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A&E Places Phil Robertson on Indefinite Hiatus From ‘Duck Dynasty’ Following Fiery Remarks on Homosexuality
A&E has placed “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson on indefinite hiatus from the show after he made a number of brutally honest comments about homosexuality in an interview with GQ.
“We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson’s comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. The network has placed Phil under hiatus from filming indefinitely,” A&E said in a statement.
A&E Places Phil Robertson on Indefinite Hiatus Following Fiery Remarks About Homosexuality
In this May 9, 2012 photo, from left, Willie Robertson, Korie Robertson, Phil Robertson, Miss Kay Robertson and Si Robertson pose at the A&E Networks 2012 Upfront at Lincoln Center in New York. The Robertsons star in the A&E reality series “Duck Dynasty.” (Photo: AP)
As TheBlaze reported on Wednesday, Robertson claimed homosexuality is immoral and questioned why a man would choose another man’s “anus” over a woman’s “vagina.”
“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he said.
He added: “It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”
Robertson released his own statement prior to the news of his hiatus:
“I myself am a product of the ’60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”
Robertson will likely appear in season four of “Duck Dynasty,” since production is largely wrapped,” according to the Hollywood Reporter.
Carousel image via A&E. This story has been updated.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/18/ae-places-phil-robertson-on-indefinite-hiatus-following-fiery-remarks-about-homosexuality/
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Loss of free speech and employment because of his sexual preference.
I do believe this is unconstitutional.....
And the war against Christians continues.
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Rush on this now.
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Rush on this now.
Oooooh... I wish I could listen to him today!! :smokin:
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Oooooh... I wish I could listen to him today!! :smokin:
He's covering it well, IMO.
The double standard with what the left can do, especially.
The fear of saying what you think if you're a conservative........particularly a Christian. But also saying that the Robertson's are doing the show BECAUSE they're Christian and it gives them a platform to speak Scriptural truth.
And espousing the obvious free market freedom AE has to fire him.
Right now saying, he's not sure this is a loss.
(Because of the attention they're getting).
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(Because of the attention they're getting).
Oh heck yeah! I think every other post I see on FB is about DD. I've already seen a "Bring Phil Back, Ya Quack!" t/shirt being advertised. Gotta love capitalism. :laugh:
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Oh heck yeah! I think every other post I see on FB is about DD. I've already seen a "Bring Phil Back, Ya Quack!" t/shirt being advertised. Gotta love capitalism. :laugh:
Exactly!
Rush mentioned something interesting........that there may be a possibility that Americans have reached a tipping point, and that this might serve as a catalyst. The majority are sick of being pushed around by a tiny minority.
The lack of free speech we Christians have because of the militant, hate-filled minority is appalling.
I'll be watching to see what Phil and his family do as a result of this absurdity.
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I was just getting ready to comment about Rush's tipping point remarks. Nice to hear, but we shall see...
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I was just getting ready to comment about Rush's tipping point remarks. Nice to hear, but we shall see...
I think we have to reach it sometime.
This attack on Phil Robertson's freedom (agree with his views or not) and the rule of the tiny minority over the majority is very public. It's out there.
And from the little I know about all the Robertsons, they're not about to be quiet about this.
I think Rush is right in that they certainly didn't agree to do the show because they needed the money. I think he's right in thinking that they are doing it to promote Christianity, family, love for others, and that this attack on their right to free speech may well give them an even bigger bully pulpit than they've had on A&E.
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I think we have to reach it sometime.
This attack on Phil Robertson's freedom (agree with his views or not) and the rule of the tiny minority over the majority is very public. It's out there.
And from the little I know about all the Robertsons, they're not about to be quiet about this.
I think Rush is right in that they certainly didn't agree to do the show because they needed the money. I think he's right in thinking that they are doing it to promote Christianity, family, love for others, and that this attack on their right to free speech may well give them an even bigger bully pulpit than they've had on A&E.
How is it his free speech was attacked? He spoke his peace, he had his say. No freedoms were attacked.
Seems to me he KNEW his EMPLOYERS *yes, because that's exactly what A&E is to him and his family* views on the subject and decided to go elsewhere to voice his opinions. Good for him.
But his employer has a right to do what they did too. No matter if anybody likes it or not. Don't like their decisions, don't watch the show. Don't buy the product. Just that simple.
For pete's sake, it's a TV show.
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How is it his free speech was attacked? He spoke his peace, he had his say. No freedoms were attacked.
Seems to me he KNEW his EMPLOYERS *yes, because that's exactly what A&E is to him and his family* views on the subject and decided to go elsewhere to voice his opinions. Good for him.
But his employer has a right to do what they did too. No matter if anybody likes it or not. Don't like their decisions, don't watch the show. Don't buy the product. Just that simple.
For pete's sake, it's a TV show.
I already acknowledged A&E's right to fire Robertson because they didn't like what he said.
You're missing the entire point.............whether deliberately or not, I don't know.
The point is that the homosexual militants and their allies on the left have made it impossible to simply express the view that homosexuality is a sin without being accused of hatred, or having negative repercussions.
And in doing so, they have cowed most of us who believe in marriage as God intended it, into silence.
Free speech is now a one way street, lambchop. We, as Christians, espousing traditional Scriptural views no longer have it.
Yes, it's "just a TV show." That, of course, is irrelevant to the core of the issue, which is the double standard that exists between the vile, hate-filled rhetoric allowed by the left against us, and the mere stating of an opinion in a colorful way, or just outright, that is denied those of us on the right.
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Free speech is now a one way street,
Bingo. Homophobic statements and lyrics are widely accepted by the left. Hell, Jay z is one of the worst
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,123727.0.html
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Bingo. Homophobic statements and lyrics are widely accepted by the left. Hell, Jay z is one of the worst
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,123727.0.html
I think this is going to ignite another Chick-Fil-A - type rebuttal. :laugh:
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Bingo. Homophobic statements and lyrics are widely accepted by the left. Hell, Jay z is one of the worst
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,123727.0.html
The thing is that what is quoted on your link IS "homophobic" and hate-filled.
What Phil Robertson said was not.
He stated his "sexual preference" in rather straightforward terms, but not vulgar............just anatomically correct.
The outright vulgarity and vileness of the words of the left is what's offensive.
But nary a peep from the PC crowd.
Unbelievable............. **nononono*
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I already acknowledged A&E's right to fire Robertson because they didn't like what he said.
You're missing the entire point.............whether deliberately or not, I don't know.
The point is that the homosexual militants and their allies on the left have made it impossible to simply express the view that homosexuality is a sin without being accused of hatred, or having negative repercussions.
And in doing so, they have cowed most of us who believe in marriage as God intended it, into silence.
Free speech is now a one way street, lambchop. We, as Christians, espousing traditional Scriptural views no longer have it.
Yes, it's "just a TV show." That, of course, is irrelevant to the core of the issue, which is the double standard that exists between the vile, hate-filled rhetoric allowed by the left against us, and the mere stating of an opinion in a colorful way, or just outright, that is denied those of us on the right.
Then you forget the Chick-fil-a guy who lost his job:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/tucson-exec-loses-job-over-anti-chick-fil-a-rant/article_f8cefeec-dcf5-11e1-8b88-001a4bcf887a.html
I just get so tired of the manufactured outrage when there are REAL issues. The "so-called" persecution and such.
Both the Chick-fil-a guy and Phil were fired for something they said that went against their employer. That's too bad for them.
But they made their choice, they said their peace.
Show me REAL Christian persecution in this country. Cause as far as I'm concerned, until we have to endure what Christians in the Middle East have to endure, we need to stop being so damned thin skinned and overly dramatic.
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I think this is going to ignite another Chick-Fil-A - type rebuttal. :laugh:
You know, I've resisted it because I'm kind of a city/suburban type lady, but I might just get down to Walmart and buy me a DD shirt. :laugh:
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The thing is that what is quoted on your link IS "homophobic" and hate-filled.
What Phil Robertson said was not.
He stated his "sexual preference" in rather straightforward terms, but not vulgar............just anatomically correct.
The outright vulgarity and vileness of the words of the left is what's offensive.
But nary a peep from the PC crowd.
Unbelievable............. **nononono*
I completely agree. Just using 'their' language to prove a point. Robertson was just expressing his sexual orientation.
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Then you forget the Chick-fil-a guy who lost his job:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/tucson-exec-loses-job-over-anti-chick-fil-a-rant/article_f8cefeec-dcf5-11e1-8b88-001a4bcf887a.html
I just get so tired of the manufactured outrage when there are REAL issues. The "so-called" persecution and such.
Both the Chick-fil-a guy and Phil were fired for something they said that went against their employer. That's too bad for them.
But they made their choice, they said their peace.
Show me REAL Christian persecution in this country. Cause as far as I'm concerned, until we have to endure what Christians in the Middle East have to endure, we need to stop being so damned thin skinned and overly dramatic.
Some of us prefer to stop the snowball that's rolling down hill rapidly BEFORE it gets to the point where there is outright persecution.
NO ONE is whining or being "damned thin skinned" here.
And NO ONE is being "overly dramatic."
There is a very, very real, tangible attempt by the left to silence Biblical views, and if you don't see it then you'd better open your eyes.
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I completely agree. Just using 'their' language to prove a point. Robertson was just expressing his sexual orientation.
Which is, I believe, Constitutionally protected, right??
Being fired for being heterosexual and saying so??
According to the LEFT, A&E doesn't have the right to do that......
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Some of us prefer to stop the snowball that's rolling down hill rapidly BEFORE it gets to the point where there is outright persecution.
NO ONE is whining or being "damned thin skinned" here.
And NO ONE is being "overly dramatic."
There is a very, very real, tangible attempt by the left to silence Biblical views, and if you don't see it then you'd better open your eyes.
OK, then answer this. Why is it whenever there is a Duck Dynasty kerfuffle there seems to be a new Duck Dynasty product on the shelves?
This is sheep herding. And I see just fine thank you.
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Show me REAL Christian persecution in this country. Cause as far as I'm concerned, until we have to endure what Christians in the Middle East have to endure, we need to stop being so damned thin skinned and overly dramatic.
Yeah sure, keeping your mouth shut *until* you are REALLY persecuted seems like the quickest way to get there...
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You know, I've resisted it because I'm kind of a city/suburban type lady, but I might just get down to Walmart and buy me a DD shirt. :laugh:
My point being made right there.
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OK, then answer this. Why is it whenever there is a Duck Dynasty kerfuffle there seems to be a new Duck Dynasty product on the shelves?
If you say so (although some evidentiary support would be nice). That's capitalism for you, I guess.
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My point being made right there.
LOL!
That was HUMOR, lambchop.
The left has none, but WE do.
Remember??
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OK, then answer this. Why is it whenever there is a Duck Dynasty kerfuffle there seems to be a new Duck Dynasty product on the shelves?
This is sheep herding. And I see just fine thank you.
Are we just a tad jealous of successful people? ^-^
But seriously...........you continue to miss the point, and now I know it's deliberate.
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If you say so (although some evidentiary support would be nice). That's capitalism for you, I guess.
Pretty cool how they coordinate all of the creative, developmental, acquisition and distribution logistics to match up with the 'kerfluffles'...
/s
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LOL!
That was HUMOR, lambchop.
The left has none, but WE do.
Remember??
I understand ML. But wasn't it just a few weeks ago there was a kerfuffle about DD, then within the week the DD Chia heads were on the shelf at Walgreens. Just saying.
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Exactly!
Rush mentioned something interesting........that there may be a possibility that Americans have reached a tipping point, and that this might serve as a catalyst. The majority are sick of being pushed around by a tiny minority.
The lack of free speech we Christians have because of the militant, hate-filled minority is appalling.
I'll be watching to see what Phil and his family do as a result of this absurdity.
I said something similar earlier this morning on the other thread about this (In the entertainment section).. that you can only poke a hornets nest so many times before they go on the attack..... I do think Americans have reached the tipping point....... I think it is great Glenn Beck has offered them their own program on The Blaze - if they want it.
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If you say so (although some evidentiary support would be nice). That's capitalism for you, I guess.
There has been a continued growth of DD merchandise throughout the Christmas season.
I suppose that's because the Robertson family are savvy capitalists, who have made a fortune selling things that quack.
No surprise that they've capitalized on their success (pun intended).
Seems to be that some are offended by profit and success, eh?
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I understand ML. But wasn't it just a few weeks ago there was a kerfuffle about DD, then within the week the DD Chia heads were on the shelf at Walgreens. Just saying.
Your anecdotal observations, given your (observed) offense at the Robertsons, does not support any factual argument that make your point.
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My point being made right there.
Yes, but what - exactly - is wrong with that? It's is why we conservatives espouse a Free Market economy. Same as why I think the eleven year old girl in Oregon is to be applauded for growing a business at her tender age.
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I said something similar earlier this morning on the other thread about this (In the entertainment section).. that you can only poke a hornets nest so many times before they go on the attack..... I do think Americans have reached the tipping point....... I think it is great Glenn Beck has offered them their own program on The Blaze - if they want it.
I heard him offer that, but I hope they don't go there.
I think that they should stay on a non-political network..........one that's smart enough to know a good thing when they have it, and not throw it away with nonsense like this.
But I do agree that America may well be ready to throw off these leftist, anti-Christian speech shackles.
And I think that God may just be using Phil Robertson to help that to happen.
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Which is, I believe, Constitutionally protected, right??
Being fired for being heterosexual and saying so??
According to the LEFT, A&E doesn't have the right to do that......
I like the way Wilkow said it on his radio show this morning... Robertson was fired for saying what most red-blooded men in this country believe they prefer to have sex with a woman than a man.
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Are we just a tad jealous of successful people? ^-^
But seriously...........you continue to miss the point, and now I know it's deliberate.
Why is it I'm jealous of successful people? Because I don't buy into the "Phil is a persecuted Christian" line?
Duck Dynasty is a business. Yes, these are good people who try to live a good life that it is based on, but in the end it is A BUSINESS.
And the masses are being herded like sheep. DD Star says "quote of the week" out comes a DD sippy cup. DD Star says "quote of this week" out comes t-shirts and jammies. DD stars refuse to *what ever the topic is this time* and out comes Chia heads.
For crying out loud.... how about the fact that millions are out of work, children are getting crappy education, domestic violence is still rampant, alcohol and drug abuse is killing our youth, our politicians are selling ours and our children's future to the highest bidder and living in luxury while doing so.... UGH I could go on and on.
But hey.... Poor Phil...so let's all go buy some more of the crap made in China that has the DD logo on it.
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I like the way Wilkow said it on his radio show this morning... Robertson was fired for saying what most red-blooded men in this country believe they prefer to have sex with a woman than a man.
Exactly right.
We're being dominated and controlled by less than TWO PERCENT of the population.
So much so that a re-blooded man can't even say that he prefers to have sex with women and not men.
They've been working at this for thirty years, and they're not done yet.
We have GOT to fight back.
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Why is it I'm jealous of successful people? Because I don't buy into the "Phil is a persecuted Christian" line?
Duck Dynasty is a business. Yes, these are good people who try to live a good life that it is based on, but in the end it is A BUSINESS.
And the masses are being herded like sheep. DD Star says "quote of the week" out comes a DD sippy cup. DD Star says "quote of this week" out comes t-shirts and jammies. DD stars refuse to *what ever the topic is this time* and out comes Chia heads.
For crying out loud.... how about the fact that millions are out of work, children are getting crappy education, domestic violence is still rampant, alcohol and drug abuse is killing our youth, our politicians are selling ours and our children's future to the highest bidder and living in luxury while doing so.... UGH I could go on and on.
But hey.... Poor Phil...so let's all go buy some more of the crap made in China that has the DD logo on it.
I'm sorry, but that's one of the most illogical postings I've seen on this forum.
And again, entirely beside the point.....
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While I may NOT agree with you totally...
How you present your argument and POV.....Luv ya, Lambchop! :beer:
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I'm sorry, but that's one of the most illogical postings I've seen on this forum.
And again, entirely beside the point.....
Why is it impossible that Phil Robertson is simply following Obama's creed....."never let a good crisis go to waste"?
It's the epitome of make lemonade from lemons.
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While I may NOT agree with you totally...
How you present your argument and POV.....Luv ya, Lambchop! :beer:
Thanks DC.
While many of us may agree with what he said. Doesn't mean he's being persecuted. And there are WAY bigger fish to fry.
Besides, I'm sure Ms Kay is making what ever hurt feelings he has go away, quickly.
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Why is it impossible that Phil Robertson is simply following Obama's creed....."never let a good crisis go to waste"?
It's the epitome of make lemonade from lemons.
Their merchandise was being sold before this kerfuffle - I was in Walmart last weekend and every aisle has DD products - however DD is the A&E brand..... Duck Commander is the Robertson's and they were selling Duck Commander long............ long before there was a Duck Dynasty program on A&E.
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Free speech is now a one way street, lambchop.
Yet you are speaking, and Robertson is speaking.
Maybe Robertson needs to be employed by an employer who agrees with his positions.
Question? Does anybody think Robertson was surprised by the reaction to his remarks?
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Their merchandise was being sold before this kerfuffle - I was in Walmart last weekend and every aisle has DD products - however DD is the A&E brand..... Duck Commander is the Robertson's and they were selling Duck Commander long............ long before there was a Duck Dynasty program on A&E.
I understand..... was referring to the expansion of said product lines that seemed to arrive shortly after a public controversy.
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Why is it impossible that Phil Robertson is simply following Obama's creed....."never let a good crisis go to waste"?
It's the epitome of make lemonade from lemons.
It's entirely speculation, and entirely beside the point.
I think Phil is a savvy guy who uses his new found fame to promote Christian values (and his own traditional views).
I don't think his firing is "persecution" specifically, but it speaks to the larger point that Christians are being silenced, and very specifically told not to voice the opinion that homosexuality is a sin.
This is problematic, DC, and certainly not something to be scoffed at.
The silencing of Christian voices in the marketplace is something that needs to be countered, and this may be an opportune time for us to be more open about it.
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Thanks DC.
While many of us may agree with what he said. Doesn't mean he's being persecuted. And there are WAY bigger fish to fry.
Besides, I'm sure Ms Kay is making what ever hurt feelings he has go away, quickly.
Absolutely....and regarding Ms Kay?
HOORAH! :laugh:
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LoaH, I am not sure where you shop but I saw a variety of DD merchandise (shirts, towels, throw pillows, even the Chia things [Walgreen]) on sale at various places weeks before this latest kerfuffle. The ubiquity of the stuff is far more related to exploiting Christmas than to the homos and that raises a separate issue when it comes to the Robertson's public religiosity.
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Yet you are speaking, and Robertson is speaking.
Maybe Robertson needs to be employed by an employer who agrees with his positions.
Question? Does anybody think Robertson was surprised by the reaction to his remarks?
Robertson spoke and was not only fired, but accused of hate by everyone on the left. His firing is NOT the main issue.
And yes, we can speak against sin and homosexuality, but we will continue to be accused of hatred.
That is intimidation.
And it is NOT American.
So whether or not you are a Christian, ts, you should be disturbed by the overt attempt to shut Christians up because you are an American.
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LoaH, I am not sure where you shop but I saw a variety of DD merchandise (shirts, towels, throw pillows, even the Chia things [Walgreen]) on sale at various places weeks before this latest kerfuffle. The ubiquity of the stuff is far more related to exploiting Christmas than to the homos and that raises a separate issue when it comes to the Robertson's public religiosity.
Oh surely not...
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Your anecdotal observations, given your (observed) offense at the Robertsons, does not support any factual argument that make your point.
You ever stop to think I'm offended that this family uses "religious persecution" as their marketing tool?
Seeing as every time there's a story it's about their religion. And with every story there's a new product.
But yeah, go ahead and make ME out to be the bad guy.
My God and My Christ aren't for sale. Is yours?
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It's entirely speculation, and entirely beside the point.
I think Phil is a savvy guy who uses his new found fame to promote Christian values (and his own traditional views).
I don't think his firing is "persecution" specifically, but it speaks to the larger point that Christians are being silenced, and very specifically told not to voice the opinion that homosexuality is a sin.
This is problematic, DC, and certainly not something to be scoffed at.
The silencing of Christian voices in the marketplace is something that needs to be countered, and this may be an opportune time for us to be more open about it.
I'm not scoffing at anything...sorry it appears that way.
Let's all be glad that DD has enough social presence that it provides an opportunity to bite back against the godless Left.
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Thanks DC.
While many of us may agree with what he said. Doesn't mean he's being persecuted. And there are WAY bigger fish to fry.
Besides, I'm sure Ms Kay is making what ever hurt feelings he has go away, quickly.
Who exactly, besides you, used the word "persecution" to describe what has happened in this situation?
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Robertson spoke and was not only fired, but accused of hate by everyone on the left. His firing is NOT the main issue.
And yes, we can speak against sin and homosexuality, but we will continue to be accused of hatred.
That is intimidation.
And it is NOT American.
So whether or not you are a Christian, ts, you should be disturbed by the overt attempt to shut Christians up because you are an American.
This is what he said that caused all the angst......... I imagine quite a few people weighing in on this didn't even bother to READ what he said and are giving knee-jerk comments because gasp..... Robertsons are Christians......
“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”
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You ever stop to think I'm offended that this family uses "religious persecution" as their marketing tool?
Seeing as every time there's a story it's about their religion. And with every story there's a new product.
But yeah, go ahead and make ME out to be the bad guy.
My God and My Christ aren't for sale. Is yours?
More speculation based on your own bias against them.
Again..............I've never used the word "persecution" to describe any of this, so lay off the hyperbolic rhetoric, OK??
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Who exactly, besides you, used the word "persecution" to describe what has happened in this situation?
I'd say that being fired for a religious comment could be construed as 'persecution'....but you're right, nobody has used it on the thread.
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Yet you are speaking, and Robertson is speaking.
Maybe Robertson needs to be employed by an employer who agrees with his positions.
Question? Does anybody think Robertson was surprised by the reaction to his remarks?
Actually, I was thinking maybe Phil wanted a little vacation so provoked the response he got. LOL Networks are so predictable.
I don't think he'll be gone for long. He's a handsome man for us older woman to gander at. :silly:
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LoaH, I am not sure where you shop but I saw a variety of DD merchandise (shirts, towels, throw pillows, even the Chia things [Walgreen]) on sale at various places weeks before this latest kerfuffle. The ubiquity of the stuff is far more related to exploiting Christmas than to the homos and that raises a separate issue when it comes to the Robertson's public religiosity.
Actually, the show was a roaring success before they started talking about their Christianity.
Apart from the prayer at the end, and the recent Christmas special, it's more about redneck 'values' than Christianity.
And A&E, as I understand it, is who has done the marketing.
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It's entirely speculation, and entirely beside the point.
I think Phil is a savvy guy who uses his new found fame to promote Christian values (and his own traditional views).
I don't think his firing is "persecution" specifically, but it speaks to the larger point that Christians are being silenced, and very specifically told not to voice the opinion that homosexuality is a sin.
This is problematic, DC, and certainly not something to be scoffed at.
The silencing of Christian voices in the marketplace is something that needs to be countered, and this may be an opportune time for us to be more open about it.
:amen: There have been too many Christians backing down when confronted by the mob. I recall Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell even backing down, among others. Christians might complain, but allow themselves to be intimidated and apologize, and for what? Stating their beliefs is part and parcel with their religion. Until the communist liberals got a foothold, even democrats showed their religious side. Now, they cower, and sell their souls to the devil to keep their positions of power. That is the same with the media, and anyone who are afraid to speak out.
It's long past time someone so popular came out about his religion without shame nor apology. Phil is following his heart, not his pocketbook, and if he has both, more power to the God loving man!
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More speculation based on your own bias against them.
Again..............I've never used the word "persecution" to describe any of this, so lay off the hyperbolic rhetoric, OK??
You presume a whole lot ML. And I have no bias against them. I watch the show. *not every week, but often*
You seem to like to push people around when they don't agree with you, don't you.
You've called me a few things over the last posts. Insinuated other not so nice things over the last posts.
Maybe it's you who needs to lay off.
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I'd say that being fired for a religious comment could be construed as 'persecution'....but you're right, nobody has used it on the thread.
I know enough about persecution to know that being fired for telling the truth about homosexuality is not even CLOSE to persecution.
The use of the word, IMO, was to accuse and not to further the discussion.
At least that's the way it seems, since it kept being used against us, and not as an accurate description of what was being said.
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You presume a whole lot ML. And I have no bias against them. I watch the show. *not every week, but often*
You seem to like to push people around when they don't agree with you, don't you.
You've called me a few things over the last posts. Insinuated other not so nice things over the last posts.
Maybe it's you who needs to lay off.
OK.
But for the record, I don't even remotely like to "push people around" when they don't agree with me.
So, I guess you've gotten even for my "assumptions" about you with a few of your own......
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And A&E, as I understand it, is who has done the marketing.
Point taken, ML.
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It's long past time someone so popular came out about his religion without shame nor apology. Phil is following his heart, not his pocketbook, and if he has both, more power to the God loving man!
IIRC, even Christ himself wasn't 'good enough' for those who hated the truth...
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:amen: There have been too many Christians backing down when confronted by the mob. I recall Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell even backing down, among others. Christians might complain, but allow themselves to be intimidated and apologize, and for what? Stating their beliefs is part and parcel with their religion. Until the communist liberals got a foothold, even democrats showed their religious side. Now, they cower, and sell their souls to the devil to keep their positions of power. That is the same with the media, and anyone who are afraid to speak out.
It's long past time someone so popular came out about his religion without shame nor apology. Phil is following his heart, not his pocketbook, and if he has both, more power to the God loving man!
I've had this discussion with a number of other Christians who have shared the same frustrations.
We have been intimidated to the point where most people are afraid...........AFRAID...........to state that they simply believe marriage is between a man and a woman, because of the reprisals that most likely will come from the left.
This is a very, very real problem.
And diminishing it is a very, very real mistake.
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Who exactly, besides you, used the word "persecution" to describe what has happened in this situation?
OK. I guess I need to ask YOUR permission on the words I use.
So ML, which ONE word would you use to describe what YOU think happened to Phil?
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OK.
But for the record, I don't even remotely like to "push people around" when they don't agree with me.
So, I guess you've gotten even for my "assumptions" about you with a few of your own......
REALLY???? You've called me jealous. You questioned my faith. You've questioned my intelligence.
you're right... telling you you're being pushy is even steven with those stated above. :chairbang:
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OK. I guess I need to ask YOUR permission on the words I use.
So ML, which ONE word would you use to describe what YOU think happened to Phil?
NOT persecution.
And your biting sarcasm aside..........you used the word to describe what WE were saying, and therefore it was inaccurate.
If you feel like what happened to Phil was persecution, so be it. Feel free to say it all you want.
I don't think it was.
And never said I did.
My comments were about the overall attempts to silence Christians, specifically regarding the Biblical belief that homosexuality is a sin.
And you have not once engaged in a discussion on that point.
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per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSHən/
noun
noun: persecution; plural noun: persecutions
1.
hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
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REALLY???? You've called me jealous. You questioned my faith. You've questioned my intelligence.
you're right... telling you you're being pushy is even steven with those stated above. :chairbang:
Take a walk. Get some fresh air. Calm down.
(There...........NOW I'm being pushy).
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per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSHən/
noun
noun: persecution; plural noun: persecutions
1.
hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
Eh.................borderline at best.
Phil was an employee. AE had the right.
Stupid, yes. Persecution, not really.......
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I love this place! :beer:
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Eh.................borderline at best.
Phil was an employee. AE had the right.
Stupid, yes. Persecution, not really.......
I understand that according to Phil, the producers beeped out words that didn't need to be stricken. Omitting parts of bible verses, etc..
Persecution?
As Robert DiNiro said...."Yeah, a little bit! A little bit!" :laugh:
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I understand that according to Phil, the producers beeped out words that didn't need to be stricken. Omitting parts of bible verses, etc..
Persecution?
As Robert DiNiro said...."Yeah, a little bit! A little bit!" :laugh:
I read that the producers inserted the beeps to make it appear the characters were using profanity, which they weren't. :shrug: I've never watched it, so I don't know.
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NOT persecution.
And your biting sarcasm aside..........you used the word to describe what WE were saying, and therefore it was inaccurate.
If you feel like what happened to Phil was persecution, so be it. Feel free to say it all you want.
I don't think it was.
And never said I did.
My comments were about the overall attempts to silence Christians, specifically regarding the Biblical belief that homosexuality is a sin.
And you have not once engaged in a discussion on that point.
Well, no. Because the thread was about DD and Phil being fired for his remarks. And my comments were about how it seems like every time DD has a dust up, there's more product to sell. And maybe, just maybe it's tied to one another.
And as a Christian woman I would think you would be a little upset at the fact that Christians and their faith is being used as a marketing tool. But then again if the Duck Dynasty people don't have a problem with it, why should you?
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I read that the producers inserted the beeps to make it appear the characters were using profanity, which they weren't. :shrug: I've never watched it, so I don't know.
I don't remember seeing (or hearing) any bleeps, but I haven't seen every episode.
But if you like a nice, calm, cute humor, and family warmth kinda viewing you should check it out at least once.
They're goofy, fun and silly.
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And yes, we can speak against sin and homosexuality, but we will continue to be accused of hatred.
That is intimidation.
And it is NOT American.
No, it is the discussion. What you are claiming is for the discussion to be only one sided. For Christians to be able to condemn homosexuals, and to not get a negative response.
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No, it is the discussion. What you are claiming is for the discussion to be only one sided. For Christians to be able to condemn homosexuals, and to not get a negative response.
What's being "condemned" is homosexual behavior, not homosexuals.
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I don't remember seeing (or hearing) any bleeps, but I haven't seen every episode.
But if you like a nice, calm, cute humor, and family warmth kinda viewing you should check it out at least once.
They're goofy, fun and silly.
I love the trailer where the guy says...."Give me a thousand and you can take them (baby goats) with you now!"
One of the stars says, "I ain't putting any goats in my $70K Escalade!"
his wife says, "I WANT THE GOATS!"
Star looks sheepishly at the ground as the camera go to a close-up of the baby goat. LOL!
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I don't think his firing is "persecution" specifically, but it speaks to the larger point that Christians are being silenced, and very specifically told not to voice the opinion that homosexuality is a sin.
Christians have buildings all long the street. They own huge television networks.
That is a long, long way from "silenced," "persecuted," etc.
You just won't settle for less than the power to make controversial claims to the public, and get no opposition.
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REALLY???? You've called me jealous. You questioned my faith. You've questioned my intelligence.
you're right... telling you you're being pushy is even steven with those stated above. :chairbang:
I'm backing up to this post, LambChop, and I went back to re-read what I've said to you, and see if anything I said even remotely questioned your faith or intelligence.
Nothing did.
I neither thought nor wrote anything that questioned either.
But nonetheless, I apologize for offending you so deeply, and will try not to do so again.
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Christians have buildings all long the street. They own huge television networks.
That is a long, long way from "silenced," "persecuted," etc.
You just won't settle for less than the power to make controversial claims to the public, and get no opposition.
Oh,....... but THIS (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,123728.0.html) is just fine.........
Let someone make even an innocent statement here about Mormon's and you are all over them like flys on honey....... but when it comes to Christians that is an entirely different bag of worms../s
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No, it is the discussion. What you are claiming is for the discussion to be only one sided. For Christians to be able to condemn homosexuals, and to not get a negative response.
Not even close.
I have not once said that the pro-homosexual activists don't have the right to speak. They do.
But they are not the people who are being silenced, or intimidated into silence.
We Christians are.
(And, no one is "condemning" homosexuals. They are sinners, just like the rest of us. But their behavior IS sin, and we DO have the right to state our beliefs on this issue without being screamed at as haters).
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Christians have buildings all long the street. They own huge television networks.
That is a long, long way from "silenced," "persecuted," etc.
You just won't settle for less than the power to make controversial claims to the public, and get no opposition.
Poppycock.
Billy Graham and Franklin Graham got audited by the IRS for standing in favor of Biblical marriage in North Carolina.
What do you call that, if not an attempt to silence them??
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http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/gay-cnn-anchor-defends-duck-dynasty-star-i-dont-think-he-should-be-fired/
Gay CNN anchor defends ‘Duck Dynasty’ star: ‘I don’t think he should be fired’
Posted By Brendan Bordelon On 10:45 AM 12/19/2013
“Duck Dynasty’s” Phil Robertson got an unlikely boost Wednesday when CNN anchor Don Lemon — who is gay — told Piers Morgan he disagrees with Robertson’s “indefinite suspension” from the A&E television network over his anti-gay remarks.
An outraged Morgan repeatedly slammed Robertson and his corporate affiliates in the strongest terms, clearly hoping Lemon would jump on the bandwagon. But the CNN anchor took a more measured view:
MORGAN: Final question to you, Don. Should he be allowed back? Should he just be fired from the show for this? And what is the corporate, responsible reaction from Wal-Mart, who sells so much “Duck Dynasty” products?
LEMON: Listen, I always err on the side of free speech. Just because I’m offended — as I said, people can say whatever they want to say. I don’t think people should be fired. I think the marketplace should decide. If people don’t like “Duck Dynasty,” they shouldn’t watch “Duck Dynasty.” But listen, as someone who comes from Louisiana, grew up there, was born there, in the place where they actually shoot the story — and listen, I’m not saying this is anything people don’t know about Louisiana, about the South and about America — it is a place where many people still feel and think the way he thinks. So, I personally, if you’re asking me my personal opinion, I don’t think he should be fired. I think people should be allowed to say what they want, and if they hang themselves, they hang themselves.
Morgan responded that he “won’t be as kind” as Lemon, claiming Robertson’s comments were “absolutely repulsive” and calling for his firing.
[h/t Josh Feldman]
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For Christians to be able to condemn homosexuals, and to not get a negative response.
I don't believe that is the central issue. It isn't the unwillingness to accept "a negative response", but rather that Phil was suspended for expressing an opinion. It ought also be noted that his suspension resulted from pressure by people who demand tolerance when it comes to themselves.
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What's being "condemned" is homosexual behavior, not homosexuals.
That distinction is only recognized by those doing the condemning.
Dogs do doglike behavior. Muslims do muslimlike behavior. Asians do asianlike behavior.
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That distinction is only recognized by those doing the condemning.
Not so. To condemn homosexual behavior is to condemn sin.............and ourselves, as sinners.
Christians understand that ALL our hearts are dark, and that we are ALL guilty of sin, and that, but for the GRACE of God, through Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross, we would be without hope.
The distinction is very real. It is the behavior that is the problem, not the inclination toward it.
Because all of our hearts are inclined to sin.
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I don't believe that is the central issue. It isn't the unwillingness to accept "a negative response", but rather that Phil was suspended for expressing an opinion. It ought also be noted that his suspension resulted from pressure by people who demand tolerance when it comes to themselves.
Phils comments are being condemned by those who don't watch the show. The reason the show is so popular is because they combine their religious beliefs with their every day lives. If they have to censor themselves, then the show will die on its own. A&E wants to pick what is biblically acceptable, and Christianity doesn't work that way.
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per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSHən/
noun
noun: persecution; plural noun: persecutions
1.
hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
That definition is essentially correct.
But the question remains: was Mr. Robertson persecuted by A&E, or by others acting influentially upon them?
"Persecution" is what groups and governments do, under color of law. But as offensive as it might be to see a man condemned for expressing the moral teachings of his own faith, that's not what resulted in his firing.
I will stipulate this: Christians today are in fact under a sustained cultural assault for their beliefs, most directly at the hands of loud, politically-powerful minorities, and even worse: sometimes with the tacit approval of government authorities.
But as a matter of law, the question is a different one.
The fact is that Mr. Robertson was an employee under contract with A&E and subject to its employment standards, as expressed explicitly in the contract and also, as a matter of law. It is common in such situations that the employer has a presumption in its favor, as regards violations of a contractual agreement by an employee. The reason is that the primary benefit of the relationship flows to the employee, in the form of financial remuneration which would not be available but for the willingness of the employer to offer it, even if the employer benefits, as in this case by increased sales of its products and services resulting from the efforts of the employee.
One can fire an employee for any reason except for an explicitly illegal one (e.g. - provable discrimination against a person as a member of a protected group or the refusal of an employee to engage in illegal activities as a further condition of employment).
Absent such considerations, it is difficult to conclude that Mr. Robertson was discriminated against in this case, much less "persecuted", as Christians are not a protected class, nor is it clear that outside pressure was applied in such a manner and to such an extent as to force the employer to involuntarily terminate their contract.
What is legal, and what is right and just do not always coincide. But often, justice has a way of correcting the flaws in legal remedies. A&E stands to lose huge revenues for succumbing to its perception of political correctness - and in this case, perhaps it should. Okay, forget the "perhaps": it should.
But that result still does not mean that Mr. Robertson was "persecuted" for expressing his views - only that he fell victim to a behavioral standard implied by his employer, and fully within their power to determine.
Personally, I think A&E was crazy and foolish to give in to a tiny minority with an outsized voice, and to abandon a far, FAR larger base of paying consumers. But it's not illegal to be crazy and foolish unless you inflict harm on someone else. Abrogating a contract for reasons expressed within its own terms does not rise to that standard - no matter how obnoxious the result.
At least for now. As I said, justice - real justice - has a way of catching up in the end. I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim emerge especially triumphant in this case. Would you?
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A reminder of Phil Robertson's response to being fired. No apology, but this statement......
"I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together. However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other."
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That distinction is only recognized by those doing the condemning.
Dogs do doglike behavior. Muslims do muslimlike behavior. Asians do asianlike behavior.
WTH.
"Asianlike"?
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Absent such considerations, it is difficult to conclude that Mr. Robertson was discriminated against in this case, much less "persecuted", as Christians are not a protected class, nor is it clear that outside pressure was applied in such a manner and to such an extent as to force the employer to involuntarily terminate their contract.
What is legal, and what is right and just do not always coincide. But often, justice has a way of correcting the flaws in legal remedies. A&E stands to lose huge revenues for succumbing to its perception of political correctness - and in this case, perhaps it should. Okay, forget the "perhaps": it should.
Okay - but how can A&E deem this offensive:
“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”
and not find this offensive (even more offensive) - especially since as this states they mischaracterized what Robertson said.
An openly gay couple on A&E's "Storage Wars: New York" is NOT offended by the homophobic comments made by fellow A&E'er and "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson -- telling TMZ, they just feel bad for him ... because man ass beats vagina any day of the week.
Chris Morelli and Tad Eaton tell us, "We could give a s**t what he thinks ... [man ass] is tighter."
As we reported, Phil talked about how a vagina is more desirable than a man's anus, and how homosexuality and bestiality are the same sin.
By the way, because they are tolerant grown-ups, Morelli and Eaton are not offended. They did however mischaracterize what Robertson said.
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The comments from the homosexual couple on Storage Wars qualifies, for me, as TMI............ **nononono*
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The comments from the homosexual couple on Storage Wars qualifies, for me, as TMI............ **nononono*
Yet they keep their jobs.
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Yet they keep their jobs.
And some say there's no double standard??
Oy.......
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Late to the party on this one but jumping in here anyway!
1. I agree with EVERY WORD Phil Robertson said!
2. Merry CHRISTMAS to all!
Anyone who doesn't like either of those can put me on ignore RIGHT NOW!
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Late to the party on this one but jumping in here anyway!
1. I agree with EVERY WORD Phil Robertson said!
2. Merry CHRISTMAS to all!
Anyone who doest leik either of those can put me on ignore RIGHT NOW!
Pretty sure we all agree with what Phil Robertson said. It's not the issue.
It's the treatment he's getting for voicing it.
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What's being "condemned" is homosexual behavior, not homosexuals.
Sorry ma'am. This whole "love the sinner, hate the sin", "focus on the problem, not the person" is bull dinkies. Let them go back into the closet, I don't want to listen to lisps. I want the wholesome, "Wizard of Oz" back in our hands. Give them Cesar Romero! I want Judy Garland back in our column.
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Sorry ma'am. This whole "love the sinner, hate the sin", "focus on the problem, not the person" is bull dinkies. Let them go back into the closet, I don't want to listen to lisps. I want the wholesome, "Wizard of Oz" back in our hands. Give them Cesar Romero! I want Judy Garland back in our column.
Sorry dude. The whole "insisting it's condemnation" ploy is simply designed to silence all dissent against destructive behaviors (aka 'sin').
Might as well cry 'racism' while you're at it...
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I don't think it was his comments about homosexuality that got him canned as much as it was his comments about his deep belief in Christ.
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I don't think it was his comments about homosexuality that got him canned as much as it was his comments about his deep belief in Christ.
GOOD observation.
It is Christ who is the enemy of the Enemy.
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Late to the party on this one but jumping in here anyway!
1. I agree with EVERY WORD Phil Robertson said!
2. Merry CHRISTMAS to all!
Anyone who doesn't like either of those can put me on ignore RIGHT NOW!
Hey, Bigun!
Merry Christmas to you, too!
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Sorry dude. The whole "insisting it's condemnation" ploy is simply designed to silence all dissent against destructive behaviors (aka 'sin').
Might as well cry 'racism' while you're at it...
You may have misunderstood my comment. I'm not for silencing dissent. I'm enjoy dissent.
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@CaptYonah 2h
Dear Mr. Robertson, we're so offended by your comments that we're running a marathon of your show tonight. Love, @AETV
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What a strong, grounded family. They are being tested, and are a testament to their faith. I hope I can be as strong when the time comes.
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What a strong, grounded family. They are being tested, and are a testament to their faith. I hope I can be as strong when the time comes.
Did you just watch that guy from GLAAD on The Kelly File??? what a whiny @$$.
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Did you just watch that guy from GLAAD on The Kelly File??? what a whiny @$$.
No! I was at my granddaughter's basketball game, and didn't bother to change channels. I don't mind being around homosexuals, except for the tu-tu types that don't appear to have either gender.
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No! I was at my granddaughter's basketball game, and didn't bother to change channels. I don't mind being around homosexuals, except for the tu-tu types that don't appear to have either gender.
My uncle is gay and has been in the same relationship for 40 years. That said he doesn't go out waiving a rainbow flag and marching in parades. I think all sex is for the bedroom - not the public - and the more they try to shove this down our throats the more it offends me when in the past I didn't give much of a damn one way or the other.. The way they went after people who contributed to Prop 8 in CA - even getting them fired by picketing their places of employment only served to make me angry...... Tony Perkins was on after this GLAAD guy and pointed out that for all their feigning their absolute outrage at DD repeating passages from the bible the same organization gave Dan Savage - one of the most vile people walking this earth - a big award recently.
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My favorite cousin is a lesbian, and is the same way as your uncle. She has a doctorate, has written two books, and no one would know she is gay, except she has a girlfriend of many years. She neither hides it, nor flaunts it.
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Ha! Ha!
Robertson Publicly Preached About Homosexuality in 2010, A&E Hired Him Anyway
In 2010, Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson publicly explained his position on homosexuality in a sermon he preached at the Berean Bible Church in Pennsylvania. In the segment of the sermon posted by TMZ, he stated:
First they say there is no God. Get Him out of your mind. Then they say bow down to bird, animals, and reptiles, and each other. And the first thing you see coming out of them is gross sexual immorality. They will dishonor their bodies with one another, degrade each other. Is that going on in the United States of America? Look around…Boy is there some immorality going on around here.
He continued, citing Romans 1:26:
Therefore because they do not make it worthwhile to maintain the balance with God, He gave them over to shameful lusts. Women exchanged natural relations and were inflamed with lust for one another. And the men were inflamed with lust for each other. Women with women, men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They were full of murder, envy, strife and hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways to do evil.
He stated, “That’s what you have 235 roughly after your forefathers founded the country. So what are you going to do, Pennsylvania? Just run with them? You’re going to die.”
Robertson’s position on homosexuality has never changed, nor has it been a secret. It may shock some, but it is also well within the tradition of fundamentalist Christian preaching on the subject. The fact that A&E suddenly acts surprised when Robertson says things he’s been saying for years is just more evidence that Robertson’s suspension is a knee-jerk, disingenuous attempt to avoid the slings and arrows of the politically correct.
Ben Shapiro
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/12/19/Robertson-spoke-homosexuality-2010?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/12/19/Robertson-spoke-homosexuality-2010?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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Bobby Jindal on with Kelly right now.......
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Bobby Jindal on with Kelly right now.......
Kelly needs to go to MSNBC or CNN. She is so pro-queer it's disgusting.
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Kelly needs to go to MSNBC or CNN. She is so pro-queer it's disgusting.
Perhaps she's just being purposefully provocative.
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Perhaps she's just being purposefully provocative.
When she was on Leno last week she said she doesn't take one side or the other, she tries to walk right down the middle and let her audience decide what they thing of things her guests say.
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When she was on Leno last week she said she doesn't take one side or the other, she tries to walk right down the middle and let her audience decide what they thing of things her guests say.
She had 2 pro-queer people along with a guy from GLAAD, and only one person supporting DD. She tried to trap Jindal but he wasn't going to fall for it.
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She had 2 pro-queer people along with a guy from GLAAD, and only one person supporting DD. She tried to trap Jindal but he wasn't going to fall for it.
I'm sorry but I just didn't see what you are describing at all.
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I'm sorry but I just didn't see what you are describing at all.
There was a GLAAD person on early in the show. Then when she had the 3 people at the table, only one defended Phil. IIRC, he was from the FRC.
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You may have misunderstood my comment. I'm not for silencing dissent. I'm enjoy dissent.
I understand that you thrive on dissent regardless.
You appear not to understand the effect of your comment...
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I understand that you thrive on dissent regardless.
You appear not to understand the effect of your comment...
I am not understanding then. I meant what I said as a direct positive toward the Robertson family. There was no double meaning in what I said.