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Thousands Of Ships, Millions Of Troops: China Is Assembling a Huge Fleet For War With Taiwan
David Axe | Jul 27, 2021,08:00am EDT
To have any chance of conquering Taiwan, China might need to transport as many as two million troops across the rough 100 miles of the Taiwan Strait and land them under fire at the island’s 14 potential invasion beaches or 10 major ports.
That’s a lot of people—far, far more than the People’s Liberation Army Navy can haul in its 11 new amphibious ships. To transport the bulk of the invasion force, Beijing almost certainly would take up into naval service thousands of civilian ships.
To that end, the Chinese Communist Party has created a legal and bureaucratic framework for taking over control of commercial shipping. Meanwhile, naval engineers have begun modifying key vessels to make them better assault ships.
All that is to say, the vast flotilla that would be both the vehicle for China’s assault on Taiwan—and the biggest target of Taiwanese forces and their allies—is taking shape. . . .
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/07/27/thousands-of-ships-millions-of-troops-china-is-assembling-a-huge-assault-flotilla-for-a-possible-attack-on-taiwan/
So which side would the Biden coup ally itself with?
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This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
-Admiral Josh Painter:
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Meanwhile, our troops are learning CRT. China and Russia are building huge new Nuclear arsenals, and our Congress is discussing reducing ours.
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Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.
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Taiwan's land mass of 12 thousand sq. m, is 0.3% of China's at 4.4 million sq. m.
Yet the latter need millions to win eh???
Some 2,500 years past another Asian doofus decided to teach those uppity Greeks a lesson.
So Darius of Persia confronted the Prince of Macedon at Gaugamela (Iraq) outnumbering him by some 5 to 1.
In less than a day, Alexander annihilated the Persian Horde, destroying their Empire while leaving Darius
and his Court hanging from trees. Do much for size!!!
Pass it on the the Ruling clown in Beijing.
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This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
-Admiral Josh Painter:
Amen. God help us all!
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Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.
No worries, China Joe has everything under control.
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The idea that it would take millions of Chinese military forces to seize Taiwan is simple minded and void of any history knowledge. A surprise attack by airborne forces, followed by a decent landing force would take Taiwan in days if not hours. Does anyone remember the tactics of the Germans during WWII? A student of airborne surprise attack against key facilities and individuals would know that it is definitely possible.
And the USA like ALWAYS would be caught with its pants down or soundly asleep to do a damn thing about it. It would be like the Crimea and Russia. The USA would mumble and go on with life as usual. Meanwhile the lines on a map once again get redrawn. Feckless Democommies would not lift a finger against these fellow communists.
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https://twitter.com/FishingOnFaith2/status/1420195571625775109
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Does anyone remember the tactics of the Germans during WWII? A student of airborne surprise attack against key facilities and individuals would know that it is definitely possible.
The Germans abandoned this after suffering huge losses at Crete. Taiwan is four times larger than Crete, much denser populated, and better defended.
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The notion that China is a military threat, to the world, is both laughable and ignorant.
The Asian power, since Commodore Perry's visit, has been Japan which kicked China's
butt regularly since 1850, notwithstanding WW2.
Further, Taiwan is culturally/ethnically Chinese; being the home of Chiang Kai-shek who
ruled the Mainland from 1928 till his defeat by Mao in 1949, when he fled to Taiwan
which he and his Nationalist Party ruled till his death in 1975.
Taiwan, along w/Hong Kong, are Chinese foremost rather than bastions of Capitalism.
The assertion that they will fight to the death of preserve their economic system is hysteria.
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Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.
no it isn't as US will fight back. That is the final solution for China.
Like the Japanese in WWII, resources will be the second course as China will require considerably more before it engages in that type of war. Perhaps conquest in the ME or energy-rich African country. Australia beckons as well, but the US would mist certainly step-in as an ally to prevent.
In Taiwan, the Chicons finally have a US president in power that will not come to Taiwan's aid. They have been awaiting this for generations.
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Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.
During the Clinton Administration, iirc, Hutchinson Whampoa secured the rights to the ports Cristobal and Balboa, at the ends of the Panama Canal. More about the company, owned by a Hong Kong Billionaire who is in tight with Bejing, herre: https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/chinas-panamanian-canal-2/ (https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/chinas-panamanian-canal-2/)
Here is the State Dept statement before the Armed Services Committee by Clinton's Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Lino Guiterrez: https://1997-2001.state.gov/policy_remarks/1999/991022_gutierrez_panama.html (https://1997-2001.state.gov/policy_remarks/1999/991022_gutierrez_panama.html)
Many groups, among them the folks who publish The New American, expressed grave concern over what appeared at the time to be Chinese control over the Canal zone at the time.
Those facilities have been expanded to handle more shipping containers, but that capability could have a dual use for bringing in troops or materiel to effectively control Canal traffic. Needless to say, that alone would be a debilitating blow to US Naval asset movement.
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During the Clinton Administration, iirc, Hutchinson Whampoa secured the rights to the ports Cristobal and Balboa, at the ends of the Panama Canal.
They also took ownership of Global Crossing's entire assets (see: Terry McAuliffe), and essentially drove Lucent Technologies out of business by stealing their product and mass producing it.
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They also took ownership of Global Crossing's entire assets (see: Terry McAuliffe), and essentially drove Lucent Technologies out of business by stealing their product and mass producing it.
We have to keep in mind they have been playing the long game. Under Clinton they acquired/achieved LEO (Low Earth Orbit) insertion capability (LORAL and Hughes Aerospace deals), which means they can hit anywhere on the globe. They have also demonstrated killer satellite capability. They have built their "commercial" fleet, engaging in economic warfare, and it is being adapted for dual use. They hold over a trillion in US debt, second only to Japan. They have "opened their markets" to us companies' manufacturing, importing the technology of those companies while manufacturing the goods (and stealing every concept).
Chinese good have driven us goods out of the markets on a price basis, (it's hard to beat slave labor and no environmental restrictions, not to mention all the 'sensitivity' issues we've seen pop up over the last two decades, and now wokeness and COVID {I'm not sure which will prove most lethal} are being used to destroy the foundations of the American economy.)
America needs to quit messing around and get its head on straight. It's time to shut all the Marxists down.
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We have to keep in mind they have been playing the long game. Under Clinton they acquired/achieved LEO (Low Earth Orbit) insertion capability (LORAL and Hughes Aerospace deals), which means they can hit anywhere on the globe.
Loral and Hughes also gave China MIRV technology, allowing them to place multiple warheads in the same ICBM. That technological advance took them from 80 warheads to 800 overnight.
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Loral and Hughes also gave China MIRV technology, allowing them to place multiple warheads in the same ICBM. That technological advance took them from 80 warheads to 800 overnight.
At the same time, the 10 package buses were removed from ours, and they were limited to three, and the MX was canceled, leaving the US with only two of the top ten ballistic missiles in service. https://www.military-today.com/missiles/top_10_icbms.htm
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China has nothing to gain by invading Taiwan and everything to gain by convincing Taiwan to surrender without a shot being fired. All China needs is compliant politicians to take Taiwan. It will be a death by a thousand cuts.
China also doesn't need to invade to bring Taiwan to the table. They can send thousands of drones at Taiwan to soak off their AA and then eliminate the Air Force. Then the island is at their mercy. But I think that would just cause an arms race in Asia and China wants to avoid that at all costs. China wants everyone nice and lightly-armed.
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The notion that China is a world power is driven by the subconscious absurdity
that size determines power; a notion beyond ridiculous, as history attests.
Compare the size of Ancient Greece to the entities it crushed; such as Alexander at Gaugamela.
Then do likewise for Rome versus the Tribes of Europe.
In 1901, Victoria reigned over some 55% of the Globe!
Reflect a moment on the land mass of England, Scotland and Wales versus that 55%!
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Queen Victoria, if she were alive today, would say, "What the hell are you talking about?"
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If this doesn't belong here please move.
Sorry for the thread hijack...sort of. Perhaps China could put those troops to better use assisting the populace with the flooding and the death and destruction resulting from it. I watched videos showing busses that had all their windows blacked out that people said were used to haul corpses, but in true communist falsification the people were told not to believe their eyes but believe the government when it tells them there were only around a hundred dead. Watch in the videos how many flower bundles are place for the dead or missing........dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yn-3Pmlwu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgdgvyzk7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKagRy7VapU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6rNJzoSGjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXK9DC3Y2MU&t=97s
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Crete was a disaster first day, true enough. But the Germans had a number of great successes before that. And in fact, the Germans seized the island. They accomplished what they were after, in a short period of time. And the German losses I believe were less than those of our airborne at Normandy.
It was the first time Allies had a heads up on German plans as a result of captured Enigma capability. And the Allies were so impressed with the German paratrooper operation, they launched their own paratrooper organizations.
Surprise is key, and crack troops with covert forces sent in one by one secretly with a plan to seize key leaders, key communications, etc, and Taiwan falls. And what will the USA do if it falls? Not a damn thing!!!!!!!! Not with the communist controlled Biden as POTUS.
With 23.8 million in population, it would be easy to get a couple thousand operators to blend in on the island. They would not stand out like in a small population area with folks culturally different. There would be no telling the CCP operators from the native population.
The key would be surprise. It can be done.
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China is an economic giant. It is a a military giant. It is about to reorder the world. The outcome is anyone's guess. There are too many "known unknowns" to make any reliable predictions. UxV (drone) technology will completely change battlefield dynamics. So will CHAMP (nonuclear EMP) technology. So will the advanced biological weapons of China, so effectively demonstrated by COVID-19.
For the first time in history, military technology is rendering the lessons of the past almost irrelevant.
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Queen Victoria, if she were alive today, would say, "What the hell are you talking about?"
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Read the Britannica in the library.
It's the stone building w/the books inside.
Just ask any school kid.
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I know my library inside and out (it's not stone, by the way). You still make no sense.
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Queen Victoria, if she were alive today, would say, "What the hell are you talking about?"
Lessee - China was never a global power so there’s no reason to believe they will ever become one.
Is it a logical fallacy? Normalcy bias? There’s gotta be a word for it.
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Taiwan's just an appetizer. The USA is the main course.
@mountaineer
Nope. They want our resources and manufacturing ability,roads,etc,etc,etc.
They aren't going to invade Tiawan,either. Big show of force,and then they are going to get the Biden Administration to state that Taiwan is a part of China anyway,and the US will NOT come to their aid.
Taiwan will have no choice but to surrender,and Hunter gets a seat on the PLA board.
Joe gets a Nobel Prize for avoiding war. Hell,this might even morph into a re-election for him if the timing works out.
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Crete was a disaster first day, true enough. But the Germans had a number of great successes before that. And in fact, the Germans seized the island. They accomplished what they were after, in a short period of time. And the German losses I believe were less than those of our airborne at Normandy.
It was the first time Allies had a heads up on German plans as a result of captured Enigma capability. And the Allies were so impressed with the German paratrooper operation, they launched their own paratrooper organizations.
Surprise is key, and crack troops with covert forces sent in one by one secretly with a plan to seize key leaders, key communications, etc, and Taiwan falls. And what will the USA do if it falls? Not a damn thing!!!!!!!! Not with the communist controlled Biden as POTUS.
With 23.8 million in population, it would be easy to get a couple thousand operators to blend in on the island. They would not stand out like in a small population area with folks culturally different. There would be no telling the CCP operators from the native population.
The key would be surprise. It can be done.
@jafo2010
They are already there. Been there for decades. By now,their children and grandchildren are running the show.
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Lessee - China was never a global power so there’s no reason to believe they will ever become one.
Is it a logical fallacy? Normalcy bias? There’s gotta be a word for it.
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Hmm..........how insightful.
Now let's assume that Harry has never been to work on time.
So which bet should we make for tomorrow?
A) that Harry will be late as usual, or
B) that Harry will be on time.
All those betting that China will be a Global Power, real soon, please raise your hands!!!!!!
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Hmm..........how insightful.
Now let's assume that Harry has never been to work on time.
So which bet should we make for tomorrow?
A) that Harry will be late as usual, or
B) that Harry will be on time.
All those betting that China will be a Global Power, real soon, please raise your hands!!!!!!
Quite possibly the silliest illustration of a point I’ve yet seen. Is Harry building a blue water navy?
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Quite possibly the silliest illustration of a point I’ve yet seen. Is Harry building a blue water navy?
Is Harry adapting cargo vessels for RO-RO capability for military vehicles?
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Is Harry adapting cargo vessels for RO-RO capability for military vehicles?
If history tells us one thing it’s when an aggressive nation of means makes it plain they intend to be militarily dominant the prudent course is to take them seriously.
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If history tells us one thing it’s when an aggressive nation of means makes it plain they intend to be militarily dominant the prudent course is to take them seriously.
Better to be loaded for bear and deal with a mouse than loaded for mouse and run up on a bear.
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China is an economic giant. It is a a military giant. It is about to reorder the world. The outcome is anyone's guess. There are too many "known unknowns" to make any reliable predictions. UxV (drone) technology will completely change battlefield dynamics. So will CHAMP (nonuclear EMP) technology. So will the advanced biological weapons of China, so effectively demonstrated by COVID-19.
For the first time in history, military technology is rendering the lessons of the past almost irrelevant.
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"China is a military giant."????
Name the last nation/state China conquered in any war in any century!!!
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"China is a military giant."????
Name the last nation/state China conquered in any war in any century!!!
China. 50,000,000 dead.
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If history tells us one thing it’s when an aggressive nation of means makes it plain they intend to be militarily dominant the prudent course is to take them seriously.
With Joe in charge and whoever is pulling his strings we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell. God help us!!
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Better to be loaded for bear and deal with a mouse than loaded for mouse and run up on a bear.
lol Never plan based upon what you think your opponent will do, but rather on what they are capable of doing.
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lol Never plan based upon what you think your opponent will do, but rather on what they are capable of doing.
Amen!
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China is an economic giant. It is a a military giant. It is about to reorder the world. The outcome is anyone's guess. There are too many "known unknowns" to make any reliable predictions. UxV (drone) technology will completely change battlefield dynamics. So will CHAMP (nonuclear EMP) technology. So will the advanced biological weapons of China, so effectively demonstrated by COVID-19.
For the first time in history, military technology is rendering the lessons of the past almost irrelevant.
You might want to do a little research.
China has a per capita GDP of about $11,000.
In comparison the per capita GDP of the US is about $50,000.
That is a not an "economic giant". It is 3rd world.
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China. 50,000,000 dead.
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Smokin, indeed.
Korea is a testament to China's military ineptitude
where they had one Rifle for every 3 Infantrymen.
As a result, they led all combatants in casualties.
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Quite possibly the silliest illustration of a point I’ve yet seen. Is Harry building a blue water navy?
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Predictably, you raised you hand.
So obviously we're all doomed.
Omigod!
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You might want to do a little research.
China has a per capita GDP of about $11,000.
In comparison the per capita GDP of the US is about $50,000.
That is a not an "economic giant". It is 3rd world.
We have 330,000,000 people, more or less. They have over 4 times as many.
But while per capita GDP may be important here, I'm not so sure that it is that important there, where the CCP has its hands in everything, right beside the PLA and PLAN. Our economy is not centrally planned by the people who control what actually gets spent on what.
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Smokin, indeed.
Korea is a testament to China's military ineptitude
where they had one Rifle for every 3 Infantrymen.
As a result, they led all combatants in casualties.
When you send the peasants out to fight, without regard for how many come back, what difference does that make? There will be plenty around to pick up. The Soviets did much the same against the Nazis. The Chinese in Korea engaged in wave attacks, much like the Japanese Banzai charges. (My Dad did tell me that much about the war, although he seldom spoke about it).
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Hmm..........how insightful.
Now let's assume that Harry has never been to work on time.
So which bet should we make for tomorrow?
A) that Harry will be late as usual, or
B) that Harry will be on time.
All those betting that China will be a Global Power, real soon, please raise your hands!!!!!!
@Absalom
I see you are still maintaining your record of never being right.
Congraduations on your consisistincy!
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We have 330,000,000 people, more or less. They have over 4 times as many.
But while per capita GDP may be important here, I'm not so sure that it is that important there, where the CCP has its hands in everything, right beside the PLA and PLAN. Our economy is not centrally planned by the people who control what actually gets spent on what.
A country with about 1/5th the per capita GDP is not an economic power house. It is dirt poor for the majority of people there.
And in modern warfare, throwing bodies at it isn't very affective. Bodies on boats are just targets. A bit like the road out of Kuwait.
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A country with about 1/5th the per capita GDP is not an economic power house. It is dirt poor for the majority of people there.
And in modern warfare, throwing bodies at it isn't very affective. Bodies on boats are just targets. A bit like the road out of Kuwait.
@DB
Nothing more than temporary floating coffins,and it doesn't matter what nation we are talking about.
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"China is a military giant."????
Name the last nation/state China conquered in any war in any century!!!
Ask King George the 3rd of Great Britain a similar question.
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@Absalom
I see you are still maintaining your record of never being right.
Congraduations on your consisistincy!
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Hmm.........be patient as your clown day (Halloween) is nearing.
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All the posts are about China's past stats. IMHO those stats aren't very reliable for current conditions. China is ramping up their military BIGLY, their numbers are HUGE. I say it is very much a reason for concern, that and China Joe is at the helm.
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Ask King George the 3rd of Great Britain a similar question.
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Hmm..........love to but he died 200 years ago.
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All the posts are about China's past stats. IMHO those stats aren't very reliable for current conditions. China is ramping up their military BIGLY, their numbers are HUGE. I say it is very much a reason for concern, that and China Joe is at the helm.
Greece was nothing before around 400 BC, the suggestion that Italy would be the next big thing provoked laughter in 150 BC, Britain was populated by a bunch of yokel farmers before 1600. And we don't need to revisit what the Brits were saying about Americans before the latter half of the 1800s.
The claim China isn't a future military threat because they haven't amounted to anything in the past is historically ignorant.
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Greece was nothing before around 400 BC, the suggestion that Italy would be the next big thing provoked laughter in 150 BC, Britain was populated by a bunch of yokel farmers before 1600. And we don't need to revisit what the Brits were saying about Americans before the latter half of the 1800s.
The claim China isn't a future military threat because they haven't amounted to anything in the past is historically ignorant.
:yowsa:
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All the posts are about China's past stats. IMHO those stats aren't very reliable for current conditions. China is ramping up their military BIGLY, their numbers are HUGE. I say it is very much a reason for concern, that and China Joe is at the helm.
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During WW2, Japan engaged Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Russia, China;
among many nation/states. The first 4 held their own or better, while Japan kicked
China's ass for 8 years, just as they did during the previous 100 years.
So which is a better predictor of the future;
past performance or fevered imagining of what might happen????
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Things have changed a bit in the past 75 or 80 years. *****rollingeyes*****
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During WW2, Japan engaged Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Russia, China;
among many nation/states. The first 4 held their own or better, while Japan kicked
China's ass for 8 years, just as they did during the previous 100 years.
So which is a better predictor of the future;
past performance or fevered imagining of what might happen????
IF our Republic was in tact and we didn't have China Joe leading, I'd see the picture a little rosier. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind of the financial connections/deals with Joe and China. In this case, I don't think China's past performance is indicative of what their future force is going to be like and especially since I believe it will be in concert with the U.N.
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Things have changed a bit in the past 75 or 80 years. *****rollingeyes*****
Admiral Kurita brought his Center Force from Brunei up through the South China Sea, within a 100 miles of the Spratlys, on his way to attack the US Seventh Fleet in the last major naval engagement of WWII. Lets see him try that today.
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Greece was nothing before around 400 BC, the suggestion that Italy would be the next big thing provoked laughter in 150 BC, Britain was populated by a bunch of yokel farmers before 1600. And we don't need to revisit what the Brits were saying about Americans before the latter half of the 1800s.
The claim China isn't a future military threat because they haven't amounted to anything in the past is historically ignorant.
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Hmm.....................
* Athens became the ascendant Greek City/State around 430 BC as a result of the 2nd Peloponnesian
War, as well as the dominant force on all lands adjacent to itself in the Aegean Sea.
* Rome crushed Hannibal's Carthaginian Forces at Zama in 202 BC, gaining control of Mediterranean
Trade from Hispania to Palestine.
* In 1588 England annihilated the Armada of Spain who were on their way to invade them, thereby establishing
world Naval superiority allowing them to create the greatest Empire in the history of the world within 300 years.
Anyway it's past time to draw the curtain on this charade, w/the clown posse throwing anything against the screen
that will stick to get attention then leaving serious posters to clean up the mess.
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All the posts are about China's past stats. IMHO those stats aren't very reliable for current conditions. China is ramping up their military BIGLY, their numbers are HUGE. I say it is very much a reason for concern, that and China Joe is at the helm.
China is certainly a concern. A big concern. But China has no real ability to project power much beyond the south China sea.
China's primary economic achievement is stealing technology from others. That only goes so far and isn't the path to leading.
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The U.S should be already making their presence known....do we even have the military needed to compete??
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Hmm.....................
* Athens became the ascendant Greek City/State around 430 BC as a result of the 2nd Peloponnesian
War, as well as the dominant force on all lands adjacent to itself in the Aegean Sea.
* Rome crushed Hannibal's Carthaginian Forces at Zama in 202 BC, gaining control of Mediterranean
Trade from Hispania to Palestine.
* In 1588 England annihilated the Armada of Spain who were on their way to invade them, thereby establishing
world Naval superiority allowing them to create the greatest Empire in the history of the world within 300 years.
Anyway it's past time to draw the curtain on this charade, w/the clown posse throwing anything against the screen
that will stick to get attention then leaving serious posters to clean up the mess.
You take yourself far too seriously.
Carry on.
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The U.S should be already making their presence known....do we even have the military needed to compete??
@libertybele
Who died and made the US the "Daddy of everybody"?
This sort of thing is WHY the UN was created,and we need to be knocking on their nuts until they start doing what they get paid all that money to do.
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@libertybele
Who died and made the US the "Daddy of everybody"?
This sort of thing is WHY the UN was created,and we need to be knocking on their nuts until they start doing what they get paid all that money to do.
China is a threat. The US needs to be prepared. As for the UN, keep them the hell out!!
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Do they still publish encyclopedias? Really?What an archaic tool! My dad was born in 1913. He had appendicitis as a teenager. I remember him telling me he remembered them pulling a BBQ up and taking a hot iron out to cauterize the wound. Using an encyclopedia today would be like that.
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China is a threat. The US needs to be prepared. As for the UN, keep them the hell out!!
@libertybele
Spoken like someone who has never,and will never be on the pointy side of a bayonet or bullet.
BTW,they are NOT going to attack the US if they have any choice at all. They want to OWN the US,and there are only two ways they can do this.
1. Via war. A war that would eventually go nuclear,and NOBODY wins a nuclear war. Even if you do,there would be nothing left there for you to obtain to pay back the money spent to win.
2: Via buying us through the creatures we call "politicans".
Which result seems the most likely to you? Especially since the ONLY form of government the Chinese know is a slave goverment ran by what really amounts to a communist board of directors .
Finally,the UN was CREATED to prevent international/world wars. We,and other nations spend all that money,so they might as well do what they were created to do.
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I do not believe the UN has much will to prevent war. Their role tends to come into play when two waring sides attempt to end a conflict.
And looking at the correct history is essential. Who China defeated in the past X hundred years is almost irrelevant to reality. The FACT is that China today is a nuclear power with a quickly growing military force. That should be a serious concern to all that know history.
The Brits and French sat back and watched Hitler rearm Germany, with weaponry that was far superior to anything they possessed. I see parallels between Germany and China. But the truth of the matter is that the US Military in many ways is still far superior to the Chinese military. Yes, the Chinese have numbers to their advantage, but our equipment is superior. We have 10-11 aircraft carriers to the one in the Chinese Navy, which from what I read, is still not fully operational.
At some point, I can see China flexing their muscle like Hitler/Germany did to Poland in 1939. It could start with Taiwan, or some other country. It just depends on what they want. Xi has been head of China for some time now, since 2012. I could be wrong, but I do not think he is the nutjob that Hitler was. And I believe the Chinese mentality is that they can achieve world domination without firing bullets.
However, the primary concern is the fact the Chinese most certainly own the entire Biden Crime Family. OWN THEM!!!! That affords the Chinese a huge bandwidth to operate without interference from the USA. If Xi were to seize Taiwan as Russia seized the Crimea, I do not see Biden doing anything more than what Obama did, which was next to nothing.
And if Japan is smart, they will start rearming. China has NOT forgotten what the Japs did during WWII, and I do not blame them really. Because of the USA muscle at the end of WWII, Japan was never made to answer for what they did to China and other nations.
I believe the release of COVID-19 was intentional. I believe the Chinese did it to gauge the response by nations in the world. I can see the intentional release of something more virulent in the future that will kill 50 - 99% of the global population. And if they have an antidote for most of their population, they could weather the release and emerge very dominant in every way within the world. I see this happening sometime between 2040 - 2050.
After observing the response by the CDC in the USA, I think the Chinese realize exactly how weak we are as a nation for bio warfare. And considering the treason of Dr. Fauci to fund a Chinese military bio weapons lab, the USA is even more vulnerable than the average idiot in the USA realizes. Fauci, the Chinese, and others, are completely responsible for the deaths of millions in the world from this virus, and yet, this genocidal maniac is STILL having a voice in USA policy.
The USA spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined. But if COVID proved anything, it proved how weak we are as a nation for bio weapons. Limited PPE stocks, which were used and not replenished in 2009, a CDC that could not find its posterior with both hands and a seeing eye dog, and a military that was also vulnerable to the virus. And the total failure of our government with this pandemic to be honest with the American people should invoke some level of terror into the hearts of our citizens knowing just how poorly we responded as a nation. And the political idiocy of particularly the Democommies that used every step of the way as a political issue. When Trump shut down travel from China and idiot Biden condemning Trump as a xenophobe, I thought, how can anyone take this idiot seriously?
Now, we have the idiot, who is a CCP pawn, as POTUS. I say the barn door is wide open for the wolves to enter and raid everything. I think the Chinese would be foolish not to take advantage of this situation. The pressure on Xi has to be huge to take action. Anyone that doubts the Chinese see what they are up to as global domination, think again.
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The U.S should be already making their presence known....do we even have the military needed to compete??
The way Milley, think everyone is mispronouncing his name, with his actions it should be pronounced like Milly you know feminine. Anyway the way they are feminizing and 8888spinning cat fying our troops I think we had best start recuiting some Indians, we know they can kick the Chicoms asses.
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@libertybele
Spoken like someone who has never,and will never be on the pointy side of a bayonet or bullet.
BTW,they are NOT going to attack the US if they have any choice at all. They want to OWN the US,and there are only two ways they can do this.
1. Via war. A war that would eventually go nuclear,and NOBODY wins a nuclear war. Even if you do,there would be nothing left there for you to obtain to pay back the money spent to win.
2: Via buying us through the creatures we call "politicans".
Which result seems the most likely to you? Especially since the ONLY form of government the Chinese know is a slave goverment ran by what really amounts to a communist board of directors .
Finally,the UN was CREATED to prevent international/world wars. We,and other nations spend all that money,so they might as well do what they were created to do.
Biden and others have already been bought. Regardless of what the UN was created to do; I have absolutely zero confidence in them as they are grossly corrupt.
Go nuclear? China Joe has already sold us out.
China is interested in taking over the U.S., slave govt -- that isn't so far fetched as to what will happen if/when they occupy this country with UN help -- strictly my opinion.
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I believe the release of COVID-19 was intentional. I believe the Chinese did it to gauge the response by nations in the world. I can see the intentional release of something more virulent in the future that will kill 50 - 99% of the global population. And if they have an antidote for most of their population, they could weather the release and emerge very dominant in every way within the world. I see this happening sometime between 2040 - 2050.
After observing the response by the CDC in the USA, I think the Chinese realize exactly how weak we are as a nation for bio warfare. And considering the treason of Dr. Fauci to fund a Chinese military bio weapons lab, the USA is even more vulnerable than the average idiot in the USA realizes. Fauci, the Chinese, and others, are completely responsible for the deaths of millions in the world from this virus, and yet, this genocidal maniac is STILL having a voice in USA policy.
@jafo2010
I agree with everything you wrote,but the parts above most of all.
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@jafo2010
I agree with everything you wrote,but the parts above most of all.
It sure makes sense that when the Chicoms found out Covid really only took out the elderly, they attacked once again with a vaccine and a so-called 'Delta Variant', both of which increased mortality rates of younger people as well.
This is how one wins wars.
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After observing the response by the CDC in the USA, I think the Chinese realize exactly how weak we are as a nation for bio warfare. And considering the treason of Dr. Fauci to fund a Chinese military bio weapons lab, the USA is even more vulnerable than the average idiot in the USA realizes. Fauci, the Chinese, and others, are completely responsible for the deaths of millions in the world from this virus, and yet, this genocidal maniac is STILL having a voice in USA policy.
If anything is obvious now it it that the democrat party, the bureaucratic state, and quite a number of republicans are concerned with one thing and one thing only - perpetuating their hold on power. They will ally themselves with anyone, with any threat to our country, if they see a political advantage in it.
I do not believe the USA has even begun to reap the consequences of this corruption. Frankly I can't even think of a historical precedent for it.
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It sure makes sense that when the Chicoms found out Covid really only took out the elderly, they attacked once again with a vaccine and a so-called 'Delta Variant', both of which increased mortality rates of younger people as well.
This is how one wins wars.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Without having to fight one and take losses on your side.
Once you understand the Chinese don't even understand the concept of morality,it all kinda falls into line. They don't give a squat about their own people dying,so why would they care about foreigners dying.
And what better way to fight a war that let a virus do it for you on the cheap? Sure,you have to pay off a few corrupt US gooberment officials,but that's no big deal because most of them are cheap whores with no vision whatsoever. They are more akin to the old Mafia middlemen than they are statemsmen. Give them a "little taste" and they are happy to commit treason.
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If anything is obvious now it it that the democrat party, the bureaucratic state, and quite a number of republicans are concerned with one thing and one thing only - perpetuating their hold on power. They will ally themselves with anyone, with any threat to our country, if they see a political advantage in it.
I do not believe the USA has even begun to reap the consequences of this corruption. Frankly I can't even think of a historical precedent for it.
@skeeter
Globalism on a personal level is entirely new. The world has had globalist kings and queens ever since mankind discovered there IS a globe,and it is populated with people and wealth.
Given all they had back then was sailing ships and no maps to navigate by at that time,they did a remarkable job of colonizing what little world they knew about.
Along come the "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" generation of western politicians and industrialists who would pimp out their daughters and granddaughters for pocket change,and there is China,a police state since the dawn of time,full of slave labor and lusting for expansion so they can feed their hungry masses to avoid a possible revolution. China takes advantage of the situation by selling their free labor to western markets so cheap that the western businesses that don't WANT to deal with China are facing two choices,go bankrupt or shut their US factories and send them to China so their tooling can be operated by Chinese slave labor,and then shipped to the US at no cost to China on Chinese ships operated by Chinese slave labor.
This has created a system where there is no possible way American manufacturers can compete with the Chinese because American and other western manufacturers don't have slave labor or free shipping.
Consider this for an example. There was recently an add that offered brand new 4x4 riding mowers for sale that had 22 HP Briggs and Stratton engines,really big flotation tires,a "tub body" so the operator could sit inside a housing and not be hit by branches or other debris,and a brush deflector up front to keep brushes from hitting the operator in the face.
The price?
$98.99,with free shipping from China via AIR through DLS,which USED to be an American shipping company,and maybe still is.
You can't even rebuild a Briggs and Stratton 22 HP engine for that kind of money,if you do all the work yourself.
Somebody PLEASE splain to this simple fool WTF Congress isn't hitting China with MASSIVE tarrifs in order to level the field and keep Americans working,and WHY this isn't treason.
BTW,while you are at it,PLEASE splain why the freaking US Unions aren't screaming bloody murder!
Although I suspect that even this poor old fool knows the answer,and it is "Mitch the Bitch" with his Chinese wife,and Nancy Pelosi,whose husband represents,or used to represent China in the US.
Along with accomplices in the RNC,the DNC,and the labor unions,of course.
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Can't add anything to your post - all true. 'Cept my wife watched a recent address by Elaine Chao to a group of young Chinese students in Beijing, in Mandarin, and couldn't believe what she was hearing from the wife of the leader of the US senate inside the country of our most likely enemy. We're being well snookered by these frauds.
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Can't add anything to your post - all true. 'Cept my wife watched a recent address by Elaine Chao to a group of young Chinese students in Beijing, in Mandarin, and couldn't believe what she was hearing from the wife of the leader of the US senate inside the country of our most likely enemy. We're being well snookered by these frauds.
@skeeter
NOT true. They are doing this right out in the open for everybody to see,but nobody seems to care.
EVERYBODY knows that Mitch,the Bitch,manly hunk that he is who could be a supermodel if he wanted,is married to a MUCH younger beautiful Chinese woman.
Just like everybody knows that Nancy Pelosi's husband represents China in the US,and is the one that brokered the deal that allowed them to buy the old Long Beach Naval Base in Ca so they would have a place to ship their Chinese crap without having to pay storage fees.
It now looks like the Chinese have also bought DHL shipping,because they are offering free air shipping to China via DHL.
WHY isn't Congress up in arms about these unfair trade practices,and putting HUGE tariffs on Chinese imports?
We all know the answer to that one,don't we?
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If anything is obvious now it it that the democrat party, the bureaucratic state, and quite a number of republicans are concerned with one thing and one thing only - perpetuating their hold on power. They will ally themselves with anyone, with any threat to our country, if they see a political advantage in it.
I do not believe the USA has even begun to reap the consequences of this corruption. Frankly I can't even think of a historical precedent for it.
I can. When the invasion of the sovereign State of Maryland by the Armies of PA and MA was imminent, the Governor sent out word to the Militia (MD Army) to store their arms in the armories and await the call to arms. The invasion came, the call to arms did not. Civilians pried up paving stones to attack the invading troops in Baltimore as they marched through. The first KIA of what is now known as "The Civil War" happened there.
Maryland's legislature was placed under house arrest and not permitted to vote on secession, the Constitution was suspended, and the State occupied not only for the duration of the War, but until its Constitution had been rewritten.
Over 49,000 Marylanders served in the Confederate forces. (Consider, 92,502 ballots were cast in the Presidential election in 1860, and Lincoln came in last in the field of 4 in the State with 2294 votes, less than half of third place Stephen Douglas). Governor Hicks' toadying up to Lincoln was perfidy, pure and simple.
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@skeeter
NOT true. They are doing this right out in the open for everybody to see,but nobody seems to care.
EVERYBODY knows that Mitch,the Bitch,manly hunk that he is who could be a supermodel if he wanted,is married to a MUCH younger beautiful Chinese woman.
Just like everybody knows that Nancy Pelosi's husband represents China in the US,and is the one that brokered the deal that allowed them to buy the old Long Beach Naval Base in Ca so they would have a place to ship their Chinese crap without having to pay storage fees.
It now looks like the Chinese have also bought DHL shipping,because they are offering free air shipping to China via DHL.
WHY isn't Congress up in arms about these unfair trade practices,and putting HUGE tariffs on Chinese imports?
We all know the answer to that one,don't we?
It isn't that no one cares, it is that those with the power to do anything about it are corrupt, and in on the scam. The rest of us will pay for that, quite possibly in blood during a conflict that becomes more inevitable if there is to be any freedom on this Earth..
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It isn't that no one cares, it is that those with the power to do anything about it are corrupt, and in on the scam. The rest of us will pay for that, quite possibly in blood during a conflict that becomes more inevitable if there is to be any freedom on this Earth..
@Smokin Joe
I ain't happy about it,but there it is,the inevitable.
I just don't see any other possibility.
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@skeeter
Somebody PLEASE splain to this simple fool WTF Congress isn't hitting China with MASSIVE tarrifs in order to level the field and keep Americans working,and WHY this (selling out to China) isn't treason.
BTW,while you are at it,PLEASE splain why the freaking US Unions aren't screaming bloody murder!
Although I suspect that even this poor old fool knows the answer,and it is "Mitch the Bitch" with his Chinese wife,
and Nancy Pelosi,whose husband represents,or used to represent China in the US.
Along with accomplices in the RNC,the DNC,and the labor unions,of course.
It's not Nancy Pelosi, it's Kamala Harris
whose husband is a lawyer who was employed by China
until the Dems "won" the election.
In true Stalin fashion.
"The people who vote do not decide anything.
The people who count the votes decide everything."
Nancy Pelosi's husband is the real estate developer
who makes millions from buying real estate
right next to where the federal government
is going to build major projects in the future.
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Quote from: skeeter on July 29, 2021, 06:01:42 PM
Greece was nothing before around 400 BC,
the suggestion that Italy would be the next big thing provoked laughter in 150 BC,
Britain was populated by a bunch of yokel farmers before 1600.
And we don't need to revisit what the Brits were saying about Americans before the latter half of the 1800s.
The claim China isn't a future military threat because they haven't amounted to anything in the past is historically ignorant.
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Hmm.....................
* Athens became the ascendant Greek City/State around 430 BC as a result of the 2nd Peloponnesian
War, as well as the dominant force on all lands adjacent to itself in the Aegean Sea.
* Rome crushed Hannibal's Carthaginian Forces at Zama in 202 BC, gaining control of Mediterranean
Trade from Hispania to Palestine.
* In 1588 England annihilated the Armada of Spain who were on their way to invade them, thereby establishing
world Naval superiority allowing them to create the greatest Empire in the history of the world within 300 years.
So you admit that skeeter's main point is correct:
Second rate powers DO rise to world dominance!
His only error was that his dates are a little off.
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It's not Nancy Pelosi, it's Kamala Harris
whose husband is a lawyer who was employed by China
until the Dems "won" the election.
In true Stalin fashion.
"The people who vote do not decide anything.
The people who count the votes decide everything."
Nancy Pelosi's husband is the real estate developer
who makes millions from buying real estate
right next to where the federal government
is going to build major projects in the future.
@unite for individuality
I read years ago that he is the one that brokered the sale of the old Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese.
Who knows what other deals he is working for them?
BTW,here are some publicly known FACTS for you.
The BATF has an investigation going on for a couple of years that led them to develop evidence that the Chinese Governemnt through the arms company Norinco,which is wholy owned by the Chinese government,was not only bringing in semi-auto AK's and the excellent Chinese copy of the old Colt 1911A1 to sell in America,but were also smuggling in full-auto AK-47's to sell to gangbangers and street gangs.
So,as they were required to do by law since it involved a foreign nation,they reported their findings and their plan to raid the NORINCO warehouses at Long Beach the very next morning. Nancy Pelosi was chairing that committee,and the briefing the BATF gave them happened late in the afternoon,East Coast Time.
A hour or so after the briefing,the Norinco officials in Ca started transferring their money out of the country,and leaving the country themselves.
When the BATF hit Norinco the following morning,they found not one living soul there,or at their homes. IIRC,one or two were still in Canada awaiting their flights,but ALL were out of reach.
Ifn ah didin no betta,ah mite spect sumbodie dropped a dime to Norinco the afternoon before.
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It's not Nancy Pelosi, it's Kamala Harris
whose husband is a lawyer who was employed by China
until the Dems "won" the election.
In true Stalin fashion.
"The people who vote do not decide anything.
The people who count the votes decide everything."
Nancy Pelosi's husband is the real estate developer
who makes millions from buying real estate
right next to where the federal government
is going to build major projects in the future.
Seems to me Dianne Feinstein's Hubby was heavily invested in Chinese companies while his wife's actions affected the profitability of those investments directly, she had the Chinese spy for a Driver, and hubby owned a chunk of Dominion, too.
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Absalom...
Smokin, indeed.
Korea is a testament to China's military ineptitude
where they had one Rifle for every 3 Infantrymen.
As a result, they led all combatants in casualties.
During WW2, Japan engaged Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Russia, China;
among many nation/states. The first 4 held their own or better, while Japan kicked
China's ass for 8 years, just as they did during the previous 100 years.
So which is a better predictor of the future;
past performance or fevered imagining of what might happen????
Seriously, I think China has advanced since the days of the Korean War. And like the USSR/Stalin during WWII, do you honestly think the commies give a rat's *ss to the number of casualties? Really? The USSR/Stalin also had men go into battle with no weapons, and when the man ahead of them was shot dead, they were expected to pick up that man's weapon and fight on against the Germans. The USSR played a key role in defeating the Germans. The Chinese have far more bodies they can feed to the meat grinder.
And get real, Japan did not fight the Russians in WWII. Russia only declared war on Japan in the last weeks of the Pacific Theater, for they wanted to get in on the taking. And take they did. They captured all of Japan's research on nuclear bombs in the Korean peninsula where the Japanese successfully tested a nuclear device.
Fevered imagining? Seriously? A totalitarian regime with military prowess that answers to no one but a small committee is fully capable of doing anything. Xi may not have a desire to conquer the world, but the totalitarian that follows him may well have designs to conquer the world. Nothing is static with a would be enemy.
However, I do know this. If we identify a nation as an enemy state, I think it is folly to educate their people. Students from China would be reduced to 10% of current levels. And trade should be taken down to no more than 25%. Otherwise, they will own the world without firing a bullet, and then the totalitarian life comes to your doorstep. And with the CCP stooge Biden, anything is possible. I can see Chinese troops brought into the USA to police this nation. Talk about shoot on sight when someone is looting! It can happen with a weak sister like Biden.
China may not have initiated trouble YET, but they have the example of Putin's Russia and the fact the USA sat back and did nothing. Frankly, I do not think we should have. I think if Russia gobbles up Ukraine, then so be it. They were given the chance to join NATO, and they thumbed their nose at the idea. We owe Ukraine NOTHING! And with Biden as POTUS, I see China taking Taiwan if it wants, again with no response from Biden. He will give China his support before the mission is launched. What choice does he have, they own his whole family.
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Seriously, I think China has advanced since the days of the Korean War. And like the USSR/Stalin during WWII, do you honestly think the commies give a rat's *ss to the number of casualties? Really? The USSR/Stalin also had men go into battle with no weapons, and when the man ahead of them was shot dead, they were expected to pick up that man's weapon and fight on against the Germans. The USSR played a key role in defeating the Germans. The Chinese have far more bodies they can feed to the meat grinder.
And get real, Japan did not fight the Russians in WWII. Russia only declared war on Japan in the last weeks of the Pacific Theater, for they wanted to get in on the taking. And take they did. They captured all of Japan's research on nuclear bombs in the Korean peninsula where the Japanese successfully tested a nuclear device.
Fevered imagining? Seriously? A totalitarian regime with military prowess that answers to no one but a small committee is fully capable of doing anything. Xi may not have a desire to conquer the world, but the totalitarian that follows him may well have designs to conquer the world. Nothing is static with a would be enemy.
However, I do know this. If we identify a nation as an enemy state, I think it is folly to educate their people. Students from China would be reduced to 10% of current levels. And trade should be taken down to no more than 25%. Otherwise, they will own the world without firing a bullet, and then the totalitarian life comes to your doorstep. And with the CCP stooge Biden, anything is possible. I can see Chinese troops brought into the USA to police this nation. Talk about shoot on sight when someone is looting! It can happen with a weak sister like Biden.
China may not have initiated trouble YET, but they have the example of Putin's Russia and the fact the USA sat back and did nothing. Frankly, I do not think we should have. I think if Russia gobbles up Ukraine, then so be it. They were given the chance to join NATO, and they thumbed their nose at the idea. We owe Ukraine NOTHING! And with Biden as POTUS, I see China taking Taiwan if it wants, again with no response from Biden. He will give China his support before the mission is launched. What choice does he have, they own his whole family.
Japan's fight with Russia happened in the Russo-Japanese war in 1904-1905, and it did not go well for the Russians.
While those who say Korea was an example of Chinese ineptitude, The Chinese pushed US ("UN") forces back from the Yalu to the 38th parallel, and despite any inefficiencies in the expenditure of manpower and materiel, were a formidable enemy, if nothing else, by their command's willingness to suffer casualties for gains on the battlefield.
Quantity has a quality all its own. The Chinese have the quantity, the manufacturing base to arm it, and the type of government that can wield it, however inefficiently. They also have access to our technology and manufacturing techniques unhindered by the various environmental concerns, imposed social mores, and other behavioural quirks which have become commonplace in Western society which would hinder the use of our resources in a war effort while the Chinese would not find those to be a problem (because all that would not be allowed to get in the way of the war effort). Complaints here are rewarded with "settlements", there would get rewarded with 147 grains of 7.62, or have a similar outcome. Failure to recognize those changes and differences is folly. Underestimate an enemy, and they will bury you.
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The Last Days - China, Russia, Syria, millions, attack Israel.
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The Last Days - China, Russia, Syria, millions, attack Israel.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
That thought had crossed my mind, too.
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So you admit that skeeter's main point is correct:
Second rate powers DO rise to world dominance!
His only error was that his dates are a little off.
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What in tarnation are you yapping about???
Past is prologue as History affirms.
Great nation/states create themselves thru will and wisdom, having nothing to do w/accident or chance.
China has never been anything but a looser, because of its autocratic rule which extinguished any spark
of creativity for thousands of years. As a result, they developed cheating, lying and stealing into an art form.
The power on the Pacific Rim has been and remains Japan. GOT IT YET!!!
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[quote authosmor=Smokin Joe link=topic=443746.msg2470527#msg2470527 date=1628192325]
Japan's fight with Russia happened in the Russo-Japanese war in 1904-1905, and it did not go well for the Russians.
@Smokin Joe
ONLY because Adam Schiff's grandfather lent the Japanese government enough money to build a new fleet of warships.
Seriously. This was a man who had to flee Russia to avoid arrest and execution,and leave all his real property behind. He and his family escaped with the gold and jewels they could put their hands on,and STILL had enough money to live like royalty in the west while lending enough money to a sovereign nation to build a modren navy.
I can't even begin to imagine how much actual wealth the Schiff family has today,deposited in banks all around the world.
While those who say Korea was an example of Chinese ineptitude, The Chinese pushed US ("UN") forces back from the Yalu to the 38th parallel, and despite any inefficiencies in the expenditure of manpower and materiel, were a formidable enemy, if nothing else, by their command's willingness to suffer casualties for gains on the battlefield.
Well,to be fair,the US Army was nothing more than an unprepared and underequipped shell of an Army when the Chinese crossed the Yalu in numbers higher than the number of rifle rounds the US Army had available. And the South Korean army was in even worse shape.
Quantity has a quality all its own. The Chinese have the quantity, the manufacturing base to arm it, and the type of government that can wield it, however inefficiently. They also have access to our technology and manufacturing techniques unhindered by the various environmental concerns, imposed social mores, and other behavioural quirks which have become commonplace in Western society which would hinder the use of our resources in a war effort while the Chinese would not find those to be a problem (because all that would not be allowed to get in the way of the war effort). Complaints here are rewarded with "settlements", there would get rewarded with 147 grains of 7.62, or have a similar outcome. Failure to recognize those changes and differences is folly. Underestimate an enemy, and they will bury you.
All true.
They also would be facing off with an America with Slow Joe in the WH.
We should just go ahead and surrender now and be done with it.
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The Last Days - China, Russia, Syria, millions, attack Israel.
@Victoria33
Isreal doesn't even amount to a pimple on the world's ass. Yeah,they can hold off the Palestinians,but even then they need help.
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The Last Days - China, Russia, Syria, millions, attack Israel.
Yes.
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@Smokin Joe
ONLY because Adam Schiff's grandfather lent the Japanese government enough money to build a new fleet of warships.
Seriously. This was a man who had to flee Russia to avoid arrest and execution,and leave all his real property behind. He and his family escaped with the gold and jewels they could put their hands on,and STILL had enough money to live like royalty in the west while lending enough money to a sovereign nation to build a modren navy.
I can't even begin to imagine how much actual wealth the Schiff family has today,deposited in banks all around the world.
Enlightening, and I had no idea the Shiff family was so well heeled.
Well,to be fair,the US Army was nothing more than an unprepared and underequipped shell of an Army when the Chinese crossed the Yalu in numbers higher than the number of rifle rounds the US Army had available. And the South Korean army was in even worse shape.
All true.
To be really fair, the Army had been downsized after WWII, and in the original invasion of the South, the Chinese were few and far between in the ranks of the North Koreans. Yep, the Army wasn't ready for that one, (either the ROK or US) and got hammered back into the Pusan pocket where, miraculously, they held, keeping the port open and the North Koreans tied up. McArthur's invasion at Inchon, which was by no means guaranteed success, (tides left the coast unapproachable mud flats for over 12 hours a day, the sort of substrate neither vehicles nor infantry can cross. I have crossed only about 100 feet of such, and it took most of an hour, without any battle rattle) was the turning point there. Ships would have been aground and at the mercy of anything that could reach them from land, so they had to withdraw with the tides.
The Inchon invasion cut the supply lines for the North Koreans in the south around the Pusan Perimeter, and gave the Army the chance to fight its way north, which they did, pushing the North Korean Army back to the Yalu River (the Chinese Border). Lemay and others had noticed the buildup of troops, India had warned of the Chinese willingness to enter the war, and they did, initially committing 250,000 troops to the effort, and eventually some 3 million troops to push American Forces back to the area of the current DMZ. LeMay wanted to nuke the Chinese, Truman said NO.
But initially, there were few Chinese (perhaps as advisors) in the North Korean Ranks.
They also would be facing off with an America with Slow Joe in the WH.
We should just go ahead and surrender now and be done with it.
Surrender Hell, they would be facing off against the American People at some point. A hoodrat on every corner, a rifle behind every blade of grass.
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Surrender Hell, they would be facing off against the American People at some point. A hoodrat on every corner, a rifle behind every blade of grass.
@Smokin Joe
Hoodrats facing off against trained soldiers with rifles?
ROFLMAO!
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@Smokin Joe
Hoodrats facing off against trained soldiers with rifles?
ROFLMAO!
They know the terrain, they are organized in small units, their tactics may suck, but they'd learn fast or die.
They have a shabby version of MOUT but would have to learn fast.They know the resources in their area, the rabbit holes and hiding spots, they don't mind killing (something Mr. and Mrs Whitebread would have to get over), and they already have trade networks set up under the radar.
They'd learn to shoot, fast.
If they worked together, they'd be more formidable than the gang vs gang crap we see now.
They are waaay ahead of the 'burbs.
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They know the terrain, they are organized in small units, their tactics may suck, but they'd learn fast or die.
They have a shabby version of MOUT but would have to learn fast.They know the resources in their area, the rabbit holes and hiding spots, they don't mind killing (something Mr. and Mrs Whitebread would have to get over), and they already have trade networks set up under the radar.
They'd learn to shoot, fast.
If they worked together, they'd be more formidable than the gang vs gang crap we see now.
They are waaay ahead of the 'burbs.
@Smokin Joe
I have to disagree on that one.
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Hmm.............the size argument again, this time in disguise; so a reflection.
If size is a determinant of power, then obviously we need to keep our eye on the likes of Algeria, Brazil, Greenland, Sudan
and perhaps Antarctica as well. Anyway a serious review of history.
In 1870, Germany emerged as the ranking Continental power following unification and defeat of France in the Franco-Prussian War.
Their success was the result of the leadership of Kaiser Wilhelm I, Otto Von Bismarck and Gerd Von Moltke.
Decades passed and w/it their leadership, as 1914 dawned, w/the most fateful change being the replacement of Wilhelm I by his grand-son Wilhelm II, who was infinitely inferior in intelligence and more importantly, temperament.
A core precept of Prussian strategy had always been avoid an east/west two front War, as Germany was at the center of Europe.
As such, Von Bismarck had secured an Alliance w/Russia, in the 19th century, who had a shared border w/Germany which
Wilhelm II let lapse while dismissing Von Bismarck as Chancellor; a catastrophically rash error of judgment.
Then the French immediately stepped in replacing Germany as Russia's ally, guaranteeing the German defeat in both World Wars.
The key role Russia played was acting as the major punching bag for casualties in both Wars and little else.
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....................The USSR played a key role in defeating the Germans.........................
Hmm.............the size argument again, this time in disguise; so a reflection.
If size is a determinant of power, then obviously we need to keep our eye on the likes of Algeria, Brazil, Greenland, Sudan
and perhaps Antarctica as well. Anyway a serious review of history.
In 1870, Germany emerged as the ranking Continental power following unification and defeat of France in the Franco-Prussian War.
Their success was the result of the leadership of Kaiser Wilhelm I, Otto Von Bismarck and Gerd Von Moltke.
Decades passed and w/it their leadership, as 1914 dawned, w/the most fateful change being the replacement of Wilhelm I by his grand-son Wilhelm II, who was infinitely inferior in intelligence and temperament.
A cardinal precept of Prussian strategy had always been to avoid east/west War, as Germany was at the center of Europe.
As such, Von Bismarck had secured a Treaty w/Russia in the 19th century, who had a shared border w/Germany, which Wilhelm II let lapse while dismissing Von Bismarck as Chancellor; a catastrophically rash error of judgment.
Then the French immediately stepped in replacing Germany, guaranteeing the latter's defeat in both World Wars.
The key role Russia played was acting as the major punching bag for casualties in both Wars and little else.
Had Russia not been a threat under Czar Nicholas, Kaiser Wilhelm would not have bothered to send Lenin financial help to return to Russia from Switzerland and stir up trouble. Wilhelm's goal was to undermine the Russian government to get them to quit the war (WWI) and deal with troubles at home. It was a wild success. Russia effectively withdrew form the war. Some writers contend that a great deal of the financing for the Bolshevik Revolution came from Wall Street bankers https://books.google.com.au/books?id=WZjg_vo7Q8MC&dq=Wall%20Street%20and%20the%20Bolshevik%20Revolution&source=gbs_book_other_versions (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=WZjg_vo7Q8MC&dq=Wall%20Street%20and%20the%20Bolshevik%20Revolution&source=gbs_book_other_versions)
A good deal of the rest of the 20th century and beyond has been heavily affected by Lenin's success at disrupting the Russian Monarchy and ushering in Communism--in fact, had Lenin not been so successful at overthrowing the Czar, we might not be facing the Maoist Chinese, or the current regime in DC, and Marx's ideology might have been a footnote, rather than the unfortunate driving force it is today.
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The retreat from Afghanistan is just a rough rehearsal for Biden. The retreat across the Pacific after the Fall of Taiwan will be the dress rehearsal. The retreat from the west coast will be the opening night, followed by matinee's as the retreat from the Middle East and Europe finds it way to the east coast.
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The retreat from Afghanistan is just a rough rehearsal for Biden. The retreat across the Pacific after the Fall of Taiwan will be the dress rehearsal. The retreat from the west coast will be the opening night, followed by matinee's as the retreat from the Middle East and Europe finds it way to the east coast.
@AARguy
I REALLY wish I could disagree with ANY of that,but I can't.
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The retreat from Afghanistan is just a rough rehearsal for Biden. The retreat across the Pacific after the Fall of Taiwan will be the dress rehearsal. The retreat from the west coast will be the opening night, followed by matinee's as the retreat from the Middle East and Europe finds it way to the east coast.
The collapse across the globe is certainly a possibility, but it won't be militarily. It will be through their belt and road initiative. Why attack us or anyone else when they can destroy us from within through our schools, media, politics and financially.
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The collapse across the globe is certainly a possibility, but it won't be militarily. It will be through their belt and road initiative. Why attack us or anyone else when they can destroy us from within through our schools, media, politics and financially.
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During the 125 years from our Constitution to our entry into the Great War, we evolved into
the greatest economic power in the world while our focus remained domestic and insular.
Then 1917 dawned, internationalizing us, yet certainly not for the better.
If we choose, we can certainly remain the greatest economic power in the world, while
looking inward and dispensing w/our international neuroses.
Suggest it's long overdue that we refocus and start minding our own God Damn business.
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During the 125 years from our Constitution to our entry into the Great War, we evolved into
the greatest economic power in the world while our focus remained domestic and insular.
Then 1917 dawned, internationalizing us, yet certainly not for the better.
If we choose, we can certainly remain the greatest economic power in the world, while
looking inward and dispensing w/our international neuroses.
Suggest it's long overdue that we refocus and start minding our own God Damn business.
I agree with a lot of this.
I would add if we are going to look beyond our borders it should be to develop better ties to the north and south.