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General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Shooting Sports => Topic started by: txradioguy on February 02, 2018, 02:22:51 pm
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Yesterday, former Taran Tactical spokesmodel Rochelle Hathaway lost her job after telling Glamour magazine that Americans don’t need more than three guns to defend their home. Which is, let’s face it, a matter of opinion. And debate. What’s not up for debate is the absurdity of Ms. Hathaway’s statement that it would be OK by her if Uncle Sam enforced a three-gun-limit on Americans exercising their natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms.
Ms. Hathway also asserted that Americans have no need for semi-automatic firearms. So I guess her idea of three acceptable home defense firearms would be a revolver, a shotgun and a bolt action rifle.
What’s yours? Be specific: firearm type, manufacturer, caliber, accessories (lights, lasers, etc.). Price no object, but no NFA items and nothing crew-served.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/robert-farago/question-day-three-guns-home-defense/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/01/robert-farago/question-day-three-guns-home-defense/)
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Optional question...Of the guns you have on hand...you're told you can keep three which would they be?
My 3:
RIA M5 Shotgun with 00 Buck
Sig Sauer P320 9mm
Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum
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Optional question...Of the guns you have on hand...you're told you can keep three which would they be?
My 3:
RIA M5 Shotgun with 00 Buck
Sig Sauer P320 9mm
Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum
Sig 2022 with Remington Golden Saber ammo
A Benelli M4 12 ga with 00 buckshot & any kind of Streamlight tactical flashlight
No idea about bolt action rifles
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I'd think all you'd need is two guns - one for the right hand, one for the left.
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1. Taurus Judge
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/taurus_standardjudge_a0217111.jpg)
Specifications
4510TKR-3B
Caliber: .410/45 Colt
Grip: Ribber/black
Capacity: 5
Sights: Fixed rear sight and red fiber optic front
Features: Chambered for 2.5" shells Firing pin block; lock safety; and transfer bar Optional feature: Crimson Trace Lasergrips
Action: Revolver
Material/Finish: Steel/blue
2. CZ-75B
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/1-3.jpg)
Full, in depth review http://www.guns.com/review/gun-review-cz-75b-semi-automatic-handgun-in-9mm/ (http://www.guns.com/review/gun-review-cz-75b-semi-automatic-handgun-in-9mm/)
3. Smith & Wesson M&P Sport II, Semi-Automatic, 5.56x45mm, 16" Barrel, 30+1 Rounds
(https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/10202_01_lg_0.jpg?itok=lPA1ZDlv)
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@Bigun
What is it about the CZ 75 that has everyone wanting one?
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@Bigun
What is it about the CZ 75 that has everyone wanting one?
@skeeter
I have owned one for probably thirty years and shot it a LOT. It still functions perfectly and is just as accurate as it was on day one. The only mod to mine is replacing the factory grips with a Hogue wraparound.
Long sight plane, excellent factory sights, and excellent craftsmanship throughout would be my direct answer to your question.
They are MUCH more expensive now than they were when I acquired mine even accounting for inflation.
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Home defense only? Not the perimeter? In that case:
sawed-off 12ga pump /00
1911 .45 x2 (distributed)
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Ms. Hathway also asserted that Americans have no need for semi-automatic firearms. So I guess her idea of three acceptable home defense firearms would be a revolver, a shotgun and a bolt action rifle.
A double action revolver is a semi-auto 88888cool
revolver, semi-auto shotgun with a magazine extender, semi-auto rifle with a large capacity magazine.
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No idea about bolt action rifles
Bolt action 30 06 for when you need to reach out a touch someone. I like a 22 mag bolt action for the same reason. But where I live one would the hard pressed to get a line of sight longer that a couple hundred yards.
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1. Taurus Judge
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/taurus_standardjudge_a0217111.jpg)
Specifications
4510TKR-3B
Caliber: .410/45 Colt
Grip: Ribber/black
Capacity: 5
Sights: Fixed rear sight and red fiber optic front
Features: Chambered for 2.5" shells Firing pin block; lock safety; and transfer bar Optional feature: Crimson Trace Lasergrips
Action: Revolver
Material/Finish: Steel/blue
I like that! Do you still have a hand after you fire it?
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@Bigun
What is it about the CZ 75 that has everyone wanting one?
For the longest time it was the best kept secret in the Czech Republic. They made a great 9mm pistol but couldn't get the patents on it because of the Russians IIRC...so an Italian gun maker Tanfoglio started making them and the rest is history.
Bottom line it's a well made straight shooting hi capacity 9mm pistol.
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@Bigun @txradioguy
Thx. If I wasn't currently trying to 'thin the herd' a bit I'd have to consider one.
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Home defense only? Not the perimeter? In that case:
sawed-off 12ga pump /00
1911 .45 x2 (distributed)
@roamer_1
Replace the 00 Buck with BBs and you've got something going!
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@Bigun @txradioguy
Thx. If I wasn't currently trying to 'thin the herd' a bit I'd have to consider one.
There is a polymer version of the CZ 75 made by EAA that can be found for $250 new.
If the P320 hadn't come out when it did I'd have gotten that instead.
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Optional question...Of the guns you have on hand...you're told you can keep three which would they be? My 3:
RIA M5 Shotgun with 00 Buck Sig Sauer P320 9mm Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum
@txradioguy
I don't have a hand weapon with a slide such as a 9mm, because I can't pull back the slide. That said, I have more weapons than the average bear, including the other two you mention, however the shot gun is a Remington. The govn. has no business knowing what I have and if they could limit what we have that would mean they would know exactly what we have and would eventually take those away from us.
I am old enough to know a time when government was hardly thought of, when we actually were independent and could live our lives the way we want.
Here is how we lose our independence: When law makers are elected, they think they have to pass laws to show the public they are doing their job so they get reelected, so they make new laws. These laws stack up more and more over time, but it still doesn't stop - there are never enough laws as they keep passing them to get reelected. It will never stop.
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There is a polymer version of the CZ 75 made by EAA that can be found for $250 new.
If the P320 hadn't come out when it did I'd have gotten that instead.
@txradioguy
Where can you get one for $250?
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Replace the 00 Buck with BBs and you've got something going!
Deferring to my somewhat limited experience in this matter, both on the sending and receiving end upon rare occasion, the round really does not matter, as the 'cha-chink' is where any argument normally ends. :shrug:
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@txradioguy
Where can you get one for $250?
@Bigun
The LGS I use in Louisville had the EAA Witness CZ clone for $250.
RK Guns has it for $10 more in their online store.
https://www.rkguns.com/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-9mm-full-size-pistol-999244.html (https://www.rkguns.com/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-9mm-full-size-pistol-999244.html)
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Deferring to my somewhat limited experience in this matter, both on the sending and receiving end upon rare occasion, the round really does not matter, as the 'cha-chink' is where any argument normally ends. :shrug:
@roamer_1
IF you ever had to actually use it, the 00 spreads out too much but with the BBs no one will be testifying against you in court.
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@Bigun
The LGS I use in Louisville had the EAA Witness CZ clone for $250.
RK Guns has it for $10 more in their online store.
https://www.rkguns.com/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-9mm-full-size-pistol-999244.html (https://www.rkguns.com/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-9mm-full-size-pistol-999244.html)
@txradioguy
WOW! Thanks!
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There is a polymer version of the CZ 75 made by EAA that can be found for $250 new.
If the P320 hadn't come out when it did I'd have gotten that instead.
You'da saved quite a bit of dough...
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You'da saved quite a bit of dough...
True. I could have bought to of the EAA pistols for what I got my 320 for. But the desire to own the civilian model of the new Army pistol won out.
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@roamer_1
IF you ever had to actually use it, the 00 spreads out too much but with the BBs no one will be testifying against you in court.
@Bigun
At +/- 25 ft, at a moving target, I'll take the spread. Nobody's going to be testifying anyway. :shrug:
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@Bigun
At +/- 25 ft, at a moving target, I'll take the spread. Nobody's going to be testifying anyway. :shrug:
That's why they make more than one! 888high58888
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From my Conceal Carry class
1. Pump-action .410 shotgun, duck or goose load.
2. .357 Magnum revolver loaded with .38 special or .357 Magnum
3. 9mm or so automatic pistol.
They recommended things that wouldn't deafen or cause you to flinch when you fire. The .357 is for outside work. You also want to avoid killing everyone else in the house by penetrating sheet rock.
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@roamer_1
IF you ever had to actually use it, the 00 spreads out too much but with the BBs no one will be testifying against you in court.
@Bigun
I should say that differently. You are right. I get it.
I don't like specialized shells. I like ordered ubiquity... I like being able to reach into the 5gal /00 bucket, fill my pockets, and go. No busting boxes in the dark, no worry about what load is already in it, though it normally has bear loads in it (alternating /00 and slug)... But that'll do too from within the house interior. I won;t be missin with anything that close... See?
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From my Conceal Carry class
1. Pump-action .410 shotgun, duck or goose load.
2. .357 Magnum revolver loaded with .38 special or .357 Magnum
3. 9mm or so automatic pistol.
They recommended things that wouldn't deafen or cause you to flinch when you fire. The .357 is for outside work. You also want to avoid killing everyone else in the house by penetrating sheet rock.
@Restored
That last part is a VERY important consideration IMHO!
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@Bigun
At +/- 25 ft, at a moving target, I'll take the spread. Nobody's going to be testifying anyway. :shrug:
@roamer_1
For home defense there are a couple of considerations. Accessibility and safety are part of the equation. Are there young kids around? Is theft a concern?
After those it becomes a question of ease of use for the individual, stopping power and over penetration.
The first two are obvious but over penetration is a major concern in many areas where the neighbors house is just a few feet away. So unless you want to kill the intruder and your neighbor 3 houses down standing behind his fridge you should think about what you are using.
The 12ga with 00 actually has quite a bit of penetration. In some tests I've seen it would penetrate through 4 sheets of sheet rock set up as simulated walls. Another video shows it going through 5 layers of plywood. So not only could you hit your target but it could also go thru the wall, the next wall and into someone else living in the house.
The 5.56 from an AR15 was the only round that didn't go thru all 4 layers. The light round fragmented after 3 layers and didn't make it thru 4.
Having said all that, my choices are:
1. Mossberg 590A1 tactical 12ga parkerized with ghost ring sites loaded with 4 buck low recoil. Holds 9 in the tube with an additional 4 in the stock.
2. Any of my .45 but I prefer my glock m30 or sig 220, with JHP
3. an ar-15
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@roamer_1
For home defense there are a couple of considerations. Accessibility and safety are part of the equation. Are there young kids around? Is theft a concern?
After those it becomes a question of ease of use for the individual, stopping power and over penetration.
The first two are obvious but over penetration is a major concern in many areas where the neighbors house is just a few feet away. So unless you want to kill the intruder and your neighbor 3 houses down standing behind his fridge you should think about what you are using.
The 12ga with 00 actually has quite a bit of penetration. In some tests I've seen it would penetrate through 4 sheets of sheet rock set up as simulated walls. Another video shows it going through 5 layers of plywood. So not only could you hit your target but it could also go thru the wall, the next wall and into someone else living in the house.
The 5.56 from an AR15 was the only round that didn't go thru all 4 layers. The light round fragmented after 3 layers and didn't make it thru 4.
Having said all that, my choices are:
1. Mossberg 590A1 tactical 12ga parkerized with ghost ring sites loaded with 4 buck low recoil. Holds 9 in the tube with an additional 4 in the stock.
2. Any of my .45 but I prefer my glock m30 or sig 220, with JHP
3. an ar-15
9MM Ball ammo will penetrate several standard shetrock walls before it stops. Not good if there is someone sleeping two rooms over.
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@roamer_1
Are there young kids around?
@driftdiver
Nope.
Is theft a concern?
Not if the dog's still kicking. I routinely leave the door unlocked (almost always into the back yard), and the keys in the truck. The dog is enough.
The first two are obvious but over penetration is a major concern in many areas where the neighbors house is just a few feet away. So unless you want to kill the intruder and your neighbor 3 houses down standing behind his fridge you should think about what you are using.
I'm fairly in the sticks. my neighbor to the east is kinda close, but not close enough to worry about much more than peppering his paint (which has happened)
The 12ga with 00 actually has quite a bit of penetration.
Nah. Not a sawed-off. That's why it 's here... For taking out varmints around the chicken coop and in the barnyard. It doesn't penetrate the coop, and I even got a coon in the kitchen... took the drywall and made a hole in the insulation - But the outer wall stopped it.
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@roamer_1
My goal is a house here in Tampa for the winter and a house in the mountains with a herd of goats for the summer. Here in Tampa I have to worry about the neighbors. My future house it will only be the goats.
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@roamer_1
My goal is a house here in Tampa for the winter and a house in the mountains with a herd of goats for the summer. Here in Tampa I have to worry about the neighbors. My future house it will only be the goats.
@driftdiver
Yeah, I have a similar problem. If I can, I want to get 20 acres way back in the sticks and set a homestead all up in there... and keep this one for the wintertime. It would be great to winter up there, and if I can, I will. The only thing keeping me down here is health and grandkids. :shrug:
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Home defense only? Not the perimeter? In that case:
sawed-off 12ga pump /00
1911 .45 x2 (distributed)
I agree.
The good old 1911 is reliable.
As for the shotgun, some times even if unloaded, if an intruder hears the sound of the pump, they will run.
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I agree.
The good old 1911 is reliable.
As for the shotgun, some times even if unloaded, if an intruder hears the sound of the pump, they will run.
@GrouchoTex
I had one case of almost having to use a gun. A guy was trying to get in my little kids window. I had the .45 pointed at him with him trying to push the window up. I told my kids to get out of the room because I didnt want to destroy their hearing or having them see it. He stopped trying to get the window open and my kids moved slow. Only thing that saved his life.
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The good old 1911 is reliable.
I still don't quite trust em. My faith is still in a Colt single action .45
Only time I ever had a semi-auto before, the thing stove-piped and I wound up throwing it at a griz.
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I still don't quite trust em. My faith is still in a Colt single action .45
Only time I ever had a semi-auto before, the thing stove-piped and I wound up throwing it at a griz.
My guns now are single action revolvers, 2 Rugers, in fact.
Yet, the 1911, the older ones anyway, seemed pretty reliable, and pretty indestructible.
Had an older Springfield 1911 that shot straight, didn't have a kick, so you could shoot one-handed, and I didn't have the jam issue.
That was then.....
I haven't shot one in over 10 years now, at least.
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@GrouchoTex
I had one case of almost having to use a gun. A guy was trying to get in my little kids window. I had the .45 pointed at him with him trying to push the window up. I told my kids to get out of the room because I didnt want to destroy their hearing or having them see it. He stopped trying to get the window open and my kids moved slow. Only thing that saved his life.
That was a close call!
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My guns now are single action revolvers, 2 Rugers, in fact.
Yet, the 1911, the older ones anyway, seemed pretty reliable, and pretty indestructible.
Had an older Springfield 1911 that shot straight, didn't have a kick, so you could shoot one-handed, and I didn't have the jam issue.
That was then.....
I haven't shot one in over 10 years now, at least.
I like a Peacemaker style cowboy Colt. Been running one of those my whole life, and it's like an extension of my finger. It's just built into me for the weight, and the compensation for the long barrel is native.
So I pull high with that 1911 (and left for some reason), and it feels like a pop gun to me (too light)...
It's alright... I will get used to it eventually.... And I ain't bad with it... just not good.
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I like a Peacemaker style cowboy Colt. Been running one of those my whole life, and it's like an extension of my finger. It's just built into me for the weight, and the compensation for the long barrel is native.
Both my Rugers are long barrelled, Cowboy-type guns.
Gunmetal with wood grips.
Accurate.
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Both my Rugers are long barrelled, Cowboy-type guns.
Gunmetal with wood grips.
Accurate.
I'd probably like em just fine.
888high58888
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Both my Rugers are long barrelled, Cowboy-type guns.
Gunmetal with wood grips.
Accurate.
My favs to shoot. .45 Colt. Yes.
In the home?
1. Taurus Judge - out in front by a long distance.
2. Stoeger 12-gauge Coach Gun (I know, kinda Cowboy but I like it)
3. Remington 870 youth - 20-gauge
4. Oh, and a Doberman who thinks every creature is her new best friend - but has a ferocious alert system
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Bolt action 30 06 for when you need to reach out a touch someone.
@jpsb
In 30/06,it's hard to beat a M1 Garand. Don't forget,Big Daddy Goobermint is restricting you to 3 guns for life,so you might as well have a rifle meant to last.
If you could live with a .308,a FN-FAL is hard to beat.
If you want a bolt gun,a Model 70 Winchester long action chambered for a H&H Magnum tapered case if you really want to reach out to touch somebody and have it felt.
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For the longest time it was the best kept secret in the Czech Republic. They made a great 9mm pistol but couldn't get the patents on it because of the Russians IIRC...so an Italian gun maker Tanfoglio started making them and the rest is history.
Bottom line it's a well made straight shooting hi capacity 9mm pistol.
@CZ's are accurate,they never break,and they never jam with good loads.
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@Bigun
At +/- 25 ft, at a moving target, I'll take the spread. Nobody's going to be testifying anyway. :shrug:
@roamer_1 @Bigun
At typical living room range,it't pretty much irrelevant because most of the shot wiil never leave the shot cup. It's essentially a slug.
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@roamer_1 @Bigun
At typical living room range,it't pretty much irrelevant because most of the shot wiil never leave the shot cup. It's essentially a slug.
@sneakypete
Nope. at 25-30 ft my sawed-off is an eye-shaped pattern with most of it centered, but about a 6" scatter on a horizontal axis. I have made a couple and that's my predictable result. Had a double barrel to start with, sawed off way short, and that one was spreading even more...
Dunno if that's weird, but it's what I get.
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@sneakypete
Nope. at 25-30 ft my sawed-off is an eye-shaped pattern with most of it centered, but about a 6" scatter on a horizontal axis. I have made a couple and that's my predictable result. Had a double barrel to start with, sawed off way short, and that one was spreading even more...
Dunno if that's weird, but it's what I get.
@roamer_1
Try it with some choke in it. The barrel length dosen't matter if there is a choke.
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@roamer_1
Try it with some choke in it. The barrel length dosen't matter if there is a choke.
@sneakypete
Don't want to choke it. I want the spread. Like I said, it's mostly for bear protection and whackin varmints.
In bear mode (alternating 00 and slug) the 00 is for take out senses, and the slug don't give a shit.
For varmints, I want it to lose velocity and spread quick.
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So all of you are comfortable with the idea of only having three guns?
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1. Taurus Judge
(http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/taurus_standardjudge_a0217111.jpg)
Have you shot one? How does it group, both .410 and .45?
I have a .45/.410 barrel for my contender. With a ten inch choked barrel, it makes a very handy shotgun, that I've killed many a moccasin with.
But with that excessive travel that a .45 bullet must make before it engages rifling, its accuracy with .45 ammo is not so great.
So I only shoot .410 ammo thru it. I use my Ruger Blackhawk for .45 shooting.
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(https://i.imgur.com/BGbUtIo.jpg)
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So all of you are comfortable with the idea of only having three guns?
@Elderberry
Well,I normally only carry 2 at any one time.
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Have you shot one? How does it group, both .410 and .45?
I have a .45/.410 barrel for my contender. With a ten inch choked barrel, it makes a very handy shotgun, that I've killed many a moccasin with.
But with that excessive travel that a .45 bullet must make before it engages rifling, its accuracy with .45 ammo is not so great.
So I only shoot .410 ammo thru it. I use my Ruger Blackhawk for .45 shooting.
@Elderberry
I used to have a TC Contender with a .223 barrel and a .44 magnum/410 barrel,and sold the dual purpose barrel after shooting it one time. Maybe the only thing I hate more than a Dim voter is a inaccurate firearm. The .223 barrel was a real nail-driver,and the 44 barrel was like throwing rocks.
I used to shoot snakes with my 3 inch 44 Special DAO Rossi,but that got expensive,so I now use a 22 revolver. LOVED hitting them with 200 gr 44 Silvertips,though. I could walk up to them and hear the blood running out.
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Have you shot one? How does it group, both .410 and .45?
I have a .45/.410 barrel for my contender. With a ten inch choked barrel, it makes a very handy shotgun, that I've killed many a moccasin with.
But with that excessive travel that a .45 bullet must make before it engages rifling, its accuracy with .45 ammo is not so great.
So I only shoot .410 ammo thru it. I use my Ruger Blackhawk for .45 shooting.
@Elderberry
Yes I have shot one and it's fine for what I use it for (inside the home at distances less than 25 feet). Never fired a .45LC round through it and probably never will.
At the distance mentioned I will tell you that anyone who has the misfortune of encountering the #4 shot column out of that thing will not be testifying in any future court proceeding and anyone sleeping in the next room will be safe.
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@roamer_1 @Bigun
At typical living room range,it't pretty much irrelevant because most of the shot wiil never leave the shot cup. It's essentially a slug.
@roamer_1
At 25' I typically get about an 8" circular pattern out of mine.
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So all of you are comfortable with the idea of only having three guns?
@Elderberry
For the specific purpose of home defense yes.
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Take one taurus judge....move the sight back and thread the barrel...add a short (4 inch) smooth bore extension with a milled in choke.....
Then get (so far) 100% pattern at 10 yards and 85% at 20...
Now that .410 is a USEFUL game getter.
(https://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=50531&stc=1&d=1249953077)
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371463 (https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371463)
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@Elderberry
I used to have a TC Contender with a .223 barrel and a .44 magnum/410 barrel,and sold the dual purpose barrel after shooting it one time. Maybe the only thing I hate more than a Dim voter is a inaccurate firearm. The .223 barrel was a real nail-driver,and the 44 barrel was like throwing rocks.
I used to shoot snakes with my 3 inch 44 Special DAO Rossi,but that got expensive,so I now use a 22 revolver. LOVED hitting them with 200 gr 44 Silvertips,though. I could walk up to them and hear the blood running out.
@sneakypete
For my contender, I've got the 45/410 barrel, that I only shoot .410s out of. I also have 2 22K Hornet bbls, one 10" and one 14" and a 14" 357 Herrett bbl. All of those are scoped and are very accurate.
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@roamer_1
At 25' I typically get about an 8" circular pattern out of mine.
@Bigun
Yeah - something like that... I dunno why my pattern is eye-shaped... but it is definitely oval on a horizontal axis, spreading wider than tall. I don't think I mashed the barrel none when I was cutting it off... Though that's the only reason I can think of... Anyhow, both my pumps had a similar pattern. Must be something I did weird, but it suits me fine.
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So all of you are comfortable with the idea of only having three guns?
Nope I want as many as I can afford.
It's just a fun little mental exercise asking which three of your guns you would take with you or keep with you if that's all you could have.
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It's just a fun little mental exercise asking which three of your guns you would take with you or keep with you if that's all you could have.
@txradioguy
Yep. a fun exercise. But limited to home defense, IIRC.
A whole nuther thing from generic hunting as a topic (which cannot be limited to three), or say, Survival, which would also be a tough nut to crack, with an entirely different array of parameters.
Ultimately, that's why three are never enough...
Howabout this:
Survival. You can carry as many guns/gun accessories as you like, and as much ammo as you like, in whichever (specified) terrain you care to choose. But you are limited to what you can carry on your back, and must remain for a full year.
Considering personal defense, perimeter defense, and provision, what say you?
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@txradioguy
Howabout this:
Survival. You can carry as many guns/gun accessories as you like, and as much ammo as you like, in whichever (specified) terrain you care to choose. But you are limited to what you can carry on your back, and must remain for a full year.
Considering personal defense, perimeter defense, and provision, what say you?
Hmmm... tough one but:
Northwoods
1. Henry .45-70
2. Ruger 7-1/2†.45LC (maybe S&W 686 .357 mag)
3. Stoeger 12 gauge double coach gun
Mini-30 could fit too but, no semi-autos given the duration.
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My Henry .22 Mag ... is there room?
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Hmmm... tough one but:
Northwoods
1. Henry .45-70
2. Ruger 7-1/2†.45LC (maybe S&W 686 .357 mag)
3. Stoeger 12 gauge double coach gun
Mini-30 could fit too.
Hi @Lando Lincoln ! Haven't seen you in a while... How much ammo are you packing for all that?
I am Rockies (of course), and you are right - tough choice.
I would fairly quickly revert to bow, sling, and traps for provision... So I would mainly have a gun for emergency provision and defense.
I would probably have to choose a 12ga single shot., with a .22LR insert. and a sawed-off pump. Half a box of slugs, half a box of 00, half a box of birdshot, and a couple hundred rounds of .22LR... Most of that ammo I would ditch in a central location.though quite a bit of it would be expended early, till I got situated for hunting otherwise.
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Howabout this:
Survival. You can carry as many guns/gun accessories as you like, and as much ammo as you like, in whichever (specified) terrain you care to choose. But you are limited to what you can carry on your back, and must remain for a full year.
Considering personal defense, perimeter defense, and provision, what say you?
Edwards Plateau, Tx
TC Contender - 22Hornet, 45/410, and 357 Herrett barrels
Ruger Blackhawk 45LC
Win1200 12 ga.
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Hi @Lando Lincoln ! Haven't seen you in a while... How much ammo are you packing for all that?
I am Rockies (of course), and you are right - tough choice.
I would fairly quickly revert to bow, sling, and traps for provision... So I would mainly have a gun for emergency provision and defense.
I would probably have to choose a 12ga single shot., with a .22LR insert. and a sawed-off pump. Half a box of slugs, half a box of 00, half a box of birdshot, and a couple hundred rounds of .22LR... Most of that ammo I would ditch in a central location.though quite a bit of it would be expended early, till I got situated for hunting otherwise.
I know. Heavy side arms and ammo. Hmmm...
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From my Conceal Carry class
1. Pump-action .410 shotgun, duck or goose load.
2. .357 Magnum revolver loaded with .38 special or .357 Magnum
3. 9mm or so automatic pistol.
They recommended things that wouldn't deafen or cause you to flinch when you fire. The .357 is for outside work. You also want to avoid killing everyone else in the house by penetrating sheet rock.
At inside distances, 9 mm will penetrate 6 separate layers (3 walls).
https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/ (https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/)