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Title: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: mountaineer on November 20, 2014, 06:19:44 pm
Major Dem Fundraiser Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Human Rights Campaign founder arrested after six-month investigation
11.20.2014
Truth Revolt (http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/major-dem-fundraiser-arrested-charges-sex-abuse-minor)
Bradford Thomas
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A national “power player” for the Democratic party and the gay rights movement was arrested Wednesday on charges of sex abuse of a minor.

Terry Bean, a Portland-based fundraiser for Democratic causes, is being charged with sex abuse and two counts of sodomy involving a 15-year-old boy. Bean’s attorney claims that his client is the victim of an “extortion ring” and expressed full confidence that his name would be cleared.

The Willamette Week reports that law enforcement sources say Bean, 66, will be charged with two counts of sodomy in the third degree (a felony) and sex abuse in the third degree (a misdemeanor). The arrest followed a six-month investigation concerning a concealed video camera over Bean’s bed that accuser Kiah Lawson says was used to illegally film him and at least half a dozen other men “in a state of nudity engaged in intimate acts with [Bean].”

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As WW reported in June, Bean accused a former lover, Kiah Lawson, of attempting to extort him over the discovery of a hidden camera. In the spring, Bean sought to keep the allegations secret and tried to reach a $40,000 settlement with Lawson.

After WW began asking questions, Bean went to the police asking them to investigate his allegations. Bean also handed over to police what he said was evidence of additional illegal activity by Lawson and others.
Bean’s attorney, Kristen Winemiller, denied that the camera was used for illegal or improper purposes, claiming that he installed it because he’d been the victim of theft. Winemiller initially accused Lawson of attempting to extort Bean; however, the investigation eventually turned against Bean leading to his arrest this week.

In a written response to the arrest, Winemiller maintained that her client will be exonerated:
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"Terry Bean is a highly respected community leader who has devoted his life to bettering our community. Over the course of several months in 2013‐2014 Terry was the victim of an extortion ring led by several men known to law enforcement. This current arrest is connected to the ongoing investigation of that case in which Mr. Bean has fully cooperated. No allegations against Terry Bean should be taken at face value. We look forward to the opportunity to clear his name."

Bean, a millionaire real estate developer, has been a major fundraiser for liberal political causes, particularly gay rights. He founded the leading gay rights organization, the Human Rights Campaign, personally donating over $1 million to the cause.

He has also been instrumental to the Democratic Party. As the Willamette Week reports, in 2009 Obama called Bean a “great friend and supporter” and is hosted by Bean every time he visits Oregon:   
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No Oregonian has raised more money for President Barack Obama. At a 2009 Human Rights Campaign dinner, Obama called Bean a “great friend and supporter.” The president in 2012 hosted Bean on Air Force One, and when Obama visits Oregon, Bean has had the honor of greeting him as the president gets off his plane.

Bean will be arraigned later in Lane County, where the crimes allegedly occurred last year.
(http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/content_full_width/public/field/image/articles/bean_and_obama.jpg?itok=cSOlcIDU)
Hey, Terry, how 'bout you 'n' me, later ... ?

Sorry, Barry, you're too old for me.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: olde north church on November 20, 2014, 06:22:14 pm
He looks like a pickle chugging, fudge packer
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: mountaineer on November 20, 2014, 06:26:58 pm
Terry Bean is a highly respected community leader who has devoted his life to bettering our community  ... and screwing little boys. But I digress.
Title: Gay Founder of Human Rights Campaign Arrested for Raping a 15-year old Boy
Post by: rangerrebew on November 22, 2014, 11:56:28 am

Gay Founder of Human Rights Campaign Arrested for Raping a 15-year old Boy

By Matt Barber   / 21 November 2014   / 199 Comments   
 
 
Yet another high profile "gay" activist has been arrested for homosexual assault on a child. This time authorities caught one of the big fish (a rainbow trout?): Terrence Patrick Bean founded the "Human Rights Campaign" (HRC), which is one of the world's largest, wealthiest and most powerful anti-Christian organizations. HRC was developed for the sole purpose of pushing the extremist homosexual political agenda. Bean is also a major player for the DNC and a big Obama supporter.

The Oregonian reports:

Detectives from the Portland police Sex Crimes Unit arrested Portland developer Terrence Patrick Bean on Wednesday on a Lane County indictment stemming from alleged sex abuse involving a teenage boy in 2013.


Bean, 66, a prominent gay rights activist and major Democratic Party fundraiser, was arrested at his home in Southwest Portland and booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center at 10:12 a.m.


The indictment charges Bean with two counts of third-degree sodomy, a felony, and one count of third-degree sex abuse, a misdemeanor, police said.


Bean, who bailed out of jail by late Wednesday afternoon, will be arraigned on the indictment in Lane County. …


The alleged incident involved a sexual encounter in Eugene with a 15-year-old boy. …


terrence patrick beanBean has been one of the state's biggest Democratic donors and an influential figure in gay rights circles in the state. He helped found two major national political groups, the Human Rights Campaign and the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, and has been a major contributor for several Democratic presidential candidates, including Barack Obama. He's also a close friend of former Gov. Barbara Roberts. …


Bean's Flickr account shows him talking with Obama at several events, posing with first lady Michelle Obama and numerous other political figures, including former President Bill Clinton.  A blog post from his sister, Sue Surdam Bean, detailed her brother's work on a July 24, 2012 Obama fundraiser in Portland.  She included three photos of Terry Bean's ride on Air Force One with Obama to a subsequent event in Seattle.


Just two years ago 68 year old Harry Brinkin, another high profile and similarly respected (at least among Democrats) homosexual activist, was arrested in San Francisco for possessing and distributing reams of child pornography.

CNS News Reported at the time:

Police said that Brinkin, a former city employee, apparently had photos of children, as young as 1- or  2-years-old, performing sexual acts and being sodomized by adult men in attachments linked to the email address, reported The Chronicle. The email account was also linked to Yahoo discussion groups involving sexual exploitation of young people.


Concerning Brinkin, Theresa Sparks, director of the Human Rights Commission, told the Huffington Post, "It's almost incredulous, there's no way I could believe such a thing."


"He's always been one of my heroes, and he's the epitome of human rights activist," she said. "This is [the] man who coined phrases we use in our daily language. I support Larry 100 percent; hopefully it will all come out in the investigation."

 

Brinkin later plead guilty to the charges.

Yep – These monsters are "heroes" to the HRC and the larger "gay" activist community.

Ever wonder why?

The cases of Bean and Brinkin follow a long-established pattern as old as the ancient Greek bathhouse. Of course, not every "gay" man – self-identified or otherwise – is a pedophile, but studies indicate demonstrably that homosexual assaults against boys occur at an alarmingly disproportionate rate when compared to heterosexual assaults. The very act of a man molesting a boy unquestionably involves both same-sex attraction and homosexual behavior (a "gay" by any other name…).

Consider, for instance, a study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, of over 200 convicted pedophiles. It found that "86 percent of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual." This demonstrates, as noted by Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council, that "homosexual or bisexual men are approximately 10 times more likely to molest children than heterosexual men."

But don't repeat these facts out loud or you might find yourself on the hard-left Southern Poverty Law Center's (SPLC) "hate group" smear list.

Let the HRC damage control begin…

Source

UPDATE: Bean's fellow sodomite Kiah Loy Lawson has also been arrested and charged as well. KOIN 6 reports:

 

 
Law enforcement sources confirm Kiah Loy Lawson, 25, was booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center Thursday morning after being taken into custody by detectives with the Portland Police Bureau's Sex Crimes Unit.


A Lane County grand jury issued a secret indictment and warrant for Lawson's arrest.


The indictment lists two counts of third-degree sodomy and one count of third-degree sexual abuse. If Lawson is able to post bail, he will be released and will be given a court date to appear in Lane County to be arraigned. If he is not able to post bail, he will be transported to Lane County by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.
from Freedom Outpost

Read more at http://eaglerising.com/11676/gay-founder-human-rights-campaign-found-guilty-raping-15-year-old-boy/#q4eRdxtTW36hHIOF.99
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: mountaineer on November 22, 2014, 06:09:48 pm
More:
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Obama fundraiser accused of sex with minor
By Geoff Earle
NY Post (http://nypost.com/2014/11/22/major-obama-fundraiser-allegedly-had-sex-with-a-minor/)
November 22, 2014 | 3:44am

WASHINGTON — He’s a mega bundler for President Obama. He’s been on Air Force One. He’s shared a Christmas visit with Michelle Obama at the White House. And now he’s being accused of sex with a minor.

Terry Bean, 66, a gay activist and major Democratic fund-raiser, was arrested Wednesday in Portland, Ore., for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old boy.

Bean’s ex-boyfriend, Kiah Lawson, 25, was arrested Thursday in connection with the same incident.

The arrests follow an angry breakup between the couple, where Bean accused his former boyfriend of extortion after Lawson gained access to hidden video images from Bean’s bedroom.

Authorities said the duo found the 15-year-old online and had a sexual encounter with him in an Oregon hotel in 2013.

Bean, who raised more than $500,000 for Obama’s campaign in 2012, is charged with third-degree sodomy and third-degree sexual abuse in the sexual encounter.

Bean’s Flickr account shows him at several events with Obama and other political figures, including former President Bill Clinton. He’s also been photographed with Obama on Air Force One and with Michelle Obama during a Christmas event at the White House in 2012.

Records show Lawson has prior arrests and has pleaded guilty to theft and misdemeanor assault.

Snapshots chronicle the couple’s trips to Democratic fund-raising events and on a White House tour.

Bean’s lawyer charged that her client was being extorted.

“Over the course of several months in 2013-2014, Terry was the victim of an extortion ring led by several men known to law enforcement,” attorney Kristen Winemiller said in a statement. “This current arrest is connected to the ongoing investigation of that case in which Mr. Bean has fully cooperated.

“No allegations against Terry Bean should be taken at face value. We look forward to the opportunity to clear his name.”

Bean is a founder of the ­Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay-rights group.

The Willamette Week, a Portland-area newspaper, reported in June that after Lawson discovered a camera hidden in a smoke detector over Bean’s bed, he sought money from Bean, claiming the camera recorded videos “of at least a half dozen individuals in a state of nudity engaged in intimate acts with you.”

Bean attempted to settle the matter for $40,000, the paper ­reported.

Speaking at a major fund-raiser in Portland, Obama singled out Bean. “I want to thank somebody who put so much work into this event — Terry Bean! Give Terry a big round of applause,” he said.
That he may have been extorted over the crime doesn't mean he didn't commit it.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Atomic Cow on November 22, 2014, 06:47:09 pm
Resume enhancer since he's a Democrat.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: rangerrebew on November 22, 2014, 09:32:02 pm
I wasn't aware Obama left laws in place that made sex crimes illegal for gays. :whistle:
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 22, 2014, 11:25:42 pm
Terry Bean is a highly respected community leader who has devoted his life to bettering our community  ... and screwing little boys. But I digress.

So where are all the people who were telling us that gays are no more likely to molest boys than you or me and all they want to do is 'get married'?


Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 23, 2014, 01:51:07 am
So where are all the people who were telling us that gays are no more likely to molest boys than you or me and all they want to do is 'get married'?


I don't know, but it would seem to make sense that someone who molests or otherwise commits sex crimes against juvenile males would have some homosexual tendencies.

However, since 82% of children molested or otherwise victims of sex crimes are females, what does that say about heterosexuals?
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Oceander on November 23, 2014, 03:21:58 am

I don't know, but it would seem to make sense that someone who molests or otherwise commits sex crimes against juvenile males would have some homosexual tendencies.

However, since 82% of children molested or otherwise victims of sex crimes are females, what does that say about heterosexuals?

Thank you for making the point.  What this individual did is terrible, but tarring and feathering millions of other people with some one individual's crimes is something I thought only liberals do; it ill becomes conservatives.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 23, 2014, 09:55:39 pm

I don't know, but it would seem to make sense that someone who molests or otherwise commits sex crimes against juvenile males would have some homosexual tendencies.

However, since 82% of children molested or otherwise victims of sex crimes are females, what does that say about heterosexuals?

So 18% of molestations are committed by 3% of the population while the remainder are committed by 47% and you think that shows that homosexuals are less likely to molest?

I was wondering when the homosexual apologists were going to show up...


Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Atomic Cow on November 23, 2014, 10:13:47 pm
So 18% of molestations are committed by 3% of the population while the remainder are committed by 47% and you think that shows that homosexuals are less likely to molest?

I was wondering when the homosexual apologists were going to show up...

They are 1.6% of the population, if that, according to the CDC, currently every liberal's favorite organization.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: olde north church on November 23, 2014, 10:54:17 pm
So 18% of molestations are committed by 3% of the population while the remainder are committed by 47% and you think that shows that homosexuals are less likely to molest?

I was wondering when the homosexual apologists were going to show up...

You are presuming it is only heterosexual men who are commiting the crimes against girls.  Could be women.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 23, 2014, 10:58:49 pm
So 18% of molestations are committed by 3% of the population while the remainder are committed by 47% and you think that shows that homosexuals are less likely to molest?

I was wondering when the homosexual apologists were going to show up...

I never said that Dan.  But when 82% of sexual assault on minors involve female victims, doesn't that also say something about heterosexuals, assuming you like to generalize. 

Actually I'm also referred to as an apologist for extremist right wing nutjobs...simply because I post here. 
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 23, 2014, 10:59:39 pm
You are presuming it is only heterosexual men who are commiting the crimes against girls.  Could be women.

96% are males.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: mountaineer on November 23, 2014, 11:08:54 pm
Where are these statistics coming from?

89% of right-handed cake decorators agree with me that 23% of all internet posts are at least 38.5% lacking in evidentiary support.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 23, 2014, 11:40:53 pm
Where are these statistics coming from?

89% of right-handed cake decorators agree with me that 23% of all internet posts are at least 38.5% lacking in evidentiary support.

Look up pedophile and child molester statistics.  Anyone who molests or otherwise commits a sex crime with a minor deserves whatever the state can throw at them, whether the victims be male or female.  But the fact remains that most victims are female.  And most perps are in a position of power, whether it be a teacher, a doctor, a parent, a priest or other such denominational leader, a scout leader, etc.  A predilection toward children has little to do with the sexual preference of the perp.  It has a lot to do with power and a friggin warped mind.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: sinkspur on November 24, 2014, 12:18:56 am
All other things aside, if this guy had been a major GOP donor, you can bet this would have made the nightly news on every MSM outlet and MSNBC would be blaring it every hour.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 24, 2014, 12:40:09 am
All other things aside, if this guy had been a major GOP donor, you can bet this would have made the nightly news on every MSM outlet and MSNBC would be blaring it every hour.

Yep.  Politics seems to overshadow everything.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Oceander on November 24, 2014, 02:02:12 am
I never said that Dan.  But when 82% of sexual assault on minors involve female victims, doesn't that also say something about heterosexuals, assuming you like to generalize. 

Actually I'm also referred to as an apologist for extremist right wing nutjobs...simply because I post here. 

It's a good thing you have nothing to apologize for!!
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 24, 2014, 02:40:22 am
It's a good thing you have nothing to apologize for!!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: mountaineer on November 24, 2014, 01:13:57 pm
All other things aside, if this guy had been a major GOP donor, you can bet this would have made the nightly news on every MSM outlet and MSNBC would be blaring it every hour.
Of course!
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: musiclady on November 24, 2014, 03:11:27 pm
Where are these statistics coming from?

89% of right-handed cake decorators agree with me that 23% of all internet posts are at least 38.5% lacking in evidentiary support.

 I LOVE this post!!   :beer:
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: musiclady on November 24, 2014, 03:13:25 pm
All other things aside, if this guy had been a major GOP donor, you can bet this would have made the nightly news on every MSM outlet and MSNBC would be blaring it every hour.

That's the bottom line here.

And every single Republican would have been implicated in the broad brush of the 'news' stories.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Bigun on November 24, 2014, 03:25:59 pm
That's the bottom line here.

And every single Republican would have been implicated in the broad brush of the 'news' stories.

Absolutely!
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 25, 2014, 12:58:00 am
I never said that Dan.  But when 82% of sexual assault on minors involve female victims, doesn't that also say something about heterosexuals, assuming you like to generalize. 

Actually I'm also referred to as an apologist for extremist right wing nutjobs...simply because I post here.

Here's a good summary of the pros and cons (http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000030)

As we can see, the statistics are skewed in favor of the homosexuals because those who claim that male homosexuals do not disproportionately molest boys do so by re-defining those who do molest boys as 'not gay'.

How conveeenient...

"Those who control the definition of the terms control the outcome of the argument..."




Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 26, 2014, 02:11:45 pm
Here's a good summary of the pros and cons (http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000030)

As we can see, the statistics are skewed in favor of the homosexuals because those who claim that male homosexuals do not disproportionately molest boys do so by re-defining those who do molest boys as 'not gay'.

How conveeenient...

"Those who control the definition of the terms control the outcome of the argument..."

Sorry I didn't respond earlier.  Guess we've all been on the Ferguson thing.  Anyway, that was an interesting link.  Some of those stats on your side seem a little off as that 30% just isn't so (in spite of Penn State).  But having said that, where do you put the married men who molest their male children as well as their female children and step-children?  Does this mean that the percentage of gays/bi's in the population is much higher?

In any case, child molestation of any kind cannot be tolerated in a civil society.  Religious efforts would be better spent in pushing for tougher prosecution of these cases and in education than in condemning an entire subset of the population.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 26, 2014, 02:17:39 pm
Sorry I didn't respond earlier.  Guess we've all been on the Ferguson thing.  Anyway, that was an interesting link.  Some of those stats on your side seem a little off as that 30% just isn't so (in spite of Penn State).  But having said that, where do you put the married men who molest their male children as well as their female children and step-children?  Does this mean that the percentage of gays/bi's in the population is much higher?

In any case, child molestation of any kind cannot be tolerated in a civil society.  Religious efforts would be better spent in pushing for tougher prosecution of these cases and in education than in condemning an entire subset of the population.

What it means is that the studies that say that gays don't molest at higher rates are flawed because gays who molest are defined as straight when it suits a political purpose. 

Redefinition like that raises the level of straight molestation and reduces the level of gay molestation...



Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 26, 2014, 10:36:06 pm
What it means is that the studies that say that gays don't molest at higher rates are flawed because gays who molest are defined as straight when it suits a political purpose. 

Redefinition like that raises the level of straight molestation and reduces the level of gay molestation...

If I understand you correctly Dan, you're saying that the homosexual population is understated?  If so, and I would agree that a lot of people with such tendencies might not want to self-identify, your population would be higher, thus decreasing the gay/pedophile ratio.  One of the logic errors we all tend to make is to mistakenly show a cause and effect relationship when it may not exist.  I do see that (IMHO) with the whole global warming theory. 
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Scottftlc on November 26, 2014, 10:49:56 pm
I'd like to know how you could be a "major" Dem fundraiser without being a freak.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 26, 2014, 10:53:13 pm
If I understand you correctly Dan, you're saying that the homosexual population is understated?  If so, and I would agree that a lot of people with such tendencies might not want to self-identify, your population would be higher, thus decreasing the gay/pedophile ratio.  One of the logic errors we all tend to make is to mistakenly show a cause and effect relationship when it may not exist.  I do see that (IMHO) with the whole global warming theory.

What I'm saying is that the studies that say that gays don't molest at higher rates are flawed because gays who molest are defined as straight when it suits a political purpose.

Redefinition like that raises the level of straight molestation and reduces the level of gay molestation...
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 26, 2014, 11:41:39 pm
What I'm saying is that the studies that say that gays don't molest at higher rates are flawed because gays who molest are defined as straight when it suits a political purpose.

Redefinition like that raises the level of straight molestation and reduces the level of gay molestation...

Let me ask you this Dan.  Do you believe that the gay and bisexual population is understated because many won't self-identify?
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 26, 2014, 11:52:06 pm
Let me ask you this Dan.  Do you believe that the gay and bisexual population is understated because many won't self-identify?

Clearly the research saying that gays don't molest at higher rates than straights is bogus because homosexual orientation is re-defined based on 'self-identification'.

Trying to overstate the gay population to imply that gays don't molest at higher rates than straights is bogus as well...


Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 27, 2014, 01:20:35 am
Clearly the research saying that gays don't molest at higher rates than straights is bogus because homosexual orientation is re-defined based on 'self-identification'.

Trying to overstate the gay population to imply that gays don't molest at higher rates than straights is bogus as well...

I'm not sure what you're arguing.  We both appear to believe that "self-identified" understates the homosexual population since there are probably a lot who won't admit it for various reasons.  If the number of victims is constant, then the more homosexuals there are, the lower the pedophile rate is for that group and the higher it is for the heterosexual group that is overstated.

It's obvious from the numbers of victims of both sexes that pedophiles exist in both groups. 
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 27, 2014, 04:09:08 pm
I'm not sure what you're arguing.  We both appear to believe that "self-identified" understates the homosexual population since there are probably a lot who won't admit it for various reasons.  If the number of victims is constant, then the more homosexuals there are, the lower the pedophile rate is for that group and the higher it is for the heterosexual group that is overstated.

It's obvious from the numbers of victims of both sexes that pedophiles exist in both groups.

Except the studies being cited defined the terms in a manner that reduced the number of homosexuals even when the attack was homosexual.

Homosexual apologists use both methods in attempts to reduce the perceived threat from homosexuals.  Redefining attackers as 'not-gay' and attempting to increase the rate of homosexuality in the general population...


Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 27, 2014, 06:22:05 pm
Except the studies being cited defined the terms in a manner that reduced the number of homosexuals even when the attack was homosexual.

Homosexual apologists use both methods in attempts to reduce the perceived threat from homosexuals.  Redefining attackers as 'not-gay' and attempting to increase the rate of homosexuality in the general population...

Dan I believe even you agreed earlier that there are more gays/bi's in the population than just the self-identified group.

But looking at the self-identified group, there are a reported 8 million in the US.  The DOJ states that in 2012 there were a reported 62,939 cases of child sexual abuse, 82% of which were females.  That leaves 18% or approximately 11 thousand males who were sexually abused.  If all of them were abused from just the self-identified group that would be a rate of about one-tenth of one percent.  If of course the population of gays/bi's is actually higher, then the rate would be even lower.

I can't argue whether the gay gene predisposes an attraction for children.  But I can argue that most sexual abuses come from heterosexuals which would challenge that assertion. 

As for whether those who would argue with your thesis are "gay apologists", I would say that when the left claims that gun owners are responsible for gun crimes or that Christians are responsible for attacks on abortion clinics, or the population of people who drink are responsible for drunk driving, I guess I like to challenge such assertions.  People on both sides of the aisle tend to hold an entire group responsible for the wrongdoings of a tiny fraction of the population.

Again, make no mistake.  Child sexual abuse regardless of who commits it should be vigorously prosecuted to the highest degree possible.  Focusing on one segment of the population in a generalization tends to take the emphasis off of teachers, various youth leaders, doctors, priests, ministers, and family members (a large part of the perpetrators).  Education is important, and should emphasize real threats based on language, unwanted touching, other body language, and most importantly that these advances can and more often than not do come from those we may know well.  Hopefully we've advanced over the old "Don't talk to strangers" caution as the main threat a child can face.

Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: GourmetDan on November 28, 2014, 12:04:14 am
Focusing on one segment of the population in a generalization tends to take the emphasis off of teachers, various youth leaders, doctors, priests, ministers, and family members (a large part of the perpetrators).  Education is important, and should emphasize real threats based on language, unwanted touching, other body language, and most importantly that these advances can and more often than not do come from those we may know well.  Hopefully we've advanced over the old "Don't talk to strangers" caution as the main threat a child can face.

Homosexual apologists will attempt to divert the conversation into *any* discussion other than the fact that gays molest young boys at much higher rates.  That fact and that conversation must be avoided at all costs in the apologist's mind.

Studies are presented in which special definitions are used to reduce the level of gay molestation and increase the level of straight molestation so that reality can be obscured.

Posters will make concerted efforts to equate homosexuals with teachers, various youth leaders, doctors, priests, ministers, and family members while maintaining that molestation is indefensible.

Equating groups at high risk for molestation with groups at low risk for molestation is what is indefensible...

Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 28, 2014, 02:25:09 am
Homosexual apologists will attempt to divert the conversation into *any* discussion other than the fact that gays molest young boys at much higher rates.  That fact and that conversation must be avoided at all costs in the apologist's mind.

Studies are presented in which special definitions are used to reduce the level of gay molestation and increase the level of straight molestation so that reality can be obscured.

Posters will make concerted efforts to equate homosexuals with teachers, various youth leaders, doctors, priests, ministers, and family members while maintaining that molestation is indefensible.

Equating groups at high risk for molestation with groups at low risk for molestation is what is indefensible...

Sigh...I'm just an indefensible kind of guy who would rather attack the problem than find a scapegoat population group. 

So what do we do Dan, round up all 8 million of the self-identified homosexuals and bisexuals while conducting detailed investigations into those who haven't self-identified, and put them all into retraining camps until they get rid of their homosexuality?  Other than stereotyping, what is your solution?  We apparently don't want them to be allowed to engage in monogamous relationships what with AIDs and all.  What do you want to do with the 99.9% who haven't molested anyone?
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: Oceander on November 29, 2014, 03:55:33 am
Sigh...I'm just an indefensible kind of guy who would rather attack the problem than find a scapegoat population group. 

So what do we do Dan, round up all 8 million of the self-identified homosexuals and bisexuals while conducting detailed investigations into those who haven't self-identified, and put them all into retraining camps until they get rid of their homosexuality?  Other than stereotyping, what is your solution?  We apparently don't want them to be allowed to engage in monogamous relationships what with AIDs and all.  What do you want to do with the 99.9% who haven't molested anyone?


I see you've introduced your forehead to the brick wall.
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 29, 2014, 01:17:03 pm

I see you've introduced your forehead to the brick wall.

Heh...yeah I guess you could put it that way.  10294
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: mountaineer on November 29, 2014, 01:57:12 pm
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So what do we do Dan, round up all 8 million of the self-identified homosexuals and bisexuals while conducting detailed investigations into those who haven't self-identified, and put them all into retraining camps until they get rid of their homosexuality?
Yeah, that's what he said.  :nono:
Title: Re: Major Dem Fundraiser Terry Bean Arrested On Charges Of Sex Abuse Of A Minor
Post by: MACVSOG68 on November 29, 2014, 02:43:26 pm
Yeah, that's what he said.  :nono:

Unfortunately he wouldn't come up with a "solution".  I tossed that out to see if that's what he wanted to do, since according to his theory, something has to be done.  I really want to know what is to be done with those 8 million+ Dan believes are prone to engaging in child molestation.  Shouldn't we remove them from society?