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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: EC on March 28, 2017, 06:59:39 pm
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US President Donald Trump says he does a lot of business on the golf course, after all, he's spent eight of 10 weekends in office on the green.
But his golfing diplomacy has come at a price, with the Secret Service spending almost US$17,000 (NZ$24,000) in the past two months on hiring golf carts at the President's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, receipts show.
The transactions were published by a CNN reporter showing three instances of "golf cart rental for POTUS visit" on February 2, March 2 and March 3 totalling US$16,685 (NZ$23,673).
There is also another charge for equipment rental of US$8000 (NZ$11,351).
More: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/03/golfer-in-chief-17k-bill-for-secret-service-golf-cart-rentals.html
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If true - screw that. Guy OWNS the damned place, he can let the SS ride for free.
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...and now, he is blowing Obama out of the water in terms of how much time he spends golfing.
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Don't give a damn if he golfs 24/7.
Charging the SS for golf cart use though? That's cash from the taxpayer straight into his own pocket. There is NO justifying or rationalizing that.
Though I will be amused at anyone's attempt.
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Trump is making a lot of money off the backs of the taxpayers
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Don't give a damn if he golfs 24/7.
Charging the SS for golf cart use though? That's cash from the taxpayer straight into his own pocket. There is NO justifying or rationalizing that.
Though I will be amused at anyone's attempt.
he charges the SS rent too
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Trump is making a lot of money off the backs of the taxpayers
Hey stupid. More evidence you don't read the articles. Golf Car and Utility Vehicle Distributors LCC were the people who got the money. Obviously the SS is renting equipment from outside vendors for whatever reason.
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Don't give a damn if he golfs 24/7.
Charging the SS for golf cart use though? That's cash from the taxpayer straight into his own pocket. There is NO justifying or rationalizing that.
Though I will be amused at anyone's attempt.
Frank Cannon explained it and I hope he amused you.
Why do presidents play golf anyway? What an awful game.
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Hey kiddies. This is fake made up news. The source of this shitty slam piece article written by a retarded monkey is an open Leftists twitter feed. Nathaniel Meyersohn is a 4 year old childlike snowflake who works at CNN....
https://twitter.com/nmeyersohn
Worst President ever LBJ apparently gives him a hard on too.
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Hey kiddies. This is fake made up news.....
Actually, no, it is real news. The story is accurate and they even show the invoices. Even as you pointed out in a comment above, the article states who the money is going to. It went off track in this thread with the question if the President was charging it- he wasn't, a third party was and the article states as such.
So the news is truthful.
Is it newsworthy? Well, as I posted in the tweet from Trump prior to being president and I can find a lot of articles and comments from people here on the subject when Obama was President- the amount a President golfs apparently is an important issue to this president and members. So for those involved, based on history, it is newsworthy.
Unless, of course, our opinions are different on what happens, not because of specifically what happened, but if we like the person who is doing it or not.
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Actually, no, it is real news. The story is accurate and they even show the invoices.
You may think they are real, but I don't. Some openly Leftist hacks twitter account is now considered verified news? I'll pass.
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You may think they are real, but I don't. Some openly Leftist hacks twitter account is now considered verified news? I'll pass.
https://app.oneteam.net/Profile/golf-car-utility-vehicle-distributors-llc-6F9A9
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You may think they are real, but I don't. Some openly Leftist hacks twitter account is now considered verified news? I'll pass.
Can you point to the specific part of that story that isn't real? They do show documentation, which is the same documentation shown from other sources. That documentation also links directly to the US government source. The claims made in the article also are backed up by the documentation provided. https://www.usaspending.gov/transparency/Pages/RecipientProfile.aspx?DUNSNumber=961243701&FiscalYear=2017#PrimeData
The article doesn't make really any major opinion or outrageous statements.
It is easy to throw out 'fake news' at things we don't like just like it is easy to blindly follow articles we do like. The real skill is to dig into each to find the truth, not just knee jerk.
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https://app.oneteam.net/Profile/golf-car-utility-vehicle-distributors-llc-6F9A9
Great. You just showed your comment in post three that Donny is bilking taxpayers for some sort of golf rental is absolute bullshit. You have also shown that the govt' rents a bunch of equipment from this outfit for the last 5 or so years. Other than that this shows me nothing.
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Don't give a damn if he golfs 24/7.
Charging the SS for golf cart use though? That's cash from the taxpayer straight into his own pocket. There is NO justifying or rationalizing that.
Though I will be amused at anyone's attempt.
Are you still amused at me showing you that this is all poorly sourced story based on garbage which you obviously didn't bother looking into?
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Yes. Your wiggling is amusing.
First it's fake news, then it's attack the writer, now it's actually look at the story.
Tell me - does Mar a Lago not have it's own golf carts? Seems a strange golf course that doesn't.
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Yes. Your wiggling is amusing.
First it's fake news, then it's attack the writer, now it's actually look at the story.
Tell me - does Mar a Lago not have it's own golf carts? Seems a strange golf course that doesn't.
Actually, outsourcing cart rentals for larger clubs is pretty common here. It is cost effective for high volume golf resorts to pay for one of these providers to do all the maintenance, rental, repair, etc, versus hiring a larger staff in-house to do all that.
I suspect this company probably does it for a dozen resorts in the area.
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Yes. Your wiggling is amusing.
First it's fake news, then it's attack the writer, now it's actually look at the story.
Tell me - does Mar a Lago not have it's own golf carts? Seems a strange golf course that doesn't.
Perhaps they don't meet the requirements of the Secret Service?
You would think a golf cart is a golf cart, but federal contracting is its own little world.
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Yes. Your wiggling is amusing.
First it's fake news, then it's attack the writer, now it's actually look at the story.
Tell me - does Mar a Lago not have it's own golf carts? Seems a strange golf course that doesn't.
Frank, get your message across without personal attacks.
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The government dumps millions down the drain on the most asinine things everyday and here we are arguing about a few grand spent on golf carts. *****rollingeyes*****
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Why do presidents play golf anyway?
Privacy.
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How come no one ever brought up how much Obama's constant golfing cost the taxpayers?
How much did HIS holes cost the taxpayer in golf cart rentals, spa baths, condoms and lubricant?
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@EC
I knew he would bleed us dry of money we don't have. It is all about him and family and always was. We will be supporting all of them for four years. The "family's" trip to ski last weekend had to cost us mega bucks to house all the secret service and equipment, read there was 100 SS on that weekend, to keep them all "safe".
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@geronl
Sorry Frank Cannon called you, "Hey, stupid."
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Don't give a damn if he golfs 24/7.
Charging the SS for golf cart use though? That's cash from the taxpayer straight into his own pocket. There is NO justifying or rationalizing that.
Though I will be amused at anyone's attempt.
Yet he'll get a pass from the very same people who bashed Slow Joe Biden for charging the SS protective detail rent to live in the guest cottage at his residence in DE when he would go there.
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How come no one ever brought up how much Obama's constant golfing cost the taxpayers?
How much did HIS holes cost the taxpayer in golf cart rentals, spa baths, condoms and lubricant?
Most of the time he did his golfing at either Andrews AFB or at Ft Belvoir so the cost was pretty low for cart and green fees...IF they even charged him.
The real PITA about him golfing there was the fact that they shut down the ENTIRE course and so if you were a regular soldier or airman that had a tee time...tough excrement...you weren't getting near the course until Big Ears was done.
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How come no one ever brought up how much Obama's constant golfing cost the taxpayers?
How much did HIS holes cost the taxpayer in golf cart rentals, spa baths, condoms and lubricant?
See the tweet from Trump himself upthread.
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If this was Obama this would this would be a topic on talk radio for days on end, Fox would be covering it hourly, there would be a ton of posts here and on other forums condemning him for the waste of tax payer dollars.
Since its Trump.....its fake news... :whistle:
This illustrates why I never listen to talk radio, watch Fox, or make more than a passing comment on the political threads here. The country has systemic problems that can only be solved by serious individuals committed to returning this country to traditional Conservative values. Frankly, I have very little confidence that most of the current crop of individuals calling themselves conservative are up to the task.....as they are proving themselves to be partisans rather than Conservatives...
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I don't care if it is outsourced. If Donald wants to go golfing at his golf courses every week he should buy a couple golf carts for secret service and himself. If my neighbor can buy one Donald can.
Its disgusting to me that he has to go here and there every weekend. Costing more than the 17 thou for the carts. They are only a tiny portion of the money he spends every weekend.
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How come no one ever brought up how much Obama's constant golfing cost the taxpayers?
How much did HIS holes cost the taxpayer in golf cart rentals, spa baths, condoms and lubricant?
Ouch! Seriously, we did make fun of Obama's golf playing and he made it easy with the sissy pictures but how does Obama's golf expense compare with Trump's? Anybody know?
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I don't care if it is outsourced. If Donald wants to go golfing at his golf courses every week he should buy a couple golf carts for secret service and himself. If my neighbor can buy one Donald can.
Its disgusting to me that he has to go here and there every weekend. Costing more than the 17 thou for the carts. They are only a tiny portion of the money he spends every weekend.
I'm amazed that Trump spends so much time at the White House. I never thought he would move in. He's got some funny little fetishes. It's really hard for him to sleep in a bed that's not in Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago.
Maybe we should praise him for the 5 nights at the White House.
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I'm amazed that Trump spends so much time at the White House. I never thought he would move in. He's got some funny little fetishes. It's really hard for him to sleep in a bed that's not in Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago.
Maybe we should praise him for the 5 nights at the White House.
You go ahead.
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I don't care if it is outsourced. If Donald wants to go golfing at his golf courses every week he should buy a couple golf carts for secret service and himself. If my neighbor can buy one Donald can.
Its disgusting to me that he has to go here and there every weekend. Costing more than the 17 thou for the carts. They are only a tiny portion of the money he spends every weekend.
Seriously, it's an interesting topic. I'm guessing there's no law about how much a president can spend on personal trips that cost the taxpayers a lot of money because of security issues, etc.
I was thinking about what presidents were high maintenance and what were low. On the way back machine, I would guess that Harry Truman was very low maintenance. Franklin spent much of his time at that place I can't think of. George HW went to Kennebunkport but it was probably an easy place to defend.
Clinton really had nowhere to go... I mean, who would want to vacation in Arkansas but I'd have to look it up. I don't remember him making a lot of trips.
Obama ... who knows. He golfed a lot and went to basketball games. He had those pretty, pretty boys that he called friends but they probably didn't cost much. He and Michelle were notorious for taking separate planes to Hawaii on occasion.
It would be an interesting research topic.
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@geronl
Sorry Frank Cannon called you, "Hey, stupid."
But you don't have a problem that his post was a lie. I see where you stand. Bash Donny even if it is an outright lie. Solid ground you're standing on there "Principled Conservative".
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You go ahead.
Maybe I will. Before Trump was nominated I said he would never move into the White House. He had a fetish about sleeping in his own bed and because he had his own plane, it was no problem for him to return nightly from wherever he was speaking.
But he did move into the White House and I think he usually spends 5 nights there. I could be wrong about that.
But, look, we elected a guy with a lot of personal issues and that's what we have. I don't know that constant dwelling on them is doing anybody much good unless it is personally satisfying to you.
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Hey stupid. More evidence you don't read the articles. Golf Car and Utility Vehicle Distributors LCC were the people who got the money. Obviously the SS is renting equipment from outside vendors for whatever reason.
http://government-contractors.insidegov.com/l/562947/Golf-Car-And-Utility-Vehicle-Distributors-LLC-in-Miami-FL (http://government-contractors.insidegov.com/l/562947/Golf-Car-And-Utility-Vehicle-Distributors-LLC-in-Miami-FL) It isn't the first time the government has used this vehicle provider, they go back a while to 2014. Company overview:
http://listings.findthecompany.com/l/20238047/Golf-Car-And-Utility-Vehicle-Distributors-Llc-in-Miami-FL (http://listings.findthecompany.com/l/20238047/Golf-Car-And-Utility-Vehicle-Distributors-Llc-in-Miami-FL)
Whether they pay the Resort a cut of the profits or a flat rate to set up shop at Mar-a-Lago or rent carts from offsite to patrons, I don't know. I would presume as a vendor, if onsite, they pay some sort of rent or have a contract with the resort to provide services like most any concession outfit.
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Yet he'll get a pass from the very same people who bashed Slow Joe Biden for charging the SS protective detail rent to live in the guest cottage at his residence in DE when he would go there.
I didn't know or had forgotten about Biden's charging the SS for his guest cottage.
I think Trump will have to up his game to be more corrupt than that.
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I don't care if it is outsourced. If Donald wants to go golfing at his golf courses every week he should buy a couple golf carts for secret service and himself. If my neighbor can buy one Donald can.
Its disgusting to me that he has to go here and there every weekend. Costing more than the 17 thou for the carts. They are only a tiny portion of the money he spends every weekend.
On the plus side, Trump just saved the coal industry. Maybe worth more than the bucks spend on golf weekends.
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I don't care if it is outsourced. If Donald wants to go golfing at his golf courses every week he should buy a couple golf carts for secret service and himself. If my neighbor can buy one Donald can.
True enough, but if you buy them, you have to maintain them, including having some place to store them, someone to make sure the tires are up and the batteries charged, etc.
When you need something now, sometimes it is cheaper to rent it than own it. It depends on how often you use it. But tag the taxpayer for the tab for that, and there will be howling, too.
Note that this company has been renting golf carts to the Government since 2014, and you will see the practice isn't new. Its disgusting to me that he has to go here and there every weekend. Costing more than the 17 thou for the carts. They are only a tiny portion of the money he spends every weekend.
Most of us don't go flitting around the country. However, billionaires and millionaires are somewhat notorious for living differently than most of us. Some here will look at 17K as enough money to pay the bills for a few months, for a billionaire, it is pocket change. When was the last time we elected someone who 'got by' on less than a six figure salary (inflation corrected to 2017 dollars)?
While not being a fan of Trump, at least he isn't living significantly differently than he would have had he not been elected, unlike the previous golfer in the White House.
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I didn't know or had forgotten about Biden's charging the SS for his guest cottage.
I think Trump will have to up his game to be more corrupt than that.
Presidents have charged the Secret Service rent for a long time. nothing new
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Crazy as it sounds, it would probably be a violation of appropriations law for the Secret Service to use the carts without paying. Donated items like this augment the appropriation that funds the Secret Service.
The bigger issue for me is Trump's rank hypocrisy given the grief he gave other presidents about their R&R.
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Crazy as it sounds, it would probably be a violation of appropriations law for the Secret Service to use the carts without paying. Donated items like this augment the appropriation that funds the Secret Service.
The bigger issue for me is Trump's rank hypocrisy given the grief he gave other presidents about their R&R.
This.
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Crazy as it sounds, it would probably be a violation of appropriations law for the Secret Service to use the carts without paying. Donated items like this augment the appropriation that funds the Secret Service.
The bigger issue for me is Trump's rank hypocrisy given the grief he gave other presidents about their R&R.
Why is that an issue? And what other presidents did he abuse that I didn't abuse?
Unless he abused George W. Bush .... which, of course he did... but I mean about R&R.
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When Asked If Trump Was Concerned With Spending Taxpayer Money at Mar-a-Lago, Spicer Gave an Odd Response
Posted at 3:56 pm on March 29, 2017 by Martin Walsh
White House press secretary Sean Spicer was asked during Wednesday’s briefing whether or not President Trump was concerned about the rising costs associated with his regular trips to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
Fox 5 DC’s Ronica Cleary asked if Trump has “any concerns about the push-back” about those costs and criticisms associated with golfing so much.
“No, he feels great,” Spicer said.
Spicer added that the criticism did not play into the president’s decision to remain in Washington, D.C. last weekend and indicated that Trump plans to remain in town this upcoming weekend.
Since his Inauguration nine weeks ago, Trump has spent five weekends at Mar-a-Lago. Many have chided the president for traveling to play golf so much when he was very critical of Obama for doing the exact same thing during his eight years as president.
Trump and his team were also very vocal during the election when they raised the issue of not having time to golf because there was too much work to get done.
In light of Trump making weekends on the golf course a habit, Democratic lawmakers successfully queried the Government Accountability Office to study the costs, as well as the security and handling of classified information associated with Trump’s stays in Palm Beach.
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http://www.redstate.com/mwalsh8/2017/03/29/when-asked-if-trump-was-concerned-with-spending-taxpayer-money-at-mar-a-lago-spicer-gave-an-odd-response/ (http://www.redstate.com/mwalsh8/2017/03/29/when-asked-if-trump-was-concerned-with-spending-taxpayer-money-at-mar-a-lago-spicer-gave-an-odd-response/)
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When Asked If Trump Was Concerned With Spending Taxpayer Money at Mar-a-Lago, Spicer Gave an Odd Response
Posted at 3:56 pm on March 29, 2017 by Martin Walsh
White House press secretary Sean Spicer was asked during Wednesday’s briefing whether or not President Trump was concerned about the rising costs associated with his regular trips to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
Fox 5 DC’s Ronica Cleary asked if Trump has “any concerns about the push-back” about those costs and criticisms associated with golfing so much.
“No, he feels great,” Spicer said.
Spicer added that the criticism did not play into the president’s decision to remain in Washington, D.C. last weekend and indicated that Trump plans to remain in town this upcoming weekend.
Since his Inauguration nine weeks ago, Trump has spent five weekends at Mar-a-Lago. Many have chided the president for traveling to play golf so much when he was very critical of Obama for doing the exact same thing during his eight years as president.
Trump and his team were also very vocal during the election when they raised the issue of not having time to golf because there was too much work to get done.
In light of Trump making weekends on the golf course a habit, Democratic lawmakers successfully queried the Government Accountability Office to study the costs, as well as the security and handling of classified information associated with Trump’s stays in Palm Beach.
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http://www.redstate.com/mwalsh8/2017/03/29/when-asked-if-trump-was-concerned-with-spending-taxpayer-money-at-mar-a-lago-spicer-gave-an-odd-response/ (http://www.redstate.com/mwalsh8/2017/03/29/when-asked-if-trump-was-concerned-with-spending-taxpayer-money-at-mar-a-lago-spicer-gave-an-odd-response/)
Soooo... Spicer was supposed to say, Trump feels horrible about this and plans to resign soon?
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Soooo... Spicer was supposed to say, Trump feels horrible about this and plans to resign soon?
be still my beating heart @Emjay
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I didn't know or had forgotten about Biden's charging the SS for his guest cottage.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/31/biden-charging-secret-service-cottage-rental/
I think Trump will have to up his game to be more corrupt than that.
Well he is a good friend of Bill and Hillary... :whistle: