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Where is Heaven?
« on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 05:14 am »
Not located in physical space

Not inside the universe

Not reachable by travel

Often described as a different dimension, alternative reality, or state of existence

The St Andrews Encyclopaedia of Theology notes that heaven originally had a literal “above the sky” location, but modern thought treats it as metaphysical, not spatial.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 05:30 am »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:10 am »
   It resides only in the fertile imagination of those who believe.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:21 am »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:24 am »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:28 am »
The Coming of the Kingdom

Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Luke 17:20-21


(That's Jesus talking)
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:29 am »
Ask the Rocketeer, I think he knows :whistle:
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:36 am »
It is simply in another dimension, coexisting with ours.

Of course the materialists deny that.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 08:11 am »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 08:15 am »
Heaven is wherever God exists and God exists everywhere.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 02:59 pm »
Quote from: corbe on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:10 am
   It resides only in the fertile imagination of those who believe.

Science continues to correlate all we see and know with the Holy Bible's claims of 2,000 years ago. 
The first sentence in the first book of the Bible was only verified in the 20th Century discovery of the Big Bang.
The profound fortuitous interdependencies which surround every person on earth did not simply "happen."  They are all products of the Brilliant Creator.

I pray you do not find rest until you learn the truth.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 03:05 pm »
It’s on the 7th floor… according to Paul Nicholas.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ElivctJ4YnU?is=g9E8mmmP9pkIdKZp
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:01 pm »
Iowa.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:15 pm »
If you deny The Creator, you must believe that:

•   nothing produced everything
•   chaos produced order
•   mindless matter produced mind
•   meaningless processes produced meaning
•   blind forces produced moral obligation

That’s not skepticism. That’s naivete.

If you trust reason, recognize information, live by morality, and do science in an ordered, fine-tuned universe, you are already standing on the ground that screams “Brilliant Creator”—the only question is whether you’ll admit it.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:15 pm »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:18 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:01 pm
Iowa.

Actually ...

Almost heaven, West Virginia
Blue Ridge Mountains
Shenandoah River –
Life is old there
Older than the trees
Younger than the mountains
Growin like a breeze

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

All my memories gathered round her
Miners lady, stranger to blue water
Dark and dusty, painted on the sky
Misty taste of moonshine
Teardrops in my eye

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

I hear her voice
In the mornin hour she calls me
The radio reminds me of my home far away
And drivin down the road I get a feelin
That I should have been home yesterday, yesterday

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads
Take me home, now country roads
Take me home, now country roads

Words and Music by Bill Danoff, Taffy Nivert and John Denver
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:25 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:18 pm
Actually ...

Almost heaven, West Virginia
Blue Ridge Mountains
Shenandoah River –


Just want to point out that both the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenandoah River are in Virginia, not West Virginia.  I grew up on the South Fork of the Shenandoah at the foot of the Blue Ridge.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:34 pm »
Quote from: ChemEngrMBA on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 02:59 pm
Science continues to correlate all we see and know with the Holy Bible's claims of 2,000 years ago. 
The first sentence in the first book of the Bible was only verified in the 20th Century discovery of the Big Bang.
The profound fortuitous interdependencies which surround every person on earth did not simply "happen."  They are all products of the Brilliant Creator.

I pray you do not find rest until you learn the truth.

Must you do all the Jelm and Brimstone, “that’s Jesus at the front door now” formatting?

It’s annoying as Hell and makes mr jump over anything you post, without reading it.

Come on. Either cut it out, or just change your avatar.

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« Last Edit: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:37 pm by Luis Gonzalez »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:45 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:25 pm
Just want to point out that both the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenandoah River are in Virginia, not West Virginia.  I grew up on the South Fork of the Shenandoah at the foot of the Blue Ridge.

????  I looked it up because I knew that the Blue Ridge Mountains are in several states, including Georgia The Shenandoah River runs in both W. VA and VA. 

Anyways you are fortunate; what beautiful country to grow up in.   :beer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ridge_Mountains

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenandoah_River

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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:54 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:34 pm
Must you do all the Jelm and Brimstone, “that’s Jesus at the front door now” formatting?

It’s annoying as Hell and makes mr jump over anything you post, without reading it.

Come on. Either cut it out.

@Luis Gonzalez

The advancement of Christianity is based on attraction rather than promotion.

And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.

Matthew 5:41


The Romans had a law that a soldier could compel anyone in an occupied territory to carry his pack one Roman mile, but no more.  Every Hebrew kid knew exactly how many steps were in a mile because they knew when so ordered the exact point at which they could drop that soldier's pack and go on their way.

But Jesus is saying to do it different.  He's saying to go another mile.  Imagine the surprise a Roman soldier would have when some Hebrew kid didn't throw the pack down but kept going.

Soldier:  "Hey, what are you doing?  Why are you still carrying my pack?  You've already gone a mile."

Kid:  "Yeah, I know.  But I wasn't thinking about the steps.  I was thinking about this Teacher I met.  He says the most amazing things.  For example . . ."

Another mile later, and that soldier gets exposed to 20 minutes of the gospel.  And believe me, he remembered it.  All because someone did something contrary to what the world teaches.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 05:09 pm »
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 05:17 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:54 pm
@Luis Gonzalez

The advancement of Christianity is based on attraction rather than promotion.

And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two.

Matthew 5:41


The Romans had a law that a soldier could compel anyone in an occupied territory to carry his pack one Roman mile, but no more.  Every Hebrew kid knew exactly how many steps were in a mile because they knew when so ordered the exact point at which they could drop that soldier's pack and go on their way.

But Jesus is saying to do it different.  He's saying to go another mile.  Imagine the surprise a Roman soldier would have when some Hebrew kid didn't throw the pack down but kept going.

Soldier:  "Hey, what are you doing?  Why are you still carrying my pack?  You've already gone a mile."

Kid:  "Yeah, I know.  But I wasn't thinking about the steps.  I was thinking about this Teacher I met.  He says the most amazing things.  For example . . ."

Another mile later, and that soldier gets exposed to 20 minutes of the gospel.  And believe me, he remembered it.  All because someone did something contrary to what the world teaches.

 :seeya:

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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday, Sep 09, 2026 09:44 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 07:36 am
It is simply in another dimension, coexisting with ours.

Of course the materialists deny that.

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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday, Sep 09, 2026 11:33 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:25 pm
Just want to point out that both the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Shenandoah River are in Virginia, not West Virginia.  I grew up on the South Fork of the Shenandoah at the foot of the Blue Ridge.
We in WV know this, we just like to pretend that the song is really about traveling westward through Virginia until finally and happily arriving at, well you know, heaven. West Virginia.  :laugh:
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 07:06 am »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on Saturday, Jul 18, 2026 04:34 pm
Must you do all the Jelm and Brimstone, “that’s Jesus at the front door now” formatting?

It’s annoying as Hell and makes mr jump over anything you post, without reading it.

Come on. Either cut it out, or just change your avatar.

 :beer: :beer:

Your ignorance is showing and it's not pretty.  I do not suffer fools gladly. 
Onto IGNORE you go.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 07:58 am »
   Welcome to the Ignore room of ChemEngrMBA @Luis Gonzalez hope you like old Lesbians and the smell of Tuna.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 08:49 am »
Quote from: corbe on Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 07:58 am
   Welcome to the Ignore room of ChemEngrMBA @Luis Gonzalez hope you like old Lesbians and the smell of Tuna.

You mean like the 9 women from the Clancy Trail.
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 08:54 am »
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 09:38 am »
Bora Bora ... that's as close as I'll get to Heaven in this life.
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Re: Where is Heaven?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday, Sep 10, 2026 10:55 am »
I think i already posted the belinda carlisle song about this subject on the other thread.
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