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Title: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:32:27 pm
Jury reaches verdict on 8 counts in criminal trial of Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman
Dan Mangan   | Kevin Breuninger   
Published 4 Mins Ago

Jurors have reached a verdict on eight counts in the trial of President Donald Trump's former campaign chief, Paul Manafort.

In a note to U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis, the jurors said they had not reached a consensus on the 10 remaining counts in the bank fraud and tax crimes trial.

Manafort, 69, faces another federal trial next month in Washington, D.C., which also stems from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

Manafort's defense team called no witnesses at the trial in Alexandria, Va., and introduced just 12 exhibits into evidence.

In contrast, prosecutors called 27 witnesses to testify against Manafort, and submitted more than 350 exhibits.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/paul-manafort-verdict.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/paul-manafort-verdict.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:35:02 pm
DEVELOPING: Judge T.S. Ellis plans to interview each juror individually after deadlock in Paul Manafort trial on 10 out of 18 charges.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:37:53 pm
guilty....filing fake tax returns..5 counts
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:40:41 pm
guilty...failure to file foreign bank accounts and bank fraud..
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:42:19 pm
mistrial on the remaining 10 counts
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:43:23 pm

Jim Acosta
‏Verified account @Acosta
19s20 seconds ago

CNN: Former Trump campaign chairman Manafort guilty of 8 counts - guilty of 5 tax fraud charges, 1 charge of hiding foreign bank accounts, and 2 counts of bank fraud.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: 240B on August 21, 2018, 08:45:05 pm
SHOCKED! Come on. Everybody knew they were going to get him for something.

On the other hand, if he actually did those things...filing fake returns etc...then I guess.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:45:43 pm
jury dismissed....jury asked judge to keep their names confidential
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: XenaLee on August 21, 2018, 08:53:04 pm
Jim Acosta
‏Verified account @Acosta
19s20 seconds ago

CNN: Former Trump campaign chairman Manafort guilty of 8 counts - guilty of 5 tax fraud charges, 1 charge of hiding foreign bank accounts, and 2 counts of bank fraud.

I wonder... if investigated with as much zeal as these Trump associates are being investigated....

would most of the Democrat Congressmen escape the same "guilty verdict" for having offshore bank accounts....?  I guess the difference is.... they didn't get caught and nobody cared enough to go after them.


Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 08:54:12 pm

Chad Pergram
‏Verified account @ChadPergram
14s14 seconds ago

Manafort to be sentenced on August 28th. Faces 80 years in prison. Colleague Peter Doocy rpts Manafort will have a chance to speak at sentencing.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 08:56:00 pm
   He won't be moving out of his digs today.

Quote
“I think the whole Manafort trial is very sad, when you look at what’s going on there. I think it’s a very sad day for our country,” Trump said Friday. He went on to insist that Manafort only briefly worked for him, but said that was long enough to know that Manafort is a top-notch guy. “He worked for me for a very short period of time. But you know what? He happens to be a very good person. And I think it’s very sad what they’ve done to Paul Manafort.”

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/e4/52/bde4522babefa55254c1d2175252ee39.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 08:57:45 pm
   This may make it harder for Trump to find a Campaign Manager for 2020.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: XenaLee on August 21, 2018, 09:00:11 pm
   This may make it harder for Trump to find a Campaign Manager for 2020.

That's kind of the idea behind it.  Go after anyone and everyone that has had anything to do with Trump and teach the lesson.... that being "don't let this happen to you" to anyone else considering working for Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 21, 2018, 09:01:25 pm
Where is all this Russian collusion Stupid Bobby was supposed to be ferreting out? These convictions are a laundry list of bush league bullshit.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 21, 2018, 09:02:26 pm
If the IRS missed or ignored these crimes all these years, they couldn't have been terribly important. 

The Judge should sentence Manafort to time served--with an apology for the solitary confinement.... and a recommendation for an exorcism before the next trial.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: skeeter on August 21, 2018, 09:04:34 pm
Where is all this Russian collusion Stupid Bobby was supposed to be ferreting out? These convictions are a laundry list of bush league bullshit.

Manafort is working on his testimony now - after all he's got 80 years in the klink staring him in the face.

BTW is Ellis the guy who'll determine the sentence?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 09:07:41 pm
    We Distort, You Comply.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 09:08:50 pm
   Trump was scheduled to be on the Oscar winning show Fox & Friends Thursday, wonder if he will cancel?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: skeeter on August 21, 2018, 09:10:54 pm
    What did this have to do with WhiteWater, @Frank Cannon?




Its true Starr expanded the scope of his investigation, but with Tripp's unsolicited delivering of solid evidence of wrongdoing on Clinton's part made it impossible for him to not do so.

Quite a bit different from Mueller's tactics here.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 09:12:56 pm

Steve Herman
‏Verified account @W7VOA
17s17 seconds ago

No sentencing date set for @PaulManafort by judge who gives prosecution until Aug.29 to decide whether to retry on deadlocked charges.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 09:13:21 pm
   My Point @skeeter was that once these Genies (Special Prosecutors) are out the bottle, they tend to run a course of their own.  Sad really.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 21, 2018, 09:14:09 pm
    What did this have to do with WhiteWater, @Frank Cannon?




Did the President have anything to do with this shit that Manafart did a decade ago? Of course not, but that isn't going to stop the simple mind of the Trump hater to try and compare a cum soaked dress to some tax and loan cheating.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: skeeter on August 21, 2018, 09:15:11 pm
   My Point @skeeter was that once these Genies (Special Prosecutors) are out the bottle, they tend to run a course of their own.  Sad really.

Yes they do. Making an unethical one even more of a threat of constitutional proportions.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: 240B on August 21, 2018, 09:16:16 pm
That's kind of the idea behind it.  Go after anyone and everyone that has had anything to do with Trump and teach the lesson.... that being "don't let this happen to you" to anyone else considering working for Trump.

Mad Max said that. She spelled it out. She said to attack everyone, him, his family, his staff, his neighbors, his doctors, his lawyers, anyone he has ever met, legally, physically, and verbally. That's exactly what they are doing. The Judge even indirectly pointed that out during the trial.

Even Dershowitz is feeling the heat and he is not even a Trump supporter. His 'crime' is that he doesn't hate him.

Their fanatic fascism is driven by fear. Washington D.C. is scared to death of Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 09:16:17 pm

Buck Sexton
‏Verified account @BuckSexton
33m33 minutes ago

30 years maximum for one tax fraud count, folks.

30. years.

I know Manafort won't get the max, but three decades in prison for paying insufficient taxes to the federal government is insane.
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Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 09:16:24 pm
   Manafort was/is scum in this TDS inflicted mind of mine.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: XenaLee on August 21, 2018, 09:19:18 pm
Mad Max said that. She spelled it out. She said to attack everyone, him, his family, his staff, his neighbors, his doctors, his lawyers, anyone he has ever met, legally, physically, and verbally. That's exactly what they are doing. The Judge even indirectly pointed that out during the trial.

Even Dershowitz is feeling the heat and he is not even a Trump supporter. His 'crime' is that he doesn't hate him.

Their fanatic fascism is driven by fear. Washington D.C. is scared to death of Trump.

Yep.   And just think.... if or when they regain power (and they will eventually).... they will make us ALL pay for not disliking Trump enough!  They're out of the Fascist Closet and have nothing to lose by letting it all (ugly sight to behold) hang out.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: 240B on August 21, 2018, 09:30:42 pm
Yep.   And just think.... if or when they regain power (and they will eventually).... they will make us ALL pay for not disliking Trump enough!  They're out of the Fascist Closet and have nothing to lose by letting it all (ugly sight to behold) hang out.

Oh yes. The cat is out of the bag now. They know they are untouchable. The Hillary case taught them that they can do anything they want to do with impunity, no matter how blatant, obvious, and absurd it is and simply walk away.

Since they know now that no one is ever going to prosecute a Democrats, if they ever regain power they will go full authoritarian and full socialist. There is no need to even pretend that they care about the constitution or the law. The gloves will be off. Gun confiscation, open borders, abolish ICE, they will simply do it without regard to Congress or anyone or anything. They will simply enact it, and screw everything else.

No more Mr. NiceGuy.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 21, 2018, 09:34:35 pm
If the IRS missed or ignored these crimes all these years, they couldn't have been terribly important. 

The Judge should sentence Manafort to time served--with an apology for the solitary confinement.... and a recommendation for an exorcism before the next trial.

All of this was looked at years ago and no charge was filed.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 09:37:26 pm
Rep. Adam Schiff of California says Manafort’s conviction on eight financial crime charges and former Trump lawyer Cohen’s guilty plea to campaign-finance violations and other charges proves the Trump campaign embraced individuals with a history of dishonest business dealings as well as concerning ties to overseas interests.
https://apnews.com/7e1477cd2f234270a037108cd9b0b1aa/The-Latest:-Dems:-Conviction,-plea-show-probe-not-witch-hunt
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 09:38:26 pm

Zoe Tillman
‏Verified account @ZoeTillman
34m34 minutes ago

The judge told the jurors he planned to keep their names under seal, and asked if any of them wished to have the confidentiality lifted. They shook their heads and said no. And then they left.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: GrouchoTex on August 21, 2018, 09:41:54 pm
Yep.   And just think.... if or when they regain power (and they will eventually).... they will make us ALL pay for not disliking Trump enough!  They're out of the Fascist Closet and have nothing to lose by letting it all (ugly sight to behold) hang out.

Ain't life grand.

Man, oh, Manafort, things could get real ugly.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: XenaLee on August 21, 2018, 09:47:47 pm
Oh yes. The cat is out of the bag now. They know they are untouchable. The Hillary case taught them that they can do anything they want to do with impunity, no matter how blatant, obvious, and absurd it is and simply walk away.

Since they know now that no one is ever going to prosecute a Democrats, if they ever regain power they will go full authoritarian and full socialist. There is no need to even pretend that they care about the constitution or the law. The gloves will be off. Gun confiscation, open borders, abolish ICE, they will simply do it without regard to Congress or anyone or anything. They will simply enact it, and screw everything else.

No more Mr. NiceGuy.

You got it.   I suggest that those that stopped arming up when Trump got elected....resume that preparation... for when Trump is out of office.  And today is not looking good for the GOP's chances now that the taint of corruption has been thrown onto Trump via Cohen and Mannafort.   This will get worse.   The left has nothing to lose.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 09:57:38 pm

Elizabeth Landers
‏Verified account @ElizLanders
16m16 minutes ago

TRUMP to reporters on the tarmac in WV: “Paul Manafort is a good man... it doesn’t involve me but it’s a very sad thing... it had nothing to do with Russian collusion.”
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: GrouchoTex on August 21, 2018, 09:59:14 pm
Elizabeth Landers
‏Verified account @ElizLanders
16m16 minutes ago

TRUMP to reporters on the tarmac in WV: “Paul Manafort is a good man... it doesn’t involve me but it’s a very sad thing... it had nothing to do with Russian collusion.”

Which is a great way to answer, in my opinion.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 21, 2018, 10:01:50 pm
To me, these convictions today prove once again that the Marxist income tax is a slave tax!

They can get anyone they like anytime they like.

It wasn't convenient to get Manafort ten years ago but now it is.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 10:07:48 pm
   It certainly is a screwed up game being played out in DC, him being convicted for hiding the money he made from the Ruskies for helping out the Podesta Group during the obummer Administration. 
   The hell of it is is that most of us knew this guy, along with Stone are reprobates.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 21, 2018, 10:17:10 pm
Trump should pardon him.  Stick it in muellers face.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 21, 2018, 10:27:01 pm
Trump should pardon him.  Stick it in muellers face.

Robert Mueller is every bit as much a part of the Clinton mafia as James Comey ever was!
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 10:34:02 pm
   No doubt in my mind that Trump will pardon Manafort, of course he'll have to wait till the conclusion of his next trial.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 21, 2018, 10:36:25 pm
Okay Who posted a link or img that is setting my malware detector off.   I'm guessing corbe. 


www.top-dress.com (http://www.top-dress.com)
infected url:mal
remember-the-dress......
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 21, 2018, 10:53:16 pm
U.S. Senator Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, warned President Donald Trump on Tuesday over a possible pardon for his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. “Any attempt by the President to pardon Mr. Manafort or interfere in the investigation into his campaign would be a gross abuse of power and require immediate action by Congress,”

Do it Trump pardon him!
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 10:59:09 pm
   Removed the 'O'riginal @The Ghost
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 21, 2018, 11:03:00 pm
   Removed the 'O'riginal @The Ghost

Maybe it wasn't yours.  My anti virus blocked it but  the alarm is going off like crazy when I open this thread.! 
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2018, 11:04:54 pm
   There were 2 people that quoted, sent PM to Mods.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 11:09:30 pm
I am not getting any alarm...is anyone else?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2018, 11:12:11 pm
I removed two more pics of the blue dress just in case that caused it
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 21, 2018, 11:12:27 pm
I am not getting any alarm...is anyone else?

I'm not.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 21, 2018, 11:14:01 pm
I removed two more pics of the blue dress just in case that caused it

It has stopped.  Thanks.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 21, 2018, 11:22:15 pm
I am not getting any alarm...is anyone else?

Nope!
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 21, 2018, 11:54:52 pm
You know, the more I think about all this garbage, the less I think it is directly due to Trump (Only the BEST people), and more because Hillary did not win in order to cover up and bury  all the shit she and Obama had been doing with impunity.

That ANYONE would let the public think there was going to be a swamp-draining, even if it was all bullshit - made the risk of exposure to all the corrupt crap the Clintons and Obama and the Democrats and the Republican Party leadership were engaged in - out in the sunshine.  And the "Deep State" was not going to risk it.

So - like good Marxists do - Projection of what they themselves had been doing upon Trump.  Had it been Cruz - the same garbage would have been attempted.  However, Trump's habit of surrounding himself with scum balls and walking the line of legality himself made easy-pickings for a crew appointed to project onto Trump what they themselves had been doing, and to taint, smear and destroy an elected president, if nothing more than to show that they have the power now to do it.

The more I muse on this, the more I am convinced we have already truly lost the Republic in a velvet coup.   Few to none of us have woken up to that reality yet, but we're beginning to see the signs of the fact that it was accomplished right under our noses.

Nothing good will come from here on out.   

And no, Trump is not going to be able to save himself much less the country as time goes on.  Unless he bows down and becomes a Champion for the Left once the Republicans lose the House.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 21, 2018, 11:57:14 pm
   Trump was scheduled to be on the Oscar winning show Fox & Friends Thursday, wonder if he will cancel?

Why the hell would he cancel?  The President is right at this moment holding a rally in WV to a packed house in support ot the Republican candidate for Senate.

And the crowd loves him.

Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 22, 2018, 12:01:31 am
   Of course you're right, @Right_in_Virginia why cancel when the toughest question is gonna be 'How do you pick out your Ties each morning'?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 12:08:55 am
You know, the more I think about all this garbage, the less I think it is directly due to Trump (Only the BEST people), and more because Hillary did not win in order to cover up and bury  all the shit she and Obama had been doing with impunity.

That ANYONE would let the public think there was going to be a swamp-draining, even if it was all bullshit - made the risk of exposure to all the corrupt crap the Clintons and Obama and the Democrats and the Republican Party leadership were engaged in - out in the sunshine.  And the "Deep State" was not going to risk it.

So - like good Marxists do - Projection of what they themselves had been doing upon Trump.  Had it been Cruz - the same garbage would have been attempted.  However, Trump's habit of surrounding himself with scum balls and walking the line of legality himself made easy-pickings for a crew appointed to project onto Trump what they themselves had been doing, and to taint, smear and destroy an elected president, if nothing more than to show that they have the power now to do it.

The more I muse on this, the more I am convinced we have already truly lost the Republic in a velvet coup.   Few to none of us have woken up to that reality yet, but we're beginning to see the signs of the fact that it was accomplished right under our noses.

Nothing good will come from here on out.   

And no, Trump is not going to be able to save himself much less the country as time goes on.  Unless he bows down and becomes a Champion for the Left once the Republicans lose the House.

That's why Trump had to lay bare the Clinton foundation and all its tentacles within the DOJ and FBI from the start. Had he done that they'd be stuck scrambling trying to stay out of prison without time and the resources to be on an effective offensive.

It is also why someone with so much obvious baggage shouldn't have been elected for the job in the first place. It was a self defeating choice.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 22, 2018, 12:26:38 am
Dems have pulled this crap and have gotten next to nothing, or not even investigated and arrested.

Total miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 01:12:45 am
That's why Trump had to lay bare the Clinton foundation and all its tentacles within the DOJ and FBI from the start. Had he done that they'd be stuck scrambling trying to stay out of prison without time and the resources to be on an effective offensive.

It is also why someone with so much obvious baggage shouldn't have been elected for the job in the first place. It was a self defeating choice.

I still contend Trump was Hildabeast's stalking horse that refused to go down in the 10th Round and let Hillary get the crown.

I think we were all being played and Trump's egotistic narcissism got in the way.

The failsafes had to then be implemented to ensure that what they had been doing for years if not decades could never hurt them - because all of Washington DC was running on it, enabling it or looking the other way to permit it.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 22, 2018, 01:20:30 am
I still contend Trump was Hildabeast's stalking horse that refused to go down in the 10th Round and let Hillary get the crown.

I think we were all being played and Trump's egotistic narcissism got in the way.

The failsafes had to then be implemented to ensure that what they had been doing for years if not decades could never hurt them - because all of Washington DC was running on it, enabling it or looking the other way to permit it.

Says the High Priest of the idiocracy wing of political strategic thinking.  :laugh:



Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 01:25:53 am
Says the High Priest of the idiocracy wing of political strategic thinking.  :laugh:

You're just Trump's female dog in word and deed.   At least I have a nice title of ridicule you have bestowed.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: catfish1957 on August 22, 2018, 01:28:44 am
You're just Trump's female dog in word and deed.   At least I have a nice title of ridicule you have bestowed.
:silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 22, 2018, 01:33:53 am
You're just Trump's female dog in word and deed.   At least I have a nice title of ridicule you have bestowed.

I now understand why Jesus called the Pharisees vipers.  Enjoy this title, too, oh man of God.


Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: catfish1957 on August 22, 2018, 01:34:27 am
Where is all this Russian collusion Stupid Bobby was supposed to be ferreting out? These convictions are a laundry list of bush league bullshit.
guilty of 5 tax fraud charges (fake filings) , 1 charge of hiding foreign bank accounts, and 2 counts of bank fraud.

Bush League huh?  Yeah, that's about what I expected from you.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: catfish1957 on August 22, 2018, 01:37:20 am
Ain't life grand.

Man, oh, Manafort, things could get real ugly.

Yep, what's the bet that Mr. Manfort is getting a bright light on his person about now......
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: GrouchoTex on August 22, 2018, 01:41:03 am
Yep, what's the bet that Mr. Manfort is getting a bright light on his person about now......
... and General Flynn.
Mueller asked for his sentencing hearing be pushed back until September 17th.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 22, 2018, 01:41:29 am
   Seems the President keeps talking about how little time Manafort spent with the Campaign, Is this the 'Coffee Boy' defense, again?   That didn't work for Papadopoulos.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: catfish1957 on August 22, 2018, 01:58:40 am
... and General Flynn.
Mueller asked for his sentencing hearing be pushed back until September 17th.

Crap.  I just read (found out) that Cohen flipped, and implicated Trump on bimbo payouts.....

Not the Donalds day.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: GrouchoTex on August 22, 2018, 02:03:57 am
Crap.  I just read (found out) that Cohen flipped, and implicated Trump on bimbo payouts.....

Not the Donalds day.

No, add that Representatives Duncan Hunter and Chris Collins were indicted today.
They were 2 of the first Congressmen to endorse Trump.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: roamer_1 on August 22, 2018, 02:08:38 am
Yep, what's the bet that Mr. Manfort is getting a bright light on his person about now......

Wait... They have tanning booths in solitary?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: catfish1957 on August 22, 2018, 02:11:44 am
Wait... They have tanning booths in solitary?

Add the fact, that Shooter might be missing a few tee times.

(https://blog.opentable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/shooter-mcgavin.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 02:18:12 am
I now understand why Jesus called the Pharisees vipers.

Yes.  He called things what they were and did not mince words about it, despite the Westernized whitewash.

I do the same.

<NOPE>
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 22, 2018, 02:57:18 am
I'm starting to automatically tune out the phrase "One on of the worst days of the history of the Trump Administration..."  I don't want 6 more years of this.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 22, 2018, 03:04:12 am
Shhhhh!  I think I hear your master whistling for you... he needs you to do that spin trick you do so well.

<NOPE>
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: RoosGirl on August 22, 2018, 03:17:16 am
<NOPE>

Sex?  I thought he was talking about spin, as in putting a positive spin on news that really isn't that good.  I don't think @INVAR is the one with the fixation on kinky sex.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 22, 2018, 03:32:38 am
<NOPE>

I have a fantasy about making love on a $15,000 Ostrich coat.

Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: RoosGirl on August 22, 2018, 03:33:33 am
Guess again @RoosGirl

Okay, you got me.  What does a dog trick have to do with sex?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 04:46:23 am
Says the High Priest of the idiocracy wing of political strategic thinking.  :laugh:

Trump said there was a phone call between Bill and him just before he announced his run.

My guess from the beginning is Bill Clinton talked him into it. Clinton figured that Trump would turn the GOP primary into a circus damaging all the candidates and he was right. What he underestimated was just how much Hillary was disliked even by his own party.

What do you think they talk about @Right_in_Virginia,  grand kids?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: GrouchoTex on August 22, 2018, 04:53:29 am
Trump said there was a phone call between Bill and him just before he announced his run.

My guess from the beginning is Bill Clinton talked him into it. Clinton figured that Trump would turn the GOP primary into a circus damaging all the candidates and he was right. What he underestimated was just how much Hillary was disliked even by his own party.

What do you think they talk about @Right_in_Virginia,  grand kids?

There are photos of the two of them on a golf course not long before he announced, as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 22, 2018, 07:01:42 am
! [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkE0z3MDWr0#]! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkE0z3MDWr0#)[/url]



Who is not going to prison?  Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 22, 2018, 11:40:36 am
Trump said there was a phone call between Bill and him just before he announced his run.

My guess from the beginning is Bill Clinton talked him into it. Clinton figured that Trump would turn the GOP primary into a circus damaging all the candidates and he was right. What he underestimated was just how much Hillary was disliked even by his own party.

What do you think they talk about @Right_in_Virginia,  grand kids? 


Sorry dear.  I don't give a damn about your guesses.  I know their track record.   :tongue2:



Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 02:13:43 pm
That's why Trump had to lay bare the Clinton foundation and all its tentacles within the DOJ and FBI from the start. Had he done that they'd be stuck scrambling trying to stay out of prison without time and the resources to be on an effective offensive.

It is also why someone with so much obvious baggage shouldn't have been elected for the job in the first place. It was a self defeating choice.

@DB

I agree entirely that we could have made a much better choice but we didn't and Trump is now President of the United States. What do you suggest we do?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 03:47:02 pm
@DB

I agree entirely that we could have made a much better choice but we didn't and Trump is now President of the United States. What do you suggest we do?

Nothing we can do, except suffer the idiocies, imbecilities, stupidity and whatever accidental good things such a regime will cause us.


Same as we did under Obama.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: skeeter on August 22, 2018, 03:49:55 pm
@DB

I agree entirely that we could have made a much better choice but we didn't and Trump is now President of the United States. What do you suggest we do?

Let the finger-waggers have their day.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: XenaLee on August 22, 2018, 04:36:01 pm
@DB

I agree entirely that we could have made a much better choice but we didn't and Trump is now President of the United States. What do you suggest we do?

Elect more honest politicians?  (can't hear over the roar of laughter at that one)

No, seriously.   We're faced with the choice between globalist "moral" men like Romney the RINO.... or immoral folks like Trump.   Which type would do less damage to our nation in the long run?  That's the question we all must ask and answer come election day.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 05:14:54 pm
Elect more honest politicians?  (can't hear over the roar of laughter at that one)

No, seriously.   We're faced with the choice between globalist "moral" men like Romney the RINO.... or immoral folks like Trump.   Which type would do less damage to our nation in the long run?  That's the question we all must ask and answer come election day.

We've gone down Rome's path to decline and fall.  We will continue to choose increasingly corrupt and militantly evil people to rule us, the louder and more direct incitements against each 'domestic enemy' will swing us wide from one end of violent ideological extremism to another as we continue to spend ourselves into oblivion.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 22, 2018, 06:45:43 pm
@DB

I agree entirely that we could have made a much better choice but we didn't and Trump is now President of the United States. What do you suggest we do?

I want to hear the answer to that one, @Bigun.  And, I'm betting you don't get even one applicable, practical, useful answer.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: RoosGirl on August 22, 2018, 07:00:22 pm
@DB

I agree entirely that we could have made a much better choice but we didn't and Trump is now President of the United States. What do you suggest we do?

 ***hair on fire
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 22, 2018, 07:14:35 pm
***hair on fire

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 07:22:51 pm
I want to hear the answer to that one, @Bigun.  And, I'm betting you don't get even one applicable, practical, useful answer.

@Bigun @Sanguine

It is pretty simple really. First, have the courage to vote for the best candidate that shares your principles. And don't get weak kneed voting in fear for "the one who can win". When you always give Republicans your vote they can offer anyone they please because they're "the lesser evil" and they know you'll vote for them anyway. You then always end up with the lesser evil, maybe. Never the better candidate.

Nature has a simple but hard rule. You reward something you get more of it. You punish something you get less of it.

Two points there. When you reward Republicans for crappy candidates you get more of them. Until people start to have the courage to stop rewarding bad behavior in fear of the worse behavior you will never rid yourself of it.

When you reward a lying cheating person winning the Presidency, you get more lying and cheating. How he got there matters. To overlook that and now say "he's doing good things" as some sort of justification is the ends justifies the means thinking and corrupts everything it touches. Then it becomes where do you draw the line. A "little" lying and cheating for a good cause always grows to a little more... Like socialism... It's poison. Obviously for many the line is he's our thug trashing our enemies so that's a-okay.

And as far as the "good things" he's doing, they pale compared to the deficit spending and total corruption of the DOJ and FBI he supposedly heads. He sold you lies during the election and now that he can't deliver them - big shock - you excuse him and say he's not king, etc...

Call it what it is.

That will make a difference in time.

Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 07:23:31 pm
I want to hear the answer to that one, @Bigun.  And, I'm betting you don't get even one applicable, practical, useful answer.

How much do you want to bet?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 22, 2018, 07:27:23 pm
@Bigun @Sanguine

It is pretty simple really. First, have the courage to vote for the best candidate that shares your principles. And don't get weak kneed voting in fear for "the one who can win". When you always give Republicans your vote they can offer anyone they please because they're "the lesser evil" and they know you'll vote for them anyway. You then always end up with the lesser evil, maybe. Never the better candidate.

Nature has a simple but hard rule. You reward something you get more of it. You punish something you get less of it.

Two points there. When you reward Republicans for crappy candidates you get more of them. Until people start to have the courage to stop rewarding bad behavior in fear of the worse behavior you will never rid yourself of it.

When you reward a lying cheating person winning the Presidency, you get more lying and cheating. How he got there matters. To overlook that and now say "he's doing good things" as some sort of justification is the ends justifies the means thinking and corrupts everything it touches. Then it becomes where do you draw the line. A "little" lying and cheating for a good cause always grows to a little more... Like socialism... It's poison. Obviously for many the line is he's our thug trashing our enemies so that's a-okay.

And as far as the "good things" he's doing, they pale compared to the deficit spending and total corruption of the DOJ and FBI he supposedly heads. He sold you lies during the election and now that he can't deliver them - big shock - you excuse him and say he's not king, etc...

Call it what it is.

That will make a difference in time.


DB, good answer, thank you.  Not trying to speak for @Bigun here, but the part that frustrates me about this type of discussion is that, all you say is true, and given time and the participation of a significant number of other people, some of what we want could come about.  But, in the here and now, we have Trump, and the only vote and actions we can be certain of is our own.  Trump is what we have to work with, like it or not. 
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 08:15:07 pm

DB, good answer, thank you.  Not trying to speak for @Bigun here, but the part that frustrates me about this type of discussion is that, all you say is true, and given time and the participation of a significant number of other people, some of what we want could come about.  But, in the here and now, we have Trump, and the only vote and actions we can be certain of is our own.  Trump is what we have to work with, like it or not.

The die is set with Trump. That particular wreck has already happened. It will just take some time to fully unfold. How can the GOP credibly push family values again after this President? Or any sort of personal integrity or decorum? The issues with Trump are fundamental to his character. The only thing that can be done, or at least attempted, is contain the damage. The only way to do that is not corrupt yourself and others to excuse what it is. Then hopefully there's some credibility left, some fundamental principles, to support a decent candidate in the future. The last opportunity was squandered and can't be recovered.

My real fear with Trump all along is he would destroy what was left of the conservatives in the GOP and therefore the GOP itself. At least the GOP for a conservative. By the time Trump is done "conservative" is going to be a dirty word even on the right because it has been so debased.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 22, 2018, 08:33:37 pm
DB your pearl clutching is admirable. 
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 08:34:38 pm
DB your pearl clutching is admirable.

The truth is the truth no matter what you want to call it.

By the way, where to exhibit any shock at what Trump is doing or saying? You know, pearl clutching...
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 09:02:12 pm

DB, good answer, thank you.  Not trying to speak for @Bigun here, but the part that frustrates me about this type of discussion is that, all you say is true, and given time and the participation of a significant number of other people, some of what we want could come about.  But, in the here and now, we have Trump, and the only vote and actions we can be certain of is our own.  Trump is what we have to work with, like it or not.

@DB @Sanguine

You spoke for me pretty well except for the fact that I find DB's reply completely non responsive to the question I asked.  I have never yet voted for Trump and refuse to reward anyone who does not do in office what they promised me they would while campaigning yet Donald Trump still IS the president.   What do you suggest I do DB?   

My current US Senators are Ted Cruz and John Cornyn.  I will definately vote for Cruz this year and likely won't do the same for Cornyn in two years.  My current congressman is Kevin Brady, who just happens to be Chairman of the House W&M Committee,  he will not be receiving my vote this fall under any condition because he has patronized and flat out lied to me once to often. 
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 09:13:20 pm
The die is set with Trump. That particular wreck has already happened. It will just take some time to fully unfold. How can the GOP credibly push family values again after this President? Or any sort of personal integrity or decorum? The issues with Trump are fundamental to his character. The only thing that can be done, or at least attempted, is contain the damage. The only way to do that is not corrupt yourself and others to excuse what it is. Then hopefully there's some credibility left, some fundamental principles, to support a decent candidate in the future. The last opportunity was squandered and can't be recovered.

My real fear with Trump all along is he would destroy what was left of the conservatives in the GOP and therefore the GOP itself. At least the GOP for a conservative. By the time Trump is done "conservative" is going to be a dirty word even on the right because it has been so debased.

You have spoken for many of us here, @DB.  Thank you.

No matter who mocks you for sticking to principles and values it is the right thing to do.

For as long as I have been alive, I have been proud to be a Republican; from Ike, through Watergate and Nixon and even though I was always more conservative than our Republican Presidents, I never felt betrayed by them.  I cried when JFK won, and I was only 11 years old.  I watched every moment of the Republican convention where Goldwater was nominated, and proudly campaigned for him in the 9th grade.  I went door to door for Nixon in 68 as President of our college's Young Republican Club.  I despised Jimmy Carter, and felt like the sun came out with Ronald Reagan.  I also despised Bill Clinton and was thrilled when GWBush won (again knowing he was significantly less conservative than I), because I knew he would sanitize the White House.

In his second term, with a Republican Congress, I was in despair at the spending and overreach of government, but even in 08 and 12 I called myself a Republican, because in the trenches, there was only one party which stood for the moral values...."family values" that I consider so very important.  I hated "big government conservatism" (how about that oxymoron?), but didn't get rid of my party label.  I still had decency, dignity and morality to cling to, because the Republicans, though tainted with scandal, removed the dead wood.  The Democrat party was the party that elevated degradation and praised immorality.

That ended in 2016.  All the doubts I had about being a Republican came to a boil and I realized there was absolutely no hope in reviving the party.

I, like you, wonder how dirty a word "conservative" has become, and will become under Trump.  He has already given the left so much legitimate ammunition that I fear we can never recover.

I know I will be mocked for this post, but I just wanted to thank you for continuing to say what a lot of (former) Republicans feel.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 09:18:12 pm

DB, good answer, thank you.  Not trying to speak for @Bigun here, but the part that frustrates me about this type of discussion is that, all you say is true, and given time and the participation of a significant number of other people, some of what we want could come about.  But, in the here and now, we have Trump, and the only vote and actions we can be certain of is our own.  Trump is what we have to work with, like it or not.

Sometimes it's better not to "work with" something that is completely corrupt.

I differ with the statement that "WE" have Trump.  There is no party, nor candidate in 2020 at this point, who represents me in the least.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 09:23:08 pm
There is no party, nor candidate in 2020 at this point, who represents me in the least.

@musiclady

Agree with that entirely.  What do you suggest we do?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: XenaLee on August 22, 2018, 09:27:44 pm
@musiclady

Agree with that entirely.  What do you suggest we do?

Considering what we know about the rabid, radical left and their intentions for this nation......

the only thing we can do at this point.  Hold our nose and vote straight GOP/against the left/Democrats.  I said I would not do that again, but dammit.... I cannot, in good conscience, not at least TRY to keep them from regaining power over us.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 09:32:10 pm
@musiclady

Agree with that entirely.  What do you suggest we do?

Try to rebuild the now defunct Republican party from scratch?  Or build a third party that actually stands for something?

You and I will probably be gone by the time there is any success, but the present two parties are not the answer.

If enough of us got on board to create a Conservative party that is viable, it could work.

But I now know that there aren't enough of us to do anything worth spit.  The Republican Party has made its choice, and that is to abandon every principle it once had (at least that it said it had).  The allure of power has destroyed it, and we just have to live with the consequences.

Right now, I have completely stopped supporting the party that I once was very active in, but still support the candidates that represent at least some of my values..... with my vote, not my money.

In our district, no Democrat has ever won, but in our special election, one came within a hairsbreadth of winning.

That is the Trump effect on this very Conservative district.  Energized Democrats and despair among Republicans.

It will take decades to recover........... if we ever do.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 22, 2018, 09:46:14 pm
   Great posts all @musiclady


   There is hope for a third party in America, IMHO.  Discounting it's eventual demise at the hands of the GOP the Tea Party was a truly 'Grassroots' idea that made a significant impact for 2 election cycles.  It can be done again.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 10:00:54 pm
   Great posts all @musiclady


   There is hope for a third party in America, IMHO.  Discounting it's eventual demise at the hands of the GOP the Tea Party was a truly 'Grassroots' idea that made a significant impact for 2 election cycles.  It can be done again.

And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: skeeter on August 22, 2018, 10:06:20 pm
And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 10:07:45 pm
You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

 :amen: There is absolutely no doubt about it!
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 22, 2018, 10:14:10 pm
    Sure, @Bigun there's that inherent risk in my approach, Time.  The ONLY thing we disagree on is the viability of the GOP to sustain this marketing ploy of Elect us, we'll get something done and, ol yea, we're not demonrats. 
    I will vote for Ted in Nov. but no one else, all the other Republicans on the ballot (in my area) are clueless and they all will win anyway, just as I knew Trump would in the 2016 general.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 22, 2018, 10:14:11 pm
And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

@Bigun, remember I made myself fairly unpopular asking that question for a while after the election.  I don't believe I ever got a satisfactory answer either.  May be that there isn't one.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 10:16:19 pm
...I find DB's reply completely non responsive to the question I asked.  I have never yet voted for Trump and refuse to reward anyone who does not do in office what they promised me they would while campaigning yet Donald Trump still IS the president.   What do you suggest I do DB? 

I would suggest you endure, same as you did when Obama was president.

As we go from bad, to worse to tolerable and then to the eventual unthinkable in terms leaders, all any of us can do is to prepare ourselves and our posterity for the consequences that will come and endure through them.

John Adams' letter to Abigail on July 7th 1775 is one that was prophetic and points to an unvarnished truth few to none will accept.

Enduring to the end with our faith intact is all that we can do now, because we are not a people capable of doing what will be necessary to restore what we have discarded and this culture wants what we used to be fundamentally opposed to.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 10:19:28 pm
You go to war with the weapons you have.

I choose my own weapons, not the fragile, busted, rusted and corrupt garbage handed to me by the very people who will stab you in the back while you sleep in their camp.

Suicide is not waging war.  It's deciding that death is preferable to slavery.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: skeeter on August 22, 2018, 10:23:51 pm
I choose my own weapons, not the fragile, busted, rusted and corrupt garbage handed to me by the very people who will stab you in the back while you sleep in their camp.

Suicide is not waging war.  It's deciding that death is preferable to slavery.

A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 10:31:23 pm
    Sure, @Bigun there's that inherent risk in my approach, Time.  The ONLY thing we disagree on is the viability of the GOP to sustain this marketing ploy of Elect us, we'll get something done and, ol yea, we're not demonrats. 
    I will vote for Ted in Nov. but no one else, all the other Republicans on the ballot (in my area) are clueless and they all will win anyway, just as I knew Trump would in the 2016 general.

@corbe

As long as we continue allowing the beltway bastards to tell us who is or isn't allowed to represent us in Congress there is no hope for us regardless of party labels.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 10:33:26 pm
A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Since, by nature, I have to be doing something I guess I'll bail water.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 10:36:59 pm
A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: aligncare on August 22, 2018, 10:37:49 pm
A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

Best analogy I’ve heard. Sorta brings it home, don’t it?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 10:45:45 pm
A better analogy might be you can either bail water or go down with the ship.

No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 22, 2018, 10:46:13 pm
Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

INVAR you are a little dinghy.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 10:48:06 pm
INVAR you are a little dinghy.

Hell no.  I'm an aircraft carrier in the dinghy department.

But you knew that, so you can stop being generous.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 22, 2018, 10:48:58 pm
Or get off the ship when you learn that the moron crew is opening up portholes and loading hatches to let the ocean rush on in,  long before it sinks and wave to it from your lifeboat.

What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 10:49:25 pm
You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

That "weapon" is going to end up doing more long term damage to your own team than the opposing team you say you want to defeat.

You don't go pouring in more good resources towards a lost cause and call if "fighting". It is just more violent suicide.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: aligncare on August 22, 2018, 10:49:52 pm
No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

What does that even mean? Honestly, I can’t make heads or tails of any logic that would lead one to make that statement.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 22, 2018, 10:50:43 pm
No amount of bailing will save Trump's administration. The better plan is not go down with it.

If it were only the Trump administration ship going down, that wouldn't be much of an issue.  It's a bit bigger than that.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: edpc on August 22, 2018, 10:52:01 pm
All of this was looked at years ago and no charge was filed.


Now, you know why.  Many of these crimes are very complex in nature, tedious to explain and boring as hell for the average juror.  Years ago, they wanted Manafort to go after Yanukovych.  Once he fled, it wasn’t worth the time or expense.  Now, they wanted him for what he may know about the TT meeting or anything else in the campaign.  Ellis knew this months ago and said so.  However, he demanded to see the redacted background work and saw something he felt justified moving forward with the trial.  Perhaps we’ll find out what that entailed in the near future.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 10:52:39 pm
And in the time it takes to get that done, this once great republic becomes just another socialist hell hole on the face of the earth.

Isn't that where we're headed either way?  The Republican party is certainly not stopping us from going there.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 10:53:38 pm
What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

The last 2016 ship sailed. Either we learn from those mistakes and choose a different ship in the future or we don't.

People keep demanding that we "do something" for something that is already done. It can't be undone. Now you have to live with it and try to do better next time - to learn from the mistakes. To keep supporting the indefensible hoping for "some good things" you are only digging the hole deeper for the next opportunity when it comes.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 10:55:43 pm
   Great posts all @musiclady


   There is hope for a third party in America, IMHO.  Discounting it's eventual demise at the hands of the GOP the Tea Party was a truly 'Grassroots' idea that made a significant impact for 2 election cycles.  It can be done again.

Perhaps it can.

But Trump's party is even more despicable than the EGOP that destroyed the Tea Party.

I've been an optimist my entire life, but I don't feel much of it any more.

Perhaps this can be solved, but perhaps not.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 10:58:12 pm
You go to war with the weapons you have.

The left is at war.

The problem is that we now have a CinC whose idea of winning a war is avoiding an STD, and whose choice of weapons is tweeting like a 6 year old.

There's no one out there on "our side" who is willing to fight for us.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: musiclady on August 22, 2018, 10:58:37 pm
The last 2016 ship sailed. Either we learn from those mistakes and choose a different ship in the future or we don't.

People keep demanding that we "do something" for something that is already done. It can't be undone. Now you have to live with it and try to do better next time - to learn from the mistakes. To keep supporting the indefensible hoping for "some good things" you are only digging the hole deeper for the next opportunity when it comes.

Yep.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:03:43 pm
If it were only the Trump administration ship going down, that wouldn't be much of an issue.  It's a bit bigger than that.

That's why it so important to not repeat this mistake. There are real consequences. Trump bragged about buying politicians, doing married women of powerful men among many other things all before the primary. He's immoral and corrupt. He repeatedly lied to "win".

Now people are "shocked" his personal fixer lawyer did crooked stuff, as if it were just him that was the problem and the dirtbag. The lawyer did exactly what Trump paid him to do.

Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 22, 2018, 11:05:27 pm
LOL. Post after post from shut ins and malcontents pining for the strong leadership of Evan McMuffin. Hilarious!

Some of you folks aught to step out of your Section 8 hovels and look around at the real world. No one gives a shit about this DC drama with a bunch of no name hacks getting busted for tax evasion. They do care that the economy is on fire, they have better jobs and money to spend. Trump is doing that. No effing wonder barely any new people show up here. Everyone is discussing shit that is so irrelevant to daily life in America that it may as well be a forum in a foreign language like Portuguese. 
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: aligncare on August 22, 2018, 11:16:29 pm
Middle of August, guaranteed no one’s paying attention to the Manafort verdict.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:17:15 pm
What does that even mean? Honestly, I can’t make heads or tails of any logic that would lead one to make that statement.

What does it mean???

Quit doing the same damn thing expecting a different result. Stop voting for the lesser evil while expecting something other than evil.

I don't really care if our leaders are driving us off the cliff at 85 mph or 35 mph, we're still going over the cliff. We don't have infinite credit and do overs. Our days are numbered if we don't make some real changes. Getting there a little slower isn't the solution to anything, the cliff is in view. It is just asking the bear to eat the other guy first... Neither Trump nor the GOP is doing anything to even actually slow things down. Deficit spending is increasing. Corruption in government is increasing.



Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 22, 2018, 11:18:53 pm
    You Trumpers are having a bad couple of days, I get that, still it's no reason to call us Briefers a bunch of no talent hacks, @Frank Cannon where are your manners?


   PS:  Evan was a cheap shot.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:21:50 pm
LOL. Post after post from shut ins and malcontents pining for the strong leadership of Evan McMuffin. Hilarious!

Some of you folks aught to step out of your Section 8 hovels and look around at the real world. No one gives a shit about this DC drama with a bunch of no name hacks getting busted for tax evasion. They do care that the economy is on fire, they have better jobs and money to spend. Trump is doing that. No effing wonder barely any new people show up here. Everyone is discussing shit that is so irrelevant to daily life in America that it may as well be a forum in a foreign language like Portuguese.

There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:24:38 pm
    You Trumpers are having a bad couple of days, I get that, still it's no reason to call us Briefers a bunch of no talent hacks, @Frank Cannon where are your manners?


   PS:  Evan was a cheap shot.

Just consider the source... It works for him...
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 11:28:39 pm
There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

@DB @Frank Cannon

There is a lot of truth in what Frank said whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 22, 2018, 11:29:00 pm
LOL. Post after post from shut ins and malcontents pining for the strong leadership of Evan McMuffin. Hilarious! 

 88devil
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:32:02 pm
@DB @Frank Cannon

There is a lot of truth in what Frank said whether we like it or not.

Which "truth" is that?

That I'm section 8 housing?

That ignoring the spending along with the rest of America is just fine?

That ignoring the corruption in government with the rest of American is just fine?

Those truths?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: roamer_1 on August 22, 2018, 11:32:04 pm

[...] the EGOP that destroyed the Tea Party.


The rumors of our demise are somewhat premature.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:32:41 pm
88devil

Full of substance as usual... Light but filling eh?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 22, 2018, 11:34:34 pm
There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

You and the Peak Oil Druids can go commiserate in the corner about the end of the world. The rest of the country is going to get up and keep going like we always do and enjoy the prosperity when it happens.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 11:34:50 pm
What ship is there to get onto other than the U.S. ship?

That is a decision each individual with the means will have to make for themselves.

All most of us will be able to do is to endure, wait for the collapse and raise your head up high because our Redemption draws near.

There is no peaceable political solution to where we have arrived, and math is math.   The amounts added up socially, culturally and economically are going to be the sum regardless of what lies we tell ourselves to give the vain feeling of hope.

We were always only ever one generation away from throwing everything we once were, out the window to embrace ideas and behaviors that are corrosively anathema to the existence of the liberty that was established for us.

Now the rot is into the bones and the cancer into the brain of the body politick.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 22, 2018, 11:37:17 pm
Which "truth" is that?

That I'm section 8 housing?

That ignoring the spending along with the rest of America is just fine?

That ignoring the corruption in government with the rest of American is just fine?

Those truths?

@DB

Try this part
Quote
No one gives a shit about this DC drama with a bunch of no name hacks getting busted for tax evasion. They do care that the economy is on fire, they have better jobs and money to spend. Trump is doing that.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: edpc on August 22, 2018, 11:38:59 pm
You and the Peak Oil Druids can go commiserate in the corner about the end of the world. The rest of the country is going to get up and keep going like we always do and enjoy the prosperity when it happens.


That sometimes happens despite who is in The Oval and not because of it.  There’s no better example of that than the 90s.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: roamer_1 on August 22, 2018, 11:39:16 pm
What does it mean???

Quit doing the same damn thing expecting a different result. Stop voting for the lesser evil while expecting something other than evil.

I don't really care if our leaders are driving us off the cliff at 85 mph or 35 mph, we're still going over the cliff. We don't have infinite credit and do overs. Our days are numbered if we don't make some real changes. Getting there a little slower isn't the solution to anything, the cliff is in view. It is just asking the bear to eat the other guy first... Neither Trump nor the GOP is doing anything to even actually slow things down. Deficit spending is increasing. Corruption in government is increasing.

EXACTLY right.

And as long as people believe the insane idea that their vote is ANYTHING other than an endorsement, this will continue unbound.

You get what you vote *for*.
Voting against anything is a lie.
If you don't approve of something or someone DON'T vote for it.

The only way to stop this cycle of 'lesser evil' is to stop supporting it.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 22, 2018, 11:40:15 pm
There ya go... "It won't happen to me"... "Can't happen here"... The government credit card is endless... The faith in the US dollar is endless... Government corruption only affects other people... How comforting...

That is just another way of saying 'Trump can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose a single supporter'.

Which confirms again for me - that there really is no difference in the devotion of supporters of the last Heinous in the White House with the devotion Trump enjoys among his.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 22, 2018, 11:45:18 pm

That sometimes happens despite who is in The Oval and not because of it.  There’s no better example of that than the 90s.

I made a lot of coin in the 90's. Making a lot a coin again. It's rainin' dolla dolla dolla mo fo.....

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/uFtywzELtkFzi/200.gif)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 22, 2018, 11:46:39 pm
You and the Peak Oil Druids can go commiserate in the corner about the end of the world. The rest of the country is going to get up and keep going like we always do and enjoy the prosperity when it happens.

I was never a peak oil person. Ever. Gonna have to find something else.

Sticking your head in the sand regarding printing endless money gets you half of South America.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 22, 2018, 11:51:57 pm
Full of substance as usual... Light but filling eh?

Actually, Frank's post was quite substantive ..... and I appreciate it.   

(http://beattieroad.net/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: edpc on August 23, 2018, 12:23:14 am
I made a lot of coin in the 90's. Making a lot a coin again. It's rainin' dolla dolla dolla mo fo....


So did I, but I don’t have Clinton to thank for it.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Wingnut on August 23, 2018, 12:31:45 am

So did I, but I don’t have Clinton to thank for it.

Ross Perot. 
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 23, 2018, 12:43:11 am
Ross Perot.

Harold Stassen.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: DB on August 23, 2018, 01:46:47 am
Actually, Frank's post was quite substantive ..... and I appreciate it.   

(http://beattieroad.net/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg)

So just come out and own it then. Trillion dollar deficit spending via printing and borrowing money is not a serious problem. Government corruption isn't a serious problem. That your team knows most of the American people don't pay much attention to it and therefore more of the same is the way to go. Lower taxes, up the spending and enjoy the party.

Because that's the "substance" of Frank's post.

At least that clearly defines the lines between us.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: INVAR on August 23, 2018, 01:59:16 am
So just come out and own it then. Trillion dollar deficit spending via printing and borrowing money is not a serious problem. Government corruption isn't a serious problem. That your team knows most of the American people don't pay much attention to it and therefore more of the same is the way to go. Lower taxes, up the spending and enjoy the party.

Because that's the "substance" of Frank's post.

At least that clearly defines the lines between us.

Irrevocably,  so it seems.

So, we have the Democrat and Leftists that hate us; the Liberal Republican Establishment that hates us; and the Trumplicans who hate us in equal portions because we continue to espouse the ideas we stand for despite the demands that we should shut up about them.

Ah well.  Let's spend trillions more on the credit card and pretend it's 1999!

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Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: corbe on August 23, 2018, 01:09:54 pm
Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from convicting on all counts

Peter Doocy
 
9 hrs ago

 
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team was one holdout juror away from convicting Paul Manafort on all 18 counts of bank and tax fraud, juror Paula Duncan told Fox News in an exclusive interview Wednesday.

 â€œIt was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said. She added that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team of prosecutors often seemed bored, apparently catnapping during parts of the trial.

The identities of the jurors have been closely held, kept under seal by Judge T.S. Ellis III at Tuesday's conclusion of the high-profile trial.

<..snip..>

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-convicting-on-all-counts/ar-BBMjmjh?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-convicting-on-all-counts/ar-BBMjmjh?ocid=ientp)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: catfish1957 on August 23, 2018, 01:12:19 pm
Manafort juror reveals lone holdout prevented Mueller team from convicting on all counts



Very interesting.  Wonder if this would have any bearing on Mueller's forward plans.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2018, 01:27:58 pm
Very interesting.  Wonder if this would have any bearing on Mueller's forward plans.

If I were him I would do my best to make sure any further trials occur outside the DC bubble.
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: mystery-ak on August 23, 2018, 01:42:16 pm
Manafort juror: One 'holdout' prevented jury from convicting Manafort on all 18 counts
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts)
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 24, 2018, 05:49:33 am
Manafort juror: One 'holdout' prevented jury from convicting Manafort on all 18 counts
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/403197-manafort-juror-one-holdout-prevented-ruling-on-all-18-counts)

Was the hold out verdict WHITE?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Sanguine on August 24, 2018, 01:22:55 pm
Was the hold out verdict WHITE?

You mean was the juror white?  Like the lady who was speaking out?
Title: Re: BREAKING>> VERDICT FOR MANAFORT ON 8 CHARGES NO DECISION ON 10 COUNTS
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on August 24, 2018, 02:53:16 pm
You mean was the juror white?  Like the lady who was speaking out?

Yes I meant "juror" not "verdict."  Thank you for correcting me, and the question is rhetorical.