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Title: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: endicom on September 11, 2018, 11:54:45 pm
Canada Free Press
Dan Calabrese
Sept. 11, 2018

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that only a president with this little regard for manners could have done what Donald Trump is doing – and needs to be doing.

He’s right about the swamp. He’s right about the Deep State. He’s right about the political class. It’s a largely bipartisan cabal of self-serving poseurs who have stuck the nation with $21 trillion in debt and more than $100 trillion in unfunded entitlement obligations, all while making sure to protect their own status at all costs.

Into this morass comes Donald Trump

You’ve come to recognize their language. Whether it’s the elected officials, the bureaucracy or their media friends, they all use it. Distrust what they tell you? You’re a “conspiracy theorist.” Aren’t convinced by their global warming claims? You’re a “denier,” just like those lunatics who deny the Holocaust took place. No difference.

Don’t want people like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton having the power of the presidency? Racist! Sexist!

Believe the Bible? Hater!

More... https://canadafreepress.com/article/yes-trump-is-a-bull-in-a-china-shop...and-the-china-shop-needs-to-be-wrecke
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: aligncare on September 12, 2018, 02:54:17 am
When I first read Donald Trump might be running for president I thought it was a lark. Then he declared, and I thought I should research him. I knew of him but very little about him, never even watched him on The Apprentice.

After learning about his life, his business, watching YouTube clips with the comments he’s made over the years about politics and government, reading accounts from friends and associates, I thought to myself this guy could win. And, since in my humble opinion none of the other republican candidates had a shot I thought, what the heck. Threw my support to him almost from the start.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 03:09:08 am
Canada Free Press
Dan Calabrese
Sept. 11, 2018

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that only a president with this little regard for manners could have done what Donald Trump is doing – and needs to be doing.

He’s right about the swamp. He’s right about the Deep State. He’s right about the political class. It’s a largely bipartisan cabal of self-serving poseurs who have stuck the nation with $21 trillion in debt and more than $100 trillion in unfunded entitlement obligations, all while making sure to protect their own status at all costs.

Into this morass comes Donald Trump

You’ve come to recognize their language. Whether it’s the elected officials, the bureaucracy or their media friends, they all use it. Distrust what they tell you? You’re a “conspiracy theorist.” Aren’t convinced by their global warming claims? You’re a “denier,” just like those lunatics who deny the Holocaust took place. No difference.

Don’t want people like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton having the power of the presidency? Racist! Sexist!

Believe the Bible? Hater!

More... https://canadafreepress.com/article/yes-trump-is-a-bull-in-a-china-shop...and-the-china-shop-needs-to-be-wrecke

I know you didn't write this but I resent CFP, saying he has no manners. HE HAS MANNERS!  Just not for liars, & deep state people.  It is OTHERS who have no manners & mock him, slander him, make up lies about him, then when he responds, it is "TRUMP ATTACKS,,,SO & SO".  No comment about the original, bad mannered attack, on him...first!
It is maddening for me.  Not even a bull in the china shop. He is a great negotiator. He is positive, compliments people, always says, how he respects other country's leader's, even if they screw over America, before TRUMP was in office. He respects they stand up for their country & now, finally we have a president that stands up for America!

Oh, CANADA FREE PRESS,,no bias there, with trade issue?   Treudue. I read a lot of Canadians wish they had a 'TRUMP'.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 03:17:10 am
When I first read Donald Trump might be running for president I thought it was a lark. Then he declared, and I thought I should research him. I knew of him but very little about him, never even watched him on The Apprentice.

After learning about his life, his business, watching YouTube clips with the comments he’s made over the years about politics and government, reading accounts from friends and associates, I thought to myself this guy could win. And, since in my humble opinion none of the other republican candidates had a shot I thought, what the heck. Threw my support to him almost from the start.



Thank you & you did the correct thing!  Makes you smarter than most.   888high58888
If I am a patriot, I am mocked on here too.  I support my CENTRIST president TRUMP, who ran under republican banner, as that was all that was available.  I support my president...how shocking is that in today's society ?   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

I lived starving socialism & never want to go back. I think most American people born here, are spoiled & take America for granted.  Big mistake. 
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: endicom on September 12, 2018, 03:49:31 am
I know you didn't write this but I resent CFP, saying he has no manners. HE HAS MANNERS!  Just not for liars, & deep state people.  It is OTHERS who have no manners & mock him, slander him, make up lies about him, then when he responds, it is "TRUMP ATTACKS,,,SO & SO".  No comment about the original, bad mannered attack, on him...first!
It is maddening for me.  Not even a bull in the china shop. He is a great negotiator. He is positive, compliments people, always says, how he respects other country's leader's, even if they screw over America, before TRUMP was in office. He respects they stand up for their country & now, finally we have a president that stands up for America!

Oh, CANADA FREE PRESS,,no bias there, with trade issue?   Treudue. I read a lot of Canadians wish they had a 'TRUMP'.  :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:


Canada Free Press is as conservative as anything you'll find in the U.S. At the top of the front page it says, "Because without America, there is no free world."

@LegalAmerican
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 05:55:08 am

Canada Free Press is as conservative as anything you'll find in the U.S. At the top of the front page it says, "Because without America, there is no free world."

@LegalAmerican


I used to have them send me daily articles. I am familiar with Dans work. I like the lady  better.  At least he understands about America.  Most of the posters on here, do not. They support DEEP STATE.   Doing just want deep state wants them to do, undermine my president, yet they think they are smart.  ****sheep**** ****sheep**** ****sheep****

I still can't get videos to post on here. I've removed the https, then just the S. I think I am censored?  See question mark? 
Mods, Owner?  What do I need to do?
https://youtu.be/2n720int26s]
[url=http://youtu.be/2n720int26s]https://youtu.be/2n720int26s (http://[url=http://youtu.be/2n720int26s)[/url]
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 06:03:52 am
At least he understands about America.  Most of the posters on here, do not. They support DEEP STATE.   Doing just want deep state wants them to do, undermine my president, yet they think they are smart. 

No, most posters here do not support fanatical "kiss the ground Trump walks on" slavish imbecility that you display every single time you post on this board.

You would obviously be much more comfortable at TOS and the other two joints you spam with regularity than among 'most of the posters on here'.

That would be due the fact we are principled Conservatives.  Not obsessed-addled True Believer Groupies in a cult of personality.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:04:12 am
Canada Free Press
Dan Calabrese
Sept. 11, 2018

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that only a president with this little regard for manners could have done what Donald Trump is doing – and needs to be doing.

He’s right about the swamp. He’s right about the Deep State. He’s right about the political class. It’s a largely bipartisan cabal of self-serving poseurs who have stuck the nation with $21 trillion in debt and more than $100 trillion in unfunded entitlement obligations, all while making sure to protect their own status at all costs.

Into this morass comes Donald Trump

You’ve come to recognize their language. Whether it’s the elected officials, the bureaucracy or their media friends, they all use it. Distrust what they tell you? You’re a “conspiracy theorist.” Aren’t convinced by their global warming claims? You’re a “denier,” just like those lunatics who deny the Holocaust took place. No difference.

Don’t want people like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton having the power of the presidency? Racist! Sexist!

Believe the Bible? Hater!

More... https://canadafreepress.com/article/yes-trump-is-a-bull-in-a-china-shop...and-the-china-shop-needs-to-be-wrecke



All kind of manners. He is strong leader.

https://youtu.be/2n720int26s
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: aligncare on September 12, 2018, 10:09:57 am
Here you go, @LegalAmerican

! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2n720int26s&feature=youtu.be#)

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on September 12, 2018, 11:00:28 am
No, most posters here do not support fanatical "kiss the ground Trump walks on" slavish imbecility that you display every single time you post on this board.

You would obviously be much more comfortable at TOS and the other two joints you spam with regularity than among 'most of the posters on here'.

That would be due the fact we are principled Conservatives.  Not obsessed-addled True Believer Groupies in a cult of personality.

It's not "Trump", it's "TRUMP", you heathen.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Applewood on September 12, 2018, 11:15:02 am
Forget it @INVAR   This is a Trump worship thread.  Your words will fall on blind eyes.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 04:12:27 pm
Forget it @INVAR   This is a Trump worship thread.  Your words will fall on blind eyes.

I'm not expecting True Believers to 'see the light', because they reject our values and principles with the same kind of vitriolic contempt that we expect from Leftists.  I write what I do for the benefit of folks like yourself.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Meldrew on September 12, 2018, 04:19:19 pm
I'm not expecting True Believers to 'see the light', because they reject our values and principles with the same kind of vitriolic contempt that we expect from Leftists.  I write what I do for the benefit of folks like yourself.

Please know it's appreciated.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Applewood on September 12, 2018, 04:59:55 pm
I'm not expecting True Believers to 'see the light', because they reject our values and principles with the same kind of vitriolic contempt that we expect from Leftists.  I write what I do for the benefit of folks like yourself.

Thank you @INVAR
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 05:06:15 pm
Thank you @INVAR

You folks are welcome.  Enduring to the end with our faith and principles intact is going to be an exceedingly difficult task in the times ahead of us.  Liberty will wane and be replaced with whatever 'pragmatism' they will impose, but we still need to provide a witness even to those who will not hear.  In the end - they will have no excuse as the truth was manifest before them and the blame will be placed where it belongs.

Meanwhile, we will go on being hated and despised due a debased people who want men to be their kings, and who have rejected truth for the comfort of lies and what their itching ears desire to hear.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 15, 2018, 02:07:12 am
 
Posts: 2,414

Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 07:00:28 AM »


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Quote from: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 02:03:52 AM
No, most posters here do not support fanatical "kiss the ground Trump walks on" slavish imbecility that you display every single time you post on this board.

You would obviously be much more comfortable at TOS and the other two joints you spam with regularity than among 'most of the posters on here'.

That would be due the fact we are principled Conservatives.  Not obsessed-addled True Believer Groupies in a cult of personality.


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If you could 'SEE' how you wrote . Supporters of president TRUMP, are patriots. You are not. Just look at all your hateful words . Falling right in line with DEEP STATE.  Just what they started, and you went along. Jealous.

Were you this obsessed with values, when Obama, Clintons, Kennedy's were in power?  I doubt it. You have dug your heels in, and are like any DEMOCRAT, wanting to destroy our republic. Your make believe, "holier then thou" attitude.  If I went back to your high school days, I bet I would find a lot of debauchery in your life.  You have a log in your eye, while complaining about splinter in others eyes.  It is a shame, people are not smarter than this.  You are not helping our country. You are trying to make yourself out to be some virtuous person. Give me a break. Your language alone, is offensive to me.  See,,log in your eye.

Stop supporting DEEP STATE..... That is all you are doing, you are NOT a saint, none of us is. No pedestal for you.
SMH. You are NOT helping our country. You might as well join Mad Maxine.  Not about your, self-centered views, btw..about survival of our country.  .  If we lose our country, constitution, bill of rights, I will blame you and people like you.  NOT ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL.........
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 15, 2018, 02:20:29 am
I'm not expecting True Believers to 'see the light', because they reject our values and principles with the same kind of vitriolic contempt that we expect from Leftists.  I write what I do for the benefit of folks like yourself.


BALONEY,,you write to make yourself  look virtuous, while destroying our country. So foolish. What values, do we reject ?  List them.  Principles ?  LIST THEM. I, we,  Support the constitution and duly elected president TRUMP.  We support America , you want to tear it down with YOUR "VITRIOLIC CONTEMPT". 

I wish, everyone could be as pure, kind, magnanimous,,,as you. sarcasm. YOU ARE THE LEFTIST. Backwards thinking.
Stalin/Lenin called people like you "useful idiots' as you support DEEP STATE agenda and think you are doing something great for posting. Such an ego. 
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 15, 2018, 02:28:14 am
Quote from: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 02:03:52 AM
No, most posters here do not support fanatical "kiss the ground Trump walks on" slavish imbecility that you display every single time you post on this board.

You would obviously be much more comfortable at TOS and the other two joints you spam with regularity than among 'most of the posters on here'.

That would be due the fact we are principled Conservatives.  Not obsessed-addled True Believer Groupies in a cult of personality.
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It's not "Trump", it's "TRUMP", you heathen.


Legal American writes;  Well, you have that correct. TRUMP.

 Why should I tear down the president?  Pile on, like he gets from LEFT, LYING MEDIA FOR TWO YEARS STRAIGHT,,24/7.  I will not do that, to my country.  Will not do that to my president. I will not SUPPORT DEEP STATE. I have to wonder whose side you are on.  Not Americas.  So much jealousy from men on here or women, who Trump in his single days, would not pick. He is a great president. Just the facts.  Why be so hateful, to America?

You have to be smarter then deep state. I see, you are not, you fall right in line and do their bidding. This is about YOU,
 not my president TRUMP.  JEALOUSY is very unbecoming. Try to control, that "value", "virtue".   :pop41:

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 15, 2018, 02:34:02 am
Here you go, @LegalAmerican

! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=2n720int26s&feature=youtu.be#)


Thank you. All kind of accomplishments. Yet the phony conservatives keep bashing him.  THEY are perfection, don't you know.    :beer:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 02:39:37 am
WOW... The shaming of @INVAR
...Jealous virtue-signaling hater and useful idiot...

Whatever will happen NEXT???

 :silly: :silly: :silly:

 :2popcorn:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 15, 2018, 03:00:09 am
Meanwhile, we will go on being hated and despised due a debased people who want men to be their kings

Oy vavoy you are SO confused.  Your fellow citizens voting for Donald Trump did so with this understanding:  You work for us.  Do OUR bidding, not the world's.  And so far, so good --- damn good, in fact. 

Your continued reference to "kings" is nothing more than a reference to a figment of your own imagination @INVAR



Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 15, 2018, 03:45:00 am
Oy vavoy you are SO confused.  Your fellow citizens voting for Donald Trump did so with this understanding:  You work for us.  Do OUR bidding, not the world's.  And so far, so good --- damn good, in fact. 

Your continued reference to "kings" is nothing more than a reference to a figment of your own imagination @INVAR

So you decided the sword would clear your scabbard and not remained sheathed eh?

Okay then.

ベギン!


Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 15, 2018, 03:58:32 am
Your language alone, is offensive to me.

Good.  Plan to be offended all the more each time you read anything I post.

Stop supporting DEEP STATE..... That is all you are doing, you are NOT a saint, none of us is. No pedestal for you.
SMH. You are NOT helping our country. You might as well join Mad Maxine.  Not about your, self-centered views, btw..about survival of our country.  .  If we lose our country, constitution, bill of rights, I will blame you and people like you. 

 :mauslaff:

About as empty a threat as Issa saying he will charge Hillary or Obama with perjury.

I laugh at you and whatever 'blame' you want to fling my way.

I have to wonder whose side you are on.  Not Americas. 

I'm on the 'side' your party and president has rejected and told to get lost because you idiots did not need us.

Why be so hateful, to America?

When America goes Populist/Collectivist/Statist and/or Marxist Communist - I don't goose-step to Dear Leader and their sycophantic hordes.

Call it hate if you like.

I don't care.

All you need to know, is that people like me are done with the bullshit - and we are not going to shut up and go away.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on September 15, 2018, 06:51:57 am

I still can't get videos to post on here. I've removed the https, then just the S. I think I am censored?  See question mark? 
Mods, Owner?  What do I need to do?
https://youtu.be/2n720int26s]
[url=http://youtu.be/2n720int26s]https://youtu.be/2n720int26s (http://[url=http://youtu.be/2n720int26s)[/url]


@LegalAmerican

You have to use to LONG URL. The short ones don't work.

Copy the URL (long one) at the top of the youtube page, in the browser bar, don't use the one from the Share option below the vid, and remove the S from the https.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:04:46 am

@LegalAmerican

You have to use to LONG URL. The short ones don't work.

Copy the URL (long one) at the top of the youtube page, in the browser bar, don't use the one from the Share option below the vid, and remove the S from the https.

Really? I can't get anything to embed with a youtu.be source. youtube.com does, but not youtu.be...
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:14:05 am
http://youtu.be/2n720int26s (http://youtu.be/2n720int26s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n720int26s&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n720int26s&feature=youtu.be)

NM... I see.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n720int26s&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 08:59:35 am
Quote from: INVAR on September 12, 2018, 02:03:52 AM
No, most posters here do not support fanatical "kiss the ground Trump walks on" slavish imbecility that you display every single time you post on this board.

You would obviously be much more comfortable at TOS and the other two joints you spam with regularity than among 'most of the posters on here'.

That would be due the fact we are principled Conservatives.  Not obsessed-addled True Believer Groupies in a cult of personality.
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It's not "Trump", it's "TRUMP", you heathen.


Legal American writes;  Well, you have that correct. TRUMP.

 Why should I tear down the president?  Pile on, like he gets from LEFT, LYING MEDIA FOR TWO YEARS STRAIGHT,,24/7.  I will not do that, to my country.  Will not do that to my president. I will not SUPPORT DEEP STATE. I have to wonder whose side you are on.  Not Americas.  So much jealousy from men on here or women, who Trump in his single days, would not pick. He is a great president. Just the facts.  Why be so hateful, to America?

You have to be smarter then deep state. I see, you are not, you fall right in line and do their bidding. This is about YOU,
 not my president TRUMP.  JEALOUSY is very unbecoming. Try to control, that "value", "virtue".   :pop41:

I'm not jealous of Trump and neither is @INVAR. I wouldn't want his life. Not even for a day. I doubt he's ever known the love of a true life partner in a wife. He's alone. He buys his trophies wives as some sort of validation of his success/power. He bashes other men for having lesser beauties. When the shine starts to age he gets a new one. There isn't one he hasn't cheated on.

I only pity him. A shallow unfulfilled life empty of the most important thing in life. True life long selfless commitment and Love. Something that can't be bought.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on September 15, 2018, 10:34:07 am
I'm not jealous of Trump and neither is @INVAR. I wouldn't want his life. Not even for a day. I doubt he's ever known the love of a true life partner in a wife. He's alone. He buys his trophies wives as some sort of validation of his success/power. He bashes other men for having lesser beauties. When the shine starts to age he gets a new one. There isn't one he hasn't cheated on.

I only pity him. A shallow unfulfilled life empty of the most important thing in life. True life long selfless commitment and Love. Something that can't be bought.


 88finger point

The Hell it can't. I've been outbid more than once.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Applewood on September 15, 2018, 11:19:35 am
I'm not jealous of Trump and neither is @INVAR. I wouldn't want his life. Not even for a day. I doubt he's ever known the love of a true life partner in a wife. He's alone. He buys his trophies wives as some sort of validation of his success/power. He bashes other men for having lesser beauties. When the shine starts to age he gets a new one. There isn't one he hasn't cheated on.

I only pity him. A shallow unfulfilled life empty of the most important thing in life. True life long selfless commitment and Love. Something that can't be bought.

Agreed.  Except I don't pity him.  I just don't care one way or the other.  Seems to me money has not bought him any happiness.  And that lack of happiness is his own doing.  He has become this hateful,  jealous, bitter, mean-spirited person, completely devoid of love for anyone -- not just his wives, but his children too.  I'm actually happy to be poor by comparison.  I have the love of family and friends and I can love and trust them in return.  I don't have to worry about any of them trying to grab my money because there isn't much money for them to take. 

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 15, 2018, 01:40:44 pm
I only pity him. A shallow unfulfilled life empty of the most important thing in life.

Hmmm... what do you think is missing from the President's life @DB
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Concerned on September 15, 2018, 01:50:05 pm
I'm not jealous of Trump and neither is @INVAR. I wouldn't want his life. Not even for a day. I doubt he's ever known the love of a true life partner in a wife. He's alone. He buys his trophies wives as some sort of validation of his success/power. He bashes other men for having lesser beauties. When the shine starts to age he gets a new one. There isn't one he hasn't cheated on.

I only pity him. A shallow unfulfilled life empty of the most important thing in life. True life long selfless commitment and Love. Something that can't be bought.

I don't understand this unproven assertion that people are jealous of Donald Trump.  I wouldn't trade my life for his for anything.  Anything.  His values certainly appear to be totally and completely different than mine.  I've been married to the same wonderful woman for 34 years.  I wouldn't trade that partnership for anything.  I have all the wealth that I need or want.  I'm relatively healthy.  Why someone might think I'm jealous of someone like Donald Trump is completely perplexing to me.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 15, 2018, 01:50:09 pm
So you decided the sword would clear your scabbard and not remained sheathed eh? 

A sheathed sword does not mean I will not correct you @INVAR   -- especially when you beg for it.

Besides, in rejecting my offer you ejected yourself from the sacred high ground and now wallow in the mud.  I hope some day you tell us about your rapturous welcome home. 
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Axeslinger on September 15, 2018, 01:55:07 pm
Hmmm... what do you think is missing from the President's life @DB

Love of anything more than self.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 15, 2018, 03:59:59 pm
A sheathed sword does not mean I will not correct you @INVAR   -- especially when you beg for it.

Besides, in rejecting my offer you ejected yourself from the sacred high ground and now wallow in the mud.

I never 'accepted' your offer.  You never made one.   You simply made a statement that you were sheathing your sword because you stated that the combat was unhelpful to your party.

I knew it was either a ruse or you couldn't keep yourself from slugging away in the mud with the rest of us.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 05:58:01 pm

 88finger point

The Hell it can't. I've been outbid more than once.

Then it wasn't selfless love was it. You dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 06:03:52 pm
I don't understand this unproven assertion that people are jealous of Donald Trump.  I wouldn't trade my life for his for anything.  Anything.  His values certainly appear to be totally and completely different than mine.  I've been married to the same wonderful woman for 34 years.  I wouldn't trade that partnership for anything.  I have all the wealth that I need or want.  I'm relatively healthy.  Why someone might think I'm jealous of someone like Donald Trump is completely perplexing to me.

Only shallow people that are devoid of selfless love in their life make that claim. They don't understand it.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DCPatriot on September 15, 2018, 06:16:52 pm
Only shallow people that are devoid of selfless love in their life make that claim. They don't understand it.

Nope!  @DB

You're apparently the one that doesn't "...understand it".

Entrepreneurs breathe different air that than the average Joe. 

They make a living not only making the blueprints a physical reality, but they also the staff, management, menus and maintain the curb appeal.

...all in a very hostile regulatory environment.

The essence of Donald Trump is that he loves to be the hero.  He's in his wheelhouse now.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 15, 2018, 06:30:02 pm
Nope!  @DB

You're apparently the one that doesn't "...understand it".

Entrepreneurs breathe different air that than the average Joe. 

They make a living not only making the blueprints a physical reality, but they also the staff, management, menus and maintain the curb appeal.

...all in a very hostile regulatory environment.

The essence of Donald Trump is that he loves to be the hero.  He's in his wheelhouse now.

You might want to review the context of that statement...

I was responding to "I don't understand this unproven assertion that people are jealous of Donald Trump." and those people who make the assertion that some of us are jealous of Donald Trump.

We are not.

Entrepreneurs breath the same air. Not all entrepreneurs have empty personal lives. Commitment and selfless love doesn't have to be traded in for entrepreneurship. Narcissism and entrepreneurship don't have to go hand in hand as you claim.

I co-founded a bay area tech company that has been in business more than 28 years.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:02:08 pm
You might want to review the context of that statement...

I was responding to "I don't understand this unproven assertion that people are jealous of Donald Trump." and those people who make the assertion that some of us are jealous of Donald Trump.

We are not.

Entrepreneurs breath the same air. Not all entrepreneurs have empty personal lives. Commitment and selfless love doesn't have to be traded in for entrepreneurship. Narcissism and entrepreneurship don't have to go hand in hand as you claim.

I co-founded a bay area tech company that has been in business more than 28 years.

FACT. Same here. For my whole family, btw. My kids are the first in my family, as far back as I can go, that have actual jobs and work for someone. All the rest of us have been owners, all the way along. Entrepreneurship is not rarified air in my America. It is the most common thing there is. Friends and family, all.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 15, 2018, 07:22:52 pm
I'm not jealous of Trump and neither is @INVAR. I wouldn't want his life. Not even for a day. I doubt he's ever known the love of a true life partner in a wife. He's alone. He buys his trophies wives as some sort of validation of his success/power. He bashes other men for having lesser beauties. When the shine starts to age he gets a new one. There isn't one he hasn't cheated on.

I only pity him. A shallow unfulfilled life empty of the most important thing in life. True life long selfless commitment and Love. Something that can't be bought.

@DB @INVAR @Concerned @Applewood

There is not one single thing in Donald Trump's life to be jealous about.

I echo what the rest of you have said.  His life is empty and mine is full.  His life is shallow and mine is deeply rich.

I would rather be almost anyone else, other than Melania, Ivana, and the countless women he has left at the side of the road, for whom I feel even greater pity.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:35:04 pm
That's right @musiclady , and more so...

I would never ever trade the majesty of these mountains for 5th Avenue.
Nor this simple cabin for his gaudy penthouse.
Nor my Carhartts for Armani.
Nor my Justins for Guccis
Nor my jacked-up ol chevy for the longest limo you can find...
Nor trade hunting and fishing for golf...

There is a cultural difference here that I just can't suss out...
I QUITE LITERALLY scoff at everything they think I should be jealous of.
Really.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 15, 2018, 07:38:42 pm
If somebody dropped a few million in my pocket, I would very likely go buy a big ol chunk of land, and some livestock... My truck might get a little higher, and there might be a four-wheeler and a snow machine, and a gun or two... but my life would change very little otherwise.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 15, 2018, 09:13:39 pm
That's right @musiclady , and more so...

I would never ever trade the majesty of these mountains for 5th Avenue.
Nor this simple cabin for his gaudy penthouse.
Nor my Carhartts for Armani.
Nor my Justins for Guccis
Nor my jacked-up ol chevy for the longest limo you can find...
Nor trade hunting and fishing for golf...

There is a cultural difference here that I just can't suss out...
I QUITE LITERALLY scoff at everything they think I should be jealous of.
Really.

Well, I'm between you and those glorious mountains, @roamer_1 , but I certainly understand what you're saying.

Normal home in beautiful woods.  Hard work putting in our own lawn, planting and tending the flowers, raking leaves and going for long walks alone.  Privacy.  Peace.  And enough money to be comfortable and travel to see my kids who also live very happy lives.

(And absolutely no need to smear every single person who has said anything bad about me in twitter rages).

I repeat........... there is NOTHING in Donald Trump's life for us to be jealous of.  NOTHING.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 15, 2018, 11:49:25 pm
His life is empty and mine is full.  His life is shallow and mine is deeply rich. 

I'll trust your life is "deeply rich",  as is Trump's.  Your lives are playing out differently but, to paraphrase Charles Krauthhammer: each of you is living the life you intended -- filled with the people, challenges and accomplishments you've desired. 

The one notable difference between you and Donald Trump is he is not sitting in judgment of you --- which makes him a more likeable, respectable and Christian soul.

@musiclady
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on September 16, 2018, 12:54:43 am
@Right_in_Virginia
@DCPatriot

I'll trust your life is "deeply rich",  as is Trump's.  Your lives are playing out differently but, to paraphrase Charles Krauthhammer: each of you is living the life you intended -- filled with the people, challenges and accomplishments you've desired. 

The one notable difference between you and Donald Trump is he is not sitting in judgment of you --- which makes him a more likeable, respectable and Christian soul.

@musiclady

 :thumbsup:

Nope!  @DB

You're apparently the one that doesn't "...understand it".

Entrepreneurs breathe different air that than the average Joe. 

They make a living not only making the blueprints a physical reality, but they also the staff, management, menus and maintain the curb appeal.

...all in a very hostile regulatory environment.

The essence of Donald Trump is that he loves to be the hero.  He's in his wheelhouse now.

 :thumbsup:


“Pay no attention to what the critics say. A statue has never been erected in honor of a critic.”

Jean Sibelius
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 01:45:04 am

The one notable difference between you and Donald Trump is he is not sitting in judgment of you --- which makes him a more likeable, respectable and Christian soul.

@musiclady

The fact that he has made himself a public figure, and pointedly a governmental one, opens him to all criticism. And I will certainly disagree with you @Right_in_Virginia . That he is anywhere near @musiclady in likability, respectability, or Christian charity is a laughable and foregone conclusion, to be rejected out of hand with nothing more than an hearty guffaw.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Concerned on September 16, 2018, 01:52:06 am
The one notable difference between you and Donald Trump is he is not sitting in judgment of you --- which makes him a more likeable, respectable and Christian soul.

This President may not be sitting in judgment of @musiclady but he sits in judgment of people all the time and when he sits in judgment of them, it's often by giving them childish nicknames and personally attacking them.  The childishness and personal attacks are nothing I'll ever condone from anyone, but of course, that's just me.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: corbe on September 16, 2018, 02:02:05 am
  I see @LegalAmerican is still painting her Masterpiece by slandering Breifers again

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Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: goatprairie on September 16, 2018, 02:16:51 am
I guess I  missed most of this conversation, but as far as wanting to be Donald Trump, why would I want  to be a 99% jackass instead of the 50% one I am now? And I get the feeling my wife would probably dispute the non-50% jackass part of me.  22222frying pan
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 16, 2018, 02:20:56 am
So I guess Trump being a bull in the china shop theory is much like the broken window theory... Both sound good on its face but are actually destructive overall to the claimed end goal...
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 16, 2018, 02:13:20 pm
The fact that he has made himself a public figure, and pointedly a governmental one, opens him to all criticism. And I will certainly disagree with you @Right_in_Virginia . That he is anywhere near @musiclady in likability, respectability, or Christian charity is a laughable and foregone conclusion, to be rejected out of hand with nothing more than an hearty guffaw.

Thank you, sir!

I would also point out that my "judgment" is not my own, but that of the Creator and Savior, and that I am not following my own dictates or wishes with my words, but only maintaining standards that have existed for millenia.

@roamer_1
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 16, 2018, 02:16:00 pm
This President may not be sitting in judgment of @musiclady but he sits in judgment of people all the time and when he sits in judgment of them, it's often by giving them childish nicknames and personally attacking them.  The childishness and personal attacks are nothing I'll ever condone from anyone, but of course, that's just me.

Actually, I'm sure he's sitting in judgment of me, just as he sits in judgment of anyone who didn't vote for him, or doesn't bow down to him.

He proves in every tweet that he is a vindictive judge.  The idea that he is "Christian" in his attitude is a joke.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: catfish1957 on September 16, 2018, 02:21:08 pm

BALONEY,,you write to make yourself  look virtuous, while destroying our country.

Dang Invar...  didn't know you had Zeus powers.    :silly:

@INVAR
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 16, 2018, 04:27:02 pm
The fact that he has made himself a public figure, and pointedly a governmental one, opens him to all criticism. And I will certainly disagree with you @Right_in_Virginia . That he is anywhere near @musiclady in likability, respectability, or Christian charity is a laughable and foregone conclusion, to be rejected out of hand with nothing more than an hearty guffaw.

I've never heard Donald Trump proclaim @musiclady lives an empty and shallow life in comparison to his @roamer_1 .  If he met her the President would most likely congratulate her for living the life she intended.

Musiclady's judgment is unchristian and undeserving of our respect and applause.  This is my opinion, sir. I stand by it and will not change it.  So, let's not spend a Sunday afternoon beating a dead horse.  Let's be adults and agree to disagree.   :beer:

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 16, 2018, 04:30:47 pm
Dang Invar...  didn't know you had Zeus powers.    :silly:

@INVAR

It's funny isn't it?

In one breath they tell us that we are irrelevant, that we do not matter because we are a subset of a tiny minority - and in the next breath they insist that we alone are responsible for destroying Trump and the country.

That is exactly what blind fealty to a cult of personality/monarch looks like, and most often it is the mechanism that egocentric dictatorial madmen rise upon to ensconce themselves into absolute power.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 04:31:02 pm
I guess I  missed most of this conversation, but as far as wanting to be Donald Trump, why would I want  to be a 99% jackass instead of the 50% one I am now? And I get the feeling my wife would probably dispute the non-50% jackass part of me.  22222frying pan

L M A O !!!

Love your sense of humor.

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 16, 2018, 04:47:02 pm
@Right_in_Virginia , I'm going to tell you (again) that I have you on permanent Ignore, so I don't have to see any of your smears or insults, or slams on my character (unless some kind, fair, non-judgmental soul defends me against them, as two did here).

Please don't bother pinging me again.  I will not read what you say.  Life is too short to bother defending myself against someone who can't deal with my distaste for his or her idol.

I know you pretend it's "polite" to ping me, but I really, truly don't give a rip about your insults, so you can stop wasting my time.

A word to the wise?????   Please??? :shrug:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 16, 2018, 05:05:02 pm
:shrug:

If I mention you in a post @musiclady out of respect for you I will ping you.  You, of course, are always free to reply to or simply ignore me.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: corbe on September 16, 2018, 06:57:46 pm
If I mention you in a post @musiclady out of respect for you I will ping you.  You, of course, are always free to reply to or simply ignore me.



   In spite of you telling me the same thing, often, @Right_in_Virginia (Do Not Ping), as you so saliently stated, I ping you out of courtesy and respect.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 16, 2018, 07:36:32 pm
If I mention you in a post @musiclady out of respect for you I will ping you.  You, of course, are always free to reply to or simply ignore me.

If you respected me, as you claim, you wouldn't post insults to me, and you would do as I ask and stop pinging me to your distortions and smears.

I'd rather have you insult me behind my back than to have to see that you've pinged me, and have to ignore it as I always do.

This is the last time I will ask you.  IF you have any respect for me at all, stop pinging me.

(But since I know you actually don't, I will continue to ignore your disrespectful pings for all of eternity.....  *****rollingeyes*****)
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 07:53:13 pm
I've never heard Donald Trump proclaim @musiclady lives an empty and shallow life in comparison to his @roamer_1 .  If he met her the President would most likely congratulate her for living the life she intended.

He may not have toward @musiclady directly, but yes, yes he has, and many times. He is so very braggadocios about his 'success' that it makes up a good half of his lies.

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Musiclady's judgment is unchristian and undeserving of our respect and applause.  This is my opinion, sir. I stand by it and will not change it.  So, let's not spend a Sunday afternoon beating a dead horse.  Let's be adults and agree to disagree.   :beer:

Then @Right_in_Virginia , you only show your ignorance as to what the tenets of Christianity actually are.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 07:54:41 pm
The idea that he is "Christian" in his attitude is a joke.

And a poor one at that.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 16, 2018, 07:57:31 pm

   In spite of you telling me the same thing, often, @Right_in_Virginia (Do Not Ping), as you so saliently stated, I ping you out of courtesy and respect.

And by now @corbe we both know I exercise my right to ignore it.   :laugh:

Carry on.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 16, 2018, 08:16:47 pm
@Right_in_Virginia , you only show your ignorance as to what the tenets of Christianity actually are.

Well, @roamer_1  I know Jesus has very little patience for those who live by and judge others by the word of the law ... all the while pissing all over its spirit.

"Woe" to the vipers.  As it was then, it is now.


Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 08:19:23 pm
Well,  I know Jesus has very little patience for those who live by and judge others by the word of the law ... all the while pissing all over its spirit.

"Woe" to the vipers.  As it was then, it is now.

@Right_in_Virginia
Again. You need to study more.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 16, 2018, 08:20:29 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
Again. You need to study more.

Woe to the vipers, sir.  I'll pray you're not among them.   :beer:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 08:27:16 pm
Woe to the vipers, sir.  I'll pray you're not among them.   :beer:

PSSST! Here's a secret...
The Pharisees did not uphold Torah. They did not stand in the principles of the Law. They had their own thing, the Wisdom of the Elders... They changed the principles of the Law of YHWH to fit their whim and assert their authority. They were the pragmatists.

Yeshua conserved Torah. Yeshua preached Torah. he upheld the principles of Torah. Perfectly. Had he not, he would not qualify as Messiah. Those who follow him do as he did.

Who then would be the viper here @Right_in_Virginia ?
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 16, 2018, 08:29:58 pm
And a poor one at that.

Indeed.

As you said......... more study needed.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 16, 2018, 08:44:47 pm
PSSST! Here's a secret...
The Pharisees did not uphold Torah. They did not stand in the principles of the Law. They had their own thing, the Wisdom of the Elders... They changed the principles of the Law of YHWH to fit their whim and assert their authority. They were the pragmatists.

Yeshua conserved Torah. Yeshua preached Torah. he upheld the principles of Torah. Perfectly. Had he not, he would not qualify as Messiah. Those who follow him do as he did.

Who then would be the viper here @Right_in_Virginia ?

We keep getting living examples of Isaiah 5:20 flung into our faces here, almost daily now.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 09:21:09 pm
We keep getting living examples of Isaiah 5:20 flung into our faces here, almost daily now.

Yeah... It is the trend. Everything upside down and ass backwards.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 09:24:26 pm
We keep getting living examples of Isaiah 5:20 flung into our faces here, almost daily now.

You mean... like this...?

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Proverbs 17:15
Acquitting the guilty and condemning the righteous--both are detestable to the LORD.

Condemning someone as a "bad Christian" or "unChristian" (just because they don't approve of Trump... who is nowhere near being "righteous") is not according to the Lord Jesus.  Those that are doing such might want to rethink it.  Trump is merely a sinner that God is using for His purposes.  That's it.

Sorry, but I had to jump in and throw my two cents in...lol.

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DCPatriot on September 16, 2018, 09:25:58 pm
Yeah... It is the trend. Everything upside down and ass backwards.

And yet there you are, standing in the rain....refusing to come inside.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 09:31:07 pm
And yet there you are, standing in the rain....refusing to come inside.   :laugh:

I like the rain.

When they come for y'all, attracted by the bright lights and laughter, remember me and my primitive shelter up in the holler.
 :beer:
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: skeeter on September 16, 2018, 09:32:19 pm
We keep getting living examples of Isaiah 5:20 flung into our faces here, almost daily now.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

Do you pray for the president, Invar?
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 16, 2018, 09:42:43 pm
You mean... like this...?

Condemning someone as a "bad Christian" or "unChristian" (just because they don't approve of Trump... who is nowhere near being "righteous") is not according to the Lord Jesus.  Those that are doing such might want to rethink it.  Trump is merely a sinner that God is using for His purposes.  That's it.

Sorry, but I had to jump in and throw my two cents in...lol.

This isn't about the average Joe. This is about who we grant power and authority to to lead a nation. You damn well better make moral judgments of those who seek power and authority over you and the nation. They wield it in your name.

You choose immoral people you get immoral fruits.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 09:42:50 pm
1 Timothy 2:1-4

Do you pray for the president, Invar?

I pray for the nation, for our country and I do pray for "us all".   So I figure that, by proxy, includes Trump.  And since I also figure that God is guiding and/or using Trump for His purposes, I don't see the need to pray 'for Trump', specifically.   But whatever.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: XenaLee on September 16, 2018, 09:44:48 pm
This isn't about the average Joe. This is about who we grant power and authority to to lead a nation. You damn well better make moral judgments of those who seek power and authority over you and the nation. They wield it in your name.

You choose immoral people you get immoral fruits.

Agreed.  But when was the last time that "we" (meaning Conservative Christians) actually got what we wanted re: a leader of America?  Some would say back with GWB.  I would say not since Reagan.

Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 16, 2018, 09:56:32 pm
PSSST! Here's a secret...
The Pharisees did not uphold Torah. They did not stand in the principles of the Law.

PSSST!  Here's the secret you're avoiding:  You stand on the principles of the law, yet piss on the spirit of it.  Gandhi said it best:  “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

There is no room for love, compassion or redemption in your "principled" interpretation of Jesus and His teachings.  Such interpretations turn Jesus into a monster only reachable through your principled dictates --- dictates that are stripped of everything Jesus is.

There are modern day Christian Pharisees among us @roamer_1  and several have found a home right here in River City. But, Christians have always had them and with God's grace and help have seen them for what they are and shunned them.

And now you and I have reached another agree to disagree moment.  You won't change my mind ... nor will I change yours.  Continuing to belittle and insult me will only serve to prove my point:  you preach to be better than and to stand in the glory of a spotlight,

I wish a good evening and Godspeed.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: DB on September 16, 2018, 10:01:20 pm
PSSST!  Here's the secret you're avoiding:  You stand on the principles of the law, yet piss on the spirit of it.  Gandhi said it best:  “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

There is no room for love, compassion or redemption in your "principled" interpretation of Jesus and His teachings.  Such interpretations turn Jesus into a monster only reachable through your principled dictates --- dictates that are stripped of everything Jesus is.

There are modern day Christian Pharisees among us @roamer_1  and several have found a home right here in River City. But, Christians have always had them and with God's grace and help have seen them for what they are and shunned them.

And now you and I have reached another agree to disagree moment.  You won't change my mind ... nor will I change yours.  Continuing to belittle and insult me will only serve to prove my point:  you preach to be better than and to stand in the glory of a spotlight,

I wish a good evening and Godspeed.

Dead wrong. There's plenty of room for redemption for those who seek it. From all indications Trump does not seek it. At all. He even said he hasn't asked God for forgiveness because he doesn't think he's done anything to require it. The arrogance of that is astounding. But carry on...
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 16, 2018, 10:03:46 pm
1 Timothy 2:1-4

Do you pray for the president, Invar?

I pray for the leaders only so that I might be left alone, to live peaceably and to be able to do God's work unmolested.

I do not pray for politicians to have political success.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: roamer_1 on September 16, 2018, 10:15:15 pm
PSSST!  Here's the secret you're avoiding:  You stand on the principles of the law, yet piss on the spirit of it.  Gandhi said it best:  “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

There is no room for love, compassion or redemption in your "principled" interpretation of Jesus and His teachings.  Such interpretations turn Jesus into a monster only reachable through your principled dictates --- dictates that are stripped of everything Jesus is.

There are modern day Christian Pharisees among us @roamer_1  and several have found a home right here in River City. But, Christians have always had them and with God's grace and help have seen them for what they are and shunned them.

And now you and I have reached another agree to disagree moment.  You won't change my mind ... nor will I change yours.  Continuing to belittle and insult me will only serve to prove my point:  you preach to be better than and to stand in the glory of a spotlight,

I wish a good evening and Godspeed.


Gee, @Right_in_Virginia ... you sure seem to know a whole lot about what's in my mind. Evidently, more than me...
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 16, 2018, 10:16:18 pm
PSSST!  Here's the secret you're avoiding:  You stand on the principles of the law, yet piss on the spirit of it.  Gandhi said it best:  “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Interesting.  Using a devout Hindu's observation to attack a biblical Christian understanding and application of scripture.  Next you'll quote Osama Bin Laden's views of Christians for us as an indictment of our faith and understanding.

Such interpretations turn Jesus into a monster only reachable through your principled dictates --- dictates that are stripped of everything Jesus is.

Such ignorance.  Biblical Christians do not 'interpret' scripture.  People who 'interpret' intend to change the plain meaning of whatever is written.  We see that played out in the courts regarding the Constitution each day.

Biblical Christians have understanding, that does not change or need to be interpreted - because we believe what the Word says in the proper context and application in concert with the rest of scripture.

There are modern day Christian Pharisees among us @roamer_1  and several have found a home right here in River City.

ReallY?  And which of us have stated that God cannot work with anyone but us?  Which of us have said that the laws and precedents of men (church) trump the Law of God?

It was the Pharisees who declared that Jesus had a demon and was "evil" because He did not follow the Traditions of the Elders (cultural Political Correctness if you will), yet like them - you accuse those who abide by and adhere to the plain meaning of scripture to be evil in themselves. 

And now you and I have reached another agree to disagree moment.  You won't change my mind ... nor will I change yours.

Self-evident for some time now.

Continuing to belittle and insult me will only serve to prove my point:  you preach to be better than and to stand in the glory of a spotlight,

He did nothing of the sort.  He shone the spotlight of an immovable biblical principle, and you reject it outright.   I find it amazing how self-identifying Christians are so eager to stand together with Hindu's, militant atheists and Secularists to castigate biblical moral principles being advocated by those whom are declared to be 'evil' for doing so.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 17, 2018, 01:42:01 am
This is a bible study thread? I thought it was not allowed on here? 
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: INVAR on September 17, 2018, 02:03:01 am
This is a bible study thread? I thought it was not allowed on here?
Directly related to moral principles and liberty - because without biblical principles, there is no liberty as intended for us.

Only freedom and anarchy.
Title: Re: Yes, Trump is a bull in a china shop...and the china shop needs to be wrecked
Post by: musiclady on September 17, 2018, 02:40:55 am
This is a bible study thread? I thought it was not allowed on here?

Does it bother you that our country was founded on Biblical principles, newcomer?

Strange that you think you can control conversations around here that directly relate to the country that most of us were born and raised in and that directly affect the mess we are now in.

The very reason America is circling the drain right now is that we have forsaken the principles of morality and Biblical law on which our Founders based this once great Republic.

And yes, we are permitted to discuss the Biblical morality and ethics here, since it directly relates to the political discussions we have, your protestations notwithstanding.