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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 05, 2019, 07:47:21 pm
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Trump to sign executive order to lower drug prices
by Kimberly Leonard
| July 05, 2019 02:58 PM
The White House is writing an executive order that would reduce what the U.S. pays for drugs so that it's more in line with the lowest price paid elsewhere in the world, Trump told reporters Friday.
"As you know, for years and years other nations paid less for drugs than we do," Trump said Friday at the White House. "Sometimes by 60-70%. We’re working on it right now, we’re working on a favored nations clause, where we pay whatever the lowest nation’s price is. Why should other nations — like Canada — but why should other nations pay much less than us? They’ve taken advantage of the system for a long time, Pharma."
Trump said the announcement was coming "very shortly" but did not provide other details about how the plan would work. A "favored nations clause" refers to a contract in which a seller gives buyers the same best terms that it offers to other buyers.
Last year, the Department of Health and Human Services proposed an "international drug pricing index" that would help Medicare pay similar rates for drugs as what other countries do.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-lower-drug-prices (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-lower-drug-prices)
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I really don't understand why the overseas prices are lower...I don't care either.
There is no reason that US citizens should not pay the same price. (yes, I'm annoyed over this)
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I really don't understand why the overseas prices are lower...I don't care either.
There is no reason that US citizens should not pay the same price. (yes, I'm annoyed over this)
The way I understand it is because their governments set maximum prices and ours doesn't, leaving Americans to fund R&D and overall production costs.
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I really don't understand why the overseas prices are lower...I don't care either.
There is no reason that US citizens should not pay the same price. (yes, I'm annoyed over this)
I know you said you didn't care, but...
Let's say, after spending a billion or so developing a new drug, a company can produce each pill for $1. Now let's say in the US customers will pay $50 each, but in East Crapistan they won't pay any more than $2. $2 is not $50, but it's still profitable.
It seems unfair, but consider the alternatives. Force the company to sell at the US price everywhere, and people around the world won't buy the drug and US prices go up to make up for the difference. Force the company to sell in the US at the lowest international price, and they don't spend the money to develop it in the first place, so no one gets any.
MR=MC
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Next up an EO forcing US luxury hotels to lower their prices.
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In Heaven wrote:
"It seems unfair, but consider the alternatives..."
You missed an alternative.
How about permitting Americans to order brand name prescriptions (selling for high prices in America) from other countries, where the prices are an order of magnitude lower? Not sure if they can do that now.
It's called "competition".
The current "system" provides little or none.
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Most development costs are incurred because, due to the FDA’s approval process, it takes so damn long to bring a new drug to market. That’s where to be focus should be.
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I've been harping on this for a long time.
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Well if you listen to the commercials most of the drugs can cause serious health problems. Can lead to...……...if you notice any of these symptoms..... You need one drug because you took another that caused your health problem. All of the HBP medicines have all been tied to cancer recently. And all of that leads to the commercials with the lawyers who want to help you be compensated for bad drugs.
That's probably why it takes so long to get through the FDA? At any rate I am sure they get sued.
Like this injury claim coach website:
https://www.injuryclaimcoach.com/drug-lawsuits.html (https://www.injuryclaimcoach.com/drug-lawsuits.html)
They will help you raise the cost of medications.
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Bet that panics a few stock holders in drug companies.
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In Heaven wrote:
"It seems unfair, but consider the alternatives..."
You missed an alternative.
How about permitting Americans to order brand name prescriptions (selling for high prices in America) from other countries, where the prices are an order of magnitude lower? Not sure if they can do that now.
It's called "competition".
The current "system" provides little or none.
Hey, I'm all for allowing Americans to spend their money however they see fit. I like competition. I'm a free traitor.
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Should have gone through Congress
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Should have gone through Congress
Why is that?
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Next up an EO forcing US luxury hotels to lower their prices.
And I will be Russian right there to get a suite deal at Trump Tower.
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Big pharmaceutical companies are just like any other business. All they want to do is make money. They don't care about curing illnesses. All they care about is making money.
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Next up an EO forcing US luxury hotels to lower their prices.
Really want to hear from the Tump contingency on how they think this is a "conservative" action in respect to a capitalistic system.
You know...so many of you think he is the most conservative POTUS since Reagan. /s
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Big pharmaceutical companies are just like any other business. All they want to do is make money. They don't care about curing illnesses. All they care about is making money.
The reason they haven't cured Cancer. They don't want to its a money making business. The reason they changed the blood pressure chart. To make money. People are taking medications they don't even need.
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Why is that?
Cause the Constitution says so.
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The reason they haven't cured Cancer. They don't want to its a money making business. The reason they changed the blood pressure chart. To make money. People are taking medications they don't even need.
The Italians found a cure for most cancers a couple of years ago.
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The reason they haven't cured Cancer. They don't want to its a money making business. The reason they changed the blood pressure chart. To make money. People are taking medications they don't even need.
They actually have cured some cancers, like childhood leukemia. I'm not sure where you get this.
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They actually have cured some cancers, like childhood leukemia. I'm not sure where you get this.
I hadn't heard that. I just looked. The cure rate has gone up but they are not saying there is a cure. Its the same radiation chemotherapy.
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The Italians found a cure for most cancers a couple of years ago.
And if they did we aren't using it in the U.S. There was just something in the news about Israel finding a cure also. Its the same long drawn out therapy and the same 5 year prognosis. That is standard in all cancers. They say remission until you hit 5 years and after 5 years they call it cured.
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The reason they haven't cured Cancer. They don't want to its a money making business. The reason they changed the blood pressure chart. To make money. People are taking medications they don't even need.
Who would want to be the company that cured cancer? That would be horrible for advertising their other products.
If someone is going to find a cure, who would want to be the company that didn't get there first???
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Look at Stanislaw Burzynski.
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Who would want to be the company that cured cancer? That would be horrible for advertising their other products.
If someone is going to find a cure, who would want to be the company that didn't get there first???
I had stage 3 cancer and I rejected chemotherapy. I can't tell you how many scientific studies I have read on natural cures. I have been treating my cancer naturally and so far I am cancer free. Scientist know about these things but Oncologist will not tell you about it. Is a big push for Chemo and Radiation.
https://draxe.com/10-natural-cancer-treatments-hidden-cures/
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Cadherin-22
They found that inhibiting it reduced the spread of brain and breast cancer cells. They said if they could find a way to destroy this protein mask the cure rate would increase. Even in the worst cases.
In a follow-up article I read they did find a way to stop the protein. And guess what? The person's own immune system would then kill the cancer.
Where did this go? Down some rabbit hole.
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@Fishrrman
Technically, it's illegal to buy prescription meds from other countries, but I get a diabetes med from Canada because my insurance won't pay for it and pharmacies here won't even sell it to me at full price. I'm ok as long as some authority here doesn't open the package. The company I buy from sends the drug in an unmarked package, so it doesn't raise suspicions.
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Cadherin-22
They found that inhibiting it reduced the spread of brain and breast cancer cells. They said if they could find a way to destroy this protein mask the cure rate would increase. Even in the worst cases.
In a follow-up article I read they did find a way to stop the protein. And guess what? The person's own immune system would then kill the cancer.
Where did this go? Down some rabbit hole.
But your immune system can't if you kill it with Chemo. And I am not saying that people should not follow Dr. Recommendations. I have known people who have gone through Chemo and are so far cancer free. It is a personal choice and everyone must make their own choices.
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I hadn't heard that. I just looked. The cure rate has gone up but they are not saying there is a cure. Its the same radiation chemotherapy.
That is correct; cancer is not "cured", but we've gotten very close. Go look at the 5 year survival rates for the more common forms of cancer now and 20-30 years ago. Massive progress.
And, remember, there is not one cause of cancer. It appears to be an interaction of some kind of agent and the particular situation of the individual.
It bugs me that people are so willing to say vicious things about those who devote their lives to fighting illness and accuse them of being only profit-driven. That is a very sad misstatement of the actions and motives of those researchers.
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But your immune system can't if you kill it with Chemo.
They are not using Chemo. Whatever they were using pulled the protein mask off the cancer. So it wasn't like doing hard Chemo.
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That is correct; cancer is not "cured", but we've gotten very close. Go look at the 5 year survival rates for the more common forms of cancer now and 20-30 years ago. Massive progress.
And, remember, there is not one cause of cancer. It appears to be an interaction of some kind of agent and the particular situation of the individual.
It bugs me that people are so willing to say vicious things about those who devote their lives to fighting illness and accuse them of being only profit-driven. That is a very sad misstatement of the actions and motives of those researchers.
Well I hear you. But it is also true that the medical community suppresses information about natural cures. And people are getting cured naturally. As I said in the above post it is a personal choice. Because with cancer they always give a 5 year cure rate. They never give any promises just the 5 year data. And they never start with any treatment other than Chemo and or radiation. For instance there is immune therapy but first you must get a port and have chemo pumped through it which kills your immune system.
I have known people who have gone through chemo and are cancer free so far. I also have known people who have gone through chemo only to have the cancer keep spreading to other organs. My own mother and it was a horrible death. That is why I chose not to do chemo.
Why don't these researchers acknowledge natural cures? There are people out there who are winning their fights with cancer naturaly. And there are scientific studies showing how these things inhibit the growth of the cancer.
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They are not using Chemo. Whatever they were using pulled the protein mask off the cancer. So it wasn't like doing hard Chemo.
I was just saying that if you did chemo prior to this it would destroy the immune system.
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That is correct; cancer is not "cured", but we've gotten very close. Go look at the 5 year survival rates for the more common forms of cancer now and 20-30 years ago. Massive progress.
And, remember, there is not one cause of cancer. It appears to be an interaction of some kind of agent and the particular situation of the individual.
It bugs me that people are so willing to say vicious things about those who devote their lives to fighting illness and accuse them of being only profit-driven. That is a very sad misstatement of the actions and motives of those researchers.
I suspect that it isn't the actual researchers that are being questioned by most, but rather those that control the direction and results of their work.
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I was just saying that if you did chemo prior to this it would destroy the immune system.
Sorry. I misunderstood. Even though I have been cured of Hep C, my immune system has not recovered. It most likely will not.
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Sorry. I misunderstood. Even though I have been cured of Hep C, my immune system has not recovered. It most likely will not.
I know someone who went through that. Sorry. I wouldn't give up hope though there are many things which are immune boosting.
Here's a link that talks about post Hep C treatment.
https://www.lifebeyondhepatitisc.com/2018/06/15-steps-to-recovery-from-hepatitis-c-treatment/ (https://www.lifebeyondhepatitisc.com/2018/06/15-steps-to-recovery-from-hepatitis-c-treatment/)
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Should have gone through Congress
The current bad situation exists, due to Congress' inaaction in light of decades of concern.
Big Pharma and Big Med-Insurance lobbyists get good returns, on their contributions to YOUR Congrdd.
IOW like we have seen since Trump ran and won on issues needing Congress' attention, they simply don't get done.
Obamacare repeal-reform, Immigration to mention a couple.
Paul Ryan's job was to see that nothing got done.
BTW Ryan held the Speaker position by way of getting elected by his fellow Congress-critters.
Let the Pharma cos. charge more overseas.
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This is a prime example of be careful what you wish for. The reason other countries pay lower prices, is because their government is the sole entity purchasing. They set the maximum of what they pay and will not purchase certain drugs or treatment plans they do not consider to be cost-effective. IOW - you’re setting the stage for the Death Panels.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-u-s-pays-more-than-other-countries-for-drugs-1448939481 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-u-s-pays-more-than-other-countries-for-drugs-1448939481)
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Well I hear you. But it is also true that the medical community suppresses information about natural cures. And people are getting cured naturally. As I said in the above post it is a personal choice. Because with cancer they always give a 5 year cure rate. They never give any promises just the 5 year data. And they never start with any treatment other than Chemo and or radiation. For instance there is immune therapy but first you must get a port and have chemo pumped through it which kills your immune system.
No, the medical community does not suppress information about "natural cures". Many of our modern medicines, like quinine, aspirin and penicillin were developed directly from "natural" sources. The reason "natural cures" are often discouraged is because they are either untested or when tested show no significant benefit. The curcumin in tumeric does work; shark cartilage and apricot pits do not.
I have known people who have gone through chemo and are cancer free so far. I also have known people who have gone through chemo only to have the cancer keep spreading to other organs. My own mother and it was a horrible death. That is why I chose not to do chemo.
That doesn't make sense. In some circumstances, as you say, chemo works. In others, it does not. I'm sorry about your mother and I agree that dying of cancer can be horrible.
Why don't these researchers acknowledge natural cures? There are people out there who are winning their fights with cancer naturaly. And there are scientific studies showing how these things inhibit the growth of the cancer.
Because it cannot be proven that whatever they are doing is what sent their cancer into remission. Until some good, reproducible, double-blind studies have been conducted, it can't be proven that whatever they did had a positive effect on the cancer. Wishing won't make it so.
And, I wish you all the luck possible with your fight. I've had several so I have a pretty good idea of what you're going through. Oh, and my immune system is fine.
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The medical community practices the scientific method.
The folk medicine community sold alcohol, opium, heroin, cocaine into the 20th century.
One category that was deplatformed on Facebook: miracle cures and treatments.
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No, the medical community does not suppress information about "natural cures". Many of our modern medicines, like quinine, aspirin and penicillin were developed directly from "natural" sources. The reason "natural cures" are often discouraged is because they are either untested or when tested show no significant benefit. The curcumin in tumeric does work; shark cartilage and apricot pits do not.
That doesn't make sense. In some circumstances, as you say, chemo works. In others, it does not. I'm sorry about your mother and I agree that dying of cancer can be horrible.
Because it cannot be proven that whatever they are doing is what sent their cancer into remission. Until some good, reproducible, double-blind studies have been conducted, it can't be proven that whatever they did had a positive effect on the cancer. Wishing won't make it so.
And, I wish you all the luck possible with your fight. I've had several so I have a pretty good idea of what you're going through. Oh, and my immune system is fine.
I use Apricot Kernels, curcumin and tumeric. That is not all that I do, and a healthy lifestyle and diet is key. But there is scientific studies to show that the AMYGDALIN contained in Apricot seeds is effective against tumors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VHaKHRy5tg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VHaKHRy5tg)
I am not going to argue the effectiveness of natural "cures" with you. I have already fought that battle with friends and relatives who were very upset with me that I would dare to not do the chemo therapy. There is no garrantee with either natural or standard chemo/radiation therapies. Furthermore I believe that Nutrician is the key to many diseases. Too bad that people always find pills the answer and don't take any responsibility for taking care of their health. I think many could get off some meds if they made real life changes to their diets and lifestyles.
So, @Sanguine I also am sorry to hear of you Cancer struggles and pray for your health. I have a very good friend who also has been through several and is doing well. He also did the standard medical treatment of chemo. I think he is a miracle just as I believe I am also. However we beat the cancer it is a victory! But I dont judge other people for their choice and hope that they don't judge me either.
Much appreciation for our exchange here. I wish you the very best and pray for continued health for you.
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Follow the money.
Ain't none in making people well.
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Follow the money.
Ain't none in making people well.
That's exactly right. Western "medicine" is focused on treating symptoms.... for as long as possible.
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That's exactly right. Western "medicine" is focused on treating symptoms.... for as long as possible.
And in some fields, creating them wherever possible.
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And in some fields, creating them wherever possible.
Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
It's a travesty what they are doing to school children these days. If they had done that to me I would have been a doped up zombie before the age of 12.
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It's a travesty what they are doing to school children these days. If they had done that to me I would have been a doped up zombie before the age of 12.
Oh hell yeah! I and my buddies lived a very fun and exciting childhood through high school. The stunts and mischief that we pulled would have had us in prison in this day and age. Things that we got punished a bit for when we got caught. Certainly punishment that fit the "crime." Nowadays we would be diagnosed as psychotic and/or sociopathic and drugged up from 3rd grade onward.
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It's a travesty what they are doing to school children these days. If they had done that to me I would have been a doped up zombie before the age of 12.
I agree with that, @Bigun.
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Oh hell yeah! I and my buddies lived a very fun and exciting childhood through high school. The stunts and mischief that we pulled would have had us in prison in this day and age. Things that we got punished a bit for when we got caught. Certainly punishment that fit the "crime." Nowadays we would be diagnosed as psychotic and/or sociopathic and drugged up from 3rd grade onward.
Same here but we did not destroy other peoples property ever!
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And in some fields, creating them wherever possible.
So true. Too often instead of finding out what is causing the health issue, doctors quickly prescribe xyz pill, which causes a side effect and in turn must be treated with yet another prescription drug which causes yet another side effect, and it become a vicious cycle. Big pharma benefits while the patient suffers.
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So true. Too often instead of finding out what is causing the health issue, doctors quickly prescribe xyz pill, which causes a side effect and in turn must be treated with yet another prescription drug which causes yet another side effect, and it become a vicious cycle. Big pharma benefits while the patient suffers.
I actually had my personal Dr. tell me that if he doesn't write enough prescriptions for X,y, and Z they quit giving him samples to distribute.
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Same here but we did not destroy other peoples property ever!
Sadly, I have to plea the 5th on that front...
888mouth
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It's a travesty what they are doing to school children these days. If they had done that to me I would have been a doped up zombie before the age of 12.
Yes and that is because, once a child is 'diagnosed' (through school documentation not medical diagnosis)... parents can get money! So rather than a parent spend time with a child to help him or her with their studies and work on discipline, the lazy parent(s) can blame it on some kind of disorder and get paid for it.
...If your child has been diagnosed with ADHD, or ADD, he or she can qualify for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) disability benefits if the severity of the child's ADHD meets the Social Security Administration's childhood impairment listing for neurodevelopmental disorders....
www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-you-get-disability-benefits-your-child-has-adhd.html (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-you-get-disability-benefits-your-child-has-adhd.html)
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It's a travesty what they are doing to school children these days. If they had done that to me I would have been a doped up zombie before the age of 12.
@Sanguine @EdJames .
We moved around a lot when I was a kid. I was a doped up zombie at 13...self medicated...
One thing I did notice. The worst "crimes" were committed by kids from the "best" families.
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@Sanguine @EdJames .
We moved around a lot when I was a kid. I was a doped up zombie at 13...self medicated...
One thing I did notice. The worst "crimes" were committed by kids from the "best" families.
It never fails @bigheadfred. At least not in the 70+ years I've been around making observations.
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So true. Too often instead of finding out what is causing the health issue, doctors quickly prescribe xyz pill, which causes a side effect and in turn must be treated with yet another prescription drug which causes yet another side effect, and it become a vicious cycle. Big pharma benefits while the patient suffers.
You have that exactly right.
First I saw it as my parents and their contemporaries aged.
Then I began to see it as I and my contemporaries aged.
Personally had a couple of bad experiences with prescribed meds. Saw almost all of my friends and family members stuck on the multiple prescriptions and weekly doctor visits bandwagons... as we approached our late 50s and early 60s... (And I am not talking about 2 or 3 meds, most guys I knew at the time were already at 10+ prescriptions daily.)
Then they passed the ACA. (Only the blind couldn't see what was coming.)
At that point in my life I said that I am getting off of this train. Never saw a doctor or had a prescription since.
Eat a healthy diet, get regular exercise, and take some supplements.
I don't plan on getting back on the train, ever.
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Sadly, I have to plea the 5th on that front...
888mouth
LOL! I wasn't nearly as afraid of the law as I was my WWII South Pacific Marine father! He would have killed me dead!
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You have that exactly right.
First I saw it as my parents and their contemporaries aged.
Then I began to see it as I and my contemporaries aged.
Personally had a couple of bad experiences with prescribed meds. Saw almost all of my friends and family members stuck on the multiple prescriptions and weekly doctor visits bandwagons... as we approached our late 50s and early 60s... (And I am not talking about 2 or 3 meds, most guys I knew at the time were already at 10+ prescriptions daily.)
Then they passed the ACA. (Only the blind couldn't see what was coming.)
At that point in my life I said that I am getting off of this train. Never saw a doctor or had a prescription since.
Eat a healthy diet, get regular exercise, and take some supplements.
I don't plan on getting back on the train, ever.
I currently Take medications for a hereditary medical issue. Nothing I else I can do but believe me I wish there was!
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I currently Take medications for a hereditary medical issue. Nothing I else I can do but believe me I wish there was!
Yeah. I take blood pressure meds just like everyone on my dad's side of the family. And Warfarin for clotting. The doc thinks that one will be permanent, too.
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Like many old farts, getting up in the middle of the night and turn on the TV.
The targeted demographic for all advertising.
Copper infused back braces, walking canes that stand vertical alone, and prescription medication.
Good damned thing they mention all the side effects, for WTF would take them if "...fatal bleeding can occur", etc.? :laugh:
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Oh hell yeah! I and my buddies lived a very fun and exciting childhood through high school. The stunts and mischief that we pulled would have had us in prison in this day and age. Things that we got punished a bit for when we got caught. Certainly punishment that fit the "crime." Nowadays we would be diagnosed as psychotic and/or sociopathic and drugged up from 3rd grade onward.
(https://metvcdn.metv.com/JNodx-1457105310-2261-list_items-no_helmet.jpg)
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I currently Take medications for a hereditary medical issue. Nothing I else I can do but believe me I wish there was!
You have to do what you have to do.... believe me, I consider it a blessing from God above that I am able to stay off of that train...
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(https://metvcdn.metv.com/JNodx-1457105310-2261-list_items-no_helmet.jpg)
We had ramps like that!
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Like many old farts, getting up in the middle of the night and turn on the TV.
The targeted demographic for all advertising.
Copper infused back braces, walking canes that stand vertical alone, and prescription medication.
Good damned thing they mention all the side effects, for WTF would take them if "...fatal bleeding can occur", etc.? :laugh:
exactly.
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You have that exactly right.
First I saw it as my parents and their contemporaries aged.
Then I began to see it as I and my contemporaries aged.
Personally had a couple of bad experiences with prescribed meds. Saw almost all of my friends and family members stuck on the multiple prescriptions and weekly doctor visits bandwagons... as we approached our late 50s and early 60s... (And I am not talking about 2 or 3 meds, most guys I knew at the time were already at 10+ prescriptions daily.)
Then they passed the ACA. (Only the blind couldn't see what was coming.)
At that point in my life I said that I am getting off of this train. Never saw a doctor or had a prescription since.
Eat a healthy diet, get regular exercise, and take some supplements.
I don't plan on getting back on the train, ever.
That's how I am too.
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I currently Take medications for a hereditary medical issue. Nothing I else I can do but believe me I wish there was!
Some times it is necessary.
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Good damned thing they mention all the side effects, for WTF would take them if "...fatal bleeding can occur", etc.? :laugh:
My favorites are the ads for antidepressants which say a patient could experience "suicidal thoughts or actions."
Uh.. what good is a drug for depression that could make you suicidal? *****rollingeyes*****
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My favorites are the ads for antidepressants which say a patient could experience "suicidal thoughts or actions."
Uh.. what good is a drug for depression that could make you suicidal? *****rollingeyes*****
Paradoxical reactions occur in many types of medications.
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The current bad situation exists, due to Congress' inaaction in light of decades of concern.
Big Pharma and Big Med-Insurance lobbyists get good returns, on their contributions to YOUR Congrdd.
IOW like we have seen since Trump ran and won on issues needing Congress' attention, they simply don't get done.
Obamacare repeal-reform, Immigration to mention a couple.
Paul Ryan's job was to see that nothing got done.
BTW Ryan held the Speaker position by way of getting elected by his fellow Congress-critters.
Let the Pharma cos. charge more overseas.
The old blame game.
I don't give a s**t who is Speaker of the House. He should have gone through Congress.. Have you read the Constitution?
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I've read it. Paradoxical reactions occur in many types...
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I've read it. Paradoxical reactions occur in many types...
888high58888
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If anyone cares to look the dems actually introduced sweeping reforms early this year. So it did go through congress. Except it didn't go through congress.
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The Drugging of the American Boy
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/?fbclid=IwAR3IRfywA-y_5NTMK5XnnDpoDwuTXzMMDFcSKkgLbM15ufhA65lIlwJSjW0 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/?fbclid=IwAR3IRfywA-y_5NTMK5XnnDpoDwuTXzMMDFcSKkgLbM15ufhA65lIlwJSjW0)
@EdJames @Sanguine @corbe @bigheadfred
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The Drugging of the American Boy
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/?fbclid=IwAR3IRfywA-y_5NTMK5XnnDpoDwuTXzMMDFcSKkgLbM15ufhA65lIlwJSjW0 (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/?fbclid=IwAR3IRfywA-y_5NTMK5XnnDpoDwuTXzMMDFcSKkgLbM15ufhA65lIlwJSjW0)
@EdJames @Sanguine @corbe @bigheadfred
I agree that this is a serious problem. Been there, seen that and resisted that on a family level. However, it is a long, long way from "western medicine bad" and "medical researchers don't want to cure diseases, they just want to screw you over".
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I agree that this is a serious problem. Been there, seen that and resisted that on a family level. However, it is a long, long way from "western medicine bad" and "medical researchers don't want to cure diseases, they just want to screw you over".
Not in my family but close.
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The Drugging of the American Boy
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/?fbclid=IwAR3IRfywA-y_5NTMK5XnnDpoDwuTXzMMDFcSKkgLbM15ufhA65lIlwJSjW0 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/?fbclid=IwAR3IRfywA-y_5NTMK5XnnDpoDwuTXzMMDFcSKkgLbM15ufhA65lIlwJSjW0)
@EdJames @Sanguine @corbe @bigheadfred
Thanks, open in a tab, long article, will read later!
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Really want to hear from the Tump contingency on how they think this is a "conservative" action in respect to a capitalistic system.
You know...so many of you think he is the most conservative POTUS since Reagan. /s
You don't understand modern conservatism. Taxes and welfare handouts are liberal. Tariffs and farm subsidies are conservative.