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Exclusive Content => Editorials => Topic started by: INVAR on June 27, 2016, 08:57:30 pm
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This is a rebuttal of Carol Brown's Op-ed at the American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/why_we_must_support_donald_trump.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/why_we_must_support_donald_trump.html) whereby the author delves into the same kind of intimidating demagoguery of Principled Conservatives that the Trump Militant themselves have engaged in vain attempts to intimidate and shame those who say they are NeverTrump into supporting the King Presumptive.
They do not understand that it doesn't work and I think essays like that one are just going to harden and solidify current opposition to Trump from the Christian Conservative base that was told by Trump himself that they were not wanted nor needed. The Trump Militant have not been able to convince the reluctant to vote FOR Trump, rather all they have is their nascent fear of Hillary. Voting against Hillary becomes their sole reason and insistence that Conservatives vote Trump, tossing like a well stocked cache of hand grenades that any refusal to vote for Trump is a vote FOR Hillary.
It is easy to pick up on the absolute disdain and borderline vehement hatred of those who on principle, will not vote for Trump in November and it often reminds me of the same kind of attitude one expects when arguing with a rabid secular Leftist over matters of morality. That anyone would stand on a moral principle is deemed a danger to society when they will not embrace that which is anathema to their foundations.
This essay from Brown illustrates that fact clearly, and I'll rebut a large part of it here.
it’s clear these folks (who stand on soap boxes of personal integrity) are putting self before country.
A gross absurdity. We're putting our principles, faith in God for the rectitude of our actions and the Constitution ahead of "country" for once which has become nothing more than "support the party" and 'oppose the greater evil with our own evil'.
In all Statist regimes, everything must be subservient to the state, including one's faith in God and principles, which people like Brown are insisting we surrender for the 'greater good'. This is what happens in all burgeoning tyrannies when they get started in earnest.
The threat of Islam, terror, and open borders drives home the fact that without national security, all else is moot. And on this front alone, Donald Trump’s views are dramatically different from Hillary Clinton’s
No they are not. His views based on his past fruits and support of the Clinton's are the same as hers. Trump's *suggestions* change as often as the wind. His so-called Muslim ban - GONE. His promise of building a wall and making Mexico pay for it - even his staunch Militants here have told us they do not believe Trump will make good on that. Trump is no different than Hillary given his wavering unclear positions.
As if casting a vote that helps ensure that a criminal, socialist Islamist sympathizer gets to plop herself down in the Oval Office in order to continue the destructive and downright evil work of the past eight years is an act brimming with integrity.
Clearly this stooge for Trump has no clue what time we have arrived at. More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society. Half of the so-called opposition party are perfectly happy with a dictatorship, as long as it is their dictator. Americans with real integrity will not be party to supporting either candidate, but rather supporting one whose fealty to the Constitution is a provable fruit of character and action. Trump 's stated policies indicate he will rule with a pen and a phone, and indeed his vast army of militants WANT him to act as Mussolini.
We will have no part of supporting that.
And if they are, then the reality is that it will be Clinton or Trump. Choose one. “Conscientious objector” is an adolescent cop-out.
Sez you? What do you plan to do about it? Insult us into betraying our own principles? I choose neither moron running for the throne. You can keep trying to put that silly gun to our heads and threaten to pull the trigger for treason - but that just makes you every bit the enemy of liberty and the Constitution that Hildabeast and Obama are, if not moreso.
Our nation is at war
No, wrong. Our nation has been overthrown from within with vast amounts of help from your party and from Trump himself, who not only financed the Clintons, but who less than 3 years ago, supported, funded, campaigned and endorsed known Communist Bill DeBlasio for NYC mayor.
(albeit a one-sided one we refuse to fight).
Your party has made that its primary practice, which is why I renounced my registration in your party and will never vote for anyone but a vetted and provable staunch Conservative ever again.
All adults are needed on deck.
Your party threw all the Conservative adults out. Your leaders threatened to punch us in the nose and then your prince presumptive told us he did not need nor want us to support him in order to win.
It is unreasonable to let that anger turn into a petulance that would let the left rule the nation for another eight years.
It's inevitable that the Left will rule. Your party made that a permanent reality over the last 8 years and each election cycle they continue to foist greater leftists upon us as candidates until today there is no discernable difference in fruits between the Democrats or Republicans. The GOP Establishment want liberals, and apparently a large chunk of your party wants a NYC liberal for their prince, simply because he is a thin-skinned vulgar man who took on the media in the beginning, but since has become the Leftie he truly is.
So to those holier-than-thou conservatives who refuse to vote for Donald Trump because their personal integrity will not allow them to do so, I say: if you want more jihad, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win. If you want to be sure our borders remain open, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win. And if you want the next president to be someone who got Americans killed and then lied about it, don’t vote for Trump, and help Hillary win. And when Hillary Clinton is sworn in as the next president, you can pat yourself on the back, know you did the right thing, and raise a glass to your integrity, which will have served your ego but not the nation.
You really need to pander to more Bernie supporters for your prince, because crap like that just solidifies principled Conservative resolve from simply voting our conscience to outright activism against your political savior. Hillary will win because Trump is a horrifying candidate who would lose in a landslide if November had any legitimacy, and because more will choose the Mao Pantsuit on the ballot than will choose a vulgar NYC liberal. The election is already lost. That much is a certainty.
Your party has given us no option except another crass and disgusting Leftist for the office. All you have as a campaign is attempts to frighten and intimidate the base Trump already discarded and said he did not need or want the support of. You can try all the day long to hang a Hillary coronation on our heads - but the truth will be that we will have no hand whatsoever in supporting either abomination running for the throne. We will have served our principles, our God and our fealty to the Constitution by refusing to cast a ballot for either, and we will sleep well knowing that we did not fall for the trap of trading our principles for expedience as we did in the last four election cycles.
Whatever rude, obnoxious, manipulative behavior Trump engaged in is in the past.
Wrong. It's everyday. And we know what he did to every Conservative running in the race; the personal and the viciousness assaults on character and families that we are never going to forget. That is who Trump is, and we are not risking lending a hand to put such a man in power. Assuredly he will more easily turn that vulgar unhinged rage against anyone who dares oppose him as we have already witnessed so far - and such is the making of a despot far more dangerous than even Hildabeast will be in that office.
Voting for him doesn’t mean you condone such behavior,
Yes it does.
you support everything he has expressed,
Yes it does.
you trust him implicitly, or that you even like the guy.
Yes it does. It means you trust him implicitly enough hand him the duties of office and uphold the Constitution of which Trump has already demonstrated his complete illiteracy of and having no regard for, excepting his own views of it.
It means you understand what’s at stake and have the maturity to move beyond your own ego in order to be a true patriot.
A true patriot is not one who thinks casting ballot for a NYC liberal is saving the country. A true patriot is standing up for the foundational principles that made us who we are without wavering or compromise. What is at stake is preventing an unstable, vulgar, Constitutionally illiterate, self-absorbed power mad billionaire the most powerful office in the world. That is what is at stake. Some of us understand and believe what Hamilton said about where we find ourselves:
“If we must have an enemy at the head of government let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.” - Alexander Hamilton
I choose not be responsible for the enemy at the head of this government, such as it is.
We either have a shot at a future or we don’t.
Yawn. Same crap we heard from McCainiacs and Romneybots. If you think a ballot determines the future, you have no business calling yourself a patriot because yo have no understanding of liberty or how we even obtained it in the first place.
Trump gives America a chance to survive.
No. Trump is the final nail in the coffin of Conservatism and our foundational principles. He and his are already busy redefining what those things are as they resculpt them into the image of Trump.
And I will not be party to that in any way , shape or form.
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Well put, Sir. We are at war, but joining the enemy will not help us defeat them.
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Right on, brother. Right on!
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Thanks for fleshing this out to a full column!
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Thank you INVAR
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It seems to me that the people who still support Trump are now supporting a man who has reversed nearly every position he began the race with. In some cases its a second or third reversal.
For instance. In 2012 he said Romney was too aggressive on immigration and border control. When he started his race this time he breathed fire and has repeatedly said he would build a wall and deport all illegals. Now his talk on building a wall is admittedly more for effect than actual policy and he's saying that Obama has been too tough on immigration.
He doesn't appear to have any solid basis of principle aside from wanting to be popular and you can't build a house on a foundation of jello. To top it off I still can't shake the gut feeling that he never intended to win.
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If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view. I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.
But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him. It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.
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If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view. I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.
But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him. It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.
Likewise, I do not care if someone wants to vote for Trump because they think it keeps Hillary out of office.
I draw the line at the kind of ridicule and condescension you read in that essay from Brown and the Trump militant because we choose to vote for someone other than Trump.
If the Trump Militant would have had the same level of respect you just outlined, it is doubtful we would have this internecine war they started and a lot of places we used to hang out at or call home would still be there. The fact they are going to such incredible lengths to attempt shame, intimidation and belittling condescension towards those Conservatives who refuse to vote for Trump on Principle, speaks to the fact that they have no more regard for liberty or the Constitution than those they claim they are attempting to stop getting into the White House.
The death threats for 'treason' because I will not pull the lever for their king presumptive was the final straw for me. I had my issues with Trump but it was his militants that pushed me into activism against their Chosen. I will not be bullied or intimidated and we already went through this same kind of crap from the Establishment hacks in 2008 and 2012. Today it is much more shrill and dangerous. Moreso than the crap you hear from the Commies.
This essay is just one of probably a hundred or more we are going to be treated to in the coming months, getting more vehement and shrill as the days grow shorter and their panic grows larger.
What I find notable is that it is not Hillary that their most hated fire is being directed at, but those of us their own nominee said he did not want or need the support of.
One Trump Militant said that their goal was to "blow it all up". Well they certainly did. But not the way they hoped, because all they did was ensure that Hildabeast's coronation is never questioned as to it's legitimacy.
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I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump. Almost makes me sick to type it. I sure don't blame others that don't.
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I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump. Almost makes me sick to type it. I sure don't blame others that don't.
If only the Trump Militant were as mature as you illustrated.
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Well reasoned piece INVAR, thanks for sharing it. There was a time I would of held my nose and voted whomever the Rs threw in front of me. That time was long ago, and I have wrote-in votes that last two elections.
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@INVAR I can not and will not vote for either of the current presumptive candidates. I have two non-negotiable issues determine who I will vote for or against. Abortion and the n2nd Amendment. Both candidates are pro choice and agaisnt the 2nd Amendment.
In addition both pander to the cause du jour or the audience du jour.
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If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view. I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.
But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him. It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.
Ditto
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Clearly this stooge for Trump has no clue what time we have arrived at. More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society. Half of the so-called opposition party are perfectly happy with a dictatorship, as long as it is their dictator. Americans with real integrity will not be party to supporting either candidate, but rather supporting one whose fealty to the Constitution is a provable fruit of character and action. Trump 's stated policies indicate he will rule with a pen and a phone, and indeed his vast army of militants WANT him to act as Mussolini.We will have no part of supporting that.
This is the most important point you can make, and this is the reason I cannot vote for Trump or Hillary. Statism is statism. Since my high school civics class, I've recognized that political belief isn't a line, it's a circle with statism at one pole and freedom at the other. "Left" statist or "right" statist, it doesn't matter. Both are equally dangerous.
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I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump. Almost makes me sick to type it. I sure don't blame others that don't.
Jim Geraghty had a Morning Jolt (I think it was Jim, not Jonah) sometime back that discussed the mutual respect that we could afford each other with opinions like yours. A breath of sanity and maturity, indeed. I believe that your position is my mother's, as well.
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If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view. I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.
But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him. It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.
If someone is twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse and justify someone like Trump, that is hardly Conservative behaviour, rather a questionable attempt to salvage an ego wounded by a very bad choice at the expense of their own integrity.
Misplaced loyalty requires the fundamental honesty to admit error in order to be resolved. Without that, it is ever more difficult to regain one's principles and regain peace co mind.
Conservative is as Conservative does. When one does not, one isn't.
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This is the most important point you can make, and this is the reason I cannot vote for Trump or Hillary. Statism is statism. Since my high school civics class, I've recognized that political belief isn't a line, it's a circle with statism at one pole and freedom at the other. "Left" statist or "right" statist, it doesn't matter. Both are equally dangerous.
Agreed. For me the spectrum is one of freedom versus totalitarianism, regardless of their alleged philosophies.
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Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."
Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.
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Thanks for posting the response to the piece published in the increasingly pro-Trump American Thinker.
One index of the widening chasm between Republican/conservative voters in 2016 is that the publications that reflect a generally conservative point of view have become equally divided along pro/anti-Trump lines.
He is the most internally divisive candidate potentially fielded by the GOP since Barry Goldwater, and perhaps, ever. Unlike Goldwater's candidacy however, the source of such divisiveness is less directly ideological, and more personal - specifically based in perceptions of the man's character (or if you are so inclined, a lack thereof).
While there were a few East Coast Establishment Republicans who in 1964 fretted about the potential twitchiness of Barry Goldwater's finger on the nuclear button, most of their objections centered around his ringing endorsement of small-government conservatism in an age of ambitious big-government academic ascendency.
In our time, many Republicans and former GOP members who have become independents look at Donald Trump and see a man whose stated views on a variety of subjects are as hazy and changeable as the skies over a Jersey refinery. Some might say that their smell is not entirely dissimilar.
But what really stinks for many of us is the torrent of verbal effluence that spews from Donald's Twitterized motor-mouth on a daily basis. It doesn't help that he has so many targets of rage, and it is especially deflating that so few of them are named "Hillary Clinton", and that so many are life-long movement conservatives for whom he is essentially forcing a painful decision: sit out or sell out.
Actually, I don't think it will come to that, although it might yet. Something is stirring out there, and it might just result in a Cleveland revolt that none of us could have seen coming.
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If you feel you have to vote for Trump to keep Hillary out of the White House, well, that's your view. I don't agree with it, but at least it's an intellectually honest stance.
But I don't have a lot of respect for conservatives who know full well what Trump is, and are twisting themselves into pretzels to excuse him and justify him. It can't be done and they know it, so they really ought to stop making themselves look foolish.
I have zero respect for either. Why? Because the hold the nose types are repeating the problem that got us here on purpose.
They KNOW they will not win and yet knowing that will vote Trump ANYWAY? Their vote could be helping lay groundwork for the next election, assuming there is one. As it stands, they are ensuring more of the same from the GOP. They are giving their approval of another Trump next time.
History does not lie.
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Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."
We're not the ones insisting that refusing to vote for your prince means we are 'traitors' and Hildabeast supporters. The talk of 'must' originated with you, the Trump Militant and those like Carol Brown. I simply rebutted the insipid assertions of similar acolytes for Trump who spend an inordinate amount of time impugning, insulting or condescending principled Conservatives who oppose your Chosen. Or as andy58 rightfully put it - are faced with the choice of sitting out or selling out their principles. Principles which you militants consistently have ridiculed and declared childish, treasonous and selfish. It's the kind of revulsion we have come to expect from radical immoral secular Leftists and here we have people wrapped up in the slogan of 'make America Great Again' saying and doing the same exact thing we expect from Leftists. All these hysterics and declarations of 'childish' and 'Hillary supporters' have done nothing but solidify our resolve and grow our ranks.
Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.
Condescension and ridicule is all you Trump militants have. You lack everything else and have made us enemies rather than citizens on a common bridge of liberty. You and your prince have made it 'us' or 'them'. In this, you will find yourselves standing very alone. We will never trust you again and will never regard you as someone who shares a belief in the Constitutional principles that were intended to keep our liberties secure. You consistently call or insinuate we are traitors to one degree or another, yet demonstrate you have no principles except to champion a vulgar man with a lifelong record of supporting Leftist causes and Demorats as your savior.
You applied a quote from Emerson to us. In response, this 'foolish consistency of little minds' has the following quote consistently in the forefront of our minds and it speaks to our opposition to your prince.
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To top it off I still can't shake the gut feeling that he never intended to win.
That's three in a row from the GOPe. McStain and Romney didn't want to win either. No fire in the belly. (Well, McStain has some fire still in the belly, but he reserves it for conservatives.)
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The "foolish consistency" is that which has been consistently applied to principled conservatives since McCain. That somehow, if we fail to vote against our principles, we will fail to uphold them.
Obviously, that logic has been a failure, the philosophical drift of the Party to the Left has been a failure, except to remove clear distinctions in policy and action between the political entities which form what has been referred to as 'the Uniparty'.
Rather than gain the support of those who want a return to a Federal Government within Constitutional constraints, fiscal responsibility, and legal, if not moral accountability for the actions of the officers of government, the movement to the left has pulled a faction away from those who will stand upon principle and demand that which should be so. That faction, a plurality of primary voters has demanded that the majority follow suit and join with them in the quest for political perdition.
We refuse to partake in such folly, and are being excoriated for that refusal.
So be it. We didn't leave the Party, it left us.
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To top it off I still can't shake the gut feeling that he never intended to win.
I think his purpose was just to damage Cruz (whom the Democrats feared) to help Hillary (whom he donated to), but so many people jumped on the train he ended up being the presumptive nominee. It's all ad lib from here.
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I think his purpose was just to damage Cruz (whom the Democrats feared) to help Hillary (whom he donated to), but so many people jumped on the train he ended up being the presumptive nominee. It's all ad lib from here.
Yeah, he's probably as shocked as anybody to be where he is today.
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I have some differences with what you wrote though certainly understand your position.....
You wrote......."We're putting our principles, faith in God for the rectitude of our actions and the Constitution ahead of "country" for once."....
Do you think the freedom of those principles will be permitted to thrive if Hillary is elected.... or that the Constitution will even survive under her administration when it is clear she has no regard for it whatsoever ?......
Additionally ....Is it not our duty before God to vote for the choices he's given us since we have a dual Citizenship and he calls us to do so as a "Citizen of this country" our civic duty? .....Especially in light of the truth that it is he who removes kings and establishes kings?
You further wrote....." Trump is no different than Hillary given his wavering unclear positions."
I disagree,.... we know exactly everything Hillary stands for and she is unwavering in her agendas both here and on the World Stage...she is bad for this for this country, and it's peoples in every respect....killing the unborn will be massive here and throughout the world as she increases the availabilty to every nation, as just ONE example.
...Whereas with Trump, he has made no secret of the fact to lead and negotiate rightly one must be flexible, thus it should not be a surprise when he does so throughout his campaign, as with ALL politicians who will lean back and forth to gain voters... Further he has made clear he certainly isn't even close to Hillary's positions on key issues, which have been argued on these threads at length.
You further state...."More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society"....
Which I will say likely 85% or more of the population don't even know what that is.... Rather they are looking for someone who will DO the DOING OF what needs to happen to stop the trajectory this nation is on. It's that simple.... Our entire system of Governance has failed the people and they know it, which of course includes politicians on both sides, thus they want an "outsider" as has been clearly evident by the votes for Trump. That fact cannot be denied.
You stated...." Our nation has been overthrown from within"
Yes indeed, so in that light why would you not vote to overthrow that "Cartel" ? Look past the candidates and see the larger picture if that were to remain in place, which it assuredly will under Hillary and Bill Clinton.........
Right now there are good solid conservatives set and ready for whoever our Rep. President is to carry through with many of the Conservative issues we want to see accomplished.... They will lnot have that power should the Clinton Machinery take over,... and they too are set to act, not only here but to usher this nation into the World Governance they are King Pins to be in along with other leaders chosen.
You state...."I will never vote for anyone but a vetted and provable staunch Conservative ever again"....
Cruz had a shot at this and I was fully in his court and would do so now if he were to find a way thru the mess we have before us. But as of date we have been "given" Trump presently. ...Therefore.... I place my faith not in the man but in the God I know regarding even Trump....,.... "A king's heart is like streams of water in the Lord's hand;.... He directs it wherever He chooses."..........Prov. 21:1
You stated....."The election is already lost. That much is a certainty."
You do not know this my friend, nor does anyone else. There are multitudes of people praying and trusting that whatever comes of this election that the results will be as God intended....and that is the ONLY "Certainty" we can know....
You further stated....." A true patriot is standing up for the foundational principles that made us who we are without wavering or compromise."
A true patriot sees the whole picture of what it means to hold on to this Republic as our founders knew.... Our Principles are grounded in the God we serve, regardless of the political arena in play, they are unshakable because of 'who' we stand IN, not our choice of President..... And because of this we can and are "effective" as the light he has given us to shine in those dark places....So as long as there is one single Conservative fighting in the halls of Washington I will NOT abandon them to be overtaken by the Clinton Machine, rather I will vote for ANY Rep. Pres. that will secure the power they now hold.
Again you state......" If you think a ballot determines the future, you have no business calling yourself a patriot because you have no understanding of liberty or how we even obtained it in the first place."
We have a civic responsibility to vote as best we know regardless of the degree of understanding, and let God determine where that will take us in the future.... All is not lost until he determines this is so and currently we still are "free" to vote. ..I will do so gladly as a Patriot and Citizen of this beloved country....warts and all!
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This is the most important point you can make, and this is the reason I cannot vote for Trump or Hillary. Statism is statism. Since my high school civics class, I've recognized that political belief isn't a line, it's a circle with statism at one pole and freedom at the other. "Left" statist or "right" statist, it doesn't matter. Both are equally dangerous.
I agree. The fear of going From Obama to either Trump or Hillary is the Constitution gets eroded further, no matter which one is elected.
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We're not the ones insisting that refusing to vote for your prince means we are 'traitors' and Hildabeast supporters.
Lest we forget, that one gets his talking points from FR. So you can't really expect much in the way of intelligence in his posting. Reality denial and mocking conservatives for standing on principle is what Freepers do these days and intelligence isn't in that universe.
Granny always said you iz the company you keep afterall...
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You claim those are God-given choices, yet deception and lies are not of God. Both of the presumptive candidates have freely utilized those to get where they are. Judging by that, I'd say The Almighty has left an increasingly Godless nation, one which kicked Him out of the Classroom 50 years ago, to its own sanctimonious devices. He does that on occasion, as He did to Israel.
So kindly do not invoke Him to get me to vote for liars, slanderers, adulterers, or thieves.
Since The Garden, mankind has been left with one essential freedom, that to choose whether we will follow Him or our own devices. The lust for 'paybacks' on the GOP and the Liberals has led to this situation, not something God inspired, not that I pretend to speak for Him. By their fruits ye shall know them, and we see what the past of either candidate is, yet they are where they are, by some sort of popular acclaim, and both pander to the sodomites among us. We know where that got the Sodomites of old, yet we are expected to vote for that?
I honestly believe we could have done better had voters stuck to principle, and had a far better chance of success, not only at the polls, but in returning America to the greatness we desire. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing that. Neither candidate will be good for the Republic, and in good conscience, neither merits my vote.
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You claim those are God-given choices, yet deception and lies are not of God. Both of the presumptive candidates have freely utilized those to get where they are. Judging by that, I'd say The Almighty has left an increasingly Godless nation, one which kicked Him out of the Classroom 50 years ago, to its own sanctimonious devices. He does that on occasion, as He did to Israel.
So kindly do not invoke Him to get me to vote for liars, slanderers, adulterers, or thieves.
Since The Garden, mankind has been left with one essential freedom, that to choose whether we will follow Him or our own devices. The lust for 'paybacks' on the GOP and the Liberals has led to this situation, not something God inspired, not that I pretend to speak for Him. By their fruits ye shall know them, and we see what the past of either candidate is, yet they are where they are, by some sort of popular acclaim, and both pander to the sodomites among us. We know where that got the Sodomites of old, yet we are expected to vote for that?
I honestly believe we could have done better had voters stuck to principle, and had a far better chance of success, not only at the polls, but in returning America to the greatness we desire. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing that. Neither candidate will be good for the Republic, and in good conscience, neither merits my vote.
It's like trying to decide between Jeroboam and Rehoboam.
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Well said. And IIRC, wasn't it Trump Nation who, up until just a couple months ago pounded its collective chest and informed us our vote and support weren't valued or necessary? And wasn't that because Trump would win over enough dems to overcome whatever shortage of GOP and conservative voters?
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I have some differences with what you wrote though certainly understand your position.....
You wrote......."We're putting our principles, faith in God for the rectitude of our actions and the Constitution ahead of "country" for once."....
Do you think the freedom of those principles will be permitted to thrive if Hillary is elected.... or that the Constitution will even survive under her administration when it is clear she has no regard for it whatsoever ?......
Additionally ....Is it not our duty before God to vote for the choices he's given us since we have a dual Citizenship and he calls us to do so as a "Citizen of this country" our civic duty? .....Especially in light of the truth that it is he who removes kings and establishes kings?
You further wrote....." Trump is no different than Hillary given his wavering unclear positions."
I disagree,.... we know exactly everything Hillary stands for and she is unwavering in her agendas both here and on the World Stage...she is bad for this for this country, and it's peoples in every respect....killing the unborn will be massive here and throughout the world as she increases the availabilty to every nation, as just ONE example.
...Whereas with Trump, he has made no secret of the fact to lead and negotiate rightly one must be flexible, thus it should not be a surprise when he does so throughout his campaign, as with ALL politicians who will lean back and forth to gain voters... Further he has made clear he certainly isn't even close to Hillary's positions on key issues, which have been argued on these threads at length.
You further state...."More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society"....
Which I will say likely 85% or more of the population don't even know what that is.... Rather they are looking for someone who will DO the DOING OF what needs to happen to stop the trajectory this nation is on. It's that simple.... Our entire system of Governance has failed the people and they know it, which of course includes politicians on both sides, thus they want an "outsider" as has been clearly evident by the votes for Trump. That fact cannot be denied.
You stated...." Our nation has been overthrown from within"
Yes indeed, so in that light why would you not vote to overthrow that "Cartel" ? Look past the candidates and see the larger picture if that were to remain in place, which it assuredly will under Hillary and Bill Clinton.........
Right now there are good solid conservatives set and ready for whoever our Rep. President is to carry through with many of the Conservative issues we want to see accomplished.... They will lnot have that power should the Clinton Machinery take over,... and they too are set to act, not only here but to usher this nation into the World Governance they are King Pins to be in along with other leaders chosen.
You state...."I will never vote for anyone but a vetted and provable staunch Conservative ever again"....
Cruz had a shot at this and I was fully in his court and would do so now if he were to find a way thru the mess we have before us. But as of date we have been "given" Trump presently. ...Therefore.... I place my faith not in the man but in the God I know regarding even Trump....,.... "A king's heart is like streams of water in the Lord's hand;.... He directs it wherever He chooses."..........Prov. 21:1
You stated....."The election is already lost. That much is a certainty."
You do not know this my friend, nor does anyone else. There are multitudes of people praying and trusting that whatever comes of this election that the results will be as God intended....and that is the ONLY "Certainty" we can know....
You further stated....." A true patriot is standing up for the foundational principles that made us who we are without wavering or compromise."
A true patriot sees the whole picture of what it means to hold on to this Republic as our founders knew.... Our Principles are grounded in the God we serve, regardless of the political arena in play, they are unshakable because of 'who' we stand IN, not our choice of President..... And because of this we can and are "effective" as the light he has given us to shine in those dark places....So as long as there is one single Conservative fighting in the halls of Washington I will NOT abandon them to be overtaken by the Clinton Machine, rather I will vote for ANY Rep. Pres. that will secure the power they now hold.
Again you state......" If you think a ballot determines the future, you have no business calling yourself a patriot because you have no understanding of liberty or how we even obtained it in the first place."
We have a civic responsibility to vote as best we know regardless of the degree of understanding, and let God determine where that will take us in the future.... All is not lost until he determines this is so and currently we still are "free" to vote. ..I will do so gladly as a Patriot and Citizen of this beloved country....warts and all!
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Well reasoned, will fall on deaf ears. Don't you see the very core of #NeverTrump? It's raison d'être, if you will: its immovability.
From its inception, neverTrump is a political response that functions as a salve for hurt feelings, it's an emotional, spasmodic response to forces outside it's control. It is impenetrable to logic or reason.
You wasted your valuable time on a well constructed, well argued post that simply bounced off to no affect.
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Well reasoned, will fall on deaf ears. Don't you see the very core of #NeverTrump? It's raison d'être, if you will: its immovability.
From its inception, neverTrump is a political response that functions as a salve for hurt feelings, it's an emotional, spasmodic response to forces outside it's control. It is impenetrable to logic or reason.
You wasted your valuable time on a well constructed, well argued post that simply bounced off to no affect.
Then why bother posting to us at all on this board if it is such a waste of valuable time for you and yours?
Unless acting like bullies is what truly motivates you people?
Why don't you go and vote for whatever prince you deem is going to save and preserve you - and stop telling us what we ought to do with ours?
But no, you won't do that.
Even if you claim it to be a waste of time.
Because for you - this is about punishment and revenge and mob tactics, nothing more.
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Well reasoned, will fall on deaf ears. Don't you see the very core of #NeverTrump? It's raison d'être, if you will: its immovability.
From its inception, neverTrump is a political response that functions as a salve for hurt feelings, it's an emotional, spasmodic response to forces outside it's control. It is impenetrable to logic or reason.
You wasted your valuable time on a well constructed, well argued post that simply bounced off to no affect.
Nonsense. Many of us are #NeverTrump for reasons that have nothing to do with sour grapes or hurt feelings. We worry that Trump is unstable, unqualified, unfit, unmoored and unprincipled. While he may be successful in business, his temper and temperament simply make him too dangerous to serve as Commander in Chief.
AC, I don't object to Trump because I'm unconvinced of his conservative credentials. If that were the only issue, I'd gladly vote for him to avoid the undeniably bad policies and unalloyed liberalism championed by Hillary Clinton. But Clinton is mentally stable in a way that Trump is not. Trump is therefore existentially dangerous in a way that Clinton is not.
This is a terrible choice we're faced with this year. I've looked at this choice backwards, frontwards and sideways, and concluded that Trump would threaten my safety, my prosperity, my liberty and my nation more than Clinton will. I therefore must vote to defeat him.
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"Probably, maybe less evil" is not a good enough reason to vote for anyone.
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Do you think the freedom of those principles will be permitted to thrive if Hillary is elected.... or that the Constitution will even survive under her administration when it is clear she has no regard for it whatsoever ?...…
It will not matter which of those two tyrant wannabe's is sElected in November. Neither freedom or the Constitution are going to be safe from either one of them, because both of them have no regard for it whatsoever.
Additionally ....Is it not our duty before God to vote for the choices he's given us since we have a dual Citizenship and he calls us to do so as a "Citizen of this country" our civic duty? .....Especially in light of the truth that it is he who removes kings and establishes kings?
He takes responsibility for all things, even when a people turn against Him and choose for themselves wicked rulers, whom God allows to destroy those nations that have forsaken Him. God Himself does not present them with such wicked rulers. Instead the people choose the wickedness for themselves and God allows them to suffer for it. It is not the duty of a Christian and follower of Scripture to choose a wicked ruler, but to choose one who represents their principles, even if they have to refrain from what is offered to them.
You further wrote....." Trump is no different than Hillary given his wavering unclear positions."
I disagree,.... we know exactly everything Hillary stands for and she is unwavering in her agendas both here and on the World Stage...she is bad for this for this country, and it's peoples in every respect....killing the unborn will be massive here and throughout the world as she increases the availabilty to every nation, as just ONE example.
...Whereas with Trump, he has made no secret of the fact to lead and negotiate rightly one must be flexible, thus it should not be a surprise when he does so throughout his campaign, as with ALL politicians who will lean back and forth to gain voters... Further he has made clear he certainly isn't even close to Hillary's positions on key issues, which have been argued on these threads at length.
I do not subscribe to such fantasies. Trump is virtually indistinguishable from Hillary on major issues as his own fruits showcase his lifelong support for abortion, Planned Parenthood AND Hillary Clinton. Here is just ONE example of Trump's indistinguishable policies from Hillary's:
When it comes to trade, it largely doesn’t matter who the voters elect. Both the presumptive GOP presidential nominee and the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee are nearly identical...The only difference is Clinton proposed the policies first.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,213897.0/topicseen.html
You further state...."More than half the population WANT a Marxist Communist Totalitarian society"....
Which I will say likely 85% or more of the population don't even know what that is....
Irrelevant. They want free sh*te and will support anyone who says they will give them what they want, irrespective of the limits on government as outlined by the Constitution that they are wholly ignorant of and can care less about.
Rather they are looking for someone who will DO the DOING OF what needs to happen to stop the trajectory this nation is on. It's that simple.... Our entire system of Governance has failed the people and they know it, which of course includes politicians on both sides, thus they want an "outsider" as has been clearly evident by the votes for Trump. That fact cannot be denied.
You keep illustrating my whole point about what this people want. They want a king or a dictator, just like I said. When did we accept the idea that the Presidency was a monarchy? That one man was going to 'do the doing of what needs to happen'? Looking to someone for high office who will do the doing of what needs to happen sans deference to Congress or the courts betrays the very Constitution and the form of government established to uphold a republic.
All of Israel wanted a king too, and just because a plurality of people want something - does not make it right or correct.
The fact that Trump is no outsider and has a lifetime of supporting the Political castes including the Clintons and funding and endorsing a known Communist for NYC mayor less than 3 years ago means nothing to a people who have hung all their hopes and dreams on his bloating punitive rhetoric of punishment upon those people and institutions blamed for the misery they suffer and are afraid of.
You stated...." Our nation has been overthrown from within"
Yes indeed, so in that light why would you not vote to overthrow that "Cartel" ?
Jesus asked the question "How can Satan cast out Satan?" (Mark 3:23). Why would I support someone who has spent a lifetime funding the cartel?
Cruz had a shot at this and I was fully in his court and would do so now if he were to find a way thru the mess we have before us. But as of date we have been "given" Trump presently. ...Therefore.... I place my faith not in the man but in the God I know regarding even Trump.
God did not give us Trump. This people choose whomever it is will give them what they want. If this people truly put their faith in God, we would have neither Trump nor Hillary as potential rulers.
You stated....."The election is already lost. That much is a certainty."
You do not know this my friend, nor does anyone else.
I most certainly am convinced that conservatives have no horse in this race, and that the principles we Conservatives believe in, will have no role in either a Trump regime or a Hillary regime given the war both of them have waged upon Conservatives and Conservative values.
There are multitudes of people praying and trusting that whatever comes of this election that the results will be as God intended….
I do not subscribe to that understanding. Like any Father - sometimes a wayward child has to hit bottom because of his rebelliousness. Scripture clearly reveals that God gave entire nations and peoples over to their own desires and their own wickedness consumed them until they were utterly destroyed from it. Did God intend that for His People? No. But His people chose their own way, and rejected what established them and The Lord gave them over to their own appetites and desires.
And they were destroyed and their remnant disappeared and are lost.
A true patriot sees the whole picture of what it means to hold on to this Republic as our founders knew....
That is already gone. Without even a whimper. This government no longer operates within the confines of a Republic as mandated by the Constitution. You can pretend otherwise, but all it is is lip service to what precedent has already abolished except in name only.
We have a civic responsibility to vote as best we know regardless of the degree of understanding, and let God determine where that will take us in the future....
You don't vote out tyranny at the ballot box when a majority of the population want what is anathema to both God and the entire concept of a Republic.
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Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."
Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.
Foolish consistency describes Trumpkins to a tee.
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Politically speaking, I see very little difference between Hillery and Donald. They both have character and ethics issues that disqualify them. I can only describe the choice as being like choosing between Molech and Ba'al. After some study, I really like the Constitution party, here in Michigan, also called the US Taxpayers party.
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Well reasoned, will fall on deaf ears. Don't you see the very core of #NeverTrump? It's raison d'être, if you will: its immovability.
From its inception, neverTrump is a political response that functions as a salve for hurt feelings, it's an emotional, spasmodic response to forces outside it's control. It is impenetrable to logic or reason.
You wasted your valuable time on a well constructed, well argued post that simply bounced off to no affect.
It is not a question of us having deaf ears nor is it a question of being "never Trump", but instead NEVER LIBERAL. Trump is not now nor has he ever been a Conservative. He will not end partial birth abortion and supports weapon bans.
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@INVAR
Great piece. My personal reasons for not supporting Trump are his inconsistency, lack of a moral compass, vindictiveness, that he used vicious smears, and made infantile faces using mockery and insults that made the debates worthless, his poisonous narcissism, and his inability to speak coherently. Not sour grapes. The chaos, disarray and ineffectiveness of his campaign since his opponents dropped out gives a picture to the discerning voter of what a Trump presidency would look like. I won't be a part of enabling that.
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You stated........."nor is it a question of being "never Trump", but instead NEVER LIBERAL. Trump is not now nor has he ever been a Conservative"......
Well we had a solid conservative running, he lost unfortunately...... Trump is running 'as a Republican' regardless if seen or not conservative. Trump does at times sound like a liberal Democrat to me, and when he does that he's wrong,... but I think he's deliberately promoting those views in order to advance his political interests and appeal to more of the voters on the left as well as those who sit on the fences..., which is what most politicians do in an election where they have to appeal to a wide swath of voters. For whatever reasons people see to be ore critical of Trump when he does this probably because he's tended to side with Deorats in the past......
But what I'm seeing from many 'conservatives' is it really wouldn't matter if it was Trump or some other candidate......they will only vote for a conservative, and that just isn't the choice we've been given at this juncture in the election process.....
:bullie smokin:
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Politically speaking, I see very little difference between Hillery and Donald. They both have character and ethics issues that disqualify them. I can only describe the choice as being like choosing between Molech and Ba'al. After some study, I really like the Constitution party, here in Michigan, also called the US Taxpayers party.
Yes at times it does seem to be the case...'except'...Hillary and Bill have the Clinton Machinery set and ready to push hard everything and far far more that Obama has started. Further you can be sure they will stack the Supreme Court in "their" favor, not the countries. Additionally all those up for elections in Congress will swing Demorat......we'll have exported abortions to the world, massive migration and immigration of every third world nation peoples to the states, all of which will be staged to vote demorat in years to come....while Bil and Hillary usher this nation into the Global Governance and we forfeit our national laws and regulations of this nation.
I cannot say that Trump would do likewise because all the videos of him throughout they years he's always shown his desire for this nation exclusively over any other that he shows any degree of loyalty to.
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But what I'm seeing from many 'conservatives' is it really wouldn't matter if it was Trump or some other candidate......they will only vote for a conservative, and that just isn't the choice we've been given at this juncture in the election process.....
:bullie smokin:
As long as we accept that choice, that is the only choice we will get. Lesser evils accumulate and achieve the same ends as the greater evil, only slowly enough the frog doesn't jump out of the pot.
If we think accepting that sort of option will change anything, we need to think some more.
The only reason this election is perceived as more critical than any previous election is that we have, when they prevailed, voted for lesser evils which is what got us to this point. We're running out of sand to draw lines in.
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I cannot say that Trump would do likewise because all the videos of him throughout they years he's always shown his desire for this nation exclusively over any other that he shows any degree of loyalty to.
Hillary has to get past Congress. Not that that should be insurmountable--just look at what Obama has accomplished. (>spit<)
As for Trump, his little empire is hardly limited to the US, and even includes business deals with the Saudis (They did take his name off of some things, lately.) I have little faith his policies will be what many of his supporters believe.
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Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."
Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.
I get a little bit tired of hearing Trumpkin's call 95% of the rest of us here fools, within a certain rhetorical flourish, of course.
When I respond, and describe the behavior as borish or "Trollish", a moderator gets all up in arms.
Nope, consistency is NOT foolish. It's principled. It's truth in action.
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Nice little screed, INVAR.
I'm going to juxtapose this argument a bit. Trump supporters tell us we're "Hillary supporters", we're fools, self-centered, and all that other bunk, because we won't bow at the feet of their AMAZING little Donald.
Every indication is that Hillary wins in a blow out. Every HISTORICAL record in existence about Trump's behavior, indicates that within 6 months, maybe 3 months, Trump will be back in the loving progressive arms of Hillary's supporters.
Now, the consistent, constitutional conservatives represented by principled #NeverTrump conservatives will be who they are today, on election day, on the day Hillary takes office, and six months from now. We don't change. We won't change our principles to fit the political fashion of the moment.
What about the die-hard Trumpkins? Where will they be? Will they be back along side of us, fighting the good constitutional fight, if indeed they were ever so?
Here's my take. 70% of the Trumpkins will follow their Donald right over the party lines, and join with him in support of the progressive agenda. After all, having sacrificed conservative principles to vote for their idol, what will they have left.
Trump loses the election by 50 states - he won't win even one. He'll lose the Senate and much of the House, yet he'll be partying far into the night on November 8th, with no regrets. His Trumpkins will be partying, too. They'll discover how much in common they have with Trump's "new" friends, and how little they have in common with us.
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We've seen the rise of ISIS and a porous border under this administration and this secretary of state. Er, no, I'm not going to stand on principle and say, I can't vote for Trump.
Now, I respect at the same time, those who think the two are equally evil though I don't agree with it.
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Waiting for EC to come over and disparage all this talk of "must" and "mustn't."
Maybe Ralph Waldo Emerson was correct when he wrote "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..but consistency in this case would actually be a good thing.
You mean like the consistency of always voting for what the party you belong to throws you no matter how foul? Little minds that blindly throw themselves over the cliff and demand others follow?
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It's a hard call; if Trump seems too temperamental; perhaps the convention can still select someone else. I don't think I will be watching it.
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You stated........."nor is it a question of being "never Trump", but instead NEVER LIBERAL. Trump is not now nor has he ever been a Conservative"......
Well we had a solid conservative running, he lost unfortunately...... Trump is running 'as a Republican' regardless if seen or not conservative. Trump does at times sound like a liberal Democrat to me, and when he does that he's wrong,... but I think he's deliberately promoting those views in order to advance his political interests and appeal to more of the voters on the left as well as those who sit on the fences..., which is what most politicians do in an election where they have to appeal to a wide swath of voters. For whatever reasons people see to be ore critical of Trump when he does this probably because he's tended to side with Deorats in the past......
But what I'm seeing from many 'conservatives' is it really wouldn't matter if it was Trump or some other candidate......they will only vote for a conservative, and that just isn't the choice we've been given at this juncture in the election process.....
:bullie smokin:
Speaking for myself, Ted Cruz isn't the only candidate I would have voted for, although he was far and away the best, IMO. But Trump is an amoral sleaze, a pathological liar, mentally unstable, and horribly unprepared for office. I think I related to you the spiritual crisis I experienced the last time I voted out of fear, and Trump is far worse than that other candidate.
God's in control here. I won't make Hillary Clinton bigger than He is.
Trump hasn't changed, and neither has my stance regarding him.
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#NeverTrump has further reaching ramifications that just the White House. Think about all of those that vote straight ticket. Those that do and have given in to the #NeverTrump hype will stay home … or vote independent on the presidential ballot while ignoring the rest. This is a green light for the Dems to gain back congressional seats. This, coupled with the fact that we know beyond a doubt what Hillary would do as president, we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
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#NeverTrump has further reaching ramifications that just the White House. Think about all of those that vote straight ticket. Those that do and have given in to the #NeverTrump hype will stay home … or vote independent on the presidential ballot while ignoring the rest. This is a green light for the Dems to gain back congressional seats. This, coupled with the fact that we know beyond a doubt what Hillary would do as president, we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
You can drop the hardline stance, al. I won't. Trump is dangerous, even more dangerous than Hillary. Yes, he is.
I will not vote for him, although I will vote for all Republicans down ballot. Nothing will change that.
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#NeverTrump has further reaching ramifications that just the White House. Think about all of those that vote straight ticket. Those that do and have given in to the #NeverTrump hype will stay home … or vote independent on the presidential ballot while ignoring the rest. This is a green light for the Dems to gain back congressional seats. This, coupled with the fact that we know beyond a doubt what Hillary would do as president, we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
I have never missed a major election in my life. I don't buy this stay home stuff. Down ticket votes are as important if not more so than the presidency.
With Trump attempting to jettison everyone and everything about his own party he's not going to get anybody in on his coattails.
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...."We need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary....
That’s my opinion."......
Agree fully.....it's a reality call soon to approach every voter who understands their civic duty as a US citizen.
Thomas Jefferson said,.....
“We do not have a government by a majority of the people, we have a government by a majority of the people who participate.”
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Trump is an amoral sleaze, a pathological liar, mentally unstable, and horribly unprepared for office.
God's in control here. I won't make Hillary Clinton bigger than He is.
Trump hasn't changed, and neither has my stance regarding him.
Well Trump may be all that you believe him to be, and you are certainly not alone in thinking that... But he IS currently the Nominee.... and if as you say, "God is in control here", then Trump would not be where he is at since God does raise leaders up to use for HIS purposes no matter how we might view them....or for that matter how they see themselves.
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Well Trump may be all that you believe him to be, and you are certainly not alone in thinking that... But he IS currently the Nominee.... and if as you say, "God is in control here", then Trump would not be where he is at since God does raise leaders up to use for HIS purposes no matter how we might view them....or for that matter how they see themselves.
We should NEVER compromise our faith or principles by the deceitful logic of men that would tell us that we must support someone who is antithetical to our values or condone what is evil simply because we tell ourselves 'God is in control and if He allows it, it must be okay'.
I will forever be hostile to every form and every person who is anathema to what my foundational principles are that is seeking a position of law or leadership.
Trump may be their nominee, but I will NEVER vote for him.
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Our faith and principles reside not in men nor are they subject to....they rest steadfastly in a person.
Our support for a candidate is a civic duty with the choices we've been given....no matter who we support by our vote., and that vote does not mean we support their lifestyle, nor their manners or way of relating......it means we see the issues that come 'closest to' those we have concerns about and which candidate represents THOSE the best. ..Hillary certainly doesn't.....and though Trump leaves much to be desired he does represent the issues I do care about........so we each vote according to how we view our duty and our concerns...or not at all.
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Our support for a candidate is a civic duty with the choices we've been given....no matter who we support by our vote.,
We have a choice to write in or vote a third party candidate that more closely represents our core principles and values.
and that vote does not mean we support their lifestyle, nor their manners or way of relating
And this is where we part ways. A little leaven, leavens the entire loaf according to the Apostle Paul and according to all human history and experience. CHOOSING rulers whose lifestyles, manners and character are antithetical and contrary to mine, empowers those lifestyles, vulgarity and lack of character to become preferred and predominant.
We have Obama and Hillary PRECISELY BECAUSE most Americans wrongly assume the same thing you do: that supporting lessor evil does not mean they support evil.
What they have done is leavened the entire loaf with a yeast that is corrosive to the existence of both morality and liberty.
Apparently few notice the correlation to the loss of liberty and the abandonment of the Constitution to the wickedness this people are indifferent towards in both society and the rulers they choose.
......it means we see the issues that come 'closest to' those we have concerns about and which candidate represents THOSE the best.
The graveyard of societies are filled with the corpses of former republics whose leaders grew more depraved and tyrannical as they devolved, until the people had no choice except tyrants or despots to rule them.
..so we each vote according to how we view our duty and our concerns...or not at all.
Between a tyrant and a despot, I choose none of the above and will cast a vote for someone I write in or is from another party.
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Issues that matter to me and why i will vote for Trump and not Hillary...they are the choices currently:
The first - and most important - is that of The Supreme Court. Trump’s campaign released a list of potential Supreme Court Nominees, all of which are judges 'who will uphold the constitution' without attempting to legislate from the bench.
Next the protection and sanctity of life...although Trump's position has not always been clear he seems to side with the life of the unborn now....and there are those who will indeed hold him to that. But worse is we know with certainty that Hillary will absolutely promote the deaths of many millions more children here and abroad....
And certainly Religous Liberty.......Trump clearly is for that and Hillary will assuredly continue to marginalize Christianity to the sidelines as well as the Patriotic Spirit of this nation.
These are just three that matter to me regarding my vote.....
Further I have no doubt that Trump will gladly destroy Obamas legacy...Hillary will expand and enlarge it.
So it's not really such a hard decision when one views the issues and where each stands.
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You state....."We have a choice to write in or vote a third party candidate that more closely represents our core principles and values"....
Yes you can do that....I prefer my vote has the power to actually count and make a difference between the two candidates chosen and set aside for us to select from. ..... Especially regarding the Supreme Court Appointments who will abide by the very Constitution you speak of.
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Issues that matter to me and why i will vote for Trump and not Hillary...they are the choices currently:
The first - and most important - is that of The Supreme Court. Trump’s campaign released a list of potential Supreme Court Nominees, all of which are judges 'who will uphold the constitution' without attempting to legislate from the bench.
Trump said this to Mike Gallagher this morning on the Texas Abortion ruling:
“If we had—Scalia was living or Scalia was replaced by me, you wouldn't have had that.”
Trump is so inattentive to detail he is unaware that Scalia or his replacement would have made no difference.
So suppose he wins the White House and is faced with some policy consideration he really doesn't understand. What is to say he'll make the conservative move? And if he doesn't, who is going to be around him to talk him out of it?
Trump is too damned dangerous to be given the power of the presidency.
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The list of Trumps choices for Supreme court should put those concerns at rest BECAUSE we all know he did not compile that list because he knows those individuals, it's because "others" which are able to assist him rightly know.
Trump would be a figure head President, which he may very well be more than happy to be since it puts him "On stage" and with the "Title" he covets. The working out of those issues he claims and promises to do would be in the hands of others to carry out....he has said as much himself. They would report to him of the progress no doubt and discussions thereof....but the "operatives" to carry out the agendas will be done by those who know the pitfalls of Washington.
Now if Trump decides he's going to micro-manage everyone as in a beauty pagent....then they'll be some conflicts fought until he yields. Our good men in WAshington are not going to give the man free reign.....which he will not have if he wins.
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You say ..."Trump is too damned dangerous to be given the power of the presidency.".....
No man has absolute power of the Presidency which is why we have checks and balances......his illiteracy regarding how things work in Washington is to our advantage and those good men we do have in Washington for he will be "dependent" on them and clearly have his "trust" muscle exercised beyond that which he ever imagined... That will be difficult for Him but he'll have no choice. I have a gut feeling he'll be more than happy to do so once he grasps the enormity of running this nation and the International affairs required.
The one thing we do know...is Trump wants things to get done....however it needs to happen.....and he is very much time sensitive ...this too is in this nations interests. Further he wants solid reasons why something isn't moving in order to remove those barriers, no flimsy excuses will rule his administration. He wants doers and shakers...that we know and his history as well shows.
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@WAC "his illiteracy regarding how things work in Washington is to our advantage"
Ignorance is strength
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No man has absolute power of the Presidency which is why we have checks and balances……
You obviously have not been paying attention for the last 4 years. There ARE NO MORE checks and balances. Obama has stacked the courts with Leftists, SCOTUS now rules based on the political agenda of the Obama regime and Congress…. well Congress was no check or balance to the lawless actions of the Executive.
So the Rule of Law is no more. We now have the rule of the tyranny of men.
his illiteracy regarding how things work in Washington is to our advantage and those good men we do have in Washington for he will be "dependent" on them and clearly have his "trust" muscle exercised beyond that which he ever imagined... That will be difficult for Him but he'll have no choice. I have a gut feeling he'll be more than happy to do so once he grasps the enormity of running this nation and the International affairs required.
I've never read so many people put so many of their 'gut feelings' and 'hopes' of what they want their political savior to do for them as I have read of Trumps supporters. Not even in 2008 did I read so many blind people vaunting 'hope and change' on a single person as we read of those who ascribe their fantasies on Trump.
The one thing we do know...is Trump wants things to get done....however it needs to happen…..
So a dictatorship is fine with you then?
I know it is for many who have actually gleefully suggested Trump needs to act as a dictator to 'get things done'. Which is one of the reasons I think Trump is far more dangerous than Hillary is.
I most assuredly hold Hamilton's admonition sacred.
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
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...."We need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary....
That’s my opinion."......
Agree fully.....it's a reality call soon to approach every voter who understands their civic duty as a US citizen.
Thomas Jefferson said,.....
“We do not have a government by a majority of the people, we have a government by a majority of the people who participate.”
Another thing to consider … which candidate matches the conservative platform the most? No, we don’t have any matching 100%. Probably not even 70%. But I’ll take the 50% over the 0% every time. Would have rather had Cruz so that we could have had the most conservative candidate out of the bunch that ran, but the media (and Cruz’ campaign manager) blew that. So here we are …
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There ARE NO MORE checks and balances. Obama has stacked the courts with Leftists, SCOTUS now rules based on the political agenda of the Obama regime and Congress…. well Congress was no check or balance to the lawless actions of the Executive.
So the Rule of Law is no more. We now have the rule of the tyranny of men.
And with a Hillary presidency, that rule of law will slip even further away as the Supreme Court goes far left for years down the road.
I've never read so many people put so many of their 'gut feelings' and 'hopes' of what they want their political savior to do for them as I have read of Trumps supporters. Not even in 2008 did I read so many blind people vaunting ‘hope and change’ on a single person as we read of those who ascribe their fantasies on Trump.
Can’t argue with that. “Make America Great Again” = “Hope and Change 2.0”
So a dictatorship is fine with you then?
I know it is for many who have actually gleefully suggested Trump needs to act as a dictator to 'get things done'. Which is one of the reasons I think Trump is far more dangerous than Hillary is.
Hillary would be way more of a dictator than Trump would be. He’s more of a negotiator than a tyrant. That’s what worries me about him … making deals that don’t hold up to conservative standards.
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The one thing we do know...is Trump wants things to get done....however it needs to happen.....and he is very much time sensitive ...this too is in this nations interests.
What was it I read by @Henry Noel ? Better statists for better statism?
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And with a Hillary presidency, that rule of law will slip even further away as the Supreme Court goes far left for years down the road.
It will not matter which of these two clowns gets crowned in November for that inevitability to happen. Trump has nearly single-handedly destroyed Conservatism as having any relevance on the political stage from this point forward. His supporters already rabidly working to resculpt Conservatism into Trump's image.
Hillary would be way more of a dictator than Trump would be. He’s more of a negotiator than a tyrant. That’s what worries me about him … making deals that don’t hold up to conservative standards.
Trump's statements and those of his Militants make me doubt that. Trump has made more direct threats to the Constitution and our rights than Hillary has thus far.
It no longer matters who "wins" the office of president. The agenda of remaking the country is going to continue regardless.
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#NeverTrump has further reaching ramifications that just the White House. Think about all of those that vote straight ticket. Those that do and have given in to the #NeverTrump hype will stay home … or vote independent on the presidential ballot while ignoring the rest. This is a green light for the Dems to gain back congressional seats. This, coupled with the fact that we know beyond a doubt what Hillary would do as president, we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
You'll never get any of the #nevertrumps to admit that. They have a dozen reasons why they are exonerated. Mostly because they say so.
It is however, a fact that voting for anyone but Trump is voting for Hillary.
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You'll never get any of the #nevertrumps to admit that. They have a dozen reasons why they are exonerated. Mostly because they say so.
It is however, a fact that voting for anyone but Trump is voting for Hillary.
Ask us if we care anymore. Sticks and stones love. Trump will be worse for the country than Hillary could be.
You have made us your enemy, now go pander to Bernie supporters to vote for your prince - because bashing us at every turn for refusing to vote for your train wreck only grows our ranks and steels our resolve. In my case, you Trump Militants have pushed me from simply voting third party in November to outright activism against your nominee.
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I supported Cruz and still do. However, I will vote for Trump as I believe things will then blow up and we can reset sooner. Also, Trump will have opposition in the government which Hillary will not. So if Trump wins and things don't blow at least the road to ruin will have been slowed.
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Ask us if we care anymore. Sticks and stones love. Trump will be worse for the country than Hillary could be.
You have made us your enemy, now go pander to Bernie supporters to vote for your prince - because bashing us at every turn for refusing to vote for your train wreck only grows our ranks and steels our resolve. In my case, you Trump Militants have pushed me from simply voting third party in November to outright activism against your nominee.
The only bashing going on here seems to be coming from you. Relax … there are no Trump militants here - they’re all over at TOS. Don’t turn this site into a NeverTrump militant site, please.
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I supported Cruz and still do. However, I will vote for Trump as I believe things will then blow up and we can reset sooner. Also, Trump will have opposition in the government which Hillary will not. So if Trump wins and things don't blow at least the road to ruin will have been slowed.
So the pot-holes-instead-of-sinkholes-in-the-road, theory.
I think a lot of us lean that way.
I can tell you that I am a Cruz supporter AND firmly #NeverHillary.
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The only bashing going on here seems to be coming from you. Relax … there are no Trump militants here - they’re all over at TOS. Don’t turn this site into a NeverTrump militant site, please.
Oh really? The mantra from the Trump Militant is as you just stated: "It is however, a fact that voting for anyone but Trump is voting for Hillary."
I'm not going to play nice with bullies who engage in that kind of intimidation game, because it is part and parcel of what the Trump Militant does at TOS and elsewhere.
So as I said, making such accusations for refusing to vote for your train wreck is not only bashing, it only grows our ranks and steels our resolve.
No one here is voting for Hillary. Many here are not voting for Trump, but someone else in November.
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#NeverTrump has further reaching ramifications that just the White House. Think about all of those that vote straight ticket. Those that do and have given in to the #NeverTrump hype will stay home … or vote independent on the presidential ballot while ignoring the rest. This is a green light for the Dems to gain back congressional seats. This, coupled with the fact that we know beyond a doubt what Hillary would do as president, we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
I'll go and vote downticket, because we have State races involved, too. Just because I won't support Trump, doesn't mean I won't vote, it just means I won't vote for Trump.
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Well Trump may be all that you believe him to be, and you are certainly not alone in thinking that... But he IS currently the Nominee.... and if as you say, "God is in control here", then Trump would not be where he is at since God does raise leaders up to use for HIS purposes no matter how we might view them....or for that matter how they see themselves.
He is the presumptive nominee. It isn't official until the Convention. He isn't where you say he is, even if the fat lady is warming up in the wings.
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It is however, a fact that voting for anyone but Trump is voting for Hillary.
And voting for anyone but Hillary is a vote for Trump, by that tired, nonsensical "logic".
Therefore I get to vote for both, because I'm not voting for either one.
What is this dreck, common core math?
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#NeverTrump has further reaching ramifications that just the White House. Think about all of those that vote straight ticket. Those that do and have given in to the #NeverTrump hype will stay home … or vote independent on the presidential ballot while ignoring the rest. This is a green light for the Dems to gain back congressional seats. This, coupled with the fact that we know beyond a doubt what Hillary would do as president, we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
It's helpful to think of #NeverTrump as Democrat party enablers. Certainly I wouldn't say they're Hillary supporters, although the effect is essentially the same: lend their name, their prestige, and give aid to the single most corrupt politician in American history in her quest to achieve the ultimate prize. She can just about hear the cash register going ka-ching!
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It's helpful to think of #NeverTrump as Democrat party enablers.
Says the person supporting a vulgar threatening loudmouth for president who funded, supported, voted and campaigned for a known Communist for NYC mayor less than 3 years ago and supported the Clintons for much of the 90's.
Whose Trade policy he revealed this week is identical to Hillary Clinton's trade policies with the exception that Hillary came out with hers first.
Certainly I wouldn't say they're Hillary supporters, although the effect is essentially the same: lend their name, their prestige, and give aid to the single most corrupt politician in American history in her quest to achieve the ultimate prize.
You're projecting.
You betrayed your name, your prestige and any honor or integrity towards upholding Conservative and Constitutional principles to a cult of personality who is no more Conservative than the woman you want him to beat.
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It's helpful to think of #NeverTrump as Democrat party enablers. Certainly I wouldn't say they're Hillary supporters, although the effect is essentially the same: lend their name, their prestige, and give aid to the single most corrupt politician in American history in her quest to achieve the ultimate prize. She can just about hear the cash register going ka-ching!
Is there any any candidate the Republican party could nominate that you wouldn't say the same thing? That would be a bridge too far for you? How about David Duke?
And if you do have a limit then this is really about where you draw the line. So then it is like the person who screams that those who drive faster than you are a reckless madmen endangering everyone and others who drive slower than you are old coots clogging up the roads...
Can you not accept that different people draw the lines in different places? That they have different capabilities and different perspectives?
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I cannot say that Trump would do likewise because all the videos of him throughout they years he's always shown his desire for this nation exclusively over any other that he shows any degree of loyalty to.
Trump is a liberal who thinks the GOP wasn't compromising with the Democrats enough.
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This is a rebuttal of Carol Brown's Op-ed at the American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/why_we_must_support_donald_trump.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/why_we_must_support_donald_trump.html)
(His behavior) It's everyday. And we know what he did to every Conservative running in the race; the personal and the viciousness assaults on character and families that we are never going to forget. That is who Trump is, and we are not risking lending a hand to put such a man in power. Assuredly he will more easily turn that vulgar unhinged rage against anyone who dares oppose him as we have already witnessed so far - and such is the making of a despot far more dangerous than even Hildabeast will be in that office.
Trump is the final nail in the coffin of Conservatism and our foundational principles. He and his are already busy redefining what those things are as they resculpt them into the image of Trump.
The above you wrote is especially important. The Trump we have seen is the Trump we get. He will not change as this is his behavior since he was very young, even as a child.
He is not mentally able to be president. I have never said that about any candidate in my 83 years. I am not a "sore loser", I am an intelligent person who has studied human behavior for over 20 years. He is the final nail in the coffin as he reacts emotionally to every criticism and must destroy any thinking except his own. He will turn on any person in the United States including those who praise his name, when they have a different opinion than his and that is bound to happen.
He will make every country, even our allies, turn against us if any leader questions his actions - and they are already doing that and he is already lashing out at them. He is wrapped up in himself to an extreme I have never seen before in all patients with whom I have worked or heard about in my human behavior profession.
This is a serious problem for the country, not a choice between two normal people with differing political goals. You can diss Clinton for being a liberal and I can't stand her, but she will not destroy the country in four years, but I believe he will because he has no idea what he believes from one day to the next. That is because he believes in nothing except his pleasure and that requires praise to him every single day for him to keep believing he is the very best of all people in the world. The above is my opinion and it distresses me greatly. I wish it were not true.
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
@Norm Lenhart
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@WAC "his illiteracy regarding how things work in Washington is to our advantage"
Ignorance is strength
Well I couldn't say that's true in the Halls of Washington.......there be land-minds there!
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What was it I read by @Henry Noel ? Better statists for better statism?
Yes, that was me. I still think it would be a great slogan for the Trump campaign!
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Oh really? The mantra from the Trump Militant is as you just stated: “It is however, a fact that voting for anyone but Trump is voting for Hillary."
I don’t see that as bashing, but okay.
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I'll go and vote downticket, because we have State races involved, too. Just because I won't support Trump, doesn't mean I won't vote, it just means I won't vote for Trump.
:beer: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Ignorance is strength
Perfect!
@Idaho_Cowboy
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And voting for anyone but Hillary is a vote for Trump, by that tired, nonsensical "logic".
Therefore I get to vote for both, because I'm not voting for either one.
What is this dreck, common core math?
If you vote for Stein you might take a vote away from Hillary.
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The above you wrote is especially important. The Trump we have seen is the Trump we get. He will not change as this is his behavior since he was very young, even as a child.
He is not mentally able to be president. I have never said that about any candidate in my 83 years. I am not a "sore loser", I am an intelligent person who has studied human behavior for over 20 years. He is the final nail in the coffin as he reacts emotionally to every criticism and must destroy any thinking except his own. He will turn on any person in the United States including those who praise his name, when they have a different opinion than his and that is bound to happen.
He will make every country, even our allies, turn against us if any leader questions his actions - and they are already doing that and he is already lashing out at them. He is wrapped up in himself to an extreme I have never seen before in all patients with whom I have worked or heard about in my human behavior profession.
This is a serious problem for the country, not a choice between two normal people with differing political goals. You can diss Clinton for being a liberal and I can't stand her, but she will not destroy the country in four years, but I believe he will because he has no idea what he believes from one day to the next. That is because he believes in nothing except his pleasure and that requires praise to him every single day for him to keep believing he is the very best of all people in the world. The above is my opinion and it distresses me greatly. I wish it were not true.
@CatherineofAragon
@mystery-ak
@Norm Lenhart
She won't need 4 years to destroy America.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/25/clinton-releases-plan-dissolve-us-border-within-100-days/
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...It is easy to pick up on the absolute disdain and borderline vehement hatred of those who on principle, will not vote for Trump in November and it often reminds me of the same kind of attitude one expects when arguing with a rabid secular Leftist over matters of morality. That anyone would stand on a moral principle is deemed a danger to society when they will not embrace that which is anathema to their foundations....
Oh my word, INVAR, where did you get this sanctimonious claptrap? That I am a Trump supporter does not make me the enemy of people "who stand on moral principles." Though sometimes I wonder exactly what those "principles" are.
The principle I most see at work in you and some of your colleagues is an ad hominem hatred of Donald Trump so deep that you land yourselves in a position where you just give aid and comfort to our common enemy. That would be Hillary Clinton.
You and your friends are doing a splendid job of broadcasting and promoting her entire stock Campaign narrative. The ONLY thing she has to run on is the demonization of Donald Trump as not only unfit for presidential office, but unfit to be a human being, period.
You guys are doing a splendid job helping out the Hillary Campaign....
Oh, but you are so virtuous nonetheless....
@wolfcreek;
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Oh my word, INVAR, where did you get this sanctimonious claptrap? That I am a Trump supporter does not make me the enemy of people "who stand on moral principles." Though sometimes I wonder exactly what those "principles" are.
The principle I most see at work in you and some of your colleagues is an ad hominem hatred of Donald Trump so deep that you land yourselves in a position where you just give aid and comfort to our common enemy. That would be Hillary Clinton.
You and your friends are doing a splendid job of broadcasting and promoting her entire stock Campaign narrative. The ONLY thing she has to run on is the demonization of Donald Trump as not only unfit for presidential office, but unfit to be a human being, period.
You guys are doing a splendid job helping out the Hillary Campaign....
Oh, but you are so virtuous nonetheless....
@wolfcreek;
Pity, ain't it? Of course, there are plenty of other ways to characterize their position and it's impact on this election, but seeing as how we're going into the Independence Day weekend, I've no intention of starting a flame war.
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I don’t see that as bashing, but okay.
Of COURSE it's bashing.
You obviously choose to see Trump followers' bashing of Conservatives as benign and Constitutionalists' bashing of liberals as malicious.
It's OK for you to have your pro-Trump opinion, but it's not OK to make distorted comments defending the Trump followers who are accusing the rest of us as being liberals and supporting Hillary when that is a bald faced lie.
Both Trump and Hillary are dangerous liberals, and I cannot in good conscience support EITHER.
And this is the first time in nearly 50 years of voting that I absolutely cannot vote for the "Republican" candidate.
He is vile. He is corrupt. He is dishonest. He's pro-abortion. He's never looked at the Constitution.
And he is a Progressive.
Can't do it.
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She won't need 4 years to destroy America.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/25/clinton-releases-plan-dissolve-us-border-within-100-days/
Neither will the leftist Donald Trump.
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Oh my word, INVAR, where did you get this sanctimonious claptrap? That I am a Trump supporter does not make me the enemy of people "who stand on moral principles." Though sometimes I wonder exactly what those "principles" are.
The principle I most see at work in you and some of your colleagues is an ad hominem hatred of Donald Trump so deep that you land yourselves in a position where you just give aid and comfort to our common enemy. That would be Hillary Clinton.
You and your friends are doing a splendid job of broadcasting and promoting her entire stock Campaign narrative. The ONLY thing she has to run on is the demonization of Donald Trump as not only unfit for presidential office, but unfit to be a human being, period.
You guys are doing a splendid job helping out the Hillary Campaign....
I'm so sick of this insulting crap that there's no point attempting to rebut or reason with you people.
So fine - let's do it your way then. Because I'm not ever voting for Trump and because the Trump Militant have made me your enemy with all the death threats for treason that I now will work directly to ensure Trump is defeated with every fiber of my being.
I think Trump is more dangerous than Hillary in that office. He proves it nearly every single time he speaks. His supporters validate that thought every time they issue their 'tree of liberty must be refreshed with blood' quote from Jefferson to apply to Nevertrump.
Your fellow Trump supporters wanted a war. Palin just today said we are either with them or against them.
SO GUESS WHAT? I'M AGAINST YOU AND I'M AGAINST TRUMP.
WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO ABOUT IT?
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Of COURSE it's bashing.
You obviously choose to see Trump followers’ bashing of Conservatives as benign and Constitutionalists’ bashing of liberals as malicious.
Nope. Why do you think I’m over here instead of TOS?
It’s OK for you to have your pro-Trump opinion, but it’s not OK to make distorted comments defending the Trump followers who are accusing the rest of us as being liberals and supporting Hillary when that is a bald faced lie.
I’m not pro-Trump … I’m anti-Hillary. Cruz was my vote.
Both Trump and Hillary are dangerous liberals, and I cannot in good conscience support EITHER.
And this is the first time in nearly 50 years of voting that I absolutely cannot vote for the "Republican" candidate.
He is vile. He is corrupt. He is dishonest. He's pro-abortion. He's never looked at the Constitution.
And he is a Progressive.
Can't do it.
And that’s your opinion. Mine is that Hillary is a much worse beast and would do irreparable damage to the future of this country. Trump, on the other hand, is a delegator. Alone, he can not be a good president. But if (and I’m hoping he does) surround himself with the right team to do the job, his damage to this country would be minimal … something we could recover from. I don’t see recovery from a Hillary presidency.
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Nope. Why do you think I’m over here instead of TOS?
I’m not pro-Trump … I’m anti-Hillary. Cruz was my vote.
And that’s your opinion. Mine is that Hillary is a much worse beast and would do irreparable damage to the future of this country. Trump, on the other hand, is a delegator. Alone, he can not be a good president. But if (and I’m hoping he does) surround himself with the right team to do the job, his damage to this country would be minimal … something we could recover from. I don’t see recovery from a Hillary presidency.
Trump has stated (more than once) that he surrounds himself with inferior people so that he's the smartest guy in the room and they listen to him and praise him.
He is the OPPOSITE of what is needed to be a good President.
We won't recover from either of them. Trump is potentially worse than Hillary because he knows absolutely NOTHING and he's a narcissist.
(btw, accusing #NeverTrumpers of being PRO-Hillary is the worst kind of personal attack because it's an ugly lie. #NeverTrump people oppose Trump because he's liberal. They do NOT support Hillary. Any time you see that ad hominem, you should counter it with the truth. Otherwise you ARE pro-Trump, and not pro-TRUTH).
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Trump has stated (more than once) that he surrounds himself with inferior people so that he's the smartest guy in the room and they listen to him and praise him.
He is the OPPOSITE of what is needed to be a good President.
We won't recover from either of them. Trump is potentially worse than Hillary because he knows absolutely NOTHING and he's a narcissist.
(btw, accusing #NeverTrumpers of being PRO-Hillary is the worst kind of personal attack because it's an ugly lie. #NeverTrump people oppose Trump because he's liberal. They do NOT support Hillary. Any time you see that ad hominem, you should counter it with the truth. Otherwise you ARE pro-Trump, and not pro-TRUTH).
If Trump were to get elected under the Republican banner, once he's done, the Republican party will finished. The GOP will be so tarnished it will be laughing stock of the country and the Republicans will own it. Bush's presidency brought us Obama, Trump will bring us something worse.
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I'm so sick of this insulting crap that there's no point attempting to rebut or reason with you people....
SO GUESS WHAT? I'M AGAINST YOU AND I'M AGAINST TRUMP.
WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO ABOUT IT?
Man, are you ever "over the top."
What do I "plan to do about it?" Why, absolutely nothing -- other than to continue listen to you "fart proudly for liberty."
Sure is getting stinky around here.
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I think Trump is more dangerous than Hillary in that office. He proves it nearly every single time he speaks. His supporters validate that thought every time they issue their 'tree of liberty must be refreshed with blood' quote from Jefferson to apply to Nevertrump.
Just as important is the damage Orange Glorious will do to the Conservative brand. Liberals will forever more be able to point to him and say "See, see Homophobic, racist, sexist...."
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Just as important is the damage Orange Glorious will do to the Conservative brand. Liberals will forever more be able to point to him and say "See, see Homophobic, racist, sexist...."
Yep. Virtually all the stereo types of conservative's is being confirmed by Trump. When Trump is done anyone identifying as "conservative" won't be able to be elected dog catcher.
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Yep. Virtually all the stereo types of conservative's is being confirmed by Trump. When Trump is done anyone identifying as "conservative" won't be able to be elected dog catcher.
Exactly.
I'm pretty sure that was Trump's goal, and I'm absolutely sure it will be the result.
He has almost single handedly destroyed the conservative "brand."
With a little help from his good pal, Hillary.
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Exactly.
I'm pretty sure that was Trump's goal, and I'm absolutely sure it will be the result.
He has almost single handedly destroyed the conservative "brand."
With a little help from his good pal, Hillary.
And I believe that I am just paranoid enough and just enough of a conspiracy nut to think that this was the plan the whole time. Either that or the Trumnpster went off his meds and everyone is afraid to tell him otherwise.
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This could turn out to be one of the more interesting and raucous Republican conventions since 1964.
Can't wait to see #NeverTrump publicly shamed as a covert DNC-inspired operation, manned by bitter Cruz losers on the (R) side.
By the end of this month, #NeverTrump will be a footnote in the history of republican presidential primaries and we will have our winning candidate, Donald J Trump, next president of the United States!
Go Trump!
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Went back to the beginning. A fascinating thread. With comments a bizarre mixture of bitterness and paranoia. Pretty delusional stuff on show here. :seeya:
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This could turn out to be one of the more interesting and raucous Republican conventions since 1964.
Can't wait to see #NeverTrump publicly shamed as a covert DNC-inspired operation, manned by bitter Cruz losers on the (R) side.
By the end of this month, #NeverTrump will be a footnote in the history of republican presidential primaries and we will have our winning candidate, Donald J Trump, next president of the United States!
Go Trump!
Wow, just making stuff up out of thin air... Talk about no shame...
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Went back to the beginning. A fascinating thread. With comments a bizarre mixture of bitterness and paranoia. Pretty delusional stuff on show here. :seeya:
Hey genius, what the hell do you call what you posted??? You hit all three, bitter, paranoid and delusional all in one hit. Isn't that called projecting?
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Wow, just making stuff up out of thin air... Talk about no shame...
No shame. No conscience. And not one whit of concern that he is overtly lying to make his case.
The REASON for #NeverTrump is that Trump is a Progressive Democrat for whom Conservatives with values cannot vote.
The idea that opposing Trump is a leftist-inspired movement is not only fantasy. It's deceit.
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And I believe that I am just paranoid enough and just enough of a conspiracy nut to think that this was the plan the whole time. Either that or the Trumnpster went off his meds and everyone is afraid to tell him otherwise.
Au contraire @verga ....... it is not "conspiracy" nor paranoia to believe Trump is a stalking horse for Hillary.
There is overwhelming evidence that their political views are the same, and that they are good buddies.
Trump, with his loud, nonsensical attacks on the Conservatives running against him, took out any serious opposition Hillary had, and forced principled Conservatives into a choice between two leftists that we cannot make.
His crazy talk of late is just confirmation that he wants his friend Hillary to win. There's nothing at all nutty about thinking it's all deliberate.
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This could turn out to be one of the more interesting and raucous Republican conventions since 1964.
Can't wait to see #NeverTrump publicly shamed as a covert DNC-inspired operation, manned by bitter Cruz losers on the (R) side.
By the end of this month, #NeverTrump will be a footnote in the history of republican presidential primaries and we will have our winning candidate, Donald J Trump, next president of the United States!
Go Trump!
You'll have to wait a long time, gullible little lemming.
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Went back to the beginning. A fascinating thread. With comments a bizarre mixture of bitterness and paranoia. Pretty delusional stuff on show here. :seeya:
@aligncare
@DB
And yet, you've been repeatedly asked questions that you refuse to answer. Instead of ad hominem, why don't you opt to defend your position? Specifically why don't you answer DBs question at post 81?
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@aligncare
@DB
And yet, you've been repeatedly asked questions that you refuse to answer. Instead of ad hominem, why don't you opt to defend your position? Specifically why don't you answer DBs question at post 81?
@aligncare doesn't post anything other than ad hominem and love notes to Orange Julius.
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Can't wait to see #NeverTrump publicly shamed as a covert DNC-inspired operation, manned by bitter Cruz losers on the (R) side.
@aligncare
I bet you can't wait...I bet you just really hate us don't you? I bet you just really hate that we fail to see the glory of Trump? I bet you hate it so much that you just can't wait to see us punished for our insolence? Why, yes indeed...I can just look at your post and see that, yes, in fact, you do want us punished. Ponder that for a moment while you blather about with your feigned indignance about how you trumpeters are so attacked and put upon: You want people whom you don't know, people who are allegedly your ideological compatriots, PUNISHED for not believing as you do.
That says all we need to know about you, friend. Thank you for the clarification.
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@aligncare
I bet you can't wait...I bet you just really hate us don't you? I bet you just really hate that we fail to see the glory of Trump? I bet you hate it so much that you just can't wait to see us punished for our insolence? Why, yes indeed...I can just look at your post and see that, yes, in fact, you do want us punished. Ponder that for a moment while you blather about with your feigned indignance about how you trumpeters are so attacked and put upon: You want people whom you don't know, people who are allegedly your ideological compatriots, PUNISHED for not believing as you do.
That says all we need to know about you, my dear. Thank you for the clarification.
Hate appears to be @aligncare s primary motivator, based on the continuous stream of hate he posts here.
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Hate appears to be @aligncare s primary motivator, based on the continuous stream of hate he posts here.
Be fair, O. It's not continuous. He has opused out .... twice .... and not posted at all for a bit.
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This could turn out to be one of the more interesting and raucous Republican conventions since 1964.
Can't wait to see #NeverTrump publicly shamed as a covert DNC-inspired operation, manned by bitter Cruz losers on the (R) side.
By the end of this month, #NeverTrump will be a footnote in the history of republican presidential primaries and we will have our winning candidate, Donald J Trump, next president of the United States!
Go Trump!
#NeverTrump will never die as long as Trump is involved in politics.
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Donald J.
@realDonaldTrump
Crooked Hillary - - Makes History!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXRsFQWIAACzTK.jpg)
Wonder why Trump chose a star of David to associate with money.
Who doesn't love the Jews?
UPDATE: Well, well. Just an hour later, Trump revises his image and removes the star of David:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmXpDSdWcAEQDIP.jpg)
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Au contraire @verga Trump, with his loud, nonsensical attacks on the Conservatives running against him, took out any serious opposition Hillary had, and forced principled Conservatives into a choice between two leftists that we cannot make.
@musiclady He has done a great job of poisoning the well for true Conservatives like Ted Cruz and even Moderates like Kasich. In 4 years all the general public are going to remember is "Lyin' Ted" and "little Marco"
His crazy talk of late is just confirmation that he wants his friend Hillary to win. There's nothing at all nutty about thinking it's all deliberate.
Thank you for confirming what I have been feeling.
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My fellow "Cruzers" what do we have left?....I can not tolerate the thought of another 8 year slide into the socialist abyss under a duplicitous bitch like Hillary Clinton.....I would suggest that rather than never Trump..we may want to concentrate on Never Hillary...She is the greatest threat IMHO...and I am a Reagan era conservative to the bone.
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My fellow "Cruzers" what do we have left?....I can not tolerate the thought of another 8 year slide into the socialist abyss under a duplicitous bitch like Hillary Clinton.....I would suggest that rather than never Trump..we may want to concentrate on Never Hillary...She is the greatest threat IMHO...and I am a Reagan era conservative to the bone.
I will support every Conservative I can. I will not support Liberals of any stripe. Even if that only means I vote for dogcatcher and let the rest stay blank.
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My fellow "Cruzers" what do we have left?....I can not tolerate the thought of another 8 year slide into the socialist abyss under a duplicitous bitch like Hillary Clinton.....I would suggest that rather than never Trump..we may want to concentrate on Never Hillary...She is the greatest threat IMHO...and I am a Reagan era conservative to the bone.
There are two New York liberal democrats running. Both seeking power for themselves. One tends more fascist and the other tends more personal graft. Both are deadly. Neither gives a hoot about the constitution unless it serves their purposes. I will not attach my name to either by voting to affirm one of them. And if this is what the Republican party has become, come the official nomination, then I'm no longer a Republican. The party has left me and I'm not going to follow it into the abyss.
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There are two New York liberal democrats running. Both seeking power for themselves. One tends more fascist and the other tends more personal graft. Both are deadly. Neither gives a hoot about the constitution unless it serves their purposes. I will not attach my name to either by voting to affirm one of them. And if this is what the Republican party has become, come the official nomination, then I'm no longer a Republican. The party has left me and I'm not going to follow it into the abyss.
@DB You left out the part about them both being "attention whores" but other than that word for word what I am thinking and feeling. This is the first election in 36 years that I can't pull the lever for the "Republican" candidate. I held my nose and did it for McLame and Mittens, each time with the promise that "next time we will get a REAL Conservative.
Screw that noise, this time I am going third party or Gault.
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@DB You left out the part about them both being "attention whores" but other than that word for word what I am thinking and feeling. This is the first election in 36 years that I can't pull the lever for the "Republican" candidate. I held my nose and did it for McLame and Mittens, each time with the promise that "next time we will get a REAL Conservative.
Screw that noise, this time I am going third party or Gault.
We must be close to the same age. I have also voted for the Republican Presidential nominee for 36 years straight, but not this time (assuming no miracle happens at the convention).
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Just as important is the damage Orange Glorious will do to the Conservative brand. Liberals will forever more be able to point to him and say "See, see Homophobic, racist, sexist...."
The Left will say those things no matter what you do. It's been part of their narrative for decades.
Letting it get under your skin is what they want.
Making you forget how the GOP is becoming just another arm of the Left is the real prize.
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Socialism it is!....I can't wait, free shit for everybody!
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Socialism it is!....I can't wait, free shit for everybody!
But not until they are done taking all your stuff.
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We must be close to the same age. I have also voted for the Republican Presidential nominee for 36 years straight, but not this time (assuming no miracle happens at the convention).
@DB Part of my daily prayers is that God delivers us from the abyss of evil this country has sunk into. They used to say that it took Carter to get us to Reagan, how much lower must we sink.
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The Left will say those things no matter what you do. It's been part of their narrative for decades.
Letting it get under your skin is what they want.
Making you forget how the GOP is becoming just another arm of the Left is the real prize.
Paul Ryan calling gun control measures up for a vote, Take your pick of those supporting amnesty.... I am having a difficult time seeing a difference now. The party of Reagan and Goldwater has become the party pf Clinton and Carter.
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I don’t see that as bashing, but okay.
It is just a complete lie
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Paul Ryan calling gun control measures up for a vote
Yes, he wants to vote on the NRA-backed proposal.
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Yes, he wants to vote on the NRA-backed proposal.
The Congressional Black Caucus is planning on disrupting the Floor business until Ryan allows consideration of their amendments.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/02/congressional-black-caucus-urge-democrats-to-cause-chaos-on-house-floor-over-guns/
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The Congressional Black Caucus is planning on disrupting the Floor business until Ryan allows consideration of their amendments.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/02/congressional-black-caucus-urge-democrats-to-cause-chaos-on-house-floor-over-guns/
One of the measures includes a bill based on gun legislation pushed by Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn, that failed to pass in the upper chamber. Criticized by Democrats, Cornyn’s bill would mandate the Justice Department to prove “probable cause” that a person is engaged in terrorism prior to banning that person from buying a firearm. Law enforcement would have 72 hours to attempt to halt the gun purchase.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/02/congressional-black-caucus-urge-democrats-to-cause-chaos-on-house-floor-over-guns/#ixzz4DO6PWWyu (http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/02/congressional-black-caucus-urge-democrats-to-cause-chaos-on-house-floor-over-guns/#ixzz4DO6PWWyu)
The only way you get 72 hours to halt a purchase is to impose a waiting period.
Eff'em. Let 'em riot.
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@aligncare doesn't post anything other than ad hominem and love notes to Orange Julius.
The "aligncare" name fits nicely into the ignore box.
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The "aligncare" name fits nicely into the ignore box.
I noticed that. Sitting all alone, like boy who was caught dipping pigtails in inkwells in school sitting in a corner with a "Dunce" cap on.
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The only way you get 72 hours to halt a purchase is to impose a waiting period.
Eff'em. Let 'em riot.
I agree. I'm popping corn for the riot, and keeping a fifth of my favorite distilled spirits to self-medicate with when Ryan caves to the punkasses.
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I agree. I'm popping corn for the riot, and keeping a fifth of my favorite distilled spirits to self-medicate with when Ryan caves to the punkasses.
Well, if they are disrupting the chamber, I'd have the Sgt. at Arms remove them from the chamber. (forcibly if necessary). Of course, they'd scream "racist" and Obama would have a speech to decry all that, but this isn't what the people elected them for, to act like a bunch of preschoolers having a tantrum.
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Well, if they are disrupting the chamber, I'd have the Sgt. at Arms remove them from the chamber. (forcibly if necessary). Of course, they'd scream "racist" and Obama would have a speech to decry all that, but this isn't what the people elected them for, to act like a bunch of preschoolers having a tantrum.
They disrupted the chamber a couple weeks ago, and the SaA did nothing.
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They disrupted the chamber a couple weeks ago, and the SaA did nothing.
He wouldn't. It's a historical thing. The Sergeant at Arms has to be directed to take any action against members of the chamber by the Speaker. None members are chancing their arm trying anything.
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He wouldn't. It's a historical thing. The Sergeant at Arms has to be directed to take any action against members of the chamber by the Speaker. None members are chancing their arm trying anything.
The press is lapping it up like clover nectar.
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Dems being Dems? The infantile gesture, the childish tantrum to get their way?
Of course they are lapping it up. The press are almost universally retarded.
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Dems being Dems? The infantile gesture, the childish tantrum to get their way?
Of course they are lapping it up. The press are almost universally retarded.
They're not retarded, they learned well. They are lab rats banging on that "Pleasure" bar until they die of starvation.
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The press is lapping it up like clover nectar.
Yes, but the press has been all over the 60s redux theme from the get-go. It makes them feel young and 'relevant' to repeat all the asinine stupidity of their youth. Y'know flowers in their hair transplants and all that.
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But if (and I’m hoping he does) surround himself with the right team to do the job, his damage to this country would be minimal … something we could recover from. I don’t see recovery from a Hillary presidency.
The problem with that if Trump is elected and does damage, people won't vote for a conservative to undo his damage. They'll vote gorgeous a Democrat.
My personal belief is because of the economic and fiscal path we are currently on I think a correction is coming regardless who wins. Neither he or she has addressed this with any seriousness
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Yes, but the press has been all over the 60s redux theme from the get-go. It makes them feel young and 'relevant' to repeat all the asinine stupidity of their youth. Y'know flowers in their hair transplants and all that.
Shhh! I'm trying to figure out who stole my lighter and roach clip...
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Shhh! I'm trying to figure out who stole my lighter and roach clip...
I had a neighbor who had a roach clip collection left over from that era. He had quite a few pretty elaborate fancy and ornate doohickeys made of cast metal and other materials, all for the purpose of getting that last hit, most of which had the telltale residues of having seen service back when. As the opening salvo of his surprise divorce, his Ex-to-be called the police, had the house searched, and he was in jail on several misdemeanor counts of possession of drug paraphernalia while she looted his bank accounts and left the state...
Sometimes, it's best to just let things go...
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Well Trump may be all that you believe him to be, and you are certainly not alone in thinking that... But he IS currently the Nominee.... and if as you say, "God is in control here", then Trump would not be where he is at since God does raise leaders up to use for HIS purposes no matter how we might view them....or for that matter how they see themselves.
I don't see that "he IS the nominee" changes all of the things that are wrong with Trump. The fact that he is the presumptive nominee does not make him a decent human, a conservative, a good candidate or a good potential president. Nor would I presume to read God's mind on presidential candidates. Seems just as likely our own choices have given us these two candidates ( our as in the whole of the country).
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It is just a complete lie
No bashing is..."you are complete dumbass for helping that bitch get in the WH"
That there is bashing.
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I don't see that "he IS the nominee" changes all of the things that are wrong with Trump. The fact that he is the presumptive nominee does not make him a decent human, a conservative, a good candidate or a good potential president. Nor would I presume to read God's mind on presidential candidates. Seems just as likely our own choices have given us these two candidates ( our as in the whole of the country).
He's all we have, at this point, to keep Hillary out of the WH. WTH is so hard about that?
BTW: the Left's biggest fear is the Right coalescing around their nominee.
Getter done!
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Yes, but the press has been all over the 60s redux theme from the get-go. It makes them feel young and 'relevant' to repeat all the asinine stupidity of their youth. Y'know flowers in their hair transplants and all that.
@Smokin Joe - THAT is one of the funniest lines I've read! :beer:
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He's all we have, at this point, to keep Hillary out of the WH. WTH is so hard about that?
BTW: the Left's biggest fear is the Right coalescing around their nominee.
Getter done!
Nope. I'm helping Trump by not voting for Hillary.
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Nope. I'm helping Trump by not voting for Hillary.
And I'm putting all my hopes and dreams for America in the hope that there are TWICE as many Democrats disenchanted with Hillary as you are with Trump.
I'm also hoping and praying that Bernie Sanders supporters will stay the hell home and not participate...you know....on their 'Principles'. :whistle:
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And I'm putting all my hopes and dreams for America in the hope that there are TWICE as many Democrats disenchanted with Hillary as you are with Trump.
I'm also hoping and praying that Bernie Sanders supporters will stay the hell home and not participate...you know....on their 'Principles'. :whistle:
I talked with one Bernie supporter who, because Trump is so despicable, said she will "hold her nose" and vote for Hillary.
The idea that Bernie people will stay home is a pipe dream, DC.
Trump is so undesirable that, to many left-leaning and independent voters, Hillary is a step up.
Trump's support is a minority of Republicans (most of whom don't care about Republican principles), and it's not going to get any bigger.
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I talked with one Bernie supporter who, because Trump is so despicable, said she will "hold her nose" and vote for Hillary.
The idea that Bernie people will stay home is a pipe dream, DC.
Trump is so undesirable that, to many left-leaning and independent voters, Hillary is a step up.
Trump's support is a minority of Republicans (most of whom don't care about Republican principles), and it's not going to get any bigger.
Trump is no doubt praying for some major terrorist activity in the US. That's the only way he gets any converts. The ONLY way. He's gotten all the Democrats he's going to get and, I think, all the Republicans too without some major terrorist attack.
His other policies are losers with the GOP.
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I will hold my nose and breath and vote for Trump. Almost makes me sick to type it. I sure don't blame others that don't.
I have an inkling I will wake up on November 8 and do the same.
The Clinton crime family must be kept out of that Office. They are evil and treacherous. They're a known quantity.
#NeverClinton
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And I'm putting all my hopes and dreams for America in the hope that there are TWICE as many Democrats disenchanted with Hillary as you are with Trump.
I'm also hoping and praying that Bernie Sanders supporters will stay the hell home and not participate...you know....on their 'Principles'. :whistle:
Whichever party has the courage to dump their candidate and select nearly anyone else will win in a land slide - they are both greatly disliked. I think there's a fair chance the FBI will help the Democrats select someone else and if that happens its going to be an epic landslide against Trump.
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Trump is no doubt praying for some major terrorist activity in the US. That's the only way he gets any converts. The ONLY way. He's gotten all the Democrats he's going to get and, I think, all the Republicans too without some major terrorist attack.
His other policies are losers with the GOP.
Trump is shedding Republican voters. The party is shrinking by the day. He's attacking anyone who's not fully on board with him within his own party instead of trying to bring them into the fold.
I think the party that has the courage to dump their current candidate and select someone else can win in a land slide. I think there's a fair chance the FBI will do that for the Democrats...
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Whichever party has the courage to dump their candidate and select nearly anyone else will win in a land slide - they are both greatly disliked. I think there's a fair chance the FBI will help the Democrats select someone else and if that happens its going to be an epic landslide against Trump.
I don't see any indictment for Clinton who will pick Warren for her VP choice making a win nearly impossible for anyone let alone Trump's already virtually sure fire loss now. Plus the media will kick into high gear against Trump when he has the nomination wrapped up.
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I don't see any indictment for Clinton who will pick Warren for her VP choice making a win nearly impossible for anyone let alone Trump's already virtually sure fire loss now. Plus the media will kick into high gear against Trump when he has the nomination wrapped up.
@Cripplecreek If nothing else, count on one thing. They are waiting for the convention. The stories are already written, headlines and incriminating photos in place. All have been heavily (if possibly inaccurately) sourced. The minute, second he gets the nomination, they will hit the "send" button and the fit will hit the shan. You think they gave Mittens a hard time over the Dog on the roof and the haircut story. You ain't seen nothing yet. This will be the proctologic exam to end all proctologic exams.
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He's all we have, at this point, to keep Hillary out of the WH. WTH is so hard about that?
Trump is the Left's nominee too.
I hate Trump with a passion as much as Hillary. Neither of them should become President.
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I have an inkling I will wake up on November 8 and do the same.
The Clinton crime family must be kept out of that Office. They are evil and treacherous. They're a known quantity.
Trump is an associate of the Clinton Crime Family, if not a full member
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Trump is no doubt praying for some major terrorist activity in the US.
I don't see how that helps Trump, to be honest. The man is literally the last person I'd call in case of terrorism. Heck he never even visited the site of the World Trade Center until he started running for President, and he lives in that city!
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Then why bother posting to us at all on this board if it is such a waste of valuable time for you and yours? Unless acting like bullies is what truly motivates you people?
@INVAR
I have said this before: All Trump supporters want Hillary to win. They knew he could not beat Hillary so they voted for him in the primary. Trump is not fit in any way to be president, they knew/know it, knew/know he could not/cannot win, so voting for him was voting for Hillary. They come down on nonTrump people with personal attacks, knowing all the while their Hillary will be in the White House.
@CatherineofAragon
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Of course, Senator Cruz et al. should have known well before the grassy-knoll and eek-a-Mexican-judge stuff that Donald Trump is unfit for the office of the presidency. And that is what he is: morally, intellectually, and politically unfit for office. Is Hillary Rodham Clinton actually Satan in the flesh? Of course Hillary Rodham Clinton is actually Satan in the flesh; Donald Trump is still unfit for office. It isn’t Ted Cruz’s fault, or John Kasich’s, or Marco Rubio’s, or Jeb Bush’s, that the American public in free and fair elections chose two major-party candidates whose preening self-regard, dishonesty, moral cowardice, and incompetence is in each candidate’s case the best and only argument for the other candidate.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437370/donald-trump-gop-must-say-no-him
Kevin D Wiliamson is spot-on.
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@INVAR
I have said this before: All Trump supporters want Hillary to win. They knew he could not beat Hillary so they voted for him in the primary. Trump is not fit in any way to be president, they knew/know it, knew/know he could not/cannot win, so voting for him was voting for Hillary. They come down on nonTrump people with personal attacks, knowing all the while their Hillary will be in the White House.
@CatherineofAragon
The Trump Militant have already successfully shut several threads in the last week, one of them today by engaging in exactly what you describe and getting the mods involved by decrying those of us fighting back.
They have gone full-bore into idolatry and worship of a demagogue and mimic what he himself has demonstrated they should do to anyone who will not seig-heil their prince.
I think deep down they know they chose a loser and all the invective and vitriol we read is the result of the fact they know they cannot get their prince sElected without the very base they shat on and ran off.
I'm more of the opinion Trump is Hillary's stalking horse and he and many of his most ardent Militants have done Hillary's job of ruer by destroying any Conservative opposition whatsoever to her crowning in November.
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#NeverTrump will never die as long as Trump is involved in politics.
One more time: Don't believe Trump people want him to win. They voted for him knowing he would lose and Hillary would win. They are now involved in personal attacks against nonTrump people, but they know the election will place Hillary in office.
Ignore personal attacks, stick those people in ignore box. If no one posted to them, they would dry up and blow away.
@CatherineofAragon
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I don't see how that helps Trump, to be honest. The man is literally the last person I'd call in case of terrorism. Heck he never even visited the site of the World Trade Center until he started running for President, and he lives in that city!
Trumps a very bad joke!! www.711truth.com/askmeaboutoorslurpees.html
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Trump is an associate of the Clinton Crime Family, if not a full member
We've been given a choice between Hillary and one of Hillary's financiers.
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We've been given a choice between Hillary and one of Hillary's financiers.
Soros is backing the lot of them.
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Soros is backing the lot of them.
You're right Soros has his hands all over our last few elections. I wonder who else does as well.
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I'm more of the opinion Trump is Hillary's stalking horse and he and many of his most ardent Militants have done Hillary's job of ruer by destroying any Conservative opposition whatsoever to her crowning in November.
The Clintons have known for a long time that they didn't have a chance against even a moderate Republican. I don't suppose anybody imagines that they'd just sit back and let the cards fall where they might. Trump was their means of taking active control of the situation.
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we need to drop the hardline stance against Trump. Otherwise, #NeverTrump is nothing more that #RepublicansForHillary.
That’s my opinion.
When you can defend him by way of Conservative principles you'd have an argument, otherwise... There is no otherwise.
Conservatives vote their principles. They always have, and they always will. I have no idea whatsoever why this should come as such a surprise.
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You're right Soros has his hands all over our last few elections. I wonder who else does as well.
I'm not so sure anyone else does, with the exception of a few other billionaires.
Imagine covering both sides, and using one against the other to advance, in increments, an agenda the people would never swallow in one lump. That sure looks like what has happened in my lifetime, with one side advancing (with acclaim!) a few totalitarian enactments and then the other side gets a shot, back and forth.
The end result has been the consolidation of Federal power with a scope which would not have been accepted had the 'other side' done it. Emergency legislation or power granted (or usurped) in the heat of the moment has only added to the loss of Rights and Liberty enjoyed at one time by Americans.
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Imagine covering both sides, and using one against the other to advance, in increments, an agenda the people would never swallow in one lump. That sure looks like what has happened in my lifetime, with one side advancing (with acclaim!) a few totalitarian enactments and then the other side gets a shot, back and forth.
IMHO the super rich have been doing that for generations. It's the only way in my mind how the millionaires and billionaires like Trump seem to always come out ahead no matter who is in office.
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I don't see how that helps Trump, to be honest. The man is literally the last person I'd call in case of terrorism. Heck he never even visited the site of the World Trade Center until he started running for President, and he lives in that city!
He was busy down at the 7-11.
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IMHO the super rich have been doing that for generations. It's the only way in my mind how the millionaires and billionaires like Trump seem to always come out ahead no matter who is in office.
In her book "Captains and Kings" Taylor Caldwell predicted this back in the early 70's.
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He was busy down at the 7-11.
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The destruction/feminization of the military has been accelerating rapidly the last few years under Obama, and there is zero chance Hillary would even attempt to slow that down. I believe the most recent changes are still reversible, but they won't be in 4 years. The core masculine leadership of the military, both enlisted and officer, will either be gone, or completely co-opted.
The chance that Trump might stop something that critical, that is otherwise irreversible, is enough for me to vote for him the general election.
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Trump is the Left's nominee too.
I hate Trump with a passion as much as Hillary. Neither of them should become President.
There's something seriously wrong with your thinking here if you believe Hillary and Trump are equally bad.
Hillary is a known product of the corrupt Establishment status quo while Trump is a blank canvas politically.
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There's something seriously wrong with your thinking here if you believe Hillary and Trump are equally bad.
Hillary is a known product of the corrupt Establishment status quo while Trump is a blank canvas politically.
There is no bigger crony capitalist in America than Donald J. Trump.
Trump and Hillary are both pathological liars. What makes Trump worse is that he's mentally unstable.
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There is no bigger crony capitalist in America than Donald J. Trump.
Trump and Hillary are both pathological liars. What makes Trump worse is that he's mentally unstable.
And you don't believe Hillary is mentally unstable? [when we all know she is]
I'm not buying any of the rhetoric that might sway someone to vote for her. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS ARE DOING
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Rather have a crony capitalist than a corporate socialist.
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I'm not buying any of the rhetoric that might sway someone to vote for her. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS ARE DOING
We're trying to defeat Trump and Trumpism. The best way is to stop this dangerous clown from being nominated. Failing that, I'm prepared to vote for the lesser of two evils. Do I want Clinton to be the next President? Hell, no. But I am duty bound to clean up the mess folks like you created.
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There's something seriously wrong with your thinking here if you believe Hillary and Trump are equally bad.
Hillary is a known product of the corrupt Establishment status quo while Trump is a blank canvas politically.
Trump is far more dangerous than Clinton. He's unstable, and he's supported by alt-right dregs and droogs.
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And you don't believe Hillary is mentally unstable? [when we all know she is]
I'm not buying any of the rhetoric that might sway someone to vote for her. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS ARE DOING
I'm not voting for either one of them, which I have been assured is a vote for both of them, or some such BS.
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I understand the never Trump people aren't responsible for what happens to him in the general because they tried to prevent him from winning the primary, but the simple truth is Bill and Hillary go back to the White House if Trump loses. I'm not sure what Trump stands for. I have no idea how he'll act when he's president, but I know exactly what to expect from Hillary Clinton. She got off scott-free with the email blunder and now you're going to sit idly while she waltzes into the White House? I'm surprised spite alone isn't rallying people to shut her down. The political establishment on both sides hates Donald Trump. If he does anything crazy they will impeach him in a heartbeat. How is taking a chance with Donald not preferable to watching Queen Hillary get her way?
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I understand the never Trump people aren't responsible for what happens to him in the general because they tried to prevent him from winning the primary, but the simple truth is Bill and Hillary go back to the White House if Trump loses. I'm not sure what Trump stands for. I have no idea how he'll act when he's president, but I know exactly what to expect from Hillary Clinton. She got off scott-free with the email blunder and now you're going to sit idly while she waltzes into the White House? I'm surprised spite alone isn't rallying people to shut her down.
Trump was the wrong nominee before yesterday, and he's still the wrong nominee. I don't even factor Hillary into the equation in my evaluation of Trump.
I'll have no part in putting a mentally unstable demagogue in the White House.
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According to Real Clear Politics projection of Electoral College votes, the following are the toss-up states (and 1 district):
Arizona (11)
Colorado (9)
Florida (29)
Georgia (16)
Iowa (6)
Michigan (16)
Nevada (6)
New Hampshire (4)
North Carolina (15)
Ohio (18)
Pennsylvania (20)
Virginia (13)
Maine CD2 (1)
Of these Clinton needs 60 (currently projected at 210) and Trump needs 106 (currently projected at 164). You can make your own conclusions as to who will get what state.
If a third party can make inroads in any of these states, or take away any both the others, it would deny everyone from the 270 magic number. and could change the direction of the country.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
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Trump was the wrong nominee before yesterday, and he's still the wrong nominee. I don't even factor Hillary into the equation in my evaluation of Trump.
I'll have no part in putting a mentally unstable demagogue in the White House.
If he's trouble he'll get impeached easily. Your stand against Trump is helping Hillary. I understand you're a principled person and that Trump crosses lines that are important to you, but sometimes you have to make an ugly choice to prevent an even uglier outcome. This is all so frustrating. I really don't want to see Hillary win.
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If he's trouble he'll get impeached easily. Your stand against Trump is helping Hillary. I understand you're a principled person and that Trump crosses lines that are important to you, but sometimes you have to make an ugly choice to prevent an even uglier outcome. This is all so frustrating. I really don't want to see Hillary win.
If not supporting Trump is helping Hillary, then by not supporting Hillary am I helping Trump? If so, considering I do not support either then I'm supporting both?
All these logical contortions are getting hard to follow.
Let's just say I'm not voting for a New York Liberal and leave it at that.
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If not supporting Trump is helping Hillary, then by not supporting Hillary am I helping Trump? If so, considering I do not support either then I'm supporting both?
All these logical contortions are getting hard to follow.
Let's just say I'm not voting for a New York Liberal and leave it at that.
I just want to see Hillary lose, and I wish people like you would help me. I want her to have to live with the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. If she's above the law then fine, but God please keep her out of the White House at least.
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I just want to see Hillary lose, and I wish people like you would help me. I want her to have to live with the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. If she's above the law then fine, but God please keep her out of the White House at least.
Trump disagrees with you.
As Hillary's good pal, he's been working on helping her get in the WH since this whole debacle began.
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If he's trouble he'll get impeached easily. Your stand against Trump is helping Hillary. I understand you're a principled person and that Trump crosses lines that are important to you, but sometimes you have to make an ugly choice to prevent an even uglier outcome. This is all so frustrating. I really don't want to see Hillary win.
Are we really desperate enough to elect a man we hope will be impeached? Seriously?
Honestly, I think we have a very good idea of what Trump would do as president. He's a proven lifelong liberal, crook, and con man who's pathetically ignorant and dangerously unstable. He's as much of a raging narcissist as the person who currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania.
I don't have a lot of patience with the (as I see it) tendency of people who recall the Clinton years to build Hillary up into some kind of unconquerable, super-human force. As bad as she is---and she is VERY bad---when some of us think about Hillary, we lose all perspective and sink into gibbering panic. It's as though she's a mythical Godzilla and no one could ever be AS bad. But of course someone could be as bad, and he's running with an "R" behind his name.
I detest both of those liberal criminals and I wouldn't dream of supporting either. But since you say our stance is helping Hillary, I guess you can take comfort in the fact that our stance against Hillary is helping Trump. So we cancel ourselves out. There's that, at least...right?
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Trump disagrees with you.
As Hillary's good pal, he's been working on helping her get in the WH since this whole debacle began.
If that's true then a Donald Trump win would turn their plan on its head. If that's true Donald Trump has no real desire to ever be president. How would he react to winning? If Hillary wins then it all went according to plan. Why not disrupt their plan instead?
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If that's true then a Donald Trump win would turn their plan on its head. If that's true Donald Trump has no real desire to ever be president. How would he react to winning? If Hillary wins then it all went according to plan. Why not disrupt their plan instead?
Better suggestion. Let's get rid of Trump legitimately at the convention.
Then we don't have to engage in all this ridiculous espionage. We can beat Hillary outright with practically anyone else.
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I just want to see Hillary lose, and I wish people like you would help me. I want her to have to live with the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. If she's above the law then fine, but God please keep her out of the White House at least.
I won't vote for Hillary to keep her out of the WH. I won't for Trump to keep him out of the WH. Not voting for either is intended to keep BOTH out. I will support and vote for someone who faithfully pledges to support and defend the constitution, not some cockamamie ideas to get votes. Neither of the two main party candidates willfully pledge to do that.
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Not voting for either is intended to keep BOTH out.
Good luck with that.
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We're trying to defeat Trump and Trumpism. The best way is to stop this dangerous clown from being nominated. Failing that, I'm prepared to vote for the lesser of two evils. Do I want Clinton to be the next President? Hell, no. But I am duty bound to clean up the mess folks like you created.
You should find a different site if you would vote for that evil bitch. Seriously you will be a pariah.
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I understand the never Trump people aren't responsible for what happens to him in the general because they tried to prevent him from winning the primary, but the simple truth is Bill and Hillary go back to the White House if Trump loses. I'm not sure what Trump stands for. I have no idea how he'll act when he's president, but I know exactly what to expect from Hillary Clinton. She got off scott-free with the email blunder and now you're going to sit idly while she waltzes into the White House? I'm surprised spite alone isn't rallying people to shut her down. The political establishment on both sides hates Donald Trump. If he does anything crazy they will impeach him in a heartbeat. How is taking a chance with Donald not preferable to watching Queen Hillary get her way?
They will not except that reality but, thanks for trying.
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Trump was the wrong nominee before yesterday, and he's still the wrong nominee. I don't even factor Hillary into the equation in my evaluation of Trump.
I'll have no part in putting a mentally unstable demagogue in the White House.
Yes you will....worse than that.
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Better suggestion. Let's get rid of Trump legitimately at the convention.
Then we don't have to engage in all this ridiculous espionage. We can beat Hillary outright with practically anyone else.
Whoever they replace Trump with wouldn't have a chance. His supporters will dk the same as you.
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Whoever they replace Trump with wouldn't have a chance. His supporters will dk the same as you.
That was my thought as well. It looks like Hillary will be our president for the next 4 years.
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That was my thought as well. It looks like Hillary will be our president for the next 4 years.
Well Thank YOU very much! Trump hasn't been shown even one time, that he can beat Hillary. So if he can't, we have to look elsewhere.
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Trump is far more dangerous than Clinton. He's unstable, and he's supported by alt-right dregs and droogs.
Murphy's Law of Combat #7 states:
"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."
Same applies to politicians.
Clinton being the pro and Donny being the rank amateur.
He's far more dangerous to the country.
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If that's true Donald Trump has no real desire to ever be president. How would he react to winning? If Hillary wins then it all went according to plan. Why not disrupt their plan instead?
Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Even his supporters like Palin are calling anyone who doesn't vote for him a traitor and others are calling for the deaths of those who don't vote for Trump.
That said, I am convinced Trump is a Stalking Horse for Hillary and has been since he got into the race.
He virtually sabotages himself daily while stoking an ugly mob to chant desires of violence and retribution upon people supposedly on their own side of the aisle.
Better for there to be a clear cut enemy at the head of a tyrannical government that we can oppose openly, and whom we are not responsible for in any manner, than someone who blurs the lines between an enemy and someone who pretends to be for you.
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Well Thank YOU very much! Trump hasn't been shown even one time, that he can beat Hillary. So if he can't, we have to look elsewhere.
What are you talking about "Trump hasn't shown even one time" In what race? Last I checked there was about a 5 point difference.
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That was my thought as well. It looks like Hillary will be our president for the next 4 years.
Trump ran for office in order to help Hillary win. Every other candidate polled better against her, but he wiped them all out with his slander and evil words.
Trump is the reason Hillary will win.
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Yes you will....worse than that.
Once again, you evade the TRUTH, wolfcreek.
It is the Trump devotees who are ushering Hillary into the WH.
You have only yourselves to blame for nominating a corrupt liberal masquerading as a Republican.
My conscience is clear.
Yours cannot be if you actually pay attention to it.
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Murphy's Law of Combat #7 states:
"Professionals are predictable, it's the amateurs that are dangerous."
Same applies to politicians.
Clinton being the pro and Donny being the rank amateur.
He's far more dangerous to the country.
If Trump runs this country like a business [should be run], it should do fine. Trouble is NO politician has done that as of late...from either side.
Hillary, like Obama is perfectly fine with letting this country go to ruin so Big government can come to the rescue.
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Once again, you evade the TRUTH, wolfcreek.
It is the Trump devotees who are ushering Hillary into the WH.
You have only yourselves to blame for nominating a corrupt liberal masquerading as a Republican.
My conscience is clear.
Yours cannot be if you actually pay attention to it.
That's your opinion. I don't agree.
My conscience doesn't want Hillary to control this country whereas your's has no problem with that possibility.
Are you the other poster who would vote for her?
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That's your opinion. I don't agree.
My conscience doesn't want Hillary to control this country whereas your's has no problem with that possibility.
Are you the other poster who would vote for her?
I would appreciate it if you didn't lie about me again, wolfcreek.
I DESPISE Hillary Clinton and HATE that Donald Trump is ushering her into the White House.
I wouldn't vote for her if my very life depended on it.
Now don't accuse me of that wretchedness again.
This mess is Trump's fault, and his blind followers, NOT Conservatives with values.
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I would appreciate it if you didn't lie about me again, wolfcreek.
I DESPISE Hillary Clinton and HATE that Donald Trump is ushering her into the White House.
I wouldn't vote for her if my very life depended on it.
Now don't accuse me of that wretchedness again.
This mess is Trump's fault, and his blind followers, NOT Conservatives with values.
Well pat yourself on the back but, somebody besides Jazzman voted to take Hillary.
I want to know who.
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Well pat yourself on the back but, somebody besides Jazzman voted to take Hillary.
I want to know who.
There was a Trump supporter on this forum who said he'd vote for Hillary. (I think it was that longiron fellow who crusaded for Trump).
Maybe you should look among your own rather than making wild accusations about people who despise amoral liberals...... including Trump.
(Actually, since Hillary and Donald have pretty much the same leftist ideology, I would guess there are a lot of Trump supporters who would have voted for Hillary if a conservative like Cruz had won).
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If Trump runs this country like a business [should be run], it should do fine.
If "Trump" runs the country? This is why you people and your prince are more dangerous than Hillary. You actually espouse a dictatorship - and then think you can run the country completely outside the bounds of the Constitution (which is what is required if you think you can run it like a private business).
You have unwittingly made the case against your own prince, and why any Conservative worth his salt would do everything in their power to run from him and vote for someone else.
Hillary, like Obama is perfectly fine with letting this country go to ruin so Big government can come to the rescue.
All your prince talks about is big government. He does not discuss giving power back to the states or to the people. He doesn't discuss the Constitution, individual liberty or the overreach of the federal beast. Instead his policies will grow it, same as Sanders and Hillary will. In fact, his Trade Policy is identical to both Hillary and Sanders' proposals with the only difference being that theirs came out before his.
Which is another reason I believe Trump is simply a stalking horse for Hillary.
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If "Trump" runs the country? This is why you people and your prince are more dangerous than Hillary. You actually espouse a dictatorship - and then think you can run the country completely outside the bounds of the Constitution (which is what is required if you think you can run it like a private business).
You have unwittingly made the case against your own prince, and why any Conservative worth his salt would do everything in their power to run from him and vote for someone else.
All your prince talks about is big government. He does not discuss giving power back to the states or to the people. He doesn't discuss the Constitution, individual liberty or the overreach of the federal beast. Instead his policies will grow it, same as Sanders and Hillary will. In fact, his Trade Policy is identical to both Hillary and Sanders' proposals with the only difference being that theirs came out before his.
Which is another reason I believe Trump is simply a stalking horse for Hillary.
Haven't been paying attention have you? Too wrapped up in your own rhetoric?
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Haven't been paying attention have you? Too wrapped up in your own rhetoric?
He was paying attention to the FACT that you talked about how Trump would "run the country."
He also spoke the truth in saying that Trump is a BIG GOVERNMENT Liberal.
I guess you really haven't been paying attention.
(Of course, you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't be a Trump cheerleader).
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Haven't been paying attention have you? Too wrapped up in your own rhetoric?
Paying attention to what? That Trump militants are calling us traitors for refusing to vote for their anointed and promoting a dictatorship under Trump?
That's what I am paying attention to right now.
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Paying attention to what? That Trump militants are calling us traitors for refusing to vote for their anointed and promoting a dictatorship under Trump?
That's what I am paying attention to right now.
If anyone has really called you traitors, it's because your hatred for Trump will get the true traitor elected. Someone who has actually sold or given away this country's information and secrets.
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If anyone has really called you traitors, it's because your hatred for Trump will get the true traitor elected. Someone who has actually sold or given away this country's information and secrets.
Aaaaannnnnnd then the justification comes.
And it wasn't just 'anyone' calling us traitors this week, it was Trump's spokesimbecile Sarah Palin who issued the ultimatum.
I don't vote for thugs, wannabe dictators, liberals, and those propelled by mobs of tyrannical fanatics.
In truth those who helped Trump destroy Conservatives in this race like Palin actually made Hiladabeast an inevitability for the throne.
Congratulations.
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Aaaaannnnnnd then the justification comes.
And it wasn't just 'anyone' calling us traitors this week, it was Trump's spokesimbecile Sarah Palin who issued the ultimatum.
I don't vote for thugs, wannabe dictators, liberals, and those propelled by mobs of tyrannical fanatics.
In truth those who helped Trump destroy Conservatives in this race like Palin actually made Hiladabeast an inevitability for the throne.
Congratulations.
You guys reading from a prepared narrative.
Palin is just another gift from your wonderful and cherished GOPe. If it weren't for McCain and them , Palin would have never been heard from outside Alaska.
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You guys reading from a prepared narrative.
Palin is just another gift from your wonderful and cherished GOPe. If it weren't for McCain and them , Palin would have never been heard from outside Alaska.
And yet, here she is, speaking very loudly on behalf of a corrupt liberal, and helping elect another corrupt liberal, Hillary Clinton.
(I like the made-up stuff about a "prepared narrative" though. You Trump cheerleaders do projection better than anyone I've ever seen in my 67 years of life. Pretty funny how you accuse others of what you, yourselves do).
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I like the made-up stuff about a "prepared narrative" though. You Trump cheerleaders do projection better than anyone I've ever seen in my 67 years of life. Pretty funny how you accuse others of what you, yourselves do.
That they do with near-professionalism don't they?
It used to be a province and hallmark of raving liberals and Leftists who used that tactic exclusively. But as the Apostle Paul wrote: "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump", and apparently when shilling for a NYC liberal, you end up adopting the same tactics liberals use.
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That they do with near-professionalism don't they?
It used to be a province and hallmark of raving liberals and Leftists who used that tactic exclusively. But as the Apostle Paul wrote: "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump", and apparently when shilling for a NYC liberal, you end up adopting the same tactics liberals use.
Well, now that we have a raving liberal Alinsky-ite as our "Republican" nominee, I suppose it makes sense that his followers use the same unethical tactics.
It's almost funny, though, how they can post their projections (with a straight face??) about Conservatives with values intact, and not realize that they're describing themselves to a "T."
Quite remarkable to observe, actually.......
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If Trump runs this country like a business [should be run], it should do fine. Trouble is NO politician has done that as of late...from either side.
Hillary, like Obama is perfectly fine with letting this country go to ruin so Big government can come to the rescue.
Where, exactly, is there any evidence that Trump is not pro-big-government?
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That they do with near-professionalism don't they?
It used to be a province and hallmark of raving liberals and Leftists who used that tactic exclusively. But as the Apostle Paul wrote: "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump", and apparently when shilling for a NYC liberal, you end up adopting the same tactics liberals use.
Whatever tactic you use to get your candidate elected are apparently worthless. Why don't you speak less and try harder
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Where, exactly, is there any evidence that Trump is not pro-big-government?
You tell me.
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You tell me.
So, re: that (being pro-big-government).....Trump and Hillary are the same then.
Got it.
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So, re: that (being pro-big-government).....Trump and Hillary are the same then.
Got it.
Hillary may be big government, but Trump believes government should be YUGE.
But, yes. They are the same when it comes to big government, to abortion, to Obamacare, and a whole host of other liberal issues. Voting for Trump doesn't save us from liberalism. It dooms us to suffer from more of it.
wolfcreek knows that, yet wants us to vote for Trump anyway.
Go figure, eh??
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Whoever they replace Trump with wouldn't have a chance. His supporters will dk the same as you.
Well, then, who owns it?
The people who gave us Trump and will support no one else, or the people who have said "No Trump, No way", from early on in all this?
The polls reflected that against Hillary, Trump would perform badly: that he would be a loser.
We told you where we stood--some of us quite early on, and y'all thought you could bully us into changing our minds and going along. We have been ranted at, subjected to nonsensical barrages of spam on websites, called everything in the book, wished cancer, threatened with death, by supporters of the Donald. Our candidates have been lied about, slandered wholesale, had their families slandered or portrayed in humiliating ways, and even had their ancestors portrayed as murderers most foul, by Trump or his supporters, all in the effort to make Trump look better.
Considering the source, it didn't.
We've had enough being bullied, by a government that has abdicated its primary functions and already digs in our pockets, our effects, our Rights, and our lives, and we're mad as hell and we aren't about to vote for this crap.
No more voting for the lesser evil. Been there, done that, burned the T-shirt, game over.
Either a candidate I can support, or no support. That simple.
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If Trump runs this country like a business [should be run], it should do fine. Trouble is NO politician has done that as of late...from either side.
Hillary, like Obama is perfectly fine with letting this country go to ruin so Big government can come to the rescue.
One of Trump's business tricks was buying influence through political donations (the 'cost of doing business' in NY). So who is he going to buy to get 'er done?
You need to take a long hard look at his business practices and the long list of dissatisfied customers, and others (former vineyard owners, people who owned properties he wanted, people in competition with him, former business partners), and tell me if he is the businessman you want running the country like he runs his business.
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You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.
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You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.
Sure you can. Not under the Constitution. though. And the guy they want to do it has been through Chapter 11 before, it should be a cinch.
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You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.
Fascism is what happens when you run a country like a business. Business is not democratic nor Republican and under fascism its "customers" are slaves to the state forced to produce and consume the products the state mandates.
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Sure you can. Not under the Constitution. though. And the guy they want to do it has been through Chapter 11 before, it should be a cinch.
American Bankruptcy
Because everyone likes a roller coaster..... right....
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American Bankruptcy
Because everyone likes a roller coaster..... right....
Just saying...of all the candidates, Trump is the expert in bankruptcy, having gone through it so many times...who else to lead in the moral and fiscal bankruptcy of America but someone who knows what they are doing?
(#nevertrump)
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So, re: that (being pro-big-government).....Trump and Hillary are the same then.
Got it.
So you don't know, you're just spouting rhetoric.
What I thought.
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You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.
A business wouldn't be 20 trillion dollars in debt and still be up and running. It would have fired all those who mismanaged it and replaced them with others who are hopefully more qualified.
The last so-called Conservative POTUS ran up the debt making way for his predecessor to double that. This has likely doomed the futures of your grandchildren while you rest on your laurels.
We need real change for this country survive. If not Trump then someone outside this current and past crop of corrupt pols.
Our choices are limited but, allowing Hillary to continue down the path we're on is suicide, IMHO.
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Well, then, who owns it?
The people who gave us Trump and will support no one else, or the people who have said "No Trump, No way", from early on in all this?
The polls reflected that against Hillary, Trump would perform badly: that he would be a loser.
We told you where we stood--some of us quite early on, and y'all thought you could bully us into changing our minds and going along. We have been ranted at, subjected to nonsensical barrages of spam on websites, called everything in the book, wished cancer, threatened with death, by supporters of the Donald. Our candidates have been lied about, slandered wholesale, had their families slandered or portrayed in humiliating ways, and even had their ancestors portrayed as murderers most foul, by Trump or his supporters, all in the effort to make Trump look better.
Considering the source, it didn't.
We've had enough being bullied, by a government that has abdicated its primary functions and already digs in our pockets, our effects, our Rights, and our lives, and we're mad as hell and we aren't about to vote for this crap.
No more voting for the lesser evil. Been there, done that, burned the T-shirt, game over.
Either a candidate I can support, or no support. That simple.
Same crap I've heard the last two election cycles and guess what? Obama, Obama
You really want Hillary, Hillary?
If we don't coalesce behind our nominee, nothing but more of the same.
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Same crap I've heard the last two election cycles and guess what? Obama, Obama
You really want Hillary, Hillary?
If we don't coalesce behind our nominee, nothing but more of the same.
That is total HOGWASH! If the GOP really wanted to stop Hillary, they should nominate someone who could really beat her. It looks as if the do not want to beat her. It has nothing to do with coalescing.
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This is the third election cycle the GOP has handed us a crap candidate and told us you HAVE to vote for this person...they are the only one that can beat the Democrats.
And for the third straight election cycle...
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That is total HOGWASH! If the GOP really wanted to stop Hillary, they should nominate someone who could really beat her. It looks as if the do not want to beat her. It has nothing to do with coalescing.
The GOP hasn't nominated anyone and it will be done by the delegates. Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe] and deserves our support to defeat Hillary Clinton.
If you can't see that, you have no interest in defeating her. It's up to us not, the GOP.
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The GOP hasn't nominated anyone and it will be done by the delegates. Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe] and deserves our support to defeat Hillary Clinton.
If you can't see that, you have no interest in defeating her. It's up to us not, the GOP.
ahh.... 88sorry88 but NOPE! Since when has Trump been shown that HE can beat Hillary? I dare you to show ONE current legit poll.
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Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe]
By lies, deceit and divisiveness.
and deserves our support
DESERVES? OH HELL NO. He will reap exactly what he's sown.
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DESERVES? OH HELL NO. He will reap exactly what he's sown.
That's another thing the Trumpkins either don't seem to grasp or don't care about.
Trump the candidate doesn't deserve anything. He and his sycophants can't demand people's respect and support and think it will magically happen.
So far that's a concept Trump and his minions haven't quite grasped yet.
Respect and support has to be earned.
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Same crap I've heard the last two election cycles and guess what? Obama, Obama
You really want Hillary, Hillary?
If we don't coalesce behind our nominee, nothing but more of the same.
I didn't nominate him. He's no Conservative. Maybe y'all should go coalesce.
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The GOP hasn't nominated anyone and it will be done by the delegates. Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe] and deserves our support to defeat Hillary Clinton.
If you can't see that, you have no interest in defeating her. It's up to us not, the GOP.
Deserves? If he wants my support he has to earn it. He hasn't even come close. There is no 'divine right' to my support, and if there was he would not be the heir apparent. That was the same BS attitude foisted on us by the GOPe, 'it's so-and-so's turn', and I am not playing that game.
He has been seen and found wanting. Besides, as wee have been repeatedly told, he doesn't need out votes anyhow.
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I didn't nominate him. He's no Conservative. Maybe y'all should go coalesce.
Reagan was maybe the last so-called Conservative elected even he drove up the debt.
Maybe we should just concentrate on keeping the Corporate Socialist out of power?
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/268947-a-democracy-lost-to-corporate-socialism
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Deserves? If he wants my support he has to earn it. He hasn't even come close. There is no 'divine right' to my support, and if there was he would not be the heir apparent. That was the same BS attitude foisted on us by the GOPe, 'it's so-and-so's turn', and I am not playing that game.
He has been seen and found wanting. Besides, as wee have been repeatedly told, he doesn't need out votes anyhow.
Joe, ...just posted...Trump and Cruz met today ...Cruz will be speaking at convention...said he'd be happy to do so and they will be working together on issues they agree on.....this is good news!
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Joe, ...just posted...Trump and Cruz met today ...Cruz will be speaking at convention...said he'd be happy to do so and they will be working together on issues they agree on.....this is good news!
Truly good news.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus/
Still holding out hope Cruz could be VP. He's definitely not GOPe.
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Joe, ...just posted...Trump and Cruz met today ...Cruz will be speaking at convention...said he'd be happy to do so and they will be working together on issues they agree on.....this is good news!
Please link to where Cruz said anything about working together with Trump.
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Please link to where Cruz said anything about working together with Trump.
From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus/index.html?sr=twCNN070716donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus0428PMStoryLink&linkId=26309561 (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus/index.html?sr=twCNN070716donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus0428PMStoryLink&linkId=26309561)
Paragraph six.
A senior Trump campaign official said Trump and Cruz agreed to no longer work against each other and would work together on policy issues where they share common ground. Trump also asked Cruz to help recommend potential judicial nominees, the official said.
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From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus/index.html?sr=twCNN070716donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus0428PMStoryLink&linkId=26309561 (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus/index.html?sr=twCNN070716donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus0428PMStoryLink&linkId=26309561)
Paragraph six.
Cruz hasn't been working against Orange Jesus in any meaningful way since he dropped out after Indiana. That sounds like face saving spin from a Trump flack in my professional opinion.
I still see it as someone pointed out earlier. Cruz talking about Conservative principals values without ever mentioning Trump by name once during his speech.
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Cruz hasn't been working against Orange Jesus in any meaningful way since he dropped out after Indiana. That sounds like face saving spin from a Trump flack in my professional opinion.
I still see it as someone pointed out earlier. Cruz talking about Conservative principals values without ever mentioning Trump by name once during his speech.
Yeah, I can agree with that. I'd take it as a positive if Trump would knock it off the "Lyin' Ted" crap.
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What if Trump chose Cruz as his VP? :pondering:
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I'd take it as a positive if Trump would knock it off the "Lyin' Ted" crap.
I would too.
However Donny can't even connect with the hanging curve he was pitched with the non indictment of Hillary. I don't hold oit much hope for the end of his derogatory attacks on Conservatives.
But we'll see.
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What if Trump chose Cruz as his VP? :pondering:
Castle still gets my vote and I still work to get as many Conservatives to vote Constitution or third party as possible.
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What if Trump chose Cruz as his VP? :pondering:
I hope Cruz turns him down. He's doing far more to move the conservative ball down the field right where he is, along with Senator Lee. VP is still a warm bucket of spit job.
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I would too.
However Donny can't even connect with the hanging curve he was pitched with the non indictment of Hillary. I don't hold oit much hope for the end of his derogatory attacks on Conservatives.
But we'll see.
Another good point, Tejas Guy. I can't believe how much of his speech he wasted the other day defending himself for saying Saddam Hussein was a swell guy when he could have been ripping Lyin' Crooked Hillary from one end of the stage to the other. He'd better up his game, and apparently dumping Lewandowski wasn't enough.
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What if Trump chose Cruz as his VP? :pondering:
The kiss of death. Trump is going down in November and association with him now will be a career ender.
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The kiss of death. Trump is going down in November and association with him now will be a career ender.
Regardless of how one feels about either of these two guys, you're probably right about that. Cruz would have a damned near impossible job of getting reelected if he joins Trump and crashes. And, if by some miracle Trump wins, then Cruz ends up in a job where he can't do any good in the Senate where he is.
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Regardless of how one feels about either of these two guys, you're probably right about that. Cruz would have a damned near impossible job of getting reelected if he joins Trump and crashes. And, if by some miracle Trump wins, then Cruz ends up in a job where he can't do any good in the Senate where he is.
And we NEED him in the Senate................. whether Democrat Clinton, or Democrat Trump wins the election.
There has to be sanity somewhere!
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What if Trump chose Cruz as his VP? :pondering:
@wolfcreek before Trump started with the attacks about Cruz's family I said that Cruz being the VP is the ONLY way I would vote for Trump.
Now I am not so sure. I would have some serious question about Cruz's integrity after the assaults his family received.
I would have to give it a lot and I mean a HUGE FREAKING amount of prayerful consideration.
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I hope Cruz turns him down. He's doing far more to move the conservative ball down the field right where he is, along with Senator Lee. VP is still a warm bucket of spit job.
Unless POTUS cashes out.
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The kiss of death. Trump is going down in November and association with him now will be a career ender.
You really do want Hillary, don't you. Masochist
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You really do want Hillary, don't you. Masochist
You really are a slow learner, aren't you?
Reading comprehension a problem for you??
NO ONE ON THIS FORUM IS FOR HILLARY!!
(Now stop repeating your egregious lie. All it does is diminish you).
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You really are a slow learner, aren't you?
Reading comprehension a problem for you??
NO ONE ON THIS FORUM IS FOR HILLARY!!
(Now stop repeating your egregious lie. All it does is diminish you).
Anti-Trump equals for Hillary...like it or not. It's called REALITY.
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I hope Cruz turns him down. He's doing far more to move the conservative ball down the field right where he is, along with Senator Lee. VP is still a warm bucket of spit job.
You get the deciding vote in the event of the Senate tie and a heads up for the party nomination in 4 to 8 years.
I mean how many here wanted Cruz to be POTUS? [including me]
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So is Anti-Hillary pro Trump?
You can't give the equivalent choice of Hitler versus Mussolini and fault those who choose to abstain. But hey, maybe a lot more bullying and insulting will bring everyone to their knees to kiss his ring.
As long as you don't try and talk people out of voting for Trump [or whoever the GOP nominee might be] I couldn't care less who you vote for. This active war against the presumptive nominee is being pro-Hillary.
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You really are a slow learner, aren't you?
Reading comprehension a problem for you??
NO ONE ON THIS FORUM IS FOR HILLARY!!
(Now stop repeating your egregious lie. All it does is diminish you).
He's really getting more hysterical in his rhetoric the close it gets to the convention.
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So is Anti-Hillary pro Trump?
You can't give the equivalent choice of Hitler versus Mussolini and fault those who choose to abstain. But hey, maybe a lot more bullying and insulting will bring everyone to their knees to kiss his ring.
Nobody is more anti Hillary than Never Trump.
Trump can't defeat Clinton.
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You really do want Hillary, don't you. Masochist
No. I don't want Trump. He's as bad or worse than she is.
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As long as you don't try and talk people out of voting for Trump [or whoever the GOP nominee might be] I couldn't care less who you vote for. This active war against the presumptive nominee is being pro-Hillary.
That is going to be my whole focus from now until November pal.
I plan on getting as many former Republicans and Conservatives to vote third party or write in their favorite Conservative if Hillary's stalking Horse is actually nominated.
No one calls me a traitor and threatens my liberty simply for refusing to genuflect a liberal narcissist from NY and gets anything but war from me.
People like you pushed me from simply voting my conscience into outright open and passionate activism against your prince.
Trump and his mob is far more dangerous than Hillary is. None of her Commie monkeys have threatened to kill us for refusing to vote for her. You people have.
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That is going to be my whole focus from now until November pal.
I plan on getting as many former Republicans and Conservatives to vote third party or write in their favorite Conservative if Hillary's stalking Horse is actually nominated.
No one calls me a traitor and threatens my liberty simply for refusing to genuflect a liberal narcissist from NY and gets anything but war from me.
People like you pushed me from simply voting my conscience into outright open and passionate activism against your prince.
Trump and his mob is far more dangerous than Hillary is. None of her Commie monkeys have threatened to kill us for refusing to vote for her. You people have.
And you ain't alone. :beer: :patriot:
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That is going to be my whole focus from now until November pal.
I plan on getting as many former Republicans and Conservatives to vote third party or write in their favorite Conservative if Hillary's stalking Horse is actually nominated.
No one calls me a traitor and threatens my liberty simply for refusing to genuflect a liberal narcissist from NY and gets anything but war from me.
People like you pushed me from simply voting my conscience into outright open and passionate activism against your prince.
Trump and his mob is far more dangerous than Hillary is. None of her Commie monkeys have threatened to kill us for refusing to vote for her. You people have.
They can treat that paranoia ya know.
You sound like the biggest bleep ever.
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And you ain't alone. :beer: :patriot:
Did someone threaten to kill you? :silly:
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You sound like the biggest bleep ever.
You're projecting again.
But that said - look to your own rabid mob of zealots for my bleeping. You guys made me an enemy.
I plan on living up to the charge.
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Did someone threaten to kill you? :silly:
When did you become part of the paid staff, wolfcreek?
(btw, you're not earning your pay. You can't convince people to join your way of thinking if all you do is use Alinsky tactics to ridicule those with whom you disagree).
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Anti-Trump equals for Hillary...like it or not. It's called REALITY.
That's an outright lie.
But then you know that, and keep doing it anyway.
I HATE Hillary. I DESPISE Hillary.
But I wouldn't vote for a pro-abortion, leftist reprobate like Trump for anything. And the fact that he's ushering in Hillary makes me despise him even more. He has LOST this election for Conservatives, and he has done it purposefully.
Now stop lying, please. NO one is convinced by your regurgitation of false talking points.
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Anti-Trump equals for Hillary...like it or not. It's called REALITY.
Actually, it is known as a false dichotomy. Can we stop that silly-assed nonsense before the convention?
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I will cast my vote with my eyes wide open as to the consequences. It is the Trump supporters who have willingly subscribed to a fable. No amount of fear-mongering over Clinton can convince me to vote for someone as dangerous and unfit as Donald Trump. If that's the choice, give me Hillary and a whole lot of well-aged whiskey.
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You're projecting again.
But that said - look to your own rabid mob of zealots for my bleeping. You guys made me an enemy.
I plan on living up to the charge.
I'm projecting?? You think people are out to kill you...over how you vote.
Ludicrous
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Actually, it is known as a false dichotomy. Can we stop that silly-assed nonsense before the convention?
You don't think they're not going to tell you the same thing at the convention? You think they're going to say, "continue criticizing Trump and go vote for some obscure third party"? Sure they are.
They're going to want HILLARY defeated by our nominee.
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I will cast my vote with my eyes wide open as to the consequences. It is the Trump supporters who have willingly subscribed to a fable. No amount of fear-mongering over Clinton can convince me to vote for someone as dangerous and unfit as Donald Trump. If that's the choice, give me Hillary and a whole lot of well-aged whiskey.
Cause you secretly have a crush. ^-^
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I'm projecting?? You think people are out to kill you...over how you vote.
Ludicrous
No, not ludicrous. It's what they wrote and "promise".
It's interesting that folks like you were saying the same thing and attributed the claim of 'paranoia' when noting the Trump militant were calling us traitors for refusing to vote for your prince.
"No one is calling you traitors, you are just making that up" we were told….. until Palin made it official Trump public policy last week.
Some of Trump's rabid nut jobs DO want to kill us, over how we vote.
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No, not ludicrous. It's what they wrote and "promise".
It's interesting that folks like you were saying the same thing and attributed the claim of 'paranoia' when noting the Trump militant were calling us traitors for refusing to vote for your prince.
"No one is calling you traitors, you are just making that up" we were told….. until Palin made it official Trump public policy last week.
Some of Trump's rabid nut jobs DO want to kill us, over how we vote.
Unhinged
That's what is really silly, Smokin Joe
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Anti-Trump equals for Hillary...like it or not. It's called REALITY.
You got it all wrong. Your reality is twisted. Anti Trump is because HE can't beat Hillary and we need someone who can, now that she isn't going to jail. Now she can keep getting Trump's money for her campaign.
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Unhinged
That's what is really silly, Smokin Joe
What is really silly is that of 16 candidates, a significant plurality has selected the least qualified and (arguably) least Conservative of the lot, and is threatening and browbeating the majority of Party members, calling them "traitors" and worse for not supporting that charlatan.
That's silly.
Take that farther, and the supporters of that New York Liberal real estate agent seem to get more desperate as they get more vicious in their attempts to get me and others like me to join in their folly.
Trump and his supporters won't gain my agreement with epithets, twisting my words only makes his supporters seem more twisted, every falsehood has undermined what is claimed as an ultimate truth.
But calling me a traitor? That has only crystallized my defiance.
#noteffingevertrump
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What is really silly is that of 16 candidates, a significant plurality has selected the least qualified and (arguably) least Conservative of the lot, and is threatening and browbeating the majority of Party members, calling them "traitors" and worse for not supporting that charlatan.
That's silly.
Take that farther, and the supporters of that New York Liberal real estate agent seem to get more desperate as they get more vicious in their attempts to get me and others like me to join in their folly.
Trump and his supporters won't gain my agreement with epithets, twisting my words only makes his supporters seem more twisted, every falsehood has undermined what is claimed as an ultimate truth.
But calling me a traitor? That has only crystallized my defiance.
#noteffingevertrump
I already told you it's about the negative (i.e. pro-Hillary) rhetoric, not who you vote for. Stop trying to convince others to help Hillary.
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Stop bossing other voters around. You get one vote. Define it how ever you please. You do not get to define the terms for the rest of us. Smokin' Joe is NOT a Hillary supporter. Trying to paint him as one just makes you a dishonest.
The Trump enforcers like wolfcreek don't care if they're dishonest. They're on a crusade to bully and browbeat everyone who doesn't agree with them into defying our consciences and doing something we believe to be morally reprehensible.
Honesty isn't part of the plan. I mean think about it....... they support one of the most dishonest human beings ever to run for political office. He lies on an almost daily basis, and none of his followers care.
Why should they not follow his example?
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Stop bossing other voters around. You get one vote. Define it how ever you please. You do not get to define the terms for the rest of us. Smokin' Joe is NOT a Hillary supporter. Trying to paint him as one just makes you a dishonest.
Stop being so dense. Anti-Trump rhetoric helps Hillary.
You vote for whoever you wish. That's your voice.
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The Trump enforcers like wolfcreek don't care if they're dishonest. They're on a crusade to bully and browbeat everyone who doesn't agree with them into defying our consciences and doing something we believe to be morally reprehensible.
Honesty isn't part of the plan. I mean think about it....... they support one of the most dishonest human beings ever to run for political office. He lies on an almost daily basis, and none of his followers care.
Why should they not follow his example?
Talk about lying.
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So, vote for whoever you wish, but praise Trump or be silent. :shrug:
No.
One of the weaker justifications trotted out for voting for the Orange bleep is "We can hold his feet to the fire." HOW!? If you can't criticise the guy, you ain't going to hold no feet to no damned fire. And don't tell me the spineless nematodes in Congress will. They NEVER have.
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So, vote for whoever you wish, but praise Trump or be silent. :shrug:
No.
One of the weaker justifications trotted out for voting for the Orange bleep is "We can hold his feet to the fire." HOW!? If you can't criticise the guy, you ain't going to hold no feet to no damned fire. And don't tell me the spineless nematodes in Congress will. They NEVER have.
How 'bout we wait until Hillary is out of the picture? [can we all agree that's the main goal?]
Critiquing Trump before he's actually governed seems premature.
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You are obnoxious in your new self appointed speech police role. I'll add you to my ignore list.
That will certainly add to your denseness.
It's my opinion, I have no enforcement powers.
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How 'bout we wait until Hillary is out of the picture? [can we all agree that's the main goal?]
No. The main goal is to promote and advance Conservatism.
Critiquing Trump before he's actually governed seems premature.
Soooo.... You've got to vote for it to see what's inside... Seems I've heard that one before somewhere... :whistle:
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How 'bout we wait until Hillary is out of the picture? [can we all agree that's the main goal?]
Critiquing Trump before he's actually governed seems premature.
Criticising Trump's complete lack of understanding of the limitations on the Presidency does not need to wait until he's actually governing. Be a bit late then, right?
As for waiting until Cankles is out of the picture, how about Trump stops saying stupid shit until that time as well?
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I already told you it's about the negative (i.e. pro-Hillary) rhetoric, not who you vote for. Stop trying to convince others to help Hillary.
It boils down to this. It's my vote, and I'll use it where and when I damned well please.
Your yapper-dog bitching that my criticisms of the Orange Glorious, which are many and profound, is somehow done in the spirit of helping his opponent(s) is crap. I don't support any New York Liberal running for POTUS, even the ones after skinny younger women, who have hung with that Epstein fellow, who have ripped people off, who attacked Conservatives, are pro Planned Parenthood, or who have benefited from Donations to the Clinton Foundation.
NOPE, not EITHER ONE of them.
But I will continue as is my First Amendment Right to gripe about them, their personal lives, the example they set for my children, their policy stances (when those can be ascertained), and why I think they'd be bad for America.
If you think picking on your boy today helps the other one, well, maybe you missed the decades of picking on her. I'm just trying to maintain parity in bitching about New York Liberals running for President, and I have a mite of catching up to do with him. I'll either be all caught up in a month or so, or 6 months, or a few years.
Your boy wants to play poly ticks, he'd better be able to take the heat. Snowflakes need not apply.
As for Her Hindness, well, I have little doubt she has all that and more, and some classified sh*t on him as well. She's had all those DOS connections to root and dig for her, and a virtually bottomless war chest.
I seriously doubt my little ramblings on this forum will cost the Orange Comb over the election or give her the 'big seecrit' that will tip his apple cart, and I won't praise Cankles either.
IMHO, both options suck. My vote will go elsewhere if that's the choice, or maybe I'll just keep it and vote the down ticket, but, once again, in harmony, with feeling: I am not voting for a New York Liberal for President
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How 'bout we wait until Hillary is out of the picture? [can we all agree that's the main goal?]
Critiquing Trump before he's actually governed seems premature.
Some of us don't like giving power to Saruman any better than Sauron.
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Some of us don't like giving power to Saruman any better than Sauron.
Come on now… everybody KNOWS Sauron is much more evil than Saruman! It is your DUTY to stop Sauron and vote for Saruman because we cannot survive Sauron, but we can hold Saruman's feet to the fire.
Speak no ill of Saruman! It only helps Sauron. And if you do not support Saruman, you are a traitor to middle earth and when the time comes, you will be rounded up for committing treason to the realm!
Saruman is the lesser of two evils and we only have the choice presented to us: Sauron or Saruman - and if you do not vote for Saruman you are helping Sauron and are a traitor.
Nevermind about this Aragorn, Son of Arathorn. He doesn't stand a chance to be king. We only have the two choices before us: Sauron or Saruman. Get on board the Orthanc train and save this Middle Earth or be branded a traitor and Sauron supporter!
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Come on now… everybody KNOWS Sauron is much more evil than Saruman! It is your DUTY to stop Sauron and vote for Saruman because we cannot survive Sauron, but we can hold Saruman's feet to the fire.
Speak no ill of Saruman! It only helps Sauron. And if you do not support Saruman, you are a traitor to middle earth and when the time comes, you will be rounded up for committing treason to the realm!
Saruman is the lesser of two evils and we only have the choice presented to us: Sauron or Saruman - and if you do not vote for Saruman you are helping Sauron and are a traitor.
Nevermind about this Aragorn, Son of Arathorn. He doesn't stand a chance to be king. We only have the two choices before us: Sauron or Saruman. Get on board the Orthanc train and save this Middle Earth or be branded a traitor and Sauron supporter!
Take on the mark of the surprisingly small orange hand of Saruman or choose the way of pain.
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Take on the mark of the surprisingly small orange hand of Saruman or choose the way of pain.
(https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/sarutrump1.jpg)
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Some of us don't like giving power to Saruman any better than Sauron.
Living in a fantasy world. Just as I thought.
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Living in a fantasy world. Just as I thought.
I suspect that men have sometimes derived more spiritual sustenance from myths they did not believe than from the religion they professed. To be truly Christian we must both assent to the historical fact and also receive the myth (fact though it has become) with the same imaginative embrace which we accord to all myth. The one is hardly more necessary than the other. -C.S. Lewis
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Living in a fantasy world. Just as I thought.
Using fictional popular culture to illustrate stark reality drives the point home better than an essay.
Even the Apostle Paul used the pagan gods at the Areopagus in Athens as a launchpad to preach the Gospel.
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Living in a fantasy world. Just as I thought.
Actually, literate people can appreciate the truth of that parallel.
As has been said above, even the Apostle Paul used what was known in order to help others understand.
Of course, he assume (correctly) that the people he was talking to were literate.......
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Using fictional popular culture to illustrate stark reality drives the point home better than an essay.
Even the Apostle Paul used the pagan gods at the Areopagus in Athens as a launchpad to preach the Gospel.
So do people living in their mom's basement.
I'm more into reality.
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So do people living in their mom's basement.
I'm more into reality.
More and more irrelevant and bizarre as the days go on.
Trumpism really DOES kill brain cells..........
Pick up a book. Read. Learn. It will get your brain functioning again, wolfcreek! You'll love it! ^-^
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More and more irrelevant and bizarre as the days go on.
Trumpism really DOES kill brain cells..........
Pick up a book. Read. Learn. It will get your brain functioning again, wolfcreek! You'll love it! ^-^
I don't have preconception of Trump being a savior or prince or a magician from a mostly children's set of novels. I just know Hillary would be the worst of all possibilities and the only way to stop her is through Trump.
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I don't have preconception of Trump being a savior or prince or a magician from a mostly children's set of novels. I just know Hillary would be the worst of all possibilities and the only way to stop her is through Trump.
The second part of your statement is where you're dead wrong. You can't stop Hillary by nominating her leftist, corrupt buddy as her "opponent." I'm not sure why you've sealed your eyes and brain to who Trump is, if you're so determined to beat Hillary, but you have.
He is the SAME as she is. He is not going to BEAT her. He is going to help her WIN.
They are BOTH evil/
(And if you think the Lord of the Rings Trilogy are "children's novels" you are more ignorant than I even imagined. They contain intellect and wisdom that it would behoove you to try to understand. But then again, you like Trump, so intellect and wisdom really aren't on your radar, are they? Dick and Jane Lie and Cheat and Steal from Old People is more his style......)
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The second part of your statement is where you're dead wrong. You can't stop Hillary by nominating her leftist, corrupt buddy as her "opponent." I'm not sure why you've sealed your eyes and brain to who Trump is, if you're so determined to beat Hillary, but you have.
He is the SAME as she is. He is not going to BEAT her. He is going to help her WIN.
They are BOTH evil/
(And if you think the Lord of the Rings Trilogy are "children's novels" you are more ignorant than I even imagined. They contain intellect and wisdom that it would behoove you to try to understand. But then again, you like Trump, so intellect and wisdom really aren't on your radar, are they? Dick and Jane Lie and Cheat and Steal from Old People is more his style......)
That would be your opinion and you must have done a bit too much acid back in the 60s.
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That would be your opinion and you must have done a bit too much acid back in the 60s.
You're not very good at being insulting, wolfcreek. Your Trump addiction must have addled your previously keen mind.
Either that, or you're channeling TOS and Mechanicos and their 3rd grade insults.
For the record, though, since you tossed out a Trump-stupid accusation, I've never used an illegal drug in my life, and during the entire decade of the 60's never even consumed an ounce of alcohol.
Your desperation is turning you into an idiot.
(But then again, you might go back to your saying I used to whine on another forum 5-10 years ago. That was a really effective ad hominem from a sickish mind. Resurrect it, and it might have some traction this time.... :dx1:)
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Using fictional popular culture to illustrate stark reality drives the point home better than an essay.
Even the Apostle Paul used the pagan gods at the Areopagus in Athens as a launchpad to preach the Gospel.
So do people living in their mom's basement.
I'm more into reality.
In 'your reality' Apostles preach the Gospel from pagan temples from the basement of their mother's?
Maybe that's it then, even scripture is a fantasy to you.
Would explain a great deal.
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Using fictional popular culture to illustrate stark reality drives the point home better than an essay.
Even the Apostle Paul used the pagan gods at the Areopagus in Athens as a launchpad to preach the Gospel.
In 'your reality' Apostles preach the Gospel from pagan temples from the basement of their mother's?
Maybe that's it then, even scripture is a fantasy to you.
Would explain a great deal.
The insults he's throwing out border on the bizarre, don't they??
Trump love does weird things to people. I hope they don't come back years later and read some of the bilge they're posting now.
They'll be embarrassed, methinks...... **nononono*
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The insults he's throwing out border on the bizarre, don't they??
Trump love does weird things to people. I hope they don't come back years later and read some of the bilge they're posting now.
They'll be embarrassed, methinks...... **nononono*
No, you'll be embarrassed when your Queen is inaugurated realizing it was partially your fault.
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No, you'll be embarrassed when your Queen is inaugurated realizing it was partially your fault.
So, you've gone from stupid 3rd grade insults to an egregious lie to try to defeat Conservatives with moral standards.
Your desperation is unbecoming, wolfcreek.
You know what you're saying is an outright lie, and yet in your desire to belittle me, you repeat it, knowing that it is sin to do so.
I'm done with you, wolfcreek.
You are a sick puppy, and no words will help you. Only your own soul-searching.
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The LIE that those of us who oppose LIBERAL TRUMP are for LIBERAL HILLARY will bring you down, wolfcreek.
Sin doesn't go unpunished, and these egregious lies you keep repeating are included in that. You know exactly what you're doing by repeating things that are so blatantly untrue.
For your own spiritual health, STOP it.
It's because we despise Hillary that we so desperately fought against her ally and friend, Donald Trump.
You KNOW that. You KNOW what's true.
If you're worried about spiritual health, I'd do my best to make sure Hillary is defeated.
I'll make you a deal. If you stop your incessant blather about your opinion of Trump, I'll never say you or anyone else is pro-Hillary again.
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If you're worried about spiritual health, I'd do my best to make sure Hillary is defeated.
I'll make you a deal. If you stop your incessant blather about your opinion of Trump, I'll never say you or anyone else is pro-Hillary again.
I changed my last post to something more appropriate for your desperate flailing attempts to make what's wrong right, and what's right wrong.
There is no reasoning with someone who is in love with evil. There is no rational defense that will turn a liberal like you into a principled conservative, so I'll leave you to your own devices.
You're a sad case, wolfcreek. I feel sorry for you.
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If you're worried about spiritual health, I'd do my best to make sure Hillary is defeated.
I'll make you a deal. If you stop your incessant blather about your opinion of Trump, I'll never say you or anyone else is pro-Hillary again.
btw, there is another blatant lie in this post.
You're really sick. REALLY sick.
The lies you keep telling don't hurt me, wolfcreek, because everyone here knows I hate Hillary and despise Trump for the same reason. They are corrupt liberals.
By repeating this lie, you just make yourself look awful.
So I will keep "blathering" about morality and Constitutional principles, and you can keep lying and making yourself look like an abject fool
Lies are very ineffective when the truth is so obvious to anyone with a functioning braincell.
That's pretty much everyone on this forum, except you.
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They (you know who I mean) sound like leftists trying to shut down the opposition. For all their false claims that we support Hillary, they sure act exactly like her. Even worse. She tolerates criticism better than they do.
I have no doubt that those who prattle on about how Conservatives love Hillary are themselves leftist trolls.
Don't know about this one, but you're right. Their behavior is identical to Hillary's.
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If you stop your incessant blather about your opinion of Trump, I'll never say you or anyone else is pro-Hillary again.
And right there folks, is the Modus Operandi of the Trump Militant: "your opinion must be silenced if you do not praise our prince, you must shut up - or we are going to charge you with whatever demagoguery we can dream up - most of the time by declaring you to be what we, ourselves are".
"Shut up, or be declared a traitor".
These people are no different than the tyrants for Hildabeast.
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And right there folks, is the Modus Operandi of the Trump Militant: "your opinion must be silenced if you do not praise our prince, you must shut up - or we are going to charge you with whatever demagoguery we can dream up - most of the time by declaring you to be what we, ourselves are".
"Shut up, or be declared a traitor".
These people are no different than the tyrants for Hildabeast.
And some are one and the same.....
But they cannot stop the truth with their threats and bullying. Truth always wins in the end.
And the truth about Trump is not going to be stopped by any form of tyrant...... especially an impotent internet bully.
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It is stunning to behold. You know, I don't care that they are in love with Trump. It bugs me that they think badgering me into submission and trying to silence me are valid tactics in a constitutional republic. Trump lost me forever because of his political positions, when you can even tell what they are, his liberal history, and his very evil, dishonest and abusive M.O. Oh, and his massive ego. They will never win me over to his side by calling me or my friends names and by lying.
Besides that, his Militants are chomping at the bit over all the punishment that Trump and his spokes imbeciles (Huckabee, Palin) are promising that Trump will dish out to all of those who will not support him.
We are dealing with some very seriously deranged individuals in the midst of a tyrannical mob who care nothing for the very liberties they once paid lip service to. They want blood. They want punishment.
That always happens with a mob that wants to make a man their king.
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It is stunning to behold. You know, I don't care that they are in love with Trump. It bugs me that they think badgering me into submission and trying to silence me are valid tactics in a constitutional republic. Trump lost me forever because of his political positions, when you can even tell what they are, his liberal history, and his very evil, dishonest and abusive M.O. Oh, and his massive ego. They will never win me over to his side by calling me or my friends names and by lying.
What bewilders me is that they think that telling blatant lies is going to hurt anyone but themselves. Who believes that Ted Cruz or Scott Walker supporters like Hillary?? It's so dumb it's almost funny........ except they keep trying it.
As for the badgering into submission................ who in their right mind thinks that a conservative with values is going to LOSE those values because somebody is threatening us?? Being a Conservative takes a strong will in this liberal world, and in a country that's going off the deep end into leftist oblivion. We aren't wimps, for heaven's sake. We're fighting against the trends of an amoral culture and liberalism gone wild.
All I can conclude is that these few here are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. They just keep trying the same dumb things with no success.
It's just stupid.
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Besides that, his Militants are chomping at the bit over all the punishment that Trump and his spokes imbeciles (Huckabee, Palin) are promising that Trump will dish out to all of those who will not support him.
We are dealing with some very seriously deranged individuals in the midst of a tyrannical mob who care nothing for the very liberties they once paid lip service to. They want blood. They want punishment.
That always happens with a mob that wants to make a man their king.
I do think you're right about some of them being deranged. After all, they are in love with a tyrant wannabe who smears and destroys anyone in his path.
There seems to be a trend for some of them to channel his evil by using the same Alinsky techniques on people who disagree with them. Some DO want us punished, and I don't have any more confidence in a Trump presidency than I do in what Obama has done.
He has tried to destroy his enemies........... US. And Trump will try to do the same thing to his enemy................ US.
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btw, there is another blatant lie in this post.
You're really sick. REALLY sick.
The lies you keep telling don't hurt me, wolfcreek, because everyone here knows I hate Hillary and despise Trump for the same reason. They are corrupt liberals.
By repeating this lie, you just make yourself look awful.
So I will keep "blathering" about morality and Constitutional principles, and you can keep lying and making yourself look like an abject fool
Lies are very ineffective when the truth is so obvious to anyone with a functioning braincell.
That's pretty much everyone on this forum, except you.
When are you all going to put a stop to this Shiite?
@mystery-ak @Repub4Trump @EC @Lando Lincoln @AbaraXas
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When are you all going to put a stop to this Shiite?
@mystery-ak @Repub4Trump @EC @Lando Lincoln @AbaraXas
You'd love that wouldn't you?
Have the owners and mods pull a Jimrob over here to satisfy your desires for purification of any and all dissent towards your king presumptive?
It's not enough you and your mobs have taken over numerous former Conservative boards and social groups, banning and running off anyone who dared speak an ill word of your prince.
It's not enough you and yours had a safe space created for you on this very board.
But it's not enough.
It's never enough.
You can dish it out both subtle and direct, but you people can't take it in return.
You must silence and demand all who are not in your cult of personality worship to be punished, run-off, banned, censored, ostracized and comments stricken by claiming offense unless we seig-heil your wannabe tyrant.
It makes you and your mob more tyrannical, thuggish and unreasonable than the Communist hordes salivating over queen Hildabeast.
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Quote from: wolfcreek on July 11, 2016, 06:18:15 PM
If you stop your incessant blather about your opinion of Trump, I'll never say you or anyone else is pro-Hillary again.
So basically if we stop invoking our 1st Amendment right to freedom of thought, expression and speech you'll stop lying about us?
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You'd love that wouldn't you?
Have the owners and mods pull a Jimrob over here to satisfy your desires for purification of any and all dissent towards your king presumptive?
It's not enough you and your mobs have taken over numerous former Conservative boards and social groups, banning and running off anyone who dared speak an ill word of your prince.
It's not enough you and yours had a safe space created for you on this very board.
But it's not enough.
It's never enough.
You can dish it out both subtle and direct, but you people can't take it in return.
You must silence and demand all who are not in your cult of personality worship to be punished, run-off, banned, censored, ostracized and comments stricken by claiming offense unless we seig-heil your wannabe tyrant.
It makes you and your mob more tyrannical, thuggish and unreasonable than the Communist hordes salivating over queen Hildabeast.
You would think if they wanted a Trump echo chamber where Orange Jesus is never ever criticized they'd have stayed at FR.
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I'll make you a deal. If you stop your incessant blather about your opinion of Trump, I'll never say you or anyone else is pro-Hillary again.
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
I realize that this is a very difficult concept for you and many of the other tRump cultists, but anti-tRump doe snot mean pro sHrillary.
Every time you repeat that lie you are simply bearing false witness.
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You would think if they wanted a Trump echo chamber where Orange Jesus is never ever criticized they'd have stayed at FR.
@txradioguy They are the muslims of the political world. Trump is their god and his word must be spread to the entire world. They will not be happy until they have taken over. They are fanatical in their posture.
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@txradioguy They are the muslims of the political world. Trump is their god and his word must be spread to the entire world. They will not be happy until they have taken over. They are fanatical in their posture.
Great analogy. And you're right...their fanaticism won't allow them to see anything other than what they wnat to believe...even when their view of things doesn't square with reality.
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btw, there is another blatant lie in this post.
You're really sick. REALLY sick.
The lies you keep telling don't hurt me, wolfcreek, because everyone here knows I hate Hillary and despise Trump for the same reason. They are corrupt liberals.
By repeating this lie, you just make yourself look awful.
So I will keep "blathering" about morality and Constitutional principles, and you can keep lying and making yourself look like an abject fool
Lies are very ineffective when the truth is so obvious to anyone with a functioning braincell.
That's pretty much everyone on this forum, except you.
Then STOP posting to me.
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And right there folks, is the Modus Operandi of the Trump Militant: "your opinion must be silenced if you do not praise our prince, you must shut up - or we are going to charge you with whatever demagoguery we can dream up - most of the time by declaring you to be what we, ourselves are".
"Shut up, or be declared a traitor".
These people are no different than the tyrants for Hildabeast.
Paxil
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So basically if we stop invoking our 1st Amendment right to freedom of thought, expression and speech you'll stop lying about us?
She can't stand my opinion and IMO her's contradicts the reality of the situation. Sounded like a fair trade to me.
She instead decided to default so, I wish to hear nothing else from her trap.
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She can't stand my opinion and IMO her's contradicts the reality of the situation. Sounded like a fair trade to me.
She instead decided to default so, I wish to hear nothing else from her trap.
Wolfie, you may be the strongest advocate for Hillary on this board. Yeah, you'll deny that, but Trump's nomination means a Clinton presidency. Take off your rose-colored glasses and see Trump how the rest of the nation sees him - erratic, unprincipled, fascistic. In a word - dangerous.
Those of us who want Trump replaced at the convention are the only ones with a practical plan for denying Clinton the White House. The Trumpsters may as well be working for Bill 'n Hillary.
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Wolfie, you may be the strongest advocate for Hillary on this board. Yeah, you'll deny that, but Trump's nomination means a Clinton presidency. Take off your rose-colored glasses and see Trump how the rest of the nation sees him - erratic, unprincipled, fascistic. In a word - dangerous.
Those of us who want Trump replaced at the convention are the only ones with a practical plan for denying Clinton the White House. The Trumpsters may as well be working for Bill 'n Hillary.
That's an opinion held by a small minority. Sounds mostly like a conspiracy theory.
Maybe Trump is really a reptilian. :pondering:
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Wolfie, you may be the strongest advocate for Hillary on this board. Yeah, you'll deny that, but Trump's nomination means a Clinton presidency. Take off your rose-colored glasses and see Trump how the rest of the nation sees him - erratic, unprincipled, fascistic. In a word - dangerous.
Those of us who want Trump replaced at the convention are the only ones with a practical plan for denying Clinton the White House. The Trumpsters may as well be working for Bill 'n Hillary.
:amen:
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When are you all going to put a stop to this Shiite?
@mystery-ak @Repub4Trump @EC @Lando Lincoln @AbaraXas
So it's OK for people to say what they know to be blatantly UNTRUE......... that we are SUPPORTING Hillary....... that we WANT Hillary........ even though they KNOW it is blatantly UNTRUE.......... and that those of us being lied about should just shut up and take it??
SO if wolfcreek constantly said what was UNTRUE about you, YOU would not defend the TRUTH, DC??
Give me a stinkin' break! If someone lied about you, you'd defend TRUTH.
Don't whine and tattle about how I respond to what others do to me, when you wouldn't take it yourself.
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Then STOP posting to me.
IOW, you're telling me to shut up.
All I'm telling you to do is TELL THE TRUTH.
Is that even possible for you?
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She can't stand my opinion and IMO her's contradicts the reality of the situation. Sounded like a fair trade to me.
She instead decided to default so, I wish to hear nothing else from her trap.
All you have to do is stop saying what you know absolutely is NOT true.
You can defend your boy Trump as much as you like........... unlike you, I believe in free speech........... but stop saying the same worn out false ad hominem about us. It's boring, and makes you look like you're missing brain function.
So look at it as a way of preserving your reputation as an honest broker.
Tell us why Trump is so glorious that you have decided to lose your character in order to smear his detractors. Tell us why ANY Conservative who cares about character, morality, integrity, the Constitution....... ANYTHING we value. Why should we support him??
Bottom line, you can't. So you say what is not true.
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All you have to do is stop saying what you know absolutely is NOT true.
You can defend your boy Trump as much as you like........... unlike you, I believe in free speech........... but stop saying the same worn out false ad hominem about us. It's boring, and makes you look like you're missing brain function.
So look at it as a way of preserving your reputation as an honest broker.
Tell us why Trump is so glorious that you have decided to lose your character in order to smear his detractors. Tell us why ANY Conservative who cares about character, morality, integrity, the Constitution....... ANYTHING we value. Why should we support him??
Bottom line, you can't. So you say what is not true.
Take a hint. I don't care what you think. Stop posting to me.
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When are you all going to put a stop to this Shiite?
@mystery-ak @Repub4Trump @EC @Lando Lincoln @AbaraXas
The bleep you pinging me for? This thread isn't in World News, so means jack shit to me as far as peoples behavior goes. You're on your own there. I don't mod outside my turf. Life's too short for that hassle. It's bad enough keeping Trump out of WN as it is.
As far as it being in the featured section goes - the OP was well written and deserved to get featured. You don't like that, write an article of your own to be put in the above the fold section. Although the author here, Invar, can testify I get pretty testy about tenses during editing.
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Take a hint. I don't care what you think. Stop posting to me.
Take a hint. I don't care what you think either.
Because you and Mechanicos both insult at a third grade level, and wouldn't recognize the truth if it hit you in the face, you are joining him in my very small IGNORE list. Actually, it's tiny. 3 people only.....
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The bleep you pinging me for? This thread isn't in World News, so means jack shit to me as far as peoples behavior goes. You're on your own there. I don't mod outside my turf. Life's too short for that hassle. It's bad enough keeping Trump out of WN as it is.
As far as it being in the featured section goes - the OP was well written and deserved to get featured. You don't like that, write an article of your own to be put in the above the fold section. Although the author here, Invar, can testify I get pretty testy about tenses during editing.
Pinged you because I was under the impression that you and @Lando Lincoln were MODS. Or, at the very least privy to what is being discussed/planned behind the curtain. According to Lando's posts yesterday, he has inside infor.
And I have no idea as to what your second paragraph refers. :shrug:
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@INVAR ~ I do agree with you on most of your espousements (thank you for taking the time!), but wanted to copy a quick note my husband left to me after he led/conducted his poetry slam, Sunday evening at a local establishment. Keep in mind, my husband and I were both #nevertrump, until very recently.
Yes, I would vote for Trump if he picks Pence -- or Cruz or Jindal or Walker (including Walker Texas Ranger). I want a reason to vote for Trump, because if Hillary wins, you know that it's a 95% chance it's ALL OVER, the END TIMES will be here, I'll get arrested for writing a blog or reading a Catholic poem I did tonight, whereas at LEAST, with Trump and a Conservative VP, I'd have a shot -- to survive...
Today I spoke at length with a long-time friend on Facebook, and she uttered similar words:
I don't want to sound crazy, but I have a very strong feeling that we are indeed in the End Times. Everybody from the top down is miserable. Now I know what the Lord meant by gnashing of teeth. These are some seriously horrible times with no palpable end in site!
Some people are hopeful for a 2020 Conservative. How many prayers will it take to even get there? :0001:
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@INVAR ~ I do agree with you on most of your espousements (thank you for taking the time!), but wanted to copy a quick note my husband left to me after he led/conducted his poetry slam, Sunday evening at a local establishment. Keep in mind, my husband and I were both #nevertrump, until very recently.
I appreciate sharing your thoughts, and I cannot begrudge anyone voting for whom they decide is best for their interests.
That said, Trump has given me absolutely no reason whatsoever to vote FOR him. In fact, he has done nothing but give me every reason to suspect he is just Hillary's stalking horse.
Regardless of what his motives are, true or not - I will never again cast a vote simply out of fear of the other guy. I've repented of such foolishness, because my convictions were easily sold to fear, and still we fall without slowing down on the trajectory that is now inevitable.
I will only vote for someone who shares the principles I hold sacred and has the fruits for me to trust his ability to uphold the very things I am empowering them to office with my support.
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I appreciate sharing your thoughts, and I cannot begrudge anyone voting for whom they decide is best for their interests.
That said, Trump has given me absolutely no reason whatsoever to vote FOR him. In fact, he has done nothing but give me every reason to suspect he is just Hillary's stalking horse.
Regardless of what his motives are, true or not - I will never again cast a vote simply out of fear of the other guy. I've repented of such foolishness, because my convictions were easily sold to fear, and still we fall without slowing down on the trajectory that is now inevitable.
I will only vote for someone who shares the principles I hold sacred and has the fruits for me to trust his ability to uphold the very things I am empowering them to office with my support.
:amen: EXACTLY I held my nose and voted for the last two RINO's foisted on us the LSM and the GOPe. Not this time. You have to earn my vote and neither of the two candidates have done that.
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:amen: EXACTLY I held my nose and voted for the last two RINO's foisted on us the LSM and the GOPe. Not this time. You have to earn my vote and neither of the two candidates have done that.
Except this time, there was no 'foisting'. The people voted Trump in ahead of all the other candidates.
I'd say Trump would have been the last pick of the LSM and the GOPe.
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Except this time, there was no 'foisting'. The people voted Trump in ahead of all the other candidates.
I'd say Trump would have been the last pick of the LSM and the GOPe.
@wolfcreek everytime orange glorious said something stupid the press lapped it up. they promoted his agenda to all of you LIV's and you lapped it up as well. The true Conservative candidates were ignored by the GOPe, and mocked by tRump. YOU are the face of the GOPe. and YOU are going to put sHrillary into office.
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@wolfcreek everytime orange glorious said something stupid the press lapped it up. they promoted his agenda to all of you LIV's and you lapped it up as well. The true Conservative candidates were ignored by the GOPe, and mocked by tRump. YOU are the face of the GOPe. and YOU are going to put sHrillary into office.
I voted for Cruz so, how is it possibly my fault?
It's the moronic neverTrumps that will tilt the scale towards Hillary. Live in denial if you must.
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Except this time, there was no 'foisting'.
Oh, I dunno... Feels pretty foisted to me.
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Oh, I dunno... Feels pretty foisted to me.
Like Romney or McCain? Seriously? You do know either of those guys could have been POTUS had only a few million people gotten off their butts and voted.
You know as well as I that Trump is hated by the Leftist media and the GOPe. [among others] The RNC, OTOH, is doing what protocol requires...nominating the candidate the PEOPLE chose.
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Like Romney or McCain? Seriously? You do know either of those guys could have been POTUS had only a few million people gotten off their butts and voted.
You know as well as I that Trump is hated by the Leftist media and the GOPe. [among others] The RNC, OTOH, is doing what protocol requires...nominating the candidate the PEOPLE chose.
Romney and McCain never gave voters a reason to vote for them, in fact McCain actually endorsed Obama a few weeks before the election. I've noticed over the years that fear is a poor motivator for getting votes, and this election is no different. The consequences are always "dire."
Mr. Trump has got to find a reason to vote FOR him, something other than "Hillary Clinton will destroy all we hold dear."
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Romney and McCain never gave voters a reason to vote for them, in fact McCain actually endorsed Obama a few weeks before the election. I've noticed over the years that fear is a poor motivator for getting votes, and this election is no different. The consequences are always "dire."
Mr. Trump has got to find a reason to vote FOR him, something other than "Hillary Clinton will destroy all we hold dear."
Least you sound open to the possibility.
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Like Romney or McCain? Seriously? You do know either of those guys could have been POTUS had only a few million people gotten off their butts and voted.
Sure... And the same thing will happen to Trump.
You know as well as I that Trump is hated by the Leftist media and the GOPe. [among others] The RNC, OTOH, is doing what protocol requires...nominating the candidate the PEOPLE chose.
Yeah.... Not. The media was complicit in giving Trump so much free air... Even actively participating in the shtick he pumped out... And suffocating everyone else by comparison.
And now that the pubbies have the worst possible candidate - The one with 70% disapproval rates - The media will take him out.
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Least you sound open to the possibility.
Correct.
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I appreciate sharing your thoughts, and I cannot begrudge anyone voting for whom they decide is best for their interests.
That said, Trump has given me absolutely no reason whatsoever to vote FOR him. In fact, he has done nothing but give me every reason to suspect he is just Hillary's stalking horse.
Regardless of what his motives are, true or not - I will never again cast a vote simply out of fear of the other guy. I've repented of such foolishness, because my convictions were easily sold to fear, and still we fall without slowing down on the trajectory that is now inevitable.
I will only vote for someone who shares the principles I hold sacred and has the fruits for me to trust his ability to uphold the very things I am empowering them to office with my support.
Completely understandable! I fault no one for voting for neither candidate. We did not vote for Romney, for example, but during this second term of Obama's, things in general are falling and failing at an incredible speed, so we are passing over Trump, to vote for an acceptable VP. Of course, a miracle at the convention would be the best of all. Or any other type of miracle too.
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Completely understandable! I fault no one for voting for neither candidate. We did not vote for Romney, for example, but during this second term of Obama's, things in general are falling and failing at an incredible speed, so we are passing over Trump, to vote for an acceptable VP. Of course, a miracle at the convention would be the best of all. Or any other type of miracle too.
Vote for an acceptable VP?
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I voted for Cruz so, how is it possibly my fault?
Interesting how that works, isn't it? I'm still trying to figure out how my vote for Castle is going to tilt the scale towards Hillary.
It's the moronic neverTrumps that will tilt the scale towards Hillary. Live in denial if you must.
And there you go again.
I firmly believe that Trump is Hildabeast's Stalking Horse, his job is done. Hillary will be queen unless Obama decides to stoke the racial uproar at the conventions and sticks around as the treasonous BLM scum have said they are working towards.
That said, if Conservatives who will not sell their principles to vote for a liberal charlatan from NYC are going to be 'responsible' for tipping the scales towards The Mao Pantsuit, you are doing a terrific job of winning them over to your side by castigating and threatening them with the very thing that bewildered you about being responsible for Trump being the nominee in the first place.
In fact, it is precisely because of rabid fear-stoked Trump acolytes like yourself, that have pushed me from simply voting my own conscience in November, into open activism against your anointed and working for Conservatives to vote for Castle or to Write in an actual Conservative.
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Interesting how that works, isn't it? I'm still trying to figure out how my vote for Castle is going to tilt the scale towards Hillary.
And there you go again.
I firmly believe that Trump is Hildabeast's Stalking Horse, his job is done. Hillary will be queen unless Obama decides to stoke the racial uproar at the conventions and sticks around as the treasonous BLM scum have said they are working towards.
That said, if Conservatives who will not sell their principles to vote for a liberal charlatan from NYC are going to be 'responsible' for tipping the scales towards The Mao Pantsuit, you are doing a terrific job of winning them over to your side by castigating and threatening them with the very thing that bewildered you about being responsible for Trump being the nominee in the first place.
In fact, it is precisely because of rabid fear-stoked Trump acolytes like yourself, that have pushed me from simply voting my own conscience in November, into open activism against your anointed and working for Conservatives to vote for Castle or to Write in an actual Conservative.
Your voting for Castle could take a vote away from Hillary but, only if you were originally going to vote for her. Giving that vote to Trump would definitely decrease the odds of Hillary winning.
BTW: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/12/rnc-chief-reince-priebus-lets-face-it-these-dump-trump-people-are-sore-losers/
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Regardless of what you or Rinse Prius has to say, Trump will never get our vote - period. End of sentence.
Trump has no intention of winning anyway, so this whole argument is moot.