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You Hate It From Barack Obama. But You Love It From Donald Trump.
By Rick Wilson
For the Journal IJReview
I’ve come to realize that the Obama Cult and the Trump Cult are two sides of the same personality-cult coin. The cognitive dissonance between what the Trump faction hated about Obama and what they love about Donald is so far beyond ironic it would take a team of trained linguists and semioticians decades to decode.
But I’ll try.
You hated Barack Obama’s cult-like followers, with their mindless stares of adoration, their impervious barrier between emotion and reason, and their instant fury when confronted with the facts about his record, his history, or his philosophy.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated Obama’s shallow, facile rhetoric, with its hollow promises and loose, lowest-common-denominator word-vomit disconnected from any real policy.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated how Obama was gleefully lying to credulous low information voters, filling them with empty promises of economic prosperity that would never come, based on plans that could never be achieved.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated how Obama lied about his positions on single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, gun control, and abortion to get elected, knowing that if he ever revealed the truth about what he believed that he’d be unelectable.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated how Obama rode the wave of constant attention from the mainstream media into office, and how they played along with his game, draining the life out of every other candidate by describing him as an inevitable juggernaut, an unstoppable political force, and a game-changer who was tapping into something deep and powerful in American political life.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated how Obama’s naive ignorance of the real and brutal world of international affairs was papered over by his hollow promises to make the world respect the United States again.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated Obama’s casual disdain for people who weren’t from a major city where, you know, all the rich, smart, educated, liberal people like him live.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated Obama’s elite credentialism, and how he yielded his Harvard and Columbia degrees to browbeat his aspiring-class opponents from outside the meritocracy, and how he used them to cow an already docile press.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated that smug, arrogant, sneering affect that took hold the moment he thought the cameras weren’t looking.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated Obama’s cadre of sleazy, weird, creepy advisers, with their combination of over-the-edge ideological fervor and their stench of petty corruption.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated Obama’s support for bail-outs, too-big-to-fail, and big, taxpayer-funded government intervention in dying industries.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated his comfy alliance with Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the odious Clinton crime family.
But you love it from Trump.
You hated his cavalier disdain for private property rights.
But you love it from Trump.
Everything that set your teeth on edge, and raised your hackles and made you loathe Barack Obama is there in Donald Trump. Every aspect of the con game Obama played on America in 2008 – the obsessive focus on one base issue (for Obama the war in Iraq, for Trump, Mexicans), the cult-like obsession, the instant attacks on apostates, the willful ignorance of his history and his beliefs – is present in Trump.
Everything you despised in Obama is there.
But you love it from Trump.
http://journal.ijreview.com/2015/08/246433-you-hate-it-from-barack-obama-but-you-love-it-from-donald-trump/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=POLITICS
Rick Wilson is a national Republican media consultant and campaign adviser.
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Which section of the Constitution empowers the President to determine where sites for plants of American companies, will be located? Ford, Nabisco?
Or sites of foreign firms will be located, i.e. Fiat's Chysler, VW, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, Unilever, ad infinitum?
*I grew up watching my grandfather (born 1896) eat Shredded Wheat because he owned Nabisco stock.
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Luis,
I said here on numerous occasions that after having to put up with the A-hole Barack Hussein Obama for 8 years, that it's time we get one of our own.
Let's see how the Democrats like that.
We may have a Republican House and Senate that refuses to go along with a President Donald Trump. Should be interesting to watch.
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Luis,
I said here on numerous occasions that after having to put up with the A-hole Barack Hussein Obama for 8 years, that it's time we get one of our own.
Let's see how the Democrats like that.
We may have a Republican House and Senate that refuses to go along with a President Donald Trump. Should be interesting to watch.
So we now want a President that's bad for the nation and ignores the Constitution but has an "R" next to his name.
We have evolved.
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All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs? I thought this was the party of free trade?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8)
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All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs? I thought this was the party of free trade?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8)
We're evolving.
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All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs? I thought this was the party of free trade?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8)
Has anyone explained to him that he doesn't get to do that?
"The Congress shall have Power To...regulate Commerce with foreign Nations..."
ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 3
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As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing. Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal". They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".
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As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing. Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal". They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".
Calling opposition "haters" is what liberals do. Can we try not to coopt their language and tactics and to then turn around and claim we're somehow different and better than them?
No President has the Constitutional power to "slap a tariff" (I think that's the phrase he used) on anyone. That power is granted to Congress.
You can't both claim you're for free trade and support the idea of governments interfering with trade.
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All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs? I thought this was the party of free trade?
No, the GOP is now "Good Old Protectionism"
Contemporary "conservatism" is severely under the influence of the entertainment gurus, too.
Make me laugh, make me cry, but don't stick to any particular principles any more, okay?
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To see a quarter to a third of the GOP reduced to a cult of personality is really truly sad.
I had no idea there were so many low information, emotionally-driven Republican voters. But, I guess there are dopes across the political spectrum, willing to succumb to vapid demagoguery.
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Calling opposition "haters" is what liberals do. Can we try not to coopt their language and tactics and to then turn around and claim we're somehow different and better than them?
No President has the Constitutional power to "slap a tariff" (I think that's the phrase he used) on anyone. That power is granted to Congress.
You can't both claim you're for free trade and support the idea of governments interfering with trade.
There's free trade and then there is what the United States is engaged in. These guys ain't paying sticker price. They are paying sticker + undercoat + pin striping + extended warranty + whatever else they want to put on the price of the vehicle.
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As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing. Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal". They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".
Who said, "If we are going to sell our products to the rest of the world, we need to strengthen trade laws and ensure their enforcement. We need to make sure that those we compete with also respect workers' rights..."?
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As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing. Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal". They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".
I gotta agree with the haters on this one. Tariffs are a baaaaad idea.
What needs to be done is to improve the conditions in this country and we all know how that's done.
The answer is not to impose another tax. That's just more money for the government to waste, and it won't work.
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I gotta agree with the haters on this one. Tariffs are a baaaaad idea.
What needs to be done is to improve the conditions in this country and we all know how that's done.
The answer is not to impose another tax. That's just more money for the government to waste, and it won't work.
I'm not for tariffs. I am for markets open both ways. I'm also for a currency that is based upon "global" conversion, not the whim of a manufacturing powerhouse.
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I gotta agree with the haters on this one. Tariffs are a baaaaad idea.
What needs to be done is to improve the conditions in this country and we all know how that's done.
The answer is not to impose another tax. That's just more money for the government to waste, and it won't work.
:amen: :amen: and :amen: :patriot:
A tariff is nothing more than another HIDDEN tax on consumers!
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:amen: :amen: and :amen: :patriot:
A tariff is nothing more than another HIDDEN tax on consumers!
Then what would you call a hidden cost on American tax payers? You know, the hidden cost of illegal immigration?
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Then what would you call a hidden cost on American tax payers? You know, the hidden cost of illegal immigration?
Isn't the thinking that the FICA taxes collected from illegal workers paychecks drawn on phony social security numbers, helps keep SS solvent?
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Then what would you call a hidden cost on American tax payers? You know, the hidden cost of illegal immigration?
Whatever it is, it is a "tax" we brought upon ourselves by creating a socialist state to accommodate these immigrants. Blaming them is like blaming Trump for taking advantage of a tax loophole.
If we want to curtail illegal immigration, we can easily do it by getting rid of the magnet of socialism. Conversely, increasing protectionism and erecting more barriers to entry will have the effect of promoting and protecting socialism, an unintended consequence we hardly ever talk about.
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Isn't the thinking that the FICA taxes collected from illegal workers paychecks drawn on phony social security numbers, helps keep SS solvent?
Disclaimer: As a legal immigrant who waited in line in a Communist country for a decade while being verbally abused by teachers and classmates alike who knew that my family had applied to leave the country, I object to illegal immigration. I just like to debate issues based on facts, not memes
It's not the "thinking", it's the fact that there are nearly a trillion dollars in the IRS's Earnings Suspense File.
The "hidden cost" of illegal immigration is somewhat of a myth. The equally "hidden" benefits (according to some economists (not Paul Krugman) tend to either equal out any costs, or even create a surplus. It's difficult to calculate the savings in staple grocery items to the public being generated by the lower wages earned by farm workers.
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I was wondering about how you could possibly calculate the net cost or net benefit considering all factors.
It would be someone's best guess.
I do know this. I replaced the soffits and gutters on my house. I got 2 bids, one was union and one was not. The workers were all south of the border types.
I let you guess which bid was 50% higher.
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I was wondering about how you could possibly calculate the net cost or net benefit considering all factors.
It would be someone's best guess.
I do know this. I replaced the soffits and gutters on my house. I got 2 bids, one was union and one was not. The workers were all south of the border types.
I let you guess which bid was 50% higher.
Not only that....the South of the Border types show up on time....sober...and seem very happy to have work. And they do the job just as well...if not better.
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Disclaimer: As a legal immigrant who waited in line in a Communist country for a decade while being verbally abused by teachers and classmates alike who knew that my family had applied to leave the country, I object to illegal immigration. I just like to debate issues based on facts, not memes
It's not the "thinking", it's the fact that there are nearly a trillion dollars in the IRS's Earnings Suspense File.
The "hidden cost" of illegal immigration is somewhat of a myth. The equally "hidden" benefits (according to some economists (not Paul Krugman) tend to either equal out any costs, or even create a surplus. It's difficult to calculate the savings in staple grocery items to the public being generated by the lower wages earned by farm workers.
So, basically, you're for the oppression of pseudo-slavery by allowing people to live a lawless life in America just so people can have cheap lettuce?
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All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs? I thought this was the party of free trade?
It's a debate that I saw over and over at TOS. I'm in the group that thinks you can't have unrestrained free trade with a partner that fixes their currency, and limits access to their markets. But, they welcomed our manufacturing base.
Well done free traders.
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It's a debate that I saw over and over at TOS. I'm in the group that thinks you can't have unrestrained free trade with a partner that fixes their currency, and limits access to their markets. But, they welcomed our manufacturing base.
Well done free traders.
:beer:
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Not only that....the South of the Border types show up on time....sober...and seem very happy to have work. And they do the job just as well...if not better.
You're exactly right..and they were such a happy little group working together.
How did you know? Where you there watching them? :) :laugh:
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You're exactly right..and they were such a happy little group working together.
How did you know? Where you there watching them? :) :laugh:
Well, sort of.
DISCLAIMER: When the unemployment rate was 5 percent during GWB's terms, that was considered FULL EMPLOYMENT. The true rate is over 15 percent today. Let's say, I've evolved when Americans go without jobs and illegals take them.
That said.....
I hired a general contractor who was a friend of mine. He had two work crews of illegal Hispanic workers in the remodeling trades.
Got to know the men....their teenage-children delivered flyers for me at $10. per hour. This was back in 2002-2005.
I ate dinner at their homes, and am considered a friend today...even though I'm out of the business (retired).
Always had a soft spot in my heart for those Hispanics that came here and refused government welfare. They had jobs, they had leases, they bought homes, they raised children.
They're just as American as you or me.
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So, basically, you're for the oppression of pseudo-slavery by allowing people to live a lawless life in America just so people can have cheap lettuce?
They're here because life here is better than any options they have there. They can leave at any time, so the pseudo-slavery thing is just hyperbole.
Back in the '70s American Sugar used to bring in cutters from Haiti for the sugar harvest. The cutters came with their families and were provided with wages, housing, schooling for their kids, clothing, food and medical care (including dental).
They didn't make a lot and the houses weren't something that you and I would find acceptable, but it was better wages than they could get in Haiti and better housing. The other things were icing on the cake.
They went back to Haiti after season and had enough money to support themselves and their family until the next harvest.
Groups of concerned citizens began protesting the "slave-like life" these cutters had, and eventually AS got tired of the bad press. They mechanized the harvest and the cutter never came back.
Thanks to those citizens, the cutters lost things that weren't available to them in Haiti.
Insofar as living a lawless life, I'm all for finding a remedy for that. It's the rest of you guys that want to keep them living that lawless life.
And no one minds expensive lettuce until lettuce gets expensive. Then everyone's pissed.
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So, basically, you're for the oppression of pseudo-slavery by allowing people to live a lawless life in America just so people can have cheap lettuce?
So I ask you, who does that sound like Reagan or Sanders?
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It's a debate that I saw over and over at TOS. I'm in the group that thinks you can't have unrestrained free trade with a partner that fixes their currency, and limits access to their markets. But, they welcomed our manufacturing base.
Well done free traders.
yup
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I agree that there are a large number of "republicans' who are blindly, emotionally supporting the SAME THINGS in Donald Trump that they attacked in Barack Obama.
I really thought we were smarter than this......
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Calling opposition "haters" is what liberals [and Palindrones] do.
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I agree that there are a large number of "republicans' who are blindly, emotionally supporting the SAME THINGS in Donald Trump that they attacked in Barack Obama.
I really thought we were smarter than this......
As has been quite readily shown lately, contemporary "conservatism" portrayed by Republicans in American politics, is less and less intellectually consistent.
The stool sits on very wobbly legs, social, economic and national security.
A lot of rock-solid old line conservatives want little to do with the nativism, for example. The idea of decades whereby the 14th Amendment gave citizenship to people, only to have some today claim that citizenship could be retroactively revoked by executive order, if only we elect Trump.
Our constitution does disallow "Ex Post Facto" laws, so that would be in principle "against the Constitution," in case anybody is left that cares.
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As has been quite readily shown lately, contemporary "conservatism" portrayed by Republicans in American politics, is less and less intellectually consistent.
The stool sits on very wobbly legs, social, economic and national security.
A lot of rock-solid old line conservatives want little to do with the nativism, for example. The idea of decades whereby the 14th Amendment gave citizenship to people, only to have some today claim that citizenship could be retroactively revoked by executive order, if only we elect Trump.
Our constitution does disallow "Ex Post Facto" laws, so that would be in principle "against the Constitution," in case anybody is left that cares.
Well, look at the bright side. We've finally achieved that three party system we've talked about for so many years.
We have the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Angry People a Who Really Hate Anything Mexican Party.
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Well, sort of.
DISCLAIMER: When the unemployment rate was 5 percent during GWB's terms, that was considered FULL EMPLOYMENT. The true rate is over 15 percent today. Let's say, I've evolved when Americans go without jobs and illegals take them.
That said.....
I hired a general contractor who was a friend of mine. He had two work crews of illegal Hispanic workers in the remodeling trades.
Got to know the men....their teenage-children delivered flyers for me at $10. per hour. This was back in 2002-2005.
I ate dinner at their homes, and am considered a friend today...even though I'm out of the business (retired).
Always had a soft spot in my heart for those Hispanics that came here and refused government welfare. They had jobs, they had leases, they bought homes, they raised children.
They're just as American as you or me.
Couldn't possibly agree more.
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I agree that there are a large number of "republicans' who are blindly, emotionally supporting the SAME THINGS in Donald Trump that they attacked in Barack Obama.
I really thought we were smarter than this......
How so?
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How so?
It is liberals who have always based their 'principles' on emotion. Conservatives have traditionally been thoughtful, and resisted the cult of personality.
That is no longer true, as it is emotion driving the Trump cult, and not reason.
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It is liberals who have always based their 'principles' on emotion. Conservatives have traditionally been thoughtful, and resisted the cult of personality.
That is no longer true, as it is emotion driving the Trump cult, and not reason.
I agree with that and predict that it will pass long before people have to begin casting actual votes.
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I agree with that and predict that it will pass long before people have to begin casting actual votes.
I want to agree with this, but I think Trump's supporters are highly angry people, and they are dug in. So I think Trump has solidified his status as one of the three finalists in this competition. Now it is a fight between 15 people for the other two spots.
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I agree with that and predict that it will pass long before people have to begin casting actual votes.
I pray you're right, Bigun.
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Well, look at the bright side. We've finally achieved that three party system we've talked about for so many years.
We have the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the Angry People a Who Really Hate Anything Mexican Party.
No bias there, nope, none.
Luis, the "great thinker" who "adds so much to this site."
That's quite an "addition".
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I want to agree with this, but I think Trump's supporters are highly angry people, and they are dug in. So I think Trump has solidified his status as one of the three finalists in this competition. Now it is a fight between 15 people for the other two spots.
I find "angry" a bit condescending. Buchanan and Keyes, angry. Trump resonates with blue collar people. The meat and potatoes crowd. Salt of the earth Americans.
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I find "angry" a bit condescending. Buchanan and Keyes, angry. Trump resonates with blue collar people. The meat and potatoes crowd. Salt of the earth Americans.
I'm blue collar.
He doesn't resonate with me.
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Well, sort of.
DISCLAIMER: When the unemployment rate was 5 percent during GWB's terms, that was considered FULL EMPLOYMENT. The true rate is over 15 percent today. Let's say, I've evolved when Americans go without jobs and illegals take them.
That said.....
I hired a general contractor who was a friend of mine. He had two work crews of illegal Hispanic workers in the remodeling trades.
Got to know the men....their teenage-children delivered flyers for me at $10. per hour. This was back in 2002-2005.
I ate dinner at their homes, and am considered a friend today...even though I'm out of the business (retired).
Always had a soft spot in my heart for those Hispanics that came here and refused government welfare. They had jobs, they had leases, they bought homes, they raised children.
They're just as American as you or me.
Legal Americans would like those jobs, too. Unemployment here is high.
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They're here because life here is better than any options they have there.
Well, lets look at this another way.
They are here because they would not stand up for their country and their children and their future and allowed their religion and criminals turn their country into a crap hole.
If those 11/22 million Hispanics went back to Mexico or where ever and fought to clean up their country, I guarantee they would win and would have a shot at making their version of nirvana.
I am not against anyone because of their heritage so don't go there but I am opposed to what their presence is doing to this country and is the primary excuse for not securing our borders from those that are here for other than honorable intent.
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Well, lets look at this another way.
They are here because they would not stand up for their country and their children and their future and allowed their religion and criminals turn their country into a crap hole.
If those 11/22 million Hispanics went back to Mexico or where ever and fought to clean up their country, I guarantee they would win and would have a shot at making their version of nirvana.
I am not against anyone because of their heritage so don't go there but I am opposed to what their presence is doing to this country and is the primary excuse for not securing our borders from those that are here for other than honorable intent.
Huzzah!
They are cowards in their own lands pretending to be heroes in ours.
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I'm blue collar.
He doesn't resonate with me.
That's fine but you have different fish to fry.
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Well, lets look at this another way.
They are here because they would not stand up for their country and their children and their future and allowed their religion and criminals turn their country into a crap hole.
If those 11/22 million Hispanics went back to Mexico or where ever and fought to clean up their country, I guarantee they would win and would have a shot at making their version of nirvana.
I am not against anyone because of their heritage so don't go there but I am opposed to what their presence is doing to this country and is the primary excuse for not securing our borders from those that are here for other than honorable intent.
Well said! :amen:
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It is liberals who have always based their 'principles' on emotion. Conservatives have traditionally been thoughtful, and resisted the cult of personality. That is no longer true, as it is emotion driving the Trump cult, and not reason.
I think you're missing what's going on here. This is more an eruption of the fury that's been building over the past eight years rather than a cult of personality. Remember, the fury has been not only with Obama but also with the behavior of our esteemed political party. Any other GOP candidate could have ignited this spark, but for whatever reason, no one else did.
I think the "thoughtful" principle driving Trump's popularity comes from deep inside the gut and can be expressed in one simple word: "ENOUGH!!"
But, rest assured the GOP will return to the lofty tradition of "thoughtfulness"---and in November 2016 they will once again bring a knife to a gunfight.
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I think you're missing what's going on here. This is more an eruption of the fury that's been building over the past eight years rather than a cult of personality. Remember, the fury has been not only with Obama but also with the behavior of our esteemed political party. Any other GOP candidate could have ignited this spark, but for whatever reason, no one else did.
I think the "thoughtful" principle driving Trump's popularity comes from deep inside the gut and can be expressed in one simple word: "ENOUGH!!"
But, rest assured the GOP will return to the lofty tradition of "thoughtfulness"---and in November 2016 they will once again bring a knife to a gunfight.
Maybe but I don't think so! Trump has let the genie out of the bottle and there is NO getting it back in there!
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I think you're missing what's going on here. This is more an eruption of the fury that's been building over the past eight years rather than a cult of personality. Remember, the fury has been not only with Obama but also with the behavior of our esteemed political party. Any other GOP candidate could have ignited this spark, but for whatever reason, no one else did.
I think the "thoughtful" principle driving Trump's popularity comes from deep inside the gut and can be expressed in one simple word: "ENOUGH!!"
But, rest assured the GOP will return to the lofty tradition of "thoughtfulness"---and in November 2016 they will once again bring a knife to a gunfight.
What makes you think that those of us who find Trump completely unacceptable as a conservative candidate, are not equally frustrated with the impotence of the GOP 'leaders?'
The assumption that opposing Trump, who is NOT conservative, is falling in line with the GOP is ridiculous.
It is precisely because Trump does NOT support the fundamental principles of conservatism, in addition to his bullying and call for an even more imperial presidency, that I oppose him.
Those who are cheering for him are either not listening to him, or really do want a 'Republican' dictator.
I have had "ENOUGH" of dictators, so I do not support Trump.
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Heck, no I don't want a Republican dictator. I'm a small c, small l guy.
The Republican Party is all big G-government.
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Heck, no I don't want a Republican dictator. I'm a small c, small l guy.
The Republican Party is all big G-government.
As is Donald Trump.
We have a better shot at smaller government with someone other than Trump.
We have a far more likely possibility of another bully-dictator on 'our side' if he's elected.
I don't want our own dictator. Ergo, I don't want Trump.
I've had "ENOUGH."
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As is Donald Trump.
We have a better shot at smaller government with someone other than Trump.
We have a far more likely possibility of another bully-dictator on 'our side' if he's elected.
I don't want our own dictator. Ergo, I don't want Trump.
I've had "ENOUGH."
But you will concede that the Washington DC Republican Party is only slightly less big G-government than are Democrats?
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But you will concede that the Washington DC Republican Party is only slightly less big G-government than are Democrats?
No. The growth is normally slowed during a republican admin BUT I have yet to see a republican admin eliminate anything the dems put in place.
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Maybe but I don't think so! Trump has let the genie out of the bottle and there is NO getting it back in there!
I'm not so sure about that. It's easier for civilized people to pretend to be uncivilized than the other way around. I believe there was an episode of "Star Trek" using that as a plot device.
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I find "angry" a bit condescending. Buchanan and Keyes, angry. Trump resonates with blue collar people. The meat and potatoes crowd. Salt of the earth Americans.
It wasn't meant to be condescending at all. I myself am angry at establishment politics and I am neither ashamed of it or afraid to admit it. I haven't (yet?) jumped the shark as far as Trump is concerned, but neither am I necessarily antagonistic toward him or his supporters.
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It wasn't meant to be condescending at all. I myself am angry at establishment politics and I am neither ashamed of it or afraid to admit it. I haven't (yet?) jumped the shark as far as Trump is concerned, but neither am I necessarily antagonistic toward him or his supporters.
I have to apologize to you. "Angry" is one of my pet peeve words. It's like nails on a blackboard to me. I should probably put it in my tagline.
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That's fine but you have different fish to fry.
This is the sort of bullshit that I find unacceptable.
What different fish do I have to fry?
Is it a spic fish?
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This is the sort of bullshit that I find unacceptable.
What different fish do I have to fry?
Is it a spic fish?
Actually no. It's a "Jeb Fish". You are shilling for Jeb. I'm sure you have your reasons to push your agenda.
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Actually no. It's a "Jeb Fish". You are shilling for Jeb. I'm sure you have your reasons to push your agenda.
I'm not shilling for anyone.
I support someone just like you do, except the guy I support is a pro-life, pro 2A, tax and government size cutter life-long Republican and not the liberal Democrat you like.
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What makes you think that those of us who find Trump completely unacceptable as a conservative candidate, are not equally frustrated with the impotence of the GOP 'leaders?' It is precisely because Trump does NOT support the fundamental principles of conservatism, in addition to his bullying and call for an even more imperial presidency, that I oppose him. Those who are cheering for him are either not listening to him, or really do want a 'Republican' dictator.
I have had "ENOUGH" of dictators, so I do not support Trump.
Well, bless your heart. Your kneejerk reply is, IMHO, a perfect example of the sanctimonious dogmatism that promises to keep Republicans out of the White House for decades.
Well, well done! :patriot:
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Maybe but I don't think so! Trump has let the genie out of the bottle and there is NO getting it back in there!
I pray you're right. :0001:
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Well, bless your heart. Your kneejerk reply is, IMHO, a perfect example of the sanctimonious dogmatism that promises to keep Republicans out of the White House for decades.
Well, well done! :patriot:
#1 - There was nothing 'kneejerk' about my reply, nor is there EVER anything kneejerk about my replies.
I THINK. That's what those of us on the right are supposed to do.............. isn't it??
#2 - Your hostile, condescending response is precisely why I'm not going to be on any further threads with "Trump" in the title for quite some in the future.
His supporters are pretty much as nasty as he is, and I'm thinking not a single solitary bit more conservative.....
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But you will concede that the Washington DC Republican Party is only slightly less big G-government than are Democrats?
Of course I do.
It's big government their way, or big government the Republican way.
That's my point here.
Just because some of us don't want another liberal bully in the WH (Trump) doesn't mean we support what the Republican party has been doing or not been doing.
The idea that everyone who hates big government embraces Trump is just poppycock.
It's precisely because I am a small government conservative that I reject him.
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Of course I do.
It's big government their way, or big government the Republican way.
That's my point here.
Just because some of us don't want another liberal bully in the WH (Trump) doesn't mean we support what the Republican party has been doing or not been doing.
The idea that everyone who hates big government embraces Trump is just poppycock.
It's precisely because I am a small government conservative that I reject him.
I understand.
It does present a problem though that conservatives are split on Trump. I've listened to conservative right radio for decades and each side presents good arguments. There is a bit of cognitive dissonance in Republican circles these days and it's all Trump's doing. Imagine how he'll shake up the bureaucracy once he's in office. Not predicting, just speculating.
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I understand.
It does present a problem though that conservatives are split on Trump. I've listened to conservative right radio for decades and each side presents good arguments. There is a bit of cognitive dissonance in Republican circles these days and it's all Trump's doing. Imagine how he'll shake up the bureaucracy once he's in office. Not predicting, just speculating.
That's an interesting speculation, but at what cost? Our conservative principles down the drain? Our longing for a smaller government washed away by a guy who thinks he's just going to tell people what to do and they'll do it?
The reason, I posit, that there is a split among conservatives is that there are a number who are just so angry that the fact that Trump is yelling at people makes them feel good. But in feeling good, they are, I maintain, sacrificing the basic principles of conservatism because Trump doesn't believe in them.
Again.......... feelings are not what is supposed to drive conservatism. But that's what's happening right now, and it's not a good sign.
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I THINK. That's what those of us on the right are supposed to do.............. isn't it?? #2 - Your hostile, condescending response is precisely why I'm not going to be on any further threads with "Trump" in the title for quite some in the future. His supporters are pretty much as nasty as he is, and I'm thinking not a single solitary bit more conservative.....
ML you may think, but you think in a very narrow, ever-shrinking box. You are unable to recognize an organic political movement when it hits you upside the head. Instead of trying to understand the origins, magnitude, goals and sheer power of this phenomenon--you're trying to kill it because it doesn't fit your mold. This is not, IMO, "thinking'. This is stagnating.
And as to my "hostile, condescending" response-- well "hostile" is a bit too emotional a reaction for my taste. But my reply to you sure was condescending. I'm actually relieved you "got" that. But come on, ML--this cannot be the first time--or the 100th time--your "debate" style has earned you a healthy dose of condescension; so please lighten up on the indignation.
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ML you may think, but you think in a very narrow, ever-shrinking box. You are unable to recognize an organic political movement when it hits you upside the head. Instead of trying to understand the origins, magnitude, goals and sheer power of this phenomenon--you're trying to kill it because it doesn't fit your mold. This is not, IMO, "thinking'. This is stagnating.
And as to my "hostile, condescending" response-- well "hostile" is a bit too emotional a reaction for my taste. But my reply to you sure was condescending. I'm actually relieved you "got" that. But come on, ML--this cannot be the first time--or the 100th time--your "debate" style has earned you a healthy dose of condescension; so please lighten up on the indignation.
Didn't you used to be a nice person? I was sure I remembered you as a thoughtful, kind man.... Must have been someone else..
As for 'stagnating'............ The vast majority of conservatives who haven't jumped on the dictator for President bandwagon are not 'thinking,' but 'stagnating?' Stagnating in loving our country and its constitution? Stagnating in expecting character in our Presidential candidates? Stagnating in thinking that someone representing us and running for the presidency should at least share a few of our conservative values?
If standing on the Constitution and on ethical principles is stagnation, and if expecting decency and character in a President is stagnation, then I'll gladly wear the label, and endure the insults that you so drippingly shower upon me.
I'll consider it a red badge of courage.
So, thanks. :patriot:
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It's interesting how so many of the defenders of Trump turn to personal insults when they can't reply with reasoned answers to the questions Trump's lack of conservatism raise.
This is the second time in 24 hours that a Trump fan has resorted to very personal attacks on me and chosen not to respond to the substance of my posts. One must presume that it's because there IS no response to Trump's lack of conservatism, so ad hominems are all they have.
Again............. once this thread and the other are done, I am OFF Trump threads.
I'm starting to get TOS flashbacks, not being able to trust people to be decent, and I don't like the feeling at all......
In the mean time there are at least 4 or 5 potentially strong candidates to look at, and that's exactly what I'm going to continue doing.
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This is August 2015. Election night happens in November 2016.
This is gonna be a slog.
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In the mean time there are at least 4 or 5 potentially strong candidates to look at, and that's exactly what I'm going to continue doing.
Amen ML. Amen.
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Amen ML. Amen.
After the last 24 hours, I think I may have to do it someplace else.
Too much 'incoming' in what should be (and usually is) a place for reasonable dialogue......
I'm stunned.
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After the last 24 hours, I think I may have to do it someplace else.
Too much 'incoming' in what should be (and usually is) a place for reasonable dialogue......
I'm stunned.
Don't let it get to you ML! I may read something with the word TRUMP in the title but rarely comment on it these days. Just like the flu this will also pass.
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Don't let it get to you ML! I may read something with the word TRUMP in the title but rarely comment on it these days. Just like the flu this will also pass.
Thanks, Bigun.
That's what I've decided I'm going to have to do............ unless I just decide to take a break for a while.
All I can say is, if this flu doesn't pass before long, we're in even greater trouble than I've imagined before.
Now I think I'll go make some music to clear my head and ease my troubled soul.....
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Don't let it get to you ML! I may read something with the word TRUMP in the title but rarely comment on it these days. Just like the flu this will also pass.
The latest poll shows Trump increasing his lead again, now up to 40%
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If standing on the Constitution and on ethical principles is stagnation, and if expecting decency and character in a President is stagnation, then I'll gladly wear the label, and endure the insults that you so drippingly shower upon me.
And again you take us to the nub of one of our most persistent image problems--that off-putting self-righteousness masquerading as political insight.
I'm not trying to challenge your delivery--I thought it was actually pretty good. But I need to know: Through your lecture, did you have both hands on your hips...or one finger pointing and wagging at me? :tongue2:
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It's interesting how so many of the defenders of Trump turn to personal insults when they can't reply with reasoned answers to the questions Trump's lack of conservatism raise.
Well, I'm not a defender of Trump. I'm a conservative Republican and your style insults under a veneer of honey and pushes more away than it attracts. I pray you represent the national minority--otherwise conservatism dies on the vine.
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Well, I'm not a defender of Trump. I'm a conservative Republican and your style insults under a veneer of honey and pushes more away than it attracts. I pray you represent the national minority--otherwise conservatism dies on the vine.
Well, if I push nasty people like you away, so be it.
I'm calling it as I see it, and that's all. But you can't stay away from the personal insults in response, when I haven't said anything personal to you.
I never thought that someone I always considered to be a decent man would try to drive me away from this forum, but you're doing a pretty darned good job of doing that.
I don't know what's eating you, Right, but why don't you just put me on ignore so that I don't drive you to say any more stupid things? You obviously have issues with me, and aren't making any sense right now.
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I'm not so sure about that. It's easier for civilized people to pretend to be uncivilized than the other way around. I believe there was an episode of "Star Trek" using that as a plot device.
It was the episode about the 'mirror universe', with a Terran Empire (no Federation).
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Well, I'm not a defender of Trump. I'm a conservative Republican and your style insults under a veneer of honey and pushes more away than it attracts. I pray you represent the national minority--otherwise conservatism dies on the vine.
Oh, that's rich!!
You claim to not defend Trump, yet you come back at me with meaningless ad hominems because I say the guy is a non-conservative jerk, but I'm the one to blame for killing conservatism. What a joke!
PLEASE put me on ignore. You'll stop this absurd behavior and live longer. A twofer.
(How weird it is to have a seemingly decent man, Right_in_Virginia, has silently built up a deep personal hostility toward me without my ever having said anything about him at all. It just goes to show you that the internet does strange things to otherwise decent people. I remind him, apparently, of a teacher he had that he clearly didn't like, and though there is no parallel with me and this other person, Right has decided he's going to insult me into silence. I will not, however, cease and desist from saying what I believe, nor from defending conservative principles, and I especially will not be cowed by some stranger who has some bizarre chip on his shoulder.
I will, however, avoid Trump threads for at least a little while, because no sane person puts him/herself deliberately in the line of fire of irrational people. And I.......... am sane).
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The latest poll shows Trump increasing his lead again, now up to 40%
The fever has to break some time.
If it doesn't, we are even more moribund than previously thought......
Fortunately, we still have more than a year for recovery.
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Actually no. It's a "Jeb Fish". You are shilling for Jeb. I'm sure you have your reasons to push your agenda.
Everyone has their favorite candidate at this point in the campaign. The important bit is to be able to coherently explain *WHY* your preferred candidate is the best one. If the argument for the candidate fails to win anyone, then either the candidate or the poster isn't doing a very good job of it.
That's how opinions and views on the candidates are formed.
Personally, I don't think Jeb is suited for President. He's got a good record as Governor, but he doesn't really seem to have any desire to be President. He comes across as another Fred Thompson, who didn't really want the job... but ran because the GOP asked.
That, and I really don't like the message sent with the possibility of three Bush Presidents in one lifetime. I can wave off two from one family in one lifetime... but no more.
But Luis makes a good argument that voters SHOULD look at. (I just think that there are better choices, like Rubio)
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The problem with Trump is twofold. His behavior, views on government, and his personality... *AND* his supporters. The only argument that his supporters give as to why anyone should look at Trump is that "We're pissed off!!11!11!11!1!!11 RAAAAAAAWR!!! BURN IT ALL DOWN!"
And that's just anarchy.
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It's interesting how so many of the defenders of Trump turn to personal insults when they can't reply with reasoned answers to the questions Trump's lack of conservatism raise.
This is the second time in 24 hours that a Trump fan has resorted to very personal attacks on me and chosen not to respond to the substance of my posts. One must presume that it's because there IS no response to Trump's lack of conservatism, so ad hominems are all they have.
Again............. once this thread and the other are done, I am OFF Trump threads.
I'm starting to get TOS flashbacks, not being able to trust people to be decent, and I don't like the feeling at all......
In the mean time there are at least 4 or 5 potentially strong candidates to look at, and that's exactly what I'm going to continue doing.
It's the church of the god-queen Palin, part deux. Pope Trump hath his worshippers... and all who doth not follow his immaculate ways are the vilest of heathens, fit only for damnation in the deepest pits of hell.
And I'd be willing to bet a beer that he's attracting her same supporters.
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It's the church of the god-queen Palin, part deux. Pope Trump hath his worshippers... and all who do not follow his immaculate ways are the vilest of heathens, fit only for damnation in the deepest pits of hell.
And I'd be willing to bet a beer that he's attracting her same supporters.
Feels that way sometimes doesn't it? And then they deny they support him. I guess they've got a guilty conscience.
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It's the church of the god-queen Palin, part deux. Pope Trump hath his worshippers... and all who doth not follow his immaculate ways are the vilest of heathens, fit only for damnation in the deepest pits of hell.
And I'd be willing to bet a beer that he's attracting her same supporters.
I don't know about that. I admired Sarah Palin for quite a while, and when I was working on the uninspired McCain campaign, it was only when Palin was chosen as VP nominee that there was any fire in the campaign at all. (By 2012, I no longer thought she was a viable candidate for anything).
But I do agree that there is something weird going on here with Trump followers. Something weirdly irrational that doesn't bode well for conservatism.
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Wrong on all counts. 88devil
That's the first thing you've said that made any sense.
The rest has been drivel....
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How weird it is to have a seemingly decent man, Right_in_Virginia, build up a deep personal hostility toward me without my ever having said anything about him at all. It just goes to show you that the internet does strange things to otherwise decent people. I remind him, apparently, of a teacher he had that he clearly didn't like, and though there is no parallel with me and this other person, Right has decided he's going to insult me into silence. I will not, however, cease and desist from saying what I believe, nor from defending conservative principles, and I especially will not be cowed by some stranger who has some bizarre chip on his shoulder.
:facepalm: This is a stunning display of self-absorption.
I find you annoying. And sanctimonious. Oh, and on a few occasion flat out wrong. Nothing more nothing less.
Well, until now. Because now I'm seeing you as a little nuts in that frightening, clinical way and you're starting to scare the hell out of me .
Get some fresh air! Find a playmate! Read a book! Anything -- go DO anything else.
But above all, put me on "Ignore".
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That's the first thing you've said that made any sense.
The rest has been drivel....
I've placed you on ignore. Go scare someone else.
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I've placed you on ignore. Go scare someone else.
I'm not putting you on ignore.
I've never said a single thing that should have offended you, and yet you are whining about me, attacking me, and making yourself look really petty.
I have no idea what's wrong with you, but I do know whatever it is has nothing in the world to do with me.
You have constructed a 'reality' that does not exist, and have chosen to allow that imaginary world to make you angry at something that also doesn't exist.
As I said before.......... I used to respect you, and think you were one of the good guys. I was wrong.
I don't know what happened (I suspect it was before Trump, but that Trump has exacerbated it), but something is seriously awry and I hope you get better.
btw, I have an amazingly diverse and healthy life with lots of friends, and amazingly loving husband and family, a great profession, and a Lord who loves me unconditionally, and forgives me for thinking more of myself than I ought.
I wish you well, and I refuse to put you on Ignore, but am glad you've put me there because your anger at me personally is very unhealthy.
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This is the weirdest experience I have had in a very long time. Blindsided by someone whom I have NEVER offended, and then put on ignore by the same person because he just can't stand me....... and I 'scare' him.
Just weird.
But an appropriate ending to my Trump discussions.
I think my point was proven in spades..... :beer:
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This is the weirdest experience I have had in a very long time. Blindsided by someone whom I have NEVER offended, and then put on ignore by the same person because he just can't stand me....... and I 'scare' him.
Just weird.
But an appropriate ending to my Trump discussions.
I think my point was proven in spades..... :beer:
At this point in time, I favor Donald Trump over EVERY other declared candidate running. If he's the nominee, I'll gladly campaign and vote for him.
But I'll never stop loving you, MusicLady! :patriot: I love your style, manner of decorum and your mind. Not necessarily in that order. :laugh:
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At this point in time, I favor Donald Trump over EVERY other declared candidate running. If he's the nominee, I'll gladly campaign and vote for him.
But I'll never stop loving you, MusicLady! :patriot: I love your style, manner of decorum and your mind. Not necessarily in that order. :laugh:
I just made a batch of Snickerdoodles, DC. Ya wanna come over for some? They're amazingly good!
(And you can bring Right with you if you'd like. I'm really a very nice person, and not in the least 'sanctimonious.' ^-^ )
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This is the weirdest experience I have had in a very long time. Blindsided by someone whom I have NEVER offended, and then put on ignore by the same person because he just can't stand me....... and I 'scare' him.
Who's the 'him" you keep referring to? ^-^
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Who's the 'him" you keep referring to? ^-^
Not me. I've still got everyone on loud and clear.
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It was the episode about the 'mirror universe', with a Terran Empire (no Federation).
Yes. I really liked the Spock in that alternate universe.
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Who's the 'him" you keep referring to? ^-^
Wasn't going to say anything.
Thought....wait until musiclady learns you're a woman. Now you've done it. :laugh:
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Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on Today at 07:15:58 PM
Who's the 'him" you keep referring to? ^-^
Wasn't going to say anything.
Thought....wait until musiclady learns you're a woman. Now you've done it. :laugh:
LOL...that was good :)
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Wasn't going to say anything.
Thought....wait until musiclady learns you're a woman. Now you've done it. :laugh:
Oops. ^-^
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I just made a batch of Snickerdoodles, DC. Ya wanna come over for some? They're amazingly good!
(And you can bring Right with you if you'd like. I'm really a very nice person, and not in the least 'sanctimonious.' ^-^ )
Snickerdoodles?
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Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on Today at 07:15:58 PM
Who's the 'him" you keep referring to? ^-^
Wasn't going to say anything.
Thought....wait until musiclady learns you're a woman. Now you've done it. :laugh:
LOL...that was good :)
It would be except I believe she was referring to onc.
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Wasn't going to say anything.
Thought....wait until musiclady learns you're a woman. Now you've done it. :laugh:
Well, SHE can come over for snickerdoodles too (Even though SHE doesn't do the 'ignore' thing very well!). My husband and I are celebrating nearly 4 decades of marriage tomorrow, so don't come on our anniversary, cause we want to be alone, but any time after that you're both welcome! :beer:
(And I'm still not in the least sanctimonious. I'm practically perfect in every way. ^-^ )
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Snickerdoodles?
I make the best in the world, onc. You wanna come too? It will remind you of all the good things about childhood!
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Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on Today at 07:15:58 PM
Who's the 'him" you keep referring to? ^-^
Wasn't going to say anything.
Thought....wait until musiclady learns you're a woman. Now you've done it. :laugh:
LOL...that was good :)
It would be but I believe she was referring to onc.
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It would be except I believe she was referring to onc.
oh darn..
::completely shattered::
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It would be except I believe she was referring to onc.
Nope. It was Right in Virginia, and I always thought she was a he.
(Now......... if I can indict my own gender........ I understand the easily bruised feelings a little better, and thinking I was insulting her when I wasn't doing anything of the sort. Ask onc. He knows all about how stupid women are. :smokin:).
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Not me. I've still got everyone on loud and clear.
Relax, on this you're golden :laugh:
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Nope. It was Right in Virginia, and I always thought she was a he.
(Now......... if I can indict my own gender........ I understand the easily bruised feelings a little better, and thinking I was insulting her when I wasn't doing anything of the sort. Ask onc. He knows all about how stupid women are. :smokin:).
oh now I feel better.
Don't anybody say anything else that will mess this up for me.
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oh now I feel better.
Don't anybody say anything else that will mess this up for me.
:laugh:
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:laugh:
:laugh: :laugh:
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oh now I feel better.
Don't anybody say anything else that will mess this up for me.
:laugh:
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oh now I feel better.
Don't anybody say anything else that will mess this up for me.
Not so fast. How do we know he/she is not a tranny?
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Nope. It was Right in Virginia, and I always thought she was a he.
(Now......... if I can indict my own gender........ I understand the easily bruised feelings a little better, and thinking I was insulting her when I wasn't doing anything of the sort. Ask onc. He knows all about how stupid women are. :smokin:).
My feeling weren't bruised. Your last reply did come a little too close to crazy town for my comfort....but my feelings are intact.
And women, in the main, are no more stupid than men in the main --- so I've no need to check with ONC (nothing personal).
ML, I stand by my stated opinions. And rest assured that gender had nor has anything to do with them.
Ciao for now. Enjoy your evening.
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Just an observation....that we have very strong women here in the forum.
Smart and tough as nails. :patriot:
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My feeling weren't bruised. Your last reply did come a little too close to crazy town for my comfort....but my feelings are intact.
And women, in the main, are no more stupid than men in the main --- so I've no need to check with ONC (nothing personal).
ML, I stand by my stated opinions. And rest assured that gender had nor has anything to do with them.
Ciao for now. Enjoy your evening.
Nothing crazy about it. Just an observation based on your words. Perhaps you should choose them more carefully if you don't want to be perceived as ultra-sensitive and, well, kinda moody......
And of course, women are not more stupid than men. But onc took a nasty swipe at us last night, so that's why I brought him up. Two irrational hits in 24 hours on this forum is quite unusual.
Especially from someone like you, whom I have never, ever said an unkind word to, nor had a negative thought about until you broadsided me today.
And I will have a good evening. About to watch a DVD with my adoring and adorable husband.
Hope you have a good evening too.
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Just an observation....that we have very strong women here in the forum.
Smart and tough as nails. :patriot:
Strong and articulate women often intimidate men, DC. (And obviously some other women as well).
I want you to know how much I appreciate (most of) the men on this forum who have a deep respect for us.
I don't think you have any idea how much it means to be respected. I love you for that, my friend.
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Strong and articulate women often intimidate men, DC. (And obviously some other women as well).
I want you to know how much I appreciate (most of) the men on this forum who have a deep respect for us.
I don't think you have any idea how much it means to be respected. I love you for that, my friend.
Ahem... Tapping foot...
Just kidding
I love the intellect here. Period. I just hate it when that intellect is used in a toxic way.
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Strong and articulate women often intimidate men, DC. (And obviously some other women as well).
I want you to know how much I appreciate (most of) the men on this forum who have a deep respect for us.
I don't think you have any idea how much it means to be respected. I love you for that, my friend.
HUGS!!
BTW....never had a snickerdoodle, which is a complete mystery to me. Looked up the recipe on Google and the ingredients are splendid! :laugh:
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I make the best in the world, onc. You wanna come too? It will remind you of all the good things about childhood!
That's a nice offer but I would feel like a crumb (get it, snickerdoodle-cookie-crumb) after the "sisterhood" comment. Although it would give me a chance to explain.
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Ahem... Tapping foot...
Just kidding
I love the intellect here. Period. I just hate it when that intellect is used in a toxic way.
We'll be okay, Lando!
I'm determined to set a good example. Like Aligncare! :laugh:
And if everybody else tries too, the contusions will be minor.
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Ahem... Tapping foot...
Just kidding
I love the intellect here. Period. I just hate it when that intellect is used in a toxic way.
Me too........... and there are a whole lot of people around here with a whole lot more intellect and knowledge than I have, and I LOVE reading threads on the Constitution, the economy, and a whole lot of other areas where I just want to learn.
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HUGS!!
BTW....never had a snickerdoodle, which is a complete mystery to me. Looked up the recipe on Google and the ingredients are splendid! :laugh:
Well, you can buy one in a bakery, but I'll tell you right now, it won't be as good as mine!
(A bit extra cream of tartar, and lots of cinnamon do the trick. Mine are world famous! I sent them to both Iraq and Afghanistan. ^-^).
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Me too........... and there are a whole lot of people around here with a whole lot more intellect and knowledge than I have, and I LOVE reading threads on the Constitution, the economy, and a whole lot of other areas where I just want to learn.
That's me, too!
I'm not looking to change other people's minds. I'm looking for people to possibly change mine. :laugh:
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That's a nice offer but I would feel like a crumb (get it, snickerdoodle-cookie-crumb) after the "sisterhood" comment. Although it would give me a chance to explain.
Not a problem, onc. You can have a whole cookie any time! :beer:
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That's me, too!
I'm not looking to change other people's minds. I'm looking for people to possibly change mine. :laugh:
Yep.
And my mind HAS been changed on some topics.
just not trump................... hehe.........
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I'm liking the flow of this thread.
A teacher once told me, as I go through life, try to improve myself, not prove myself.
Just thought I'd throw that in here
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I'm liking the flow of this thread.
A teacher once told me, as I go through life, try to improve myself, not prove myself.
Just thought I'd throw that in here
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Please no personal attacks.
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Please no personal attacks.
Okay...but apply that doctrine universally.
Thanks.
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Please no personal attacks.
Uh....just wake up or something?
That fire's been put out hours ago. :laugh:
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Uh....just wake up or something?
That fire's been put out hours ago. :laugh:
This is in response to my reply to ML's post about my "moodiness".
Apparently, both have been removed.
And that's a good thing.
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This is in response to my reply to ML's post about my "moodiness".
Apparently, both have been removed.
And that's a good thing.
HA! That gently teasing comment was removed after the way you came after me with a personally inscribed brickbat??
Go figure.
No problem, though..... as DC said, this thread gentled down ages ago, and it should have stayed that way.
(But I'm just a little bit sorry that I didn't see your last ad hominem. Must have been a doozy if it had to be removed!)
Put me back on ignore for your own well being.
Kay??
G'nite all!! :seeya:
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:beer:
Somebody threw some rocks into the flow.... :shrug:
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Goodnight, dear. Rest easy knowing you'll not be ignored by me. :kisses2:
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Goodnight, dear. Rest easy knowing you'll not be ignored by me. :kisses2:
I'm very sorry to hear that, 'sweetheart.' **nononono*
I'll be wearing a flak jacket, then, in preparation for further dress downs from you, since with more than a year before the election, I'm quite sure you'll find some other imaginary offense to blindside me with.
Perhaps the ignore feature would be healthier for you. But in case you want to pick a fight again, rest assured that I'll walk away. I refuse to let one angry person ruin this great forum for me.