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Briefing Room Polls (Guests Welcome!) => The Briefingroom Polls => Topic started by: Machiavelli on June 03, 2017, 11:35:21 pm
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Should Kathy Griffin be imprisoned for posting her offensive Donald Trump decapitated head depiction?
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I know of at least two men who were arrested for hanging Hussein Obama in effigy.
She should be arrested, if for nothing else just to settle old scores.
Whether she's imprisoned or not is a matter of due process.
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I know of at least two men who were arrested for hanging Hussein Obama in effigy.
She should be arrested, if for nothing else just to settle old scores.
Whether she's imprisoned or not is a matter of due process.
@Old Warrior in Exile
I've never liked this vile person, but seriously, are you kidding me? We don't do that in this country.
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Results as of now...
Yes - 1 (20%)
No - 4 (80%)
We'll see how the voting goes, but I can assure you that the left would happily imprison someone for any expression of free speech if they disagree with it.
Griffin is getting her due for her hatred and stupidity. I have no problem if SS or other officials question her, but I see no reason why she should be imprisoned. What would be the crime for which she would be imprisoned?
Updated:
Yes - 1 (12.5%)
No - 7 (87.5%)
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Absolutely not. The consequences she's already suffered are much more meaningful and locking her up just for the image itself will turn her into a martyr.
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@Old Warrior in Exile
I've never liked this vile person, but seriously, are you kidding me? We don't do that in this country.
Ahem.
(https://conservativebase.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/09/anti-Muslim-filmmaker-1.jpg)
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Should Kathy Griffin be imprisoned for posting her offensive Donald Trump decapitated head depiction?
Nope. Let her earn an honest living somewhere and consider what could have been...
"I coulda been asomebody...."
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Ahem.
(https://conservativebase.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/09/anti-Muslim-filmmaker-1.jpg)
@Old Warrior in Exile
Background please.
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I know of at least two men who were arrested for hanging Hussein Obama in effigy.
She should be arrested, if for nothing else just to settle old scores.
Whether she's imprisoned or not is a matter of due process.
Then there are two men who should have been able to sue for violation of their civil rights. Hanging in effigy goes back to King George III and farther.
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@Old Warrior in Exile
Background please.
That's the poor fellow they threw in jail for supposedly making the video that was "responsible" for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi.
The man makes a really good point!
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Nope. Let her earn an honest living somewhere and consider what could have been...
"I coulda been asomebody...."
I believe France would welcome her. Macron could resettle her.
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Shirley, you jest!!!!!
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That's the poor fellow they threw in jail for supposedly making the video that was "responsible" for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi.
The man makes a really good point!
@Bigun or anyone else
Link please.
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@Bigun or anyone else
Link please.
First one that came up. There are plenty more.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/12/blamed-for-benghazi-filmmaker-jailed-after-attack-now-lives-in-poverty-fear.html
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/03/benghazi-youtube-filmmaker-lives-quiet-life-in-l-a-homeless-shelter/
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That's the poor fellow they threw in jail for supposedly making the video that was "responsible" for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi.
The man makes a really good point!
How does he make a good point? We on the right were angry about that man's imprisonment. Does our commitment to the rule of law change according to which side is receiving the heat? If that's so, we are as unprincipled as liberals.
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How does he make a good point? We on the right were angry about that man's imprisonment. Does our commitment to the rule of law change according to which side is receiving the heat? If that's so, we are as unprincipled as liberals.
He was responding to the assertion that "we don't do that here".
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How does he make a good point? We on the right were angry about that man's imprisonment. Does our commitment to the rule of law change according to which side is receiving the heat? If that's so, we are as unprincipled as liberals.
Threatening the President of the United States is a class E felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871.[46][47] The offense is punishable by up to 5 years in prison,[46] a $250,000 maximum fine,[48] a $100 special assessment,[49] and 3 years of supervised release.[50] Internet restrictions such as a prohibition on access to email have been imposed on offenders who made their threats by computer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_President_of_the_United_States
And by the by - it was said that we don't make politically motivated arrests in this country,
but. oh hell yes we do and have been doing so for around 200 hundred years.
I'm all for the rule of law, but there's nothing that says we can't feel good about
throwing a lefty in jail, now is there?
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Of course not..
It's hard for me to even conceive that there are Americans on both the left and the right that believe this would be ok.... :shrug:
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Of course not..
It's hard for me to even conceive that there are Americans on both the left and the right that believe this would be ok.... :shrug:
Last night I saw a post suggesting genocide against Muslims is OK as long as we leave a few million of them alive. Apparently its not really genocide if you leave some alive. :shrug:
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Last night I saw a post suggesting genocide against Muslims is OK as long as we leave a few million of them alive. Apparently its not really genocide if you leave some alive. :shrug:
Wow, was that here?
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Wow, was that here?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,264823.msg1344965.html#msg1344965
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I think it should hit here where it is now hitting her, her pocket book.
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The last thing we need is for this Bee-otch to become some kind of political 'martyr'.
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Rather see these people make asses of themselves in public and destroy their careers than be jailed and turned into Mumia Abu Jamal.
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I think she's being punished enough without jail. My question though is with what crime would she be charged?
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I think she's being punished enough without jail. My question though is with what crime would she be charged?
I dunno, we'll just make up something as we go, just like the Eightball and the 'Crats were so fond of doing.
I favor a punishment of defenestration - from the Burj Khalifa after injection with Ketamine, PCP and pure crystal meth. Then run some high speed cams at the ground so we can see the little vermin impact in super-duper slo-mo.
Pay-per-view and other sales could go to charity. Selah!
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I think she's being punished enough without jail. My question though is with what crime would she be charged?
Encouraging and inciting violence (jihadist violence) against the Commander In Chief, for one.
What she did is the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded venue. And yes, there are laws against that kind of outrageous behavior..... and malicious intent is an oft-used legal term.
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And by the by - it was said that we don't make politically motivated arrests in this country,
but. oh hell yes we do and have been doing so for around 200 hundred years.
I'm all for the rule of law, but there's nothing that says we can't feel good about
throwing a lefty in jail, now is there?
Exactly!
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Ahem.
(https://conservativebase.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/09/anti-Muslim-filmmaker-1.jpg)
Is that the guy that made the infamous Benghazi video? They sure as hell locked him up fast enough... even though nobody in Benghazi had even SEEN the video.
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Encouraging and inciting violence (jihadist violence) against the Commander In Chief, for one.
What she did is the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded venue. And yes, there are laws against that kind of outrageous behavior..... and malicious intent is an oft-used legal term.
Absolutely not. She did nothing of the sort.
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Absolutely not. She did nothing of the sort.
Absolutely is a strong term. sieur! Did the little vermin do something that would be encouraging to ISIS? Most people would say "absolutely she did". The moral equivalent would be to someone in an allied nation during WWII publicly displaying a photograph of some Allied leader being gassed, burned alive or machine-gunned in a ditch.
Since we are not in a declared war, treason for giving comfort and aid to the enemy would be a very challenging prosecution. If it were easy to get a conviction for that alone, half of the 'Crats in government would be in prison for their actions during Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom.
That being said, being unutterably stupid and pointlessly offensive is not per se illegal.
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Absolutely not. She did nothing of the sort.
Then....why did the Secret Service pay her a visit?
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Then....why did the Secret Service pay her a visit?
SOP. They are documenting the contact so that if there is a recurrence they will have recourse. Some of that is CYA as well for the SS. Intent is 9/10ths of the law. The SS is vested with the task of separating real, sincere threats from simple venting/vituperation.
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Then....why did the Secret Service pay her a visit?
Probably to quietly tell her her arse was over the line and to knock that crap off. They may not have been so nice about it, either. It's their job to take anything which can be construed as a threat seriously.
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That's the poor fellow they threw in jail for supposedly making the video that was "responsible" for the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi.
The man makes a really good point!
@Bigun @Old Warrior in Exile
He wasn't jailed for a video being illegal. He was put back into prison for violating his parole or probation (I can't recall which). He was out after serving part of his sentence from bank fraud, using identity theft...names and Social Security numbers from other people, including children. He was picked up for using an alias and the Internet, both in violation of his conditions.
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@Bigun @Old Warrior in Exile
He wasn't jailed for a video being illegal. He was put back into prison for violating his parole or probation (I can't recall which). He was out after serving part of his sentence from bank fraud, using identity theft...names and Social Security numbers from other people, including children. He was picked up for using an alias and the Internet, both in violation of his conditions.
Yet of all the thousands of others with similar violations/charges, only he was singled out for a late-night no-knock, Elian Gonzales-style TAC-squad assault and imposition of the maximum sentencing. As an added bonus, no less than a presidential candidate made him an international celebrity with any muzz homicidal lunatic by trying to make him the fall guy in her own political cover-up.
'Sounds to me like the guy got righteously f-ed up and that trying to spin it any other way is species of prevarication. He's a creep but even he did not deserve all of that.
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Simple answer- no.
Obviously the Secret Service should do their due diligence to determine if it was an actionable threat; but a political statement, even gruesome, in itself is not only not a crime, but is protected. It is up to the people (aka us) to decide if we want it and 'punish' her through impacting the product she sells (ie, don't go to her shows, don't buy her sponsored products, etc). That's how a free society works. One is free to use their voice and others are free to give their opinion of it without government repercussions.
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Simple answer- no.
Obviously the Secret Service should do their due diligence to determine if it was an actionable threat; but a political statement, even gruesome, in itself is not only not a crime, but is protected. It is up to the people (aka us) to decide if we want it and 'punish' her through impacting the product she sells (ie, don't go to her shows, don't buy her sponsored products, etc). That's how a free society works. One is free to use their voice and others are free to give their opinion of it without government repercussions.
Sadly we give them far more attention than they would normally get.
As far as I'm concerned she should be getting as much attention as the photographer who actually came up with the idea. I'm sure he's not happy that Griffin is getting all the attention.
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Yet of all the thousands of others with similar violations/charges, only he was singled out for a late-night no-knock, Elian Gonzales-style TAC-squad assault and imposition of the maximum sentencing. As an added bonus, no less than a presidential candidate made him an international celebrity with any muzz homicidal lunatic by trying to make him the fall guy in her own political cover-up.
'Sounds to me like the guy got righteously f-ed up and that trying to spin it any other way is species of prevarication. He's a creep but even he did not deserve all of that.
Agreed. But it would be disingenuous to imply that the video, per se, was why he was locked up.
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Agreed. But it would be disingenuous to imply that the video, per se, was why he was locked up.
Only to say that if Hitlary hadn't needed a scapegoat for her F-up... anyone else in his same situation would not have been bum rushed and perpwalked live on CNN for political cover.
So lets just leave it at that and get back on predicting the possibility of Griffin looking thu bars. :)
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Then....why did the Secret Service pay her a visit?
To see if she was up to anything else. Obviously. And just as obviously, they didn't find anything.
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To see if she was up to anything else. Obviously. And just as obviously, they didn't find anything.
Sure, that was one reason. They also needed to make an example of her in the sense of sending a message to anyone who would emulate her behavior, that such expressions have consequences in the real world - to fight against the assumption of the grossly ignorant, that verbal, video or written expressions are NOT behaviors/actions which can carry criminal consequences.
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Yes - 5 (14.3%)
No - 30 (85.7%)
I'm proud of 85.7% of this board. It's safe to say that the numbers would have been reversed if this question had been asked of liberals concerning an idiotic act by a conservative. Heck, with their herd mentality, they might have voted 100% for imprisonment.
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We are enlightened mouth breathers round here. :beer:
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We are enlightened mouth breathers round here. :beer:
Its that damb code go-ink around. Stuffy nose, watery eyes...
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No, merely ridiculed mercilessly 24/7
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Sadly we give them far more attention than they would normally get.
As far as I'm concerned she should be getting as much attention as the photographer who actually came up with the idea. I'm sure he's not happy that Griffin is getting all the attention.
Conservative media exists purely to get senior's blood pressure up these days. Judging from the reaction of people posting here, it seems to be working wonderfully.
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Ahem.
(https://conservativebase.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2016/09/anti-Muslim-filmmaker-1.jpg)
Tit for tat isn't justice.
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Tit for tat isn't justice.
Nope. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Absolutely not. The consequences she's already suffered are much more meaningful and locking her up just for the image itself will turn her into a martyr.
Agreed. Let her dangle following her conviction in the court of public opinion.
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Nope. Two wrongs don't make a right.
It just allows the democrats to dictate our morality and behavior.
I just wish people could apply it to other situations before uttering "But Obama" or "But Clinton".
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It just allows the democrats to dictate our morality and behavior.
I just wish people could apply it to other situations before uttering "But Obama" or "But Clinton".
I'm an equal opportunity sort. If they can do the crime, they can do the time, I don't care who they are.
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Then....why did the Secret Service pay her a visit?
Mate of mine wrote a very obviously satirical article about kidnapping the president's daughter (one memorable line was "who knew she could swim like a dolphin?") back in 2008.
He got a visit from the Secret Service. The site that he works for got a visit from the Secret Service. The article doesn't exist in any form anywhere on the internet any more.
The Secret Service will visit anyone who makes what they consider to be a public threat, no matter how outlandish and stupid.
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Mate of mine wrote a very obviously satirical article about kidnapping the president's daughter (one memorable line was "who knew she could swim like a dolphin?") back in 2008.
He got a visit from the Secret Service. The site that he works for got a visit from the Secret Service. The article doesn't exist in any form anywhere on the internet any more.
The Secret Service will visit anyone who makes what they consider to be a public threat, no matter how outlandish and stupid.
No gray areas. Just don't go there, and you'll be fine. Which makes sense, in a way, as it keeps them from chasing red herrings all over and leaves the investigations for those who are really serious about their intent.
When I was a grad student in Grand Forks, ND, a couple of drunk undergrads decided to go check out a missile silo and see what their tax money was being spent on (I doubt they'd paid a thousand dollars in tax money in their lives, unless you counted liquor, tobacco, and fuel taxes, but that's neither here nor there).
Needless to say, they didn't make it to the perimeter fence before the security QRT swooped in by helo and took those boys off for a very unpleasant weekend of answering questions.
When they got back to campus, they told of their bad weekend, and the AF was safe from idiots for another two or three years...enough time for those to graduate and some other bunch to try.
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As an advocate for free expression, I also vote no
I'm curious if Griffin was one of those who expressed dismay regarding our lack of civility in politics when Obama was president?
The left believes in criminalizing dissent. Conservatives shouldn't
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No.