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Politics/Government / Re: 'We're going to lose': Steve Bannon warns withholding Epstein files would doom GOP

« Last post by MeganC on Today at 03:03:07 pm »

Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on Today at 02:58:37 pm

So, we're not 100% sure there is a list, right? FBI has confirmed it? I think were there some ground breaking names in there, it would have found it's way out?

TBH, I had to google the question on this list. If they had a list and refused to release it, that is, of course outrageous. But if there truly is no real list, then isn't this just a bunch of wasted energy? Don't you think the list would be out there already?

Even if there is no specific client list compiled by Epstein then we can certainly ask Ghislane Maxwell to compile a list. It is also not unfathomable that the FBI and NSA can parse the signals intelligence to identify the people who traveled to Epstein's mansion in NYC, the island, or the New Mexico estate.

At least for the island in question there is NO WAY the NSA doesn't know who went there.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/jeffrey-epstein-island-cellphone-data-b2520619.html

Politics/Government / Re: Trump DOJ Reportedly Concludes Epstein Had No Client List, Killed Himself

« Last post by Weird Tolkienish Figure on Today at 03:01:54 pm »

Here's the thing though, there really is no way to prove that the list doesn't exist. This is all just speculation by the screaming mimis.

World News / Re: Ukraine 6

« Last post by Free Vulcan on Today at 03:01:04 pm »

Quote from: MeganC on July 13, 2025, 11:18:07 am

Reports from Russia today say that Russia started the day in "blackout mode".

Airline flights in central Russia are grounded, mobile communications are shut down, Russian GPS is shut down, and checkpoints are showing up on main roads.

Russian trolls on TOS have amped up their usual venom but notably many of the familiar troll names are MIA. Perhaps impacted by the regional internet shut downs.

Euronews had an article saying that Putin may have survived an attempted coup sometime in the past ten days. Approximately forty business, political, and military leaders died from various causes and the deaths appear to have commonalities such as suicide and window cancer.

Drone attacks were reported in Kazan.

No Russian drones attacked Ukraine last night.

A Russian 'Grisha' warship has gone missing somewhere east of Kamchatka and Japan has offered to assist in search and rescue operations with no response from Russia. The ship is assumed lost.

Multiple channels on YouTube are reporting that the Russian aircraft carrier Kuznetzov will not be returning to service. The ship has been in overhaul status since 2017 with little to no progress reported, observed, or even claimed. The consensus is that the ship will be abandoned and perhaps even scrapped.

Russia no longer has an aircraft carrier. Not even a joke of an aircraft carrier.

I assume I was being referred to in this post, though not specifically, or are you going to deflect?

You don't determine anything, I have been here 15 years and you don't sit at the left hand of Jesus.

That said I have yet to determine if you are bought and paid for by the Z govt.

Politics/Government / Re: Trump DOJ Reportedly Concludes Epstein Had No Client List, Killed Himself

« Last post by Wingnut on Today at 03:00:32 pm »

They found Epstein's list.

Mr Kotter
Vinnie Barbarino
Arnold Horshack
Freddie 'Boom Boom' Washington
Rosalie 'Hotsy' Totsy
Mr Woodman
Epstein's Mother.

Politics/Government / Re: 'We're going to lose': Steve Bannon warns withholding Epstein files would doom GOP

« Last post by Weird Tolkienish Figure on Today at 02:58:37 pm »

Quote from: roamer_1 on Today at 01:56:50 pm

REALLY? If this is as advertised, the azzoles get a pass? Who cares? REALLY?

This is precisely because of allowed abortion. It has so lessened the value of life that we as a nation meet children caught up in a major sex ring with apathy. DAMN. If we will not protect the most innocent among us... Then this union has damned itself to perdition.

So, we're not 100% sure there is a list, right? FBI has confirmed it? I think were there some ground breaking names in there, it would have found it's way out?

TBH, I had to google the question on this list. If they had a list and refused to release it, that is, of course outrageous. But if there truly is no real list, then isn't this just a bunch of wasted energy? Don't you think the list would be out there already?

Editorial/Opinion/Blogs / Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Case Is Far Bigger Than Jeffrey Epstein

« Last post by jafo2010 on Today at 02:57:29 pm »

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Right_in_Virginia...

@jafo2010 This isn't about Trump.

Consider that the protection is of American and Israeli intelligence assets and at the "request" of the CIA and PM Netanyahu? (It's difficult to believe Americans, including Evangelicals would be pleased with proof that Americans and Israelis coordinated to run a honeypot targeting US politicians and businessmen for tighter control of the power class of the United States with the lure of underaged girls.)

Remember, Epstein was legally protected until the intelligence community -- after more than 25 years --- squeezed out all it could and Epstein became an unnecessary liability:

When the CIA uses under age girls to entrap corrupt businessmen and politicians, they are as guilty as the cretins that abuse these young girls. And I think there is enough evidence out there that the CIA at a minimum should be ended. They have become too powerful, they answer to no one today. Why? Because they probably have dirt on every turd in Congress, which is the majority of the members of Congress.

What the CIA did was criminal, and they should answer for it. Two wrongs never in my lifetime equal a right of any kind. This is the kind of tactics done by people that are amoral. And they are not doing it to remove a corrupt politician, they are doing it to control a corrupt politician. So you can stuff your mindset!

Corruption is corruption, and Trump is protecting corrupt people. That act makes him corrupt. Trump is no different than the politicians of Chicago that protected Al Capone. No damn difference!!!!!!

And many of those young girls are conveniently dead at a young age. And you think Trump is doing right? Pull your head out of your ***!! To refresh your memory, many in this country cried about terrorists being water boarded. Frankly, I saw no problem doing whatever was necessary to get information from a terrorist, who should have been condemned to death in my view. Prompt death too. But you are fine using innocent young girls to entrap corrupt politicians. Clearly, you are as amoral as the CIA.

World News / Re: Ukraine 6

« Last post by MeganC on Today at 02:52:38 pm »

Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on Today at 02:49:06 pm

Now we have Chi-coms playing wargames with Belarus ("anti-terrorist" exercise) and Serbia, both friends of Russia.

Russia-Serbia relations have fractured as of recent days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXi6NkKZMw4

Russia has accused its traditional Slavic ally Serbia of betraying their relationship by supplying over $900 million worth of missiles and arms to Ukraine. According to the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), at least seven major Serbian defense companies have covertly sent hundreds of thousands of rockets and millions of small arms cartridges to Ukraine, often using fake end-user certificates and routing shipments through NATO intermediaries such as the Czech Republic, Poland, and Bulgaria. Russia described these transfers as a "stab in the back," but Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić has denied these allegations.

Politics/Government / Re: Trump DOJ Reportedly Concludes Epstein Had No Client List, Killed Himself

« Last post by bigheadfred on Today at 02:50:44 pm »

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BREAKING: Congress is reportedly attempting to prevent Ghislaine Maxwell from disclosing Jeffrey Epstein’s “client list,” according to Daily Mail.

World News / Re: Ukraine 6

« Last post by MeganC on Today at 02:49:41 pm »

Quote from: Free Vulcan on Today at 02:41:39 pm

You mean like calling me a Russia troll?

Hypocrisy is an ugly look.

Sorry princess, but we're still not going to send American troops to Ukraine for your Cap'n Queeg quest, but it's not going to happen no badly your paymaster Z wants it to.

I specifically called you a Concern Troll.

Whether or not you are Russian I have yet to determine. Probably not based upon your grammar and vocabulary. But Russians like the very accomplished Vladimir Vladimirovich Pozner are amazingly astute with vernacular and idiomatic American English so I won't rule it out.

After all you're the one who brought up the notion that I accused you of being a Russian troll. Guilty conscience, maybe?

Or just another Straw Man fallacy?

For now I am content to let this go as yet another reflexive use of the Straw Man fallacy.

Politics/Government / Re: 'We're going to lose': Steve Bannon warns withholding Epstein files would doom GOP

« Last post by Smokin Joe on Today at 02:49:34 pm »

IF there are specific reasons for the purpose of withholding Grand Jury information, victim protection, avoiding slandering those who did nothing wrong, then why not cite those reasons for the non disclosure of the evidence rather than come out and say there is no list, nothing to see here, move along?

It isn't that Republicans aren't reasonable people or that they cannot understand there might be reasons for withholding information pending prosecution, and that releasing it would make a fair trial impossible.

But to dangle this carrot in front of the mule that pulled your wagon for so long and then to act as if it doesn't exist is not only an exceedingly poor read of the room, it calls into question credibility on a serious scale. It is relatively rare that the Right cedes rationality to emotion, unlike the Left, but this is perhaps THE universal hot-button issue, that of those who would exploit minors for sexual purposes.

@DCPatriot We have a legal standard called 'age of consent'. There's a reason, simply because we do not consider our offspring mature enough to be fully fledged adults as a rule, before then. While there are a few exceptional youngsters out there capable of making informed and mature decisions, we impose that age limitation across the board.

Were the 15-16-17 year olds willing? Perhaps, but it does not matter, because they were legally not considered capable of giving consent to engage in sexual activities with adults. There are (or so I have been told) girls out there as young as 12 who have 'relations', which is a product of sexualization at an early age and perhaps the amount of estrogenic substances in diets and elsewhere. BUT they are not old enough to consent until they reach an accepted age for adulthood.

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