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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on January 19, 2019, 10:32:13 pm
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Senate to take up Trump's border-immigration plan next week
By Jordain Carney - 01/19/19 04:47 PM EST
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Saturday that the Senate will take up President Trump's plan to tie more than $5 billion for the border wall to temporary legal protections for some undocumented immigrants next week.
"I intend to move to this legislation this week. With bipartisan cooperation, the Senate can send a bill to the House quickly so that they can take action as well," McConnell said in a statement.
Trump is asking for more than $5 billion for border security in exchange for a three-year extension in protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program recipients and some Temporary Protected Status holders. The bill being that will be taken up in the Senate would also fully reopen the federal government.
McConnell said Trump's plan is a "compromise" that includes "priorities from both sides of the aisle."
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426180-senate-to-take-up-trumps-border-immigration-plan-next-week
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I bet all those people at the Trump rallies who voted for him were not thinking of compromise and priorities for Democrats. I am absolutely certain from the ones I watched they believed that amnesty would be a thing of the past.
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If it actually makes it through the Senate, watch Pelosi add some unacceptable things to it, then throw it back to the Senate, like the pre-shut down continuing resolution was.
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If it actually makes it through the Senate, watch Pelosi add some unacceptable things to it, then throw it back to the Senate, like the pre-shut down continuing resolution was.
Let's hope that it doesn't even make it through the Senate. This is amnesty. Unacceptable!
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If the Senate was the least bit Republican, it would vote on the bill passed by the House and approve every line, not needing reconciliation, but they are not conservative, and have done nothing of consequence in two + years other than the tax legislation while they have a Republican as president. A true disgrace.
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I bet all those people at the Trump rallies who voted for him were not thinking of compromise and priorities for Democrats. I am absolutely certain from the ones I watched they believed that amnesty would be a thing of the past.
@Chosen Daughter Please try to get over yourself. No one could have fought harder for the wall and border safety than Trump.
Unless the people who voted for Trump expected him to be an absolute ruler, they should have realized he would have to deal with a Republican base that had gotten into a safe little rut and a democrat party that was drifting into insanity.
Now is not the time to carp at Trump. I hope you and the other people who are doing so will come to grips with that.
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Let's hope that it doesn't even make it through the Senate. This is amnesty. Unacceptable!
@libertybele It is not amnesty. It is giving some concessions in order to get a bill passed. Surely, you didn't think it would be easy and could be done without concessions.
I cannot believe the people here who seem to think that Trump has absolute power. It would be kinda nice if he did.
And surely you did not believe that the democrats would just cave from their intractable position without some kind of carrot.
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@Chosen Daughter Please try to get over yourself. No one could have fought harder for the wall and border safety than Trump.
Unless the people who voted for Trump expected him to be an absolute ruler, they should have realized he would have to deal with a Republican base that had gotten into a safe little rut and a democrat party that was drifting into insanity.
Now is not the time to carp at Trump. I hope you and the other people who are doing so will come to grips with that.
@Emjay, @Chosen Daughter is correct. Do you really think Trump supporters want amnesty?? If so, I declare B.S. Now is the time to absolutely hold this President, and everyone in Congress; DEM and GOP alike RESPONSIBLE!!!
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@Chosen Daughter Please try to get over yourself. No one could have fought harder for the wall and border safety than Trump.
Unless the people who voted for Trump expected him to be an absolute ruler, they should have realized he would have to deal with a Republican base that had gotten into a safe little rut and a democrat party that was drifting into insanity.
Now is not the time to carp at Trump. I hope you and the other people who are doing so will come to grips with that.
A significant Minority here (like you @Emjay, if I remember correctly) were harping on Trump 3 years ago when it really mattered. Now it is just an exercise in futility, which I still delight in.
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@Emjay, @Chosen Daughter is correct. Do you really think Trump supporters want amnesty?? If so, I declare B.S. Now is the time to absolutely hold this President, and everyone in Congress; DEM and GOP alike RESPONSIBLE!!!
For the true diehard Trump fan, nothing is ever his fault. Nothing is ever his responsibility.
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For the true diehard Trump fan, nothing is ever his fault. Nothing is ever his responsibility.
Not holding our Congressmen and President responsible for decades is exactly WHY we find ourselves faced with losing this country.
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@Emjay, @Chosen Daughter is correct. Do you really think Trump supporters want amnesty?? If so, I declare B.S. Now is the time to absolutely hold this President, and everyone in Congress; DEM and GOP alike RESPONSIBLE!!!
Politicians of both sides know exactly what Americans wanted when they voted for Trump. He built it up to the cheers of the people. Honestly I never believed him. I said so many times. But it absolutely conveyed what Americans want. It isn't compromise. Trump saying that he will get the rest is a lie too. It is obvious that this is his only chance. He should declare the state of Emergency. We are being invaded. One caravan after another. We need full border funding now. 26 billion.
And Chuck and Nancy should be ashamed of themselves. They talk about ports of entry when their own states are filled with illegal aliens and gang member who have come through the open border. Their prisons are filled with illegal alien criminals. Illegal immigrant children coming to their states are being recruited into the same gangs they say they are escaping.
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For the true diehard Trump fan, nothing is ever his fault. Nothing is ever his responsibility.
He had the right idea with State of Emergency. Because it is! While we wait for "compromise" people are pouring into our country.
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Politicians of both sides know exactly what Americans wanted when they voted for Trump. He built it up to the cheers of the people. Honestly I never believed him. I said so many times. But it absolutely conveyed what Americans want. It isn't compromise. Trump saying that he will get the rest is a lie too. It is obvious that this is his only chance. He should declare the state of Emergency. We are being invaded. One caravan after another. We need full border funding now. 26 billion.
And Chuck and Nancy should be ashamed of themselves. They talk about ports of entry when their own states are filled with illegal aliens and gang member who have come through the open border. Their prisons are filled with illegal alien criminals. Illegal immigrant children coming to their states are being recruited into the same gangs they say they are escaping.
Well, I'm beginning to think if he was going to call a state of emergency he would have already done so.
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Well, I'm beginning to think if he was going to call a state of emergency he would have already done so.
Because he is wishy-washy, squishy-squashy waffle head. He say's it but doesn't mean it. He makes a habit of it. Like when he said he wouldn't sign the spending bill. He'd be better off not saying what he is obviously not going to do.
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The SOTU Address would be a 'perfect' opportunity to declare a National Emergency, IMHO.
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The SOTU Address would be a 'perfect' opportunity to declare a National Emergency, IMHO.
It would, wouldn't it? We should be making no compromise with Democrats who are funding these caravans.
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A significant Minority here (like you @Emjay, if I remember correctly) were harping on Trump 3 years ago when it really mattered. Now it is just an exercise in futility, which I still delight in.
Oh, we weren't a minority then, @corbe I was a Bona fide Trump loather and I have admitted to that many, many times. In fact, I bonded with a person who is no longer here over our mutual Trump hate and we had a warm e-mail relationship for months. That ended abruptly after the election when I was struck Not Blind on the road to Damascus and decided to give Trump a chance since he did us the huge favor of defeating Hillary.
One of the reasons I hated him was that I thought he would cost us the election. Anyway my friend dropped me (and this forum) and I hated to lose her.
But, once I became open to giving Trump a chance, he continued to surprise and please me.
I think he's brought a new mindset to the presidency and a good one.
I wasn't even for the wall for a long time. I was for other changes such as you suggested but Trump brought me around to realizing that we DO need a physical barrier on our southern border. Once we stop the influx, we can get around to the other issues.
So keep on keeping on, corbe, if it makes you happy. You are the nicest of the NTers which I'm sure will not please you.
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The SOTU Address would be a 'perfect' opportunity to declare a National Emergency, IMHO.
Indeed. I have not heard a definitive on that yet since Nancy asked him to postpone it.
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Thank you again for the compliment (I think) about being a tolerable NT'er @Emjay. I'd bet good money that if I was smoking Maui Waui instead of this Colorado $hit I'd want to have Trump's child too. wink777
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Trump on this topic?
Compared to who?
Reagan?
The GOP majority under "speaker" Ryan?
Dr. Suess?
For anybody ever or still able to think straight, Trump was and remains your best chance.
If you got to be mad at somebody/something...how about Republicans/conservatives unable of persuading enough voters?
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Again @truth_seeker you are comparing apples to oranges, Reagan is 80's there was a guy just 3 years ago (when it mattered) that offered a better 'Real Time' solution AND Ability, but the GOP decided otherwise, not really surprising to me.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/9d/f8/9a9df8da7c349d14111ece2e1a5a9fed.jpg)
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Trump on this topic?
Compared to who? Reagan? The GOP majority under "speaker" Ryan?
Dr. Suess?
For anybody ever or still able to think straight, Trump was and remains your best chance.
If you got to be mad at somebody/something...how about Republicans/conservatives unable of persuading enough voters?
Agree with this @truth_seeker But I would add: "If you've got to be mad at somebody ... how about fu*%ing Nancy Pelosi and her cauldron of anti-American democrats.
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Again @truth_seeker you are comparing apples to oranges, Reagan is 80's there was a guy just 3 years ago (when it mattered) that offered a better 'Real Time' solution AND Ability, but the GOP decided otherwise, not really surprising to me. (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/9d/f8/9a9df8da7c349d14111ece2e1a5a9fed.jpg)
Why not wait and see how this one votes before you start throwing rose petals at his beard. Just a suggestion.
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Why not wait and see how this one votes before you start throwing rose petals at his beard. Just a suggestion.
@truth_seeker was discussing Reagan (80's), I just brought the debate forward 35 years where it really matterers, pertaining to the current immigration debate @Right_in_Virginia and Cruz's Campaign platform.
Personally it really doesn't matter what Sen. Cruz does from here on out to me. He is one of a hundred Senators with little clout in spite of being on the Trump Train for political expediency and I'm OK with it. I still believe he has kept mostly to his Conservative Core (last Budget Vote, withstanding), unlike your DJT who never had a Conservative CORE and never will.
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Oh, we weren't a minority then, @corbe I was a Bona fide Trump loather and I have admitted to that many, many times. In fact, I bonded with a person who is no longer here over our mutual Trump hate and we had a warm e-mail relationship for months. That ended abruptly after the election when I was struck Not Blind on the road to Damascus and decided to give Trump a chance since he did us the huge favor of defeating Hillary.
One of the reasons I hated him was that I thought he would cost us the election. Anyway my friend dropped me (and this forum) and I hated to lose her.
But, once I became open to giving Trump a chance, he continued to surprise and please me.
I think he's brought a new mindset to the presidency and a good one.
I wasn't even for the wall for a long time. I was for other changes such as you suggested but Trump brought me around to realizing that we DO need a physical barrier on our southern border. Once we stop the influx, we can get around to the other issues.
So keep on keeping on, corbe, if it makes you happy. You are the nicest of the NTers which I'm sure will not please you.
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Oh, we weren't a minority then, @corbe
....You are the nicest of the NTers .....
@Emjay @mrpotatohead
What.. 22222frying pan I thought I was the nicest NTer... :shrug:
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@truth_seeker was discussing Reagan (80's), I just brought the debate forward 35 years where it really matterers, pertaining to the current immigration debate @Right_in_Virginia and Cruz's Campaign platform.
Personally it really doesn't matter what Sen. Cruz does from here on out to me. He is one of a hundred Senators with little clout in spite of being on the Trump Train for political expediency and I'm OK with it. I still believe he has kept mostly to his Conservative Core (last Budget Vote, withstanding), unlike your DJT who never had a Conservative CORE and never will.
I don't think Cruz has jumped on the Trump train for political expediency, but rather has agreed with him when justified. After all, Cruz was for a wall and anti-illegal immigration long before Trump. Cruz also came out with a healthcare plan, long before Trump.
Personally, as much as I don't want to see him leave the Senate, with his recent proposal of term limits, I don't expect Cruz to run for re-election once his term is over.
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Well, I'm beginning to think if he was going to call a state of emergency he would have already done so.
Is that really necessary? I mean, we run military drills all the time, right? Let's run one where the southern border is in danger of being overrun. And if we happen to build physical barriers during the drill... well, let's force the Dems to produce the funding to take them down afterward.
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Now that would be heart breaking for me @libertybele If he gave up politics and choose not to rerun in 2024, for something.
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Thank you again for the compliment (I think) about being a tolerable NT'er @Emjay. I'd bet good money that if I was smoking Maui Waui instead of this Colorado $hit I'd want to have Trump's child too. wink777
Sorry to break it to you @corbe but: one, there is no Maui Waui. It's easier to get pot in Texas than here. And two, no matter how enamored you become, you are not physically capable of having Trump's child, unless I've greatly misjudged you.
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@Emjay @mrpotatohead
What.. 22222frying pan I thought I was the nicest NTer... :shrug:
You are so nice that I didn't even realize you are an NTer @montanajoe
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I'm gonna continue to smoke pot and try @Emjay
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Now that would be heart breaking for me @libertybele If he gave up politics and choose not to rerun in 2024, for something.
Who can see down to 2024 or even 2020, but I still want Ted Cruz to be President someday and I still think he will be. Until then, he will certainly run for Senator in 2024, but by then, he could run for President.
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Unless he Grandfathers himself into his 'Term Limits' bill it's as @libertybele prophesied, He bluffed himself out of his Job, am I wrong or just typically to deep/shallow?
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The SOTU Address would be a 'perfect' opportunity to declare a National Emergency, IMHO.
I think that's exactly why he floated this compromise before the SOTU. This will go to the Senate Tuesday and should pass (now that our best buddy Mitt is on board) Then we'll see what the House does. If they pass it, good. Shutdown over and we have a wall, or a fraction of one.
It will be an excellent indication of the extent of Pelosi's power. If the House sticks with her, then I see no choice for Trump than declaring the National Emergency in his SOTU address.
He will have tried everything at that point.
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@Emjay within 3 minutes of that infamous Escalator ride in 2015 it was obvious Immigration was the key issue and though he has made valiant attempts of correcting this problem, his report card 2 years in is certainly not a failure but it's not encouraging either.
I've always believed this was beyond his capability so I'm not discouraged or even disappointed.
I would have been surprised if a President Cruz could have pulled it off, there is a very strong headwind against any REAL Immigration Reform in the upper chambers of the US Politic.
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The SOTU Address would be a 'perfect' opportunity to declare a National Emergency, IMHO.
We just might see that. They have stated they will do a SOTU one way or another on schedule (Jan 29, if not mistaken). Second, this latest move by Trump was a setup to back the Dems into the proverbial corner. Knowing that Chuckie and Nannie would say his proposal was DOA and they won’t support something they once did, that sets up his only option, an emergency declaration.
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We just might see that. They have stated they will do a SOTU one way or another on schedule (Jan 29, if not mistaken). Second, this latest move by Trump was a setup to back the Dems into the proverbial corner. Knowing that Chuckie and Nannie would say his proposal was DOA and they won’t support something they once did, that sets up his only option, an emergency declaration.
For the millions of Americans, the President appeared rational, concerned, compassionate and committed to fixing problems. The democrat response appears intransigent, self-serving and cold blooded.
The second missed paycheck for furloughed nonessentials is now in our line of sight. Look for a peeling away of democrat support to start with them and gain speed and strength on its way to DC. Maybe Pelosi should ponder this as she waits for her connecting flight back to Reagan National.
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Senate to take up Trump's border-immigration plan next week
By Jordain Carney - 01/19/19 04:47 PM EST
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Saturday that the Senate will take up President Trump's plan to tie more than $5 billion for the border wall to temporary legal protections for some undocumented immigrants next week.
"I intend to move to this legislation this week. With bipartisan cooperation, the Senate can send a bill to the House quickly so that they can take action as well," McConnell said in a statement.
Trump is asking for more than $5 billion for border security in exchange for a three-year extension in protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program recipients and some Temporary Protected Status holders. The bill being that will be taken up in the Senate would also fully reopen the federal government.
McConnell said Trump's plan is a "compromise" that includes "priorities from both sides of the aisle."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426180-senate-to-take-up-trumps-border-immigration-plan-next-week
Mouse McConnell should be horse-whipped and chased out of DC. Yeah,it would cost him his Chinese wife/handler,but he's so old it's not like he would miss out of anything other than that high-pitched Oriental shrieking of "yoo sew stoopid,old white man!",and make America a better place at the same time.
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@Emjay, @Chosen Daughter is correct. Do you really think Trump supporters want amnesty?? If so, I declare B.S. Now is the time to absolutely hold this President, and everyone in Congress; DEM and GOP alike RESPONSIBLE!!!
@libertybele
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately,RINO pustules will blame any compromises ENTIRELY on Trump,while giving traitors like Marshmallow Mitch a pass because he is a GENUINE Modern Day Alleged Republican.
I think the reason you NT's hate Trump so much is because of the FACT that he spent years as a registered Dim (due to living in the NE and having to deal with Dim pols),and it took a (formerly) registed Dim politician to stand up on his hind legs and fight off the left while your RINO heroes are still sucking their toes and making excuses about how "it's soooo hard to do the right thing when it will cost me Dim friends!"
Not to mention being cut out of a percentage of the cash payoffs the Dims get for betraying America and Americans.
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For the true diehard Trump fan, nothing is ever his fault. Nothing is ever his responsibility.
@Applewood
You are confusing Trump supporters with your Bush-Bot friends.
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Again @truth_seeker you are comparing apples to oranges, Reagan is 80's there was a guy just 3 years ago (when it mattered) that offered a better 'Real Time' solution AND Ability, but the GOP decided otherwise, not really surprising to me.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9a/9d/f8/9a9df8da7c349d14111ece2e1a5a9fed.jpg)
@corbe
Yeah,causen if there is ONE thing America really needs it is yet ANOTHER alleged Republican from the bullshit state of Texas.
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@truth_seeker was discussing Reagan (80's), I just brought the debate forward 35 years where it really matterers, pertaining to the current immigration debate @Right_in_Virginia and Cruz's Campaign platform.
Personally it really doesn't matter what Sen. Cruz does from here on out to me. He is one of a hundred Senators with little clout in spite of being on the Trump Train for political expediency and I'm OK with it. I still believe he has kept mostly to his Conservative Core (last Budget Vote, withstanding), unlike your DJT who never had a Conservative CORE and never will.
@corbe
Good to see you come out of the closet as a blind Party Pod Person and admit in public that a RINO is better in your alleged mind than someone who does NOT wear a "Big Red R" on his chest,but actually pushes conservative legislation.
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@Emjay, @Chosen Daughter is correct. Do you really think Trump supporters want amnesty?? If so, I declare B.S. Now is the time to absolutely hold this President, and everyone in Congress; DEM and GOP alike RESPONSIBLE!!!
I am very pleased to see holding Demonrats accountable is still acceptable here @libertybele happy77
A couple of random thoughts on DACA: An extension of the protections provided by this is not amnesty. There is no offer of citizenship on the table, as of now. But holding onto the expectation those here, for years, through DACA will be deported or permanently denied citizenship is unhealthy. Neither the judiciary nor the court of public opinion will allow this.
The DACA "fix" still rests with Congress. And until and unless we retake the House with pro Trump members and biotch slap a couple of Republican Senators now seated, DACA in its current form is with us.
Sorry for the depressing news on a Sunday morning, but *this* is the reality.
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Personally it really doesn't matter what Sen. Cruz does from here on out to me. He is one of a hundred Senators with little clout in spite of being on the Trump Train for political expediency and I'm OK with it. I still believe he has kept mostly to his Conservative Core (last Budget Vote, withstanding), unlike your DJT who never had a Conservative CORE and never will.
I love how you still throw out "conservative" as though this label matters to anyone beyond an ever decreasing minority of voters @corbe Bless your heart. happy77
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@libertybele
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately,RINO pustules will blame any compromises ENTIRELY on Trump,while giving traitors like Marshmallow Mitch a pass because he is a GENUINE Modern Day Alleged Republican.
I think the reason you NT's hate Trump so much is because of the FACT that he spent years as a registered Dim (due to living in the NE and having to deal with Dim pols),and it took a (formerly) registed Dim politician to stand up on his hind legs and fight off the left while your RINO heroes are still sucking their toes and making excuses about how "it's soooo hard to do the right thing when it will cost me Dim friends!"
Not to mention being cut out of a percentage of the cash payoffs the Dims get for betraying America and Americans.
I sat wondering if I should even defend such a ridiculous accusation...do NO speak for me and try to tell me what I stand for. Once again for the record I don't hate Trump. I DO refuse to give him a free pass on everything. I DON'T give any politician a free pass. I give credit when credit is due and I believe holding them responsible for when they are wrong. I am in no way pro RINO; quite the opposite if you were to go back and read my post after post after post on the RINO brigade that haunts this country.
No compromise on the sovereignty of this country. No DACA. No Dreamers. No Amensty. No Asylum. No Birthright Citizenship. No Chain migration. I have stated that several times.
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I love how you still throw out "conservative" as though this label matters to anyone beyond an ever decreasing minority of voters @corbe Bless your heart. happy77
So, because conservatives are supposedly decreasing in number, they are supposed to give up their principles and values?? I don't think so. Compromising ones values and principles and disregarding the Constitution is exactly why the GOP is in trouble.
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I am very pleased to see holding Demonrats accountable is still acceptable here @libertybele happy77
A couple of random thoughts on DACA: An extension of the protections provided by this is not amnesty. There is no offer of citizenship on the table, as of now. But holding onto the expectation those here, for years, through DACA will be deported or permanently denied citizenship is unhealthy. Neither the judiciary nor the court of public opinion will allow this.
The DACA "fix" still rests with Congress. And until and unless we retake the House with pro Trump members and biotch slap a couple of Republican Senators now seated, DACA in its current form is with us.
Sorry for the depressing news on a Sunday morning, but *this* is the reality.
I realize that as of right now there is no offer to permanently let the DACA Dreamers, stay. That IS what the DEMS want.
You said it in a nutshell; "onto the expectation those here, for years, through DACA will be deported or permanently denied citizenship is unhealthy. Neither the judiciary nor the court of public opinion will allow this." ....
Unhealthy? So ... we give up and let the leftists have their way? If that's the case ...why fight to build the wall?? Heck ... why hold up the caravans? So what you're indicating is this is nothing more than a horse and pony show by Trump and the GOP and they are just trying to save face because of public opinion and the judiciary? IN other words; give up on the sovereignty of this country. No and hell no!!
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@Applewood
You are confusing Trump supporters with your Bush-Bot friends.
Really @sneakypete ? Bush-bot? That’s what you’re going with?
Heres a teeny, tiny little test: ask RiV to name one thing that trump has done that she disagrees with or was his fault. Go ahead ask her.
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https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1086989963030351874
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) indicated to Republican senators yesterday he would try to move to start debate on the bill to fund thr gov’t Tuesday. The motion to proceed only needs a simple majority. But cutting off debate will need 60 yeas
6:12 AM - 20 Jan 2019
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If Democrats don’t cooperate to end debate on motion to proceed to bill to re-open gov’t, McConnell will need to file cloture Tuesday to cut off debate on the motion to proceed which would not ripen for a vote until Thursday.
6:12 AM - 20 Jan 2019
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I realize that as of right now there is no offer to permanently let the DACA Dreamers, stay. That IS what the DEMS want.
You said it in a nutshell; "onto the expectation those here, for years, through DACA will be deported or permanently denied citizenship is unhealthy. Neither the judiciary nor the court of public opinion will allow this." ....
Unhealthy? So ... we give up and let the leftists have their way? If that's the case ...why fight to build the wall?? Heck ... why hold up the caravans? So what you're indicating is this is nothing more than a horse and pony show by Trump and the GOP and they are just trying to save face because of public opinion and the judiciary? IN other words; give up on the sovereignty of this country. No and hell no!!
I called it "unhealthy" @libertybele because I mean it .... clinging to this demand is not good for your health. Current DACA "protectees" is not where the battle for US sovereignty is being fought. Current DACA recipients is a battle we have lost. We are not going to drag them by the scruff of their necks back across the border. The best we can hope for is to withhold citizenship until the law is fixed in Congress, and the President is doing this.
The only other option is to exhaust ourselves, alienate voters, and take the focus off actual border security and the obstructionism of the demonrats because you're preferring punitive over smart and meaningful policy. Join the cause where the battle is actually being fought.
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https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1086989472326127617
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
Fox is told that Senate the Senate GOPers have been scrambling over the weekend to put together the bill the President proposed yesterday.
Fox is told the text should be available tomorrow.
6:11 AM - 20 Jan 2019
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https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1086989316084121600
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram
On Fox, Pence says plan to help DREAMers/DACA “is not amnesty.†Says there is no pathway to citizenship
6:10 AM - 20 Jan 2019
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A majority of voters, many Republican – Rockefeller wing to Goldwater-ites – will not embrace the deportation of the innocent children of illegals who, through no fault of their own, were raised in America. I refuse to believe we would punish the blameless. It’s not within our character.
DACA, in some form, is here to stay.
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A majority of voters, many Republican – Rockefeller wing to Goldwater-ites – will not embrace the deportation of the innocent children of illegals who, through no fault of their own, were raised in America. I refuse to believe we would punish the blameless. It’s not within our character.
DACA, in some form, is here to stay.
@aligncare
We iz da wurld........
We iz da peep-pulls.......
It might not be their fault they were brought here,but how is it OUR fault and why do WE have to pay them?
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@aligncare
We iz da wurld........
We iz da peep-pulls.......
It might not be their fault they were brought here,but how is it OUR fault and why do WE have to pay them?
I was brought here by immigrants at age 5 and have been paying taxes forty-five years. Okay, in my case I was brought here legally. But, I don’t see why it should be any different for a DACA dependent. Do you?
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I was brought here by immigrants at age 5 and have been paying taxes forty-five years. Okay, in my case I was brought here legally. But, I don’t see why it should be any different for a DACA dependent. Do you?
Yes. If we're going to make the argument anchor babies aren't truly citizens and are ineligible for the benefits citizenship brings, we shouldn't allow it to be offered to children who were actually born on foreign soil.
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I called it "unhealthy" @libertybele because I mean it .... clinging to this demand is not good for your health. Current DACA "protectees" is not where the battle for US sovereignty is being fought. Current DACA recipients is a battle we have lost. We are not going to drag them by the scruff of their necks back across the border. The best we can hope for is to withhold citizenship until the law is fixed in Congress, and the President is doing this.
The only other option is to exhaust ourselves, alienate voters, and take the focus off actual border security and the obstructionism of the demonrats because you're preferring punitive over smart and meaningful policy. Join the cause where the battle is actually being fought.
Yes I do understand where you're coming from. Amnesty and citizenship are two different things. However, how long do you think it will be before the DEMS and the RINO's grant them citizenship? Those here by chain migration will be next. Those here by asylum have only a few years to wait before they can apply for citizenship.
At that point IMHO amnesty and citizenship become synonymous. Bottom line is the DEMS gain an overwhelming number of voters.
No, I do not blame Trump for the actions of RINO's and liberal leftists. I do find fault that he didn't utilize those in the Freedom Caucus who put their necks out and were ignored by him. I do find fault that he didn't fight this battle sooner; certainly sooner than just days before the new Congress was sworn in.
I will never agree to handing our country over to a bunch of people who did not come here legally. Yes they include those who want a better life, but they also include; terrorists, rapists, murderers and gangs and yes, those who want to implement Sharia law and those aforementioned are definitely not willing to assimilate to America.
I stand firmly in my belief. No compromise is worth the sovereignty of this country.
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Yes I do understand where you're coming from. Amnesty and citizenship are two different things. However, how long do you think it will be before the DEMS and the RINO's grant them citizenship? Those here by chain migration will be next. Those here by asylum have only a few years to wait before they can apply for citizenship.
At that point IMHO amnesty and citizenship become synonymous. Bottom line is the DEMS gain an overwhelming number of voters.
No, I do not blame Trump for the actions of RINO's and liberal leftists. I do find fault that he didn't utilize those in the Freedom Caucus who put their necks out and were ignored by him. I do find fault that he didn't fight this battle sooner; certainly sooner than just days before the new Congress was sworn in.
The Freedom Caucus found out very soon that it didn't belong in the Trump Republican Party.
No Conservatives welcome......
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The Freedom Caucus found out very soon that it didn't belong in the Trump Republican Party.
No Conservatives welcome......
:patriot: Exactly.
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But, I don’t see why it should be any different for a DACA dependent. Do you?
@aligncare
Yes. YOU were brought here legally,and America had the option of welcoming your family as an asset,or rejecting them as a drag on our economy and legal system.
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A majority of voters, many Republican – Rockefeller wing to Goldwater-ites – will not embrace the deportation of the innocent children of illegals who, through no fault of their own, were raised in America. I refuse to believe we would punish the blameless. It’s not within our character.
DACA, in some form, is here to stay.
I wonder what the average age is of the DACA kids. In three years a lot of them may be adults and could apply for legal citizenship assuming they've behaved and their parents have behaved.
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The Freedom Caucus found out very soon that it didn't belong in the Trump Republican Party.
No Conservatives welcome......
The Freedom Caucus should take another look and start supporting Trump. He may not be their cup of cocoa but he's the most conservative President we've had in years about the things that matter.
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The Freedom Caucus should take another look and start supporting Trump. He may not be their cup of cocoa but he's the most conservative President we've had in years about the things that matter.
It works the opposite way. He needs the Freedom Caucus votes, especially now, since the GOP majority was lost. Had he listened to them, I am confident that we would have seen a repeal of Bammycare. Instead, by not siding with them, he indicated he was willing to lean left. Big mistake.
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I wonder what the average age is of the DACA kids. In three years a lot of them may be adults and could apply for legal citizenship assuming they've behaved and their parents have behaved.
Another point I was trying to make. These kids were brought over (stragetically) by Bammy as teens ... knowing that the majority of them would soon reach voting age. Keep in mind that they aren't classified as illegal, but misplaced. So ... not quite sure how many have truly been counted for. Any way they equal votes. Those coming across on the caravan once granted asylum they can apply for citizenship = DEM votes. IF the GOP voting base doesn't realize that soon by the sheer numbers of those coming across and gaining voting privileges, that they will soon outnumber the GOP so significantly that they won't be seated as it will be mathematically impossible, then they aren't paying attention or don't have a clue.
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@aligncare
Yes. YOU were brought here legally,and America had the option of welcoming your family as an asset,or rejecting them as a drag on our economy and legal system.
If there are young adults, and their whole world was here in America, where is the justice in uprooting them? We expect justice to be swift, at least in principle.
Anyway, aside from my personal view, I gotta believe most people see DACA as an acceptable bargaining chip for a wall and greater security going forward.
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If there are young adults, and their whole world was here in America, where is the justice in uprooting them? We expect justice to be swift, at least in principle.
Anyway, aside from my personal view, I gotta believe most people see DACA as an acceptable bargaining chip for a wall and greater security going forward.
Justice in principle. Where is the justice in a political party uprooting kids and dropping them off here knowing full well that in a couple of years they will be of voting age and a continuous repetition of that situation will enable them to outnumber the other political party significantly by votes.
Make no mistake that the DEMS didn't bring them here for humanitarian reasons, nor to give them a better life. They brought them here to increase their votes, because they couldn't win any other way.
This is a tough decision. Do we lose the sovereignty of our country for a select group of people who shouldn't be here in the first place or do we save our sovereignty for the citizens of this country who are here legally, which far out number them (at the moment)?
IF each DACA recipient would be asked to sign a waiver that in order to stay here they would surrender (forever) ALL voting privileges in the future, no birthright citizenship for their children, nor any use of chain migration, I wouldn't have such a problem with them staying. IF each DACA recipient would be asked to sign an agreement to assimilate to American culture, I wouldn't have such a problem with them staying. IF each DACA recipient would sign an agreement stipulating that if they broke the law they would automatically agree to be deported, I wouldn't have such a problem with them staying. You and I both know that the DEMS would never let any of those agreements fly and even if such agreements were signed, they would find a way to rescind them.
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The Freedom Caucus should take another look and start supporting Trump. He may not be their cup of cocoa but he's the most conservative President we've had in years about the things that matter.
The way I see it, the freedom caucus are about the only ones in Washington who have the president's back.
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The way I see it, the freedom caucus are about the only ones in Washington who have the president's back.
Exactly.
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If there are young adults, and their whole world was here in America, where is the justice in uprooting them?
@aligncare
It's not obvious? They should have never been here to start with,or should have been deported long ago. Deporting them now is only DELAYED justice.
Let them go back home and apply to be allowed back in the US.
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@Chosen Daughter Please try to get over yourself. No one could have fought harder for the wall and border safety than Trump.
Unless the people who voted for Trump expected him to be an absolute ruler, they should have realized he would have to deal with a Republican base that had gotten into a safe little rut and a democrat party that was drifting into insanity.
Now is not the time to carp at Trump. I hope you and the other people who are doing so will come to grips with that.
I wish you would get over yourself and your superiority complex. Just because you fall at his feet for every word doesn't mean that others can't be critical thinkers.
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@aligncare
It's not obvious? They should have never been here to start with,or should have been deported long ago. Deporting them now is only DELAYED justice.
Let them go back home and apply to be allowed back in the US.
Agree Sneaky Pete. If that really was an argument why would we want anyone to leave the only country they know to come here? Reverse the theory. All of those illegal immigrants are forcing their own children to leave the only country they know to come here. Many of them settle with family members who have settle in neighborhoods with gang violence. They then become the next MS=13 recruit in LA or New York.
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@aligncare
It's not obvious? They should have never been here to start with,or should have been deported long ago. Deporting them now is only DELAYED justice.
Let them go back home and apply to be allowed back in the US.
Wow, a rare agreement...
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I wish you would get over yourself and your superiority complex. Just because you fall at his feet for every word doesn't mean that others can't be critical thinkers.
888high58888 :amen: Sort of like someone opening a car door and inviting children inside for candy and without thinking the children go right on in; not knowing really what's going to happen, only knowing what they've been told an promised.
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888high58888 :amen: Sort of like someone opening a car door and inviting children inside for candy and without thinking the children go right on in; not knowing really what's going to happen, only knowing what they've been told an promised.
Exactly. Reminds me of...............can't help myself..............Chitty Chitty bang bang!
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You two have obviously not tasted my favorite flavor of her candy, she calls it:
Big Head Todd & The Monsters - "Bittersweet"
Love ya Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUNfC3tTI8#)
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Exactly. Reminds me of...............can't help myself..............Chitty Chitty bang bang!
You knew this was coming right?? For your entertainment pleasure: (Oh, go ahead, turn up your speakers) :rolling:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbQi5NZ2tXk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbQi5NZ2tXk#)
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The way I see it, the freedom caucus are about the only ones in Washington who have the president's back.
Exactly. The Freedom Caucus and the President work very well together.
@libertybele @musiclady
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You knew this was coming right?? For your entertainment pleasure: (Oh, go ahead, turn up your speakers) :rolling:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbQi5NZ2tXk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbQi5NZ2tXk#)
:thumbsup: Awesome!
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Exactly. Reminds me of...............can't help myself..............Chitty Chitty bang bang!
(https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/sites/default/files/Child_Catcher_From_Chitty_Chitty_Bang_Bang.gif)
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(https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/sites/default/files/Child_Catcher_From_Chitty_Chitty_Bang_Bang.gif)
Now if you could just insert Nancy Pelosi's face into that.
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Now if you could just insert Nancy Pelosi's face into that.
That is Nancy's face.
(In the movie, do you remember the Toy Maker? He was played by Benny Hill.)
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That is Nancy's face.
(In the movie, do you remember the Toy Maker? He was played by Benny Hill.)
@Hoodat
She must have been wearing a lot of makeup because she was much prettier than she usually is.
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Another point I was trying to make. These kids were brought over (stragetically) by Bammy as teens ... knowing that the majority of them would soon reach voting age. Keep in mind that they aren't classified as illegal, but misplaced. So ... not quite sure how many have truly been counted for. Any way they equal votes. Those coming across on the caravan once granted asylum they can apply for citizenship = DEM votes. IF the GOP voting base doesn't realize that soon by the sheer numbers of those coming across and gaining voting privileges, that they will soon outnumber the GOP so significantly that they won't be seated as it will be mathematically impossible, then they aren't paying attention or don't have a clue.
There is no talking to you.
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There is no talking to you.
You are correct, I don't care to converse with you anymore as you refuse to acknowledge what WILL happen as a result of granting amnesty in any way shape or form.
Moving on. Peace.
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You are correct, I don't care to converse with you anymore as you refuse to acknowledge what WILL happen as a result of granting amnesty in any way shape or form.
Moving on. Peace.
If you tell her that Trump is against amnesty, then she will be against amnesty.
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If you tell her that Trump is against amnesty, then she will be against amnesty.
You are beyond stupid.
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You are beyond stupid.
Really @Emjay. That's pretty low and childish to call a fellow briefer names. Take a break. Go outside and get a breath of fresh air. Inhale and relax.
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Whatever stance people here might take regarding the wisdom of DACA legislation, if I know my fellow Americans, the bulk will support some form of legalization for those kids brought here as infants, toddlers and school-agers.
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Whatever stance people here might take regarding the wisdom of DACA legislation, if I know my fellow Americans, the bulk will support some form of legalization for those kids brought here as infants, toddlers and school-agers.
Some will and some won't! Put me in the latter category.
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Some will and some won't! Put me in the latter category.
I have compassion for America and its border. These kids have received everything they need to go back to their home countries including help with their higher education. They could go back and get jobs and make a life there. Even use those educations to run for office and make a difference.
I am not lawfully present. Am I eligible for any public assistance?
You may be eligible for limited programs IF you meet other requirements, such as being low-income. These programs include:
•emergency Medicaid
•medical coverage for pregnant women
•medical coverage for children - see Apple Health for Kids Program
•medical coverage for dialysis or cancer treatment
•immunizations, testing for and treatment of communicable diseases
•disaster relief
•school lunch, child nutrition programs, foster care and adoption assistance
•higher education loans
•Head Start and other education programs
•Job Training Partnership Act
•community programs necessary to protect life or safety such as domestic violence shelters
•A once-a-year emergency cash grant for families – see Consolidated Emergency Assistance Program (CEAP): Extra Money for Needy Families)
I am not eligible. Can I still apply for assistance for my family members?
Yes. Your family members may be eligible for assistance even if you are not. All low-income children in Washington state are eligible for free or reduced fee medical coverage, regardless of immigration status.
If I apply for assistance for myself, will I be reported to immigration authorities?
There is very little risk of this. There are a number of laws and policies in place that protect the privacy of the information you provide when you apply for benefits.
If you apply for medical assistance, the info you provide can only be used to determine your eligibility for assistance. It CANNOT be used for immigration enforcement.
https://www.washingtonlawhelp.org/resource/washington-public-assistance-for-undocumented#b (https://www.washingtonlawhelp.org/resource/washington-public-assistance-for-undocumented#b)
We have already given them everything they needed to be raised by the nanny state to become successful.
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Some will and some won't! Put me in the latter category.
Me too.
It is kind of funny though to see Trump sycophants who viciously maligned a Conservative presidential candidate by falsely accusing him of supporting amnesty, yet who now are on board with supporting amnesty themselves.
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You are beyond stupid.
I'm not the one here exhibiting the sudden pro-amnesty conversion.
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Me too.
It is kind of funny though to see Trump sycophants who viciously maligned a Conservative presidential candidate by falsely accusing him of supporting amnesty, yet who now are on board with supporting amnesty themselves.
888high58888 :patriot:
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It is kind of funny though to see Trump sycophants who viciously maligned a Conservative presidential candidate by falsely accusing him of supporting amnesty, yet who now are on board with supporting amnesty themselves.
You can have your insults, you can have your hate, you can have your tantrum, but you cannot have your own facts @Hoodat
The President has not proposed, endorsed or suggested amnesty in any shape, manner or form. Anyone with two working brain cells knows this.
This goes for you too, @libertybele
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The President has not proposed, endorsed or suggested amnesty in any shape, manner or form. Anyone with two working brain cells knows this.
Yes, he has, and this tweet demonstrates it.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
No, Amnesty is not a part of my offer. It is a 3 year extension of DACA. Amnesty will be used only on a much bigger deal, whether on immigration or something else. Likewise there will be no big push to remove the 11,000,000 plus people who are here illegally-but be careful Nancy!
7:23 AM · Jan 20, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
First of all, he’s offering extension of protection for three years. The only way that’s part of any deal or could be considered a concession is if he intended on deporting them in the first place. If he doesn’t mean it, Dems would be dumb to accept something they’d get anyway, as a concession. If he really means to deport them, offering protection while a permanent deal is worked out is temporary amnesty. He’s admitting offers of permanent amnesty will come in the larger immigration negotiations. He says it plain as day in the third sentence. Likewise, he states no large action would be taken to remove 11M people here illegally. That’s giving them a pass, aka, amnesty.
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Ye, he has, and this tweet demonstrates it.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
No, Amnesty is not a part of my offer. It is a 3 year extension of DACA. Amnesty will be used only on a much bigger deal, whether on immigration or something else. Likewise there will be no big push to remove the 11,000,000 plus people who are here illegally-but be careful Nancy!
7:23 AM · Jan 20, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
First of all, he’s offering extension of protection for three years. The only way that’s part of any deal or could be considered a concession is if he intended on deporting them in the first place. If he doesn’t mean it, Dems would be dumb to accept something they’d get anyway, as a concession. If he really means to deport them, offering protection while a permanent deal is worked out is temporary amnesty. He’s admitting offers of permanent amnesty will come in the larger immigration negotiations. He says it plain as day in the third sentence. Likewise, he states no large action would be taken to remove 11M people here illegally. That’s giving them a pass, aka, amnesty.
None of that matters. What Trump actually says doesn't matter.
We are being instructed to belief what people whose faith is in Trump think he thinks, even though he says the exact opposite.
Get it?? *****rollingeyes*****
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Really @Emjay. That's pretty low and childish to call a fellow briefer names. Take a break. Go outside and get a breath of fresh air. Inhale and relax.
Really @libertybele that guy just said something very offensive to me about my feelings about Trump and I would reiterate that the remark was way beyond stupid.
I don't appreciate the phony advice from someone who desperately needs to relax, go outside, get a breath of fresh air and stop bitching about Trump being unable to do the impossible.
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You can have your insults, you can have your hate, you can have your tantrum, but you cannot have your own facts @Hoodat
The President has not proposed, endorsed or suggested amnesty in any shape, manner or form. Anyone with two working brain cells knows this.
This goes for you too, @libertybele
@RIV, what would you consider extending 'protections' to DACA/Dreamers as?? 2 options they either stay or go. If they stay ... do you think that the DEMS, liberal leftists, are going to just keep them in limbo?? Or do you think that just maybe they'll be given amnesty thus, increasing their voting base.
DJT has offered to extend their stay .... again... anyone with half a brain cell sees the writing on the wall and the open door to amnesty. Get your head out of the sand.
Secondly, he stated that he was saving "AMNESTY" for a much bigger deal....what part of the word "AMNESTY" don't you comprehend??? Again, get your head out of the sand.
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DJT has offered to extend their stay .... again... anyone with half a brain cell sees the writing on the wall and the open door to amnesty. Get your head out of the sand.
Imagine the reaction at one of his rallies if instead of saying “we’re going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it,†he said, “we’re going to protect DACA kids and you’re going to pay for it.â€
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Imagine the reaction at one of his rallies if instead of saying “we’re going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it,†he said, “we’re going to protect DACA kids and you’re going to pay for it.â€
Exactly. 888high58888
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You can have your insults, you can have your hate, you can have your tantrum, but you cannot have your own facts @Hoodat
The President has not proposed, endorsed or suggested amnesty in any shape, manner or form. Anyone with two working brain cells knows this.
Trump's immigration plan: Deport the undocumented, 'legal status' for some
By Jeremy Diamond, CNN | Updated 8:48 AM ET, Thu July 30, 2015
(CNN)Donald Trump, the Republican presidential hopeful who shot up to the head of the pack over his controversial comments about illegal immigrants, is finally starting to lay out an immigration policy.
Trump said Wednesday in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash that as president he would deport all undocumented immigrants and then allow the "good ones" to reenter the country through an "expedited process" and live in the U.S. legally, though not as citizens.
"Legal status," Trump suggested. "We got to move 'em out, we're going to move 'em back in if they're really good people."
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/index.html)
This is what is known as Touchback Amnesty. Trump even campaigned on it. And people like you have been lying about it the entire time. I believe an apology from you is in order, @Right_in_Virginia
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Very appropriate response, @Hoodat I was looking for the video of that earlier.
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Legal status is not the same as naturalization. I don’t think DACA will go as far as citizenship anyway. Most Americans would probably support the idea of eventual permanent resident status for DACA.
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Legal status is not the same as naturalization.
However, Legal Status is still Amnesty. It takes an illegal status and turns it into a legal one.
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Legal status is not the same as naturalization. I don’t think DACA will go as far as citizenship anyway. Most Americans would probably support the idea of eventual permanent resident status for DACA.
No. Permanent residency IS amnesty -- and is an eventual path to citizenship
Let's not forget the DREAM Act of 2017 --
On July 20, 2017, Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY) introduced the Dream Act of 2017. It is a bipartisan bill that would provide a direct road to U.S. citizenship for people who are either undocumented, have DACA or temporary protected status (TPS), and who graduate from U.S. high schools and attend college, enter the workforce, or enlist in the military.
https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration-reform-and-executive-actions/dream-act-2017-summary-and-faq/ (https://www.nilc.org/issues/immigration-reform-and-executive-actions/dream-act-2017-summary-and-faq/)
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Exactly. 888high58888
Somehow I don't think that would go over at all.
I think this is going to be a tough vote for a lot of Democrats. Odds are that when a real court hears the silly injunction ordered by #Resistance judges that DACA will be dead. Even without that, there is a lawsuit brewing in the Fifth Circuit to have DACA ruled unconstitutional much as its demented sibling, DAPA, was.
If this bill passes the Senate, then Nancy Pelosi will be in a very awkward position. She either has to spurn an offer that gives relief to DREAMers or she can continue to act out on her snit.
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2019/01/21/mitch-mcconnell-ups-stakes-government-shutdown-game/ (https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2019/01/21/mitch-mcconnell-ups-stakes-government-shutdown-game/)