He's clearly part of the Deep State...when was he elected?
@Once-Ler
Um wow...I think you pegged this one about 180degrees out of phase. Sasse was elected in 2015. Do a YouTube search for “Ben Sasse Kavanaugh hearing†and see if that strikes you as a deep stater. Pretty much the only “conservatives†who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.
Sasse didn't qualify that tweet much as to why, other than the exodus from the party started with Bush. Which didn't stop The HIll from morphing it into what they wanted it to be, and adding pseudo-Republicans like Comey, Schmidt, and Boehner.
That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me. Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing. It's even been posted on my Facebook page. It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.
But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party.
I tweeted back, thanking him for the speech, but asking him shouldn't he be more pissed at McConnell and the turncoats for not getting anything done?
If he doesn't like Trump's demeanor, to each his own I guess, but if we're focused on results, the problem lies in the very body he serves in.
McConnell has redeemed himself a tiny bit lately.
True, gotta give him props for the judges.
He's clearly part of the Deep State...
That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me. Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing. It's even been posted on my Facebook page. It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.
But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party.
Who cares? You wait on every word from Trump as do all of his fan club.
That tweet was a mistake and took a bit of the Sasse luster off for me. Ben made a huge impression with that mini-speech at the hearing. It's even been posted on my Facebook page. It had me thinking of a future President Sasse and maybe a few other people as well.
But he will be throwing away his future completely if he says another word about leaving the Republican Party.
You should get an award for that post.
Thank you, I will take it but it wasn't my best!
Ben needs to shut his Twitter mouth even more than Trump does.
It's one thing for petulant TBR posters to deride the Republican Party.
It's quite another for a Republican Senator to do so.
GOP senator says he 'regularly' considers leaving Republican Party
By Morgan Gstalter - 09/08/18 10:24 AM EDT
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) acknowledged on Twitter Saturday morning that he “regularly†considers leaving the Republican Party.
McConnell has redeemed himself a tiny bit lately.
Are you high?
@Emjay
How exactly did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"? Please be specific.
(And for the record, nothing makes the Republican Party look worse than seeing Republican politicians reneg on their promises once elected. Sasse has remained true to his.)
@Emjay
He hanged himself?
COOL! I hadn't heard.
as I said upthread:
“Pretty much the only “conservatives†who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.â€
And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....
I tweeted back, thanking him for the speech, but asking him shouldn't he be more pissed at McConnell and the turncoats for not getting anything done?
If he doesn't like Trump's demeanor, to each his own I guess, but if we're focused on results, the problem lies in the very body he serves in.
as I said upthread:
“Pretty much the only “conservatives†who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.â€
And the usual suspects are chiming in, proving my point exactly....
Are you high?@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point. I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.
Without going back and reading the exact wording, . .
I believe he replied to a tweet asking if he ever thought about changing parties and he said he did.
I believe that carries at least a whiff of derision for the Republican Party and it was a huge mistake.
The reason I am so upset about this is that I like Sasse a lot and I think he has a future in the leadership of the country.
But it is childish and thoughtless for him to throw it away in a silly tweet.
Ted Cruz is probably equally disgusted with some of the Republicans but he would never do that.
Ben is young, good-looking and incredibly smart. I hate to see him throw it away on some pie-in-the-sky notion of some perfect party out there somewhere.
He has to work within the party and he won't get anywhere by making an enemy of his own party.
There's your first mistake.
I didn't ask you what he replied to. I asked you what he said. Specifically, how did Ben's tweet "deride the Republican Party"?
So now it's minimized to "at least a whiff of derision"? And all this was done without actually reading what he tweeted?
By the time a viable party with a chance of winning could splinter off of the GOP, even Sasse will be too old to run.
His only chance for a political future will be to stick with and try to improve the Republican Party. We have a small but growing number of really smart Senators who can accomplish this, especially if we can add to their ranks and get rid of the deadwood. Lee, Cruz, Sasse ... to name a few.
@Hoodat @Axeslinger @Chosen Daughter
I was actually being sarcastic to make a point. I think Sen Sasse is fully awesome and he could be the future of the party that splinters off the GOP.
I hope he takes you to nirvana...The band... not the plain of existenceI just hope I can shower less after saying I still have conservative opinions.
Just to be clear "Lee, Cruz, Sasse" are the "really smart Senators" not the "deadwood?" Agreed. wink777
I just hope I can shower less after saying I still have conservative opinions.
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore. But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding
Fathers.
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters. It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.
(http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/constitution-party.jpg)
Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.
Sasse wasn't hinting that he was attracted to the democrat party. He was expressing dissatisfaction with the Republican Party and hinting (or saying) that he'd considered changing parties.
I was disappointed, just as I am disappointed when semi-sane people like @corbe dream about a Constitution Party.
Any attempt at all to create a third party right now would just weaken the Republican Party and leave the door wide open for democrats. With the democrat party as filled with a mix of crazy and crazier, it would lead to complete disaster.
The best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot. This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.
A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.
I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans. We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court. I am thrilled with Kavanaugh. He did not put a foot wrong. Could Trump have nominated two better people? Don't see how.
Thanks @austingirl for bringing a little sanity back to this discussion.QuoteThe best chance a third party ever had or ever will have was Dallas Billionaire H. Ross Perot. This guy managed to attract a LOT of people and all he succeeded in doing was getting Clinton elected.
Emjay
Not true. He got a YUGE government contract for his company to digitize ALL the SS records,and IIRC,it was signed in the WH within a week of Bubba being sworn in. Which led to a YUGE increase in the stock value of his company,allowing him to take home a YUGE profit when he pretty much immediately sold it.
Ross,the weasel,Perot. He hated the Bush Crime Family almost as much as I do,but it took profits to get him to commit what amounted to treason by being paid to overthrow the election.
Are you on Twitter as Free Vulcan?
It might be more of a case of not knowing what Republican party is anymore. But I assure you that Sasse would not be going left, but toward the original intent of the government set up by the Founding Fathers.
Emjay
Not true. He got a YUGE government contract for his company to digitize ALL the SS records,and IIRC,it was signed in the WH within a week of Bubba being sworn in. Which led to a YUGE increase in the stock value of his company,allowing him to take home a YUGE profit when he pretty much immediately sold it.
Ross,the weasel,Perot. He hated the Bush Crime Family almost as much as I do,but it took profits to get him to commit what amounted to treason by being paid to overthrow the election.
A lot of people got hysterical at me on this thread because I was upset with Sasse even though I made it clear that I like Sasse very much and think he is one of the great (white) hopes for the party.
I do not want him to drift over into Never Never Land because of annoyance with Republicans. We're on a pretty good roll right now even with Trump and should soon have two really good new Justices in the court. I am thrilled with Kavanaugh. He did not put a foot wrong. Could Trump have nominated two better people? Don't see how.
Pete, that's crazytalk. You're saying that Perot threw the election because Clinton promised him a big government contract?
Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters. It's a low mileage vehicle with a full frame and we can drop a 454 in it.
(http://hill-kleerup.org/blog/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/constitution-party.jpg)
That is ridiculous. I posted yesterday on the hearings thread how impressed I was with Sasse.
And I have repeatedly stated that the only reason I am upset by his tweet is that I do like him and don't want him to throw his political future away.
Do you have any sensible response?
Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
Amen!!! The problem with Sasse?..............There isn't any. The problem is with the Trump administration smearing good Americans who have taken oaths to serve. This Senator knows his job. He understands the Constitution and the separate powers of government. He is a good man that loves his country and his family.
The fan club has "picked" on Ben Sasse but I am certain that he is better than the majority of Trumps Administration which is falling apart.
You describe both the Democrat and the Republican parties here, the latter having just handed Planned Parenthood a check for half a billion dollars of the taxpayers' money while refusing to fund a wall.@Hoodat
There is no Republican party anymore. It is a huge experiment in reality show.
@Hoodat
Smackdown against Trump and the GOP?!? You must love ISIS and M13. Go back to DU. Hillary lost, get over it. blah blah blah. We don't like that. You know the rest you traitorous thinker.
Sasse looks pretty decent to me. Has Trump said anything about Sasse?
As a matter of curiosity: Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?
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Sasse looks pretty decent to me. Has Trump said anything about Sasse?Let's start with the ones in prison, then the ones under investigation, then the ones who resigned in disgrace, then the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, and that leaves Nikki. I like Nikki.
As a matter of curiosity: Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?
Sasse looks pretty decent to me. Has Trump said anything about Sasse?
As a matter of curiosity: Who do you dislike in the Trump administration at this time?
Let's start with the ones in prison, then the ones under investigation, then the ones who resigned in disgrace, then the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, and that leaves Nikki. I like Nikki.
Linda McMahon has been ok as Administrator of the Small Business Administration too.
That's a Trick Question, isn't it, @the_doc ?
@Chosen Daughter
The operative phrase was: in the Trump Administration at this time.
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.
@the_doc and @corbe
Considering that Trump doesn't even know who to like in his own administration.
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and the administration list will yet be reduced again once they find op-ed author.
You should definitely purge him from your party then.
The operative phrase was: in the Trump Administration at this time.
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Sasse is a NeverTrumper.
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.
@Emjay
Well now...isn’t it illuminating that you assumed I was referring to you? Eminently sensible, I’d say.
NeverTrumpers tend to purge themselves. I have no problem with Sasse being in the GOP. But I do
think he is stupid to want to see Hillary as POTUS. No serious conservative would want to see that.
In the real world you have to make hard choices. Thankfully there were enough of us to save the
country from Hillary. You can thank us later.
Nope! Not that entertaining.
Sasse is a NeverTrumper.
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
@Emjay
Hmmmm....I notice you didn’t bother to answer the very polite question I asked you upthread...I wonder why that would be?!?
Whoa, I never heard that Sasse wanted to see HRC as POTUS.That's because because @the_doc is using a Trumpian technique described by President Trump in his competently written and grammatically correct book Art of the Deal as "truthful hyperbole."
NeverTrumpers tend to purge themselves. I have no problem with Sasse being in the GOP. But I do
think he is stupid to want to see Hillary as POTUS. No serious conservative would want to see that.
In the real world you have to make hard choices. Thankfully there were enough of us to save the
country from Hillary. You can thank us later.
Don't be childish @Axeslinger Are you saying you were NOT referring to me?@Emjay
@jpsb
Oh look!!! Another one proving my point!
Y’all are so utterly predictable.
I don't think so @jpsb People over on TOS cannot stand him because he wasn't for Trump during the primaries. But I don't think he's an NTer now. I could be wrong but I think he respects the job Trump is doing even though Trump's personality may grate on him.
It is entirely possible for a sane person to realize that Trump is doing a decent job as President and support him in that role even while being somewhat offended by some of his personal traits.
@Emjay
Finally!!! Thank you for finally seeing the light for what 99.9% of the NTs on this site have been saying for 2+ years. I will assume you will encourage your AT buddies to cease their Perpetual derision towards us.
Nope just telling the truth
I don't think so @jpsb People over on TOS cannot stand him because he wasn't for Trump during the primaries. But I don't think he's an NTer now. I could be wrong but I think he respects the job Trump is doing even though Trump's personality may grate on him.
It is entirely possible for a sane person to realize that Trump is doing a decent job as President and support him in that role even while being somewhat offended by some of his personal traits.
The last intelligent post on this thread was a couple of pages ago before the NTers woke up from their hangovers. I won't be posting on this particular thread until Mesaclone or Maj Bill Martin gets on it.@Emjay
Whoa, I never heard that Sasse wanted to see HRC as POTUS.
Nope just telling the truth
He stated that if Trump won the party's nomination, then he would vote neither for him nor for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, but would probably "look for some third candidate—a conservative option, a Constitutionalist".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sasse
You can thank us later.
I effectively helped Zero.Why would I listen to an Obama lover? J/K It's OK America survived, and it will survive Trump too. Perhaps even thrive when he is impeached.
One of two people was going to be POTUS. Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. Any conservative that
did not vote R was helping Hillary. Any liberal that did not vote D was helping Trump. Since one of
them was going to get elected. Only in la la land was there a viable 3rd option. Understand that I
have thrown my vote away before too. I just could not bring myself to vote McCain in 2008 so I
went third party. Immigration is primary issue to me and McCain meant amnesty so I just could
not pull the lever for him. I effectively helped Zero.
Wow. Someone unwilling to sacrifice his Conservative convictions. Thanks for posting. I like Sasse even more after reading that.
I don't like people willing to send this country into a Marxist hell whole just so they can say they were
pure and stood by there principle when that means the country gets ruined. Screw them they are
cowards, afraid to make the hard choices when the going get tough.
@jpsb
Hahahahaha the hypocrisy is rich with you...you bash people for doing the EXACT same thing you did in the election before?!?
Thank you for showing all of us that everything you say is merely self-serving and is free to be ignored!
A lot of the folks in his administration are bureaucratic holdovers. (Some of his early appointments were disasters, of course, like McMaster--who was reporting to Soros, of all things.)
Still, what has Trump said about Sasse?
I guess we shall infer that the ONLY thing in your fevered brain that qualifies as “serious conservative†is supporting trump?
So you hate yourself for doing the same thing the election before. Have you sought help for your self-loathing?
@Axeslinger
Just as liberals have arrogated the meaning of the word 'gay' to mean 'homosexual', these Trump sycophants have done the same thing with the word 'Conservative' to mean 'anything Trump does or says'.
When Trump was applauding the Kelo court decision - something so far left that Bernie Sanders couldn't get on board with - the Trump sycophants were applauding his 'conservative' creds. When Trump was championing touchback amnesty during the campaign, his followers were praising his 'conservative' position. When Trump hired on Paul Manafort, the man responsible for defeating Reagan in 1976, the Trumpsters praised him for cementing his 'conservative' base. And when Trump reached to the throne of the swamp to name Reince Priebus as his Chief oif Staff, the Trump lemmings praised him for the brilliance of this 'conservative' coup.
I ain't buying into this nonstop BS. Conservatism to me is an ideal - not a personality. When Trump takes a Conservative position, I will praise him for it. But I refuse to praise something as 'Conservative' simply because Trump is the one doing it.
One more time John McCain was a progressive liberal and a warmonger no way in hell I could vote
for a warmongering progressive liberal. I did that twice with W Bush. Never Again.
One more time John McCain was a progressive liberal and a warmonger no way in hell I could vote
for a warmongering progressive liberal. I did that twice with W Bush. Never Again.
Immigration is primary issue to me and McCain meant amnesty so I just could
not pull the lever for him.
That's hilarious! And you criticize others for doing the same? This is the same reason I couldn't vote for Trump. He isn't a Conservative. He is a New York liberal. Actually, he is Workers Party.
Yet in 2016, you voted for the guy who supported touchback amnesty, while I voted for the guy who said all illegals should be deported and never let back in. So which of those two positions is the 'Conservative' one?
Happily Trump is proving you wrong and me right. Hopefully in 2020 you will have come to your senses.
I'm not completely convinced that the op-ed author was "in the Trump administration." Even then, not likely an important official.
Don't get me wrong. I don't like Trump. But I don't hate him. I think he is trying hard at his job, even if he is a bull in a china shop--like some many folks on TBR would be if they were POTUS.
That touch back amnesty is BS and you know it.
Are you sure? By 2020 who knows what Trump will be.
Self-described
Trump speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in 2015.
Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[27]
In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats [...] But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[28] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[27] .......................
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump)
I don't like people willing to send this country into a Marxist hell whole just so they can say they were
pure and stood by there principle when that means the country gets ruined. Screw them they are
cowards, afraid to make the hard choices when the going get tough.
Really? Check out what Trump said:
Trump: I’d ‘Expedite’ Legal Immigration Process for ‘Good’ Illegals After Getting Them Out (https://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/27/trump-id-expedite-legal-immigration-process-for-good-illegals-after-getting-them-out/)
Trump: Deport illegals, but expedite the return of “the good ones†for legal status (https://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/30/trump-deport-illegals-but-expedite-the-return-of-the-good-ones-for-legal-status/)
And for the record, Cruz did not support amnesty nor TPP. But then you already knew that.
The country is lost without those principles.
The EASY way is voting for the lesser evil, with a return to principle things always kicked down the road somewhere.
The coward is the one who doesn't stand upon his beliefs.
And you voted for the guy that supported amnesty for illegals and TPP. That touch back amnesty is
BS and you know it.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/putting-congress-in-charge-on-trade-1429659409)
Living in your Binary World for a second here @jpsb, A President Cruz would have done all that and more.If Cruz could not beat Trump in the republican primaries he did not stand a chance against Hillary
Without all the turnover and Drama. /JS
Cruz voted against the bill. The purpose of his amendment was to alienate others to vote against it. It is beyond dishonest to spin this any other way.
Cruz opposed the bill. Cruz worked his ass off to see it defeated. Cruz employed tactics that exposed the hypocrisy of those supporting it. It was the Conservative thing to do. And yet you bash him for it while still voting for a man who expressly stated his belief in support of touchback amnesty - something that Ted Cruz NEVER does in that video.
And here we are over two years later, yet you still can't come to terms with the truth.
If Cruz could not beat Trump in the republican primaries he did not stand a chance against Hillary
in the general. Cruz in trouble in the very red state of Texas and he's going to beat Hillary? In your
dreams.
I don't like killing people, it is against my principles but when the nation went to war I enlisted.
So he was lying in the video I posted above?
And he was lying went he wrote an op ed in support of TPP?
Yet in 2016, you voted for the guy who supported touchback amnesty, while I voted for the guy who said all illegals should be deported and never let back in. So which of those two positions is the 'Conservative' one?I'm not sure you see the huge distinction between McCain's "Build The Damn Wall," and the far more plausible and inspiring statement from stable genius Trump "Mexico will pay for it."
Here is Rand Paul is he a liar too?
See, that's an odd thing. If you are indeed against killing people, then you should have stood upon that principle and been a conscientious objector. If you believe that as truth, then your convictions are remarkably facile.
The country is lost without those principles.
The EASY way is voting for the lesser evil, with a return to principle things always kicked down the road somewhere.
It's called maturing. It's called evolving. For love of country!
Liar? He makes a subjective statement that is not true. But that is not the same as saying something he knows in advance is not true, just as you have done.
Paul says that Cruz wanted the bill to pass. Yet Cruz voted 'No' on the bill. I have a hard time reconciling a 'No' vote as indicating he wanted the bill to pass. But that's just me. In your world, you obviously see a 'No' vote as the equivalent of telling INS to take the next ten years off. Likewise, you see Trump saying that he would expedite the return of millions of illegals into this country and granting them legal status as the equivalent of building a wall. But that's just you.
@roamer_1 Do you think McCain got returned to the US Senate term after term because conservative voters in AZ, who failed to oust McCain in the primaries, pinched their noses and voted for the lesser evil?
And when he dropped the thumb on repealing Obamacare...do you think they resented themselves?
Don't be dense, he wanted the bill to pass if his amendment (no pathway to citizenship) was included in the bill.
@DCPatriot
No. It is weak and beggarly. If something is TRUE, then follow truth.
There is nothing to be gained in supporting a lie.
Sounds like you're virtue-signaling there. :shrug:
@DCPatriot
How I HATE that term. It leaves no room for the idea that there are people that walk the walk.
And it is a piss-poor excuse for not standing upon what you believe to be true.
@roamer_1
In the example to which you replied...you suggested a lie, if even to himself, that he TRULY didn't believe in killing people, yet enlisted.
I hate the term too. But if it looks like a horse... :laugh:
It's called maturing. It's called evolving. For love of country!
@roamer_1
In the example to which you replied...you suggested a lie, if even to himself, that he TRULY didn't believe in killing people, yet enlisted.
I hate the term too. But if it looks like a horse... :laugh:
See, that's an odd thing. If you are indeed against killing people, then you should have stood upon that principle and been a conscientious objector. If you believe that as truth, then your convictions are remarkably facile.
So you believe that conscientious objectors should not enlist in order to serve Our Country?
That is exactly the same stupid thing Leftist tell us about how we need to view the Constitution.
So once again, you people prove there is little difference between yourselves and the rabid Left. Just the difference in whom you follow as your political messiahs.
@DCPatriot
A principle is a 'first thing'. a thing that is self-evidently true, and always true.
If one is under the conviction that killing people is wrong, always wrong, then joining the military would not be standing upon truth, which is rather, supporting a lie - Living a lie.
Either he was lying to himself, or he was too timid to stand upon the truth, as he described it, or as he knew it at the time. There can be no other answers.
Whether his conviction was right or wrong is not the point. That he was not willing to stand upon that conviction is the point.
Any time one yields to the lie, for whatever reason, one diminishes the truth.
How many people in your family currently don't believe in killing people? Virtually everybody that 'normal', that's who. Or, did I overshoot a little here?
I love your writing. I love your intellect. But, in the end, all we've got is bullsh*t here.
Following your reasoning here, everyone serving in the military today believes in killing people.
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roamer DCPatriot
@DCPatriot
That's certainly not true.
The commandment is not to murder
I am perfectly fine with killing folks that need killing.
Well, Mr. 'Anal'....perhaps @jpsb felt exactly the same way at the time?
Especially, if they killed fellow Americans or are in the process thereof. He didn't say what event resulted in his enlistment.
I think you're just jerking my chain here. :laugh:
Yes, or to be able to enlist in a fashion that does not impede their conscience. Anything else is coercive.So people should remain in a Safe Zone? You think people don't need, or have, any intestinal fortitude to stand up to coercion?
There are other ways to serve.
So people should remain in a Safe Zone? You think people don't need, or have, any intestinal fortitude to stand up to coercion?
@the_doc
OK, sorry, got it...
Take out the ones in prison, and the ones who resigned in disgrace...that leaves then the ones under investigation, and the ones currently under a cloud of scandal, then the ones who said they wanted to eliminate their departments before they started getting a paycheck, so
So Nikki and Linda.
@Elderberry@roamer_1
Lest we wander off too far, let me first enumerate that 'chickenshit' is not a foundational principle. And I do understand that many who are chickenshit will lean upon 'conscientious objector' to stay out of the way of it...
But with that said, YES, one who has a principled stand against killing, should not be made to do so. Many people of faith are so ascribed. If they can be made useful in the supply chain then that should be enough. It is a team sport, after all. He's saving American lives if he is making their Humvees run well.
My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist.
@roamer_1
If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.
My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.
@Elderberry
I don't believe I said they should not enlist - But OK, let's go with that... To be more specific, An Amish man would not enlist, because their reading of the Word dispenses with all killing of hoomin beans, to include supporting roles. I respect their conviction, and their way. I do not think lesser of them as Americans or as a people for that conviction, founded in principle as they see it.
@roamer_1I don't believe anyone here is telling you such a thing...it's very easy to misinterpret what is typed on the internet vs. what one actually means...case in point...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacksaw_Ridge
If one has a principled stand against killing, how is anyone going to force him to kill? Its not going to happen. I had read many years ago that there are around 9 soldiers to support every 1 soldier on the front lines. Therefore there are many jobs for conscientious objectors to fill in the military without personally killing.
My objection is with you claiming that conscientious objectors should not enlist. That's a hell of a thing to say, in my mind.
Did I not understand when You answered Yes to my question?
Social media users quickly responded, arguing that Trump has pushed lifelong Republicans from the party.
“He is accelerating the trend, obviously,†Sasse said to the claim. “But it didn’t start two years ago.
Go ahead, Mr. Sasse, be my guest.
Leave. Please leave.
But... leave your Senate seat vacant, so a real Senator on our side can fill it.
You ain't on our side, and you're simply keeping it warm.
Alright - But then stop calling 'your side' Conservative.
We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
..It makes its own sauce...
... Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...
I don't know...sounds like you are singing to us about the trials and tribulations of garage-band husbandry.
Because y'all have left your principles behind for the sake of winning. That's alright, knock yourself out - But don't call it Conservatism, because it ain't.
Okay them. We take you now, to a garage, in Canoga Park...
.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...
.. Called the republican party... It looks better than liberalism, but smells exactly the same...
The fallacy of voting for lesser of evils. Trump was a poker hand. His voting and political history is all over the place. I don't regret not voting for him. Especially now seeing what chaos comes from hiring someone who's only knowledge is to run a business by whatever corrupt deals you can make. Gives you an administration mess. Its like an HBO White House series.
As predicted.Well just stick to church-oriented social activities then...
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.
As predicted.
I won't be voting Republican any time soon.
Well just stick to church-oriented social activities then...
For me not the lesser of two evils for sure. If there isn't a good candidate to vote for I won't vote.
Like courting mega-donors for Right-to-Life causes? Maybe I will again... but only if the money is flowing to the Constitution party. I flatly refuse to work for the party of broken promises anymore... Not another damn dime.
Hey Sasse, Come to our party and bring your Friends Cruz, Lee, Jordan, Meadows and the other like minded Congress Critters.
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It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.
The Trump sycophants are unhappy with Ben Sasse because he doesn't always vote with Trump. For example, when Congress voted on a budget that was over $1 trillion in the red, Trump said 'yes', but Sasse voted 'no'. Or when Congress tried to pass that 2-year budget bill Trump wanted which contained a stimulus package larger than the one Obama got in 2009, Sasse voted against that too. Or when Congress was too chickensh!t to do the right thing with the budget and instead passed a 2-week resolution so that they could take their Christmas vacations, Sasse said 'no'. Or when Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling last year, again Sasse voted 'no'.
And for all this, each and every one a Conservative position, Sasse gets trashed by the Trump sycophants because he didn't vote for liberal positions the President wanted.
Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.
It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.
It will be interesting to see what the Constitution Party brings for 2020.
It is strong up in here... Northern ID, even more so...
Yeah,to maybe 17 people,tops.
Yep. Trump is only a symptom of where's the party has gone. The conservatives will either be forced to fold on their principles or be purged. McConnell has been on this path for years with little resistance.
It will be interesting to see what Cruz does. He's going to be forced to chose between his principles or the party. He won't be allowed to have both. I don't know what he's going to do.
Ben Sasse may not have to leave the party. If the Republicans lose big in the midterms, the party might just fall apart on its own. Trump can stop pretending and join the Democrats, along with the rest of the liberal Republicans. Sasse and the few remaining conservatives in congress can either join the Constitution Party or form their own conservative party.
In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter. He stressed the importance of building the wall NOW. He believes in it both for its actual effectiveness in stopping the flow of illegals into the country and as a symbolic gesture of fulfilling campaign promises; i.e. the will of the people.
What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter? Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.
How can a sane person wish for that?
There is not the faintest hope of any third party gaining power in 4, 8 or more years.
The dissolution or failure of Republicans would only lead to democrat rule. In other words, socialist, crazy people rule.
@roamer_1
Check out 'Lawman' 1971 Burt Lancaster/Robert Ryan
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067333/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067333/)
That's you. Marshall Jared Maddox :laugh:
I don't understand the question. I watched Ted Cruz. He thinks that turnout is the major factor because the majority of people are for what the Republicans stand for as opposed to the democrats. He came out for pushing the building of the wall. What is your question?
In fact, Cruz came out more strongly than I've ever seen him as a Trump supporter.
Sasse is a squish. I stand with @Frank Cannon on him. Which is with a boot on his scrawny neck.
You said:
What did you mean by "as a Trump supporter"? Because Cruz has been strong on immigration long before Trump came on the scene.
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.
How can a sane person wish for that?
I neither said nor implied that Cruz was not strong on immigration. He's very strong, particularly since he's a Texan and Texas is greatly impacted.
What I said was he came out strong as a Trump supporter. He emphasized that he is working with Trump and conferring with him weekly and sometimes daily. I already knew he was helping Trump with Trump's agenda but he said it more strongly today.
I'm not sure what your problem is @Hoodat
A sane person couldn't, but I am never astonished at the foolishness of our NTers.
What does any of that have to do with being a Trump supporter? Cruz was saying that long before Trump decided to be a Republican.
I'm astonished that you seem to relish the possibility of Republicans losing in the midterms and the party falling apart.
You're right about Cruz.
Trump is a relative newcomer, but he did win the Presidency and he has been trying to do exactly what he campaigned on. We do have real growing economy again. We do have a needed reinvestment in our military. We do have conservative judges being nominated and confirmed. We do have a President who won't just let the issue of immigration go. Trump does deserve some credit I can't remember the last time we had a POTUS who actually went to DC and didn't change his tune, maybe Reagan but I can't think of anyone else.
Where did I say that?
The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years. Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out. But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough. I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change. The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin. Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.
So now I don't care what happens to the party. It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses. If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves. I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore. I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise. Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism. It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too. But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism.
Where did I say that?
The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years. Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out. But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough. I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change. The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin. Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.
So now I don't care what happens to the party. It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses. If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves. I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore. I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise. Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism. It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too. But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism.
Where did I say that?
The party has been heading for the crapper for a number of years. Like many, I stuck it out, hoping that the party would come to its senses and straighten out. But after years-- YEARS! -- of listening to and falling for the same phony promises and lies, I've had enough. I had some hope that Ted Cruz and others could turn the party around, but I've had to face the reality that nothing will change. The party is infested with liberals and there is no one interested in getting rid of the vermin. Trump promised to drain the swamp, but once he became president, that promise, like so many others, was forgotten.
So now I don't care what happens to the party. It's very possible Republicans will lose their majority in either or maybe both houses. If they do, they have no one to blame but themselves. I refuse to waste my vote on them anymore. I will neither cry nor rejoice when the party falls, but I also will not take the blame for its demise. Instead I will hope that from the ashes a new party will emerge, one that will genuinely embrace conservatism. It may take years of Democrat rule for people to get tired of them too. But they will tire of them and will be ready to embrace real conservatism.
Absolutely right - Right down the line.
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@roamer_1
Ehhhh,say WHAT? Please correct me if I am wrong,but aren't you on this site multiple times every day,doin't nothing but whining and complaining about Trump,A NON-REPUBLICAN PARTY PERSON,being president?
Which is it? Do you hate Republicans,or hate non-Republican politicians?
BTW,you are just one of many here guilty of this hypocrisy.
@sneakypete
LOL!!
Party means nothing to me... I vote for Conservatives. Period. And Sasse is rock-ribbed by ANY standard.
If I must be affiliated with any, it would be Constitution party - and I would favor their candidate.
But I would have voted for Cruz. And I would vote for Sasse... Not because they are Republican, but in spite of it.
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.
@Frank Cannon
Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.
@Frank Cannon
Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.
@Frank Cannon
Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz or JEB. Or maybe even Cruz AND JEB,because I suspect JEB was the Cruz voter fallback candidate.
Yeah whatever Frank... Every time you turn around, you are trying to tear down actual conservatives in the service of your orange Caesar.
Nevermind that the guy has TWO doctorates.
Nevermind that the guy, as CEO of Midland College, turned it all the way around and pulled it from the edge of bankruptcy.
Nevermind that he has a long, long record, one that proves his Conservative chops, and makes him as predictable in his service as is ever possible.
Just keep drinking that orange koolaid.
And yet again, I don't hate Tump.
Nope. When Cruz left the field, I went to the next best thing, and that was Castle.
I would have voted for Cruz. I would have voted for Paul. You might have talked me into Walker. But that was all the Republicans had to offer.
I think its spiked.
That's what I love about you Trump Haters.
You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.
Yeah whatever Frank... Every time you turn around, you are trying to tear down actual conservatives in the service of your orange Caesar.
Ditto that! And right atcha @Emjay. Oh, you have to vote Trump. No, I don't. It won't be on me if Democrats take over.
Yeah well I am full out tired of you folks who are turned on by a bunch of empty words and Pocket Constitution waving that ends in ZERO results. May make you sleep better worshiping proven losers and ne'er do wells that accomplish nothing, but I like seeing people working again, earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.
@Frank Cannon
Scratch them deep enough,and it ALWAYS boils down to they hate Trump because he beat Cruz
MEH. I don't see any of it. I am in business, and have been since my youth. i am on the street, both locally and regionally. I don't see it.
If you don't vote GOP it WILL be on you if the communists (Democrats) take over.
Yeah well I am full out tired of you folks who are turned on by a bunch of empty words and Pocket Constitution waving that ends in ZERO results. May make you sleep better worshiping proven losers and ne'er do wells that accomplish nothing, but I like seeing people working again, earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.
but I like seeing people working again,
earning more money and living a better quality of life when I hit the streets and look around. I suspect a large number of posters here confine themselves to their homes, never owned a business or actually get out into the cities a circulate among the filth and human debris to see what the hell is actually happening in the country. I do. Things look great thanks to the leadership we have in the White House today.
That could be. I know I pay more taxes to the government to buy good from outside the US. Let me know if that is not correct.
Stop buying Chinese shit and you wouldn't have a problem.Thanx buddy. Great point.
I absolutely LOVED Castle too. Stana Katic was smoking hot......
Me too. I wish Trump was good at it.
https://qz.com/1347200/the-jobs-created-under-trump-are-different-than-under-obama/
In Barack Obama’s last 16 months in office, the number of jobs in the US increased by 2.4%. In the first 16 months of Trump’s administration, jobs rose by 2.1%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The strong labor market under Obama turned into a strong labor market under Trump as healthcare and education continued to boom.
let me know if this is not correct.
That could be. I know I pay more taxes to the government to buy good from outside the US. Let me know if that is not correct.
Stop buying Chinese shit and you wouldn't have a problem.@Frank Cannon
Funny how the NTers all say they support conservatives and yet bash 24/7 the most conservative
president this country has had since Ike and is probably more conservative then Ike was. The only
legit gripe is that he signed a ridiculous spending bill but he didn't have much of a choice and
vowed to never sign a spending bill like that again. On just about every other issue he is to the
right of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. The real conservatives are the one supporting the conservative
polices of President Trump. Soon we will have another constitutionalist on the SC. Thank you
President Trump.
@Frank Cannon
Could you please point me to a smart phone manufacturer in the USA? One that won't be hit by the tariff?
LOL, rat talking points? Now I know why you hate Trump.
That's what I love about you Trump Haters. You all love pretty words and speeches. Doesn't matter a whit that he hasen't accomplished one damn thing as a Senator......or for that matter anywhere in the private sector either.
All of them. Consumer electronics are not on the tariff list.
And what has your orange god accomplished? So far, all I've seen are what *might* be the remains of some Korean War soldiers (we still don't know what's in those boxes), a tax tweak (not the reform we were promised), a few executive orders (some of which have been invalidated by the courts and some judges who may or may not be constitutional conservatives (too soon to tell). We still have Obamacare, North Korea is still a nuclear threat, we still have "the swamp" and we are still being overrun by illegals and alleged refugees. Oh and where are all those jobs coming back to America because of Trump's trade wars? As far as I can tell, his trade wars are costing us jobs and money.
I don't want to hear the excuses that keeping his promises takes time, nor do I want to hear more blame being laid on congress. The guy has been in office for what -- two years? He should be further along in keeping his promises than he is now. And he would be if he stopped bitching and moaning at congress and all of his enemies, many of whom are imaginary, and actually worked to get things done. As president, he should be able to do more than he has. But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures. The only thing missing from this reality tv show is the bikini-clad babes slugging it out in the swimming pool.
Trump as president is a failure. And Trump supporters have the nerve to say that Cruz doesn't get things done? St least, Cruz tries, which is more than I can say about your pretend president.
I also enjoy that we don't have to go through the misery of the first couple years that Reagan put us through to jump start the economy. Those regular lay offs by companies and high high high interest rates were brutal.
But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures.
All of them. Consumer electronics are not on the tariff list.
Reagan gave us our open borders problem with his "one time and one time only" 86 amnesty. And
the "War on drug", which got us no knock raids and asset forfeitures just to mention two horrible
policies. Let me know when Trump goes to war with our civil liberties like Reagan and W Bush
(patriot act) did.
@jpsb
Please point me in the right direction. I posted my sources. Show me where they are incorrect please.
Reagan was a disaster as far as his amnesty.
One can make stats say anything you want. Not worth arguing over.
Obama took no actions to improve the economy. Trump did.Taxing the citizens or giving the rich a bigger tax cut? That's a great aguement too. I was concerned a respected conservative like yourself might demand government spend less tax money, but the GOP looks much stupider year after year.
Did you know a fellow TBR poster @Frank Cannon told me we don't put tariffs on electronic goods!?! Muther-Puss-Bucket. What a joke.
If you don't vote GOP it WILL be on you if the communists (Democrats) take over.
We don't. Look it up.You're right. Trump and his sycophants have been protecting us from milk.
Because national socialists and New World Order freaks are SO much better, right?
Funny how the NTers all say they support conservatives and yet bash 24/7 the most conservative
president this country has had since Ike and is probably more conservative then Ike was. The only
legit gripe is that he signed a ridiculous spending bill but he didn't have much of a choice and
vowed to never sign a spending bill like that again. On just about every other issue he is to the
right of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. The real conservatives are the one supporting the conservative
polices of President Trump. Soon we will have another constitutionalist on the SC. Thank you
President Trump.
Seriously? The Chinese are eating our lunch at tech manufacturing and that's not being taxed? Isn't there a national security issue with having China make all our mobile devices?
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That was probably the biggest mistake any modern president has made.
@roamer_1
YOU must think they are peachy-keen,because you do absolutely nothing to try to keep them out of power.
Holding your breath and stamping your little feets until you turn blue doesn't count.
@jpsb
Didn't he later admit it that trusting the Dims to keep their promises and going along with the amnesty for illegals was the worse mistake he ever made?
@roamer_1
YOU must think they are peachy-keen,because you do absolutely nothing to try to keep them out of power.
Holding your breath and stamping your little feets until you turn blue doesn't count.
All true, but he should have known better than to trust the rats. They always break their word. Always.
@sneakypete
Bullshit, Pete, pure and simple. You get what you vote *FOR*. Your vote is an endorsement. There is no such thing as a negative vote.
And from now on, I will vote for nothing but Conservatism. I am flat done playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. So if you want my vote, throw a Conservative up there ( a REAL one... Not Boosh, McCain't, Romney, or Tumpy the Clown)... Otherwise GOP can KMA.
@roamer_1
I hate to be the one to break this to you,but you also get what you DON'T vote for. In this case you got Trump,so quit whining about him since you did NOTHING to keep him out of office.
And even then you dodged a bullet because you COULD have gotten Bubbette,but cheer up! Who knows,you might get her in 2020!
The hell I didn't.
@sneakypete
Shrugs. Makes no difference to me. Six of one, half dozen of the other... A bucket of shit is a bucket of shit, no matter how you throw it.
@roamer_1
The funny part about that is that you think it makes you look wise
@sneakypete
And from now on, I will vote for nothing but Conservatism. I am flat done playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. So if you want my vote, throw a Conservative up there ( a REAL one... Not Boosh, McCain't, Romney, or Tumpy the Clown)... Otherwise GOP can KMA.
Please tell me what you don't like about the following
Please tell me what you don't like about the following
@jpsb @roamer_1
He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.
@jpsb @roamer_1
He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.
What, exactly? Take away all the EOs, and tell me the far-reaching real changes. Go ahead.
I'm not gonna play your game. Its there for anyone with an open mind to see.
Riiight. So nothing. Gotcha.
On balance, you look at this pro business president’s record, and it has been phenomenal!
On balance, you look at this pro business president’s record, and it has been phenomenal!
@jpsb @roamer_1
He doesn't like that it is Trump that was responsible for it.
Amen!!! The problem with Sasse?..............There isn't any. The problem is with the Trump administration smearing good Americans who have taken oaths to serve. This Senator knows his job. He understands the Constitution and the separate powers of government. He is a good man that loves his country and his family.
And likely if Ben Sasse said the swamp needed to be drained he would be talking about restoring the government to the original purposes of their powers. To fight crime in our government and those who would diminish what was given to us by the Founders. He certainly would not think that he could drain half of the swamp.
And if Ben Sasse ever runs for President he has my vote. No matter who he is running against.
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The other night I watched Trump at his rally on FOX News. Who does he love? Shawn Hannity, and Judge Jenine. Who are they? Television personalities, that who. Judge Jenine is hardly judge at all. I have read her biography. She describes herself as fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Shawn Hannity is opinion personality on FOX News. What have either done for the country besides continually sell Donald Trump, and believe me he needs selling. Because he contradicts himself continuously. Wants a wall but signs bloated bills that strap our children with debt with no clear funding. He keeps shouting about draining the swamp yet when Manafort and Cohen are found guilty of crimes he tweets what good men they are. Complains that Sessions is doing his job bringing charges against Republicans. Like a child saying your picking on us.
The fan club has "picked" on Ben Sasse but I am certain that he is better than the majority of Trumps Administration which is falling apart.
OK, but thats not 'far reaching'. The economy could change tomorrow.
Border security? Not far reaching. He's doing that with EOs.
Never mind congress not cooperating.
Judges? Thats not far reaching either. They'll all die one day. Besides, how do we know how they'll actually rule?
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.
@sneakypete
Nope. I give him credit when it's due.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
:thumbsup:
The hell I didn't.
@sneakypete
Shrugs. Makes no difference to me. Six of one, half dozen of the other... A bucket of shit is a bucket of shit, no matter how you throw it.
Most of it is bullshit.
No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.
Agreed, but in Trump defense he had no choice but to sign that horrible spending bill. Blame
Congress for that, Congress wrote it. Reagan had the same problem and blew up the national
debt too.
That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure
Again Blame congress for not funding a permanent wall. Trump as president is doing all he can.
Tump did that to himself.
No, Congress is not keeping the promises it made to the American people in 2016. Repeal of Ocare
showed just what a bunch of liars a lot of our elected reps are.
Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.
Yes. Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.
Good things are happening. Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated. The economy is better. Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.
We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening. Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well. That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.
And what has your orange god accomplished? So far, all I've seen are what *might* be the remains of some Korean War soldiers (we still don't know what's in those boxes), a tax tweak (not the reform we were promised), a few executive orders (some of which have been invalidated by the courts and some judges who may or may not be constitutional conservatives (too soon to tell). We still have Obamacare, North Korea is still a nuclear threat, we still have "the swamp" and we are still being overrun by illegals and alleged refugees. Oh and where are all those jobs coming back to America because of Trump's trade wars? As far as I can tell, his trade wars are costing us jobs and money.
I don't want to hear the excuses that keeping his promises takes time, nor do I want to hear more blame being laid on congress. The guy has been in office for what -- two years? He should be further along in keeping his promises than he is now. And he would be if he stopped bitching and moaning at congress and all of his enemies, many of whom are imaginary, and actually worked to get things done. As president, he should be able to do more than he has. But he runs the presidency like a third-rate reality tv show where he pretends to be president and creates controversy to distract his fans from his failures. The only thing missing from this reality tv show is the bikini-clad babes slugging it out in the swimming pool.
Trump as president is a failure. And Trump supporters have the nerve to say that Cruz doesn't get things done? St least, Cruz tries, which is more than I can say about your pretend president.
Agreed, but in Trump defense he had no choice but to sign that horrible spending bill. Blame
Congress for that, Congress wrote it. Reagan had the same problem and blew up the national
debt too.
Again Blame congress for not funding a permanent wall. Trump as president is doing all he can.
No, Congress is not keeping the promises it made to the American people in 2016. Repeal of Ocare
showed just what a bunch of liars a lot of our elected reps are.
@Applewood I actually feel sorry for you. I don't believe we could have elected anyone who could have done more in two short years to improve things for our country. This is after 8 years of a leader who tried, and almost succeeded, to ruin our country.
Yet you see nothing but gloom and darkness.
I like Cruz also and Cruz is enough of a realist to support Trump. He reiterated his support on Fox Business two days ago. He said he has weekly and sometimes daily contact with Trump. If you think Cruz is so great, why can't you follow him in his appreciation for the job Trump is doing?
No. But it's built on paper. Nearly $4T more in debt. In what, 6/8 months? With another monster pile of cash going away right after the elections too. Tax cuts are indeed good for the economy - But it is predictably short lived if not coupled with spending cuts. Just printing more money causes inflation to heat up, as the grocery store can demonstrate.
That's right. The next dem president will tear it all down just as Tump tore down OBummer's. It wasn't long ago that governing by EO was considered a sign of administrative failure
Tump did that to himself.
Yes, that CAN be far reaching - And I will surely give him credit for it if/when the time comes.
Name one thing that is BS and explain why.
If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.
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Cruz has become one of Trump's main allies in the Senate. Cruz is smart enough to know his
future depends on a successful Trump presidency and he is doing all he can to help make that
happen. I intent to vote Cruz in Nov and encourage my friends to do the same. Beto representing
Texas in the Senate is unthinkable.
@jpsb
Bullshit. The buck stops at the top. If my company does something wrong, that is ALWAYS my fault. No one else's, even if it was just because I didn't see something coming.
Tump came in like a bull in a china shop and pissed off absolutely everyone he would later need to govern. I think he did that on purpose, precisely so he could have someone to blame... That's really being kind, as there is no other 'strategic' reason for doing so.
That doesn't work for me, and it shouldn't work for you either.
He broke it. He must fix it. But he won't. It is too useful for finger-pointing.
Look. I see why y'all are excited. All these EOs are like candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. How can that be bad? It's good! but it will give you a bellyache later. Watch and see.
Me, I am more a meat and potatoes kind of guy.
I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.
And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.
Yeah riiiight... Like Roberts.
Trump did not appoint Roberts that neocon Bush did after the GOP revolted when he nominated his
friend and personal lawyer Harriet Meyers. Bush like Obama did not give a damn about the USA all he
cared about was taking care of his family and his friends.
If the GOP loses the House it will be solely the fault of that small, insignificant bunch of hater's known as NT'ers on TBR.
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Some have called me a pessimist. Hell, I've even called myself a pessimist. But the truth is... I'm a realist. I am hopeful when it seems logical to be hopeful. I'm not hopeful over our ever-spiraling, out of control debt. I have come to the conclusion that no party, no where, is ever going to address the issue and deal with it. It will go on and on, as is, no matter which party is in control of Congress, until it collapses. We might as well get used to that 'reality'. And prepare, as best we can, for the ultimate consequences.
The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants. Blaming Trump for this is grossly unfair, he is not, like you, a
CEO. We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.
I don't think Texas is stupid enough to elect a nasty little crook over one of America's finest senators.
And Cruz is smart enough to know that not only his future, but the country's future depends on a successful Trump presidency and also to recognize that in spite of Trump's personal quirks, Trump is doing a good job for the country.
Yes. Some people are so mired in hatred that they are blinded to reality.
Good things are happening. Government agencies are slowly being cut back and some eliminated. The economy is better. Refusing to acknowledge that because it might not last is so short-sighted.
We have no way of knowing what will last or what will happen but I see good things happening. Just look at the two new Supremes we will have if all goes well. That's an accomplishment Republicans should be cheering.
As for Sasse, the people who are cheering him now are the same ones who would criticize him if he ... well, I don't know what he could do. He certainly can't run as a Republican so maybe he can be the new hero for the pie-in-the-sky crowd.
@jpsb
Roberts was another golden boy at the time... Heck, he came Cruz endorsed. I was happy at his nomination for that reason, if no other. Turns out it was a very bad call. So I am ever inured from crediting judges till I find out what they are exactly. No skin off Tump's nose for it... I think his choices are well advised... but no credit yet either.
Yeah Roberts fooled a lot of people. Ann Coulter gets a lot of credit for saying "Wait a minute,
what do we really know about Roberts".
The House is sending bills to the Senate and they die in the Senate. The GOP only has a 2 seat
majority, without D support nothing can get passed a closure vote (60 votes) and no D will
support anything Trump wants.
Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have. Go figure.
At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.
@roamer_1 You are the only absolutely relentless NTer I don't have on ignore, but you are getting close.
One wonders what you are like in real life. I hope you are using this forum to get rid of all your hate and negativity and saving the people in your family. But you are hurting those of us who have to read your rants.
Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have. Go figure.
At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.
Yet they were still able to pass a half a billion dollars in funding for Planned Parenthood plus an additional $1 trillion in wasteful spending with money that we don't have. Go figure.
At least we have a few Conservatives like Ben Sasse who are willing to stand on principle and vote against all this leftist BS.
At least, some Conservatives can take credit for the pro-life actions of this administration, the nominees, yes, it is not clear how they will vote, defunding International Planned Parenthood, giving states the right to defund Planned Parenthood without being sued as some states may want that. And there are more accomplishments as well.
So, the Never-Trumpers get NO credit for any of this, standing up for life.
Does Trump get no credit for helping the senate return to regular order to pass discrete appropriations bills for the first time in 20 years?
I most certainly have.
Absolutely, positively, yes, yes, and yes again. Like I have been saying for the last two years, when Trump does something Conservative, I will praise him. And when he does something liberal, I will criticize him. And that goes for Paul Ryan, John McCain, Ted Cruz, and Ben Sasse as well.:beer:
For me, I refuse to put any person or personality above Conservatism. Principles before personalities.
Sorry @Emjay , but I missed your little screed. By all means then, put me on ignore, that I might join my fellows. Anyone who must resort to liberal 'hater' tactics probably isn't worth talking to anyway.
LOL! That's unadulterated bullshit.
Absolutely, positively, yes, yes, and yes again. Like I have been saying for the last two years, when Trump does something Conservative, I will praise him. And when he does something liberal, I will criticize him. And that goes for Paul Ryan, John McCain, Ted Cruz, and Ben Sasse as well.
For me, I refuse to put any person or personality above Conservatism. Principles before personalities.
Just proof that they really do just want an echo chamber - and if given the chance, would cheer Trump imposing an Internet Fairness Doctrine so that anything negative about their political messiah and king can be purged and punished by government's hand.
Yeah... My ignore is utterly empty. No need to hide my eyes from dissent.
There's an Ignore button? Why?
Paraphrasing Isaiah 30:9-14 in rebuttal to what this thread illustrates so clearly.
We need more GOP senators and we need, we must, hold the House in these midterms.
LOL! That's unadulterated bullshit.
hahaha @roamer_1 keeps asking me to prove stuff. I want to see him prove that statement is NOT 'unadulterated bullshit.'
Everyone is worried about re-election, no one is worried about America...
@sneakypete
Nope. I give him credit when it's due.
Its hard to deny that, while its not ALL good, there is plenty of good stuff happening now that was considered highly unlikely two years ago. We shouldn't let our personal dislike for the current president prevent our enjoying it.
Business confidence and building activity is through the roof! The downtowns of mid to large cities across America, even Detroit, are dotted with construction cranes not seen in decades, companies are hiring and the job market is struggling to find enough workers to fill the demand. Energy production is soaring and America is set to lead the world as largest supplier in many sectors.
But, none of this matters because of Trump’s personality – it’s just not pleasingly presidential enough for some of our political purists. wink777
@aligncare
He just flat refuses to kiss any rings,and they find that wholly unacceptable.
@roamer_1
If so,I haven't noticed it,but I don't notice everything,so I apologize if I am wrong.
@sneakypete
Quite the other way around - WE flatly refuse to kiss the ring, and I think that is the problem y'all have with us. I stand on the very same principles I have always stood upon. Nothing has changed.
Just proof that they really do just want an echo chamber - and if given the chance, would cheer Trump imposing an Internet Fairness Doctrine so that anything negative about their political messiah and king can be purged and punished by government's hand.
Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that you have the most in common with.
@INVAR
Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that you have the most in common with.
@skeeter
Agreed. Personally,I don't like the SOB. Wouldn't invite him to a BBQ if he brought the pork.
Then again,I don't HAVE to like him to like the things he is doing. Or to admire him for doing it to stroke his ego. Frankly I don't give a damn what he wants to stroke or what the reasoning is behind what he is doing to approve of what he is doing. In FACT,he would have done a hell of a lot more if it weren't for the RINO's and their Dim brothers sticking knives in his back at every opportunity. They are terrified that there is now a non-politician in the WH that isn't controlled by either branch of the Ruling Party,but only by his own ego and how his presidency will be seen by historians. They have no hold on him to get him to compromise to keep them from looking like the thieves,scoundrels,and traitors they really are,and they just don't know how to deal with anyone they can't control.
The really,REALLY funny part is they are in no position to try to stab him in the back with rumors he paid bribes to get building permits,etc,etc,etc,because it was THEM he had to bribe. I am LOVING the HELL out of that! Hung by their own petards.
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.
All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.
He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.
All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.
He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.
People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.
All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.
He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.
I agree with you. He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either. I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him.
I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University. (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is: serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)
Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases. That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016; it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic. (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.) I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America. And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.
I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America. And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.
Disappointing for Sasse to tweet this after the great speech at the Kavanaugh hearing. Would he actually consider joining the party of abortion and open borders?
I agree with you. He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either. I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him.
I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University. (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is: serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)
Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases. That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016; it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic. (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.) I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America. And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.
Emjay says here stuff, is because Bush 41 was out groping women, so don't think her malicious words towards Trump, Lincoln (as if her husband said he was a bad president, maybe, maybe so), is to protect Bush 41 and the precious Bushes, they are from Texas so likewise, she slandered Trump earlier when Cruz ran a dirty campaign. She should not speak of division.
Trump has real accomplishments, like aiding Christians in the Middle East, go sit on it, for all of the gossip and slander by others. Go join the pro-choicers who say they support Trump.
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People who know him personally say he's a nice guy. I have no idea whether thats true nor do I care.
All I do know is there are a few things happening now I have wanted to see happen for decades. Even where Trump's been unsuccessful the very fact he's talking about issues that were formerly unmentionable helps move the chain down the field. The cowards that ran the party before Trump wouldn't even pay these issue lip service.
He ain't my 'Orange God' but I am capable of recognizing that he has been the motive force behind the progress currently being made.
There shouldn't be only two choices.@musiclady
Many people have left the Republican party because they are far more conservative than the party and there is no place for us there.
The alternative is not becoming a pro-abortion Democrat. That's actually quite a silly suggestion for a conservative like Sasse.
@austingirl
I agree with you. He certainly ain't my "Orange God" either. I will even go so far as to say I am still appalled that the GOP nominated him.
I am especially disgusted that a lot of evangelicals winked at his despicable confession of Christ at Liberty University. (I will "wink" at sins--even pretty bad sins--but over-the-top hypocrisy of the sort that is ultimately contemptuous of the blood of Christ needs to be called out [at least] for what it is: serious blasphemy of the sort that even a reprobate like Thomas Jefferson would have condemned.)
Now that Trump is our POTUS, however, I am reminded that my God is in the Heavens and He does whatsoever He pleases. That is one reason for my conscientious refusal to vote in 2016; it is also why I do not assume that Trump's election is the beginning of the end of our Republic. (Heck, having Hillary as POTUS would have brought about the dreadful, irreversible end that we deserved.) I certainly do not pray, as some bitter NeverTrumpers seem to be praying, that we get what we deserve. I pray for our POTUS as I pray for America. And I believe I am seeing my prayers being answered.
You seem to have us confused with the 'ends-justify-the-means' crowd. As for DU, we aren't the ones here rejecting TRUTH.
T@INVARQuotehat's ridiculously lame for you.
Echo chambers and fairness doctrines are what the Left pushes for - and we have learned it is what Trump fanatics also push for.
Methinks the comfort zone you suggest is projection, because the Trump fanatics teach us daily that they have less in common with Conservatives and more in common with Collectivists/Statists as long as the long arm of big government is Trump's.
No one is praying that we get what we deserve. That, @the_doc , is beneath you. *****rollingeyes*****
Some of us know that Yahovah does not save nations out of their debauchery and depravity.
REPENTANCE as a nation must come first.
2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)
@roamer_1
Let me see if I have this straight,ok? YOU are the one that only deals in facts and realities,and the people supporting Trump because he is doing a good job are the ones who are delusional?
Did you come to this conclusion yourself,or did your magical spook appear before you in a dream to explain it to you?
What the heck does any of that have to do with the post you quoted?
Some of us know that Yahovah does not save nations out of their debauchery and depravity.
REPENTANCE as a nation must come first.
2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (KJV)
@roamer_1
What,you don't even read your own posts?
Did you,or did you not write the cut and paste quote below?
@musiclady
Silly? I didn't know you were the arbiter of silly. You've got a lot on your plate.
Be happy with the burn pits under your hero George W. Bush and how service people have died of cancers rarely seen Musiclady but don't criticize others who are in the battle for this country's future.
Emjay can go and defend slavery and saying something bad about Lincoln to be vindictive towards others for merely talking about Bush 41's groping.
Will you please name the person/persons you are accusing of this?
Because without a citation and proof, it is a really ugly and certainly un-Christian accusation.
@the_doc
Please go back and re-read what I said before you make an ugly accusation (LOL).
The operative word in my statement was seem. My point is that I definitely do believe--whether rightly or wrongly--that too many people on TBR who have been publicly prophesying America's ruin under Trump have become emotionally (perversely, smugly) invested in a scenario in which Trump falls flat in his serious attempts to drain the Swamp. I doubt that they fully realize their spiritual blunder, but I have noticed that the most ardent NeverTrumpers have never affirmed that they pray for God to have mercy on Trump. They just trash him for his past sins, and scoff at him for his present political roughness. They seem to want him removed--which likely would precipitate the final ruin of America.
So, I stand by what I said in my previous post. Wait and see what God does through our POTUS between now and yearend.
The operative word in my statement was seem. My point is that I definitely do believe--whether rightly or wrongly--that too many people on TBR who have been publicly prophesying America's ruin under Trump have become emotionally (perversely, smugly) invested in a scenario in which Trump falls flat in his serious attempts to drain the Swamp. I doubt that they fully realize their spiritual blunder, but I have noticed that the most ardent NeverTrumpers have never affirmed that they pray for God to have mercy on Trump. They just trash him for his past sins, and scoff at him for his present political roughness. They seem to want him removed--which likely would precipitate the final ruin of America.
So, I stand by what I said in my previous post. Wait and see what God does through our POTUS between now and yearend.
@INVAR
Seems to me like a few of you would be much more comfortable posting at DU or Huffington Post. After all,that's where your "peeps" are that you have the most in common with.
Yes, good things are happening. But it is Trump that, right now, poses the gravest threat to all that good news. He insists that this fall's elections be a referendum on him and his style, not the growing prosperity. That risks all - voters are expected to make the subtle and difficult decision to recognize that prosperity and reward Republicans while cringing nightly at the latest Presidential tantrum. That is a lot to ask - too much, I believe, to save the House. And with the House in Dem hands, the next two years will be Crazytown, 24/7.
I agree @sneakypete but as far as an Internet Fairness doctrine is concerned, anybody who watched Tucker Carlson last night saw an amazing expose of how Google tried to influence the election. Also @INVAR because he blames Trump for everything including things he hasn't done or mentioned yet.
We all know Google has a lot of power. It's the NO. 1 search engine by far and we all know that you have to be prepared to go 5 or 6 pages deep to find unbiased answers to any search.
I'm not totally sure that we don't need some sort of control. The only problem is letting government control anything because that's never a good idea.
I'm not totally sure that we don't need some sort of control. The only problem is letting government control anything because that's never a good idea.
There's an Ignore button? Why?
Sasse Boy=
Harvard, Oxford, Yale
PhD
Academic or government
period
Never really worked for a living, outside college or government.
We already have far too many like that
No significant accomplishments, since HS Valedictorian
Sucks taxpayers' teat for a career.
@skeeter
You and I are in EXACTLY the same boat across the board. There is no doubt about a thing you said there.
There shouldn't be only two choices.
Many people have left the Republican party because they are far more conservative than the party and there is no place for us there.
The alternative is not becoming a pro-abortion Democrat. That's actually quite a silly suggestion for a conservative like Sasse.
@austingirl
Be happy with the burn pits under your hero George W. Bush and how service people have died of cancers rarely seen Musiclady but don't criticize others who are in the battle for this country's future.
Emjay can go and defend slavery and saying something bad about Lincoln to be vindictive towards others for merely talking about Bush 41's groping.
Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.
as far as an Internet Fairness doctrine is concerned, anybody who watched Tucker Carlson last night saw an amazing expose of how Google tried to influence the election. Also @INVAR because he blames Trump for everything including things he hasn't done or mentioned yet.
@skeeter @Bigun I'll join your club if you'll let me in.
Government regulation - no, never.
But using anti-trust laws on the books a judge might be able to break Google up into smaller entities that can then compete with each other for our business.
Given what we are finding out about the Google and their obvious desire to use their immense resources to influence political outcomes by filtering information I don't know why anyone (who isn't a drooling left winger) would find fault with this.
Because Government is Midas in reverse.
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I'd rather suffer whatever bullshit Google attempts than let government try to 'fix -it'.
I still am beholden to the fact that the most frightening words any person should ever hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
Welcome aboard @Emjay!:thumbsup:
@musiclady The problem is reality. There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.
Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one. Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over. We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.
It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable. We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.
@skeeter @Bigun I'll join your club if you'll let me in.
@TomSea You have insulted and lied about me twice. I had to report you to the moderators.
Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.
Riiiight. Rely on big-daddy gov - They can fix anything!!!
How is your imposition any different than the liberals' imposition by way of federal overreach?
Hell no. Monopoly law should be the very LAST thing you think of.
Not to mention that Google is not a monopoly, in any of its aspects.
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that. Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through. And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway. So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him. And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement. It's all bark and no bite.
What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.
Because what I suggested actually enhances the market. More choices is better than one dominating leftwing gargantua.
Too nuanced for you?
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that. Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through. And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway. So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him. And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement. It's all bark and no bite.
What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that. Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through. And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway. So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him. And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement. It's all bark and no bite.
@musiclady The problem is reality. There are only two choices right now and we can either live with that and choose the best alternative or we can sit it out.
Sitting it out is okay as a personal choice but it is a selfish one. Because if all the purists sit it out, that opens the door for the Dark Side to take over. We all know what the democrats stand for and the scary thing is ... they are getting worse.
It will be many years, if ever, before a third party could become viable. We can't wait for that because if the democrats ever get power again they will ruin our country.
Here's the thing -- there's no way Trump can do that. Far too many Republicans, and conservatives who are not Republicans, oppose it for him to get it through. And the Supreme Court wouldn't stand for it now anyway. So while I agree that Trump is 100% wrong when he utters anything about government limits on free speech, it's an impotent threat coming from him. And very fortunately for us, the stupidest things he says on other topics also tend to be things that lacks the power to implement. It's all bark and no bite.
What scares me so much more about the Democrats is that they generally do have the power to implement most of the threats they make.
So the ends justify the means. And Uncle-Daddy gets to choose the winners and losers.
No sale. **nononono*
Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.
Actually I apply the same standard to corporations that I would apply to government. Both are run by individuals who can be corrupted. Neither should be allowed to abuse their positions of advantage and Google (the search engine part anyway), by virtue of it's overwhelming market presence and increasing tendency to act politically, presents a threat that should be addressed.
How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.
How about we the people address it and push back against them directly? You have lost faith in free markets and their ability to correct themselves. Giving government the power to use the hammer on the 1st amendment against your enemies is a sure fire way to be eventually on the receiving end of the hammer. Don't give government the hammer. Period.
Who's sitting what out??
Your implication is that not liking Trump means we aren't doing anything.
That's not what's happening.
Well, I didn't report it, but he lied about me too and said some incredibly awful stuff that was pretty wacked out.
Not nice..... not nice at all.
There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.
Yes I am losing faith in the 'free market'.
If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice
Not sure what you mean by 'refuse to play their game.' If you mean sit out a vote because you refuse to realize that right now we have a binary choice, I don't call that courage but wishful thinking.
Yeah, @musiclady and it was totally out of the blue, unrelated to anything we were discussing. I can only guess that he is self-medicating today.
As usual, your reading comprehension sucks and is always twisted in order to stir the shit on the board.
It's the morons cheering and applauding the idea of using government to impose a fairness doctrine on the internet I have the big issue with. Trump has yet to go beyond tweeting about threatening to do so, but when he does both he and his sycophantic mob will rightly deserve blame when and if such a horrifying use of power is implemented.
With explains why Democrats, Marxists, Republicans and Trump supporters embrace various facets of Socialism/Collectivism/Statism - and further make my point that there is no difference between the parties or the people who support one or the other.
Only in whom they target for government punitive action.
He's kind of a jerk, IM0, but he's our jerk right now, trying to save the Union from the real bad actors.
(I guess we ought to confess that even reprobates can sometimes turn out to be pretty good Presidents.
Also, I am heartened to notice that the Progressives HATE him. That, in turn, is probably reason enough to back Trump as much as possible--keeping a careful watch on him, of course.
Sorry, I thought you meant that wished there were a third choice because you couldn't vote for Trump.
Was I wrong?
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.
I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.
(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).
I conscientiously sat out the election, as practically all professed NeverTrumpers here on TBR did if they couldn't write in a decent third party candidate.
But now that DJT is in office I think it's important to support him--even if I still won't vote for him if he survives to run again.
There are "only two choices" because people don't have the courage to not accept the choices offered by those two parties. As long as you decide to stay on the plantation the plantation will continue making you its slave leaving you "no other choice". You are doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result, year after year... The only way to make an actual change is refuse to play their game and actually make a party earn your vote. But that takes courage.
I sincerely hope you meant politically...because if anything happens to him because of some left-wing nut....... :smokin:
Oh, Amen! I am getting off the plantation. Leaving and they can send the dogs after me. You can't be free unless you take a step. In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run. I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish. Get out the whip!
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.
Don't do that.
Oh, Amen! I am getting off the plantation. Leaving and they can send the dogs after me. You can't be free unless you take a step. In this case I am skipping walking and in a full run. I am ready for whatever punishment they can dish. Get out the whip!
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.
There was a third choice for whom I voted, and I have never regretted it for a moment.
I hope there is an even bigger percentage of people who make that choice in 2020.
(And for the record in case anyone says otherwise -as I'm sure some Trumper will - I despise Hillary, and am glad she lost).
I don't recall anyone giving a shit the 58 other times you and others here go on about not being a Republicans and being off the reservation.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm13uzlU8AABbwF.jpg)
Excuse me, I thought it was a kindness.
I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning. And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.
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I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning. And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.
You remind me of this idiot guy I saw in Sears right after Clinton won. He was wearing a t-shirt that said 'Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot.' I wanted to slap him. He and his ilk were totally to blame.
I get that you are a firm supporter of President Trump @Emjay as are Many Briefers, some articulate their values/principals better than others just as some NT'ers make some sense to you but obviously some don't.
I'm Ok with that, it makes TBR a thinking place and not an Echo Chamber.
* I had this long drawn out diatribe about how you never, ever let me DEAL anyway but I'll save it for tomorrow, when we meet again.
Earth to @corbe Trump has not hijacked the GOP. But he did win the GOP nomination and then the Presidency and he has been a pleasant surprise to a lot of people who wanted someone else.
I wanted someone else but that person did not win the nomination and that person is now a firm supporter of Trump.
I get really tired of people bragging about how great they are and how they stand by their principles while they ignore the current reality. And especially how they imply that the rest of us are selling out our morals and our souls by supporting Trump. It stinks.
Have they even looked at what the democrats have become. They were always bad and they've become worse.
We now have a decent President who is doing good things and the little crybabies don't like him because he is not classy enough for them. I know he can be a bit of a jerk, but he is our jerk.
Deal with it, corbe.
lol. I don't think TRUMP is a jerk. I as woman, have no issue with him. He is a truth teller, blunt & not P.C. That is how I post. No time for P.C. America dying from being P.C.ed to actual death. It is a form of brainwashing. Oh, I forget, I think you are a woman too? The guys on here have half naked pictures of young women, & the woman use a male, as their Avatar. Those men with pictures of young, half naked women, better not "blast" Trump for being a HETERO himself.
Trump is never a jerk, but left, lying media does portray him that way. I love his rally speeches. BACK TO TRUTH & REALITY. GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! :amen: :patriot: :patriot:
I'm sorry @musiclady but you may be glad Hillary lost but you are here bragging about contributing to her almost winning. And, if she had won, it will be purists like you who punish the rest of us by voting for some pie in the sky third party.
You remind me of this idiot guy I saw in Sears right after Clinton won. He was wearing a t-shirt that said 'Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot.' I wanted to slap him. He and his ilk were totally to blame.
He may be YOUR jerk, but he most definitely is not MY jerk, anymore than I claimed Obama as MY president.
We will have to disagree on that one.
"A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit." - Matthew 7:18
"It was out of fear of the Communists that we supported Hitler" - Opa Neumüller"
I get really tired of people bragging about how great they are and how they stand by their principles while they ignore the current reality. And especially how they imply that the rest of us are selling out our morals and our souls by supporting Trump. It stinks.
lol. I don't think TRUMP is a jerk. I as woman, have no issue with him. He is a truth teller, blunt & not P.C. That is how I post. No time for P.C. America dying from being P.C.ed to actual death. It is a form of brainwashing. Oh, I forget, I think you are a woman too? The guys on here have half naked pictures of young women, & the woman use a male, as their Avatar. Those men with pictures of young, half naked women, better not "blast" Trump for being a HETERO himself.
Trump is never a jerk, but left, lying media does portray him that way. I love his rally speeches. BACK TO TRUTH & REALITY. GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP! :amen: :patriot: :patriot:
:thumbsup:
I think Donald Trump’s got a great personality. Even his manner of speaking is cool – very effective communicator. Honest and frank talk. Not like your weasely, feckless politician who typically talks out of both sides of his mouth and yet says nothing that would give away what he’s really thinking. Not so with Trump. You know exactly where he stands. What you see is what you get.
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@Chosen Daughter I would be completely fine with you and your compatriot taking your toys and going home. Go on and take that Noble Step.
The only problem is that y'all will take more sensible people with you. People who do not expect perfection but who are willing to support and live with the best possible choice.
Obama was an illegal POTUS. Trump is not. Trump was Constitutionally elected--in fact, elected against all odds (e.g., in spite of massive cheating by Obama and HRC). Some would even say that Trump's defeat of HRC was miraculous. (I would qualify such a statement by saying that Trump's victory was merely a matter of an impressive Providence--but even that perspective gives credit to the God Who works in mysterious ways.)
Anyway, the fact that Obama was an illegal POTUS, whereas Trump is not, is an important distinction. I would suggest that we cannot disavow any of our more basic responsibilities of social allegiance to the President under the Constitution just because we are inclined to regard the man who occupies the Office as something of a scoundrel. (For the sake of our discussion, I will cheerfully adopt your position that he is a scoundrel. [I just happen to prefer the word "jerk."]
At the bottom line, loyalty to the Constitution is the lynchpin of the entire matter. Our loyalty to the Constitution is why we can and should criticize Trump when he oversteps his executive authority, but it is also why we ought to support him when Constitution-haters seek to frame him in order to depose him or even see him murdered. The Dems (and probably several RINOs) want to impeach him even though they can find no evidence whatsoever of high crimes or misdemeanors. Why are they raping the Constitution in this way? It is because they believe Trump is liable to hang them for THEIR sedition and treason if he survives in office for much longer.
Let's wait and see if I am right. If I am right, Trump will address practically all of the governmental corruption that you have decried in practically every thread on which you have angrily posted.
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In the next place, you took issue with my declaration that some of our best Presidents have been reprobates. You said:
Now, I'm afraid I have you in a box, my friend INVAR. Thomas Jefferson was inarguably one of our best Presidents--and he was inarguably a reprobate. 'Nuff said, I think.
We have to parse the meaning of good. In the real world, there are different kinds of good. There are political trees that bear good political fruit even if some of the personifications of such trees are reprobates. That is how a secular society works even when it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Jefferson was honorable (good) in that he was supremely patriotic. (Quite a few of our Founders loathed Jefferson, but Jefferson's unflagging patriotism won out in the end. He was committed to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Therein consisted his honor.) I submit that our currently crass, tactically shifty President has a role for which he may very will be honored as a supreme patriot, if nothing else, a determined man who was utterly sincere when he swore to uphold the Constitution. Under the circumstances of the mess that we are in as a secular society, Trump may be the best political tree we have had growing in the White House for quite some time--for the simple reason that he is patriotic enough, egotistical enough, (and Scottish enough) to attack America's Deep State enemies with the intention of utterly destroying them.
Remember: Trump was recruited in 2015 by America's military--who were sworn to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Trump happens to be a bull in a china shop. (He breaks things and blows things up, as Rush would say about the military.) Furthermore, Trump is not always conspicuously honest, not always wise, but he is on our side. He loves America. And I believe that he is in the War against the Deep State to win it for our beloved America--for our lives, our liberties, and our individualistic pursuits of happiness. (Whether Trump is a Christian or not--and he certainly wasn't when he inadvertently [stupidly] defamed Christianity at Liberty University--is beside the point. I think I have seen some changes in Trump since God has started putting him through a humiliating wringer of ugly revelations, with political hyenas and harpies attacking him for his inarguably filthy past; still, the question of his spiritual perfection [LOL] is beside the point. He is a PRESBYTERIAN, even if not a CHRISTIAN. Right now, a sturdy, angry Presbyterian may be just what we need. [All but one of the colonels in the Colonial Army were Presbyterian elders.)
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Finally on the theological point that you yourself raised, let me point out that the Lord also said "A tree is known by its fruits." You did not cite that verse, but it is important. Christ is giving us a truism: a tree is always pronounced to be good if its fruit is good. A good fruit tree is a good tree by definition. We need to keep that in mind while we are wondering about the equally important logic of cause and effect. The good tree produces good fruit as a matter of cause-and-effect. But we infer the goodness of the tree by its fruit--i.e., we reason BACKWARDS to determine whether the tree is good.
But now let's parse the idea of "good fruit." In Trump's case, we may not see the "fruit of the Spirit [of genuine Christianity]," but we do not always need that in the greatest of measures in our Presidents. What we should look for in President Trump is the long-lasting political fruit of restored values for our Body Politic of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In all of his stumbling around, perhaps even while he is being sorely tempted to strain against Constitutional limits (such as those that Lincoln actually trampled underfoot in several ways), I believe his military and legal advisers will help him to destroy the Progressives, to destroy the real enemies of America, and to restore our social, economic, and religious freedoms.
Wait and see how many people Trump arrests and prosecutes in this War. That, by definition, will be the good political fruit of a good political tree growing slowly but surely in the White House.
Finally, your remark:
That's inane. Trump is no Hitler.
Anyway, the fact that Obama was an illegal POTUS, whereas Trump is not, is an important distinction.
I would suggest that we cannot disavow any of our more basic responsibilities of social allegiance to the President under the Constitution just because we are inclined to regard the man who occupies the Office as something of a scoundrel.
Our loyalty to the Constitution is why we can and should criticize Trump when he oversteps his executive authority, but it is also why we ought to support him when Constitution-haters seek to frame him in order to depose him or even see him murdered.
The Dems (and probably several RINOs) want to impeach him even though they can find no evidence whatsoever of high crimes or misdemeanors. Why are they raping the Constitution in this way?
It is because they believe Trump is liable to hang them for THEIR sedition and treason if he survives in office for much longer.
Let's wait and see if I am right. If I am right, Trump will address practically all of the governmental corruption that you have decried in practically every thread on which you have angrily posted.
Thomas Jefferson was inarguably one of our best Presidents--and he was inarguably a reprobate.
We have to parse the meaning of good. In the real world, there are different kinds of good.
I submit that our currently crass, tactically shifty President has a role for which he may very will be honored as a supreme patriot, if nothing else, a determined man who was utterly sincere when he swore to uphold the Constitution.
Under the circumstances of the mess that we are in as a secular society, Trump may be the best political tree we have had growing in the White House for quite some time--for the simple reason that he is patriotic enough, egotistical enough, (and Scottish enough) to attack America's Deep State enemies with the intention of utterly destroying them.
Remember: Trump was recruited in 2015 by America's military-
Trump is not always conspicuously honest, not always wise, but he is on our side. He loves America.
But now let's parse the idea of "good fruit."
What we should look for in President Trump is the long-lasting political fruit...
Finally, your remark: "It was out of fear of the Communists that we supported Hitler" - Opa Neumüller"
That's inane. Trump is no Hitler.
The people need to kiss the ground, he walks on.
The people need to kiss the ground, he walks on.
I'm a self thinker. Believe me I swam up hill in a church full of Trump supporters and survived. Nobody takes me with them and I am not taking any with me. Most people are able to think for themselves. But I know you will need someone to blame when Trump is derailed.
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Please @Chosen Daughter Do not flatter yourself. I promise you I will not blame you if Trump is derailed.
Principles are truth.
Truth IS reality.
End_of_story.
Thank you, sir.
I'm a self thinker.
@roamer_1
You need a new gooroo,bubba. Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality. Unless maybe you are willing to state you would rather see your child starve to death than steal food to feed the child.
The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.
I agree generally with your point, but I think the phrasing isn't quite correct.
Principles themselves don't/shouldn't shift. But how we weigh competing moral principles may vary greatly depending upon the particular situation. For example, "telling the truth" may be a principle, but there obviously are times when lying is the more moral course because of other principles that may be implicated.
Always a 'but' @Jazzhead Good things are happening 'but'
But you don't like Trump's personality. You admit to growing prosperity but Trump is a jerk.
You may admit to the probability of Trump improving the Supreme Court in a dramatic way, but Trump is a jerk.
You may admit to Trump actually putting America first in trade and in protecting our country from being overwhelmed by illegal alients ... but Trump is a jerk.
Now I'm wondering who the real jerk is in this scenario.
Okay, fine, @Emjay , so I'm a jerk. But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats. Trump's does.
What you object to is constructive criticism of the President. He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition. But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments. He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave. Yes, he's being goaded on a daily basis. But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.
But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later.
@Chosen Daughter
No,you are NOT. You are a follower who allows your social group to define every aspect of your thinking and life. You can not be a devoutly religious follower of ANY faith and be an independent thinker. You can be one or the other,but not both.
@Jazzhead
Well, this is interesting because I think it highlights the critical point that separates so many people. I bolded the language I think hits the key issue.
You're arguing that your criticism is "constructive" because Trump "needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy." Presumably, that means you think your criticism -- as echoed by many, many others -- is going "to make him realize that he is his own worst enemy."
Seriously?
I think that's about as likely as the New England Patriots winning the World Series. Anyone remotely familiar with Trump and his background knows that this is who he is. He's a blowhard who gets in trouble because he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth. And he's thin-skinned, so the more he gets criticized publicly, the more likely his behavior is to get worse. People throughout the media, in the GOP, and ordinary people like you have been blasting Trump literally for years trying to get him to stop doing that stuff. How has that worked out?
John Kelly -- who trust me is a pretty persuasive, impressive guy in person -- communicates with Trump on a daily basis, and obviously would prefer that Trump not say things that get him in trouble. Yet even he hasn't managed to stop those things despite being Trump's COS for more than a year. And I bet Trump's own wife, daughter, and son-in-law all have done their best in private to restrain him. How's that worked out for them?
No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't. He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire. It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance. The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals. And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.
I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid. I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.
tl;dr
We know he says stupid stuff. Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.
Okay, fine, @Emjay , so I'm a jerk. But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats. Trump's does.
What you object to is constructive criticism of the President. He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition. But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments. He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave. Yes, he's being goaded on a daily basis. But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.
You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult. So would, no doubt, President Trump. But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later. I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it. Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off. We are not his enemies.
Nice post. Everyone on all sides of this argument is sounding like the proverbial broken record.
Problems with his style aside, why not just start focusing on the practical results of having Trump as president, which I assume we're all pleased with, generally? Otherwise the dire warnings about him alienating this constituency or that one will become a self fulfilling prophesy and we'll get none of what we want.
Nice post. Everyone on all sides of this argument is sounding like the proverbial broken record.
Problems with his style aside, why not just start focusing on the practical results of having Trump as president, which I assume we're all pleased with, generally? Otherwise the dire warnings about him alienating this constituency or that one will become a self fulfilling prophesy and we'll get none of what we want.
Okay, fine, @Emjay , so I'm a jerk. But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats. Trump's does.
What you object to is constructive criticism of the President. He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition. But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments. He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave. Yes, he's being goaded on a daily basis. But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.
You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult. So would, no doubt, President Trump. But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later. I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it. Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off. We are not his enemies.
No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't. He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire. It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance. The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals. And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.
I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid. I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.
We know he says stupid stuff. Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.
@Jazzhead @Emjay
Well, this is interesting because I think it highlights the critical point that separates so many people. I bolded the language I think hits the key issue.
You're arguing that your criticism is "constructive" because Trump "needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy." Presumably, that means you think your criticism -- as echoed by many, many others -- is going "to make him realize that he is his own worst enemy."
Seriously?
I think that's about as likely as the New England Patriots winning the World Series. Anyone remotely familiar with Trump and his background knows that this is who he is. He's a blowhard who gets in trouble because he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth. And he's thin-skinned, so the more he gets criticized publicly, the more likely his behavior is to get worse. People throughout the media, in the GOP, and ordinary people like you have been blasting Trump literally for years trying to get him to stop doing that stuff. How has that worked out?
John Kelly -- who trust me is a pretty persuasive, impressive guy in person -- communicates with Trump on a daily basis, and obviously would prefer that Trump not say things that get him in trouble. Yet even he hasn't managed to stop those things despite being Trump's COS for more than a year. And I bet Trump's own wife, daughter, and son-in-law all have done their best in private to restrain him. How's that worked out for them?
Based on what??? That is pure wishful thinking - literally. The man is 72 years old, and is nothing if not consistent in his personality. Where is there a shred of evidence to support this idea that he is "going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later?" I would say that every shred of evidence actually suggests that the opposite is true. The most rational conclusion -- and the only one supported by any facts -- is that he is not ever going to every wake up and change his ways, and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.
No matter how well-meaning your intentions may be with this criticism you believe is "constructive", it just isn't. He is who he is, and the cacophony of public criticism from critics who claim to support most of his substantive agenda isn't having the effect you desire. It's not changing his behavior -- it is handing to the opponents of his policies more ammunition with which to oppose him on substance. The left loves nothing more than to take something stupid he's said, build the narrative that he's a bad, evil guy, and then use that narrative to discredit his policy proposals, judicial nominations, etc., as well as anyone who supports those proposals. And when GOP critics decide to pile on when he says stupid things, they are helping the left build that narrative.
I'm not saying that Republicans should give him false praise when he says something stupid. I'm saying that the piling on based on the false belief that such criticism is "constructive", and will change his behavior for the better, is actually destructive of the substantive agenda so many of them claim to support.
tl;dr
We know he says stupid stuff. Repeatedly focusing on it just plays into the hands of the left.
And I say it is exactly because Trump is the way he is that he has had so much success against a powerful and intransigent establishment: he is the proverbial bull in the china shop. And thank God for it.
None of the other 16 or seventeen courtly republican candidates for president could have achieved such accomplishments – none!
Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage. Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse. But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do. Of course he can change. He's not an idiot.
He can accomplish his policy objectives without coming on like a mafia don, without taking every last criticism as license to strike back by lowering himself to the level of his critics. The stark reality is that UNLESS he changes, his policy objectives will be gone with the political winds. He won because he was lucky - the Dems nominated a true turkey to run against him. He nevertheless caught lightening in a bottle by applying his tax cut and de-regulatory impulses to an economy that was beginning to crest. He's gotten so lucky that the boom has continued notwithstanding his anti-growth policies toward immigration, and his unorthodox approach to trade. And by all lights he deserves to be rewarded for his success, but it is becoming more and more likely that it will all come crashing down instead - because Trump can't think strategically beyond his own self-interest.
You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team. I understand the impulse, but we are still two months away from the voting and there is still time to head off disaster. I hope and pray.
Okay, fine, @Emjay , so I'm a jerk. But my jerky behavior doesn't threaten GOP control of Congress and the prosperity that is lifting all boats. Trump's does.
What you object to is constructive criticism of the President. He has kept his promises and accomplished a great deal in the face of unyielding opposition. But he exhibits a toxic brew of megalomania and an appetite for self-destruction, and it is overshadowing his accomplishments. He's had a year and a half to conform to reasonable norms of how a President should behave. Yes, he's being goaded on a daily basis. But he needs to realize that he is his own worst enemy.
You can dismiss what I have to say with a flip insult. So would, no doubt, President Trump. But he is going to wake up and change his ways sooner or later. I'd prefer the former, since our prosperity is riding on it. Constructive criticism should be heeded, not flipped off. We are not his enemies.
Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin
You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage.
Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse. But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do. Of course he can change. He's not an idiot.
You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team.
Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality.
The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.
In spite of my earlier misgivings about Trump @aligncare ... misgivings I had when he was a candidate ... I've come to think that your feelings about Trump's personality being a plus in the current climate have more than a grain of truth about them.
What @Jazzhead @Chosen Daughter and a few others should remember is that what they consider Trump's crude behavior is not hurting them and it's not hurting the country.
The people who are really hurt to the bone are the people I want to hurt ... the liberals and the democrats and the Hollywood types and the media.
Just remember before you cringe ... Trump is hurting them more.
Need I remind us ... the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Hate to say it but I love what I just posted to @Jazzhead even though I doubt that he loves it that much.
I just challenged him to stop begging for Trump to change and to change himself.
That just may help him realize how hard it is to change.
@Jazzhead There is no evidence on any known planet that Trump can change or that he wants to change. He will not.
The question is, can Jazzhead change? Can he put aside his revulsion at some of the things Trump says that offend him and give Trump the credit he's due?
Waiting, Jazzhead?
That was a good point.
I'd imagine that just about all of us, at one point or another, have looked at our posting style and/or things we've said, and thought "boy, I really don't like that, and I'm going to try to change that moving forward." Yet even if we actually reach that point of saying "I shouldn't have done that", it is still very hard to make such a change, and have it stick. We tend to slip inexorably back to what we've always done.
Here, Trump hasn't even gotten to the point where he thinks he's wrong. He thinks he succeeds because of his candid, shoot from the hip style, not in spite of it. And to be fair, it got him to the Presidency of the United States. He's now 72 years old, and...does anyone honestly think he's going to do that complete 180 now?
Here, Trump hasn't even gotten to the point where he thinks he's wrong. He thinks he succeeds because of his candid, shoot from the hip style, not in spite of it. And to be fair, it got him to the Presidency of the United States. He's now 72 years old, and...does anyone honestly think he's going to do that complete 180 now?
But, It's like in a family ... are you gonna let Aunt Betty ruin Thanksgiving because she always makes annoying comments. Or, are you gonna say, 'oh, that's just Aunt Betty, she's annoying but she's a good person.'
Plus...the feedback he's gotten from that approach is hardly a consistent negative. When he made the comment about Mexicans in the summer of 2015, pundits and politicians confidently predicted it would be the end of his campaign. Instead, it gave him a boost. When he came up with insulting nicknames and made insulting comments in the primaries, people again said he would lose as a result. Instead, he won the nomination. And when the pollsters and pundits were telling him the day before the election that he had no shot, and that Hillary would steamroll him, they turned out to be horribly wrong. What some of his critics need to realize is this -- the results of the 2016 election convinced Trump that he has a better handle on what the American people really think than do all his critics. If there was ever any chance that he was going to be convinced that his approach was the wrong one, that election eliminated it.
That's why I can't fathom the unsupported belief that he's going to change his approach just because the same critics keep saying the same things about him now. Heck, if the GOP gets stomped in the midterms, Trump will point out that he's more popular than Congress, and that the reason the GOP lost Congress was because they didn't support him strongly enough. And if the GOP holds on to Congress, he'll claim credit for that too. More importantly, he'll absolutely believe either alternative when he says it.
Expecting this guy to change at this point is a fool's errand.
Ryan Struykhttps://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1039899538444754944
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Should the President be impeached and removed from office or not?
(via @CNN polling)
Trump, Sept 2018
47% impeach
48% don't impeach
Obama, Nov 2014
29% impeach
70% don't impeach
Bush, Aug 2006
30% impeach
69% don't impeach
Clinton, Sept 1998
29% impeach
67% don't impeach
A fool's errand that I willingly undertake, because the stakes are far higher than Trump alone. His base may react favorably to his name-calling and bullying, but his margin of victory was secured by folks who viewed him as the lesser of two evils. Now he wants this fall's elections to be a referendum on himself. So do the Dems.
A fool's errand that I willingly undertake, because the stakes are far higher than Trump alone. His base may react favorably to his name-calling and bullying, but his margin of victory was secured by folks who viewed him as the lesser of two evils. Now he wants this fall's elections to be a referendum on himself. So do the Dems.
A fool's errand that I willingly undertake...
@roamer_1
You need a new gooroo,bubba. Principles shift according to many,many things,and is dependent on reality. Unless maybe you are willing to state you would rather see your child starve to death than steal food to feed the child.
The REALITY is that principles shift and that shift is dependent on the realities you happen to be living in at the time.
I agree generally with your point, but I think the phrasing isn't quite correct.
Principles themselves don't/shouldn't shift. But how we weigh competing moral principles may vary greatly depending upon the particular situation. For example, "telling the truth" may be a principle, but there obviously are times when lying is the more moral course because of other principles that may be implicated.
@Maj. Bill Martin
Ok,I can go along with that.
Pragmatism ALWAYS prevails over principle unless you are a fool with no interest in survival.
@Chosen Daughter
No,you are NOT. You are a follower who allows your social group to define every aspect of your thinking and life. You can not be a devoutly religious follower of ANY faith and be an independent thinker. You can be one or the other,but not both.
I am not a devout religious follower. I am a believer in Jesus Christ Savior. Religion is for people who believe they can change the Word of God with the Social behavior of the world. Just like the Republican party believes they can conform to the social norms and shift to the left for the sake of votes.
Bullshit.
YES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart. That means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.
Religion is what atheists do.
@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter
If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine. But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.
I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.
In 1944, the Allies ran "Operation Fortitude", which was nothing but a gargantuan lie -- a deception.
To you, all three are immoral because they involved dishonesty.
That's an ambiguous, one word denial devoid of any context or explanation. The coward's way to avoid taking and defending an actual position.
Honesty is a principle most of us value. But there are times when the most moral course is to be dishonest. Do you disagree?
Some of us do not subscribe to the political playbook that justifies requiring everyone to exclaim that the emperor is wearing fine clothes when he is prancing around naked.
Of course I don't disagree. The moral imperative outweighs the command. David stole the showbread... You can get your ox out of the well on the Sabbath... It does not, however change the command or principle... The principle is still true.
Where I come from, pragmatism gets you dead.
'pragmatism' is just an excuse for weakness.
The numbers may be totally faulty but I saw this tweet:
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1039899538444754944 (https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1039899538444754944)
May be total bunk. Just posting.
To you, all three are immoral because they involved dishonesty.
I disagree.
I am addressing a particular subset of people who 1) claim to support most of Trump's substantive agenda, AND 2) believe that publicly criticizing his flaws is "constructive criticism" because it will induce him to change his behavior. I believe 2) is wrong factually, and actually undermines rather than supports 1).
I believe you oppose most of his agenda...
...(you) don't really care if your criticisms help or hinder him at all. You make them for their own sake as a moral statement, without regard to their tangible effect.
In other words...this has nothing to do with you.
That was exactly the point I was making in the first place that you labelled "bullshit".
Bullshit.
What tangible results do you expect to achieve by undertaking that fool's errand?
Do you agree or disagree with my prior statement that Democrats use criticism of Trump's personal style as a tool to sabotage his substantive agenda?
If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine. But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.
I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.
I'm supporting the president and have no intention to violate any of my principals along the way.
President TRUMP is not doing anything wrong!
What tangible results do you expect to achieve by undertaking that fool's errand?
Do you agree or disagree with my prior statement that Democrats use criticism of Trump's personal style as a tool to sabotage his substantive agenda?
If joining/encouraging the public criticism of Trump when he says something stupid actually has a tangible benefit to advancing a conservative agenda, then fine. But if it does not, and such criticism actually strengthens Democrat efforts to stop his agenda, then many see such public criticisms as playing right into the hands of the Democrats.
I think that's the fault line where many conservatives/Republicans splinter on public criticism of Trump.
The 'pragmatism of the day' is precisely what erodes the Law of God.
And likewise what erodes 'We hold these truths to be self-evident....'
The imperative belongs upon the law - The principle. All too often that imperative is swung to fit a needful 'moral circumstance', and is never returned to its rightful place.
President TRUMP is not doing anything wrong!
What do the N.T.'s want? What is "presidential"? The same, smooth, lying, agenda of prior presidents?
People wanted change. WE GOT THE REAL DEAL.
I heartily agree.
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid".
I heartily agree.
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid".
President TRUMP has never said anything "stupid".
NO, principles do NOT change.
prin·ci·ple
ˈprinsəpəl/
noun: principle; plural noun: principles
1.
a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH. That means foundational. That means bedrock. Truth that is always true, and self-evidently true. That does not move. If you think it does, @sneakypete , then it is you that needs a new guru, not me.
Where I come from, pragmatism gets you dead.
'pragmatism' is just an excuse for weakness.
QuoteYES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart.
@roamer_1 @Chosen Daughter
Ok,trot your Heap Big Leader out and let us have a look at him!QuoteThat means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.
It means you are a cult member,is what it means. There is no such thing as independent thinking in ANY cult. You are all a part of the Bork,or you are not loyal and will be expelled.QuoteReligion is what atheists do.
Well,that does make as much sense as anything else you have posted today.
@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter
With all due respect, I cannot. I will call a spade a spade. And I will not sully the truth in following a man.
Rule number one: A liar is a liar, and cannot be trusted. Ergo, I cannot trust him. Not an inch.
I will give credit where it is due, but the imperative is upon the principle of the thing, and not upon the man. There is no moral imperative at work to demand otherwise.
Hate to say it but I love what I just posted to @Jazzhead even though I doubt that he loves it that much.
I just challenged him to stop begging for Trump to change and to change himself.
That just may help him realize how hard it is to change.
Of course he can change, @Maj. Bill Martin You're the one who appears to assume he's unable to grow, unable to adjust to his responsibilities as Chief Executive and Head of State in a way that doesn't piss off more than half the electorate and diminish our reputation on the world stage. Yes, he comes from a business environment where he's used to getting his way through brinksmanship, bombast and abuse. But to suggest he cannot or will not adapt is giving him far less credit than I do. Of course he can change. He's not an idiot.
He can accomplish his policy objectives without coming on like a mafia don, without taking every last criticism as license to strike back by lowering himself to the level of his critics. The stark reality is that UNLESS he changes, his policy objectives will be gone with the political winds. He won because he was lucky - the Dems nominated a true turkey to run against him. He nevertheless caught lightening in a bottle by applying his tax cut and de-regulatory impulses to an economy that was beginning to crest. He's gotten so lucky that the boom has continued notwithstanding his anti-growth policies toward immigration, and his unorthodox approach to trade. And by all lights he deserves to be rewarded for his success, but it is becoming more and more likely that it will all come crashing down instead - because Trump can't think strategically beyond his own self-interest.
You're suggesting I shut up for the good of the team. I understand the impulse, but we are still two months away from the voting and there is still time to head off disaster. I hope and pray.
Explains everything. No wonder you put all those people on ignore. You like your own posts. Carrry on.
YES, she is a follower. Of ONE. One who commands she follow no other, and be set apart. That means independent of all else. That REQUIRES independent thinking.
Religion is what atheists do.
@sneakypete
@Chosen Daughter
@roamer_1
ROFLMAO! That one has my nomination for "Funniest Post of 2018".
@roamer_1
You have clearly lived a sheltered life if you believe that nonsense.
Ok,trot your Heap Big Leader out and let us have a look at him!
It means you are a cult member,is what it means. There is no such thing as independent thinking in ANY cult. You are all a part of the Bork,or you are not loyal and will be expelled.
Me too. And I'm DONE with arguing about it.
Talk about a fruitless pursuit.
@roamer_1
And you really are a mountain man,living the life,and roaming free in the mountains,right? No degrees,no white collar jobs,house,bank accounts,retirement fund,IRA's,etc,etc,etc?
Confessing to laughing my ass off when I read that, too.
"Pragmatism can get you killed....." roamer_1
LOL! I'm convinced that @roamer_1 is pulling our legs. He's a simple contrarian who, even when covered head to toe in shit...will not say 'Uncle'. ....a real PIA. :laugh:
I am absolutely serious, @DCPatriot . Break the laws of nature and you die. Your pragmatism would cause you to cross the ice on the river because of need, and the shortest route. My principles would tell me that almost regardless of the need, you never cross the ice. Find another way.
And 9 times out of ten, you might be right, but you can only be right so long... and then you are bound to be wrong - and the consequence is always the same.
I am listening to a guy named Paulides on youtube, going on and on about the mysterious disappearances and deaths in national forests... It is no mystery to me.
There are consequences to pragmatism but there’s also consequences to sticking to your principles
I for one, @roamer_1 admire your tenacity in Life and also what you bring here, to TBR. I always attributed your clear thinking to living up there in 'Big Sky Country'.
I have to travel 150 miles west (towards Big Bend) to experience the Angels dropping matches from the sky. I miss it.
LOL! You admit that 9 out of 10 times I may be correct...but that 90% accuracy rating STILL isn't good enough for you.
My friend, that's called 'life'. You expect too much of yourself.
I know how it looks to you @DCPatriot , my friend... I know how it looks to you. But it's that tenth time that is the difference.
There are consequences to pragmatism but there’s also consequences to sticking to your principles
Yeah...but those missing people in the forest? The ones you "understand"?
Those are the ones that also refused to cross the ice "...and took the long way home". wink777
If my life has taught me anything @corbe ... It is that nothing is more important than that which you miss. A front porch with a tin roof, a dirt road, family and friends. Good work for the hands. If you miss it, go and find it, before it is too late.
Simple things.
Very gracious response, @roamer_1.
Never mentioned this before and probably shouldn't now but I walked away from a $250k per year job some years ago in order to do just that and have never been sorry for even one second.
Well, then you done better than me... The good Lord had to slap me upside the head with a 2x4 and sit me down for a decade so I could think it through.... :shrug:
Actually my wife and I had a very long discussion over breakfast one Saturday morning during which many things were discussed. About a month later God provided me with an off ramp and I took it. You should know that I understand you and sincerely pray for all your dreams to come true.
I have planned next month to take my annual trek over to the Frio River at the base of the Guadalupe Mts. Missed it last year. Great Therapy.
Did I have all that? Well yeah... for a season. Turned out it was all a lie, and gone in a flash.
No... Pretty much everyone knows my story... I am not 'roaming free', having been struck down by illness and wound up in a wheelchair. Having experienced miraculous healing by the hand of the God you deny, I now concern myself with getting my body back, and then on to being free again. I am in my sixth year coming back. A long row to hoe.
I have none of those things, except that which I will mention hereafter. All of that was lost in my illness.
I own a stickframe cabin a mile from town, it's contents, a shed out back with all my tools, an old pickup, a trailer, and a minivan. I own one account, for receiving electronic payments, and busy myself fixing computers mostly for cash... the only part of three businesses left from the previous time. The rest of it cratered when I fell ill. What little I have been able to save is in the Bank of Earth in mason jars here and there.
Other than that, I am about to close on a 20 acre piece at the end of the dirt, backed on two sides by national forest. The next step. I will be felling trees there for a cabin as soon as I can find a tractor, and build a bandsaw mill... and will hopefully be living there by the end of next summer, with a barn and another stick frame cabin... Good Lord willing, and I don't fall down again. But if I do, then the next year. It is in Yahovah's hands, and not mine.
THEN, yes... I will be back where I belong. And a long road getting there.
But what has that to do with anything here?
Thanks for sharing that @roamer_1 I am so sorry about your illness but you are obviously handling it like the strong soul you are. May God bless you and make you whole again.
Did I have all that? Well yeah... for a season. Turned out it was all a lie, and gone in a flash.
No... Pretty much everyone knows my story... I am not 'roaming free', having been struck down by illness and wound up in a wheelchair. Having experienced miraculous healing by the hand of the God you deny, I now concern myself with getting my body back, and then on to being free again. I am in my sixth year coming back. A long row to hoe.
I have none of those things, except that which I will mention hereafter. All of that was lost in my illness.
I own a stickframe cabin a mile from town, it's contents, a shed out back with all my tools, an old pickup, a trailer, and a minivan. I own one account, for receiving electronic payments, and busy myself fixing computers mostly for cash... the only part of three businesses left from the previous time. The rest of it cratered when I fell ill. What little I have been able to save is in the Bank of Earth in mason jars here and there.
Other than that, I am about to close on a 20 acre piece at the end of the dirt, backed on two sides by national forest. The next step. I will be felling trees there for a cabin as soon as I can find a tractor, and build a bandsaw mill... and will hopefully be living there by the end of next summer, with a barn and another stick frame cabin... Good Lord willing, and I don't fall down again. But if I do, then the next year. It is in Yahovah's hands, and not mine.
THEN, yes... I will be back where I belong. And a long road getting there.
But what has that to do with anything here?
roamer,
Thank you for posting. God is good! Be praying for you total healing over you. And for your land and cabin you plan on building. What an inspiration you are.
Me, too. Especially annoyed at having to argue with @Jazzhead because he, at least, respects the things Trump is doing. But he keeps wanting Trump to 'change.' and no matter how many people explain to him that Trump will not change; in fact Trump has no reason to change, he wouldn't listen to reason even when I confronted him with the fact that he, himself, will not change nor will he consider trying to change.
Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.
It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.
Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.
It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.
That is altogether too kind, @Chosen Daughter ...Knowing the row you have had to hoe, It means a whole lot. Hope things are well with you - and YES, God is good!
Yes, so far I am clear of the Cancer praise God. I give him all the glory. if it hadn't been for the strength that comes from God I probably would not be alive today. Strength to reject the chemo that would have kept me sick, and possibly led to other illness and cancers.
He directs our paths.
Thank You roamer_1
Yes, so far I am clear of the Cancer praise God. I give him all the glory. if it hadn't been for the strength that comes from God I probably would not be alive today. Strength to reject the chemo that would have kept me sick, and possibly led to other illness and cancers.
He directs our paths.
Thank You roamer_1
He'll have no "reason to change" until the dogs are staring down at him.
I'm not sure exactly what we're "arguing" about, @Emjay. We both respect Trump's policy directions (you perhaps more than me, since I disagree strongly with his attitudes toward immigration), and we both want those policy directions to continue. But I see a storm bearing down if Trump can't change and start acting like a President. Trump has his base, but hasn't extended his appeal despite the current prosperity. Carville's maxim - it's the economy, stupid - is about to proven wrong by reason of Trump's insistence that this election be about him. And there are millions who will buy the argument that a Dem Congress is needed to provide a necessary check to Trump's megalomania.
It was interesting to me that half of yesterday's letters to the editor in the Wall Street Journal commenting on the anonymous Times op-ed expressed relief that such "traitors" existed in the White House, keeping the man-child President from doing something stupid. Perhaps the subtle message is that we don't need Dems to check the President; the GOP is quietly but effectively curbing his worst impulses. And of course Trump's reaction is to go ballistic, and underscore yet again the need for there to be adults in the room.
As for me, I will vote as I always have without regard to Trump. I don't have to make a decision on him until 2020. But it is foolish, IMO, to place one's head in the sand and proclaim Trump can't change so I'd best shut my yap for the good of the team. Trump has changed as much as anyone in public life that I know. You're probably right that he won't heed well-intentioned advice, from folks who aren't his enemies. But he'll change, one way or another.
Nothing wrong with a billionaire citizen President. I hear Jeremy Diman may be thinking of challenging Trump.No doubt he has a distinctive, often brash, management style.
The problem is THIS citizen president, and his self-centered behavior, which sucks the oxygen out of the room.
No doubt he has a distinctive, often brash, management style.
Throughout history, leaders have often been those, with very distinctive, leadership styles. And very effective, too.
Trump has done MORE for the conservatives' agenda, than anybody since or probably Reagan.
Considering the ineptness conservatives had displayed getting candidates elected President, it was a wise choice to go with Trump.
BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.
I saw a live Trump rally, decided to go all in. Glad my instincts and judgment turned out to be on target.
@Jazzhead I'm sorry I argued with you because I do respect your opinions, even regarding Trump.
And apparently I cannot change your mind about expecting Trump to change so I will drop the matter.
It's all good.
We can certainly disagree about whether Trump has the inclination or willingness to recognize his own faults and change them. But one thing's for sure - unless he changes to address the concerns of those critics who otherwise be pleased to support what he's done, all the good things he's accomplished will be lost.
@Jazzhead in case your haven't noticed (I sure did), you've been pushed off the Train.
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Uh...the dogs love what Trump is doing now and would like to see more of this type of patriotic, citizen president sitting in the White House in the future.
It’s going to take a long time for the swamp to recover – if they ever can – from the two-term President Trump.
It is not about TRUMP, per se, Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS. lol. They want another pantywaist, limp wristed president?
I don't. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
No, corbe. Jazzhead is still on the train but he has to sit in the back for a while until he gets over two ridiculous notions.
One is that Trump will ruin everything if he doesn't 'change.'
Two is that Trump needs to change.
Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS.
No doubt he has a distinctive, often brash, management style.
Throughout history, leaders have often been those, with very distinctive, leadership styles. And very effective, too.
Trump has done MORE for the conservatives' agenda, than anybody since or probably Reagan.
Considering the ineptness conservatives had displayed getting candidates elected President, it was a wise choice to go with Trump.
I saw a live Trump rally, decided to go all in. Glad my instincts and judgment turned out to be on target.
BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.
What in the Sam Hill is going on around here??
The wild assertions, the claimed insight into what all these other men "really" think, the random use of bold and capitalization. I mean, you capitalize every word of "TRUMP", but don't capitalize "president?"
Either you've had too much to drink, or I haven't had enough.
I actually agree with @Jazzhead that there are things Trump should change. But the fact that you disagree kind of makes the point about why he won't. Both Trump and many others see the statements/tweets as strengths, not weaknesses. Maybe he could change if he really, really wanted to. But he doesn't want to, because he thinks that those who criticize his style are wrong, and the results of the 2016 election prove that to him. The only conceivable thing that might change his mind is actually losing an election. But if that happens...any change is moot anyway.
BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion
I agree. Why do people want to be lied to, like ALL the other politicians have done? We did not want that same-o, same-o, that got us into the mess, we are in now. It is not about TRUMP, per se, Many, many, MEN are jealous of him. It is about their ego's, not president TRUMPS. lol. They want another pantywaist, limp wristed president?
I don't. :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
BEFORE the 2016 GOP primary I often remarked in frustration on this forum, about LACK of persuasion, displayed by Republicans in general.
TOS is at 98% when they reach their quota can we trade this one back for a couple of draft picks to be determined later?Onyx please.
@Jazzhead in case your haven't noticed (I sure did), you've been pushed off the Train.
Said it in June, 2015 and I'll say it again... Donald Trump is a profound gift to the nation from God. The Man for the times.
Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.
@INVAR
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I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.
You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.
@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that. We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.
I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior. Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.
But we may both be wrong about that because Trump is NOT losing popularity; he is gaining it and his behavior hasn't changed an iota.
A lot of people think Trump is right to tweet and that he needs to tweet to get his viewpoint out daily beyond a media that hates him and lies about him constantly.
I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.
You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.
@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that. We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.
I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior. Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.
But we may both be wrong about that because Trump is NOT losing popularity; he is gaining it and his behavior hasn't changed an iota.
A lot of people think Trump is right to tweet and that he needs to tweet to get his viewpoint out daily beyond a media that hates him and lies about him constantly.
If I was still fertile I'd certainly want to have his baby, too.
Dear Lord...I said I messed up previous quote.
Then I tried to fix it. Still did not get it all. Not my words. See the poster I tried to quote, his quote. I figured people could figure it out. I guess not. Learning this site. Did not see all of the post.
@Emjay my dear, I am not trying to stir $hit up, being a regular here I have noticed @Jazzhead take a decidedly turn away from the TRUMP endearment of before the last few weeks. I like the guy regardless, but he's been catching hell now. I think it was @Maj. Bill Martin a couple of days ago that convinced me Trump ain't gonna change, accept that and move on.
I still think Jazzy has been hit in the head with too many lanterns, though. Which begs the question,Were you around Trains a lot growing up?
Did you find those Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C helpful at all? I think we talked about that some time ago.
Great to hear @Chosen Daughter!
May God continue to bless!
No, corbe. Jazzhead is still on the train but he has to sit in the back for a while until he gets over two ridiculous notions.
One is that Trump will ruin everything if he doesn't 'change.'
Two is that Trump needs to change.
That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in. By all conventional logic, the GOP should get credit for prosperity, but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems.
The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself. Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.
Your source, please. And your reasoning for why you believe it. Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.
Take a look at the root of this dynamic. For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane. Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.
If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings?
Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit?
When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.
Your source, please. And your reasoning for why you believe it. Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.
Your source, please. And your reasoning for why you believe it. Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.
Take a look at the root of this dynamic. For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane. Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.
If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings?
Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit?
When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.
I hate when you do that @corbe and you always do it.
You are trying to start trouble because you can't stand it when two members support Trump.
@Jazzhead and I are not arguing about that. We are arguing because he thinks Trump will have to change his personality or be defeated.
I would like for Trump to be more like Ronald Reagan or even George W. Bush in his personal behavior. Because I'm arguing with Jazz about this doesn't mean I wouldn't likeTrump better personally if he modified his tweets or stopped them.
@corbe @Emjay @Jazzhead
NONE of you "get it". IF Trump were to screw up and become like Reagan or that drunken cokehead homosexual from Texas,HE WOULD JUST BE ONE MORE POLITICIAN TRYING TO SWAP DEALS WITH THE DIMS.
He is PERFECT as what he is now,a NON-POLITICIAN/ANTI-POLITICIAN who doesn't give a damn whose toes he steps on or who he pisses off BECAUSE he is a Billionaire and can't be bought. BECAUSE he is a Billionaire he is NOT looking to make deals for personal advantage,or for the advantage of his big-buck supporters so he can get elected the next time.
ALL Trump cares about is his ego,and how he goes down in the history books. Will he be written off as another who compromises the nation and our way of life for personal profits and power,or will he be described as an effective President that "Made America Great Again"? That is ALL he cares about and that is WHY he "ain't playing the political game like a professional pol.
Our system has became so politically corrupted during the 20th Century do ANY of you SERIOUSLY think that "more of the same" is going to change anything?
Nope,what we need is a verbal bomb-thrower that doesn't go along to get along with the professional white collar criminals we call "politicians"
And trust me,Trump has spent his whole life having to bribe those people to get them to do what they are already being paid to do after being elected or appointed to their jobs,so chances are he is even more pissed off about all the professional corruption than any of us are.
Not only that,but he grew up hearing from his father how he and his grandfather both had to bribe public officials to get them to do the things they were already being paid to do,and how they were protected by the politicians they gave a cut of the take to.
BTW,this is one reason the professional pols in both branches of the Ruling Party hate Trump so much. They KNOW he has broken the law by paying them bribes in the past,but there is no way they can accuse him of it without admitting to guilt themselves,and they know all Trump would have to do to defend himself would be demand time on prime time tv stations to tell the public those politicians made paying them bribes a part of any deal made,and THAT is why it costs the public so much to get anything done.
A non-political president is our only hope because anyone else would make compromise after compromise to the point where all we would have is more of the same until a corporate board is appointed to run the country and voting by common people is no longer allowed.
Again more wishful thinking, without evidence. What IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.
QuoteLOL! That's one helluva spin you're throwin @sneakypete
I can lead you to water......QuoteYou are under the delusion that there is nothing in-between those two points, when there is. It's called Conservatism, and it works every time it's tried.
How would you know? You believe in miracles.QuoteAgain more wishful thinking, without evidence.
Says someone who is still upset because his alleged Republican party creature lost to Trump.
QuoteWhat IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.
Jealousy is never pretty,but rarely that out in the open and raw.QuoteLOL! More abracadabera. More likely is he has dirt on them. He's just as dirty as they are, and he has played this same game the whole time. how the hell does he come out of it with this glowing halo?
Maybe you could get your pal Jesus to come down and save us all? Or isn't he answering your phone calls? Try giving your religious gooroo more generous contributions and see if that helps.QuoteYou mean like the compromise that got us yet another massive porkulous bill? you mean like that?
Yeah,causen we all nos dat presidents bees dictators and haz total control over budgets,huh? Just how freaking old are you,anyway?QuoteRose colored glasses, the whole way Pete...
I think there is more to it than that,but I guess you could try taking them off to see if things get any clearer.
Class jealousy is just as ugly as any other jealousy.
TRUMP IS RICH AND HAS BEEN SEEN SOCIALIZING WITH OTHER RICH PEOPLE!
EEEK! EEEK! EEEK!
Said it in June, 2015 and I'll say it again... Donald Trump is a profound gift to the nation from God. The Man for the times.
Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.
I've had pictures taken like that with people my entire professional life. It doesn't mean shit to anybody who understand how business...at that level...is conducted.
I believe today, President Trump would stop to pick up Bubba....walking down a dark road in the rain.
Believe he'd drive right by Hillary and never look back.
Anybody willing to take their nose off the bark should be able to see it.
I've had pictures taken like that with people my entire professional life. It doesn't mean shit to anybody who understand how business...at that level...is conducted.
I believe today, President Trump would stop to pick up Bubba....walking down a dark road in the rain.
Believe he'd drive right by Hillary and never look back.
Well, these "ridiculous notions" will be proven or disproven definitively in less than two months. What I do know is the generic ballot question - will you vote for a Republican or a Dem for Congress - has been trending badly for the last several months. The gap between the GOP and the Dems on this polling question is currently at the widest point it's been this election cycle.
That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in. By all conventional logic, the GOP should get credit for prosperity, but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems. The same Dems that are tripping over themselves rushing to the socialist left.
The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself. Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.
@Emjay
@DCPatriot
We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth. They will spend the rest of their lives hating Trump regardless of how well he does as a president. In FACT,if he is judged to be one of the best ones,their heads will explode and they might become suicidal.
Maybe you could get your pal Jesus to come down and save us all?
Class jealousy is just as ugly as any other jealousy.
TRUMP IS RICH AND HAS BEEN SEEN SOCIALIZING WITH OTHER RICH PEOPLE!
We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth.
@INVAR
I have no use for class or caste. I actually get along better with the dirt poor rather than the snobby rich. I'm not motivated to persue money. But that said, I know quite a few self-made millionaires whom no one would even suspect their wealth. It's the character of people that I am interested in, I can care less what their class or wealth is.
Birds of a feather and all that. Craps on the entire insistence that Trump is just like us Joe Sixpacks out here.
ROFLMAO! The second quote above proves my point by contradicting every claim you made in the first one.
I can lead you to water......
How would you know? You believe in miracles.
Says someone who is still upset because his alleged Republican party creature lost to Trump.
Jealousy is never pretty,but rarely that out in the open and raw.
Maybe you could get your pal Jesus to come down and save us all? Or isn't he answering your phone calls? Try giving your religious gooroo more generous contributions and see if that helps.
Yeah,causen we all nos dat presidents bees dictators and haz total control over budgets,huh? Just how freaking old are you,anyway?
@DCPatriot
We are both wasting our time trying to reason with them. They hate rich people,and the ones they hate the most are the ones that inherited their wealth. They will spend the rest of their lives hating Trump regardless of how well he does as a president. In FACT,if he is judged to be one of the best ones,their heads will explode and they might become suicidal.
You're right, the democrats are not just moving left; they are rushing like lemmings over a cliff to be more left all the time. And not just left but crazy left.
I have no use for class or caste. I actually get along better with the dirt poor rather than the snobby rich. I'm not motivated to persue money. But that said, I know quite a few self-made millionaires whom no one would even suspect their wealth. It's the character of people that I am interested in, I can care less what their class or wealth is.
Birds of a feather and all that. Craps on the entire insistence that Trump is just like us Joe Sixpacks out here.
Christ. This idiot will have left the party, rejoined it and have died on natural causes before this train wreck thread ends.
ROFLMAO! The second quote above proves my point by contradicting every claim you made in the first one.
What IS evident is that he did indeed spend his whole life neck deep in that very effluent, among the very affluent people you claim he can't stand. He plays golf with them. He eats with them. Many of them he has known his whole life.
88devil
Threads decay after too long and this one is rotting. It's smelling up my office.
My President is fine, sorry about yours. 888mouth
Your source, please. And your reasoning for why you believe it. Maybe President Hillary Clinton's been whispering in your ear.
Take a look at the root of this dynamic. For Christsake the WP blamed the President for a hurricane. Up next on Mueller's to do list is an interview with the President's date to the senior prom.
If you really, honestly want this election to be about the economy, why don't you try spending half the amount of time talking about *this* instead of the claptrap about the President's demeanor and how it offends your oh-so-delicate feelings?
Why not try pumping up the President's agenda and accomplishments instead of tearing down the man behind the "I care so very much about our winning" bullshit?
When it comes to the problems you wring your hands over, you are ground zero.
Hey, I did say that maybe the problem was that I hadn't had enough to drink....
Well, these "ridiculous notions" will be proven or disproven definitively in less than two months. What I do know is the generic ballot question - will you vote for a Republican or a Dem for Congress - has been trending badly for the last several months. The gap between the GOP and the Dems on this polling question is currently at the widest point it's been this election cycle.
That doesn't make sense if you consider the excellent state the economy's in. By all conventional logic, the GOP should get credit for prosperity, but instead more and more appear to, at least as a generic matter, prefer Dems. The same Dems that are tripping over themselves rushing to the socialist left.
The only explanation is the unity of message between Trump and the Democratic party that this election isn't about the economy but rather Trump himself. Trump is betting his entire Presidency - and the prosperity of us all - on his selfish need for validation.
@Emjay
@sneakypete
You're a better man than I, Gunga Din!
I scroll past 90% of their posts. Only time I speak up now is when it gets too stupid. :laugh:
Threads decay after too long and this one is rotting. It's smelling up my office.
:thumbsup:
I put them on ignore. Nothing of value for me, only speaking for myself. How many times, can someone say, SUPPORT YOUR COUNTRY..SUPPORT YOUR PRESIDENT TRUMP...or you won't have a country. If they don't understand that, it is useless.
My President is fine, sorry about yours. 888mouth
And you too. Why don't you people start your own forum where you can ring each others bells.
Correct! 888high58888
He works for America and takes no pay. He could have stayed in his office, and let the country die. He certainly has enough money. Some people on here, are not logical. I want some acknowledgment too, if I worked for FREE and had LEFT, LYING MEDIA lie about me, slander me since May 2015,,and everyday 24/7! Then the jealous people on here, putting persident down, who has endured death threats, "white powder" sent, K.Griffin and her beheaded, bloody head of president TRUMP. People attacking Barron, his wife Melania, his other grown kids. Yeah, just for an attaboy ?
Media will never, never, never give president TRUMP any credit! How is he supposed to get it, and know his effort, his plans are working, if he does not ask the people, are they happy so far with his efforts. I have never understood jealously,
it is a definite LEFT trait. I see, you DO NOT HAVE IT! ^5
He works for America and takes no pay.
IKR @Chosen Daughter I couldn't get past that either in her predicable screed...
He's a Billionaire (or so he claims), yet America pays for his room and board, transportation, security PLUS enriching his Golf Courses and Hotels, even so far as charging the SS for Golf Cart Rental, oh but he does this $hit without a lousy $400k a year and I'm supposed to be impressed. :shrug:
I agree @Emjay he may well be the first President since Truman to be poorer after being POTUS and I'm hoping that he realizes his Companies, in trust, are hemorrhaging so bad that he'll decide against rerunning and go save his Empire from his kids mismanagement.
A boy can dream, right?
*We'll never know unless Pelosi subpoenas his tax returns next year.
Give it a rest @corbe He's taking no more or less than any other President. Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office. I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.
This a conservative board?
Trump is sitting at 39~45% approval and has weathered the worst hordog $hit that would have killed anyone else.
His Achilles Heel is his Finances, that's why he's expended so much Political Capital to protect them and many Briefers predicted this crap would never go away 2 years ago.
When he brought up the unreported Cruz loan from Goldman Sachs, forcing Cruz to release all his Tax returns and file an amendment with the FEC and a month later saying he would release his SOON, never happened.
*Signed,
Still Butthurt
Give it a rest @corbe He's taking no more or less than any other President. Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office. I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.
No he is not.. He is losing money. They boycotted his products. Same with Ivanka. This January, we will have saved
800 thousand dollars, by not paying Trump salary. Two years. All other presidents, took the pay. Obama made his underage daughters "ambassadors' and paid them a salary, so now they are millionaires. No Trump, receives any pay. Then Obama wanted Manchell given 10K a month, just for being first lady. They paid a dog walker 100K a year to walk the dog.
Manchell had 25 personal attendees to help her, get dressed, etc. All prior first Ladys did it, with just a handfull.
I had to stop, just makes me seethe, the injustice to president TRUMP. This a conservative board?
We know Trump was a azz to Cruz and his other primary opponents. That is nothing new. But Cruz seems to either be over it or has put it aside to advance the interests of the country.
Nobody cares about the tax returns any more, except maybe you and three other people.
I know I don't.
I certainly don't care @Emjay I think he's probably 'Toast' already with all this crap simmering in the background, which was the point I was trying to make.
Cruz is proving to be a politician after all, much to my dismay, regardless, only because of him will I show up in the Voting booth and vote straight (R), convenient huh?
IF he wasn't on the ballot I wouldn't even show, since Abbott and Paxton have it in the bag.
I agree @Emjay he may well be the first President since Truman to be poorer after being POTUS and I'm hoping that he realizes his Companies, in trust, are hemorrhaging so bad that he'll decide against rerunning and go save his Empire from his kids mismanagement.
A boy can dream, right?
*We'll never know unless Pelosi subpoenas his tax returns next year.
I agree with @LegalAmerican about Trump's motives. I think he's a true citizen-patriot who has put his fortune at risk because he thinks he knows what is best to fix the country. And that he -and his family - have endured an unprecedented shitstorm because his bark ended up catching the car.
He has faced implacable opposition that has given him no honeymoon and no quarter. And he has fought fire with fire, in the way he knows how.
The problem is that now that he has been successful, in a tangible way that has improved the economic lot of millions, he needs to consolidate what he has accomplished, not squander it. He is two months away from losing it all, folks. It is the pivot point of history that we are now in that prompts me to speak up and admonish the man to change, to act Presidential, to shine a light on the hateful assholes who dog him by exhibiting contrast, by acting better than them and appealing to our better angels rather than our prejudices and fears.
IKR @Chosen Daughter I couldn't get past that either in her predicable screed...
He's a Billionaire (or so he claims), yet America pays for his room and board, transportation, security PLUS enriching his Golf Courses and Hotels, even so far as charging the SS for Golf Cart Rental, oh but he does this $hit without a lousy $400k a year and I'm supposed to be impressed. :shrug:
@corbe
Let me see if I have this correct,ok? You want a President of the United States to not only take no pay,but to pay rent for living in the WH,pay for the food he and his family eats,pay the wages of the people who work in the WH,pay for his own transportation,pay the salary and other expenses of the WH Secret Service detail,and no doubt pay depreciation on all the vehicles uses as well as the mechanics salaries?
I would say you lost your mind,but you obviously don't have a mind to lose.
Tell me,did you make the same demands for the Bush Crime Family both times THEY lived in the WH? If not,why not? I know they aren't the evil billionaires ON PAPER that you seem to hate/envy so much,but even you have to admit they are all multi-millionaires. Even "I doan no nutting bout no banking" Neil Bush.
Your envy and hatred have really driven you insane to the point you sound like a Dim Class Warrior.
Give it a rest @corbe He's taking no more or less than any other President. Both the Clintons and Obama got rich in the office. I don't think Trump is getting rich in the office.
I certainly don't care @Emjay I think he's probably 'Toast' already with all this crap simmering in the background, which was the point I was trying to make.
Cruz is proving to be a politician after all, much to my dismay, regardless, only because of him will I show up in the Voting booth and vote straight (R), convenient huh?
IF he wasn't on the ballot I wouldn't even show, since Abbott and Paxton have it in the bag.
NBC News @NBCNews
Next Thursday, FEMA will do its first test of a system that allows the president to send a message to most U.S. cellphones.
6:00 PM - 14 Sep 2018
@corbe @2 Chosen Daughter
Let me see if I have this correct,ok? You want a President of the United States to not only take no pay,but to pay rent for living in the WH,pay for the food he and his family eats,pay the wages of the people who work in the WH,pay for his own transportation,pay the salary and other expenses of the WH Secret Service detail,and no doubt pay depreciation on all the vehicles uses as well as the mechanics salaries?
I would say you lost your mind,but you obviously don't have a mind to lose.
Tell me,did you make the same demands for the Bush Crime Family both times THEY lived in the WH? If not,why not? I know they aren't the evil billionaires ON PAPER that you seem to hate/envy so much,but even you have to admit they are all multi-millionaires. Even "I doan no nutting bout no banking" Neil Bush.
Your envy and hatred have really driven you insane to the point you sound like a Dim Class Warrior.
BTW,you do know that Billy Graham,Pat Robertson,da Pope,and every other Christian leader is stinking rich too,right?
And @corbe why would you relish (or seem to relish) Trump being toast? What do you mean by that, and what do you think will happen.
If you think Trump will be impeached, you're wrong and it would be bad for the country.
If you think Republican congressional candidates will lose because of Trump, you are wrong and, again, it's nothing to wish for.
Even Lindsey Graham has become a Trump supporter now that he doesn't have McCain to pal around with. He even said he wished McCain had been healthy enough to get to know Trump better.
Donald Trump has turned out to be the perfect President for this moment in our politics. Let’s just say that he has brought out the insane in people, perfect for setting up a lesson in compare and contrast. wink777I couldn't agree more 888high58888
It's hard to believe anyone would want to leave the GOP just as President Trump is about unleash the storm
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1040767177593372672
Oh, swell. *****rollingeyes*****
Oh, swell. *****rollingeyes*****
Please, please PLEASE give me mercy and tell me I can add him to the auto-reject list...
Nope, I tried when the big 0 was in office, and found that it is automatic and the notification setting can't be changed. Now, if you find a way around it, I would be very interested in knowing that.
Turn off the phone?
And, then how would I use it?
I was joking...
I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...
Nope, I tried when the big 0 was in office, and found that it is automatic and the notification setting can't be changed. Now, if you find a way around it, I would be very interested in knowing that.
I was joking...
I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...
And, how's it going so far?
I guess okay. I find it disturbing that I get unsolicited text messages asking for feedback everywhere I go... Go to the grocery store, get a text message asking about your visit... I've attempted to turn that off. I'm not sure I have yet or if I did what the additional consequences are.
Just turn off location... But you have to watch it... the sneaky bastards turn it back on again from time to time.
I couldn't agree more 888high58888
There's apparently more to that on an Android. Apparently it is "Wi-Fi Scanning" that needs to be turned off. That is how the stores know you're visiting and where you go in the store.
I was joking...
I've resisted being tethered to a "smart phone" for a long, long time... I just bought one a few days ago...
There's apparently more to that on an Android. Apparently it is "Wi-Fi Scanning" that needs to be turned off. That is how the stores know you're visiting and where you go in the store.
I guess okay. I find it disturbing that I get unsolicited text messages asking for feedback everywhere I go... Go to the grocery store, get a text message asking about your visit... I've attempted to turn that off. I'm not sure I have yet or if I did what the additional consequences are.
I gave you that one. 888high58888Thanx for that. For a minute I almost thought I made a good point.
In two weeks you won't be able to imagine leaving home without it.
I can sure as heck imagine it - For all the reasons it took me so long to get one, which, as it turns out, were all true. I HATE the bloody thing. But now I can't rub it off. Too many of my clients got the number now, and I have to be at the other end.
I am very sorry to tell you this, but the stores do not care. You're just not that important.
You'll live.
I don't know what your trying to say, but in fact it is the stores sending me unsolicited messages asking to rate my experience there.It's my nature said the scorpion.
So it is self evident "they care" or they wouldn't be doing it.
The only thing I'm trying to do is block their unsolicited messages. Yet you want to tell me how "you're just not that important" as some sort of ding on me for attempting to block their messages... Why are you so nasty all the time?
No, that isn't living. In fact, its a poor imitation. Since I have been 'connected', I get a butt-load of texts, but my kids have not actually been to my house a single time since... Nor have I been to my mother's but a handful of times. It serves as a poor excuse for personal interaction.
I absolutely hate the damnable thing.
I don't know what you're trying to say, but in fact it is the stores sending me unsolicited messages asking to rate my experience there.
So it is self evident "they care" or they wouldn't be doing it.
The only thing I'm trying to do is block their unsolicited messages. Yet you want to tell me how "you're just not that important" as some sort of ding on me for attempting to block their messages... Why are you so nasty all the time?
I use to only work at home so a mobile phone wasn't really needed. Now I spend part of my time at my business's office and I need it for that. I'm also really bad at time and forgetting future appointments. This greatly helps with that issue. So that's why I finally got a "smart" one.
Otherwise I really hate the tethered feeling and all my movements being tracked and recorded to target me for marketing purposes.
I've had an iPhone for years and I have gone into stores for years. I have NEVER had an unsolicited message from any establishment I've gone into. Never.
AS to why I'm so nasty all the time ... I'm not sure. I don't mean to be and I'm sorry.
But I can tell you this - If I have to put up with unsolicited texts from Tumpy the Clown, the damn thing's going in the river, I guarantee.
LOL!
I'll have to cross that bridge if I get there...
Beto sent me an unsolicited txt last night asking if I would vote for him, I replied that I'm illegal and was under the impression that Beto was the only Legal vote I could make, they responded this morning that they would make a note of that.
Shit. *****rollingeyes*****
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)
ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS
I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes. This is very, very important info. It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump.
A liar is a liar. End_of_story.
As to all the other 'before it is news' innuendo, conspiracy, and rumor - I will pay attention when there is actual evidence on the ground. Most of it, @the_doc is bullshit. Waggin tongues with nothing to back it up.
@roamer_1
Here is a suggestion. Turn the damn thing off except for when you want to make a call. That's what I do with my android phone unless I am home. You won't really miss any calls you wanted because they will be in the calls missed box when you turn it back on.
You are just too profane to take seriously. Go back to your Torah.
You are just too profane to take seriously. Go back to your Torah.
Beto sent me an unsolicited txt last night asking if I would vote for him, I replied that I'm illegal and was under the impression that Beto was the only Legal vote I could make, they responded this morning that they would make a note of that.
@sneakypete
@roamer_1QuoteI can't. When I got it, I made the mistake of letting out the number to my clients.
You can't return their calls when you turn it back on?QuoteI should have call-fwd'd my business line instead...
If you have a business line,why not just get a new phone number for your phone,and then give the biz number to the clients?
AFATG,WTH didn't you just have a cell phone for business clients and one for family and friends to start with? I have a $59.95 android LG that I use ONLY for ebay,PP, and other web deals. If I am not selling something,I leave it turned off. It is also the number I give to people I don't know who insist on having my phone number. I try to remember to turn it on once a month or so to see if I have any calls from numbers I recognize,but usually forget to check it. IIRC,it costs me around 20 bucks a month to keep it "hot",but sometimes I forget and go two or three months with it turned off and no time on the card. When I turn it back on I just buy more minutes then,and still have the same phone number.
The cell phone I carry every day is a $79.99 LG android that has my main number on it,and the only people who get that are my doctors,friends,and others that I might want to hear from occasionally. Sometimes I can go for a whole week and not hear it ring.
Beats the hell out of having somebody I barely know calling me at midnight here just to chat. I have a hard time sleeping,and am NOT amused at being awakened by a BS phone call.
QuoteIn any event, txt, and even email is a last gasp emergency method of reaching me, and since I have the damn thing, unless I am out of range, there is no reasonable excuse. If someone's system is down, they will not be forgiving otherwise.
I guess if you are on call of some sort,you have no choice,but if it were me I would still have a separate business phone. EVERYBODY needs a day off each week,even people self-employed.
On second thought, @the_doc How is it that my profanity makes you wrap yourself in 'holier than thou' when the orange clown you follow swears like a muleskinner?
I guess if you are on call of some sort,you have no choice,but if it were me I would still have a separate business phone. EVERYBODY needs a day off each week,even people self-employed.
Thank you for that. I accept.
Either you or someone else wisely configured your phone not to do that. I know both Android and Apple phones normally do receive unsolicited messages from stores when you visit (or even get close to) them. It is pretty disturbing when it happens to you.
Because Trump isn't ....................I haven't figured it out yet. But he...........doesn't need forgiveness. He is however the one God chose according to many religious leaders. Just like King Cyrus. So the prophesy says. Just read it on TBN. Or hook up with Jerry Falwell Jr. or Paula White. They can explain it. Or you can check with John Hagee who doesn't believe Jews need Jesus.
Because Trump isn't ....................I haven't figured it out yet. But he...........doesn't need forgiveness. He is however the one God chose according to many religious leaders. Just like King Cyrus. So the prophesy says. Just read it on TBN. Or hook up with Jerry Falwell Jr. or Paula White. They can explain it. Or you can check with John Hagee who doesn't believe Jews need Jesus.
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)
ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS
I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes. This is very, very important info. It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump.
***
I want to start off this post by saying that relatively few Americans (fewer than 40%) seem to have figured out where Trump really stands concerning the mess of the Deep State Swamp. Trump bashers who insinuate that he is just another part of the Swamp rank among the most confused of all, in my sober opinion.
(I will cheerfully admit that on the day of Trump’s inauguration, January 20, 2017, I felt the same way. I was as angry as my friend INVAR was, even if I was slightly less blunt than INVAR was/is with my own flamethrowing. :whistle: Over the past year, however, I have gotten completely unconfused. I hope some of my friends on TBR can have the same epiphany I have had—which is the reason for this post, of course.)
An even smaller percentage of Americans (probably fewer than 5%) have gotten even a meaningful glimmer of the Trump administration’s plans for destroying the Deep State. You will hear a lot about the Deep State on Fox News but essentially nothing about Trump’s detailed plans regarding the Deep State.
(Trump himself uses certain unorthodox communications channels [for example, the entity known as “Qanon†or simply “Qâ€, a mysterious online entity that is strangely but obviously posting in close coordination with Trump himself] to leak out certain features of his Plan; however, the leaks are carefully, even cryptically worded—ostensibly for reasons of national security or occasionally even designed as deliberate misdirection to cause confusion and/or panic on the part of the Deep State’s bad actors. The Q project, then, is essentially a military-style PsyOps project.
In other words, Q’s posts are intended to reassure thoughtful but understandably impatient conservatives that Trump does have a plan for destroying the Deep State; at the same time, Q’s posts are not designed to provide a completely clear road map, a map known to only ten souls in the entire Trump administration anyway. [As a matter of fact, the figure of ten souls is the figure revealed by Q himself, who said that all but three of the ten are members of the U.S. MILITARY.])
Shockingly few voters are aware of the Executive Orders, much less their contents, promulgated and published by President Trump in late December of 2017 (Declaration of a State of National Emergency concerning Human Rights Abuses or Corruption) and in the first quarter of 2018 (concerning protocols in the Code of Military Justice for handling lawful prosecutions of civilians). I don’t recall these EOs being even mentioned on Fox News, much less expounded for the public. For one reason or another, these obviously newsworthy Orders are taboo subjects, despite being published on the White House website.
Nota bene: The above Executive Orders are not the infamous stuff known as “Secret EOs.â€
As a related matter of the public’s uncanny ignorance concerning a now-looming wave of prosecutions, very few voters are even aware of the 50,000 sealed court orders—including sealed indictments—established in our federal court system by Jeff Sessions’s DOJ. (Yeah, Mr. Magoo has been very, very busy, despite all of the political theater surrounding him about his supposed worthlessness.) These sealed court orders, formed and sealed at a rate well over 50 times higher than ever before in American history, are listed (without explanatory details, of course) on the federal court system’s website, pacer.gov. The number is still growing at a rate of about 5,000 per month as of the last time I checked. As a matter of federal law, the orders/indictments are secret, but their existence in stunningly ominous numbers are by no means secret. Literally scores of conservative websites have talked about the sealed court orders—and you can bet that the Deep State bad actors are aware of the stuff on pacer.gov—but most conservatives are not very good web researchers, it seems.
For now, that is okay with Trump. He could talk openly about his Executive Orders concerning our State of National Emergency and about the looming wave of federal/military prosecutions against the Deep State, but that wouldn’t fit his tempo and dynamics at this time. For now, our POTUS is happy with the smaller army of hardcore zealots recruited by Qanon. (For that matter, Trump has recently started pushing Q out into the mainstream’s attention. Hilariously, that has triggered a furious onslaught of MSM attacks against Q as a LARP, as a complete fraud. Heck, it is axiomatic in war that if you catch a lot of flak, it’s because you are right over the target. [Well, not always so, but usually so.])
This brings me to my biggest shocker: Trump quite evidently was recruited to run for the White House by the U.S. military all the way back in 2015. Almost no one is aware of this military connection, but Trump’s longtime friend, Dr. Jerome Corsi--a splendid investigative journalist, a man with a strong background in intelligence, by the way, and also the author of numerous bestsellers such as Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation--says his own very highly-placed sources in our military leaked this important fact to him. As the story goes, high-ranking military officers sat down with Trump and painstakingly pieced together riveting evidence that Hillary Clinton was being tasked by a Globalist Cabal to waltz into the White House and utterly destroy the Republic—a matter of horrible death and destruction and enslavement of all survivors in full-blown Socialist tyranny (not just the “soft tyranny†that Obama had been ushering in).
Supposedly, the military officers’ meeting with Trump shocked the living daylights out of him, with his ideology hardening in Constitutional patriotism against his former social/political “friends†overnight. I believe the sobering meeting with the military leaders largely explains why Trump campaigned so vehemently against the Global Socialists in general and Hillary Clinton in particular. I believe it also explains why his White House staff is dominated by an unprecedented number of military officers. (If you don’t believe me, look at some of the White House group photo ops. The military guys and gals take up most of the slots in the staff. This has never happened before. Remember also that Q has said only ten folks are privy to THE PLAN--and seven of them are military.)
In short, I am pleased to know that Trump's very real and deadly serious War against the Deep State, a war against all enemies foreign and domestic, is being waged by bona fide warriors—by guys and gals who happen to be experts in war. And I submit that their warfare expertise largely explains why no one notices what is really happening and what will happen to America’s domestic enemies if President Trump survives 2018.)
***
To cap off this post, I urge you to read a transcript of a pretty incredible speech by Trump way back in October of 2016—a speech that shows what you need to know about him right now:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057)
It’s the only political speech that I regard as even better, even more important than Reagan’s speech nominating Barry Goldwater in 1964.
If you doubt that Trump is serious about draining the Swamp, you'd better stop scoffing at what he says in the speech he made two years ago. He has been a very busy POTUS, especially in dealing with the hassles of all-out attacks against him by America's enemies posing as America's saviors.
Anyway, whatever you think about Trump’s overall spiritual state, you can’t tell me that Trump is not a serious patriot, that he's deliberately avoiding what needs to be done. You can’t keep insisting that he’s just a New York crook, that he’s just part of the Swamp. If Trump even survives 2018, he is going to see to it that a lot of people get prosecuted and hanged---because that’s what it will take to drain the Swamp.
So, yeah, I’m the NeverTrumper who sat out the 2016 election. But I was glad to learn in November of 2016 that God had already put his Own plan in place to keep us out of Hillary’s plans. And I think God made a strangely good choice even though I think Ted Cruz was a better man overall. I’m persuaded that God would laugh and agree with me about that. Heck, I probably won’t vote for Trump next time if I don’t have to do so.
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(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)
ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS
I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes.
@sneakypete
All I can do now is get gone, out to the sticks, where the dang thing don't work... or be far enough out of town that coming back for a service call isn't reasonable. That is all they'll understand anymore. :shrug:
I'll believe it AFTER THE FACT.
Not before.
Because as we learned with repealing Obamacare - all the promises and statements made by those in DC to actually getting rid of what is heinous - amounts to a mountain of bullshit.
We get BUPKIS as far as justice and the government boot off our necks are concerned.
@roamer_1
Not true. You can buy a cheap phone,get a Trac-Phone account with a different number,and only give that number to friends and family. Preferably with a short list of friends. The casual ones can still call you on the other number,which is now your public number. Keep that one turned on,and turn the other off when you don't want to be bothered.
BTW,I only buy LG phones because they are the only ones I have found that let me receive and make calls inside my steel workshop.
I am sorry but this even makes me more worried with the Trump administration. A shadow type government working behind the scenes. A government outside the framework of elected officials? A Trump government of itself?
Backed by the military, no less. People should be careful what they wish for.
Backed by the military, no less. People should be careful what they wish for.
I guess we should be paying attention to the signs and tshirts at the Trump rallies. Another very strange conspiracy group is the God2.com blacks for Trump. Actually a murdering cult.
I am sorry but this even makes me more worried with the Trump administration. A shadow type government working behind the scenes. A government outside the framework of elected officials? A Trump government of itself?I see nothing wrong with Sasse's measures except that they don't achieve proper retributive justice for people who have been plotting together to kill America. This is why I said that Sasse's ideas are probably good maintenance therapy for America, not curative.
I will take Sasse and his drain the swamp legislation over some kind of weird behind the scenes government.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/01/we-are-q-a-deranged-conspiracy-cult-leaps-from-the-internet-to-the-crowd-at-trumps-maga-tour/?utm_term=.e2f9d2741244 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/01/we-are-q-a-deranged-conspiracy-cult-leaps-from-the-internet-to-the-crowd-at-trumps-maga-tour/?utm_term=.e2f9d2741244)
I guess we should be paying attention to the signs and tshirts at the Trump rallies. Another very strange conspiracy group is the God2.com blacks for Trump. Actually a murdering cult.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/creator-of-blacks-for-trump-is-former-member-of-murderous-cult (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/creator-of-blacks-for-trump-is-former-member-of-murderous-cult)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSU-JAjmKJjqJtNVlmBAfYedi-K9sT7zwyGFkH7zy7C-qI3ETkX-w)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS18u3_fzAPgDlwymSZ7eJz9dIMJdXKGi2tj25CR9ACFpuKAkoN)
(https://www.charismanews.com/images/stories/2016/10/Donald-Trump-Supporters-Reuters.jpg)
Go ahead give it a try. Go to God2.com
Meh.
Sorry to disappoint - but the Trump fanatics made all kinds of promises/predictions/prognostications of all the miraculous and incredible dealmaking Trump would do and accomplish the first day he stepped into the Office.
Not only did we learn that Trump was all hat, no cattle - but that his mythical prowess of deal-making was all a sham - as Trump could not even make a deal with his own party to enact his agenda (whatever that actually is). Repeal ObamaCare, The Wall, Lock Her Up - just empty slogans and rhetoric designed to hoodwink for votes - same as every other inept politician in office.
I guess you can wake us if and when Hillary/Comey/Strozk, Lerner/Obama et., al. with the host of the vile criminal cabal in D.C. that would be the targets of all these secret "sealed" indictments are in orange jumpsuits awaiting arraignment on charges.
Until then - I do not believe any of the claims being made that the "Deep State" actors are about to get drained from "the swamp". Nope.
I'll believe it AFTER THE FACT.
Not before.
Because as we learned with repealing Obamacare - all the promises and statements made by those in DC to actually getting rid of what is heinous - amounts to a mountain of bullshit.
We get BUPKIS as far as justice and the government boot off our necks are concerned.
Indeed! We are already as close to a banana republic as I ever want us to come.
I want to date a Hooters Girl, too and Good Luck with that #walkaway, Black Thing @the_doc and granted he needs desperately to expand his base, but I don't think it will make up for the White Conservatives he's been hemorrhaging, since Day One.
I rule nothing out with President Trump, the Brilliance nor the Failures. He is a Ol Man, stuck in his ways, not unlike me.
Survivors, we are, in spite of the adversity.
(Back to a more serious note on this thread.)
ATTENTION ALL TRUMP BASHERS
I would urge all of my Trump-bashing friends on TBR to come up to speed as to what President Trump is doing behind the scenes. This is very, very important info. It may cause a lot of Trump bashers to re-think everything concerning their animosity toward Trump.
***
I want to start off this post by saying that relatively few Americans (fewer than 40%) seem to have figured out where Trump really stands concerning the mess of the Deep State Swamp. Trump bashers who insinuate that he is just another part of the Swamp rank among the most confused of all, in my sober opinion.
[snip]
An even smaller percentage of Americans (probably fewer than 5%) have gotten even a meaningful glimmer of the Trump administration’s plans for destroying the Deep State. You will hear a lot about the Deep State on Fox News but essentially nothing about Trump’s detailed plans regarding the Deep State.
(Trump himself uses certain unorthodox communications channels [for example, the entity known as “Qanon†or simply “Qâ€, a mysterious online entity that is strangely but obviously posting in close coordination with Trump himself] to leak out certain features of his Plan; however, the leaks are carefully, even cryptically worded—ostensibly for reasons of national security or occasionally even designed as deliberate misdirection to cause confusion and/or panic on the part of the Deep State’s bad actors. The Q project, then, is essentially a military-style PsyOps project.
In other words, Q’s posts are intended to reassure thoughtful but understandably impatient conservatives that Trump does have a plan for destroying the Deep State; at the same time, Q’s posts are not designed to provide a completely clear road map, a map known to only ten souls in the entire Trump administration anyway. [As a matter of fact, the figure of ten souls is the figure revealed by Q himself, who said that all but three of the ten are members of the U.S. MILITARY.])
Shockingly few voters are aware of the Executive Orders, much less their contents, promulgated and published by President Trump in late December of 2017 (Declaration of a State of National Emergency concerning Human Rights Abuses or Corruption) and in the first quarter of 2018 (concerning protocols in the Code of Military Justice for handling lawful prosecutions of civilians). I don’t recall these EOs being even mentioned on Fox News, much less expounded for the public. For one reason or another, these obviously newsworthy Orders are taboo subjects, despite being published on the White House website.
Nota bene: The above Executive Orders are not the infamous stuff known as “Secret EOs.â€
As a related matter of the public’s uncanny ignorance concerning a now-looming wave of prosecutions, very few voters are even aware of the 50,000 sealed court orders—including sealed indictments—established in our federal court system by Jeff Sessions’s DOJ. (Yeah, Mr. Magoo has been very, very busy, despite all of the political theater surrounding him about his supposed worthlessness.) These sealed court orders, formed and sealed at a rate well over 50 times higher than ever before in American history, are listed (without explanatory details, of course) on the federal court system’s website, pacer.gov. The number is still growing at a rate of about 5,000 per month as of the last time I checked.
As a matter of federal law, the orders/indictments are secret, but their existence in stunningly ominous numbers are by no means secret. Literally scores of conservative websites have talked about the sealed court orders—and you can bet that the Deep State bad actors are aware of the stuff on pacer.gov—but most conservatives are not very good web researchers, it seems.
For now, that is okay with Trump. He could talk openly about his Executive Orders concerning our State of National Emergency and about the looming wave of federal/military prosecutions against the Deep State, but that wouldn’t fit his tempo and dynamics at this time. For now, our POTUS is happy with the smaller army of hardcore zealots recruited by Qanon. (For that matter, Trump has recently started pushing Q out into the mainstream’s attention. Hilariously, that has triggered a furious onslaught of MSM attacks against Q as a LARP, as a complete fraud. Heck, it is axiomatic in war that if you catch a lot of flak, it’s because you are right over the target. [Well, not always so, but usually so.])
This brings me to my biggest shocker: Trump quite evidently was recruited to run for the White House by the U.S. military all the way back in 2015. Almost no one is aware of this military connection, but Trump’s longtime friend, Dr. Jerome Corsi--a splendid investigative journalist, a man with a strong background in intelligence, by the way, and also the author of numerous bestsellers such as Unfit for Command and The Obama Nation--says his own very highly-placed sources in our military leaked this important fact to him.
As the story goes, high-ranking military officers sat down with Trump and painstakingly pieced together riveting evidence that Hillary Clinton was being tasked by a Globalist Cabal to waltz into the White House and utterly destroy the Republic—a matter of horrible death and destruction and enslavement of all survivors in full-blown Socialist tyranny (not just the “soft tyranny†that Obama had been ushering in).
Supposedly, the military officers’ meeting with Trump shocked the living daylights out of him, with his ideology hardening in Constitutional patriotism against his former social/political “friends†overnight. I believe the sobering meeting with the military leaders largely explains why Trump campaigned so vehemently against the Global Socialists in general and Hillary Clinton in particular. I believe it also explains why his White House staff is dominated by an unprecedented number of military officers. (If you don’t believe me, look at some of the White House group photo ops. The military guys and gals take up most of the slots in the staff. This has never happened before. Remember also that Q has said only ten folks are privy to THE PLAN--and seven of them are military.)
In short, I am pleased to know that Trump's very real and deadly serious War against the Deep State, a war against all enemies foreign and domestic, is being waged by bona fide warriors—by guys and gals who happen to be experts in war. And I submit that their warfare expertise largely explains why no one notices what is really happening and what will happen to America’s domestic enemies if President Trump survives 2018.)
***
To cap off this post, I urge you to read a transcript of a pretty incredible speech by Trump way back in October of 2016—a speech that shows what you need to know about him right now:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057 (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/14/knowing-what-we-know-now-we-must-remind-ourselves/#more-154057)
It’s the only political speech that I regard as even better, even more important than Reagan’s speech nominating Barry Goldwater in 1964.
If you doubt that Trump is serious about draining the Swamp, you'd better stop scoffing at what he says in the speech he made two years ago. He has been a very busy POTUS, especially in dealing with the hassles of all-out attacks against him by America's enemies posing as America's saviors.
Anyway, whatever you think about Trump’s overall spiritual state, you can’t tell me that Trump is not a serious patriot, that he's deliberately avoiding what needs to be done. You can’t keep insisting that he’s just a New York crook, that he’s just part of the Swamp. If Trump even survives 2018, he is going to see to it that a lot of people get prosecuted and hanged---because that’s what it will take to drain the Swamp.
So, yeah, I’m the NeverTrumper who sat out the 2016 election. But I was glad to learn in November of 2016 that God had already put his Own plan in place to keep us out of Hillary’s plans. And I think God made a strangely good choice even though I think Ted Cruz was a better man overall. I’m persuaded that God would laugh and agree with me about that. Heck, I probably won’t vote for Trump next time if I don’t have to do so.I do not think that Cruz had the temperament and a lot of other God-given qualities that are essential for the role Trump is playing. God did NOT make a mistake. HE gave Trump the genetics, rearing and conditioning preparing him for this role at this time. You can criticize GOD'S choice, if you wish. But I don't recommend it.
@aligncare
@Sanguine
@Xena Lee
@Smokin Joe
@Chosen Daughter
@INVAR
@Bigun
@bigheadfred
@corbe
@Frank Cannon
@Emjay
@musiclady
@Catherine of Aragon
@Victoria33
@DB
@roamer_1
@Quix
@GourmetDan
@txradioguy
@Jazzhead
@rangerrebew
@Liberty bele
@GrouchoTex
@IsailedawayfromFR
@LegalAmerican
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia
@Mesaclone
@Maj. Bill White
Indeed! We are already as close to a banana republic as I ever want us to come.
You are just too profane to take seriously. Go back to your Torah.
OK, Qanon from FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/03/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory-group-showing-up-to-trump-rallies.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/03/what-is-qanon-conspiracy-theory-group-showing-up-to-trump-rallies.html)
I will take that as your apology in advance. But I'm sure you will want to renew it in public based on the grace that will surely flood your soul. :pondering:
That's a fairly mild hit piece by agents of the cabal's MSM.
Much of it is grossly false to greatly distorted.
It really is true that Q-Anon is a group of mostly military intel folks with 3 civilians working very closely with Trump in a very critical mass education psy-op to help prepare the populace for massive arrests--many well known idols.
Any narrative that denies that or is contrary to that is a load of oligarchy cabal sponsored BS.
Well at the very least I have learned a lot tonight. That Trumps base is conspiracy theories. That Qanon which I never knew about exists here on TBR.
How is it folks fail to realize how very very VERY close we were to satanic, satan worshiping literal witch Hitlery being CINC?
Well at the very least I have learned a lot tonight. That Trumps base is conspiracy theories. That Qanon which I never knew about exists here on TBR.
Maybe because we're all 'disbelieving, smug, self-righteous, arrogant and otherwise contrarian naysayers' because we require proof. *****rollingeyes*****
I want to date a Hooters Girl, too and Good Luck with that #walkaway, Black Thing @the_doc and granted he needs desperately to expand his base, but I don't think it will make up for the White Conservatives he's been hemorrhaging, since Day One.
@corbe
You people are neither political nor social conservatives. You are religious zealots that worship a leftist deity. I understand you THINK this makes you conservative because you refuse to question dogma,but the truth is the direct opposite. You need a master and rules to follow,or you just ain't going to be happy.
@corbe
You people are neither political nor social conservatives. You are religious zealots that worship a leftist deity. I understand you THINK this makes you conservative because you refuse to question dogma,but the truth is the direct opposite. You need a master and rules to follow,or you just ain't going to be happy.
QuoteI would say the ones who need a master are the Trump cultists.
@Applewood
Of course you would.QuoteGod is a leftist? Hardly. I think He is the ultimate conservative.
ROFLMAO! Have you not read his instruction manual? He is the original Communist.
QuoteThe pope and those who claim to represent Him might be lefties,but He is not.
Un,huh.QuoteI don't criticize you for not believing. Why do you feel the need to bad mouth those who do?
I am not criticizing you or asking you to not believe. I am just identifying you.QuoteReally, man, you don't understand those who believe in God, so how about laying off something and Someone you don't really know?
We've had some threads here that wander in and out of StupidLand, but this one has achieved permanent resident status. Congrats everyone.
We've had some threads here that wander in and out of StupidLand, but this one has achieved permanent resident status. Congrats everyone.
Really ... I checked back in to see what people could possibly still be saying and that was a big mistake.
Someone needs to burn this thread and sand the ground.
Wow, I guess Trump really had a reason to fake his friendship with that pedophile guy Jeffrey whatever his name was.
Jeffrey Epstein. Nice rant. It reflects my incredulity and frustration.
(https://www.storemypic.com/images/2016/11/03/billy-currington-god-is-great-beer-is-good-and-quote-on-storemypic-b87c0.png)
Jeffrey Epstein. Nice rant. It reflects my incredulity and frustration.
(https://www.storemypic.com/images/2016/11/03/billy-currington-god-is-great-beer-is-good-and-quote-on-storemypic-b87c0.png)
One of many sources:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983)
One of many sources:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983)
Maybe because we're all 'disbelieving, smug, self-righteous, arrogant and otherwise contrarian naysayers' because we require proof. *****rollingeyes*****
He [President Trump] can say what HE wants vs have the talking heads mangle it. True, he could sometimes be more refined and even a bit more circumspect on some topics and in some situations.
@Quix said:
Yes, agreed and probably most of his supporters would also agree. But, none of us, I suspect, would want to throw out the baby with the bath water as so many of Trump’s misguided conservative critics here seem so determined to do.
Yeah.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though.
A lot of the contrarian naysayers seem to demonstrate a ton of psycho-dynamic crap pretending to be righteous skepticism.
Periodically, I get my fill of that junk and don't care to bother that much with them for however long.
They don't seem to care about the evidence. Every shred of evidence is twisted & mangled into their construction on reality. Don't confuse them with facts.
They are addicted to an OCD level to paranoia about committing a false positive error. They pretend to be quite super rational in demanding a "scientific," laboratory, Supreme Court level of "proof." Yet, they show about 0.0001% understanding of the scientific fact that such an extreme addiction to fear of committing a false positive error leaves them stacking up tons of probability to the point of certainty that a slew of false negative errors will bite them in their rears.
Ahhhh wellll. So be it.
Those who are resistant to being teachable; resistant to being fair-minded; resistant to thinking outside their usual tidy little boxes will eventually experience their share of being wrong.
They seem to claim that their dyed-in-the-wool skepticism is righteously and objectively originated. Nonsense. It is psycho-dynamically generated and maintained. It is their deeply entrenched defense against their own anxieties about potentially being seen as wrong about anything.
Anyway . . . imho.
Thanks for your kind post. Most of the nonsense on this thread that goes for such 'astute & discerning' skepticism is farcical, imho.
Thank you, Quix.
I don't understand the mindset that believes my support of a president, as personally flawed as he may be, who is finally beginning to turn the ship of state in the right direction is somehow indicative of some moral deficiency on my part. Its ridiculous and I've stopped trying.
Yeah.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that, though.
A lot of the contrarian naysayers seem to demonstrate a ton of psycho-dynamic crap pretending to be righteous skepticism.
Periodically, I get my fill of that junk and don't care to bother that much with them for however long.
They don't seem to care about the evidence. Every shred of evidence is twisted & mangled into their construction on reality. Don't confuse them with facts.
They are addicted to an OCD level to paranoia about committing a false positive error. They pretend to be quite super rational in demanding a "scientific," laboratory, Supreme Court level of "proof." Yet, they show about 0.0001% understanding of the scientific fact that such an extreme addiction to fear of committing a false positive error leaves them stacking up tons of probability to the point of certainty that a slew of false negative errors will bite them in their rears.
Ahhhh wellll. So be it.
Those who are resistant to being teachable; resistant to being fair-minded; resistant to thinking outside their usual tidy little boxes will eventually experience their share of being wrong.
They seem to claim that their dyed-in-the-wool skepticism is righteously and objectively originated. Nonsense. It is psycho-dynamically generated and maintained. It is their deeply entrenched defense against their own anxieties about potentially being seen as wrong about anything.
Anyway . . . imho.
Thanks for your kind post. Most of the nonsense on this thread that goes for such 'astute & discerning' skepticism is farcical, imho.
To both of you, @Quix @skeeter :beer: :patriot:
The subtext in all of this Trump hysteria is the future of America. Are we living the founders’ vision of America in the 21st century? If not, what are we doing as patriotic Americans to get back to it?
Donald Trump, flawed as he is, as a citizen and now as president has given every indication he understands we’re in a bad place as a nation and is taking steps to move America towards the American principles given us in the United States constitution.
I will never understand the point of criticizing him for normal human sexual behavior in his younger days when the core of his presidency is about doing the right thing for Americans now. I don’t get that?
@Quix said:
Yes, agreed and probably most of his supporters would also agree. But, none of us, I suspect, would want to throw out the baby with the bath water as so many of Trump’s misguided conservative critics here seem so determined to do.
Yeah. I'm strongly with you on that score.
The morality, imho, is firmly on the side of the one seeking God's help in trashing the horrific evils saturating our government and other institutions.
However, "Christianity" has a history of leaving lots of bodies on the field from 'friendly fire.'
To both of you, @Quix @skeeter :beer: :patriot:
The subtext in all of this Trump hysteria is the future of America. Are we living the founders’ vision of America in the 21st century? If not, what are we doing as patriotic Americans to get back to it?
Donald Trump, flawed as he is, as a citizen and now as president has given every indication he understands we’re in a bad place as a nation and is taking steps to move America towards the American principles given us in the United States constitution.
I will never understand the point of criticizing him for normal human sexual behavior in his younger days when the core of his presidency is about doing the right thing for Americans now. I don’t get that?
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago? It was not in his youth. It occurred during this 3rd marriage.
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago? It was not in his youth. It occurred during this 3rd marriage.
@Sanguine
So what? Who died and made you the National Moral Matron?
Unless you are Roy Moore.
Then, it's open season.
If you're Trump - what happened yesterday can no longer be considered. It is what he says and does right now, in this moment that matters. Not what he said and did 30 minutes ago.
@Sanguine
So what? Who died and made you the National Moral Matron?
You got a problem with facts, @sneakypete, or you just spreading your version of sunshine today?
Go back and read the comment I quoted and was replying to if this confuses you.
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago? It was not in his youth. It occurred during this 3rd marriage.
Did it bother you that Bill Clinton was doing the deed with babes in the Oval Office?
So what? We elected him to lead the nation, we did not elected him to be the Pope.
Don't even use my comment to riff on Roy Moore. Not the same situation at all.
So what? We elected him to lead the nation, we did not elected him to be the Pope.
@jpsb
And you just put your finger on why they hate him. If not the Pope,maybe Jimmy Swaggart or Pat Robertson. Like Muslims wanting to live in Muslim nations under Islamic Law,they want to live in a Christian Nation ruled by Christian dictates.
Which means individual freedoms are the last thing they want. What’s
they want is obedience.
Ummm, wasn't l'affaire de Stormy just a few years ago? It was not in his youth. It occurred during this 3rd marriage.
Hypocrisy is.
Trump fanatics tell us that what Trump did in his "youth" is immaterial to his character because 'every male in history does it".
But, when a Moore is accused to trying to court and date young women some 40 years ago - why, he's a pedophile unfit for consideration.
There was zero documentation from 40 years ago that Moore did anything improper.
Irrelevant.
It is the seriousness of the charge that matters.
Unless you are Trump and you bragged about it.
Then it is okay and a positive attribute of how great he is at 'winning'.
Perhaps it is that I am a scientist, a skeptic, or perhaps it is the 'Doubting Thomas' in my nature, but I want proof. The best proof will be seen hanging from gibbets and adorned in orange coveralls and stainless chains.
Always have to bring Trump into it. You truly are an asshat.
No, as long as no felonies are committed I don't give a damn.
It's actually not about Trump at all.@INVAR
It's actually about you people...A standard that cannot in any capacity, maintain liberty or allow it to exist.
Is that another Thread Lock I'm smelling?
Other than on this board I do not hear a lot of anti trump posturing from the Christian community.Its those in the party trump threw out of the wheelhouse who are his loudest critics.
@INVAR
I don’t know why they refuse to see it. We’ve only said it 18000 times on this forum. The problem isn’t trump...it’s the sycophants who view him as a savior and are willing to give it all away to prove themselves right.
@Sanguine
Just trying to bring a little reality into your imaginary world.
So what? We elected him to lead the nation, we did not elected him to be the Pope.
Hypocrisy is.
Trump fanatics tell us that what Trump did in his "youth" is immaterial to his character because 'every male in history does it".
But, when a Moore is accused to trying to court and date young women some 40 years ago - why, he's a pedophile unfit for consideration.
QuoteIrrelevant.
It is the seriousness of the charge that matters.
Is that another Thread Lock I'm smelling?
It's actually not about Trump at all.
It's actually about you people.
It's about a debased and debauched culture and society that has become of itself, the new moral standard.
A standard that cannot in any capacity, maintain liberty or allow it to exist.
What the heck does that have to do with what I said? Sheesh. Y'all need to take a break.
Is that another Thread Lock I'm smelling?
It's actually not about Trump at all.
It's actually about you people.
It's about a debased and debauched culture and society that has become of itself, the new moral standard.
A standard that cannot in any capacity, maintain liberty or allow it to exist.
@INVAR
ROFLMAO! The Morality Police preaching to us about "truth,justice,and the 'murikan way"! and telling us "in slavery there is freedom!"
@INVAR ...You have a fierce need not to be wrong. As evidenced by your penchant of responding to each sentence, you have to have the last word on anything/everything.
I hope so. It's far outlived it's usefulness.
Yup.
Whatcha gonna do about it?
I advise putting me on ignore.
Of course not.
So you will not mind when I laugh at you if and when you and yours become outraged or upset when Democrats in office lie.
After all, lying is not a felony and a person with a habit of doing so is to be trusted - if they make the right promises and are in the right party.
As one of your compatriots on this board has insisted, we should expect our rulers to lie to us - because it keeps us safe from ugly truths.
You betcha.
While I am a willing slave to Christ and biblical morality - you sir are a slave to men, their lawlessness and debauchery. You will have no liberty.
You will have freedom... for a time. Until consequences make those chains you wear exceedingly uncomfortable.
Democrats lie pretty much every time they open there mouths. One reason I detest Democrats.
Democrats lie pretty much every time they open there mouths. One reason I detest Democrats.
@INVAR
See how much you and Marx have in common? Not to mention Hitler? "There is freedom in obedience!",huh?
The hypocrisy is amazing...
Just to be fair I don't like Rs that lie either. McCain and W Bush being a prime examples. I do not see@jpsb
Trump as anywhere near as big a liar as the McCains and Bushes. I've never been a fan of GOPe
Then given the lack of standards that we are being told that we should embrace because we are not voting for priests of popes - would it not follow your logic that because morality and character is irrelevant in choosing your leaders, that we should vote for bigger liars and more egregious cretins because they are far more trustworthy?
Of course I realize that this only applies to Republicans, because we must unify around OUR scoundrel and liar. However, we must ALWAYS rail against the Democrats who do the same thing (only better) than your party liars do.
@jpsb
So it’s a matter of degrees? Ok then. Would you care to enlighten us as to what is the threshold for how many lies is too many?
When you lie to take the country to war I have a serious problem with you. Then it comes to lies it's@jpsb
quality not quantity that counts.
@jpsb
All other lies are on the table then?
When you lie about the size of your dick, how much money you have or how many women you've
bedded I don't give a shit. But if your lies adversely effect me or the county you've crossed a line.
If Colombo had waited for your criteria of proof, he'd never have solved a single case.
There's quite sufficient evidence for every statement I made.
As will be made clear, in due course.
I realize no amount of personal first person testimonies (whether 5, 8, 12 or a 100) matter a gnat's fart's worth to a lot of hyper-rationalist-laboratory-proof types.
LOL!
We got ourselves a 'real' Judge Roy Bean here, ladies and gentlemen.
To him, there is no law and order amongkillers and thievesliars and adulterers...or the people that vote for and support them.
@INVAR ...You have a fierce need not to be wrong. As evidenced by your penchant of responding to each sentence, you have to have the last word on anything/everything.
The video would show the President saying he loves puppies...and you'd post that he hates kittens.
And I must mention I am post #744 in a thread about Senator Sasse. He must be interesting enough to generate that many posts and over 8,000 reads. The thing about Sasse is you can be assured he isn't chasing conspiracy theory. That he understands how evil government is and actually prays for change. A person who will work within the confines of the Constitution of which he swore to uphold.
When you lie about the size of your dick, how much money you have or how many women you've
bedded I don't give a shit. But if your lies adversely effect me or the county you've crossed a line.
Well since it is claimed that Trump is leading some kind of Qanon in Gods name I must say I am instructed in the Bible to have righteous skepticism.
This all started during the campaign with someone who claimed God had chosen Trump. He caused the miracle of Trump to be elected.
Did he orchestrate Trumps lying about Cruz and his family? Did God do that? Did he instruct Trump to have Pecker run a story about Cruz and women? Did he do that? Did God have to have Trump lie to win the election? Did he have Trump try to cover up his escapades with the women by paying them hush money? God is dishonest and he was worried Trump couldn't win if he was honest?
Does God direct Trump to tweet about his own appointments? To say people are good when they are corrupt? (Manafort).
I have been told that Trump and his Qanon government are going to make arrests and some scary stuff is going to unfold in the next few week, and to watch for it (without being anxious). Makes me think of Nazi Germany. Hitler talked about God a lot too. If anything does happen it better be in line with Constitutional law.
LOL!
We got ourselves a 'real' Judge Roy Bean here, ladies and gentlemen.
To him, there is no law and order amongkillers and thievesliars and adulterers...or the people that vote for and support them.
@INVAR ...You have a fierce need not to be wrong. As evidenced by your penchant of responding to each sentence, you have to have the last word on anything/everything.
The video would show the President saying he loves puppies...and you'd post that he hates kittens.
So, what would you have us do @Sanguine ? Throw away this successful Presidency? Spend our time tearing down the POTUS instead of supporting and helping him?
History is replete with courageous leaders who are flawed men. Another example that springs to mind is Benjamin Netanyahu. Here is a man who has been championed as not only courageous, but the "true leader of the free world". But if Israelis had followed the lead of so many here, he would have died a political death because he did not measure up to their principles and sense of morality.
Bibi, too, had three wives. The first, Miriam, was his "soul mate". They married and lived in the US while they were in school. While she was pregnant with their daughter, he began an affair with a British woman, Fleur, living in MA and attending the same university--they met in the library. Miriam found out, kicked his ass to the curb and took their daughter, Noa, back to Israel.
Bibi continued the affair with Fleur eventually bringing her to Israel where she converted to Judaism and they married. Fleur was sent packing when Bibi realized voters were less than enthralled with his British, formerly Christian wife.
Bibi played the field, as they say. He was dating several women including Ruth who has been described as an attractive, sophisticated woman working in political public relations. Another was a flight attendant, Sara, he met on a flight to Israel. Sara was the antithesis of Ruth and was on her way out when she became pregnant.
It took Sara more than six months and the threat of going public and damaging his political momentum for her to get Bibi under the Huppah. Sara was home taking care of their toddler son when hell broke loose with the news that there was an "indelicate" video of Bibi and Ruth --- an affair he never ended.
Bibi went in front of the cameras and gave his "I have sinned" speech, Sara stayed with him after extracting promises and arrangements whereby she essentially knew everything he was doing and would never, ever again let him out of her sight. To this day she travels with him, even on day trips, attends his meetings, "reviews" his meeting schedules and reminds flight attendants that all questions to the PM are to come through her; not one of them is to speak directly to him.
Does any of Netanyahu's history change your opinion of him. Or are you able to accept that he is a flawed soul doing great things for his nation?
No @Quix , there's not. That's why all this is found on tinfoil-hat sites, and buried three layers deep on reddit, instead of on any sort of main-stream sites. And somewhere behind those quivering 'spidey-senses' of yours, you have to know that.
I am not asking for anything extraordinary. Just actionable proof. Like with anything else. And until there IS proof, why should I sign on, when there is nothing to do except running frantically hither and thither casting insults on people for not being true believers? What the hell is it that you want from me anyway?
And the brilliant irony of it all: You have known me a long time. And you know that outside of this episode, there is likely no one here that knows this stuff, and is more in alignment with your general position than I am. Who else here has torn down Satanic ritual sites? who else has broken their idols? Who else can find a witch's talisman in a church, and would even know what they are looking at?
Yet that is not enough for you, anymore. If I don't fall in line behind your orange superhero, I am treated as a heretic - BY YOU, of all people. Your arrogance has made you blind. I am DONE with it. *****rollingeyes*****
And IF it is made clear, THEN I will change my position, with good cause. And that with nothing lost.
Horsecrap. Pure and simple. I don't believe there are bigfoot because of the gazillions of kook sites foisting 'facts'. I believe there are bigfoot because I have stuck my fingers in his track. That's all the proof I need, and I don't give a shit what anyone else believes. And that ain't nothin but proper.
Same dang thing here. Period. Normal, ordinary, actual PROOF. Sign on the ground. Till then, it's nothing more than fear porn.
Yeah, baby! That’s the nub of it all.
If the president ain’t breaking laws in office or reneging on promises he made to get my vote, who cares if his favorite restaurant is McDonald’s or Taco Bell’s.
People who lie about "unimportant" things, things there was no need to lie about, will lie about important things too. Even more so. Lying just becomes a tactic in perusing their goals, big or small.
Apparently to a whole lot of Christians, these words of Jesus no longer applies:
"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whomever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much." - Luke 16:10
Illustrates how far both Conservatism and Christianity has fallen in this country.
BTW, I don't tend to toss particularly closer friends aside merely because they don't measure up to my standard of righteousness. I give my friends the freedom to be themselves, flaws and all.
The hell you say. What you have done to your BROTHERS right on this thread is unconscionable, and not uncommon since you have ventured into this subject. Read your own damn words and see how much projecting is going on.
Like I said, I AM DONE.
@Quix and @the_doc both.
Call me when all this crap finally resolves and maybe we can reconcile somehow. Otherwise, Leave me the hell alone.
//END
It is a fascinating tactic being used here, when Christians condemn other Christians for not agreeing that morality and integrity no longer matter in our leaders, for not changing standards that any Bible believing Christian believed wholeheartedly before now.
I am in the group whose integrity is being questioned BY CHRISTIANS because I still believe in integrity.
And we wonder why the country is in such a mess.... **nononono*
@roamer_1
It is a fascinating tactic being used here, when Christians condemn other Christians for not agreeing that morality and integrity no longer matter in our leaders, for not changing standards that any Bible believing Christian believed wholeheartedly before now.
I am in the group whose integrity is being questioned BY CHRISTIANS because I still believe in integrity.
And we wonder why the country is in such a mess.... **nononono*
@roamer_1
It boggles me, @musiclady , it really does. I have not changed - Not a whit. I stand on the very same ground I have always stood upon. :shrug:
We're condemning the suffocating sanctimony. We're sick and damned tired of the virtue signaling...suggesting that your rigidness is solid ground...a hill worth dying upon.
...all because you cannot force yourself to admit that we're so GD lucky to have this man guiding/leading the nation.
@roamer_1
A lot of us have...and that's what I think riles some of us here the most when we get branded as closet democrats...Hillary supporters and worse.
We're sick and damned tired of the virtue signaling...
It is a fascinating tactic being used here, when Christians condemn other Christians for not agreeing that morality and integrity no longer matter in our leaders, for not changing standards that any Bible believing Christian believed wholeheartedly before now.
I am in the group whose integrity is being questioned BY CHRISTIANS because I still believe in integrity.
And we wonder why the country is in such a mess.... **nononono*
@roamer_1
@jpsbOkay swami. I'm thinking of a number between zero and the national debt. What is it? I just want to see how good you really are at mind reading, because you're doing one hell of a lot of it here.
And you just put your finger on why they hate him. If not the Pope,maybe Jimmy Swaggart or Pat Robertson. Like Muslims wanting to live in Muslim nations under Islamic Law,they want to live in a Christian Nation ruled by Christian dictates.
Which means individual freedoms are the last thing they want. What they want is obedience.
@Quix
Well said!
We're condemning the suffocating sanctimony. We're sick and damned tired of the virtue signaling...suggesting that your rigidness is solid ground...a hill worth dying upon.
...all because you cannot force yourself to admit that we're so GD lucky to have this man guiding/leading the nation.
No.
What you are sick of and cannot stand, is virtue itself.
Unless it comes from the mouth of the man you have made your prince.
Fitting skepticism is one thing.
Haughty, hostile, prissy, Pharisaical self-righteous-fierce-judgmentalism because another Christian doesn't meet your criteria of righteousness is something different.
It is enough for me that he has been under a high quality discipleship mentoring program for 10 years or so. And, I've seen his humility deepen even just in the last year or so.
Uhhhh,
1. Mark Taylor began having prophetic things from The Lord about Trump a year or 2 before Trump ran. Kim Clement had similar messages from God several years before Trump ran. There is a smattering of other folks who had prophetic msgs from God about Trump's Presidency as many as 5, 10, 20 or more years ago.
The Bible says let a matter be established by 2-3 witnesses, IIRC.
I don't claim that Trump has been flawless in his public speaking etc. However, even on the issue of honesty--imho, he's several hundred percent more honest than the others in his role during my lifetime. Reagan might have been an exception, most of the time. Yet, Reagan was a globalist stooge, too. Not very honest, that.
Y'all seem to have assumed that your criteria of righteousness as you apply it to Trump is identical to God's criteria for Trump at this time. I don't see it that way.
I actually think you are more vulnerable to judgment from God for working against His anointing of Trump than Trump is vulnerable to judgment about his sloppy speaking habits.
I've never known a President to be so meticulous about keeping his campaign promises. No one else comes close. Even the next 5 closest combined would not match Trump on that score.
Some folks claim that Trump everything that Trump has said publicly has proven true. I don't know. I haven't checked such things out.
I just know his character; that he's a work in progress like all of us; that he has a heart for God (wants to be known as the most praying President) and a heart for the hurting, poor, marginal in society and a heart for The Republic. I know he gave up a lot for a thankless job with constant danger of being killed (at least 12 major assassination attempts so far--including a missile fired toward AF1).
I don't have any trouble giving him my full support. imho, anyone who doesn't give him their full support is working against what God is doing with him.
Compared with literal witch Shrillery, there is NO COMPARISON on morals or honesty etc. We elected a President, anyway--not a pure-as-the-driven-snow preacher--though I don't know any preachers like that, either.
I don't believe a lot of the noise about Trump's ancient history. Even if true, his earnestly working to walk every closer to God the last 10 years as attested to by those who have been praying weekly with him and helping disciple him are far more trustworthy and far more accurate about who Trump is currently.
If folks tacked you to your sins from earlier in your life--I gather you'd be delighted?
I think you are pharisaic-ally arrogantly assuming a ton of stuff.
1. I think Trump prefers to take people at face value until they prove otherwise. You are assuming he knows everything about someone & their history. Nonsense.
2. I still pray for The Lord to bless him with more and more humility. Some of his trumpeting his own success etc. are earnest efforts to get folks on board against the treasonous DIMRATS. I would still prefer that others in the admin did that but I can accept Trump doing it without consigning him to hell for doing it.
God have mercy. May God speak to you very clearly about how off the rails you are on such scores. Your postings demonstrate to me you seem to have very little clue about the huge task Trump has taken on and the intensity of the evils involved.
But go ahead and throw rocks at him. We'll see how God responds to you regarding that habit.
There's more damnable liberal-speak.
Virtue IS the only hill worth dying on. Without integrity there is no truth. You will not like where that ends up.
Without integrity is no truth.
Plenty of truth in that.
However, the deceptive seduction is that integrity filled behavior MAKES us righteous.
From there it is a short jump to ranking ourselves and others on a scale of righteousness/integrity.
THAT is UNBiblical, seductive, pernicious, self-righteous, hypocritical, Pharisaical, . . . hostile to the teachings and lives of Christ and Paul.
THAT is part and parcel akin to the haughtiness toward Trump on this thread.
Christ fiercely castigated the Pharisee who prayed, "Lord, God, I thank you that I'm not like this {low integrity} Publican over there."
The Publican prayed "Lord, God, be merciful to me a sinner."
Program a computer 100% objectively to analyze the posts on this thread. Which sentences do you think the computer would identify as closest to the attitude and spirit of the Pharisee's prayer?
Without integrity is no truth.
Plenty of truth in that.
However, the deceptive seduction is that integrity filled behavior MAKES us righteous.
From there it is a short jump to ranking ourselves and others on a scale of righteousness/integrity.
THAT is UNBiblical, seductive, pernicious, self-righteous, hypocritical, Pharisaical, . . . hostile to the teachings and lives of Christ and Paul.
THAT is part and parcel akin to the haughtiness toward Trump on this thread.
Christ fiercely castigated the Pharisee who prayed, "Lord, God, I thank you that I'm not like this {low integrity} Publican over there."
The Publican prayed "Lord, God, be merciful to me a sinner."
Program a computer 100% objectively to analyze the posts on this thread. Which sentences do you think the computer would identify as closest to the attitude and spirit of the Pharisee's prayer?
I don't think that describes @DCPatriot at all.
Sigh.
Thanks, @Quix !
Without integrity is no truth.
Plenty of truth in that.
However, the deceptive seduction is that integrity filled behavior MAKES us righteous.
From there it is a short jump to ranking ourselves and others on a scale of righteousness/integrity.
THAT is UNBiblical, seductive, pernicious, self-righteous, hypocritical, Pharisaical, . . . hostile to the teachings and lives of Christ and Paul.
THAT is part and parcel akin to the haughtiness toward Trump on this thread.
Christ fiercely castigated the Pharisee who prayed, "Lord, God, I thank you that I'm not like this {low integrity} Publican over there."
The Publican prayed "Lord, God, be merciful to me a sinner."
Program a computer 100% objectively to analyze the posts on this thread. Which sentences do you think the computer would identify as closest to the attitude and spirit of the Pharisee's prayer?
Ain't that the fact... and that by our 'betters' that have cast all principle aside.
Oh, OK but I don't want to hear you say anything about those dimrats anymore. If we are going to talk about integrity it has to be equally applied. You can't say that I should not judge Trump or any of his thug friends, appointments and lawyers. Any of the polticians he supports and they fall short in righteousness. It appears the swamp is deep and wide from right to left.
and that by our 'betters' that have cast all principle aside. . . .
ACCORDING TO YOUR most exalted, paragon, pristine, omniscient Pharisaical JUDGMENT!
IF and when God comes down in a burning bush declaring that your JUDGMENT is the only judgment that counts in this situation, I'll give it more weight.
and that by our 'betters' that have cast all principle aside. . . .
ACCORDING TO YOUR most exalted, paragon, pristine, omniscient Pharisaical JUDGMENT!
IF and when God comes down in a burning bush declaring that your JUDGMENT is the only judgment that counts in this situation, I'll give it more weight.
@Quix
Memory is so fickle, which is why I made this post:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)
If you missed it back when, it is a list of promises made during the campaign, compiled in the day.
Many of the most important promises remain unfulfilled, notably, Hillary in irons, the wall, and the repeal of the ACA, which were signature promises.
While some good has been done, it's like going to a soiree and having some fun, but not getting to dance with your date. Those were, credibly, the promises he rode into office. Lets see if he makes good on them.
Sadly, Planned Parenthood, that purveyor of fresh baby parts, is not only still in business but getting Federal funding....
THAT'S part of my main point . . . that y'all are NOT applying your prissy, narrow, rigid, haughty, .... 'integrity' judgment anywhere close to equally, even-handedly to Trump.
When you have helped insure all the baby child rapists sacrificing them to satan get their just punishment, etc. etc. etc., THEN it might be time to rant pontifically about the one working so hard to put such people off the streets and in prison.
I could somewhat understand your fiercely, reflexively going for the jugular of a baby rapist cannibal.
Your rage against one of the MOST clean living, higher integrity major big businessmen in NYC is . . . somewhat off the wall.
You've put your faith in Trump publicly. You claim he was put there by God and is doing God's work. Somehow Obama wasn't though...
Time will reveal who was the fool is here soon enough.
I'll wait.
Do you REALLY think that the illegal immigrant, globalist shill, repeatedly hyper-treasonous, thoroughly financially greedy and corrupt, child sex abusing satanist OBummer has enough redeeming social value to show his face in public?
God have mercy.
Okay swami. I'm thinking of a number between zero and the national debt. What is it? I just want to see how good you really are at mind reading, because you're doing one hell of a lot of it here.
I have had good things to say about the good things Trump has done.
But I am not under the illusion that he is any Saint, or the "anointed of God", but rather a human who puts his pants on from the big end like everyone else. It is no less annoying for people to whip out the worship bit on Trump than it was to have pictures of Obama with a halo. All bullshit to me.
We'll see what he gets done. Like every POTUS, his final grades will be in retrospect. Still, keep it legal, Constitutional, and hang those Communist bastards, after a fair trial, of course.
I really like this post. Good job.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/jeffrey-epstein-trump-lawsuit-sex-trafficking-237983)
Sadly, Planned Parenthood, that purveyor of fresh baby parts, is not only still in business but getting Federal funding....
If you want blood sacrifice to point to, there are some 60,000,000 dead, and that's just the babies.
Do you REALLY think that the illegal immigrant, globalist shill, repeatedly hyper-treasonous, thoroughly financially greedy and corrupt, child sex abusing satanist OBummer has enough redeeming social value to show his face in public?
God have mercy.
No, @Quix - According to the Principles of Conservatism. Name a single ONE that is found in Tumpy's administration, without fail.
You cannot.
Like I said, leave me be. Whatever is left between us is shred even further by your every post.
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What a grossly
misleading title.
Sheesh!
Thanks, @Quix !
Take it outside gentlemen. This is an article about Ben Sasse and his feelings about the Republican Party.
Do you REALLY think that the illegal immigrant, globalist shill, repeatedly hyper-treasonous, thoroughly financially greedy and corrupt, child sex abusing satanist OBummer has enough redeeming social value to show his face in public?
God have mercy.
Sooooooooooooo, because Trump only managed to get 80-90+% of his goals out of a very contentious mess of a Congress shortly after his reign began,
And, he is laboriously cleaning out the corrupt courts so the white hats CAN SUCCESSFULLY deal with the evil doers. You seem to think that should have been done overnight, if not instantly.
Yet, You think you are full of integrity to trash him up one side and down the other because he was not a sufficient miracle worker to get 100% out of congress critters--many of whom are still sold out to the satanic globalists.
How magnanimous of you.
Take it outside gentlemen. This is an article about Ben Sasse and his feelings about the Republican Party.
Woot! StupidLand reopen for business.
You do know that Sasse farted at his uncles funeral and he thinks Cap'n Crunch is a Communist conspiracy to make kids bad spellers.
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Do you REALLY think that the illegal immigrant, globalist shill, repeatedly hyper-treasonous, thoroughly financially greedy and corrupt, child sex abusing satanist OBummer has enough redeeming social value to show his face in public?
Waving a clipboard and calling for more citizen activism, former president Barack Obama returned to the campaign trail Saturday, reprising his role as the Democratic Party’s biggest star at a California rally for seven U.S. House candidates.
Former President Obama will make his first campaign appearances of the 2018 midterm cycle in the coming weeks as he travels to Ohio and California to back Democratic candidates attempting to unseat Republican incumbents.
Former President Obama will stop in Philadelphia next week to campaign for Pennsylvania’s gubernatorial and Senate candidates, the Pennsylvania Democratic Party announced Friday.
What a Biblically FAITHFUL friend FULL of integrity you are! /sarc
Woot! StupidLand reopen for business.
@RoosGirl
Why is Woot stupid? I've gotten good deals from them on the rare occasions I bought from them. Most recently I got a hell of a deal on a dozen new Fruit of the Loom t-shirts.
BTW,I wasn't aware they had gone out of business.
@sneakypete
Pete, Pete, Pete. Come on, son, get with the times. "Woot!" is the new "awesome!" or "cool!" or "hot!". Now, go and be woot with the rest of us wooters.
@sneakypete
Pete, Pete, Pete. Come on, son, get with the times. "Woot!" is the new "awesome!" or "cool!" or "hot!". Now, go and be woot with the rest of us wooters.
Nope. Spelled with zeros, and an obligatory exclamation point (w00t!), usually repeated twice (w00t! w00t!) it is duffer computer geek speak... From about the same era as 'L33t', meaning 'geek or hacker elite'
I am a duffer and a geek, and i use w00t all the time.
Meh, that old nonsense gets recycled all the time. I hear shag carpet is back in too.
So are dreds and armpit hair to go along with the tats.
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Yeah, isn't that what I said?
Meh, that old nonsense gets recycled all the time. I hear shag carpet is back in too.
Look dear, upstairs is bad enough - I hate the idea to having to parse your observation to downstairs parts.
Eww, gross. I do NOT observe others' downstairs parts. Like you said, the upstairs is bad enough. They can't just be satisfied with being hairy bleep hippies.
Enough with your bullshit. Time to get this thread back on topic. Woot is dated. It's what hip hoppers said in 1994.
Shag carpet is dated too, but here we are.
Shag carpet is dated too, but here we are.
First of all bitch, it's called Frieze Carpeting and it is a hell of a lot more timely than dropping "Woot" in your posts. Next you will be posting threads about the Macarena craze sweeping the country.
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WTF? Everyone knows that The Shiggy is the latest dance craze, you old bastard.
First of all bitch, it's called Frieze Carpeting and it is a hell of a lot more timely than dropping "Woot" in your posts. Next you will be posting threads about the Macarena craze sweeping the country.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/565833472/hFB4506A7/)
I think that's a "Woof woof".
Are you shitting me? Getting Shiggy With It is at least 20 years old. Get your brain out of the 90's you fruitloop....
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Oh, kiss Will Smith goodnight, call the nurse for your Dulcolax pill, shut up and let us fine bitches dance.
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Well I know some ladies used to find him attractive, but I never saw it. Rather surprised you are one of them though.
You earned a special place in hell with that comment.
Better watch it @Frank Cannon , she'll get you with her whip.
I don't know if that is a bad thing. Have you seen my updated avatar?
Better watch it @Frank Cannon , she'll get you with her whip.
Better watch it @Frank Cannon , she'll get you with her whip.
Darn straight.
Frank's wet dream:
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Oh, kiss Will Smith goodnight, call the nurse for your Dulcolax pill, shut up and let us fine bitches dance.
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@Once-Ler
Um wow...I think you pegged this one about 180degrees out of phase. Sasse was elected in 2015. Do a YouTube search for “Ben Sasse Kavanaugh hearing†and see if that strikes you as a deep stater. Pretty much the only “conservatives†who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.
@Once-Ler
Um wow...I think you pegged this one about 180degrees out of phase. Sasse was elected in 2015. Do a YouTube search for “Ben Sasse Kavanaugh hearing†and see if that strikes you as a deep stater. Pretty much the only “conservatives†who criticize Sasse are members of the trump fanboy club because he has on occasion criticized trump.
I still maintain that there will be a huge number of arrests--including Hillary, Obama, Podesta, Abedin, et al --but these will have to wait until after the election.
@Axeslinger
I sometimes say stuff that is clearly untrue to see if Trumpers have any shame and will call me on it. They don't
*yawn*.
Wake me if there are actual indictments.
Until then, I am not holding my breath.
The lawless are above the law as has been demonstrated over and over and over and over and over again.
'Laws' are only for us little people to make sure we are kept down and in our place. The Ruling Class has no law, except that which they render to those they rule.
Not true @Axeslinger . Sasse has been widely criticized and for good reason. He's all about Sasse and has no interest in furthering the interests of Trump or the Republican Party. He seems to dream of being an independent candidate. He has no allies in the Senate.
He's constantly saying stuff to get a rise out of people.
There's a reason for that, @Once-Ler . Most people don't bother to read your posts.
There's a reason for that, @Once-Ler . Most people don't bother to read your posts.But I know who does baby. 888heartkitty
In my post #691 on this thread, I laid out my understanding of what Trump was/is planning. I am now adjusting my own prediction with respect to some of the timing issues.
I formerly believed that massive arrests would start before the election. Unfortunately, miscellaneous delays have cropped up to make such a sweep politically untenable or even illegal under the Hatch Act (which forbids certain actions by most government officials if they could be construed as attempts to affect an election).
I still maintain that there will be a huge number of arrests--including Hillary, Obama, Podesta, Abedin, et al --but these will have to wait until after the election. We are now too close to the election for an October Surprise. It would be more like a November Surprise.
In my post #691 on this thread, I laid out my understanding of what Trump was/is planning. I am now adjusting my own prediction with respect to some of the timing issues.
I formerly believed that massive arrests would start before the election. Unfortunately, miscellaneous delays have cropped up to make such a sweep politically untenable or even illegal under the Hatch Act (which forbids certain actions by most government officials if they could be construed as attempts to affect an election).
I still maintain that there will be a huge number of arrests--including Hillary, Obama, Podesta, Abedin, et al --but these will have to wait until after the election. We are now too close to the election for an October Surprise. It would be more like a November Surprise.
@the_doc
Jesus is coming in November...got it.
@the_doc
Jesus is coming in November...got it.
Something like that. That's why I don't have an exact date for you.
Then again, maybe December (or January, when the new court martial rules for civilians take effect).
Sasse is a Never Trumper all along, just like that IDIOT Kasich in Ohio. That man was once a good politician with what I thought was a good future, and now he is a total kook. Sasse is not to far off the mark from Kasich. Two rotten peas from the same pod, and believe me, Americans will remember both men denigrating this president, who well may become the greatest president in our history.
That's right, the greatest president. Trump has dealt with storng opposition from both parties, and total opposition from the corrupt media. And despite all this opposition, he has managed to accomplish more in two years than any other president in my 65 years on this planet.
He has rough edges, and I just don't care. I want results, and he is producing them. On the other hand, the abdicative Democommies who have resisted every step of the way have proven their worth, NOTHING!
Sasse and Kasich really burned their bridges when they donated to the campaigns of Clinton(s) and Dirty Harry.:rolling:
Sasse and Kasich really burned their bridges when they donated to the campaigns of Clinton(s) and Dirty Harry.
The party should never expect that any Senator be loyal if they have strayed from the meaning of Republican. The problem is business as usual and the swamp. One thing I can say for Sasse is his passion for swamp draining. And there are mere talkers and people who actually put action to words.
The party should never expect that any Senator be loyal if they have strayed from the meaning of Republican. The problem is business as usual and the swamp. One thing I can say for Sasse is his passion for swamp draining. And there are mere talkers and people who actually put action to words.Not to be nit-picky, but it sure seems the 'meaning of Republican" has changed a bit since Barry Goldwater, and even since Reagan. My views on issues haven't changed, but the Party has moved well to the Left, trying to keep pace with the leftward drift of the Communists and totalitarians on the Left to 'get the moderate vote'.
Not to be nit-picky, but it sure seems the 'meaning of Republican" has changed a bit since Barry Goldwater, and even since Reagan. My views on issues haven't changed, but the Party has moved well to the Left, trying to keep pace with the leftward drift of the Communists and totalitarians on the Left to 'get the moderate vote'.
I started out well in the bell curve of Republican views, but the curve has shifted until I'm a couple of standard deviations from the mean.
Yeah right. Evidence please!@Chosen Daughter
No offense intended, but IMHO Senator Sasse has no idea what it will really take to drain the Swamp. (For that matter, I don't even think Mark Levin knows what needs to be done right now. We need hundreds or even thousands of arrests and prosecutions right now.)
@Once-Ler
Whose that in your Avatar?
@Once-Ler@LMAO
Whose that in your Avatar?