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Title: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2021, 12:41:27 pm
July 20, 2021
What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
By Gary S. Goldman

I often wonder the difference between patriotism and an unconditional love for your country, but how did we go from living and appreciating the world’s foremost economic and military powerhouse to the derisive rioting, violent protests and the obliviousness to what America has once stood for? Has our educational system failed? How are young Americans being raised to hate the very country they live and can thrive in? Does it prove a failed educational system?

Unfortunately, a large portion of our young generation does not believe the United States of America is a nation worth loving or feeling pride towards. How did we go from standing up to the Pledge of Allegiance, teaching our children respect for the flag, to allowing Americans to turn their backs on the very flag that represents every one of our states, the hardiness and valor of our nation, the purity and innocence of its people, the vigilance, perseverance, and justice for its citizens?

Meanwhile, the recent change of power in Cuba has resulted in the much-oppressed Cuban citizens to take to the streets across their nation to fight for simple human rights of basic goods, services, and medical care; rights that Americans are somehow taking for granted! How would Americans feel if they had to stand in line for blocks long lines to purchase anything they may need at the store? How would Americans feel if their line of communication were somehow disrupted by their own nation in trying to keep them from speaking? And that's not the half of it, the marchers in Havana, after all, were shouting "freedom!" Have Americans forgotten to be grateful for their freedom?

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Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on July 20, 2021, 12:43:12 pm
WWIII
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: dfwgator on July 20, 2021, 12:58:47 pm
Make them live in Cuba for a year.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2021, 01:27:40 pm
Take away their Iphones and Play Stations.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: roamer_1 on July 20, 2021, 01:28:32 pm
Education instead of propaganda.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Wingnut on July 20, 2021, 01:33:43 pm
Bring back dodgeball in the schools.  It is a primer for what's ahead in life. 
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: catfish1957 on July 20, 2021, 02:00:51 pm
I live in a country now where the woke enviro-whackos prosecute us, our beliefs, our heritage, and our way of life.

Whats not to appreciate? /s
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: skeeter on July 20, 2021, 02:37:46 pm
Bring back dodgeball in the schools.  It is a primer for what's ahead in life.
I had never thought about it in those terms, but this is absolutely true.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 20, 2021, 02:48:31 pm
Decertify all teacher's unions.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: rustynail on July 20, 2021, 02:54:29 pm
Mandatory Chinese (Mandarin) language instruction in all grades.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: dfwgator on July 20, 2021, 03:06:24 pm
I had never thought about it in those terms, but this is absolutely true.


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Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: AARguy on July 20, 2021, 04:14:05 pm
Establish mandatory student exchange programs in Islamabad, Baghdad, Chicago, and similar places.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: goatprairie on July 20, 2021, 05:18:11 pm
A great many young people are supreme ignoramuses thanks, ironically,  in large part to the amount of electronic gizmos they have to play with.
In the old days to amuse yourself many times you had to work at it. That includes the simple task of reading a book. I used to read the WB encyclopedia to amuse myself when the winter weather was so cold it was dangerous to go outside.
I wonder how many kids do that anymore or actually read a book?
Today's kids know things, they just don't know many real important things related to understanding the great country they live in.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: berdie on July 20, 2021, 07:30:35 pm
A great many young people are supreme ignoramuses thanks, ironically,  in large part to the amount of electronic gizmos they have to play with.
In the old days to amuse yourself many times you had to work at it. That includes the simple task of reading a book. I used to read the WB encyclopedia to amuse myself when the winter weather was so cold it was dangerous to go outside.
I wonder how kids do that anymore or actually read a book?
Today's kids know things, they just don't know many real important things related to understanding the great country they live in.




That is an excellent post. I was raised in the 50's/60's. A completely different world. I think most people went thru a rebellious stage that included hating/criticizing the country (parents, etc.). I also believe that was a part of wanting to be part "of the crowd" and wasn't part of a taught ideology. So we grew out of it and realized we were goofy. I don't know that today's kids will. It scares and saddens me.

Of course I also live in a rural area...so maybe the kids are taught differently. Maybe all is not lost.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: jafo2010 on July 20, 2021, 10:04:34 pm
A complete purge of all in education at all levels of those that push socialism/communism. 
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: libertybele on July 20, 2021, 10:26:29 pm
I believe it begins in the home, unfortunately, many parents today are themselves products of the liberal education system. 

The liberal agenda has been entrenched in our society, especially our schools and until that changes, we won't see the patriotism that we grew up with.

I wish I had something positive to add to this scenario, but there are few people working towards this change.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Fishrrman on July 20, 2021, 10:42:40 pm
Mr. Goldman asks:
"What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?"

Considering the level of indoctrination they've been exposed to since they were toddlers, it's going to take "a lifetime lived under communism" in order for them to finally wake up and to comprehend that they were deceived by the left.

Then... and only then... will they have learned.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: sneakypete on July 21, 2021, 12:16:15 am
You  would have to get them to pay attention.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Free Vulcan on July 21, 2021, 12:28:19 am
I guess I'm lucky. People here of all ages are patriotic, Dems and Reps.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: AARguy on July 21, 2021, 02:20:22 am
Unfortunately, it make take millions of dead Americans across the country, killed by enemies emboldened to attack our homeland.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: DB on July 21, 2021, 04:21:38 am
Losing it is what it may take.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Hoodat on July 21, 2021, 04:26:41 am
Have them spend a year living in Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Uzbekistan, North Korea, etc.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: GtHawk on July 21, 2021, 06:50:13 pm
Make them live in Cuba for a year.
No send them to a really really successful communist country, one that is ripe with natural resources put to good use for the benefit of the proletariat, Make them survive in Venezuela for a year........if they can.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Fishrrman on July 21, 2021, 10:28:33 pm
I'm thinking that it will take nothing less that the total dismantling and then rebuilding of our
- primary education systems
- university systems
- media establishment
- popular entertainment

And after at least two generations, things may begin to "get back, get back, get back to where they once belonged..."
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2021, 01:18:46 am
Step one: Take away their cell phones,and beat the phones with a big hammer until there is nothing left but a pile of plastic dust.

Step two: Slap the piss out of them to make them stop crying about their cell phones,and make them understand that it is PEOPLE that are important,and cell phones nothing more than a distraction for the simple-minded.

After that,pretty much everything else should fall in line.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 22, 2021, 03:18:29 am
Make them live in Cuba for a year.

I was going to say North Korea.  ASK OTTO WARMEIR, SP.?  How much to appreciate America for. 
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: AARguy on August 10, 2021, 03:13:42 am
Free booze, free dope, free sex, free board, free lodging, free car, free education, and an automatic stipend.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 10, 2021, 03:58:29 am
Free booze, free dope, free sex, free board, free lodging, free car, free education, and an automatic stipend.

You are being sarcastic....right?  Because ALL of that is going on right now. 
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2021, 06:20:32 am
I may be alone in this,but I find the America of today very,very hard to appreciate.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: roamer_1 on August 10, 2021, 07:14:28 am
I may be alone in this,but I find the America of today very,very hard to appreciate.

'America' is an idea, not bounded by borders or popularity, nor by time. America has not changed.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 10, 2021, 07:51:27 am
A great many young people are supreme ignoramuses thanks, ironically,  in large part to the amount of electronic gizmos they have to play with.
In the old days to amuse yourself many times you had to work at it. That includes the simple task of reading a book. I used to read the WB encyclopedia to amuse myself when the winter weather was so cold it was dangerous to go outside.
I wonder how many kids do that anymore or actually read a book?
Today's kids know things, they just don't know many real important things related to understanding the great country they live in.
We had our own library at home, including Britannica, which I still generally prefer. I can't count the hours when the weather was miserable I spent reading. TV was black and white, three channels if the wind was right, and not much to it. It's funny, I saw some movie the other night, and realized I had never seen it in color.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Wingnut on August 12, 2021, 01:38:17 pm
We had our own library at home, including Britannica, which I still generally prefer. I can't count the hours when the weather was miserable I spent reading. TV was black and white, three channels if the wind was right, and not much to it. It's funny, I saw some movie the other night, and realized I had never seen it in color.

When TV signed off the air for the day I enjoyed watching the Test Pattern.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 12, 2021, 01:41:49 pm
When TV signed off the air for the day I enjoyed watching the Test Pattern.
I wasn't a fan of the tone they played after the National Anthem....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2021, 01:58:05 pm
I wasn't a fan of the tone they played after the National Anthem....beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

@Smokin Joe

I honestly think the teebee engineers came up with that annoying sound so it would wake up anyone that fell asleep while watching teebee,so they would go to bed.

Does anyone remember when tv shows started being broadcast 24/7? I sure don't,but I probably went 6 years without even watching tv when I was in the army starting in the mid-60's. Suddenly,it was THERE.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Fishrrman on August 13, 2021, 12:07:04 am
Question:
"What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?"

Answer:
A lifetime lived under American communism.

THEN... perhaps they'll develop an understanding of what they threw away.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2021, 11:55:16 am
Don't it always seem to go
You don't know what you got till its gone...


Joni Mitchell: Big Yellow Taxi
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 13, 2021, 12:29:40 pm
Keep mocking the ridiculousness of wokeism and soon it will be seen as uncool. It’s working.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: catfish1957 on August 13, 2021, 12:58:25 pm
Keep mocking the ridiculousness of wokeism and soon it will be seen as uncool. It’s working.

Yeah, but tell that to corporate America.  They are slow on the draw.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2021, 01:07:35 pm
Yeah, but tell that to corporate America.  They are slow on the draw.
Corporate America has numerous examples of catering to wokeism that have caused companies to reach borderline collapse. Maybe if they hired CEOs that understood that alienating significant portions of their bread-and butter market share to cater to a very small percentage is just plain stupid, they'd do better.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: cato potatoe on August 13, 2021, 02:06:28 pm
Many of them need to spend months in third world countries interacting with the public.  Only then will they understand. 

We also have a problem with older Americans who forget what they were taught as children.  Just listen to Joe Biden - he sounds like a college chick, and 47% of the elderly voted for his dumb ass.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: roamer_1 on August 13, 2021, 05:15:20 pm
Keep mocking the ridiculousness of wokeism and soon it will be seen as uncool. It’s working.

There is more to that than it may seem at first glance.

Yoot is unreasonably and inexorably driven to fads. I find more than a little comfort in the sure knowledge that reality WILL slap these dumazz kids upside the head with a 2x4.

Wisdom begins sometime after 30 years, sooner for some, later for others... But life suffers no fools. those shining egalitarian answers, so apparent and true to the inexperienced yoot, soon come to fruition... and one finds the piper must always be paid.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: skeeter on August 13, 2021, 05:32:00 pm
Keep mocking the ridiculousness of wokeism and soon it will be seen as uncool. It’s working.
What is most disturbing to me is the natural youthful tendency of rebelliousness against authority seems to have been pretty much squashed. Kids are among the biggest statist scolds out there now.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Kamaji on August 13, 2021, 06:11:07 pm
What is most disturbing to me is the natural youthful tendency of rebelliousness against authority seems to have been pretty much squashed. Kids are among the biggest statist scolds out there now.

Unfortunately, that just shows the power of educators and their ability to mould the minds of the young - which is why fascists and authoritarians the world over always want to control education.  The nazis did it, the communists did it.  They turn the children into spies against their parents and family members.

In a way, it's not a squashing of the sense of rebellion, it's a perversion of the need to differentiate self from parent, and takes advantage of that need by setting the children against the parents and indoctrinating them into the belief that doing so is being progressive and future-oriented.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2021, 06:19:11 pm
Take away their Iphones and Play Stations.
A Teacher Explains The Massive Challenges Young Americans Don’t Want To Face, But Must
Jeremy Adams' book, 'Hollowed Out,' offers an alarming diagnosis, as well as a little hope, for a generation that has rejected family and tradition for a damaging digital existence.
By Auguste Meyrat
August 13, 2021

It’s as frustrating as it is typical that cultural critics treat each new development in society as just another phase, as though it were an angsty adolescent trying out a new identity. In some ways, the thought that this or that specific trend is a phase with a beginning and an end may be comforting and easier to understand, but in other ways, it leads to inadequate solutions and circular arguments.  ...

While some may contend it’s completely natural that young people be a little shallow, Adams explains at length this is not true. Something has changed in the past decade, and it’s no secret what it is – their phones.

It’s an inconvenient truth that is quickly forgotten, but Adams makes it clear: “Young people spend up to nine hours a day on their phones, most of it on social media platforms with a vapid parade of posts, comments, and pictures.” Unlike the real world, which imposes certain demands on its participants, the virtual world demands nothing and actively discourages things like introspection, reflection, and accountability. ... Read entire article at The Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/13/a-teacher-explains-the-massive-challenges-young-americans-dont-want-to-face-but-must/)

And consideration that there are things more important than oneself, I suspect - like patriotism.

Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 13, 2021, 07:54:18 pm
... the Boomers to get out of the way.  They are holding up progress on everything.
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Post by: BassWrangler on August 13, 2021, 07:56:09 pm
One day in an ChiCom re-education camp.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 13, 2021, 08:33:23 pm
I think the young ones are more conservative than you realize, even the college educated twits as we love to call them.

They are the largest voting group now. Those 75 million votes for Trump weren't all baby boomers.

Alot of it depends on where you live. Doubtful you'll find many in Manhattan, but they are pretty common here in the Midwest.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 14, 2021, 02:16:21 pm
I think the young ones are more conservative than you realize, even the college educated twits as we love to call them.

They are the largest voting group now. Those 75 million votes for Trump weren't all baby boomers.

Alot of it depends on where you live. Doubtful you'll find many in Manhattan, but they are pretty common here in the Midwest.
I think you are right, but I'm seeing the situation from flyover country, too. Not that we could trust the pollsters and pundits to let it slip that there are Conservative youngsters out there, too. Leftist entities rely on herd mentalities, being "cool" (or whatever you want to call it), and the hammering social media shoutdowns to get compliance, but will not proclaim any failures to convert people to their way of thinking. If they can't shout them down, the censor them.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 14, 2021, 04:21:37 pm
I think you are right, but I'm seeing the situation from flyover country, too. Not that we could trust the pollsters and pundits to let it slip that there are Conservative youngsters out there, too. Leftist entities rely on herd mentalities, being "cool" (or whatever you want to call it), and the hammering social media shoutdowns to get compliance, but will not proclaim any failures to convert people to their way of thinking. If they can't shout them down, the censor them.

Personal anecdote - the plant where I work is experiencing generational turnover and we are hiring alot of 20-somethings. They are nearly all conservative to libertarian, and way more informed than you'd expect.

And up until this election, it was a Democrat county.

The guy I work with direction is 26 and regularly wears a 'Reagan/Bush' 84' t-shirt. First time I saw that my mouth almost dropped open.
Title: Re: What will it take to get young people to appreciate America?
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 14, 2021, 06:26:49 pm
Personal anecdote - the plant where I work is experiencing generational turnover and we are hiring alot of 20-somethings. They are nearly all conservative to libertarian, and way more informed than you'd expect.

And up until this election, it was a Democrat county.

The guy I work with direction is 26 and regularly wears a 'Reagan/Bush' 84' t-shirt. First time I saw that my mouth almost dropped open.
The Democrats' reliance on identity politics is wearing thin with most of the 20 somethings here, unless (and then not always) they 'identify' with one of the protected victim groups. It's hard to get the response urban areas get, because even the youngsters here were generally raised with a work ethic (some did really well on oil royalties from parents/grandparents, but even they are usually farm kids who learned to work). While social media has its share of shills, a lot of the younger set here is downright cynical at the Left's claims and absolutely does not trust Government, especially under Biden. But that's in a county that voted 82% for Trump.