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General Category => World News => Topic started by: driftdiver on November 28, 2017, 08:16:57 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5123911/North-Korea-complete-nuclear-programme-YEAR.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5123911/North-Korea-complete-nuclear-programme-YEAR.html)
North Korea has fired another ballistic missile, which flew for 50 minutes, travelling around 620 miles, before landing in Japanese waters.
The missile was launched eastward from Pyongsong in North Korea's South Pyongan Province in the direction of the Sea of Japan at around 3.30am local time (6.30pm GMT).
South Korean and American officials are currently working together to confirm the missile's trajectory and Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has ordered an emergency cabinet meeting.
The South Korean Military says it responded with a missile exercise of its own.
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50min for 620 miles, it must have been a very high trajectory
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NKOREA LAUNCHES ICBM
FLIGHT RECORD: 50 MINS
SKOREA FIRES BACK
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1088/4726320368_c5db5bff79_b.jpg)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/north-korea-has-fired-ballistic-missile-say-reports-in-south-korea (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/28/north-korea-has-fired-ballistic-missile-say-reports-in-south-korea)
LIVE: President Trump URGENT Statement On North Korea DPRK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPLWeETlYwQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPLWeETlYwQ)
Apparently this is about a North Korean Missile test.
Strac6 (Elder Washington DC conservative Lawyer) had this to say about it.
Extreme danger and provocation!
This missile was in air for 50 minutes, went 2500 miles high and 620 miles downrange.
Only purpose of such a trajectory is to make the final tests on their re-entry warhead.
Such missile fired on a war ballistic trajectory would easily have flown as far as 5600 miles, deep in to US.
Very Bad JuJu
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3608668/posts?page=39#39 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3608668/posts?page=39#39)
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Apparently Matis said that South Korea fired back.
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Such missile fired on a war ballistic trajectory would easily have flown as far as 5600 miles, deep in to US.
It's about 5300 miles between Pyongyand and San Francisco.
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50min for 620 miles, it must have been a very high trajectory
What threat does a high trajectory pose?
Thanks,
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It's about 5300 miles between Pyongyand and San Francisco.
I would think it would go over the pole, so if it could reach San Fransisco, it can reach New York or perhaps even Washington DC.
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I would think it would go over the pole, so if it could reach San Fransisco, it can reach New York or perhaps even Washington DC.
Perhaps. I just got a quick distance between the two, didn't take into account the curvature of the flat earth.
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I would think it would go over the pole, so if it could reach San Fransisco, it can reach New York or perhaps even Washington DC.
Yes it would go over the pole and this probably puts most of the US in range. Previously the west coast, Denver, and DC were on the list.
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The higher the missile is able to reach, the closer it gets to being a sub-orbital delivery (around 100km / 62 miles altitude). If it goes high enough, it can then reach orbit and in theory, reach anywhere on the planet.
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North Korea launches new ballistic missile
BBC, Nov 28, 2017
The Pentagon said it believed it was an intercontinental ballistic missile that flew for about 1,000km (620 miles) and fell into the Sea of Japan.
South Korean news agency Yonhap said that the missile was launched from Pyongsong, South Pyongan province.
Japanese government officials said the missile travelled for about 50 minutes but did not fly over Japan, as some have done in the past.
US President Donald Trump was briefed while the missile was still in the air, the White House has said. Afterwards he said: "We will take care of it."
US Defence Secretary James Mattis said the missile had gone higher than any previous launch.
South Korea's military said it had responded with a missile exercise of its own.
More: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42160227 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42160227)
Please note: South Korea did not "fire back". They "responded with a missile exercise" of their own.
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Distance over North Pole from Pyongyand to NYC is about 7000 miles.
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If they can put something 2500 miles up they can put it into orbit. They've previously only put small objects into orbit.
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The higher the missile is able to reach, the closer it gets to being a sub-orbital delivery (around 100km / 62 miles altitude). If it goes high enough, it can then reach orbit and in theory, reach anywhere on the planet.
@Taxcontrol
Reports are this went to 2500 miles altitude
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I guess being first to post means squat
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5600 miles + curve of the earth = a line from North Dakota to LA, California and everything to the North West of that line.
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So if all those expert can only determine trajectory and target area after the fact, at what point does someone pull the trigger to splash the rocket or missile before it reaches its intended target?
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There are rumors of an impending nuke test.
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This is interesting...
Tuesday, November 28, 2017
Hawaii's nuclear warning test date coincides with North Korea's latest missile launch
HAWAII (KABC) -- Hawaii was set to test its statewide alarm system to warn residents of an impending nuclear missile attack on Tuesday - coincidentally on the same day North Korea launched a ballistic missile.
Gov. David Ige is scheduled to test the warning siren at 11 a.m. local time. The test was previously scheduled.
By chance, North Korea launched a ballistic missile on Tuesday, making it the first in over two months.
http://abc7.com/hawaiis-nuke-warning-test-nkorea-missile-launch-coincide/2707925/ (http://abc7.com/hawaiis-nuke-warning-test-nkorea-missile-launch-coincide/2707925/)
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I would think it would go over the pole, so if it could reach San Fransisco, it can reach New York or perhaps even Washington DC.
@DiogenesLamp @RoosGirl
With Curvature and shortest path, I measure 5,600 miles to Southwest Idaho.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2448scw.jpg)
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The higher the missile is able to reach, the closer it gets to being a sub-orbital delivery (around 100km / 62 miles altitude). If it goes high enough, it can then reach orbit and in theory, reach anywhere on the planet.
Alrighty then. Thanks.
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There's a huge difference between putting something up there and bringing it back down successfully where you want it to go. An EMP that takes out the entire US grid isn't likely, either. The yield would have to be many times larger than what they've successfully achieved so far. That also requires a larger launch vehicle with higher throw weight to get it into position.
The only thing Elton Jong, the Rocket Man, has demonstrated is he can create a High Flying Bird.
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@DiogenesLamp @RoosGirl
With Curvature and shortest path, I measure 5,600 miles to Southwest Idaho.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2448scw.jpg)
Thank god I live in southeast Idaho. The Norks can have Boise. But if you take into account windage they otta be able to stick it right in the supervolcano...
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It was posted in this forum, how NK could shoot over the North Pole and there was some concern with the Canadians; and by going over the North Pole, they could hit a number of sites. Suffice it to say, it sounds like I think Mattis is whom said, they could threaten anywhere on earth.
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With Curvature and shortest path, I measure 5,600 miles to Southwest Idaho.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2448scw.jpg)
Except they don't fly that way. They take routes over the pole, which is why our ABMs are in AK. If they ever launch on us, Russia will not be happy, either.
(http://wpmedia.nationalpost.com/2017/08/nk_missile_ranges1.jpg?quality=60&strip=all&w=940&h=1109)
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That’s assuming the norks are actually trying to hit the US mainland. If you look at the heading of all the launches to date, they have mostly avoided flying over Russian territory. In General, the trajectory was towards Hawaii or towards the pacific west of the US west coast. A thermonuclear explosion in the atmosphere off the west coast would create havoc in itself, not to mention the residual radiation in the west to east air flow across the country.
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That’s assuming the norks are actually trying to hit the US mainland. If you look at the heading of all the launches to date, they have mostly avoided flying over Russian territory. In General, the trajectory was towards Hawaii or towards the pacific west of the US west coast. A thermonuclear explosion in the atmosphere off the west coast would create havoc in itself, not to mention the residual radiation in the west to east air flow across the country.
Unless you're using a very short range missile, they don't fly in straight lines. Every ounce of payload equals range. You need to maximize the trajectory to achieve your goal.
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Except they don't fly that way. They take routes over the pole, which is why our ABMs are in AK. If they ever launch on us, Russia will not be happy, either.
Look at my image again, it is cutting across Alaska for a route to the western side of the US, just as your image shows to reach Denver. If it went over true North Pole, it would be too far East to hit even Maine.