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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Charlespg on September 01, 2015, 01:56:44 pm
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-refuses-same-sex-marriage-gods-authority/
good for her
and Conservative hackers out their need to start doxing these ACLU lawyers
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Mrs. Davis is performing the age-old act of civil disobedience. It's amusing to see the angry mob now calling for the judge to put her in contempt, jail her, fine her, anything to punish her for refusing to put her name on the document.
Honestly, there has to be a compromise. If she is that uncomfortable, they could agree to sign it with the words "State of Kentucky" or "Rowan County, KY" or something that takes away the very real concern of having her name associated with this. But as a clerk, she has to perform the duties required of her—so eventually just flat-out obstructing the law is going to have to result in punishment or her resignation eventually.
The article duly notes that Davis, as an elected official, can only be removed by impeachment, and because the legislature's not in session, she can't be removed. It really is an ingenious way to approach it. If Kentucky truly wanted to nullify the court, they could simply turn a blind eye to Davis and others who refuse to do so... and there'd be very little they could do about it.
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These two contrary fairies are singling her out because shes a Christian
they could just as easily get a license from somebody else
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http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/01/4014743_rowan-county-clerk-continues-to.html?rh=1
Judge orders Rowan clerk to appear in court Thursday after she again denies marriage licenses
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kentucky-clerk-gay-marriage-fracas-married-4-times-article-1.2345036
Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, who refuses on biblical grounds to give marriage licenses to gay couples, has been married four times; committed adultery: court records
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How about if she was Quaker, and she refused to issue gun permits because of her religious opposition to violence?
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As much as I want to agree with her, I cannot.
She agreed to perform a job in exchange for her pay check.
She either needs to do the job or resign and let the legislators and courts hammer this out.
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Uniformed police officer turned away at Arby's
Sgt. J. Martin wrote in her report that the manager, Angel Mirabal, informed her at the take-out window that the clerk "doesn't want to serve you because you are a police officer."
http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/uniformed-police-officer-turned-away-at-arbys
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kentucky-clerk-gay-marriage-fracas-married-4-times-article-1.2345036
Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, who refuses on biblical grounds to give marriage licenses to gay couples, has been married four times; committed adultery: court records
who cares if she has been married 4 times?
thats not the point
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[quote ]author=EdinVA Sgt. J. Martin wrote in her report that the manager, Angel Mirabal, informed her at the take-out window that the clerk "doesn't want to serve you because you are a police officer."
[/quote] :hijack:
apples and oranges
This is about the lavender mafia forcing Christians
to deny their beliefs
not thug lives matter idiots
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apples and oranges
This is about the lavender mafia forcing Christians
to deny their beliefs
not thug lives matter idiots
No, it is about individuals bringing their personal believes into the workplace in violation of their employment agreements.
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As much as I want to agree with her, I cannot.
She agreed to perform a job in exchange for her pay check.
She either needs to do the job or resign and let the legislators and courts hammer this out.
Agreed.
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Here's an article from one of those trash-talking sites:
Meet Kim Davis, The Woman Denying Same-Sex Couples Marriage Licenses In Kentucky
David Mack
BuzzFeed
September 1, 2015
Upon her election to the role of Rowan County Clerk in November 2014, Kim Davis said she felt "humbled" and "blessed." Speaking to the Morehead News, she made three promises: "I promise to each and every one that I will be the very best working clerk that I can be and will be a good steward of their tax dollars and follow the statutes of this office to the letter."
Davis's willingness, or unwillingness, to follow those statutes are now the subject of intense national focus. She has refused on religious grounds to grant marriage licenses -- to both same-sex or opposite-sex couples -- in the wake of June's historic Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide ...
Signing marriage licenses is one of the main duties for the county clerk. But Davis, a 49-year-old Apostolic Christian, objects to having to put her name on documents that recognize same-sex marriages ...
According to Rowan County records obtained by BuzzFeed News, Davis has been divorced three times. When she married Joe Davis on Aug. 24, 2009, it was her fourth marriage -- and her second to Joe, whom she previously married on the same day 13 years earlier. After her first marriage to Dwain Wallace in 1984, she married Thomas McIntyre Jr. in 2007 in between her marriages to Joe ...
Davis has worked as a clerk in Rowan County for more than 25 years. In May 2014 -- while serving as chief deputy in the clerk's office -- she narrowly won the Democratic nomination for the top job by 23 votes ...
Read the whole thing. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/meet-kim-davis)
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No, it is about individuals bringing their personal believes into the workplace in violation of their employment agreements.
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No these two " fancy boys " could go to any other country clerk ,just like gays could go to a another bakery
but instead they have to target a Christian
if this woman was Muslim she would not have been a
target
I have gone from a mostly live and let live attitude toward gays to having a experiential increasing hatred of q*ueers
because of this crap and I know i'm not alone
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Here's an article from one of those trash-talking sites:
Meet Kim Davis, The Woman Denying Same-Sex Couples Marriage Licenses In Kentucky
David Mack
BuzzFeed
September 1, 2015
Read the whole thing. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/meet-kim-davis)
she narrowly won the Democratic nomination for the top job by 23 votes .
So, it's a Dem standing up for the sanctity of marriage. :whistle:
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BREAKING: [Clerk Kim] Davis held in contempt taken by U.S. Marshals
Dan Griffin @WSAZDanGriffin 2m2 minutes ago Judge says financial fines not enough. #WSAZ
Dan Griffin @WSAZDanGriffin 4m4 minutes ago BREAKING: Davis held in contempt taken by U.S. Marshals. #WSAZ
https://twitter.com/WSAZDanGriffin
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Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis in Custody for Contempt of Court Over Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
Sep 3, 2015, 1:16 PM ET
By ABC NEWS
A Kentucky county clerk, Kim Davis, was taken into custody today after a judge found her in contempt of court for her refusal to issue same-sex marriage licenses.
The judge said she could be released if she complies, adding that fines were not enough.
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Kentucky Constitutional Amendment 1[1] of 2004, is an amendment to the Kentucky Constitution that makes it unconstitutional for the state to recognize or perform same-sex marriages or civil unions. The referendum was approved by 75% of the voters.[2]
The text of the amendment states:
Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.[3]
Contents
1 Results
2 See also
3 References
4 External links
Results
Amendment 1[4]
Choice Votes %
Referendum passed Yes 1,222,125 74.55
No 417,097 25.45
Total votes 1,639,222 100.00
Registered voters and turnout 3,057,741 53.6
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Constitutional_Amendment_1
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Kentucky Constitutional Amendment 1[1] of 2004, is an amendment to the Kentucky Constitution that makes it unconstitutional for the state to recognize or perform same-sex marriages or civil unions. The referendum was approved by 75% of the voters.[2]
The text of the amendment states:
Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized.[3]
Contents
1 Results
2 See also
3 References
4 External links
Results
Amendment 1[4]
Choice Votes %
Referendum passed Yes 1,222,125 74.55
No 417,097 25.45
Total votes 1,639,222 100.00
Registered voters and turnout 3,057,741 53.6
This could get interesting... Which takes precedence, a state constitution or federal law?
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Kentucky Clerk Gets Help From GOP State Senate President
Adam Beam
AP Via ABC News
September 2, 2015
The Republican president of the Kentucky state Senate has asked a federal judge to withhold his ruling ordering a county clerk to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
Republican Senate President Robert Stivers says U.S. District Judge David Bunning needs to give the state legislature time to pass a law that would exempt Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis from having to issue marriage licenses. The state legislature is not in session and won't be until January. Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear has refused to call for a special session, arguing it would waste taxpayer money for an issue that only affects one clerk.
"The Supreme Court ruling has completely obliterated the definition of marriage and the process for obtaining a marriage license in Kentucky," Stivers said in a news release. "The General Assembly will be compelled to amend many sections of Kentucky law, not just for the issuance of marriage licenses, to comply with the recent Supreme Court decision."
More (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/kentucky-clerk-gop-state-senate-president-33492884)
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This could get interesting... Which takes precedence, a state constitution or federal law?
You know the answer.
Kentucky voters could amend their constitution, to deny the vote to women or blacks, but federal law takes precedence.
Having said that, I think locking this woman up is outrageous.
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If only she had said it was her Muslim -not Christian - faith that controlled her actions. She sure as heck wouldn't have been arrested.
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You know the answer.
Kentucky voters could amend their constitution, to deny the vote to women or blacks, but federal law takes precedence.
Having said that, I think locking this woman up is outrageous.
Civil Rights people never had a problem with a night in the pokey.
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Exactly wht law has thei woman broken? Can anyone tell me that?
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Exactly wht law has thei woman broken? Can anyone tell me that?
It's not an explicit law, but a court order she's violating.
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Exactly wht law has thei woman broken? Can anyone tell me that?
Being a Christian it seems.
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It's not an explicit law, but a court order she's violating.
Courts don't make laws! They issue opinions! So if there is no LAW on the books requiring or authorizing her to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple then she has only done her job and followed the law!
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No these two " fancy boys " could go to any other country clerk ,just like gays could go to a another bakery
but instead they have to target a Christian
if this woman was Muslim she would not have been a
target
I have gone from a mostly live and let live attitude toward gays to having a experiential increasing hatred of q*ueers
because of this crap and I know i'm not alone
Every county clerk in the land has to perform the same list of duties as any other clerk.
Your argument is a red herring.
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Courts don't make laws! They issue opinions! So if there is no LAW on the books requiring or authorizing her to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple then she has only done her job and followed the law!
Yes she has done her job. The law in that state still says marriage between man and woman. Then I have read she is a gov employee and she must obey SC ruling because she is a gov employee. Oh she is a Dem by the way.
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Yes she has done her job. The law in that state still says marriage between man and woman. Then I have read she is a gov employee and she must obey SC ruling because she is a gov employee. Oh she is a Dem by the way.
I know she is a Democrat and it makes not one damned bit of difference to me. What I want to know i EXACTLY what law she has violated that would cause her to be thrown in jail.
Seems to me she has sworn an oath to follow the law and was doing exactly that!
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I wonder whether there's a deputy clerk in her office who doesn't object to the silliness that is homosexual marriage who couldn't perform the (bogus) task that she refuses to do.
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I wonder whether there's a deputy clerk in her office who doesn't object to the silliness that is homosexual marriage who couldn't perform the (bogus) task that she refuses to do.
There is and he is doing it. She forbade any of her deputy clerks to issue licenses either, before she got carted off to the pokey.
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Bigun wrote above:
[[ Courts don't make laws! They issue opinions! So if there is no LAW on the books requiring or authorizing her to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple then she has only done her job and followed the law! ]]
Right on, Bigun, I posted the same argument regarding "opinions" vs. "laws" coming out of the judiciary a day or two ago.
I also endorse Mark Levin's proposed constitutional amendment that would grant the states or Congress the power to set aside U.S. Supreme Court opinions (with a 3/4 majority vote).
It's amazing that federal marshalls were sent to take into custody a town clerk for refusing to issue a piece of paper -- at the same time obama is issuing pardons to black criminal drug dealers and does nothing to halt the lawbreaking of millions upon millions of illegal border-crashers. Just amazin' ....!
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Bigun wrote above:
[[ Courts don't make laws! They issue opinions! So if there is no LAW on the books requiring or authorizing her to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple then she has only done her job and followed the law! ]]
Right on, Bigun, I posted the same argument regarding "opinions" vs. "laws" coming out of the judiciary a day or two ago.
I also endorse Mark Levin's proposed constitutional amendment that would grant the states or Congress the power to set aside U.S. Supreme Court opinions (with a 3/4 majority vote).
It's amazing that federal marshalls were sent to take into custody a town clerk for refusing to issue a piece of paper -- at the same time obama is issuing pardons to black criminal drug dealers and does nothing to halt the lawbreaking of millions upon millions of illegal border-crashers. Just amazin' ....!
We already have that ability, it's called a 'crafting an amendment to the Constitution of the United States'.
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There is and he is doing it. She forbade any of her deputy clerks to issue licenses either, before she got carted off to the pokey.
Which is kind of ironic, come to think of it. After all, nothing is stopping the deputy from defying the order of a lady defying another order.
Of course, if he does sign the papers, it renders the whole case moot, and the judge will have to free her. At least until the next same-sex couple walks in the door.