You cannot and do not win anything when your numbers look like Trump's. I can't say it any more clearly than that. There's nothing you can say or do -- not that Trump would ever even consider going on an image rehabilitation tour -- to change how people feel about you. Republicans know Trump. And they really, really don't like him.
My sense is that more and more people, especially Republicans and independents, are imagining Donald Trump as POTUS and the more they think about it, the less preposterous the idea seems. I too have been imagining Trump as POTUS and I must say that I have gone from horror-stricken at the notion of it to simply confused as to what kind of president the man would be. Yes, Trump is a narcissistic creep, but he is very obviously a competent narcissistic creep or he would not have accomplished the things he has in his life. So I have gone from anti-Trump to possibly open to Trump, and I don't think I am alone. That could be dangerous for the rest of the GOP field.
My sense is that more and more people, especially Republicans and independents, are imagining Donald Trump as POTUS and the more they think about it, the less preposterous the idea seems. I too have been imagining Trump as POTUS and I must say that I have gone from horror-stricken at the notion of it to simply confused as to what kind of president the man would be. Yes, Trump is a narcissistic creep, but he is very obviously a competent narcissistic creep or he would not have accomplished the things he has in his life. So I have gone from anti-Trump to possibly open to Trump, and I don't think I am alone. That could be dangerous for the rest of the GOP field.
My sense is that more and more people, especially Republicans and independents, are imagining Donald Trump as POTUS and the more they think about it, the less preposterous the idea seems. I too have been imagining Trump as POTUS and I must say that I have gone from horror-stricken at the notion of it to simply confused as to what kind of president the man would be. Yes, Trump is a narcissistic creep, but he is very obviously a competent narcissistic creep or he would not have accomplished the things he has in his life. So I have gone from anti-Trump to possibly open to Trump, and I don't think I am alone. That could be dangerous for the rest of the GOP field.
My sense is that more and more people, especially Republicans and independents, are imagining Donald Trump as POTUS and the more they think about it, the less preposterous the idea seems. I too have been imagining Trump as POTUS and I must say that I have gone from horror-stricken at the notion of it to simply confused as to what kind of president the man would be. Yes, Trump is a narcissistic creep, but he is very obviously a competent narcissistic creep or he would not have accomplished the things he has in his life. So I have gone from anti-Trump to possibly open to Trump, and I don't think I am alone. That could be dangerous for the rest of the GOP field.
He's the un-politician and pubbies like that aspect of his entry in this race. The rest of the field are career pols. Ewe! Icky!
Personally, I am coming around to the idea of Trump as the GOP nominee.
Not for the reason most would think, but as valid as reason as anyone else's.
OK i'll bite.
Personally, I am coming around to the idea of Trump as the GOP nominee.
Not for the reason most would think, but as valid as reason as anyone else's.
I want conservatives to stake their worth on a Trump candidacy.
Conservative, liberal, GOP, dem. Trump seems to be defying the lines and at this time it's not about that for many voters. He may split every group and subgroup for the win
And only God knows what that would mean.
Considering all the damage Obama has done to our Republic, it may take a mover and shaker to bring it back.
One of an entrepreneur's common strengths is the ability to delegate responsibility and hire the right people to "Git er' done!"
If I could change one thing about his approach at THIS time, is to tone down the ego a bit. It grates on me.
Considering all the damage Obama has done to our Republic, it may take a mover and shaker to bring it back.
One of an entrepreneur's common strengths is the ability to delegate responsibility and hire the right people to "Git er' done!"
If I could change one thing about his approach at THIS time, is to tone down the ego a bit. It grates on me.
I think in watching the debate many will be asking or imaging what would Trump be like as a president? He can negotiate but does he know the "ins" and outs" of what it takes to be a president? Constitutional and Congressional law? I think though it sure seems right now that he's going to be in for the long haul and very possibly our nominee. Where he may get more of a following is going to be greatly dependent on who he picks to run with him. Definitely not a Bush or a Christie. I see him possibly picking Fiorina. Maybe even Cruz. It depends on what they will bring to the table for him; Firoina of course for the perhaps needed female vote and Cruz of course for the Constitutional conservative vote.
I want conservatives to stake their worth on a Trump candidacy.
A mover and shaker how? Do you actually believe Trump knows anything of cares anything about conservatism?
I don't give a damn. Said it a hundred times in here. I want to fix what Obama and the Left has broken these past 7+ years.
Am a Republican first. And a Conservative (fiscally) second.
I'm still very nervous about this Planned Parenthood thing. I smell a trap that is going to cost the women's vote.
Have you ever read serious conservative philosophy such as "The Conservative Mind From Burke to Ellitot"?
Can't say I have. Mostly Friedman and Buckley. :shrug:
If I could I would buy it for you then I think we would understand each other.
I'll look for it. :beer:
Can't say I have. Mostly Friedman and Buckley. :shrug:
Don't you think a brilliant idea at this time would be for Jon Stewart to run on the Dem side?
Conservative, liberal, GOP, dem. Trump seems to be defying the lines and at this time it's not about that for many voters. He may split every group and subgroup for the win
Yeah. Talk about the potential for rude awakenings.
Friedman, Buckley and Trump.
It's like one of those "what doesn't belong here?" puzzles.
Friedman, Buckley and Trump.
It's like one of those "what doesn't belong here?" puzzles.
He loses big against Hillary, Sanders and Biden, and Biden isn't even running.
He loses big against Hillary, Sanders and Biden, and Biden isn't even running.
A mover and shaker how? Do you actually believe Trump knows anything of cares anything about conservatism?Even if he doesn't use left-right, liberal-conservative labels, there is an incredible opportunity to really start firing people at the higher levels.
Yes, but I will say that if Trump can get a majority of GOP primary voters on board, given the negatives he had to start with, I wouldn't underestimate him against any other opposition. I am not saying he will win the primary, mind you, but I think his greatest challenge is the primary. After that, I think with control of the party apparatus and all that goes with it, he'll have unstoppable momentum going into the general election. This is particularly true if Hillary or Biden is atop the Dem ticket.
From Townhall.com 7/30/15:
Donald Trump may be surging in GOP polls, but according to a new Quinnipiac poll, he is the worst performing Republican in the general election.
But, as this article points out, Trump had the worst negatives with Republicans a short time ago and somehow turned that into a juggernaut. There is no reason to believe that, assuming he could win the GOP primary, he couldn't also pull off a win against Hillary or Biden. Plus, he is the only candidate in the Republican field who could match Hillary dollar for dollar if he wanted to.
The whole point of the posted article is that Trump is overcoming the traditional view that high negatives in politics necessarily translate to high likelihood of failure.
Apparently, we have reached an era in American politics in which audacity is the most rewarded attribute a candidate can have. If that is the case, then there are very few people in the country who could compete with Trump.
Aligncare: He's the un-politician and pubbies like that aspect of his entry in this race. The rest of the field are career pols. Ewe! Icky
Music Lady: Except Carson.
Don't forget Carly.
But, as this article points out, Trump had the worst negatives with Republicans a short time ago and somehow turned that into a juggernaut. There is no reason to believe that, assuming he could win the GOP primary, he couldn't also pull off a win against Hillary or Biden. Plus, he is the only candidate in the Republican field who could match Hillary dollar for dollar if he wanted to.
The whole point of the posted article is that Trump is overcoming the traditional view that high negatives in politics necessarily translate to high likelihood of failure.
Apparently, we have reached an era in American politics in which audacity is the most rewarded attribute a candidate can have. If that is the case, then there are very few people in the country who could compete with Trump.
Thirty percent of Republicans say that they will absolutely will not vote for him and nearly sixty percent of all voters say the same.
Twenty something percent approval/support in the GOP does not overcome either one of those numbers.
Thirty percent of Republicans say that they will absolutely will not vote for him and nearly sixty percent of all voters say the same.
Twenty something percent approval/support in the GOP does not overcome either one of those numbers.
I'll go on record here, and bet you a dollar, Luis, that the GOP ticket is going to be Trump/Cruz. (even though my initial favorite was Walker/Rubio.
And, I'll bet you another dollar that they'll win next November. Even should they go 3rd party.
Cruz has been maligned by the GOP as much as Trump as been dissed by the GOPe, so it's not a stretch to see Cruz accept his place on the ticket.
Trump has grabbed the ONE issue that will bring a healthy, sufficient cross-over over Democrat voters. Illegal immigration.
It's time for everybody to get on board and admit that Trump is no joke.
PS: O'Reilly joked with Trump last night that he had to go through a gauntlet of physical and written inspection/searches before he was allowed to even see him to do the interview. That's good to know. I'm worried about his well-being. The Left is scared poop-less of him and don't want to lose everything Obama has advanced.
edit to add: of course I could be wrong. I swore Romney was going to win by a Reagan-type landslide. :laugh:
Come on....polls are completely worthless, when the subject is anything Republican. Especially 1-1/2 years out. Populism rules today. And the American people are pi$$ed off.
Just FYI, to appeal to the independents Trump needs to come up with good reasons to believe he can improve the economy. Not just blustering sound-bytes either in my opinion.
Overall, voters say the economy is the most important issue facing the country (30 percent). Next it’s terrorism and health care (11 percent each). Less than one voter in 10 says the top problem is immigration (7 percent), foreign policy (7 percent), the federal deficit (7 percent), race relations (5 percent), climate change (5 percent), gay marriage (3 percent), taxes (3 percent) and abortion (2 percent).
Uh.....perhaps you haven't seen what's on Trump's ever present-baseball cap? :whistle:
No what's it say? "It's the economy stupid"?
(http://img1.etsystatic.com/073/0/6314299/il_570xN.808215769_pdcu.jpg)
That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.
That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.
Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.
The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.
And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.
That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.
Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.
The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.
And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.
FOLSOM, Calif., Aug. 4, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Tagline Guru™, one of the world's leading verbal branding agencies, today released its survey of the best and worst slogans of the 22 announced candidates running for President of the United States.More (http://www.kcentv.com/story/29703823/tagline-guru-releases-survey-of-2016-us-presidential-campaign-slogans)
According to 250 branding, marketing, and advertising professionals, Mike Huckabee's From Hope to Higher Ground was ranked the highest from the Class of 2016, followed by A Political Revolution is Coming (Bernie Sanders); Telling It Like It Is (Chris Christie); Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream (Rand Paul); People Over Politics (George Pataki); Reigniting the Promise for America (Ted Cruz); and Jeb! (Jeb Bush).
Slogans that received the lowest rankings were We Must Do Right and Risk the Consequences (Rick Perry); Reform. Growth. Safety. (Scott Walker); Kasich for Us (John Kasich); Make America Great Again (Donald Trump); Ready to Be Commander-In-Chief on Day One (Lindsey Graham); Gilmore for America (Jim Gilmore); and Heal. Inspire. Revive. (Dr. Ben Carson).
Slogans from Lincoln Chafee, Hillary Clinton, Carly Fiorina, Bobby Jindal, Martin O'Malley, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, and Jim Webb were ranked in the middle - neither the best nor the worst.
Rankings were based on whether the slogans were catchy and memorable, told an inviting and persuasive story, and captured the personality of the candidate or spirit of the campaign. ...
All campaign slogans are pithy nothings. (Wait, I think that's the first time I ever approved of a sweeping generalization!)
Happy days are here again! In your heart, you know he's right! He kept us out of war! I'm just wild about Harry!
When I ran for state legislature, mine was "The right choice - for a change," which referred both to my being right (correct and conservative) and the fact that most past elections for that post had been unopposed, thus the voters finally had a choice.
I just came across this press release:More (http://www.kcentv.com/story/29703823/tagline-guru-releases-survey-of-2016-us-presidential-campaign-slogans)
According to 250 branding, marketing, and advertising professionals, Mike Huckabee's From Hope to Higher Ground was ranked the highest from the Class of 2016, followed by A Political Revolution is Coming (Bernie Sanders); Telling It Like It Is (Chris Christie); Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream (Rand Paul); People Over Politics (George Pataki); Reigniting the Promise for America (Ted Cruz); and Jeb! (Jeb Bush).
Obviously slogans don't work but anyway the whole conversation about Trump's slogan proceeded from a remark I made that Trump needs to get a good focus on the economy if he could actually win the presidency since the economy is America's #1 concern. Interestingly none of these "winning" slogans says much about the economy.
I'm just a dumb, ignorant, average American. Retired...for all intents and purposes. With an IQ of only 125.
When the economy around me is struggling now going on seven years, and I see a slogan "Making America Great Again", that's the ONLY connection as to its meaning.
I apologize for inferring you were a 'troll' the other day.
Obtuse and/or insufferable work better. :chairbang:
Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.
The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.
And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.
I take issue with this idea that this candidate or that candidate will, by the sheer weight of their magnificence, bring the country back around to that fabled time in our history when things were better and everything was perfect. Or in the case of the Democrats, build a better nation than has ever existed before.
We're debating a campaign slogan on a baseball cap? Really?
Slogans have to be short and catchy - and not stir up any negative connotations. For that reason, they have to be basically neutral and positive at the same time. Think of "Hope and Change" and "It's Morning in America".
Would you prefer, "Let's put Americans to Work!"
It does address the economy - but unfortunately, to a great many Americans (too many) that slogan would not be a positive thing.
I see nothing wrong with Trump's slogan.
We're debating a campaign slogan on a baseball cap? Really?
Just FYI, to appeal to the independents Trump needs to come up with good reasons to believe he can improve the economy.Not at all. The only thing he needs to accomplish is to have the voters think he is more likely to do it than the other knuckleheads and he has already accomplished that
We're debating a campaign slogan on a baseball cap? Really?
Sorry about that, Lando! I should know better.
He's like an ankle biting terrier....but cute at the same time. :laugh:
Trump 2016
I'm all in!
:patriot:
Trump 2016
I'm all in!
:patriot:
I'm lost in the wilderness now.
Here's a great article/essay that further explains why Donald Trump could win...even as a 3rd party candidate.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/hard_truth_for_the_gop_from_its_base.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/hard_truth_for_the_gop_from_its_base.html) posted in Opinion Category.
Politics as theater, Luis?
bkepley wrote:
[[ Maybe we should start now by putting Trump on Mt. Rushmore. I hear there's room. ]]
No need for that.
Trump will construct his own mountain, and he'll make it higher than Rushmore... :)
Guess he feels that if reasoned debate can't change minds, then a strategy of mockery fits the bill. :shrug:
Politics as theater, Luis?
Or maybe theater as politics.
Trump/Hillary for 2016.Stay out of Fort Marcy Park, Mr. Trump!
I'm all in.(http://i.imgur.com/i1qjjYo.jpg)
So, apparently the only thing wrong with Trump is he needs a better doo.
Guess he feels that if reasoned debate can't change minds, then a strategy of mockery fits the bill. :shrug:
Good set of pics O-L!
A leaf blower is all that is needed to keep "T" in line.
You're saying that what Trump has been doing (to this point) has been "reasoned debate"?
We are, after all, a shallow lot! Here's what I think...
Oh wait, my horoscope just popped up on my cell phone...
If that's POTUSability then Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner and the Kardashian bunch should run.
I'm all in for Trump 2016.
:patriot:
(http://i.imgur.com/TV18diE.jpg)
Now THAT'S comedy!
I am thinking about Trump and his amazing ability to leverage pure audacity into political support. He seems to be all about the deal, and he is seeking to make a deal with conservatives, to wit: regardless of who I have been and what I have stood for in the past, you help me become POTUS and I will be a champion for the causes you most deeply care about. To conservatives, this is enough. But to the Donald I fear it is going to be just another deal. So it behooves us to take a look at past deals the man has made and ask ourselves if he can be trusted.
The truth about Trump is that he is a very rich man with too many poor widows who lost their pensions in his wake. He has a lot in common with Bill Clinton in that there always seems to be a lot of bad shit going on around him, and when the shit hits the fan everyone gets soiled but him. That both inspires me and worries me. But mostly it worries me.
And yet, it could be (hopefully) that he's just as upset as we are...what has happened to our economy and what a disaster Progressive Socialists have done to us since 2009.
I'm sure you know EXACTLY how to put the economy back on track. That's a sincere statement absent any sarcasm, Victor. Many of us do.
We have been sitting slack-jawed wondering how the GOP leadership has allowed Obama to get this far. They MUST know that their refusal to take steps against Obama appears like collusion over time.
Donald Trump has the notoriety and the $$$...and the background to put a stop...or the very least, slow this degradation down.
He's playing the media splendidly. Which is what none of the others are able to do.
We live in a celebrity culture and Trump is masterful at the game.
He's playing the media splendidly. Which is what none of the others are able to do.
We live in a celebrity culture and Trump is masterful at the game.
I agree with all of this (especially the part about my being able to solve the country's fiscal problems). How about we elect Trump and then he puts me in charge?
Seriously, I have gone from appalled at the notion of Trump as POTUS to skeptical but not closed to the prospect. I think I am typical of most Republicans at this stage of the game. If so, it means Trump has overcome a huge hurdle, perhaps the biggest one he will face in this quest of his. We'll see how he handles it when "The Empire Strikes Back." And strike it will, when the timing is right and public opinion is consequential. But don't get me wrong. I am not rooting for him to lose. I am just not yet rooting for him to win.
Actually, the media don't know what the hell to do with him. The serious pundits don't know what the hell to say about him. Most on stage tonight won't know how the hell to react to him. His brand resonates because so many don't know what the hell else will work.
Republicans View Rubio, Walker Most Positively on Debate Eve
http://www.gallup.com/poll/184499/republicans-view-rubio-walker-positively-debate-eve.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/184499/republicans-view-rubio-walker-positively-debate-eve.aspx)
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My 1st choice! Only mine is Walker/Rubio.
Absolutely right. There's a scandal in there somewhere than the media will drag out at the proper time.
The media makes heroes and then takes delight in knocking them down.
mass wrote above:
[[ I am not rooting for him to lose. I am just not yet rooting for him to win. ]]
That's my take, as well.
I'll vote for Walker in the primary, unless something very consequential intervenes between now and then.
I'm probably the only person in the forum who won't watch the debate tonight.
I just don't care for them.
Besides, I'll get a better take just by reading the posts here!
mass wrote above:
[[ I am not rooting for him to lose. I am just not yet rooting for him to win. ]]
That's my take, as well.
I'll vote for Walker in the primary, unless something very consequential intervenes between now and then.
I'm probably the only person in the forum who won't watch the debate tonight.
I just don't care for them.
Besides, I'll get a better take just by reading the posts here!
Ha, President Trump. Like the ending scene in an episode of Twilight Zone as the camera pulls back to reveal it's Donald Trump sitting in the Oval Office.
I can live with that and Ted Cruz for AG until the first SCOTUS slot comes open!
Hey... it's a poll, and polls are routinely manipulated you know.
If you were to go back and read what I posted V E R Y S L O W L Y you might discover that I was responding to the opinion expressed by the poster of what I responded to and not any poll!
The poll isn't worth a bucket of warm spit IMHO!
I read it slowly.
I was just making sure everyone knew the truth about polls.