. Dew, lol.
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@Wingnut
I almost dropped my Mt. Dew, lol.
I know my trolls. I am one. Well..a reformed one anyway. 888high58888
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I know my trolls. I am one. Well..a reformed one anyway. 888high58888
Then maybe you can explain it to me. Hear it a lot, but I don't think I have a good handle on it.
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Then maybe you can explain it to me. Hear it a lot, but I don't think I have a good handle on it.
You can see nearly a full page of troll comments on page 3. Another name for them is bully's. Trolls/bullys/keyboard commandos/clueless/classless; all the same thing. They don't even know they are left of Antifa. Not good.
I can't imagine anyone with more than 2 brain cells would stick around for the kind of abuse given here. No wonder it's the same 5 or 6 people posting all the time.
Nope. Not my kind of place. I'm gone. Close my account or whatever. I could not care less. I'd rather walk on hot coals than hang out with such hateful low info low hanging fruit cakes. This is the kind of banter you see juveniles doing; not grownup's. Nothing good ever comes from this kind of crowd.
This is the type of place the McCain's, McConnell's, Ryan's, Schumer's, Pelosi's, Mad Maxine, and the like would hang out. You know; the swamp. Unreal. No. Surreal.
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Good luck getting your account closed /s
It's a shame you won't consider hanging around. You would add some balance to this place. I've been here so long it's a habit. BTW, we used to have those kinds of discussions, then Trump. Well, you know the rest.
Hope you reconsider.