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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on June 19, 2019, 11:27:26 am
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??? This is pitiful! Only $1 billion for border operations but $3 billion to house illegals?? I thought Mexico was supposed to be housing them??
Senators Reach Bipartisan Deal on a Border Funding Package
Senate Republicans and Democrats reached a deal on $4.6 billion in emergency funds to deal with a surge in migration at the U.S. border with Mexico, people familiar with the deal said Tuesday.
President Donald Trump requested the funds on May 1, including $3.3 billion to be used to shelter undocumented migrants at the southern border and $1.1 billion for border operations. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has said the Senate will vote on a border measure by the end of next week.
Because of squabbles over immigration policy, the border funding was left out of a $19.1 billion disaster aid package signed into law earlier this month.
Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby of Alabama and top Democrat Patrick Leahy of Vermont reached an agreement and plan to announce details before a committee vote on the bill tomorrow morning, the people said.
The House plans to vote on a separate border package next week, according to Representative Henry Cuellar, a Texas Democrat who has become a point person on the issue for Speaker Nancy Pelosi. If that plan differs from the Senate effort, the House and Senate could convene a conference committee to work out the differences.........
...........Democrats have sought to ensure that funds in the package wouldn’t be used to build Trump’s border wall or pay for raids on undocumented immigrants within the U.S.,,,,,,,,,,
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/senators-reach-bipartisan-deal-border-232630722.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/senators-reach-bipartisan-deal-border-232630722.html)
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Senate Republicans are now weaker on the border than Obama was in 2014
..........Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans are finally taking action. However, the action they are taking consists entirely of more humanitarian funding for the illegal aliens empowering cartels and smugglers, to the detriment of Americans. No changes to asylum, Flores, sanctuary cities, or judicial jurisdiction over immigration – the catalysts for this crisis – just funding for more diapers and formula.
Nobody wants to see this humanitarian crisis, but the best way to solve it is to shut it off...........
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/senate-republicans-now-weaker-border-obama-2014/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/senate-republicans-now-weaker-border-obama-2014/)
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Yes, I figured if it was a "bipartisan" deal, there had to be something wrong with it. More humanitarian aid? Give me a break! Last thing we taxpayers need is to shell out for more "aid" to make the lives of these parasites easier.
Let's face it folks. No one in DC -- Republican or Democrat -- really has any interest in shutting off this invasion.
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Meanwhile, according to conservative columnist Betsy McCaughey, one in five American households live mostly or entirely off of government benefits, and three-quarters of food stamp recipients with no kids to care for don't work, even part time.
Thank goodness for the immigrants who come here to fill the jobs indolent Americans won't.
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Yes, I figured if it was a "bipartisan" deal, there had to be something wrong with it. More humanitarian aid? Give me a break! Last thing we taxpayers need is to shell out for more "aid" to make the lives of these parasites easier.
Let's face it folks. No one in DC -- Republican or Democrat -- really has any interest in shutting off this invasion.
These people recieve alot when they come through refugee resettelment. All of their medical care including surgeries. Mental health care, and lots and lots more.
This really ticks me off. 3.3 billion for humanitarian. That is either a long term humanitarian appropriation with the intent that people will continue to come in large numbers or these people are being treated like Kings and Queens when they come.
Mulvaney couldn't even fight for 4.6 billion to build the wall. But were willing to spend 3.3 billion on diapers formula and resettlement for illegal immigrants.
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Meanwhile, according to conservative columnist Betsy McCaughey, one in five American households live mostly or entirely off of government benefits, and three-quarters of food stamp recipients with no kids to care for don't work, even part time.
Thank goodness for the immigrants who come here to fill the jobs indolent Americans won't.
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Blatant lie. Not what statistics show.
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Meanwhile, according to conservative columnist Betsy McCaughey, one in five American households live mostly or entirely off of government benefits, and three-quarters of food stamp recipients with no kids to care for don't work, even part time.
Thank goodness for the immigrants who come here to fill the jobs indolent Americans won't.
Couldn't quite tell if you were joking or not -- American households that they are referring to are ILLEGALS that don't care to work!
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Meanwhile, according to conservative columnist Betsy McCaughey, one in five American households live mostly or entirely off of government benefits, and three-quarters of food stamp recipients with no kids to care for don't work, even part time.
Thank goodness for the immigrants who come here to fill the jobs indolent Americans won't.
Thats quite an about face from 2013 Betsy - https://betsymccaughey.com/immigration-reform-becomes-a-welfare-welcome-wagon/
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Dems make U-turn on calling border a 'manufactured crisis'
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/449214-dems-make-u-turn-on-calling-border-a-manufactured-crisis
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Dems make U-turn on calling border a 'manufactured crisis'
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/449214-dems-make-u-turn-on-calling-border-a-manufactured-crisis
U turn? Definitely not the way I see it. They are throwing $$ in order to house and care for ILLEGALS. ILLEGALS that shouldn't be coming here in the first place. Keep in mind that they want the illegals here as they represent future DEM votes.
They need to forgo the U-turn and do a complete 360 and give President Trump the money necessary to stop the influx, secure the border and build the dang wall!!!
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And I am not sure, but I think President Trump was pushing this. (think I read it) Does that make any sense? He is saying he is going to round up millions. But he is putting billions into them.
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And I am not sure, but I think President Trump was pushing this. (think I read it) Does that make any sense? He is saying he is going to round up millions. But he is putting billions into them.
Not so sure and no it doesn't make sense. The first article states that the DEMS wanted to ensure that this $$ does not go towards raids and rounding them up.
IMHO McConnell caved and this is the sorry bipartisan deal that they came up with. It obviously doesn't do a darn thing to help secure the border, the only thing it does is thrown more $$ at the current situation.
McConnell has done a few things right under Trump, but his leadership continues to FAIL. I shook my head when he was allowed to remain the Senate majority leader. Same leader. Same results.
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And I am not sure, but I think President Trump was pushing this. (think I read it) Does that make any sense? He is saying he is going to round up millions. But he is putting billions into them.
If it is "bipartisan" then it is overwhelmingly likely not good for America.
I believe that these are two different populations though:
- the people that will be deported have long been dispersed into the interior.... have deportations orders against them.... have skipped their court appointments...
- these dollars are intended to shore up the facilities at the border (from what I understand)
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Billions of dollars for diapers. Congress is really full of $hit.
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Couldn't quite tell if you were joking or not -- American households that they are referring to are ILLEGALS that don't care to work!
The numbers are from a recent Betsy McCaughey column. She doesn't say what percentage of the numbers represent illegals. I'd guess it's rather small, because illegals can't qualify for most government benefits.
But I'm hardly joking when it comes to the laziness of too many Americans to work, at least outside of the underground economy. Blame it on welfare, blame it on culture, blame it on drugs, I don't care. What employers need is workers. And at this point, that means we need more (legal) immigration.
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Meanwhile, according to conservative columnist Betsy McCaughey, one in five American households live mostly or entirely off of government benefits, and three-quarters of food stamp recipients with no kids to care for don't work, even part time.
Thank goodness for the immigrants who come here to fill the jobs indolent Americans won't.
Ummm, @Jazzhead, you do realize that many of the households/individuals living off of the taxpayers are immigrants, some legal and many, many illegal?
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Billions of dollars for diapers. Congress is really full of $hit.
:beer: :rolling: Post of the day perhaps!!! You are absolutely correct.
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The numbers are from a recent Betsy McCaughey column. She doesn't say what percentage of the numbers represent illegals. I'd guess it's rather small, because illegals can't qualify for most government benefits.
But I'm hardly joking when it comes to the laziness of too many Americans to work, at least outside of the underground economy. Blame it on welfare, blame it on culture, blame it on drugs, I don't care. What employers need is workers. And at this point, that means we need more (legal) immigration.
Back again regurgitating the same old vomit about Americans being lazy and not wanting jobs. Your probably the hiring manager somewhere who has a thing for Hispanic women. Nothing you say ever is grounded in truth.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/census-data-reveals-that-majority-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/census-data-reveals-that-majority-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/)
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Billions of dollars for diapers. Congress is really full of $hit.
Literally. That's a lot of $hit! I couldn't figure that out. Maybe they are sending money to Cartel? I don't know. But something doesn't add up.
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Back again regurgitating the same old vomit about Americans being lazy and not wanting jobs. Your probably the hiring manager somewhere who has a thing for Hispanic women. Nothing you say ever is grounded in truth.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/census-data-reveals-that-majority-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/12/census-data-reveals-that-majority-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/)
@Jazzhead, you're just not being honest here. I provided you with data and links to said data that clearly disproves your statement. You continue to peddle the same old untrue stuff.
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Back again regurgitating the same old vomit about Americans being lazy and not wanting jobs.
Not my vomit. Betsy McCaughey's. A conservative.
Again, she writes that three-quarters of able-bodied adults on food stamps, without kids to raise, are not working, even part time. This, in the midst of a booming economy.
Damn right there are too many lazy Americans. Damn right we need more (legal) immigration to fill the (legal) jobs Americans won't do.
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Not my vomit. Betsy McCaughey's. A conservative.
Again, she writes that three-quarters of able-bodied adults on food stamps, without kids to raise, are not working, even part time. This, in the midst of a booming economy.
Damn right there are too many lazy Americans. Damn right we need more (legal) immigration to fill the (legal) jobs Americans won't do.
Untrue, @Jazzhead.
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(https://pics.me.me/the-word-bipartisan-means-some-larger-than-usual-deception-is-being-carried-19613070.png)
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Untrue, @Jazzhead.
To what are you referring? Here's the column by Betsy McCaughey which included the statement that appears to have inflamed you: Dems' Agenda: Kill Jobs, Pander to Freeloaders (https://www.creators.com/read/betsy-mccaughey)
One in every 5 American households already lives entirely or mostly off government benefits. A shocking three-quarters of able-bodied food stamp recipients with no children to care for still don't work, even part time.
Perhaps what I decry as American laziness is actually a rational reaction to the siren song of free stuff.
But no matter. Employers need workers, folks. If able-bodied Americans won't fill them, then three cheers to the immigrants who will.
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(https://pics.me.me/the-word-bipartisan-means-some-larger-than-usual-deception-is-being-carried-19613070.png)
888high58888 :beer:
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To what are you referring? Here's the column by Betsy McCaughey which included the statement that appears to have inflamed you: Dems' Agenda: Kill Jobs, Pander to Freeloaders (https://www.creators.com/read/betsy-mccaughey)
Perhaps what I decry as American laziness is actually a rational reaction to the siren song of free stuff.
But no matter. Employers need workers, folks. If able-bodied Americans won't fill them, then three cheers to the immigrants who will.
I'm talking about the actual data, which shows a radically different story than the one you keep pushing. One editorial does not change that. But, you know what I'm talking about.
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ff.
But no matter. Employers need workers, folks. If able-bodied Americans won't fill them, then three cheers to the immigrants who will.
Pay higher wages, attract more/better workers, encourage more people to enter the field.
Anyway, immigrants are more necessary when the labor market is tight. But it isn't always going to be tight, and when it loosens, the presence of too many immigrants will depress wages for everyone else. The result of that is the left screaming for government mandates like the "living wage", because a too-loose immigration policy has flooded the supply of labor, and depressed wages.
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Pay higher wages, attract more/better workers, encourage more people to enter the field.
Anyway, immigrants are more necessary when the labor market is tight. But it isn't always going to be tight, and when it loosens, the presence of too many immigrants will depress wages for everyone else. The result of that is the left screaming for government mandates like the "living wage", because a too-loose immigration policy has flooded the supply of labor, and depressed wages.
We don't have a too-loose immigration policy. We have too many illegal immigrants, who work under the table or otherwise for employers who accept their false credentials without scrutiny.
If the labor supply has been flooded, what about recent reports indicating that employers are posting more job openings than there are able-bodied Americans willing to fill them? A big problem is the lagging labor force participation rate - too many Americans still prefer to remain on the sidelines or join the illegals in the underground economy,.
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To what are you referring? Here's the column by Betsy McCaughey which included the statement that appears to have inflamed you: Dems' Agenda: Kill Jobs, Pander to Freeloaders (https://www.creators.com/read/betsy-mccaughey)
Perhaps what I decry as American laziness is actually a rational reaction to the siren song of free stuff.
But no matter. Employers need workers, folks. If able-bodied Americans won't fill them, then three cheers to the immigrants who will.
Thanks for the link. As I suspected, the "jobs Americans won't do" liberal talking point was your editorializing, not an honest reporting of what Betsey actually wrote.
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Thanks for the link. As I suspected, the "jobs Americans won't do" liberal talking point was your editorializing, not an honest reporting of what Betsey actually wrote.
I cited Betsy for the factoid about most Americans on food stamps who are both able-bodied and have no kids to mind, but who still don't work.
Yes, I call that indolence. What do you call it? And more to the point, why should an employer seek to hire such Americans when there's an immigrant who'll jump through hoops to work?
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I cited Betsy for the factoid about most Americans on food stamps who are both able-bodied and have no kids to mind, but who still don't work.
Yes, I call that indolence. What do you call it? And more to the point, why should an employer seek to hire such Americans when there's an immigrant who'll jump through hoops to work?
Did you miss the post to you that a lot of what you call "indolent Americans" are actually immigrants? You would have been on much firmer standing if you had said "indolent welfare recipients."
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Did you miss the post to you that a lot of what you call "indolent Americans" are actually immigrants? You would have been on much firmer standing if you had said "indolent welfare recipients."
Undocumented (that is, illegal) immigrants are not eligible to receive food stamps. (Such households can receive assistance for their U.S. citizen children if they meet the income requirements.)
No the indolent folks I (and Betsy) are speaking of are lazy, sit-on-their asses AMERICANS.
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Undocumented (that is, illegal) immigrants are not eligible to receive food stamps. (Such households can receive assistance for their U.S. citizen children if they meet the income requirements.)
No the indolent folks I (and Betsy) are speaking of are lazy, sit-on-their asses AMERICANS.
Well stated, Senator McStain.
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Undocumented (that is, illegal) immigrants are not eligible to receive food stamps. (Such households can receive assistance for their U.S. citizen children if they meet the income requirements.)
No the indolent folks I (and Betsy) are speaking of are lazy, sit-on-their asses AMERICANS.
OK, illegal move of the goal posts. We aren't talking about only food stamps, and there are many who break the law and receive assistance even when they are not eligible. Just stop it.
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OK, illegal move of the goal posts. We aren't talking about only food stamps, and there are many who break the law and receive assistance even when they are not eligible. Just stop it.
I've heard illegal aliens aren't allowed to vote. :happyhappy:
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OK, illegal move of the goal posts. We aren't talking about only food stamps, and there are many who break the law and receive assistance even when they are not eligible. Just stop it.
And there are too many lazy Americans who sit on their asses and collect government benefits in the midst of an economic boom. Bottom line - if I'm an employer, I would have little hesitation in hiring an immigrant who crossed mountains and rivers rather than sit on his ass. .
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I've heard illegal aliens aren't allowed to vote. :happyhappy:
You too, huh? 9999hair out0000
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And there are too many lazy Americans who sit on their asses and collect government benefits in the midst of an economic boom. Bottom line - if I'm an employer, I would have little hesitation in hiring an immigrant who crossed mountains and rivers rather than sit on his ass. .
Maybe you might hesitate a little if the Federal government started enforcing the law that says hiring illegals is a crime?
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And there are too many lazy Americans who sit on their asses and collect government benefits in the midst of an economic boom. Bottom line - if I'm an employer, I would have little hesitation in hiring an immigrant who crossed mountains and rivers rather than sit on his ass. .
In spite of all the evidence that many immigrants are sitting on their asses and collecting government benefits too. Got it.
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I cited Betsy for the factoid about most Americans on food stamps who are both able-bodied and have no kids to mind, but who still don't work.
Yes, I call that indolence. What do you call it? And more to the point, why should an employer seek to hire such Americans when there's an immigrant who'll jump through hoops to work?
I read your link. It didn't say who the people were in American homes. Maybe this will set you straight.
Excerpt:
Legal And Illegal Immigrants Are On Welfare
In analyzing new Census reports, the Center for Immigration Studies found that immigrant families with one or more children use welfare far more than American families.
“Welfare use by illegal immigrant households is certainly a concern, but the bigger issue is welfare use by legal immigrants,†said Steven Camarota, the Center’s director of research and author of the report.
“Three-fourths of immigrant households using welfare are headed by legal immigrants. Legal immigration is supposed to benefit the country, yet so many legal immigrants are not able to support themselves or their children. This raises important questions about the selection criteria used for legal immigration,†said Camarota.
The report highlights the economics of immigration, especially illegal immigration, and comes as Syrian refugees are seeking to settle in European nations that provide rich welfare benefits. The report also suggests that America is attracting poor and uneducated immigrants. “Low levels of education — not legal status — are the main reason immigrant welfare use is high,†said the Center’s preview of their report.
It shows that legal immigrant households make extensive use of welfare, while illegal immigrant households primarily benefit from food stamps and Medicaid because of their US born children, known as anchor babies.
According to the report, “Households headed by legal immigrants have statistically significant higher use of welfare than American households overall, and for cash and food programs as well as Medicaid. This is the case a decade and a half after the 1996 welfare reform law, which was supposed to greatly limit immigrant access to the welfare system.â€
It added: “If one assumes that legal immigration is supposed to benefit the country, then immigrants allowed into the country should have much lower rates of welfare use than natives. However, our best estimate is that nearly half (49 percent) of households headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2012.â€
http://intelligentuspolitics.com/87-percent-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/ (http://intelligentuspolitics.com/87-percent-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/)
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This is just the facts:
https://cis.org/sites/default/files/camarota-welfare-illegals_1.pdf
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Update:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/06/22/figures-house-dems-unveil-border-bill-but-pack-it-was-massive-stipulations-n2548774
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I read your link. It didn't say who the people were in American homes. Maybe this will set you straight.
Excerpt:
Legal And Illegal Immigrants Are On Welfare
In analyzing new Census reports, the Center for Immigration Studies found that immigrant families with one or more children use welfare far more than American families.
“Welfare use by illegal immigrant households is certainly a concern, but the bigger issue is welfare use by legal immigrants,†said Steven Camarota, the Center’s director of research and author of the report.
“Three-fourths of immigrant households using welfare are headed by legal immigrants. Legal immigration is supposed to benefit the country, yet so many legal immigrants are not able to support themselves or their children. This raises important questions about the selection criteria used for legal immigration,†said Camarota.
The report highlights the economics of immigration, especially illegal immigration, and comes as Syrian refugees are seeking to settle in European nations that provide rich welfare benefits. The report also suggests that America is attracting poor and uneducated immigrants. “Low levels of education — not legal status — are the main reason immigrant welfare use is high,†said the Center’s preview of their report.
It shows that legal immigrant households make extensive use of welfare, while illegal immigrant households primarily benefit from food stamps and Medicaid because of their US born children, known as anchor babies.
According to the report, “Households headed by legal immigrants have statistically significant higher use of welfare than American households overall, and for cash and food programs as well as Medicaid. This is the case a decade and a half after the 1996 welfare reform law, which was supposed to greatly limit immigrant access to the welfare system.â€
It added: “If one assumes that legal immigration is supposed to benefit the country, then immigrants allowed into the country should have much lower rates of welfare use than natives. However, our best estimate is that nearly half (49 percent) of households headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2012.â€
http://intelligentuspolitics.com/87-percent-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/ (http://intelligentuspolitics.com/87-percent-of-illegal-immigrants-are-on-welfare/)
Some refuse to acknowledge facts and only believe what they want to see.
With this Congress; the Senate reaching a bipartisan deal on border funding is a complete joke.
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Some refuse to acknowledge facts and only believe what they want to see.
With this Congress; the Senate reaching a bipartisan deal on border funding is a complete joke.
It will be a real laugh riot when it goes to conference committee with the piece of crap that the House is working on!
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I had mistakenly thought that this bill had already been passed and signed into Law.