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General Category => World News => Topic started by: Lando Lincoln on August 04, 2020, 04:41:13 pm
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https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Insight/status/1290668363459559424
https://twitter.com/FadyRoumieh/status/1290669185715118086
https://twitter.com/zainabhijazi97/status/1290672669348814850
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https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Insight/status/1290668363459559424
https://twitter.com/FadyRoumieh/status/1290669185715118086
https://twitter.com/zainabhijazi97/status/1290672669348814850
Yet another "Watch this! I'm only going to show you once" incident perhaps?
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1290676395316850688
https://twitter.com/SVNewsAlerts/status/1290674216623366144
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"Fireworks?"
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"Fireworks?"
Ammo cache?
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"Fireworks?"
Maybe it's just me, but I'm betting that fire found a bomb factory.
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BBC - Beirut blast: Explosion rocks city injuring many (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53656220)
… It comes at a sensitive time, ahead of the verdict in a trial over the killing of ex-PM Rafik Hariri in 2005.
A UN tribunal is due to issue its verdict in the trial of four suspects in the murder by car bomb of Hariri on Friday. …
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BBC Live Updates and Reports (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-53656328)
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UPDATE: Al-Hadeth News Says MASSIVE Beirut Explosion Was Warehouse for Iranian Missiles to Hezbollah — INSANE VIDEO!
By Jim Hoft
Full story, video, etc., at Gateway Pundit (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/update-al-hadeth-news-says-massive-beirut-explosion-warehouse-iranian-missiles-hezbollah/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons)
Published August 4, 2020 at 12:03pm
... But now there are conflicting reports including a report at Al-Hadeth that claims the massive explosion was a Hezbollah warehouse in Beirut for missiles from Iran. ...
Status-6 @Archer83Able
Pentagon spokeswomen: We are watching the developments of the explosion in Beirut and it is too early to comment.
via @SkyNewsArabia_B
12:37 PM · Aug 4, 2020
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EMSC@LastQuake
We received a number of reports from #Cyprus (250km away) which seem related to this explosion, reporting noise and rattling windows
12:30 PM · Aug 4, 2020
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Status-6 @Archer83Able
Director-General of the Lebanese Public Security: What happened is not a bomb explosion, but a high explosive material that was confiscated (?) some time ago.
via @AlMayadeenLive
12:58 PM · Aug 4, 2020
Beirut port:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eel4UbsXoAcY1w2?format=jpg&name=medium)
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I can remember a time when Beirut was one of the most beautiful places on earth to visit. Sadly, that time is long past.
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I can remember a time when Beirut was one of the most beautiful places on earth to visit. Sadly, that time is long past.
The Paris of the Mideast. Dean Martin even referred to it in song.
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Multiple videos in this blogpost, https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/08/04/terrifying-explosion-beirut/ , and some guesses. It already has a couple of updates, so there may be more updates to it yet to come.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1290675854767513600
The video above shows what happened in real time. It is extreme.
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Associated Press journalist tweets:
Dalal Mawadدلال معوض @dalalmawad
Head of General Security says the blast was caused by a fire in a depot of highly explosive material, including Sodium nitrate, at Beirut's port. He said that material was confiscated from a ship months ago and stored there. #Lebanon
1:04 PM · Aug 4, 2020·
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Associated Press journalist tweets:
The red smoke makes sense with sodium nitrate.
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The video above shows what happened in real time. It is extreme.
The shock wave is amazing.
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"this has to do with a bombing of a weapons shipment from Hezbollah." Some are saying.
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Dalal Mawadدلال معوض @dalalmawad
Head of General Security says the blast was caused by a fire in a depot of highly explosive material, including Sodium nitrate, at Beirut's port. He said that material was confiscated from a ship months ago and stored there. #Lebanon
1:04 PM · Aug 4, 2020·
If that is the case, it qualifies as the dumb ass of the century award.
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many photos here
https://www.foxnews.com/world/beruit-explosions-damage-photos (https://www.foxnews.com/world/beruit-explosions-damage-photos)
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/08/938/591/beirut7.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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If that is the case, it qualifies as the dumb ass of the century award.
Wow, this thing may have have quite a bit of similarity to the 1947 Texas City explosion (except it was ammonium nitrate). I remember my grandparents telling me they heard that one 150 miles away.
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I saw a video on Twitter taken by a guy walking down a street - bodies strewn about. Just awful. You can see it somewhere on this thread: https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1290676485343318017
People also speculating it wasn't just that some confiscated weapons were stored there, but that it was a factory producing missiles for Iran. Others (of course, kneejerk) blaming Israel. Perhaps we'll see. :shrug:
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White structure near the original fire seems to be a very large grain elevator.
When empty or partially empty, these can be vulnerable to huge explosions due to the highly volatile dust inside.
Some URLs (these may be repeats of those already posted):
https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1290676395316850688
https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Insight/status/1290668363459559424
https://twitter.com/FadyRoumieh/status/1290669185715118086
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23lebanon&src=typed_query
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eel-m8UXkAAbL4m?format=jpg&name=large)
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Don't you love how the news media throw in facts which may have absolutely nothing to do with the story, apparently in the hope the reader may conclude they do?
Beirut blast: Hundreds injured in explosion - Red Cross
26 minutes ago
A large blast in the Lebanese capital, Beirut, has caused widespread damage, injuring hundreds of people, the Lebanese Red Cross says.
It is not yet clear what caused the explosion in the city's port region. Video posted online showed a large mushroom cloud and destroyed buildings.
Hospitals are said to be overwhelmed by casualties.
Lebanon's internal security chief said the blast happened in an area housing highly explosive materials.
The explosion comes at a sensitive time for Lebanon, with an economic crisis reigniting old divisions. Tensions are also high ahead of Friday's verdict in a trial over the killing of ex-Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in 2005. ...
What's the situation in Lebanon?
Lebanon is experiencing political turmoil, with street demonstrations against the government's handling of the worst economic crisis since the 1975-1990 civil war.
There has also been tension on the border with Israel, which said last week that it had thwarted an attempt by Hezbollah to infiltrate Israeli territory. But a senior Israeli official has told the BBC that "Israel has no connection" to the Beirut blast.
The blast happened close to the scene of a huge car bombing which killed ex-PM Rafik Hariri in 2005. Tuesday's blast also came days before the long-awaited verdict in the trial at a special court in the Netherlands of four men accused of orchestrating the attack.
More at BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53656220)
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Similar explosion in 1947 in Texas City, Texas which witnesses also claim looked like a nuclear explosion and was the largest explosion ever in the U.S. The Sodium Nitrate explosion claim seems likely.
As for Trump's response, he's already claiming it was a bomb. Way too soon for him to be making the claim that it was an attack.
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Google Maps answers a lot of questions. That section of the port has grain Silos. Likely Ammonium Nitrate (fertilizer). The big building is grain silos. Similar explosion in 1947 in Texas City, Texas which witnesses also claim looked like a nuclear explosion and was the largest explosion ever in the U.S.
As for Trump's response, he's already claiming it was a bomb. Way too soon for him to be making the claim that it was an attack.
Impeach him again! Harder!!
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White structure near the original fire seems to be a very large grain elevator.
When empty or partially empty, these can be vulnerable to huge explosions due to the highly volatile dust inside.
Some URLs (these may be repeats of those already posted):
https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1290676395316850688
https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Insight/status/1290668363459559424
https://twitter.com/FadyRoumieh/status/1290669185715118086
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23lebanon&src=typed_query
It looked as though there were smaller explosions before the big blast. Sodium nitrate would go off all at once without warning, wouldn't it?
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=ZzIuaoc-UYs&feature=emb_logo#)
Breaking: Death toll in Beirut explosions rises to 50 people. At least 2,750 people are injured.
By Strange Sounds -Aug 4, 2020
https://strangesounds.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion-video-picture-aftermath-injuries.html (https://strangesounds.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion-video-picture-aftermath-injuries.html)
Beirut Explosion Causes Widespread Damage, Kills More Than 50 and Injures at Least 2,750 – Watch the Giant Mushroom Cloud and the Devastating Aftermath of the Massive Blast in These Insane Videos
A large blast has hit the Lebanese capital, Beirut, causing widespread damage, killing at least 50 and injuring more than 2,000 people, officials say.
Reports say the explosion was in the port area of the city, with unconfirmed reports of a second blast. It is not clear what caused them.
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Trump calls Beirut explosion an 'attack'
https://thehill.com/policy/international/510571-trump-calls-beirut-explosion-an-attack
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=ZzIuaoc-UYs&feature=emb_logo#)
Breaking: Death toll in Beirut explosions rises to 50 people. At least 2,750 people are injured.
By Strange Sounds -Aug 4, 2020
https://strangesounds.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion-video-picture-aftermath-injuries.html (https://strangesounds.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion-video-picture-aftermath-injuries.html)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Crab_jawdrop.jpg)
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That was a pretty mushroom type cloud looking explosion. Some say the should check for radiation at the blast site.......
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That was a pretty mushroom type cloud looking explosion. Some say the should check for radiation at the blast site.......
The concussion of that blast is amazing. They say "50 dead," but that's bullshit. There's a Hella lot more than that.
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That was a pretty mushroom type cloud looking explosion. Some say the should check for radiation at the blast site.......
If this is a sodium nitrate explosion this would have to be the most unlucky port facility ever, to have a raging fire start right next door to ill advisedly stored chemicals that weren't supposed to be there in the first place. 'Cause there was something else burning & exploding pretty well before hand.
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Breaking911
@Breaking911
BREAKING UPDATE: The Israeli Government has approached the Lebanese government via diplomatic channels and offered humanitarian and medical assistance following deadly explosion
3:04 PM · Aug 4, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1290725325513658368
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It's hard to say. Beirut still looks like the Beirut of the late 70's. A bombed out shell. When I saw the pictures of the aftermath, I kept asking myself, "What's new in this picture?" the devestation still looks the same.
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Wojciech Pawelczyk
@Woj_Pawelczyk
President @realDonaldTrump on the Beirut explosion: I've met with some of our great generals. They just seemed to feel like it was an attack
Video: https://twitter.com/Woj_Pawelczyk/status/1290778407471587329
6:35 PM · Aug 4, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Bit different feel to the truth than just 'Trump Calls It An Attack'.
I effing hate the media.
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Bit different feel to the truth than just 'Trump Calls It An Attack'.
I effing hate the media.
:thumbsup:
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Beirut blast: Massive explosion shakes Lebanon’s capital; at least 50 dead, thousands injured,†by Danielle Wallace and Bradford Betz, Fox News, August 4, 2020:
A massive explosion shook Beirut on Tuesday, killing at least 50 people and injuring thousands of others while flattening much of the port, damaging buildings across the capital, and sending a giant mushroom cloud into the sky.
The cause of the explosion remains unclear. The Lebanese Red Cross tweeted that more than 30 teams were responding to the scene of the blast via ambulances.
The health minister said at least 50 people were killed and over 2,700 were injured….
Abbas Ibrahim, chief of Lebanese General Security, said the explosion might have been caused by highly explosive material that was confiscated from a ship some time ago and stored at the port. Local television channel LBC said the material was sodium nitrate….
Witnesses reported seeing a strange orange-colored cloud over the site after the explosion. Orange clouds of toxic nitrogen dioxide gas often accompany an explosion involving nitrates.
Video taken by residents showed a fire raging at the port, sending up a giant column of smoke, illuminated by flashes of what appear to be fireworks. Local TV stations reported that a fireworks warehouse was involved.
The fire then appeared to catch at a nearby building, triggering a more massive explosion, sending up a mushroom cloud and a shock wave.
Hours after the explosion ambulances were still carrying away the wounded. Officials said the city’s hospitals were filled to capacity….
The cause of the blast is under investigation but Hezbollah is already in the limelight, multiple intelligence sources told Fox News.
“There are cars with dead people in the streets under rubble, and the medical infrastructure was already at full speed due to the pandemic and lack of supplies,†one source in the region said.
Another source told Fox News that the port was unofficially controlled by Hezbollah, thus pointing out that other adverse players in the region could have played a role.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/08/lebanon-massive-explosion-in-beirut-at-least-50-dead-1000s-injured-hizballah-already-in-the-limelight (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/08/lebanon-massive-explosion-in-beirut-at-least-50-dead-1000s-injured-hizballah-already-in-the-limelight)
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2,750 Tonnes Of Ammonium Nitrate Exploded: Lebanon PM On Beirut Blasts
"It is unacceptable that a shipment of 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate has been present for six years in a warehouse, without taking preventive measures," he said at a defence council meeting, a spokesman told a press conference.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/lebanon-pm-hassan-diab-on-beirut-blasts-2-750-tonnes-of-ammonium-nitrate-exploded-2274291 (https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/lebanon-pm-hassan-diab-on-beirut-blasts-2-750-tonnes-of-ammonium-nitrate-exploded-2274291)
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The concussion of that blast is amazing. They say "50 dead," but that's bullshit. There's a Hella lot more than that.
If it was a corona virus count we would multiply that number by 100.
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Is there a difference between sodium nitrate and ammonium nitrate? The moment I saw this I thought it looked exactly like Texas City 1947, but the reporter said sodium nitrate. Some reports say ammonium, others say sodium. Whatever. I'm sure it'll be cleared up in time. All I could think of was Texas City in '47, except with much clearer footage of the event. My heart goes out to those who experienced this horror.
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The concussion of that blast is amazing. They say "50 dead," but that's bullshit. There's a Hella lot more than that.
Kind of hard to count a body if it's vaporized.
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The concussion of that blast is amazing. They say "50 dead," but that's bullshit. There's a Hella lot more than that.
Good grief. It's only a few hours into the event. There's no way anyone could expect them to have anything even close to an accurate count. It's likely to be months. There will be fragments of bodies that will wash ashore or be strewn throughout the landscape. There will be people who never return home. There will be corpses under all that rubble. This is simply a preliminary report of a breaking news story.
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That wall of sound even walled up the ocean it was traveling over... I have shot a .308 and seen a 50cal shot, not even close... seen a canon shot close range, not even close again to this... never have I see a sound wave like that baring a nuclear blast footage. That is a scramble your guts explosion.
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Similar explosion in 1947 in Texas City, Texas which witnesses also claim looked like a nuclear explosion and was the largest explosion ever in the U.S. The Sodium Nitrate explosion claim seems likely.
@NavyCanDo
Static electricity can set this stuff off if it is stored in an enclosed space with no air circulation in weather this hot.
These silos MUST be grounded as well as have ample air circulation.
The explosion could have came from something as simple as a circuit that controls the fans was shorted out. Yeah,there are SUPPOSED to be controls with warning lights and physical checks,but the reality doesn't always match with the "supposed to be".
As for Trump's response, he's already claiming it was a bomb. Way too soon for him to be making the claim that it was an attack.
Unless he already knows something the rest of us don't know,I agree. It ain't like waiting a day or two for evidence to show up before popping off would hurt anything. After all,this ain't politics UNTIL AND UNLESS it is determined to have been an act of terrorism.
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That was a pretty mushroom type cloud looking explosion. Some say the should check for radiation at the blast site.......
@Wingnut
Somebody is always saying something.
Meanwhile,there are professionals whose job it is to determine the cause of the explosion already on the job,and I am going to take a wild guess and say they showed up with Geiger Counters or their modern digital replacements already in hand.
Now,IF you are asking "IF it was determined to have been a nuclear blast,will this information be made public?",dats a hole nuther question.
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The concussion of that blast is amazing. They say "50 dead," but that's bullshit. There's a Hella lot more than that.
@Cyber Liberty
In a city as built-up and populated as Beirut,the true number will have to be closer to 500 dead than 50 dead.
Of course,it is likely to take the authorities weeks to clear away all the rubble to get a truly accurate count.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EepJfBWXoAAhnv9?format=jpg&name=small)
Check out the crater left behind from the blast. That bank of grain silos actually deflected some of the shock wave up and away from the opposite harbor and the city beyond.
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Hezbollah is at Fault for the Explosion In Beirut
By: Bart Marcois - August 4, 2020We have seen video of a horrific explosion in Beirut, that produced a mushroom cloud and caused a shock wave that was felt in Cyprus, 140 miles away. Every pane of glass within a radius of six miles was shattered. The port and airport are both reportedly destroyed, along with much of central Beirut. This was a huge explosion, even by Beirut’s standards.
The explosion produced an unusual cloud of orange-colored smoke, suggesting the presence of nitrogen oxides from nitrate compounds. ...
The official explanation of the cause of the blast is that there was a load of ammonium nitrate that was seized from a ship 6 years ago and has been sitting in a port warehouse all that time. Customs officials have documented their repeated attempts to re-export the ammonium nitrate because of safety concerns. They never received any reply from Lebanese authorities, so the ammonium nitrate just stayed where it was. We are told there was an accidental fire in an adjoining warehouse, that happened to contain fireworks, and this nightmare is the result of an unhappy accident.
People will engage in finger-pointing and blame-shifting as investigations into the explosion continue. But one thing is very clear: Hezbollah owns Lebanon. They have an intimate relationship with Iran, and with Russia through Iran. Hezbollah and Syria both are subsidiaries of Iranian policy, and work together to accomplish Iranian objectives.
Hezbollah runs the airport and the port. ...
More at OpsLens (http://opslens.com/what-just-happened-with-the-explosion-in-beirut/)
Bart Marcois (@bmarcois) was the principal deputy assistant secretary of energy for international affairs during the Bush administration. Additionally, Marcois served as a career foreign service officer with the State Department.
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Beirut priest runs for life during livestreamed Mass as debris falls during blast, (https://nypost.com/2020/08/05/beirut-priest-runs-for-life-during-mass-as-debris-falls-during-blast/) story and video at NY Post.
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Is there a difference between sodium nitrate and ammonium nitrate? The moment I saw this I thought it looked exactly like Texas City 1947, but the reporter said sodium nitrate. Some reports say ammonium, others say sodium. Whatever. I'm sure it'll be cleared up in time. All I could think of was Texas City in '47, except with much clearer footage of the event. My heart goes out to those who experienced this horror.
Yes @AllThatJazzZ there is a difference. Sodium nitrate NaNO ₃(Chile saltpeter) is a salt most commonly used in the meat curing process. Ammonium nitrate NH4NO3 It is a white crystalline solid and is highly soluble in water. It is predominantly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer.
Its other major use is as a component of explosive mixtures used in mining, quarrying, and civil construction. It is the major constituent of ANFO, a popular industrial explosive which accounts for 80% of explosives used in North America; similar formulations have been used in improvised explosive devices.
So I'm going to come down on the side of Ammonium Nitrate being the culprit in this incident.
That quantity should NEVER have been stored as it was in ANY urban enviornment.
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At least 100 dead after Beirut explosions; 300,000 homeless
https://www.breitbart.com/news/at-least-100-dead-after-beirut-explosions-300000-homeless/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/at-least-100-dead-after-beirut-explosions-300000-homeless/)
(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/wi/upi/05/at-100-dead-beirut-explosions-300-000-homeless-explosions-beirut-port-640x385.jpg)
Photos: ‘Devastated’ Beirut Emerges from the Ashes After Deadly Explosion
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/08/04/photos-devastated-beirut-emerges-from-the-ashes-after-deadly-explosion/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/08/04/photos-devastated-beirut-emerges-from-the-ashes-after-deadly-explosion/)
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Yes @AllThatJazzZ there is a difference. Sodium nitrate NaNO ₃(Chile saltpeter) is a salt most commonly used in the meat curing process. Ammonium nitrate NH4NO3 It is a white crystalline solid and is highly soluble in water. It is predominantly used in agriculture as a high-nitrogen fertilizer.
Its other major use is as a component of explosive mixtures used in mining, quarrying, and civil construction. It is the major constituent of ANFO, a popular industrial explosive which accounts for 80% of explosives used in North America; similar formulations have been used in improvised explosive devices.
So I'm going to come down on the side of Ammonium Nitrate being the culprit in this incident.
That quantity should NEVER have been stored as it was in ANY urban enviornment.
Any idea how much TNT 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate is equivalent to? That's a really big bomb...
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Crab_jawdrop.jpg)
Just by the mere size of the explosion one would think the death toll would go significantly higher. May God be with the injured and their families. Just horrible.....
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Any idea how much TNT 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate is equivalent to? That's a really big bomb...
According to wiki , the '47 Texas City exposion was 2300 tons. 581 killed, another 5,000 injured.
Also supposedly (again from wiki) the "relative effectiveness ratio of Ammonium Nitrate to TNT is 0.43, which bascially means this blast is equivalant to exploding about 1100 tons of TNT
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According to wiki , the '47 Texas City exposion was 2300 tons. 581 killed, another 5,000 injured.
Also supposedly (again from wiki) the "relative effectiveness ratio of Ammonium Nitrate to TNT is 0.43, which bascially means this blast is equivalant to exploding about 1100 tons of TNT
So about 1/20 of Fat Man. Big bomb...
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Any idea how much TNT 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate is equivalent to? That's a really big bomb...
I don't have the time or inclination right now but be my guest @DB
Studies of the TNT equivalence of propane, propane/oxygen, and ANFO (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00193-020-00949-w)
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At least 100 dead after Beirut explosions; 300,000 homeless
https://www.breitbart.com/news/at-least-100-dead-after-beirut-explosions-300000-homeless/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/at-least-100-dead-after-beirut-explosions-300000-homeless/)
(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/wi/upi/05/at-100-dead-beirut-explosions-300-000-homeless-explosions-beirut-port-640x385.jpg)
1947 explosion in Texas City
(https://scholarship.rice.edu/bitstream/handle/1911/21676/wrc00114.jpg?sequence=22&isAllowed=y)
Photos: ‘Devastated’ Beirut Emerges from the Ashes After Deadly Explosion
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/08/04/photos-devastated-beirut-emerges-from-the-ashes-after-deadly-explosion/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/08/04/photos-devastated-beirut-emerges-from-the-ashes-after-deadly-explosion/)
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According to wiki , the '47 Texas City exposion was 2300 tons. 581 killed, another 5,000 injured.
Also supposedly (again from wiki) the "relative effectiveness ratio of Ammonium Nitrate to TNT is 0.43, which bascially means this blast is equivalant to exploding about 1100 tons of TNT
It's probably a comparison of 2300 tons in Texas city to 2700 Metric Tonnes in Beirut. Either way, it's likely at least a one Kiloton explosion, in terms of Dynamite.
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(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/GettyImages-1227908701.jpg)
So where the hell did all of that red smoke come from? I do not believe that to be typical of an ammonium nitrate explosion.
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A bride was posing for photos when the blast occurred.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=M0tURkKTaf8&feature=emb_logo#)
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(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/GettyImages-1227908701.jpg)
So where the hell did all of that red smoke come from? I do not believe that to be typical of an ammonium nitrate explosion.
When I played with making nitroglycerin when I was in high school it produced a lot of red smoke. I would assume that's the nitrate burning.
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When I played with making nitroglycerin when I was in high school it produced a lot of red smoke. I would assume that's the nitrate burning.
Bet you were a hoot at the prom.....
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(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/GettyImages-1227908701.jpg)
So where the hell did all of that red smoke come from? I do not believe that to be typical of an ammonium nitrate explosion.
Nitrogen dioxide.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-colour-of-NO2 (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-colour-of-NO2)
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Bet you were a hoot at the prom.....
I took the GED and got out a year and half early... Didn't go to the prom...
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Nitrogen dioxide.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-colour-of-NO2 (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-colour-of-NO2)
That makes sense! Thanks @DB
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Just by the mere size of the explosion one would think the death toll would go significantly higher. May God be with the injured and their families. Just horrible.....
@mrpotatohead
Death would be an improvement over what happened to many of them. Some will be concussed to the point they will never be able to live independently again,some will have nervous breakdowns and never be "normal" again, some will be blinded and deafened,and some will be physically crippled for life.
Not to mention the families that are destroyed.
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(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2020/08/GettyImages-1227908701.jpg)
So where the hell did all of that red smoke come from?
@Bigun
Dust?
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Hezbollah is at Fault for the Explosion In Beirut
By: Bart Marcois - August 4, 2020More at OpsLens (http://opslens.com/what-just-happened-with-the-explosion-in-beirut/)
Bart Marcois (@bmarcois) was the principal deputy assistant secretary of energy for international affairs during the Bush administration. Additionally, Marcois served as a career foreign service officer with the State Department.
Thanks for posting that. Good insight.
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@Bigun
Dust?
Nitrogen Dioxide created by incomplete combustion of Ammonium Nitrate. @sneakypete (See DB's post above)
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What Caused the Beirut Explosion? What We Know (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-caused-the-beirut-explosion-what-we-know/ar-BB17AfC1?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds)
Heartbreaking stuff.
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Nitrogen Dioxide created by incomplete combustion of Ammonium Nitrate. @sneakypete (See DB's post above)
@Bigun
Thanks. For some reason I was thinking the dust there is red,and I know for a fact that ground explosions create dust clouds.
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(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/08/05/beruit-port-aerial_slide-90592789f90f54272b90603e241eb87121eadc83-s1100-c85.jpg)
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Stunning Satellite Images Of Beirut Blast Epicenter
(https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/huge-crater-revealed-satellite-image-close-ups-beirut-blast-epicenter?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)
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Any idea how much TNT 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate is equivalent to? That's a really big bomb...
The relative effectiveness of Ammonium Nitrate is 0.42. So 2700 tons would be equivalent to 1,134 tons of TNT.
Now if the ammonium nitrate was contaminated with a combustible, such as fuel then the effectiveness is more.
ANFO (94% AN + 6% fuel oil) has a relative effectiveness of 0.74 or equivalent to 1,998 tons of TNT.
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The relative effectiveness of Ammonium Nitrate is 0.42. So 2700 tons would be equivalent to 1,134 tons of TNT.
Now if the ammonium nitrate was contaminated with a combustible, such as fuel then the effectiveness is more.
ANFO (94% AN + 6% fuel oil) has a relative effectiveness of 0.74 or equivalent to 1,998 tons of TNT.
Thank you.
Really dumb storing so much in one place in a densely populated city.
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Thank you.
Really dumb storing so much in one place in a densely populated city.
For SIX YEARS! I'm aghast.
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Beirut blast: How does ammonium nitrate create such devastating explosions?
By Live Science Staff 8/5/2020
https://www.livescience.com/28841-fertilizer-explosions-ammonium-nitrate.html (https://www.livescience.com/28841-fertilizer-explosions-ammonium-nitrate.html)
The devastating explosion at a port in Beirut yesterday evening (Aug. 4) that killed more than 100 people and injured at least 4,000 seems to have stemmed from a storage unit housing enormous amounts of ammonium nitrate, according to news reports.
The initial explosion ignited a fire, while the second painted the sky in an apocalyptic mushroom cloud and sent a shock wave rippling across the city, leveling buildings and wounding thousands.
Ammonium nitrate, which is used in fertilizers and bomb making, is a salt made from ammonium and nitric acid, and it is highly explosive. The more ammonium nitrate, or NH4-NO3, the bigger its explosive capacity. And there was a lot, reportedly, being stored at the port: The Lebanese Prime Minister Hassan Diab said 2,700 metric tons, or more than 2,900 tons, of ammonium nitrate had been being stored at the port since 2014, The Washington Post reported.
But ammonium nitrate has a potentially lethal downside: The compound is considered an oxidizer, meaning at an atomic level, it removes electrons from other substances in a chemical reaction. What that means in a more practical sense is that it increases the burning of fuels by increasing the oxygen that's available to those fuels. To start the reaction, ammonium nitrate must come into contact with an open flame or other ignition source. In the Beirut incident, experts suggest fireworks were involved.
Once a reaction is sparked, ammonium nitrate explodes violently. The explosive force occurs when solid ammonium nitrate decomposes very rapidly into two gases, nitrous oxide and water vapor.
That explosive force from the Beirut blast triggered a shock wave that rippled across the city, causing destruction that some witnesses are comparing to the nuclear bomb’s aftermath at Hiroshima: Smoke hung in the air Wednesday; A sprawling crater had been scooped from the earth; piles of rubble were strewn across the city; entire buildings were just skeletons of the former day; and on videos shared online, rescue workers could be heard searching for anyone trapped beneath the debris.
The orange mushroom cloud that erupted just after the blast can be attributed to toxic nitrogen dioxide gas that forms after an explosion with nitrates, The Associated Press reported. (https://apnews.com/cbeb3263d6fc30a63a0300f588e7207b)
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Trump tempers his description of Beirut explosion as an attack: 'Nobody knows yet'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510780-trump-tempers-description-of-beirut-explosion-as-an-attack-nobody
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Esper contradicts Trump: 'Most believe' Beirut explosion was an accident
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/510737-esper-most-believe-beirut-explosion-was-an-accident
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Thank you.
Really dumb storing so much in one place in a densely populated city.
Call me anything you like, but I strongly suspect that other things were going on in that area and the stockpile needed to be nearby.
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Call me anything you like, but I strongly suspect that other things were going on in that area and the stockpile needed to be nearby.
Interesting. But wouldn't a good portion of it have been consumed in 6 years if that were the case?
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Call me anything you like, but I strongly suspect that other things were going on in that area and the stockpile needed to be nearby.
...or the bureaucrats simply forgot about it in the last couple of purges.
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Interesting. But wouldn't a good portion of it have been consumed in 6 years if that were the case?
Perhaps. but knowing what I know about that part of the world, it's entirely possible that the amount seized was actually much more. And further, we relly have no way of knowing how much was involved in yesterday's event although it was obviously a lot. We also don't know what else might have been stored in that warehouse.
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"When we came to the office that morning...this huge column of orange smoke coming from down at the dock...."
April marks 73 years since the catastrophic Texas City Explosion
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/April-73-years-Texas-City-Explosion-15174717.php
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I’m just catching up with the news after being off line for two and a half days.
This is a horrible loss of lives
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For your reading pleasure
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1290877217694552066.html?__FB_PRIVATE_TRACKING__=%7B%22loggedout_browser_id%22%3A%22dae416e7bd8aba2bbb4ada312df19e8ca1bdb1c3%22%7D&fbclid=IwAR0RdwwS1ufkQiq5R8dADYeFd9W65bNV7mxFdcV8H8k5gNdiB8DqlRzx46w
Make of it what you will.
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The moment firefighters tried to enter Beirut's Warehouse 12: Missing crew sent to tackle initial blaze are seen in tragic photo just before store of ammonium nitrate ignited in devastating blast that killed at least 137
A photo has emerged showing fire crews at Warehouse 12 in Beirut's port moments before it exploded
Firefighters were called to tackle an initial blaze in Warehouse 9 which spread, triggering cataclysmic blast
The photographer is known to have died in the explosion while the fire crew are missing, believed to be dead
At least 137 people died in the blast, with some 5,000 wounded, 300,000 homeless, and widespread damage
more
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599453/Last-photo-emerges-firefighters-Beiruts-Warehouse-12-blast.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599453/Last-photo-emerges-firefighters-Beiruts-Warehouse-12-blast.html)
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The moment firefighters tried to enter Beirut's Warehouse 12: Missing crew sent to tackle initial blaze are seen in tragic photo just before store of ammonium nitrate ignited in devastating blast that killed at least 137
A photo has emerged showing fire crews at Warehouse 12 in Beirut's port moments before it exploded
Firefighters were called to tackle an initial blaze in Warehouse 9 which spread, triggering cataclysmic blast
The photographer is known to have died in the explosion while the fire crew are missing, believed to be dead
At least 137 people died in the blast, with some 5,000 wounded, 300,000 homeless, and widespread damage
more
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599453/Last-photo-emerges-firefighters-Beiruts-Warehouse-12-blast.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8599453/Last-photo-emerges-firefighters-Beiruts-Warehouse-12-blast.html)
They never knew what hit them. How awful....
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Bride seen in terrifying viral video as massive Beirut explosion ignited says wedding will go on
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/06/bride-seen-in-terrifying-viral-video-as-massive-beirut-explosion-ignited-says-wedding-will-go-on-956540 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/06/bride-seen-in-terrifying-viral-video-as-massive-beirut-explosion-ignited-says-wedding-will-go-on-956540)
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Bride seen in terrifying viral video as massive Beirut explosion ignited says wedding will go on
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/06/bride-seen-in-terrifying-viral-video-as-massive-beirut-explosion-ignited-says-wedding-will-go-on-956540 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/06/bride-seen-in-terrifying-viral-video-as-massive-beirut-explosion-ignited-says-wedding-will-go-on-956540)
Can't blame her. Things can only get better from there...right?
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Proximity of grain elevators to that blast has oblivated that food stuffs for 6M people. The worst part of this disaster hasn't even happened yet.
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Death Toll Rises In Beirut Blast Linked To Seized Russian-Owned Ship
Radio Free Europe 8/6/2020
https://www.rferl.org/a/reports-link-beirut-s-devastating-blast-to-russian-owned-cargo-ship/30767495.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/reports-link-beirut-s-devastating-blast-to-russian-owned-cargo-ship/30767495.html)
Media reports say the ammonium nitrate that exploded was likely unloaded there years earlier from a cargo ship that had been seized from its Russian owner, businessman Igor Grechushkin.
Based on that timeline and the size of the cargo, media reports say the ship was likely the MV Rhosus -- which had been owned at the time of its seizure by Grechushkin.
A businessman from the Siberian city of Khabarovsk, Grechushkin currently lives in Cyprus.
The MV Rhosus was initially confiscated by Lebanese authorities in 2013 under an order by local inspectors in Beirut after it had entered the port due to technical problems, according to lawyers involved in a court case over its seizure.
Prokoshev also confirmed reports that the vessel had been transporting ammonium nitrate from Georgia's Black Sea port of Batumi to Mozambique when it experienced technical problems that forced it to stop in Beirut.
More at link.
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The Russian Manifest probably just listed it as "Fertilizer," which it is.
I'd apply Occam's Razor to this one. It was probably a screw-up.
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They never knew what hit them. How awful....
@mrpotatohead
MUCH better than spending days dying in pain from burns.
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That was a pretty mushroom type cloud looking explosion. Some say the should check for radiation at the blast site.......
No nuclear flash. It would have been extremely bright had there been a fission event. Its just a very large chemical explosion, and likely material stored in one place, together. Separate munitions have a way of scattering and being scattered, some detonating on the outskirts of the major blast. This was more like a chemical stockpile or explosives manufacturing depot.
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Any idea how much TNT 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate is equivalent to? That's a really big bomb...
Mixed with fuel oil, ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate/Fuel Oil) runs at about 40% of TNT, so this would be somewhat less than one kiloton. (ANFO would have been 1.08KT)
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Mixed with fuel oil, ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate/Fuel Oil) runs at about 40% of TNT, so this would be somewhat less than one kiloton. (ANFO would have been 1.08KT)
Well, they're Metric tonnes, and a thumbnail estimate is about a Kiloton, as we reckon it. It's 10X the pile of TNT that was exploded at the Trinity Site a couple weeks before the Gadget, at 0.1 Kton.
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They never knew what hit them. How awful....
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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Proximity of grain elevators to that blast has oblivated that food stuffs for 6M people. The worst part of this disaster hasn't even happened yet.
Not just that, but salvage of the remaining grain may not be an option because of contamination by the nitrous oxides produced in the blast and fire. Hunger/starvation is a definite possibility.
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"When we came to the office that morning...this huge column of orange smoke coming from down at the dock...."
April marks 73 years since the catastrophic Texas City Explosion
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/April-73-years-Texas-City-Explosion-15174717.php
I don't care what anyone thinks of me ... except dogs. I want dogs to like me.
You are a wise man, a very wise man
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Not just that, but salvage of the remaining grain may not be an option because of contamination by the nitrous oxides produced in the blast and fire. Hunger/starvation is a definite possibility.
I have to believe the grain is very replaceable. That we and other nations will donate replacement grain if need be.
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I have to believe the grain is very replaceable. That we and other nations will donate replacement grain if need be.
They have to have a place to put it.
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They have to have a place to put it.
I'd assume some large freighter ships would work well.
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I'd assume some large freighter ships would work well.
Shipping is one thing. Storage for any length of time requires the grain be humidity controlled (ideally, about 15%), or it will develop fungus or rot. Keeping rats and birds out of the grain is important, too.
Elevators are designed to do that, ships are not.
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Shipping is one thing. Storage for any length of time requires the grain be humidity controlled (ideally, about 15%), or it will develop fungus or rot. Keeping rats and birds out of the grain is important, too.
Elevators are designed to do that, ships are not.
The grain only needs to arrive when they need it.
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US military sends 3 cargo planes to Lebanon filled with medical supplies
Fox News, Aug 6, 2020
The U.S. military is sending three cargo planes to Lebanon filled with food, water, and medical supplies, the U.S. Central Command announced in a statement Thursday two days after a massive explosion in Beirut's port left at least 157 dead and some 5,000 injured.
Gen. Frank McKenzie, the commander of the U.S. Central Command, spoke with Lebanon Armed Forces Commander, Gen. Joseph Aoun, to express condolences for the loss of life and devastation caused by the explosion in Beirut's port facility, the U.S. Central Command said in a statement to Fox News.
Three C-17s shipments of U.S. relief supplies including food, water, and medical supplies would be delivered to Lebanon, Gen. McKenzie said, adding that the U.S. military was willing to continue to work with the Lebanese Armed Forces “to help provide aid and assistance to meet the needs of the Lebanese people during this terrible tragedy.†The planes departed from the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar en route to Beirut, officials told Fox News.
Gen. McKenzie also “expressed a desire to continue to partner with the Lebanese Armed Forces, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, and USAID to identify and expedite support for Lebanon's recovery effort.â€
Volunteers and the Lebanese Red Cross continued to search for survivors and dead bodies trapped beneath the extensive damage seen for miles away from the explosion’s epicenter at the Port of Beirut, where Lebanese Prime Minister Hassan Diab said 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate, a highly explosive chemical used in fertilizers, came to be stored at the facility for six years.
More: https://www.foxnews.com/world/beirut-explosion-us-military-medical-supplies-lebanon (https://www.foxnews.com/world/beirut-explosion-us-military-medical-supplies-lebanon)
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I'd assume some large freighter ships would work well.
I thought barges too, but then realized that I am sure the dock areas were oblivated too.
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NASA Maps Beirut Blast Damage
NASA JPL 8/7/2020
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7723 (https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7723)
Scientists are using satellite data to map ground surface changes in the aftermath of the recent explosion.
NASA's Advanced Rapid Imaging and Analysis (ARIA) team, in collaboration with the Earth Observatory of Singapore, used satellite-derived synthetic aperture radar data to map the likely extent of damage from a massive Aug. 4 explosion in Beirut. Synthetic aperture radar data from space shows ground surface changes from before and after a major event like an earthquake. In this case, it is being used to show the devastating result of an explosion.
On the map, dark red pixels - like those present at and around the Port of Beirut - represent the most severe damage. Areas in orange are moderately damaged and areas in yellow are likely to have sustained somewhat less damage. Each colored pixel represents an area of 30 meters (33 yards).
Maps like this one can help identify badly damaged areas where people may need assistance. The explosion occurred near the city's port. It claimed more than 150 lives and is estimated to have caused billions of dollars' worth of damage.
The map contains modified Copernicus Sentinel data processed by ESA (European Space Agency) and analyzed by ARIA team scientists at NASA JPL, Caltech, and Earth Observatory of Singapore. Located in Pasadena, California, Caltech manages JPL for NASA.
More information on ARIA can be found here:https://aria.jpl.nasa.gov/ (https://aria.jpl.nasa.gov/)
More at link.
(https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/images/largesize/PIA23692_hires.jpg)
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And YET....they bash my POTUS daily. 'They' being all negative, anti-American people, everywhere! I think he is perfect.
ALL MALE. :seeya: :patriot: :patriot:
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I don't care what anyone thinks of me ... except dogs. I want dogs to like me.
You are a wise man, a very wise man
@GtHawk
I can't argue with your brilliant assessment (except the "man" part since I'm a chick)! I consider dogs to be the most outstanding companions God created for us.
My heart ached for you from the first moment I saw your announcement about Rocky. I know how empty words of comfort can seem when you're in the throes of grief over your beloved companion, but I offer them to you anyway. I'm quite certain I'm not the only one whose eyes welled up upon seeing your graphic paying tribute to him. God bless and comfort you.
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@GtHawk
I can't argue with your brilliant assessment (except the "man" part since I'm a chick)! I consider dogs to be the most outstanding companions God created for us.
My heart ached for you from the first moment I saw your announcement about Rocky. I know how empty words of comfort can seem when you're in the throes of grief over your beloved companion, but I offer them to you anyway. I'm quite certain I'm not the only one whose eyes welled up upon seeing your graphic paying tribute to him. God bless and comfort you.
@AllThatJazzZ
My apologies for making that ASSumption and thank you for the kind words. It's difficult since I live in a small apartment and his place was always by my side. I swear I still see him out of the corner of my eye.
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@AllThatJazzZ
I swear I still see him out of the corner of my eye.
@GtHawk
I know how that is. I would "see" mine and "hear" them as well. It took a while for those sensations to resolve. Rescuing my elderly little guy 5 months later helped. And now you'll have an energetic, inquisitive puppy to keep you busy, busy, busy. I kind of envy you, but, at my advanced age, I do NOT have the energy for a puppy.