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Title: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 18, 2014, 06:11:19 pm
http://washingtonexaminer.com/lamar-alexander-crushing-tea-party-foe-leads-7-1-among-key-conservatives/article/2543902

Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives

By Paul Bedard  | FEBRUARY 12, 2014 AT 3:49 PM

They did it in Utah, Texas, Kentucky, Delaware, and Indiana but the Tea Party isn't taking over the Republican Party in Tennessee, and it isn't going to beat longtime Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander, no matter how much anti-establishment bravado it gins up.

And his lead over primary opponent and Tea Party fave Joe Carr isn't by an “edge,” as Politico reported. It's huge and likely insurmountable.

According to a memo from established polling expert Whit Ayres, president of North Star Opinion Research, the folksy Alexander holds a 70-percent-to-11-percent lead in conservative East Tennessee, where half the GOP primary vote comes from. Among “very conservatives,” he leads Carr 53 percent to 23 percent. In a head-to-head matchup, he leads three to one. Among Republicans he leads 69 percent to 14 percent.
     
And his favorability in the state he once governed? Among primary voters, it is 67 percent approve, 26 percent disapprove.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, in a challenging re-election race in neighboring Kentucky, should be so lucky as to have Alexander's “edge.”

“This campaign looks essentially the same today as it did last August,” wrote Ayres. “Given Senator Alexander’s universal name recognition, it will be very difficult for his opponents to move these numbers. Alexander remains in a very strong position to win the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate.”

Tea Party groups believe they still have a chance, but it doesn't look good. Carr, for example, hasn't raised in his Senate race what he did in his recent House race.

But they have time. Hillary Pate, Carr's communication's director, said it's "laughable" to believe polling long before the primary election.

“In his 2002 primary, he consistently released polling showing a 40 percent point lead and the final results showed those assertions to be so far off base, they were laughable. Now he’s doing it again, claiming to be a conservative when he’s not, and claiming high levels of support while every other recent non-partisan poll shows plummeting approval ratings," she said in a statement to Secrets.

"In contrast, our authentically conservative campaign is building momentum and the solid support that will help us achieve victory on election day," added Pate.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Atomic Cow on February 18, 2014, 11:31:24 pm
You're not even a conservative, by your own admission, so why are you here except to try and stir up sh*t?

(http://allthingsnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/calvin-klein-obsession-eau-toilette-spray9556.jpg)
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 18, 2014, 11:38:31 pm
You're not even a conservative, by your own admission, so why are you here except to try and stir up sh*t?

(http://allthingsnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/calvin-klein-obsession-eau-toilette-spray9556.jpg)

TS is a solid conservative.  All over the country, all the TP hopes and dreams are going up in smoke.  Alexander winning, Cornyn winning (and will win without a runoff), McConnell winning.

And they are doing it with the votes of CONSERVATIVES.  Most conservatives, in fact, are not TPers, and apparently prefer to stay with proven leadership.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: kevindavis007 on February 19, 2014, 02:24:21 am
You're not even a conservative, by your own admission, so why are you here except to try and stir up sh*t?

(http://allthingsnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/calvin-klein-obsession-eau-toilette-spray9556.jpg)

Why is TS not a Conservative??? I'm seeing a lot people here acting like people at the site that shall not be mentioned.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 19, 2014, 02:26:45 am
TS is a solid conservative.  All over the country, all the TP hopes and dreams are going up in smoke.  Alexander winning, Cornyn winning (and will win without a runoff), McConnell winning.

And they are doing it with the votes of CONSERVATIVES.  Most conservatives, in fact, are not TPers, and apparently prefer to stay with proven leadership.
What have they proven? How to cave? How to let the Democrats run over them like they're the Lincoln Highway?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 19, 2014, 02:32:40 am
You're not even a conservative, by your own admission, so why are you here except to try and stir up sh*t?

(http://allthingsnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/calvin-klein-obsession-eau-toilette-spray9556.jpg)
I've been a conservative longer than you have been alive, "moderator."

Voted for Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, Romney. Never never voted democrat, once, and don't plan to.

If Cruz or Christie or anybody in between is the candidate next time, I'll vote for them.

Seriously do you see your job as a moderator to harass posters, challenge they are not conservative, etc.?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 19, 2014, 02:41:37 am
I've been a conservative longer than you have been alive, "moderator."

Voted for Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, Romney. Never never voted democrat, once, and don't plan to.

If Cruz or Christie or anybody in between is the candidate next time, I'll vote for them.

Seriously do you see your job as a moderator to harass posters, challenge they are not conservative, etc.?

ACow... what the hell has got into you?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 19, 2014, 02:47:30 am
Politics. It makes madmen of us all. I get the vapors just thinking about the run-up to November.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 19, 2014, 03:07:52 am
I've been a conservative longer than you have been alive, "moderator."

Voted for Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, Romney. Never never voted democrat, once, and don't plan to.

If Cruz or Christie or anybody in between is the candidate next time, I'll vote for them.

Seriously do you see your job as a moderator to harass posters, challenge they are not conservative, etc.?

Don't be intimidated.  If Myst stands by her principles, these gnats are no more than other posters.

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Atomic Cow on February 19, 2014, 03:49:09 am
Why is TS not a Conservative??? I'm seeing a lot people here acting like people at the site that shall not be mentioned.

Read his posts.  He openly mocks conservatives and conservative forums.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Oceander on February 19, 2014, 03:57:09 am
It's funny how each side likes to think it's a matter of broad principle beating broad principle when their guy is winning, and just a matter of strictly local, parochial politics when their guy is losing.

Nobody - not truth_seeker, not Atomic Cow, nor anybody else - can have their cake and eat it, too.  All (well, most) politics is local, so this is more likely a matter of local political personalities and frustrations than it is the broad philosophical beatdown truth_seeker seems to think it is.

The same goes, in reverse, for those who crow over a tea partier getting the best of an e-GOP'er.


Beyond that, this insane in-fighting is getting out of control - I mean between various republican factions, not the folks on the forum - when are you - all of you - going to wake up and smell the coffee?  The enemy ain't us, it's them, the democrats/liberals.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 19, 2014, 04:00:23 am
Read his posts.  He openly mocks conservatives and conservative forums.
For such a young whippersnapper with so much power, you sure lack a sense of humor and ability to take things in stride.

I have seen enough politicians and politics to hold them all in contempt and mock them.

Look up John Schmitz, a model true conservative if ever there was one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

Randy Duke Cunningham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Cunningham

People who idolize politicians seem gullible to me.

I was treasurer of a local PAC. We supported conservatives. Two won, but failed to complete their terms, for one resigned over inappropriate conduct, and the other was convicted of fraud and served time in a federal prison.

Want more names, dates?



Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Oceander on February 19, 2014, 04:06:58 am
For such a young whippersnapper with so much power, you sure lack a sense of humor and ability to take things in stride.

I have seen enough politicians and politics to hold them all in contempt and mock them.

Look up John Schmitz, a model true conservative if ever there was one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

Randy Duke Cunningham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Cunningham

People who idolize politicians seem gullible to me.

I was treasurer of a local PAC. We supported conservatives. Two won, but failed to complete their terms, for one resigned over inappropriate conduct, and the other was convicted of fraud and served time in a federal prison.

Want more names, dates?





I'd ask for more dates, but my wife would kill me!  :silly:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 19, 2014, 04:18:27 am
Read his posts.  He openly mocks conservatives and conservative forums.

Are zot-fests next?  Gotta cull the herd.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 19, 2014, 04:44:40 am
Are zot-fests next?  Gotta cull the herd.
Preparing my opus now.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Oceander on February 19, 2014, 04:50:11 am
Are zot-fests next?  Gotta cull the herd.

Preparing my opus now.

Puh-leeze.

You, in particular, Once-ler.  You're just as good at throwing around invective and rhetoric when it suits your purposes.  There are only two people who could - if they were so inclined - "zot" someone, and they're Myst and R4S, and I very, very seriously doubt if they would ever, in a million years, do anything more than ask someone to lighten up and be a bit nicer.

Zots are for fanatics, not for the likes of Myst and R4S.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 19, 2014, 05:42:01 am
Puh-leeze.

You, in particular, Once-ler.  You're just as good at throwing around invective and rhetoric when it suits your purposes. 

In my best Elvis voice.

Thank ya...thank ya very much.

I was joking.  I'm not writing an opus.  If I wasn't having a blast here I'd just leave.

I learned my invective and rhetoric throwing from the best.  I've been married for many years.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Oceander on February 19, 2014, 06:05:06 am
In my best Elvis voice.

Thank ya...thank ya very much.

I was joking.  I'm not writing an opus.  If I wasn't having a blast here I'd just leave.

I learned my invective and rhetoric throwing from the best.  I've been married for many years.


:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: rangerrebew on February 19, 2014, 01:35:22 pm
If you will remember, Alexander is such an astute observer of the world that when he ran for POTUS and was asked how much a gallon of milk cost, he didn't know.  He, like all entrenched politicians, sees only what he wants to see. :tongue2:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: EC on February 19, 2014, 01:37:08 pm
In my best Elvis voice.

Thank ya...thank ya very much.

I was joking.  I'm not writing an opus.  If I wasn't having a blast here I'd just leave.

I learned my invective and rhetoric throwing from the best.  I've been married for many years.

Do you merely take notes, or are you allowed to get a word in from time to time?  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: mystery-ak on February 19, 2014, 05:42:55 pm
I've been a conservative longer than you have been alive, "moderator."

Voted for Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, Romney. Never never voted democrat, once, and don't plan to.

If Cruz or Christie or anybody in between is the candidate next time, I'll vote for them.

Seriously do you see your job as a moderator to harass posters, challenge they are not conservative, etc.?

Quote
Don't be intimidated.  If Myst stands by her principles, these gnats are no more than other posters.


I am going to address this one more time:

When Mods post on the forum they are posting as a member not a Mod..they have opinions too and should be respected like every other member here....They volunteer to help run this forum and without them there would be no TBR...I don't appreciate them being referred to as *gnats*....

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 05:47:27 pm
TS is a solid conservative.  All over the country, all the TP hopes and dreams are going up in smoke.  Alexander winning, Cornyn winning (and will win without a runoff), McConnell winning.

And they are doing it with the votes of CONSERVATIVES.  Most conservatives, in fact, are not TPers, and apparently prefer to stay with proven leadership.

Oh lawd I see I missed this last night.  :silly:

How do you know TS is a conservative? Posting history from here and a few old timers of politics on the net would say differently.

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 05:51:11 pm
Read his posts.  He openly mocks conservatives and conservative forums.

I stand with you on this. From two or three forums ago I can attest. But let's move on to the subject of this thread.

I know it is wrong but the obsession perfume cracks me up. Sorry.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: olde north church on February 19, 2014, 05:54:09 pm
Suicide is painless.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 05:56:01 pm
Suicide is painless.

 :wtf:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 19, 2014, 06:05:16 pm
Let's just continue to piss one another off, shall we?

Hopeless.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: MBB1984 on February 19, 2014, 06:14:27 pm
Disgusting if true.  Alexander is one of the worst GOP senators and should be easily replaced by a true Conservative.  I could hold my nose and vote for Cornyn and McConnell.  As far as Alexander goes, If I lived in TN, I would probably vote democrat to replace that sorry piece of RINO.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 06:16:28 pm
Disgusting if true.  Alexander is one of the worst GOP senators and should be easily replaced by a true Conservative.  I could hold my nose and vote for Cornyn and McConnell.  As far as Alexander goes, If I lived in TN, I would probably vote democrat to replace that sorry piece of RINO.

This is what irritates me - this continual returning really, really bad so-called Republicans to the senate - it is what has turned the senate into nothing more than a country club.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 19, 2014, 06:18:51 pm
This is what irritates me - this continual returning really, really bad so-called Republicans to the senate - it is what has turned the senate into nothing more than a country club.

Agreed Rap.  Overcoming the so-called low-information voter is a killer.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 19, 2014, 06:19:53 pm
This is what irritates me - this continual returning really, really bad so-called Republicans to the senate - it is what has turned the senate into nothing more than a country club.

Haven't paid much attention to this one but if Alexander is that far ahead the challenger must be a REAL piece of work as there is no bigger RINO around than Lamar!

Here's the opponent's  website (http://www.carrfortn.com/)!  Looks OK to me! I would probably vote for him!

December PPP poll had him down by 6!  http://www.electionprojection.com/2014-elections/races/2014-tennessee-senate-race.php

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 19, 2014, 06:27:47 pm
This is what irritates me - this continual returning really, really bad so-called Republicans to the senate - it is what has turned the senate into nothing more than a country club.

What irritates me are voters from Arizona trying to tell Republican voters in Tennessee who their Senators ought to be.

Same for voters in Texas.  Most Texans like and approve of John Cornyn.  Any other state in the union is free to grab that jewel Steve Stockman and stick him in office in your state.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 19, 2014, 06:28:23 pm
Oh lawd I see I missed this last night.  :silly:

How do you know TS is a conservative? Posting history from here and a few old timers of politics on the net would say differently.

No offense TS but shit-stirring troll is more accurate then than conservative.
Your profane language is not setting the correct example for a moderator, nor is use of profanity a conservative value.

And your harassment of me is also inappropriate for a moderator, or for anybody.

Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were conservatives, but couldn't pass the litmus test of some of the most ardent "posting history" enforcers of today.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on February 19, 2014, 06:29:29 pm
Hey Sink--most voting Texans chose Ted Cruz too.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 06:30:09 pm
Your profane language is not setting the correct example for a moderator, nor is use of profanity a conservative value.

And your harassment of me is also inappropriate for a moderator, or for anybody.

Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were conservatives, but couldn't pass the litmus test of some of the most ardent "posting history" enforcers of today.


1) Gazoo is NOT a moderator here and as such has as much right to an opinion as you....

2) IF she WAS a moderator here she would still have a right to her opinion when posting as herself and not as MOD1 of MOD2.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 06:31:35 pm
Hey Sink--most voting Texans chose Ted Cruz too.

 :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 19, 2014, 06:36:19 pm
Hey Sink--most voting Texans chose Ted Cruz too.

Yes they did.  I will vote for him when and if he runs again for Senate.

See, I'll support a Tea Party  candidate because he's superior to any Democrat.  There are those, however, who back Tea Party candidates who will vote for a Democrat over an incumbent "RINO."

That's pretty sick.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 19, 2014, 06:36:52 pm
Someone here would be well advised to Go Here (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profiles?location=91) and check out the lay of the land before running his mouth about his own wishes and hopes as if they were facts!
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 19, 2014, 06:44:31 pm

1) Gazoo is NOT a moderator here and as such has as much right to an opinion as you....

2) IF she WAS a moderator here she would still have a right to her opinion when posting as herself and not as MOD1 of MOD2.
Aren't we all entitled to our opinions, without stalking and harassment by other members? (And without juvenile use of profanity which is NOT a conservative value.)

Or are we witnessing the beginning of the era of "posting history" enforcers on this site?




Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 06:47:13 pm
Aren't we all entitled to our opinions, without stalking and harassment by other members? (And without juvenile use of profanity which is NOT a conservative value.)

Or are we witnessing the beginning of the era of "posting history" enforcers on this site?

Speaking as me - and not a moderator - a) your accusations of "stalking" are getting really old and b) you gore as often as you are gored grow a thicker skin if you are going to voice a strong opinion on any forum.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on February 19, 2014, 06:48:31 pm
Aren't we all entitled to our opinions, without stalking and harassment by other members? (And without juvenile use of profanity which is NOT a conservative value.)

Or are we witnessing the beginning of the era of "posting history" enforcers on this site?

You're one of the biggest baiters on this site.  Given that, I would wager you probably have a high Abuse-button history here too.   :beer:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: EC on February 19, 2014, 06:48:57 pm
Aren't we all entitled to our opinions, without stalking and harassment by other members? (And without juvenile use of profanity which is NOT a conservative value.)

Or are we witnessing the beginning of the era of "posting history" enforcers on this site?

Hey - if I can't use profanity, I'd be mute.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 19, 2014, 06:50:41 pm
Hey - if I can't use profanity, I'd be mute.  :shrug:

But you use it so... so...
.
artfully.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: EC on February 19, 2014, 06:55:41 pm
 :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 19, 2014, 06:56:13 pm
But you use it so... so...
.
artfully.

Comes from many years of experience in an environment that requires it for even the most basic communications!  :sword:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: mystery-ak on February 19, 2014, 07:00:53 pm
Your profane language is not setting the correct example for a moderator, nor is use of profanity a conservative value.

And your harassment of me is also inappropriate for a moderator, or for anybody.

Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were conservatives, but couldn't pass the litmus test of some of the most ardent "posting history" enforcers of today.

You must have copied that awfully fast ts..I responded rather quickly to your report and removed it.......btw..Gazoo is not a Mod
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on February 19, 2014, 07:05:21 pm
You must have copied that awfully fast ts..I responded rather quickly to your report and removed it.......btw..Gazoo is not a Mod

 :silly:

LOL--I knew it!  Boy, its always the most obnoxious who are also the most thin-skinned.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: EC on February 19, 2014, 07:07:22 pm
Comes from many years of experience in an environment that requires it for even the most basic communications!  :sword:

Hey, if we didn't swear, they'd think we didn't love them or something!  :laugh:

It can be awkward to remember to tone it down a bit. Our Dani's very first clear word was the F word. I dictate articles and she would sleep next to my chair.

And congrats to Gazoo. You would make an Effing awesome mod  :tongue2:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 19, 2014, 07:10:32 pm
Hey, if we didn't swear, they'd think we didn't love them or something!  :laugh:

LOL! For sure!
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 07:45:29 pm
Hey, if we didn't swear, they'd think we didn't love them or something!  :laugh:

It can be awkward to remember to tone it down a bit. Our Dani's very first clear word was the F word. I dictate articles and she would sleep next to my chair.

And congrats to Gazoo. You would make an Effing awesome mod  :tongue2:

  :silly: Stop the mod rumors, even in humor please. It is my opinion that TS knew darn well I am not a mod as all mods have pretty colors to their names. It was kind of TS to point out my potty mouth and awful grammar.
All of this addressed nothing to either the subject of the thread or TS's politics. Oh well so be it.  And for the record you could not pay me to be a mod it is not my thing.

I still think the Obsession perfume posting is funny I don't care who you are and I will back up the obsession poster all day long.

And Lamar needs to retire don't you think, Truth Seeker?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: MBB1984 on February 19, 2014, 07:55:12 pm
Yes they did.  I will vote for him when and if he runs again for Senate.

See, I'll support a Tea Party  candidate because he's superior to any Democrat.  There are those, however, who back Tea Party candidates who will vote for a Democrat over an incumbent "RINO."

That's pretty sick.

William F. Buckley did it and no one ever said that he was "pretty sick."  When the Republican is closer in ideology to the democrat than to the Tea Party, it makes perfect sense to remove the RINO by whatever means necessary. 
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: olde north church on February 19, 2014, 08:43:57 pm
:wtf:

"Conservatives" are "killing" each other, a little or a lot at a time, while not feeling a thing ergo "Suicide Is Painless".  It was a brain working a bit at a time.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 08:50:22 pm
"Conservatives" are "killing" each other, a little or a lot at a time, while not feeling a thing ergo "Suicide Is Painless".  It was a brain working a bit at a time.


Gotcha. it is true. Republicans quit being fiscally conservative and we hold them to their toes. Democrats just tool along and like the radical progressiveness. Obama and the dems are currently pathetic so a republican schism is magic to their ears. Only thing is, if Hillary is unopposed they may not win and their primary fighting would be just as ugly. Progressives Vv. Moderates. Do they have any moderates remaining?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 19, 2014, 08:51:07 pm
"Conservatives" are "killing" each other, a little or a lot at a time, while not feeling a thing ergo "Suicide Is Painless".  It was a brain working a bit at a time.

No they aren't! Internal debate is quite strengthening actually!
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Olivia on February 19, 2014, 08:58:14 pm
Some of these RINO republicans have enough money and backing to stay in the Senate & Congress until they die.
It amazes me how Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham to name a few keep getting elected every time.  They are put in office by republicans with big wallets.
It cost millions to run for office in this day and time and if you don't have the millions, you lose, regardless of who you are.


Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 08:59:39 pm
Some of these RINO republicans have enough money and backing to stay in the Senate & Congress until they die.
It amazes me how Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham to name a few keep getting elected every time.  They are put in office by republicans with big wallets.
It cost millions to run for office in this day and time and if you don't have the millions, you lose, regardless of who you are.

and we can curse the 17th amendment for this fact.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 19, 2014, 08:59:52 pm
Some of these RINO republicans have enough money and backing to stay in the Senate & Congress until they die.
It amazes me how Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham to name a few keep getting elected every time.  They are put in office by republicans with big wallets.
It cost millions to run for office in this day and time and if you don't have the millions, you lose, regardless of who you are.

I have friends in Arizona who tell me that it's Democrats who keep John McCain in office and I believe them!
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 09:02:17 pm
I have friends in Arizona who tell me that it's Democrats who keep John McCain in office and I believe them!

It's true........... voter-wise. Money-wise it is also true thanks to his wife's business connections here, the rest comes from K-Street. Unfortunately K-Street keeps these has-beens in office.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Olivia on February 19, 2014, 09:08:42 pm
I have friends in Arizona who tell me that it's Democrats who keep John McCain in office and I believe them!

John McCain is shameless when it comes to getting media attention and praise from the democrats.  It's past time for him to retire, along with at least a hundred of them.

I'm just appalled at how much money is spent trying to win a seat in Washington, or even at the state level.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 09:11:16 pm
John McCain is shameless when it comes to getting media attention and praise from the democrats.  It's past time for him to retire, along with at least a hundred of them.

I'm just appalled at how much money is spent trying to win a seat in Washington, or even at the state level.

If the GOP wins in November and McCain gets his place back heading this and other committees he will run again..... mark my words. The man is power hungry.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 19, 2014, 09:12:51 pm
I have friends in Arizona who tell me that it's Democrats who keep John McCain in office and I believe them!
And to win Reagan was supported by democrats as well, and so was Eisenhower.

I think people should go back and study the wisdom of Eisenhower and Reagan.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/23920.Dwight_D_Eisenhower
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Rapunzel on February 19, 2014, 09:16:09 pm
Except Reagan was a conservative. McCain is an egomaniac
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 09:17:11 pm
And to win Reagan was supported by democrats as well, and so was Eisenhower.

I think people should go back and study the wisdom of Eisenhower and Reagan.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/23920.Dwight_D_Eisenhower
I agree and few people realize Reagan was a former democrat and bipartisan. He got the union vote!

I think the divisive nature of politics today would make pulling a Reagan quite difficult.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 19, 2014, 09:17:47 pm
Except Reagan was a conservative. McCain is an egomaniac

True dat.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Carling on February 20, 2014, 02:36:19 am
Now we're going to the "so and so isn't a true conservative" attacks.  I've seen this before on a certain site.  Are ping lists next?   :silly:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Carling on February 20, 2014, 02:38:41 am

1) Gazoo is NOT a moderator here and as such has as much right to an opinion as you....

2) IF she WAS a moderator here she would still have a right to her opinion when posting as herself and not as MOD1 of MOD2.

Nothing about Gazoo's complete inappropriate personal attack on truth-seeker?  Instead, you basically attack truth-seeker, when he was call a "shit-stirring troll" by a fellow poster.  Ridiculous.   :whistle:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Carling on February 20, 2014, 02:41:00 am
This entire thread turns into 4 or 5 posters bashing truth-seeker in a roundy-round of insecurity.

Pretty soon, this site will be 10 or so posters who all think the same thing, until they then turn on each other.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Carling on February 20, 2014, 02:42:01 am
I have friends in Arizona who tell me that it's Democrats who keep John McCain in office and I believe them!

Sarah Palin endorsed and campaigned for McCain in the GOP primary.  Don't let facts interrupt your opinion.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: R4 TrumPence on February 20, 2014, 02:42:47 am
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tYtEp1whZmc/UQ1nbAElXvI/AAAAAAAAB2s/CP8kIqHOFEc/s1600/can-we-all-just-get-along.jpg)


KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ENEMY:

(http://www.opinion-maker.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Obama-and-hillary-clinton.jpg)
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: mystery-ak on February 20, 2014, 02:44:39 am
Nothing about Gazoo's complete inappropriate personal attack on truth-seeker?  Instead, you basically attack truth-seeker, when he was call a "shit-stirring troll" by a fellow poster.  Ridiculous.   :whistle:

I handled Gazoo's post..I deleted it as soon as I saw a post report...the only reason you see it now is ts himself chose to copy and paste it on the thread before it disappeared.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 20, 2014, 02:50:56 am
This entire thread turns into 4 or 5 posters bashing truth-seeker in a roundy-round of insecurity.

Pretty soon, this site will be 10 or so posters who all think the same thing, until they then turn on each other.

One has to have a very thick skin around here if one is not going to suck down the Tea Party kool-aid.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: mystery-ak on February 20, 2014, 02:59:12 am
People have predicting TBR's demise for almost 5 years now.... :smokin:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 20, 2014, 02:59:56 am
One has to have a very thick skin around here if one is not going to suck down the Tea Party kool-aid.

TP enthusiasts praise efforts to "primary" Republican incumbents with Lifetime ACU ratings above 90 !!!

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: R4 TrumPence on February 20, 2014, 03:00:38 am
 :mauslaff: 000hehehehe :pigs fly:
People have predicting TBR's demise for almost 5 years now.... :smokin:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 20, 2014, 03:04:33 am
TP enthusiasts praise efforts to "primary" Republican incumbents with Lifetime ACU ratings above 90 !!!

This is going to be a watershed year.  When the vast majority of incumbents defeat TP primary opponents--as I think they will--the supposed power of FreedomWorks and Senate Conservatives Fund will be broken.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: R4 TrumPence on February 20, 2014, 03:15:35 am
This is going to be a watershed year.  When the vast majority of incumbents defeat TP primary opponents--as I think they will--the supposed power of FreedomWorks and Senate Conservatives Fund will be broken.

I am just curious about something... What is it that makes you so hate the Tea Party? I don't understand at all :shrug:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Chieftain on February 20, 2014, 03:16:56 am
People have predicting TBR's demise for almost 5 years now.... :smokin:

yah...but only at the OTHER site.........

 :beer:
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 20, 2014, 03:25:28 am
I am just curious about something... What is it that makes you so hate the Tea Party? I don't understand at all :shrug:

Observe the behavior of some of the TPers on this forum.  Belligerent, dismissive toward those who don't toe their line, and intent on taking out solid conservatives like John Cornyn  who have fought the fight for YEARS.

I suppose Ted Cruz is now the poster boy for how the Tea Party is to march:  uncompromising, completely unwilling to work within the GOP, and ready to throw his compatriots under the bus if it will advance his cause.

If that's what the TP is about, I want no part of it.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: R4 TrumPence on February 20, 2014, 03:33:29 am
Observe the behavior of some of the TPers on this forum.  Belligerent, dismissive toward those who don't toe their line, and intent on taking out solid conservatives like John Cornyn  who have fought the fight for YEARS.

I suppose Ted Cruz is now the poster boy for how the Tea Party is to march:  uncompromising, completely unwilling to work within the GOP, and ready to throw his compatriots under the bus if it will advance his cause.

If that's what the TP is about, I want no part of it.

I think there are a lot of people that do not understand the Tea Party. So many groups have tried to co-opt it.

When the original Tea Party came into being, it was Repubs, Dems and Indys that were fed up with govt taxes and spending.

Because there was no central "Headquarters" to help it along, Different factions sprung up, proclaiming social and fiscal ties.

The media and the left also got into the act of defining the TP. Which is why it also hurt that there was no clear message.

Due to the media a lot of people have a bad taste in their mouths for the TP.  Had it been left to just the fiscal side of conservatism, it would not have the "right wing nuts" moniker attached, and more indys and dems would have probably been more vocal.

I don't push my social views on anyone, but I am socially and fiscally conservative.   :shrug:

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 20, 2014, 03:46:12 am

People who idolize politicians seem gullible to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS9mbl4twdU
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 20, 2014, 03:53:48 am
I think there are a lot of people that do not understand the Tea Party. So many groups have tried to co-opt it.

When the original Tea Party came into being, it was Repubs, Dems and Indys that were fed up with govt taxes and spending.

Because there was no central "Headquarters" to help it along, Different factions sprung up, proclaiming social and fiscal ties.

The media and the left also got into the act of defining the TP. Which is why it also hurt that there was no clear message.

Due to the media a lot of people have a bad taste in their mouths for the TP.  Had it been left to just the fiscal side of conservatism, it would not have the "right wing nuts" moniker attached, and more indys and dems would have probably been more vocal.

I don't push my social views on anyone, but I am socially and fiscally conservative.   :shrug:

It's not about "views" or policies.  I agree with most of the TP stances.

It's the attitude of the TPers themselves, exemplified and embodied in someone like Ted Cruz, that turns me off.  His ill-fated and stupid attempt to defund Obamacare in October, leading to the shutdown of the government, was one of the dumbest things I've ever observed from a politician.

Then, last week, he tried the same stunt again, and made sure he embarrassed as many fellow Republicans as he could.

That's not statesman-like behavior.  That's bush-league prepubescent belligerence.  Even his former cohort, Mike Lee, has decided to forgo juvenile antics.

And then, to see Cruz's risible foolishness applauded........let's just say it's not the TP policies that bother me, but the tactics.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 20, 2014, 04:11:28 am
It's not about "views" or policies.  I agree with most of the TP stances.

It's the attitude of the TPers themselves, exemplified and embodied in someone like Ted Cruz, that turns me off.  His ill-fated and stupid attempt to defund Obamacare in October, leading to the shutdown of the government, was one of the dumbest things I've ever observed from a politician.

Then, last week, he tried the same stunt again, and made sure he embarrassed as many fellow Republicans as he could.

That's not statesman-like behavior.  That's bush-league prepubescent belligerence.  Even his former cohort, Mike Lee, has decided to forgo juvenile antics.

And then, to see Cruz's risible foolishness applauded........let's just say it's not the TP policies that bother me, but the tactics.

Paul Simon wrote a song called "One Man's Ceiling is Another Man's Floor".

You see Cruz one way, and others see him differently.

You think that the shutdown move was stupid, I LIKED IT.

You object to the fact that Cruz embarrassed a number of fellow Republicans last week, many (me included) object to the fact that the GOP is an embarrassment so much of the time. 

There comes a point in time when debate and procedural adherence simply stops working and there's nothing left to do but to take to the mat, and the old guard of the GOP ain't up to taking anyone to the mat. The Democrats however, are taking us to the mat and beating us silly.

Fiscal responsibility is one of the cornerstones of conservatism. I've not seen signs of fiscally responsible behavior from the GOPe in many, many years.

So, what's the worst that actually happened when Cruz "embarrassed" s number of the GOP congressional delegation?

They had to stand up and "own" their fiscally irresponsible position?

If owning their position is embarrassing, where do they get the balls to blame someone else for the embarrassment?

There's been some hard feelings here
About some words that were said
There's been some hard feelings here
And what is more
There's been a bloody purple nose
And some bloody purple clothes
That were messing up the lobby floor
It's just apartment house rules
So all you 'partment fools
Remember : one man's ceiling
is another man's floor
Remember: one man's ceiling
is another man's floor.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: sinkspur on February 20, 2014, 04:21:56 am
Paul Simon wrote a song called "One Man's Ceiling is Another Man's Floor".

You see Cruz one way, and others see him differently.

You think that the shutdown move was stupid, I LIKED IT.

You object to the fact that Cruz embarrassed a number of fellow Republicans last week, many (me included) object to the fact that the GOP is an embarrassment so much of the time. 

There comes a point in time when debate and procedural adherence simply stops working and there's nothing left to do but to take to the mat, and the old guard of the GOP ain't up to taking anyone to the mat. The Democrats however, are taking us to the mat and beating us silly.

Fiscal responsibility is one of the cornerstones of conservatism. I've not seen signs of fiscally responsible behavior from the GOPe in many, many years.

So, what's the worst that actually happened when Cruz "embarrassed" s number of the GOP congressional delegation?

They had to stand up and "own" their fiscally irresponsible position?

If owning their position is embarrassing, where do they get the balls to blame someone else for the embarrassment?

There's been some hard feelings here
About some words that were said
There's been some hard feelings here
And what is more
There's been a bloody purple nose
And some bloody purple clothes
That were messing up the lobby floor
It's just apartment house rules
So all you 'partment fools
Remember : one man's ceiling
is another man's floor
Remember: one man's ceiling
is another man's floor.

After the dust has settled, it's likely the temporary embarrassment will yield to an acknowledgement by the majority of Republican voters that Cornyn, McConnell, et al did the right thing.

I'm all for taking it to the mat if there's any chance of victory.  In the case of the shutdown and the debt ceiling, the outcomes were never in doubt.

The problem for Cruz is he has ruined any working relationship he may have had with 44 other GOP Senators.  That doesn't bother me, as I think he needs to be taught a lesson.  But, given the rules of the Senate, he's going to continue to make an ass of himself and try to take down as many other Republicans as he can.

Ted, if you haven't figured it out, is all about Ted.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 20, 2014, 05:20:29 am
Ted, if you haven't figured it out, is all about Ted.

Am I supposed to believe that there are noble souls in DC who are NOT driven by self-interest and not motivated by the power that the position in government affords them?

The call Washington the Seat of Power for a reason.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: truth_seeker on February 20, 2014, 05:56:40 am
I am just curious about something... What is it that makes you so hate the Tea Party? I don't understand at all :shrug:
Hate is the wrong word. More like disappointed they devolved from taking seats from democrats in 2010, to trying to replace incumbent Republicans.

For instance Pete Sessions, Cornyn and McConnell all rated above rated 90.

Seats were lost by weak TP people that managed to win primaries, but couldn't win the generals.

One wonders if they seriously care about results.   
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 20, 2014, 07:56:25 am
This is going to be a watershed year.  When the vast majority of incumbents defeat TP primary opponents--as I think they will--the supposed power of FreedomWorks and Senate Conservatives Fund will be broken.
It already is
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,128464.msg521499.html#msg521499

FREEDOMWORKS FOR AMERICA
Raised $847,243 and spent $1,083,260 in 2013.  They have $595,214 cash on hand   

SENATE CONSERVATIVES FUND
Raised $7,733,854 and spent $8,083,425.  They have cash on hand.  $859,424

BuzzFeed says FreedomWorks had to borrow a million to have the cash on hand
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/sources-cash-strapped-freedomworks-in-state-of-financial-dis

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,128375.msg521031.html#msg521031
American Crossroads has 2.7 million cash on hand.
The RNC pulled in 7.4 million in Dec alone.  They raised $80.6 million in 2013 and have $9.2 million on hand
That's just the RNC, add the NRSC, then look at the war chests of the GOPe like McConnell, Cornyn and Graham and look at war chests of the Tea Party challengers and you can see the real level of support the tea party has.  A fart in the breeze. Terry McAuilffe spent $33 million to win one statewide election.   There are 35 Senate races this year.

I like where the GOPe is sittin.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 20, 2014, 08:10:15 am
Disgusting if true.  Alexander is one of the worst GOP senators and should be easily replaced by a true Conservative.  I could hold my nose and vote for Cornyn and McConnell.  As far as Alexander goes, If I lived in TN, I would probably vote democrat to replace that sorry piece of RINO.

Real conservatives vote rat. :patriot:

Recent Senators from TN have been Al Gore, McCain buddy Fred Thompson, and Bill Frist.

The other Senator from TN is Bob Corker.  http://therightscoop.com/sen-bob-corker-says-defunding-obamacare-effort-is-silly-and-it-lacks-courage-hes-an-idiot/

TN Governor is Bill Haslam http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/mar/23/tennessee-tea-party-calls-gov-bill-haslam-socialis/

Why in the world do conservatives think they can do better than Alexander?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 20, 2014, 09:33:21 am
You see Cruz one way, and others see him differently.

You think that the shutdown move was stupid, I LIKED IT.

You object to the fact that Cruz embarrassed a number of fellow Republicans last week, many (me included) object to the fact that the GOP is an embarrassment so much of the time. 

There comes a point in time when debate and procedural adherence simply stops working and there's nothing left to do but to take to the mat, and the old guard of the GOP ain't up to taking anyone to the mat. The Democrats however, are taking us to the mat and beating us silly.
You don't take a foe who is more powerful than you to the mat.  If he is in superior strength, evade him. http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html
It's fine for you to admire Cruz as long as you understand that 75% of America disagrees with you and the shutdown.  When the Tea Party stands on principle against 75% of America it will lose.

Quote
Fiscal responsibility is one of the cornerstones of conservatism. I've not seen signs of fiscally responsible behavior from the GOPe in many, many years.

Never heard of sequester?

Quote
So, what's the worst that actually happened when Cruz "embarrassed" s number of the GOP congressional delegation?

They had to stand up and "own" their fiscally irresponsible position?

If owning their position is embarrassing, where do they get the balls to blame someone else for the embarrassment?

Senator Cruz is one person.  I think it will take more than one person to correct the coarse of America so I root for a team.  A team that uses strategy can be very powerful.  A team mate who tattles on the team is not going to make friends.  In fact some may veiw him like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano.  Ultimately not good for the organization.

The Tea Party made it impossible to compromise with the rats who control the Senate and Presidency.  The People's House is not a big enough weapon to challenge the Anointed One.  The Tea Party is now the best excuse ever for McConnell, Cornyn and Boehner.  "We can't get Cruz, Lee, and Paul to agree on anything...the rats get a pass.  Zippa Dee Do Dah."

When the GOPe is re-elected and the Tea Party challenge thwarted, how much influence do you think the far right would wield under a GOP Senate majority? After the Oct shutdown I believe the GOPe will never let Cruz lead again. 
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2014, 11:51:08 am
TP enthusiasts praise efforts to "primary" Republican incumbents with Lifetime ACU ratings above 90 !!!

In the current environment high lifetime ACU rating seems irrelevant.

For me the question comes down to whom I going to believe the ACU or my lying eyes?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 20, 2014, 11:55:21 am
Excellent posts that help dissect the issue. 

Senator Cruz - I like him - needs to take his formidable voice and use it from the Senate bench/floor/body shaping policy and strategy.  His solo flights have been harmful and divisive.  His attempt to put himself on the same trajectory as then-Senator Obama has been self-serving and harmful.  I am particularly struck by Sowell being so critical in recent days.  Senator Lee is distancing himself also.

Now is the time for Senator Cruz to be a Statesman. 
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2014, 12:24:21 pm
If an establishment pubbie we're behaving in the interest of the people that sent him to Washington he wouldn't be facing a primary challenge.

And while we're on this subject, ask yourself why is it so hard to get rid of self-interest-over-country incumbents?

Could it be that powerful money interests prefer the status quo? You know, the status quo. That slow march to socialism and NSA spying, health care death panels, red light cameras, iron-fisted IRS code book of the dead, the EPA jobs killing spree, and all the rest of the soul-stealing tyranny coming down on us from Washington.

Return the perp politicians to the status quo? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: olde north church on February 20, 2014, 12:59:36 pm
If an establishment pubbie we're behaving in the interest of the people that sent him to Washington he wouldn't be facing a primary challenge.

And while we're on this subject, ask yourself why is it so hard to get rid of self-interest-over-country incumbents?

Could it be that powerful money interests prefer the status quo? You know, the status quo. That slow march to socialism and NSA spying, health care death panels, red light cameras, iron-fisted IRS code book of the dead, the EPA jobs killing spree, and all the rest of the soul-stealing tyranny coming down on us from Washington.

Return the perp politicians to the status quo? I don't think so.

Again, "Suicide is Painless".  Conservatives, well some Conservatives, are the self-preservation instinct.  Want to maintain what works and tweak that which is imperfect. 
But the vast herd, are anesthetized to reality.  Whether it's their obamaphones and EBT cards or franchise opportunities and cheap credit or through the roof stock exchange and chauffered rides through the bad sections of town, continue to remain numb.
When Krauthammer accuses Obama of acting as if he's somehow above it all, who in this country doesn't?
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2014, 01:20:11 pm
Okay. From a different movie, "Network," I think?

Shouting from the window, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

After listening to Levin rant last night on my way home it occurred to me. As futile as his rant seemed – to some he probably sounded like a nut – we've got to open the window and keep shouting. Short of revolution, going gently into that good night won't work anymore.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Lando Lincoln on February 20, 2014, 01:25:25 pm
Okay. From a different movie, "Network," I think?

Shouting from the window, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

After listening to Levin rant last night on my way home it occurred to me. As futile as his rant seemed – to some he probably sounded like a nut – we've got to open the window and keep shouting. Short of revolution, going gently into that good night won't work anymore.

Tonite, I will listen to Levin. 
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2014, 01:36:55 pm
Levin makes a good case. This time it's different. Obama, congress, SCOTUS is setting precedent. Conducting dangerous, anti-constitutional actions which future generations will point to and build on.

Original intent will be an obscure footnote in the Book of Governance.

This time it's different. And we've all got to open the window and keep shouting, if we want to keep the free America we all remember and love.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 20, 2014, 01:49:01 pm
You don't take a foe who is more powerful than you to the mat.  If he is in superior strength, evade him. http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html
It's fine for you to admire Cruz as long as you understand that 75% of America disagrees with you and the shutdown.  When the Tea Party stands on principle against 75% of America it will lose.

Never heard of sequester?

Senator Cruz is one person.  I think it will take more than one person to correct the coarse of America so I root for a team.  A team that uses strategy can be very powerful.  A team mate who tattles on the team is not going to make friends.  In fact some may veiw him like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano.  Ultimately not good for the organization.

The Tea Party made it impossible to compromise with the rats who control the Senate and Presidency.  The People's House is not a big enough weapon to challenge the Anointed One.  The Tea Party is now the best excuse ever for McConnell, Cornyn and Boehner.  "We can't get Cruz, Lee, and Paul to agree on anything...the rats get a pass.  Zippa Dee Do Dah."

When the GOPe is re-elected and the Tea Party challenge thwarted, how much influence do you think the far right would wield under a GOP Senate majority? After the Oct shutdown I believe the GOPe will never let Cruz lead again.

Seventy-nine percent of the people of the United States disapprove of the GOP congressional delegation. Eighty one percent disapprove of Congress as a whole.

Those numbers preexisted the shut down.



 
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2014, 01:52:31 pm
 *hmmmm*   Perspective.
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: katzenjammer on February 20, 2014, 02:43:33 pm
Levin makes a good case. This time it's different. Obama, congress, SCOTUS is setting precedent. Conducting dangerous, anti-constitutional actions which future generations will point to and build on.

Original intent will be an obscure footnote in the Book of Governance.

This time it's different. And we've all got to open the window and keep shouting, if we want to keep the free America we all remember and love.

Yes, it is different.  I heard most of that part of Levin's show last evening while I was cooking.  At some point, I'm sure that you recall it too, he said something to the effect that "this government is lucky/fortunate that our (American) people have a tradition/culture of remaining peaceful and trying to fix things from within the system.....  in other countries people would already be out in the streets protesting/rioting to overthrow this hardening tyranny...."  I hope that my paraphrase is accurate.  (Of course, he quickly added as he must, "Now I'm not CALLING for it!!" because so many of the "left" and "right" are just waiting to pounce on truth speakers like Levin in any way that they can.)

As I thought about what he was saying (I turned it off soon after to sit down and eat) I was wondering what the real reasons are that the citizens of this country just sit back quietly and let each and every "line in the sand" get crossed with impunity, just allow the tyranny to harden more with each passing day, see our liberties and freedom stripped away and shredded in our faces regularly.....  Does it have to do with our societal and/or cultural traditions??  Maybe, in part.  Although looking back to how this nation came to exist, a violent revolution fought against a tyrannical despot, I wonder why our "societal and/or cultural traditions" have somehow forced the memory of our origins from our collective consciousness as a people.

Personally I don't believe that the formation of our Republic under the genius (and some will say divine inspiration, and I have no quarrel with that) of our Constitution and the resultant governance model that we had upon our origin necessarily created and developed a body of "societal and/or cultural traditions" that would force the memory of the struggle for our independence and freedom from our national memory.  No, I think that what we now see as an overall malaise and apparent complete lack of attention to what is happening around us, is a result of a set of many deliberate actions to reach this point.  The list is long and familiar (at least in passing) to everyone here at this point: public education, over-promotion and hype of pop culture and other distractions, poor diet (that contributes to poor brain function), pressure to turn away from God, widespread prescription and other drug usage, destruction of the family, over promotion of the dependency state, etc.

We didn't arrive at this point by "accident" and it has been a long and steady "march through the institutions" and then some to get us here.  I guess the question that I have is can it be halted at this point?  Or is it too late?

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2014, 02:56:45 pm
Yes, it is different.  I heard most of that part of Levin's show last evening while I was cooking.  At some point, I'm sure that you recall it too, he said something to the effect that "this government is lucky/fortunate that our (American) people have a tradition/culture of remaining peaceful and trying to fix things from within the system.....  in other countries people would already be out in the streets protesting/rioting to overthrow this hardening tyranny...."  I hope that my paraphrase is accurate.  (Of course, he quickly added as he must, "Now I'm not CALLING for it!!" because so many of the "left" and "right" are just waiting to pounce on truth speakers like Levin in any way that they can.)

As I thought about what he was saying (I turned it off soon after to sit down and eat) I was wondering what the real reasons are that the citizens of this country just sit back quietly and let each and every "line in the sand" get crossed with impunity, just allow the tyranny to harden more with each passing day, see our liberties and freedom stripped away and shredded in our faces regularly.....  Does it have to do with our societal and/or cultural traditions??  Maybe, in part.  Although looking back to how this nation came to exist, a violent revolution fought against a tyrannical despot, I wonder why our "societal and/or cultural traditions" have somehow forced the memory of our origins from our collective consciousness as a people.

Personally I don't believe that the formation of our Republic under the genius (and some will say divine inspiration, and I have no quarrel with that) of our Constitution and the resultant governance model that we had upon our origin necessarily created and developed a body of "societal and/or cultural traditions" that would force the memory of the struggle for our independence and freedom from our national memory.  No, I think that what we now see as an overall malaise and apparent complete lack of attention to what is happening around us, is a result of a set of many deliberate actions to reach this point.  The list is long and familiar (at least in passing) to everyone here at this point: public education, over-promotion and hype of pop culture and other distractions, poor diet (that contributes to poor brain function), pressure to turn away from God, widespread prescription and other drug usage, destruction of the family, over promotion of the dependency state, etc.

We didn't arrive at this point by "accident" and it has been a long and steady "march through the institutions" and then some to get us here.  I guess the question that I have is can it be halted at this point?  Or is it too late?

Well said!  Well said indeed!

When I think of what the folks who gave us this once great republic endured to do that less that 5 human lifetimes ago (if you reckon a human lifetime to be 75 years) it literally brings me to tears if I dwell on it very long. If they can see what we, their off spring, have become they must be hiding their heads in SHAME!

None of what has happened to us is by accident! The ink wasn't dry on the Constitution before the forces of evil began trying to undermine and destroy it! They have been very successful in their efforts and most of us are so blissfully ignorant of our heritage that we don't even realize that anything has happened!

I could write a book but will stop right here instead before my blood pressure gets to a dangerous level!
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 20, 2014, 02:57:52 pm

Senator Cruz is one person.  I think it will take more than one person to correct the coarse of America so I root for a team.  A team that uses strategy can be very powerful.  A team mate who tattles on the team is not going to make friends.  In fact some may veiw him like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano.  Ultimately not good for the organization.


The team that you (all of us actually) root for has been in the game the entire time that the nation has been on this course. To one degree or another, there has always been a GOP "team" on the field, yet, here we are, $17 trillion in debt, $127.9 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and our "team" is now going to "fix" Obamacare.

So while I agree with the whole "team" thing, I have to wonder whether our team is basically the Washington Generals to the DNC's Globetrotters, just there to give the appearance that there's a game going on.

Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: katzenjammer on February 20, 2014, 03:17:19 pm
Well said!  Well said indeed!

When I think of what the folks who gave us this once great republic endured to do that less that 5 human lifetimes ago (if you reckon a human lifetime to be 75 years) it literally brings me to tears if I dwell on it very long. If they can see what we, their off spring, have become they must be hiding their heads in SHAME!

None of what has happened to us is by accident! The ink wasn't dry on the Constitution before the forces of evil began trying to undermine and destroy it! They have been very successful in their efforts and most of us are so blissfully ignorant of our heritage that we don't even realize that anything has happened!

I could write a book but will stop right here instead before my blood pressure gets to a dangerous level!

I understand, totally.  Regarding your last sentence,  I understand that all too well.  It is why I simply no longer have any patience for those that still wish to view things from the perspective of a "game."  This never was a game, and because so many have been swayed to view it as one, the nation has been brought to the brink of extinction.  And yes, the destruction began a few minutes into the first period/quarter/inning/set....
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: katzenjammer on February 20, 2014, 03:20:32 pm
The team that you (all of us actually) root for has been in the game the entire time that the nation has been on this course. To one degree or another, there has always been a GOP "team" on the field, yet, here we are, $17 trillion in debt, $127.9 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and our "team" is now going to "fix" Obamacare.

So while I agree with the whole "team" thing, I have to wonder whether our team is basically the Washington Generals to the DNC's Globetrotters, just there to give the appearance that there's a game going on.

You described some of the reasons why some of us (myself included) don't really believe the myth that we any longer (if we ever really did) have a "team" on the field.  (And your Washington Generals vs. Globetrotters analogy is excellent on so many fronts!!)
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2014, 03:26:16 pm
The team that you (all of us actually) root for has been in the game the entire time that the nation has been on this course. To one degree or another, there has always been a GOP "team" on the field, yet, here we are, $17 trillion in debt, $127.9 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and our "team" is now going to "fix" Obamacare.

So while I agree with the whole "team" thing, I have to wonder whether our team is basically the Washington Generals to the DNC's Globetrotters, just there to give the appearance that there's a game going on.

For me the GOP is, and has always been, nothing but a vehicle to get us where we  want to go! It is much easier to take over from within than start a new party from scratch and that, IMHO is EXACTLY the course we need to follow and which I fully intend to continue following!!

I'm going to win some, loose some and draw some but as long as I don't quit I WILL win in the end!
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2014, 03:47:26 pm
For me the GOP is, and has always been, nothing but a vehicle to get us where we  want to go! It is much easier to take over from within than start a new party from scratch and that, IMHO is EXACTLY the course we need to follow and which I fully intend to continue following!!

I'm going to win some, loose some and draw some but as long as I don't quit I WILL win in the end!

If conservatives, libertarians, disaffected Democrats, rattle their cages long enough and loud enough we can force McConnell and Boehner to pay attention, because it's at that point they'll feel the heat and worry about their jobs and their legacy (if they even care about that).
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Carling on February 21, 2014, 08:14:28 am
TiltingAtWindmills.com

Ranting here accomplishes nothing. 
Title: Re: Lamar Alexander crushing Tea Party foe, leads 7-1 among key conservatives
Post by: Gazoo on February 21, 2014, 11:47:18 am
TiltingAtWindmills.com

Ranting here accomplishes nothing.

Attacking an imaginary enemy?

Who is the imaginary enemy?

The only imagination I see going on is that the democrats think marxism, arab springs, nationalized health care, disarmament and sitting around singing (http://arcade-palast.de/forums/images/smilies/kumbaya.gif) works. The imagination of riding unicorns in Peter Pan land. The 1980's called they want their Jimmy Carter failure idea back.